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The Legend
10-16-2007, 12:09 AM
Chad Clifton
Al Harris
Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila - 5 Sacks (10th NFL)
Aaron Kampman - 5 Sacks (10th NFL)
Nick Barnett - 56 Tackles (2nd NFL)

EvilMonkey
10-16-2007, 12:34 AM
well in a pretty weak group of NFC quarterbacks, Favre has gotta be in as of right now.

SuperKevin
10-16-2007, 12:36 AM
I've been very impressed with Cullen Jenkins. He seems to make plays every week.

VPF
10-16-2007, 12:52 AM
KGB is not a pro bowl player. He isnt even a starter, he is a role player. I would say the only perennial Pro Bowl players we have are kampman, favre, and barnett. maybe one of our CB's will make it this year but you have to remember it is a popularity contest, not about the most talented players.

Twiddler
10-16-2007, 07:26 AM
KGB is not a pro bowl player. He isnt even a starter, he is a role player. I would say the only perennial Pro Bowl players we have are kampman, favre, and barnett. maybe one of our CB's will make it this year but you have to remember it is a popularity contest, not about the most talented players.

Was just going to say something like this. KGB making it this year would be almost compareable if Mark Anderson were to make it for the Bears last year, just a specialist.

princefielder28
10-16-2007, 11:28 AM
I would give Woodson the nod at CB before Harris.

GB12
10-16-2007, 03:41 PM
I would give Woodson the nod at CB before Harris.

He should have been there last year.

Boston
10-16-2007, 03:54 PM
I've been very impressed with Cullen Jenkins. He seems to make plays every week.

Not yet. Once he gets healthy, he'll start making more impact plays.

Moses
10-16-2007, 04:11 PM
I would give Woodson the nod at CB before Harris.

He probably has a better chance at the Pro Bowl but Harris takes the #1 receiver and does a good job of it.

Nitschke-Hawk
10-16-2007, 05:48 PM
Packers-

Atari Bigby, Nick Barnett, Aaron Kampman, Al Harris, Charles Woodson, Donald Driver, and Brett Favre will have a good shot if they keep up their pace.

Darkhorses: Donald Lee might have a chance in this weak year for NFC Tight End's. Our DT's have a shot: Ryan Pickett is massive in the run, keeps taking double teams. Johnny Jolly and Corey Williams just keep making plays. I think if the voting was absolutely correct they would all make it at least as alternates, honestly.

umphrey
10-19-2007, 01:05 PM
Favre is almost a lock due to improved play, team success, and lack of NFC QBs.

Barnett and Kampman should have very good chances, they are leaders of a good defense and they make plays every week, and have good stats.

At least 1 CB should have a decent chance - problem is they don't get enough chances because QBs always seem to avoid them. Woodson is playing better right now I think but Harris has been good in coverage as well.

Bigby is probably playing just good enough to make it but I'd be really surprised if he got the league recognition already to make a pro bowl this year.

I don't think anyone else on the DL makes it, lots of good but not outstanding players and most of them don't play close to 100% of the snaps.

No one on offense sticks out either, even Driver is having a down year and is unlikely to make it.

johbur
10-20-2007, 02:11 PM
Right now, I have to go with:
Offense: Favre, Driver, not sure about the O-line. Prior to injury, I had thought Wells would have a shot. Maybe Clifton. Tausher hasn't previously gotten the respect and he's not having his best year. With how weak the run game is, not sure any lineman gets voted in. Donald Lee only has a shot if he triples his production.
Defense: Barnett having a great year, Kampman has a good shot, Woodson has some big plays that will stick in people's minds when voting. Harris does a good job, but with out the play-making numbers of picks or fumble recoveries, I don't think he makes it. Woodson also returns punts and got Defensive Player of the Week for the first time in his career. Not sure the DT rotation will get any love, due to the depth, but I love how Jolly is playing right now.KGB not likely given he's a situational rusher. Collins and Bigby don't have the numbers either.

Crosby recent three misses likely take him out of consideration and I don't think Ryan has a name as a big leg, though he punted very well against Chicago.

It will be interesting to see all those Pro-Bowlers from winning teams (Chicago) last year and if people will still vote them in, or if Dallas' and Green Bay's players will get more consideration as they are leading the NFC in wins at this point.

umphrey
10-20-2007, 06:06 PM
IMO pro bowl considerations go as follows:

Name > Reputation > Games won by team > Stats > Big plays > Play that year

gbpackers0065
10-20-2007, 06:20 PM
Atari Bigby, he's my hero.

NickCollins36
10-22-2007, 06:26 PM
Nick Collin Bethune Cookman!!!

Nitschke-Hawk
11-15-2007, 10:54 PM
http://packers.com/news/stories/2007/11/15/1/

The first release of selected voting rankings:

Favre, Barnett, and Woodson are leading their positions and are pretty much locks to make it.

Favre leads all vote getters. This is great and all. But look at everybody the Cowboys have. They truly are America's team and their fans fill up the ballots. They'll get like 10 or more and maybe 6 actually deserve it.

Jim Jim
11-16-2007, 09:52 AM
Brett Favre, Charles Woodson, Nick Barnett and Greg Jennings are my predictions.

neko4
11-16-2007, 09:55 AM
Driver is still on pace for 1000

GB12
11-16-2007, 03:17 PM
Brett Favre, Charles Woodson, Nick Barnett and Greg Jennings are my predictions.
I don't see how Kampman could possibly be kept out.

The Legend
11-16-2007, 03:58 PM
Brett Favre - 2750 Yards 1st NFL

Greg Jennings - 20 Avg 1st NFL

Charles Woodson - 3 Interceptions 10th NFL

Nick Barnett - 75 Tackles 7th NFL

Aaron Kampman - 9 Sacks 2nd NFL

Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila - 9 Sacks 2nd NFL

lod01
11-20-2007, 02:41 PM
Favre is a 100% lock for the Pro Bowl with Romo.

drowe
11-20-2007, 03:11 PM
Locks
Favre
Woodson
Kampman
Barnett

possible
Driver
Jennings
Clifton
Tauscher

outside chance
Hawk
Jenkins
Pickett
Harris

GB12
11-20-2007, 03:47 PM
Driver has no chance. He's definitely our best receiver and is still having a good year, but the TDs aren't there. If Jennings keeps this up he probably should and will get in.

Geo
11-23-2007, 01:06 PM
I screamed bloody murder when Al Harris didn't get the nod last year, especially when he was overlooked for Piece of Trash Disgustingly Wearing Deion Sanders' Number in Atlanta, but it looks like the injustice won't be repeated this year. As someone who regarded Harris as a Top 5 corner last year (and not everyone agreed), it's good to see he's getting more of the recognition he deserves now that Green Bay has a better record.

NickCollins36
12-13-2007, 06:48 PM
well it looks like the 2 people who have the biggest chance of goin now is Hawk and Favre

http://www.packersnews.com/includes/newspaper/blogs/insider/index.shtml

i dont understand how Hawk is higher than Barnett...

Boston
12-13-2007, 06:52 PM
well it looks like the 2 people who have the biggest chance of goin now is Hawk and Favre

http://www.packersnews.com/includes/newspaper/blogs/insider/index.shtml

i dont understand how Hawk is higher than Barnett...

Name recognition.

Whistler6
12-13-2007, 11:38 PM
Wow..talk about a bummer. AJ Hawk getting more votes than Barnett..

johbur
12-14-2007, 02:42 AM
It could also be the residual memory fans have from last year when AJ led the team in tackles.

Barnett also seems to have a good grasp of the voting when he refers to himself as an a-hole. I also think MLB a little tougher competition than OLB this year.

Nitschke-Hawk
12-14-2007, 02:56 PM
After the first voting was released midway through the season Barnett was number 1 at MLB I think. I think it went down because he hasn't had any big time interceptions lately, lol. I know Hawk is having an average season stats wise but he's asked to do so much the last couple months. 2/3's of the earth is covered by water, the rest is covered by Woodson, Harris, and Hawk. It's also hard to get a lot of tackles at outside linebacker when we've been beating up so many teams. They can't run the ball when they are losing by double digits.

He's given up less catches: less opportunities to tackle those guys, teams are running it less: less tackles, in coverage all the time: less tackles, less blitzes: less sacks. Kampman's tackles are down too because of this

I can't say that I'm surprised at Hawk getting a lot of votes, I was actually a little surprised he didn't make it last year. Betters stats and he was the 5th pick overall.

Coaches and players see how good our defense is the more games we have played.

My predictions before throwing in the other 2/3's of the vote-

Locks: Favre, Woodson, Harris. (I know they only take 3 CB's, but Harris was in the top 10 NFL defensive votes and has been considered better inside the league that Woodson has).

Pretty sure they will, like 90% sure: Barnett, Hawk, Kampman, Clifton.

75% chance one of these will: Driver or Jennings. One of them might sneak in over these guys on worse teams: Roddy White, Plax Burress, Bobby Engram, Colston, Galloway. They take 4 WR's, Owens, Fitzgerald, and Holt are locks. Burress has 10 TD's. I think he will be the 4th, but he won't play because of injury.

50 % chance 1 of them: Pickett (not a stats guy but I guarantee you interior lineman hate going against him), Williams (not even on the fan ballot but I'm sure coaches and players know all about him.) Darnell Dockett will be in, Tommie Harris is in but really banged up, Kevin Williams will be in, that guy is awesome. 3 sacks 2 INT's both for TD's and 8 passes defensed. Un-be-liev-able. The only way one of them gets in is if Pat Williams isn't voted in or doesn't play.

25 % chance: Bigby (yeah yeah I know, but he's got a ton of tackles and flies around plus he has a catchy name, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila (a name guy been there several times), Tauscher (if any right tackle deserves it it would be him), Donald Lee (he's got numbers that would make him a lock in a normal year for TE's)

NickCollins36
12-14-2007, 03:48 PM
0% chance for bigby

Nitschke-Hawk
12-14-2007, 05:28 PM
25 % is basically 0 % in a thing like this dude.

NickCollins36
12-14-2007, 05:38 PM
no because if you say 25 percent your saying he has a little bit of a chance
when in reality he has 0 percent chance to make it:)

Nitschke-Hawk
12-16-2007, 11:06 AM
If the voter is the type of voter that looks at stats, Bigby sticks out. 79 tackles is 4th amongst NFC Safeties. Has 2 INT's. 3 FF's ranks 3rd. and he's also on a great team.

NickCollins36
12-18-2007, 03:46 PM
http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/2007/12/18/four-going-to-pro-bowl.aspx
i woulda liked to see Barnett get on, but im happy with who made it
NICK COLLIN BETHUNE COOKMAN MADE the alternate list :p

The Legend
12-18-2007, 03:58 PM
im hoping that Newman get sick and cant make it so Woodson will make it :)

Boston
12-18-2007, 03:59 PM
Wow. Only four selections compared to the Cowboys 11, or the Vikings 7. That's pretty bad...but, hey, it's the pro bowl...

bearsfan_51
12-18-2007, 04:02 PM
Pretty sure they will, like 90% sure: Barnett, Hawk, Clifton.
How's that working out for ya?

ny10804
12-18-2007, 04:09 PM
Barnett not getting in is ridiculous. A rookie LB (Patrick Willis) racking up bunches of tackles on a crappy defense over a veteran who's been the key to a very good defense is horrible.

NickCollins36
12-18-2007, 04:09 PM
How's that working out for ya?

how was that game last night?

yo123
12-18-2007, 04:10 PM
Barnett not getting in is ridiculous. A rookie LB (Patrick Willis) racking up bunches of tackles on a crappy defense over a veteran who's been the key to a very good defense is horrible.




And its his fault everyone around him sucks? Should he line up at all 11 positions on the field? Would that make you happy?

bearsfan_51
12-18-2007, 04:10 PM
how was that game last night?
What a relevant comment. Holy **** my team sucks!?!? I haven't known that for about 10 weeks now.

What are you eight years old?

NickCollins36
12-18-2007, 04:15 PM
maybe i am maybe im not
its a secret ;)

Twiddler
12-18-2007, 04:15 PM
I really don't think its that big of a deal that guys like Barnett and Woodson didn't get in while Bubba Freakin' Franks managed to get on the alternates list. It's the Pro Bowl, its a huge joke. No one cares about what happens in it, I don't think that many people watch it, and we all how much the majority of people who vote for it know about the NFL. Yes, I would have liked to see Barnett and Woodson make it but what are you gonna do?

ny10804
12-18-2007, 04:26 PM
And its his fault everyone around him sucks? Should he line up at all 11 positions on the field? Would that make you happy?

Sure I guess, but I don't really see how that makes a difference. Point is Barnett's been making plays that matter and result in wins, while Willis has been making tons of tackles (that his sub par teammates are unable to make) in games where the 69ers are getting blown out.

Vikes99ej
12-18-2007, 04:33 PM
I really don't think its that big of a deal that guys like Barnett and Woodson didn't get in while Bubba Freakin' Franks managed to get on the alternates list. It's the Pro Bowl, its a huge joke. No one cares about what happens in it, I don't think that many people watch it, and we all how much the majority of people who vote for it know about the NFL. Yes, I would have liked to see Barnett and Woodson make it but what are you gonna do?

Bubba Franks over Donald Lee? That's rediculous.

Twiddler
12-18-2007, 05:30 PM
Bubba Franks over Donald Lee? That's rediculous.

Yep, its almost astonishing how little some voters know about the NFL. But oh well.

GB12
12-18-2007, 06:05 PM
What the hell does Charles Woodson have to do to get into the probowl? He's been deserving the past two years. Nick Barnett has been great since his rookie season. He's had 100+ tackles each year and this is his best out of all, he should be there. How Lofa Tatupu gets a crazy amount of love and Barnett gets nothing is rediculous. I love ya DD, but Greg Jennings should be there over him for this year, and Woodson should be over Harris. After not making it in his first 10 years Harris is overdue for the probowl, but they didn't pick a particularly good year for it.

GB12
12-18-2007, 06:07 PM
Bubba Franks over Donald Lee? That's rediculous.

Yep, its almost astonishing how little some voters know about the NFL. But oh well.
Both were named as alternates, but I haven't been able to find an order. I'm positive Lee is ahead of him on that list though. Bubba still should not even be on the list since he hasn't played in like 6 weeks.

GB12
12-18-2007, 06:10 PM
How's that working out for ya?
Clifton and Barnett were named first alternates...




Woodson joins them as a first alternate. Hawk, Jenning, Lee, Wells, Grant, Collins, and Franks are unspecified alternates.

bearsfan_51
12-18-2007, 06:14 PM
Clifton and Barnett were named first alternates...




Woodson joins them as a first alternate. Hawk, Jenning, Lee, Wells, Grant, Collins, and Franks are unspecified alternates.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that when he said he was 90% sure they would make the pro-bowl, he wasn't talking about as alternates.

GB12
12-18-2007, 06:20 PM
I know, just saying.

Whistler6
12-18-2007, 06:33 PM
Sure I guess, but I don't really see how that makes a difference. Point is Barnett's been making plays that matter and result in wins, while Willis has been making tons of tackles (that his sub par teammates are unable to make) in games where the 69ers are getting blown out.

preach it brother..

Nitschke-Hawk
12-18-2007, 07:03 PM
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that when he said he was 90% sure they would make the pro-bowl, he wasn't talking about as alternates.

When you look at the fact that the Packers only have 4 starters, CLEARLY they should be there, I don't even care in a serious manner anyways until this thing isn't a joke anymore. It's the only way to acknowledge the best in the NFL Conferences and it isn't correct. There needs to be a committee formed that specifically decides the best in each conference. The rosters also need to be larger, a 53 man roster, not 45 or whatever.

bearsfan_51
12-18-2007, 07:05 PM
When you look at the fact that the Packers only have 4 starters, CLEARLY they should be there, I don't even care in a serious manner anyways until this thing isn't a joke anymore. It's the only way to acknowledge the best in the NFL Conferences and it isn't correct. There needs to be a committee formed that specifically decides the best in each conference. The rosters also need to be larger, a 53 man roster, not 45 or whatever.
Is it really that big of a deal? I mean, the difference between most of the guys that got in and didn't get in isn't that great. You could certainly make a case for Barnett (or hell even Urlacher or E.J Henderson) over Willis and Tatupu, but it's not like either of those players are undeserving as well.

I'm just busting your sack because you ended up being dead ass wrong, but it's not like it really matters at the end of the day.

Nitschke-Hawk
12-18-2007, 07:39 PM
Is it really that big of a deal? I mean, the difference between most of the guys that got in and didn't get in isn't that great. You could certainly make a case for Barnett (or hell even Urlacher or E.J Henderson) over Willis and Tatupu, but it's not like either of those players are undeserving as well.

I'm just busting your sack because you ended up being dead ass wrong, but it's not like it really matters at the end of the day.

I think we should have a true way of documenting who is truly the best. It's probably wishful thinking but it can be done. That All Pro team or whatever isn't enough because it's only starters voted on by writers. There should be a 1st team, 2nd team, maybe even a 3rd team and it doesn't have to be a game. The Pro Bowl should just really be a game voted by the fans if anything at all. Outside of Hawk they should have been on the 1st team roster.