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Shiver
10-15-2007, 11:31 PM
Super Bowl XLII Analysis

Oh wait… This wasn’t the Super Bowl? My bad, after watching ESPN, Fox Sports, NFL Network, etc., I was sure that this was in fact the game to end all games. In the end the Patriots show just how great they are and they show that the Cowboys are good, but not great. The Patriots exposed the Cowboys secondary that has been unchallenged since week 1. They didn’t even try to establish a running game; they spread them out and got their receivers matched up on the Cowboys nickel and dime corners and safeties. Just like last year after the Saints’ game, expect teams to follow suite and attack the Cowboys in a similar manner. At least for the Cowboys Romo played a lot better. Tom Brady is not just on pace to get the TD record, but get it easily. While I think the cold weather and tough pass defenses on the horizon will slow him down, I think he’ll win NFL M.V.P by a landslide margin. At least a few of my predictions did well…

Adrian Peterson Is an Unnatural Force

Collarbone, upright running style, injury prone, etc., we all heard a lot of fluff and conjecture leading up the 2007 NFL Draft. In the end, the Minnesota Vikings would like to thank everyone for spreading so much inane banter. I’ve been saying it as long as I have been here: Adrian Peterson is the best RB I have ever seen with my own eyes. He has it all; size, speed, power, agility, acceleration, vision. In Minnesota he’s looking even better than he was at Oklahoma. How many people thought he would be making plays as a return specialist and as a receiver out of the backfield like he has? It isn’t as if he tore up a bad defense. I know Chicago is not as good as they have been, but they still have guys like Tommie Harris, Lance Briggs, and Brian Urlacher. He is right behind Eric Dickerson’s rookie pace (he finished with 1,808 yards) and has 31 less carries at the same time. Adrian Peterson was oft-compared to Eric Dickerson and right now he’s living up to that legendary comparison.

My Redskins’ Choked

The Redskins should have won the game; however, there are times when some teams lose despite out-playing their opponents. The Redskins dropped a plethora of passes (including one that is directly responsible for a “Campbell INT”) and Jason Campbell still had a nice game. The play that lost them the game was the Santana Moss’ fumble that turned into a Charles Woodson TD. At least their defense is playing lights out. Oh well, they are still not out of the NFC East picture and definitely still in the wild-card hunt.

Jacksonville Is Quietly Playing Great Football

Once again no one knows about any other team in the NFL other than New England, Indianapolis, and Dallas. Let alone the fact that the Jaguars and the Steelers have really good football teams and they should not be ignored right now. Mo-Jo has his, eh, “mojo” back and is looking like he did last year. The O-Line is finally dominating people and opening up massive running lanes. The defense is great as expected. The biggest surprise is David Garrard. He has yet to throw an interception this season and right now is the 2nd best QB in the division. His worst game thus far he still had a passer rating of 88.8. At first the Jaguars decision to abandon Leftwich was confusing, but Garrard is making me question ‘what took them so long?’ as he’s blossomed in Dirk Koetter’s offense. Next week they face the Indianapolis Colts and they have proven that they can beat them. If they want the notoriety of being an ‘elite’ football team they need to at least play the Colts tough.

The Reigning M.V.P Is Back

Last year LaDainian Tomlinson had a slow start to the season. He had just one 100-yard game in the first seven games of the season, and then he exploded and had one of the best individual RB season of all time. This year everyone has been talking about how he’s “struggling,” just because he isn’t annihilating the entire league. Slow starts are hardly new for him and I think Sunday’s game is proof of that. He looked every bit as good as he did last year and all of the sudden the Chargers’ are back. I for one have never doubted Tomlinson and shame on all of you who did.

The Panthers Confuse Me

I really, really am. Vinny Testaverde isn’t supposed to come in and play competent football. He has been in the league for twenty years (longer than I have been alive by the way). What he did on Sunday is remarkable and shows just how “ageless” he really is. Maybe Vinny is the long term answer, rather than my nemesis David Carr, I’ve certainly seen stranger things happen. All I do know is they need to give the ball to DeAngelo Williams more, and to DeShaun Foster less. It’s hard for me to think that this team can be a legitimate contender. Maybe Steve Smith can make any QB, other than Carr of course, look competent.

Monday Night Analysis

Falcons – Bobby Petrino needs to clean house. The veteran clique is creating a negative environment and has hurt the football team. Last week Alge Crumpler called out the coaching staff, so of course he would play up to expectations on MNF! You would think that he would have stepped up, but he didn’t. I am convinced that the only reason Warrick Dunn has retained the starting gig is because if Petrino benched such a popular veteran he’d have a mutiny on his hand. The team is starting rookies all over the field, and young players elsewhere. There is a small contingent of veterans like Warrick Dunn, Lawyer Milloy, who don’t have much of a future on the team. The team is young, and with three picks in the first fifty of the draft, and quite possibly one in the top-3, it will only continue to get younger. If you’re a veteran and you don’t like it, you can leave. It isn’t as if the team would have been that great with Michael Vick either.

As for the product on the field in ’07, the lack of offense is killing. The Falcons’ defense has played solid football, but has consistently been put in rough situations from the offense. If the team had a better offense, both passing and rushing, the defense would be pretty good. Very few defenses have the talent to withstand no support and still get the job done. Atlanta has some talented players, but too many young guys (Chris Houston, Jamaal Anderson, Trey Lewis are all getting significant work), over the hill players (Lawyer Milloy), and below average starters (Chris Crocker, Demorrio Williams) to overcome the offense sputtering. DeAngelo Hall has played well, Michael Boley has played well, and Keith Brooking, Grady Jackson, John Abraham have played about how they always do. I don’t know what to say about the offense, other than they might as well give Byron Leftwich a shot. Maybe just to see what they have and if he has any potential down the road. Obviously Norwood needs more touches, and White has played excellent football, but the offense in general is just a disaster at this point.

Giants – The Giants have really come around. To tell the truth I did not see this coming. Eli Manning is completing a higher percentage of his passes (even though he’s still making poor decisions), the defense has been playing shutdown defense, and the team isn’t in constant turmoil. Two things in particular stick out to me:
Plaxico Burress has finally lived up to his talent level. No longer is he making mental errors, dropping passes, and in general showing no effort. Instead he’s working hard, running crisp routes, and in general making plays like an elite player. This is one of the reason’s Eli Manning’s completion percentage has increased.
The cancerous element that was destroying the team was Tiki Barber. I didn’t think they’d be able to replace his production on the field, and they really haven’t. However, I did anticipate how much better the morale would be without him in the locker room. Tiki has tried to derail the team, this time from afar, but you are seeing different body language from everybody. Everyone trashes Terrell Owens for what he did to Philadelphia; shouldn’t we look at Tiki Barber in the same light? He too was a talented player who constantly called out other people.QB Struggles pt. II

Last week I mentioned Drew Brees, Matt Hasselbeck, Brett Favre, Chad Pennington, and Vince Young. This week I will reanalyze these Quarterbacks after I have seen another week of them:

Brett Favre – How will the Favre apologists spin this one? He threw two interceptions, and should have been picked off a lot more than that! Sean Taylor actually dropped a couple other potential INTs (from the ‘INT King’) before he hauled in the last two. When John Elway got old they gave him Terrell Davis and took pressure off of Elway, and he played better because of it. As long as the Packers don’t have a running game, Favre will continue to force ill-advised passes. His start to the season was a nice story, but he’s going to go back to being the Favre that were used to in the past couple of years.

Vince Young – Vince, for the most part, bounced back from last week’s disastrous performance. He still threw a pass that he had no business throwing, and then he got hurt. He still has a long way to go in terms of his development as an NFL QB. A thing about Young is he isn’t even dominating with his legs this year. I really don’t understand that at all. If you cannot consistently pass you might as well try and make something happen with your physical abilities.

Chad Pennington – Every week we see the same things; another Jets loss, once again featuring mediocre offensive production. Chad Pennington has been able to retain his starting position despite having a ‘push’ TD/INT ratio, and lacking the physical skills to attack a defense. The Jets actually had plenty of opportunities to win the game, but they settled for field goals rather than scoring.

Matt Hasselbeck – His stats are misleading, I don’t think he played very well at all. That one floating interceptions was unbelievably terrible. The only reason his stats look good is he was playing the Saints’ defensive backfield; anyone can put up stats against those guys.

Drew Brees – He finally woke up. Too many times I’ve seen Drew Brees make boneheaded decisions and hence he has a 1:9 TD/INT ratio. This game he was cool and collected. Lance Moore and David Patten being consistent certainly helped, as opposed to Colston and Henderson who have been anything but consistent. The O-Line played better in pass protection. If I were to bet I think Brees will be better, but he won’t reach the level that he was at last year.


Reggie Bush Finally Shows Up

What took so long? Anyways, he had a very Westbrook-esque performance as a runner and a receiver. He was making good, decisive cuts. He even had his three best individual runs of his career in just this past game! Now he just needs to play at this level on a consistent basis if he wants to be a top-10 RB in the NFL. The Saints do miss Deuce McAllister though. Reggie Bush got to 100 yards on 15 carries, but when they needed to pound the ball and run the clock Reggie Bush dropped a pass, and had four carries for -3 yards, and lost a fumble. In those situations last year McAllister was crucial to them grinding out victories for them last year. The Saints still won, but they sure found a way to let Seattle back into it. Even though he struggled mightily in the 4th, he still played his best football since last year’s game against the Giants. Now he just needs to continue if he and the Saints want to win some games. I would still take Maurice Jones-Drew and Joseph Addai over him though.

Devin Hester Is One of the Best Playmakers in the NFL

I haven’t written anything in particular about him, and I wish I would have said something sooner. He is already the best return man in NFL history; just let that sink in for a second. He even made his first explosive play as a receiver with a long TD catch. Several return men have had dominant stretches of performance, such as Dante Hall of ’03. None of them have had the sustained dominance Hester has had. He has proven that not only was last year not a fluke, but the best is ahead of him as a player. He impacts the game more than a lot of skill position players and defensive players who play much more than he does. He’s the Bears’ best player right now.

Quick Hits
Jared Allen abused Levi Jones. Allen took Jiu Jitsu training in the off-season and it’s really paid off. He’s playing his best football by far.
Houston’s offense just is not as dynamic as it was with Andre Johnson. It’s a shame that he hasn’t been healthy, because otherwise I think they would challenge for a wild-card slot. They are still a year off as a team, but they’ve made a step in the right direction.
TJ Houshmandzadeh, not Chad Johnson, is the Bengals best WR. He’s more consistent, more reliable, and has a better overall game including blocking and catching in traffic. This is the second year in a row that Houshmandzadeh has out-performed his grossly over-hyped counterpart in every way. Note to Chad Johnson; please refrain from calling out an opposing defense before you play them in front of their home fans.
Larry Johnson is quite possibly the worst pass blocking RB in the NFL. His lack of effort and heart when he is protecting Huard is disgusting to me. He has literally ducked out of the way so as not to take contact by oncoming rushers. I don’t care how talented you are as a runner; you need to be a complete player in order to be an ‘elite’ player. It’s absolutely pathetic.
Arizona’s defensive breakdown at the end of the game was shockingly. Leaving Steve Smith in single coverage with the game on the line? Wait, what? Falling asleep while DeAngelo Williams tears through your defense for a 75-yard gallop. Absolutely dumbfounding. At least Darnell Dockett got another sack.
How did Charlie Frye beat out Derek Anderson to be the game-1 starter? Either Anderson’s emerged only once he took over as the starter, or the coaches weren’t paying attention. Anderson is young and playing great, so you have to wonder when they will ever turn it over to Brady Quinn.
Philip Rivers’ is playing really inconsistent right now. He made quite possibly the worst throw of the week when he threw the ball directly to Thomas Howard. I thought that last week would have gotten him back on track, but apparently it didn’t.
Last year’s D.P.O.T.Y contenders have been relatively quiet thus far; however, that was not the case in week 6. Julius Peppers had 1.5 sacks and two FF, Jason Taylor had a sack, Shawne Merriman had 2.5 sacks.

kwilk103
10-15-2007, 11:37 PM
dont forget the 'boys still get henry back in 2 weeks (only misses the minny game), tank in 3 weeks (misses 2 games), and glenn back (will start running this week)

henry will help the secondary (4 ints), tank will help with the pass rush (and help keep dline fresh), and hopefully glenn will be able to go and help stretch the field and free up owens

Shiver
10-15-2007, 11:41 PM
I just noticed I wrote a ton this week. I think it is because I started a day earlier than I usually do, so I didn't feel I had to rush anything.

Geo
10-16-2007, 12:01 AM
I'd say the Giants challenged the Dallas secondary in Week 1, to the tune of 35 points in their own stadium. Eli threw for over 300 yards and 4 touchdowns.

I think it's unfair to say the Redskins' choked, if the specific blame should go anywhere it should be to fraud Santana Moss. He caused the interception and his powderpuff fumble led to the Packers scoring the winning touchdown. He even sat himself afterwards, which is puzzling. Hello, deep speed decoy? Ugh, his brother is even more worthless.

Also, (occassional) upright running was a knock on Addai as well coming out of LSU. Maybe it's overblown?

Good note on Larry Johnson's pass-blocking, as someone who say it himself and shared. I know he was awful his first year of starting, 2005, and I blasted him for it.

The Housh/Ocho bit, we've talked about for some time. Funny thing is Johnson is locked up long-term while TJ is signed through 2008.

San Diego Chicken
10-16-2007, 12:07 AM
In the last few weeks you gave Mario Williams and the rest of the Houston 1st round picks on the DL alot of praise, isn't it prudent to turn around and say they played poorly after giving up 244 yards rushing to the Jaguars?

Shiver
10-16-2007, 12:09 AM
I'd say the Giants challenged the Dallas secondary in Week 1, to the tune of 35 points in their own stadium. Eli threw for over 300 yards and 4 touchdowns.

I don't know why I worded it that way. What I meant was they were unchallenged by the likes of Buffalo, St Louis, Miami, and Chicago (with Grossman),

I think it's unfair to say the Redskins' choked, if the specific blame should go anywhere it should be to fraud Santana Moss. He caused the interception and his powderpuff fumble led to the Packers scoring the winning touchdown. He even sat himself afterwards, which is puzzling. Hello, deep speed decoy? Ugh, his brother is even more worthless.Santana Moss has had two good seasons, other than that yeah he has been worthless. I just thought for sure that "my" Redskins would have beaten GB, and they should have. Moss killed them.

Also, (occassional) upright running was a knock on Addai as well coming out of LSU. Maybe it's overblown?It probably is.

Good note on Larry Johnson's pass-blocking, as someone who say it himself and shared. I know he was awful his first year of starting, 2005, and I blasted him for it.No one can be a 'elite' top-5 RB when you suck at one of the three aspects of playing the position. What's sad is Larry Johnson has the physique to be a great blocker, he's 6'1" 235-lbs but he shies away from contact while players like Clinton Portis who is 5'10" 200-lbs stonewalls linebackers.

The Housh/Ocho bit, we've talked about for some time. Funny thing is Johnson is locked up long-term while TJ is signed through 2008.

That's sad. Houshmandzadeh does all the things you want from a technical standpoint. He catches passes in the middle while taking big shots, he blocks very well, he rarely drops passes, and most of all you can tell it's all team first for him. It's a shame that his teammate steals all of his glory simply because he's a narcissist.

Shiver
10-16-2007, 12:11 AM
In the last few weeks you gave Mario Williams and the rest of the Houston 1st round picks on the DL alot of praise, isn't it prudent to turn around and say they played poorly after giving up 244 yards rushing to the Jaguars?


Of course they didn't play well. Sometimes that just happens, see Jacksonville's formidable front seven getting gashed by the Titans in week 1. If it becomes a trend then I will make mention of it.

San Diego Chicken
10-16-2007, 12:16 AM
Of course they didn't play well. Sometimes that just happens, see Jacksonville's formidable front seven getting gashed by the Titans in week 1. If it becomes a trend then I will make mention of it.

That is very true, defenses often have off games, but the Texans are giving up a disturbing 4.8 yards per carry on the season. Seems like a low return given that they've spent their last three #1 draft picks on the defensive line.

Shiver
10-16-2007, 12:22 AM
How much of that number is inflated due to this past Sunday? The Jaguars did average 9.4 yards per rushing play. Most of that comes from Fred Taylor's 76 yard run, and Maurice Jones-Drew run of 57. So of the Jaguars' 244 yards rushing, half of it came on two runs.

Geo
10-16-2007, 12:23 AM
I didn't know the Jags ran that well against a good Texans defense. Crap.

Looking into it:

FIRST HALF
carries-yards-avg-long
Fred Taylor 5-83-16.6-76
Maurice Drew 6-41-6.8-27
David Garrard 4-14-3.5-5
Greg Jones 1-3-3.0-3
Total 16-141-8.8-76


SECOND HALF
carries-yards-avg-long-touchdowns
Fred Taylor 1-7-7.0-7
Maurice Drew 6-84-14.0-57-2
David Garrard 1-12-12.0-12
Greg Jones 1-1-1.0-1
Quinn Gray 1-(-)1-(-)1.0-(-)1
Total 10-103-10.3-57-2

Mo Drew had the parting of the Red Sea opening on his 57-yard touchdown, the Jags offensive line mauled the Texans on that play. It was late in the 4th with 6 minutes to go, though.

Auron
10-16-2007, 12:32 AM
Agreed on your take of the Pats/Cowboys game. I think the Cowboys issues in the secondary are widely known but I still think they will finish as the top seed in the NFC because it seems they are still the most overall consistent team in the conference. (I'm going to view the Buffalo game as an aberration) although not much can be done about the secondary issues, it should likely get better for them when Henry returns, and Newman becomes 100% healthy..

Peterson is a stud. He has power, speed, acceleration all in one. Hope to see many more highlights of him the rest of the year. As of now he's OROY unless he gets injured, or someone takes it away from him. Doubtful.

Agreed on the Redskins, which is why I didn't have the confidence in them to pick them this week. That team right now is sort of an enigma to me, They can come out looking so strong one Week, and then the following Week they continuously shoot themselves in the foot to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. (Impressive Monday Night Win over the Eagles followed by a collapsing Home loss to the Giants, a demolishing of the Lions, followed by a heartbreaking loss in Green Bay) Looking back you could probably say the Skins should of won both of those games. On the bright side Jason Campbell looks to be making the next step in becoming an upper level QB in this league, and when everyone is healthy they have a lot of diversity on Offense. (Randle El, Moss, Portis, Sellers, Cooley) The pass Defense is great, but some of Coaching decisions - playcalling, clock management by Gibbs. and co. baffle me down the stretch in crucial parts of the games.

I said it before, but the Jags look scary and seem to be back as legit contenders in the AFC. They play smash mouth to stop the run, and run it down your throat, but most surprisingly Garrard is playing very efficiently. (No interceptions this year yet) The Colts on Monday Night next Week will be a huge test for this team, and should give us a good barometer of where they are really at.

L.T, nothing new players go through struggles all the time especially coming off of huge MVP years. (it's hard to always live up to amazingly high expectations) He still has the same great ability he always had.

Panthers confuse me too. Terrible Home team.. they are 0-2 at home and have been outscored 54-28 at Home this season. but they are 4-0 on the Road. One thing to keep in mind is that their Wins this season have come against the Rams (0-6), Falcons (1-5), Saints (1-4), and a Cardinals team that played Tim Rattay at QB who was just signed off the street.

Bush showed me some positive things, he ran forward and attacked the line of scrimmage for the most part. However I'd still like to see some more consistency from him and the whole ground game in general. We really struggled to wind down the clock late in the 4th quarter when we had a chance to put the game away early.

Windy
10-16-2007, 12:36 AM
tomorrow is the trade deadline. too bad it isn't as exciting as the mlb deadline or even the nba deadline.

Moses
10-16-2007, 12:42 AM
Shiver,

I really hope you weren't one of the people who were harping on Packers fans for saying they should have won the Bears game because they outplayed them.

diabsoule
10-16-2007, 01:20 AM
I would take Jones-Drew over Bush too. Hell, I would've taken Bush and Jones-Drew in the same draft and traded away McAllister. Jones-Drew was drafted in the 2nd Round. The Saints could have drafted Jones-Drew in the 2nd and then drafted Dawan Landry in the 5th if they wanted a safety that badly.

I am a huge Lance Moore fan and think the more he plays the better he gets. He runs clean routes, catches the ball nicely, and I haven't seen him drop a pass yet. Devery Henderson will probably be demoted to the 4th receiver. I don't know what's up with Colston. I think more teams are double-teaming him so he's not getting the looks he's used to.

Moses
10-16-2007, 01:43 AM
I would take Jones-Drew over Bush too. Hell, I would've taken Bush and Jones-Drew in the same draft and traded away McAllister. Jones-Drew was drafted in the 2nd Round. The Saints could have drafted Jones-Drew in the 2nd and then drafted Dawan Landry in the 5th if they wanted a safety that badly.

Thanks for your great analysis now that you know how the players are going to pan out...

diabsoule
10-16-2007, 01:51 AM
Thanks for your great analysis now that you know how the players are going to pan out...

Your welcome.
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Smart ass.

I was not a huge fan of the selection of Reggie Bush and have been one of his harsher critics. I liked Jones-Drew better come draft time.

Caddy
10-16-2007, 01:52 AM
Shiver I think you forgot your token Buccaneer quick hit out this week. :(

Moses
10-16-2007, 01:53 AM
Your welcome.
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Smart ass.

I was not a huge fan of the selection of Reggie Bush and have been one of his harsher critics. I liked Jones-Drew better come draft time.

That's fine. But saying that they should have drafted Dawan Landry in the 5th if they wanted a safety is idiotic.

Dam8610
10-16-2007, 02:01 AM
Jacksonville Is Quietly Playing Great Football

Once again no one knows about any other team in the NFL other than New England, Indianapolis, and Dallas. Let alone the fact that the Jaguars and the Steelers have really good football teams and they should not be ignored right now. Mo-Jo has his, eh, “mojo” back and is looking like he did last year. The O-Line is finally dominating people and opening up massive running lanes. The defense is great as expected. The biggest surprise is David Garrard. He has yet to throw an interception this season and right now is the 2nd best QB in the division. His worst game thus far he still had a passer rating of 88.8. At first the Jaguars decision to abandon Leftwich was confusing, but Garrard is making me question ‘what took them so long?’ as he’s blossomed in Dirk Koetter’s offense. Next week they face the Indianapolis Colts and they have proven that they can beat them. If they want the notoriety of being an ‘elite’ football team they need to at least play the Colts tough.

Can we safely say that for the first time in a while, MNF looks to be the game of the week?

diabsoule
10-16-2007, 02:06 AM
That's fine. But saying that they should have drafted Dawan Landry in the 5th if they wanted a safety is idiotic.

My bad. I thought I could say that. I guess no one has ever looked back at the draft in hindsight and said "you know what? we should have taken that guy!" I guess if you were in my shoes you wouldn't want to swap Roman Harper for Dawan Landry? Based on my logic we could have traded away Deuce McAllister and probably have got something significant for him. Let's say a 3rd Rounder.
Whenever we drafted a safety in Round 2 I was cursing at the television screen because safety wasn't a huge need like defensive tackle, cornerback, and linebacker. If the front office wanted to take address either one of those positions in rounds 2-4. With us having an extra third rounder from the Deuce deal, we could have drafted Jones-Drew to compliment Reggie Bush in round 2, or drafted Cedric Griffin or Richard Marshall. Let's say they drafted Jones-Drew for arguments sake. Then in Round 3 they could have drafted any DT, LB, or CB depending on which team traded for Deuce. Then in Round 4 you draft the position you didn't address previously based on BPA. And then want to address safety what round does that leave you addressing safety in? Yup, the 5th round because then your drafting mostly BPA and there were some nice safeties that were BPA in the 5th. In the 5th Round, the drafted safeties were Pat Watkins, Dawan Landry, Greg Blue, and Charlie Peprah. I would've been happy with the first three if we were to have drafted safety in that round. The guys who I really wanted the Saints to draft were Terna Nande or Johnathan Scott but instead we drafted Rob Ninkovich who hasn't been able to stay healthy and who I think was cut this year.

OzTitan
10-16-2007, 02:23 AM
Something is up in Titans land. VY seems content on running as few times as possible while the playcalling seems to stubbornly insist on smash mouth/short route football when D's are stacking the LOS and daring VY to throw mid to long, which he's typically better at than short anyway. They're not taking what D's are giving them, they seem to be forcing this ridiculous notion that they can maul every team each week like they did in week 1 against the Jags and move the ball. Things better change this week or the only wins will come with defensive TD's.

Great D though. #1 run D is nice.

Shiver
10-16-2007, 02:29 AM
Shiver,

I really hope you weren't one of the people who were harping on Packers fans for saying they should have won the Bears game because they outplayed them.

I wasn't one of those people. I really didn't say much about that game other than Brett Favre's costly mistake was the turning point in the game, much to the chagrin of most Packers' fans.

Can we safely say that for the first time in a while, MNF looks to be the game of the week?

As long as it has Tony Kornholio, no MNF game can be the GOTW. Seriously, though, yeah Jacksonville vs. Indianapolis is my most anticipated game. Indianapolis seems to have three really tough games ahead of them.

Something is up in Titans land. VY seems content on running as few times as possible while the playcalling seems to stubbornly insist on smash mouth/short route football when D's are stacking the LOS and daring VY to throw mid to long, which he's typically better at than short anyway. They're not taking what D's are giving them, they seem to be forcing this ridiculous notion that they can maul every team each week like they did in week 1 against the Jags and move the ball. Things better change this week or the only wins will come with defensive TD's.

Great D though. #1 run D is nice.

I don't think they have the receivers in order to stretch the field and make plays deep. Vince Young seems to have a nice arm, so you'd expect more vertical passes though.

Dam8610
10-16-2007, 02:33 AM
Indianapolis seems to have three really tough games ahead of them.

This is probably the toughest 4 game stretch of the season for the Colts. On the plus side, maybe they'll get some practice playing/winning some close and hard fought games before the big one in Week 9.

Shiver
10-16-2007, 02:33 AM
I would take Jones-Drew over Bush too. Hell, I would've taken Bush and Jones-Drew in the same draft and traded away McAllister. Jones-Drew was drafted in the 2nd Round. The Saints could have drafted Jones-Drew in the 2nd and then drafted Dawan Landry in the 5th if they wanted a safety that badly.


Ideally having AJ Hawk and Maurice Jones-Drew would have been the best case scenario, from the perspective of hindsight obviously.

Shiver
10-16-2007, 02:34 AM
This is probably the toughest 4 game stretch of the season for the Colts. On the plus side, maybe they'll get some practice playing/winning some close and hard fought games before the big one in Week 9.


What do you consider a success in this upcoming stretch? 2-2? Or do you expect 3-1?

Dam8610
10-16-2007, 02:40 AM
What do you consider a success in this upcoming stretch? 2-2? Or do you expect 3-1?

To me, the Colts absolutely have to have 2 of these games, and those are the two toughest of the bunch: @ Jacksonville and vs. New England. If the Colts come out of this 2-2 and win those two, I guess that would be good enough. Obviously I want 4-0, and IMHO the Colts are capable of that.

Xenos
10-16-2007, 02:48 AM
Philip Rivers’ is playing really inconsistent right now. He made quite possibly the worst throw of the week when he threw the ball directly to Thomas Howard. I thought that last week would have gotten him back on track, but apparently it didn’t.[/LIST]
Last year’s D.P.O.T.Y contenders have been relatively quiet thus far; however, that was not the case in week 6. Julius Peppers had 1.5 sacks and two FF, Jason Taylor had a sack, Shawne Merriman had 2.5 sacks.

The whole consistency thing with Rivers is also bugging me. He seems to be having the same problems that Brees had during the 2005 season. Hopefully, this season won't end like that season as well. I will say that that lone pass was really the only big mistake that he made in that game. Most of the time, it was just feeding LT the ball.

I'm also more hopeful that the defensive players are jiving better with Cottrell on the schemes, and that Merriman will be back in full force soon.

diabsoule
10-16-2007, 03:57 AM
Ideally having AJ Hawk and Maurice Jones-Drew would have been the best case scenario, from the perspective of hindsight obviously.

That kind of drafting would have left the male fans of the Saints with huge puddles in our pants from spontaneously urinating on ourselves, however, that kind of logic just goes over the heads of our front office and coaching staff.

NIN1984
10-16-2007, 06:59 AM
Good read, and I really like the Giants right now I didn't think they would be this good the d is playing great football.

Spagnuolo is a pimp

Jughead10
10-16-2007, 07:50 AM
The thing about the Giants that constantly gets overlooked is their O-line. You made great points about Plax becoming elite and Tiki being a cancer, but the O-line is boderline dominant. Atlanta brought heavy blitz packages similar to what the Giants were bringing, but the Giants picked it up the majority of the time. They have always been a punishing run blocking unit, but outside the one Abraham sack, they were pretty impressive again protecting Eli. Losing Pettitgout was not a loss at all. It was probably addition by subtraction. Too many people made losing our LT a big deal. Jacobs didn't really have a punishing game, he went down on first contact a lot. The difference is on those off tackle runs he wouldn't even have a hand laid on him for 5 yards. And I was never worried about losing Tiki. The players don't hate Coughlin, only Tiki hated him. He wasn't even a great back until Coughlin came and improved our O-line and stopped his fumbling.

NYGibril28
10-16-2007, 08:00 AM
Good post Jug, very good points. I think every O-Line in the NFL is underrated though. No one ever gives these guys enough credit. I was also glad to see Sinorice getting some action last night, granted he didn't do much, but at least he's finally seeing the field and maybe he could end up okay.

TitleTown088
10-16-2007, 08:39 AM
Why is it that you only mention Favre when he has a bad game and not when he plays a good one? Funny how you make a mention of his " INT KING " record and nothing when he had the TD record? Thus far he has played 3 great games, 1 poor and 2 mediocre and yet you act as if the sky is falling for the him and the packers. The biggest reason of the 5-1 Packers is Brett Favre and a little bit of defense. Why don't the Packers give him a running game to win and take the ball out of his hand? Are you kidding? They are 5-1 and because of the passing game FAVRE directs. Don't get my wrong , I would die for a running game in GB right now, but despite one the Packers are still on top of the NFC. Coming into this week he led the league in passing yards not to mention he currently has a 65% completion percentage and a 87 passer rating.... not too shabby.
I'll start to listen to you're constant Favre bashing as soon as you can name me more than three Beastie Boy songs. My bet is your about 16-17 years old and started watching football around 2005 and think Favre dosen't have it.
The Redskins lost it? how so ? Getting lucky on two calls that should have resulted with Packer TDs? Or how about the Packers defense slapping them around like bitches in the second half? They dropped interceptions? Yeah, they sure did but guess what, I can count more two the packers dropped in the second game as well. Did the redskins have a couple mistakes? Sure, but the Packers defense wont his game, the Redskins didn't lose it. Do you watch the games or just look at the box score on ESPN.com?

smittyjs
10-16-2007, 09:25 AM
Young just won't run it, it is in his mind that he has to prove he is a pocket passer...

LonghornsLegend
10-16-2007, 09:25 AM
The thing about the Giants that constantly gets overlooked is their O-line. You made great points about Plax becoming elite and Tiki being a cancer, but the O-line is boderline dominant. Atlanta brought heavy blitz packages similar to what the Giants were bringing, but the Giants picked it up the majority of the time. They have always been a punishing run blocking unit, but outside the one Abraham sack, they were pretty impressive again protecting Eli. Losing Pettitgout was not a loss at all. It was probably addition by subtraction. Too many people made losing our LT a big deal. Jacobs didn't really have a punishing game, he went down on first contact a lot. The difference is on those off tackle runs he wouldn't even have a hand laid on him for 5 yards. And I was never worried about losing Tiki. The players don't hate Coughlin, only Tiki hated him. He wasn't even a great back until Coughlin came and improved our O-line and stopped his fumbling.


I noticed that during the game, HArrington sucks but when he dropped back to pass he had NO time to set his feet, he always had to move up in the pocket and by then someone was collapsing on him, when Eli ran a play action he had no pass rush, no one in his face, and could plant his feet and just throw...that td to plax was evident of that, O line did a great job all nite

Jughead10
10-16-2007, 09:29 AM
I noticed that during the game, HArrington sucks but when he dropped back to pass he had NO time to set his feet, he always had to move up in the pocket and by then someone was collapsing on him, when Eli ran a play action he had no pass rush, no one in his face, and could plant his feet and just throw...that td to plax was evident of that, O line did a great job all nite

This is true. Harrington shortarmed a lot of passes because of the pressure and quite a few times you saw passes at the feet of receivers in the flat or on quick outs. And Atlanta attempted to bring the same pressure. They brought 5 or 6 quite a few times, but it was picked up. All of our RBs are great blockers in the back field that has a lot to do with it as well. I'm assuming they learned a lot of that from Tiki, who was one of the best at it despite his smaller stature.

osi+ap=allshallperish
10-16-2007, 09:39 AM
My lone significant observation this season is WTF LJ!? The way he's playing he's either given up on his offensive team mates or he's given up on Herm Edwards. Not that I blame him, he's been getting no support from the passing game and the oline is only average now plus Edwards and offense just don't go together. But the chiefs need sweeping changes on O either more talent, a new OC or HC or to trade LJ, which would be very hard given the cap hit that would entail. Normally LJ just wills his way threw defenses when he has the ball, but i just don't see that passion when he doesn't have the ball, only explanation I can come up with is that he just has no faith in the people around him making plays.

Jughead10
10-16-2007, 09:46 AM
My lone significant observation this season is WTF LJ!? The way he's playing he's either given up on his offensive team mates or he's given up on Herm Edwards. Not that I blame him, he's been getting no support from the passing game and the oline is only average now plus Edwards and offense just don't go together. But the chiefs need sweeping changes on O either more talent, a new OC or HC or to trade LJ, which would be very hard given the cap hit that would entail. Normally LJ just wills his way threw defenses when he has the ball, but i just don't see that passion when he doesn't have the ball, only explanation I can come up with is that he just has no faith in the people around him making plays.

Maybe Priest Holmes coming back can light a fire under LJ's ass. Holmes is a great man and teammate.

osi+ap=allshallperish
10-16-2007, 09:51 AM
Shiver doesn't have to be on favre's joke, the media does that enough. I mean I loved the classic Brett from his prime still play some of his great games at when I'm hanging out and having a beer with my buddies, but he's no longer able to win games single handedly, he needs to be part of a successful system. While he's a very good piece to the puzzle he's no longer the only piece that matters. The pack are 5-1 and favre is a big part of that, but their defense is probably a bigger part of that and for the pack to be an elite team, and not just one of the best in the NFC, they need to develop a running game.

osi+ap=allshallperish
10-16-2007, 09:57 AM
Maybe Priest Holmes coming back can light a fire under LJ's ass. Holmes is a great man and teammate.

I dunno, I like priest and he's interesting to me but I'm not sure he would really help on much. From all I've read priest often keeps to himself and if you remember priest was the guy getting most of the carries when LJ started to complain. To me this is similar to Oakland a year ago with randy moss. An elite player on an o that doesn't help him much and has caused him to give up on the offense.

Moses
10-16-2007, 11:05 AM
Shiver doesn't have to be on favre's joke, the media does that enough. I mean I loved the classic Brett from his prime still play some of his great games at when I'm hanging out and having a beer with my buddies, but he's no longer able to win games single handedly, he needs to be part of a successful system. While he's a very good piece to the puzzle he's no longer the only piece that matters. The pack are 5-1 and favre is a big part of that, but their defense is probably a bigger part of that and for the pack to be an elite team, and not just one of the best in the NFC, they need to develop a running game.

I think most Packers fans are just frustrated because these forums aren't consistent with how they criticize the Packers. Some guys are saying the defence is terrible and can't stop the pass. Some are saying Favre is garbage and is making a ton of costly mistakes. Some are saying they have no run game. Obviously if their pass game and run game both suck, and their defence is overrated and can't stop the pass, they wouldn't be 5-1.

osi+ap=allshallperish
10-16-2007, 11:09 AM
To be fair a lot of people are on favre's nuts, moreso than his play has warranted.

Moses
10-16-2007, 11:12 AM
To be fair a lot of people are on favre's nuts, moreso than his play has warranted.

He is having an awesome season. Who has played better than him this season?

Brady obviously. Who else?

Auron
10-16-2007, 11:25 AM
I think most Packers fans are just frustrated because these forums aren't consistent with how they criticize the Packers. Some guys are saying the defence is terrible and can't stop the pass. Some are saying Favre is garbage and is making a ton of costly mistakes. Some are saying they have no run game. Obviously if their pass game and run game both suck, and their defence is overrated and can't stop the pass, they wouldn't be 5-1.

My evaluation of the Packers is that they are a strong Defensive team that focuses on shutting down the run with a tough Defensive Line, while playing bump and run on the outside with 2 of the better press Corners in the league in Woodson, and Harris. I think the weakness in the Secondary is the depth.. Beyond their top two corners Jarrett Bush can be exploited in Nickel packages, and while Atari Bigby is an aggressive big hitter, I think teams can cause mismatches if they get their top TE, or deep threat matched up on him.

Offensively they're at their best when they are executing their West Coast scheme. Spread the field with their 3 Receiver sets, and move the ball down field with the high percentage Quick slants, short stop routes and curls, and crossing patterns. I think sometimes Favre gets too aggressive and takes some risky shots downfield. If he can just stay patient, and efficient he'll be a Pro-bowler this year. The run game for the most part hasn't been there, but they've shown some signs of developing a better ground game with Wynn, and Morency but in the end this is still a West Coast, quick passing game type team.

Overall they are one of the better teams in the unimpressive NFC, they have some flaws but then again other teams in this conference have much bigger ones. I think they finish around 11-5 with their remaining schedule and win the NFC North. They still play the Lions twice, and the Vikings at Home. (which might not be a gimme game by then)

bigbluedefense
10-16-2007, 12:58 PM
The only reason why I didn't have the Skins winning the east this year (wouldve been wrong anyway) was because I was worried about their offense. Theyre too inconsistent on offense for me to trust them to win alot of games.

Their defense has been amazing. Further proof that management has no clue about their team. They wanted Briggs? Look at what McIntosh is doing this year. Dan Snyder is such an asshat.

And its sad, because even though they barely draft, the Skins are a very good drafting team.

Oh, and one thing that concerns me about Campbell. His release is kind of long isn't it? It isn't Leftwich long, but he needs to snap it out quicker.

soybean
10-16-2007, 01:48 PM
i didn't see the monday night game because i was busy but i saw the highlights on NFL.com and Joey Harrington looked pretty good. Is he really as bad as advertised?

Favre4ever
10-16-2007, 01:50 PM
I dont get why Packer fans are so offended by the criticism against the team. This is the youngest team off the league so that means that its completely normal to see inconsistency in the running game, pass defense and passing game. Despite all the inconsistent play, the team is 5-1 and the good thing is the team can win games even when Favre is not at his best. Every Packer fan knows that this team hasnt played their best football yet which is scary good. The comments about Favre are just funny, it just shows you havent followed this team the whole year. This Packer team is on its way up and like last year they will finish strong.

Also the "my" Redskins should have won comments are just plain pure homerism. This game could have gone either way. Packers got two TD's called back on one missed call (Bubba Franks forced out) and one very bad call (Tauscher's phantom hold, even the commentators agreed). So yeah, Redskins choked...

Shiver
10-16-2007, 01:51 PM
The Packers have a great defense. That's why they are 5-1, for the most part. As I said: Favre played great football at the beginning of the season. However, ever since the 2nd half of the Bears game he looks like the '05/'06 Favre again and I am afraid that we will see a lot of 'that' Favre. And no Titletown I remember Brett Favre when he was a great player. I've been watching football since '95.

Geo
10-16-2007, 01:52 PM
Suffice to say the Falcons offense is not a highly productive and well-oiled machine right now, for more than one reason.

But, although I didn't really pay attention to him, that undrafted rookie left tackle didn't do too bad, did he? At least he didn't Winston Justice himself on Monday night.

Shiver
10-16-2007, 01:53 PM
Also the "my" Redskins should have won comments are just plain pure homerism. This game could have gone either way. Packers got two TD's called back on one missed call (Bubba Franks forced out) and one very bad call (Tauscher's phantom hold, even the commentators agreed). So yeah, Redskins choked...

The "my" Redskins thing was a joke....

Shiver
10-16-2007, 01:54 PM
Suffice to say the Falcons offense is not a highly productive and well-oiled machine right now, for more than one reason.

But, although I didn't really pay attention to him, that undrafted rookie left tackle didn't do too bad, did he? At least he didn't Winston Justice himself on Monday night.

There were several times where he got beat, but your right at least he didn't yield five sacks..

i didn't see the monday night game because i was busy but i saw the highlights on NFL.com and Joey Harrington looked pretty good. Is he really as bad as advertised?

The receivers dropped passes. That being said Harrington still does not have the mental toughness to play the position. If he sees any rushers coming he freezes and makes poor decisions. He won't take a hit and deliver a strike down the field.

Favre4ever
10-16-2007, 02:00 PM
The "my" Redskins thing was a joke....

But saying that they should have won is overlooking what happened in that game.

CC.SD
10-16-2007, 02:06 PM
He is having an awesome season. Who has played better than him this season?

Brady obviously. Who else?

Garrard's looking pretty good. Peyton. Romo had a bad game, but I would still say on the season he's done very very well. I agree that it's a short list though.

ShutDwn
10-16-2007, 03:59 PM
Vinny does one thing a lot better than Carr has: he gets the ball to Smith. Of course he can play better, the average starting position for the Panthers was the 40 yard line and they only put up 9 points until the fourth quarter I think.

The Panthers have gotten some really lucky interceptions, huge under throws, and three tipped balls.

DeAngelo Williams to me, needs to run with more power. Yeah he is small, but he is bigger than Jones-Drew. He isn't the wrecking ball Drew is, but he should show a little more physicality in the hole.

Peppers also woke up, but I don't think he played the entire game, I didn't see him late.

Moses
10-16-2007, 04:09 PM
Garrard's looking pretty good. Peyton. Romo had a bad game, but I would still say on the season he's done very very well. I agree that it's a short list though.

Garrard has played mistake-free but he is not the catalyst of that offence. He has a strong running game to depend on. Peyton and Brady are the only two players who 100% for sure have outplayed Favre this season. Romo is a tossup.

Shiver
10-16-2007, 06:45 PM
I have a special surprise for next week's column. Anyone who guesses it gets a cookie.

neko4
10-16-2007, 06:49 PM
The Packers have a great defense. That's why they are 5-1, for the most part. As I said: Favre played great football at the beginning of the season. However, ever since the 2nd half of the Bears game he looks like the '05/'06 Favre again and I am afraid that we will see a lot of 'that' Favre. And no Titletown I remember Brett Favre when he was a great player. I've been watching football since '95.
Even the greats will slump from time to time. Hopefully we can make some adjustments during the bye

Boston
10-16-2007, 09:22 PM
The Packers have a great defense. That's why they are 5-1, for the most part. As I said: Favre played great football at the beginning of the season. However, ever since the 2nd half of the Bears game he looks like the '05/'06 Favre again and I am afraid that we will see a lot of 'that' Favre. And no Titletown I remember Brett Favre when he was a great player. I've been watching football since '95.

Before I say anything, Favre had a bad game, I know this. But to say this is a sign of things to come is completely ridiculous. The Packers have no run game, and on a rainy, wet, day, this is bad. Especially when your going up against a defense like the Redskins. But, hey, I see how that shows us the "old" Brett Favre, if you will, is returning...

Shiver
10-17-2007, 12:39 AM
And by "old" Favre, the "old new" Favre. Wait, that doesn't make any sense.

Flyboy
10-17-2007, 12:41 AM
I have a special surprise for next week's column. Anyone who guesses it gets a cookie.

Depends on the type of cookie.

Shiver
10-17-2007, 12:47 AM
Macadamia Nut Cookie...

Flyboy
10-17-2007, 01:32 AM
Goddamnit. You almost had me. White chocolate macadamian nut is my favorite cookie.

Shiver
10-17-2007, 01:38 AM
Those are EVERYONE'S favorite cookie. No one can resist the incredible combination of white chocolate and macadamian nut.

Flyboy
10-17-2007, 01:46 AM
The surprise... erm....

...

You're gonna interview someone in the league.

*wants his cookie*

Shiver
10-17-2007, 01:59 AM
Let's just say don't expect the same format.... I'm changing things up and it should create a firestorm of banter.

TitleTown088
10-17-2007, 02:57 AM
And no Titletown I remember Brett Favre when he was a great player. I've been watching football since '95.

What from your high chair? I thought you were like 17?

BlindSite
10-17-2007, 03:23 AM
Vinny does one thing a lot better than Carr has: he gets the ball to Smith. Of course he can play better, the average starting position for the Panthers was the 40 yard line and they only put up 9 points until the fourth quarter I think.

The Panthers have gotten some really lucky interceptions, huge under throws, and three tipped balls.

DeAngelo Williams to me, needs to run with more power. Yeah he is small, but he is bigger than Jones-Drew. He isn't the wrecking ball Drew is, but he should show a little more physicality in the hole.

Peppers also woke up, but I don't think he played the entire game, I didn't see him late.

DeAngelo williams run with more power in the hole? You realise he's only a small running back in the scale of things... He needs to be put in positions to use his awesome lateral agility and acceleration.

LT doesn't run through linebackers or defensive linemen, don't expect williams to.

Shiver
10-17-2007, 03:39 AM
What from your high chair? I thought you were like 17?


I said that's when I started, I didn't "really" get into it until '99.

The Unseen
10-17-2007, 06:08 AM
Those are EVERYONE'S favorite cookie. No one can resist the incredible combination of white chocolate and macadamian nut.

C'mon, you can't beat classic chocolate chip.

Flyboy
10-17-2007, 12:17 PM
C'mon, you can't beat classic chocolate chip.

Meh, chocolate chip. Highly overrated imo.

Flyboy
10-17-2007, 12:18 PM
If Shiver is younger than me I will officially retire from these forums. Not really, but still.

P-L
10-17-2007, 01:33 PM
If Shiver is younger than me I will officially retire from these forums. Not really, but still.

He's younger than you.

Shiver
10-17-2007, 02:41 PM
Yes! Flyboy has to retire!

Flyboy
10-17-2007, 02:48 PM
... what the hell?!

...

I don't believe that. Nope. Not one bit. Lies.

yourfavestoner
10-17-2007, 03:46 PM
What from your high chair? I thought you were like 17?

The fact that you're calling Shiver out for his football knowledge is so ironic it's laughable.

Newsflash: the depth of your knowledge on a particular subject goes far beyond chronological age.