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Shiver
10-17-2007, 02:46 PM
He is making his first start this Sunday according to ESPN. I guess they have to try something to fix the offense.

Flyboy
10-17-2007, 02:47 PM
If we are able to generate the same type of pressure on him that we placed on Seattle, I'd be thrilled.

thefalconer
10-17-2007, 03:01 PM
this is gonna be a bad game. saints finally got rolling last wk and are carry momentum against division rival. this is gonna be a long season.

fenikz
10-17-2007, 06:02 PM
Any chance you will be releasing him? because we really need a QB in AZ right now

Twiddler
10-17-2007, 08:35 PM
I know I'm not a Falcons fan and do not follow you guys that closely but I get the feeling that this is just a move in order to have "change for the sake of change" as I think other things are deeper problems in Atlanta. When watching Joey last Monday, it seemed to me like most of the blame for the game falls on his receivers practically not being able to catch the plague in The Black Death and a decimated line struggling to get him any worthwhile protection. Now add in Byron's slow release and slow well, everything, and it seems to be a recipe for disaster. Maybe its just me, what are the thoughts of you true Falcons fans and not that of a casual observer like me?

The Unseen
10-17-2007, 08:40 PM
I'm just waiting for Jaguars fans who were anti-Leftwich to jump on him like a pack of ravenous wolves. Oy.

Geo
10-17-2007, 08:52 PM
I've long gone on record as saying that I think Leftwich will never win a playoff game in his career, as a starter anyways. That was some time before Jack Del Rio won the power struggle against Shack Harris in Jacksonville, making the team a whole lot better by finally ridding the franchise of the shackles of Leftwich and giving the reins to talented quarterback David Garrard.

Leftwich isn't the future in Atlanta, thankfully. But he's yet another concerted effort by Bobby Petrino to throw games so that the Falcons can get the franchise quarterback they want come April.

Shiver
10-17-2007, 09:19 PM
I hate that you keep saying Petrino is "throwing games." It's a stupid and baseless claim. It isn't as if he needs to put any effort into making the current roster a loser. The talent just isn't there. You could put Vince Lombardi at HC, Bill Belicheck at DC, Bill Walsh at OC, and have them give it their all and you would probably only have a six win team.

Geo
10-17-2007, 09:35 PM
That's bull, look at how he's using the players. Dunn is a great person, but he's just about washed up as a player if he's not already. Yet he's getting all of the carries instead of a (gasp) very talented youngster in Norwood. When the running game is a young/struggling offense's best method of success, even young pup Lane Kiffin oin Oakland knows that. Inexplicable.

The best defense against Alge Cumpler this season has been Bobby Petrino, I've never seen Crumpler so ineffective. I didn't know the Falcons even had another tight end on the roster who could catch the ball, nevermind bringing him in the game with the endzone 30 yards or so away. That's laughable.

Crumpler has it right when he's calling out the offensive coaching staff's decisions. Of all the possible kickers to sign, Morten Anderson? Come on, Shiver. Leftwich had no business coming into the Titans game, until Petrino realized they might actually win that game and he had to fix that. Boy did he ever.

And now, with an offensive line that is having difficulty protecting the quarterback, with two rookie offensive tackles, they start Leftwich who has, what, four weeks under his belt in Petrino's belt? Screw that, the Falcons are tanking the season. They aren't making it too obvious, but the damn writing is on the wall.

Shiver
10-17-2007, 09:52 PM
1. According to you he's intentionally using over the hill Warrick Dunn to "lose" games. However, he's already under accusations of phasing out veterans to get young players ready. Jerious Norwood is hardly ready. He sucks at pass protection, (see Giants game), and isn't built to handle a high workload. Do I think he needs to be used more? Sure, but I don't think if he was on the field more than Dunn it would have any impact on the W-L column.

2. Alge Crumpler is not that good of a TE. He calls out the coaching staff and proceeds to drop passes in the MNF game that killed drives. It's called leading by example Alge. Not to mention he's grossly overweight this season. He's being called Alge "Fatlanta" Crumpler right now. The only reason he put up good stats is Michael Vick was unable to throw to anyone else in the entire offense. He's always had a low catch percentage and drops way too many passes. Combine that with his weight issues that are tied in with his chronic knee injuries, Alge Crumpler has no right to blame anyone else.

3. Your point about the Titans game is absurd and once again shows no understanding of context. Petrino "needed to fix the game"? Are you joking? Harrington had just thrown a pick six and the Falcons were down by seven and the offense had not scored a touchdown all game. There was no indications that the offense was doing anything with Harrington, so they might as well put in Leftwich and get him some work. Only by the luck and the Titans' blunders did the team have a chance at the end. Then again working under the assumption that Joey ****** Harrington would have done anything better is absurd. I know you hate Leftwich, but come on! He is much better than Joey Harrington.

4. The Falcons' team is in a rebuilding stage. To insinuate that the coach has some diabolical "tanking" strategy is ridiculous. No coach in the league could win with the roster as it is currently constructed. They have rookies starting all over the roster.

Geo
10-17-2007, 10:10 PM
So Petrino somehow manages to phase out every productive veteran except the unproductive one who has a superior backup (Norwood). Yeah, that sounds right.

I love how Alge Crumpler somehow went from the most consistent and productive Atlanta Falcons offensive player to a complete bum who shouldn't see the field. Ho boy, what a difference four freaking months make.

Harrington isn't a leader of men, to be brutally honest. That's why he'll likely never be successful in the league, barring an ideal situation. But nevermind how flawed Leftwich is, he had no buisiness going into that Titans game unless Harrington was injured. When a few weeks before he was sitting on his couch, he wasn't going to do any good. The Falcons defense was keeping the offense in that game, the reason the Titans got a pick six wasn't as much Harrington's fault as it was a receiver's bobble.

Personally, I'm not a fan of the tactic of tanking the season for the top draft pick. I know some advocate it, and heck, it helped the Colts like crazy in 1998 to have the first overall pick and draft Manning. But it just rubs me the wrong way, very much so.

I disliked it when the Houston Texans did it in 2005 by having their kicker Kris Brown throw games, to win the "Reggie Bush sweepstakes."

fenikz
10-17-2007, 10:55 PM
I disliked it when the Houston Texans did it in 2005 by having their kicker Kris Brown throw games, to win the "Mario Williams sweepstakes."

fixed it for ya

Shiver
10-18-2007, 01:36 AM
So Petrino somehow manages to phase out every productive veteran except the unproductive one who has a superior backup (Norwood). Yeah, that sounds right.

Alge Crumpler's words, not mine.

I love how Alge Crumpler somehow went from the most consistent and productive Atlanta Falcons offensive player to a complete bum who shouldn't see the field. Ho boy, what a difference four freaking months make.I have been saying Alge Crumpler is overrated for a while now. He was a productive of Michael Vick's inability to read defenses and throw to anybody else. He's also had injuries recently and therefore isn't in top football shape. He has been good, but I've always laughed when I see him make people's top-5 TE rankings.

Harrington isn't a leader of men, to be brutally honest. That's why he'll likely never be successful in the league, barring an ideal situation. But nevermind how flawed Leftwich is, he had no buisiness going into that Titans game unless Harrington was injured. When a few weeks before he was sitting on his couch, he wasn't going to do any good. The Falcons defense was keeping the offense in that game, the reason the Titans got a pick six wasn't as much Harrington's fault as it was a receiver's bobble.That's your opinion. However, the team didn't sign Leftwich to sit behind Joey Harrington. At that point it was clear Harrington wasn't doing anything, so why not get Leftwich some work? There is a big difference between that and doing it to intentionally lose.

Personally, I'm not a fan of the tactic of tanking the season for the top draft pick. I know some advocate it, and heck, it helped the Colts like crazy in 1998 to have the first overall pick and draft Manning. But it just rubs me the wrong way, very much so.

I disliked it when the Houston Texans did it in 2005 by having their kicker Kris Brown throw games, to win the "Reggie Bush sweepstakes."
That's funny, considering Houston didn't even draft Reggie Bush.

ATLDirtyBirds
10-18-2007, 04:49 AM
I know I'm not a Falcons fan and do not follow you guys that closely but I get the feeling that this is just a move in order to have "change for the sake of change" as I think other things are deeper problems in Atlanta. When watching Joey last Monday, it seemed to me like most of the blame for the game falls on his receivers practically not being able to catch the plague in The Black Death and a decimated line struggling to get him any worthwhile protection. Now add in Byron's slow release and slow well, everything, and it seems to be a recipe for disaster. Maybe its just me, what are the thoughts of you true Falcons fans and not that of a casual observer like me?


Our line isn't good, but our WR have been good most of the year. A few of Joey's sacks come from him curling up under presssure and just holding onto the ball to long.

D-Rod
10-18-2007, 08:07 AM
It is totally ridiculous to suggest that our coach is tanking the season to get the QB he wants. Shiver, I admire your attempt to reason with him, but sometimes you just have to let it go.

I'm not that hopeful about the change. What we need is someone to get rid of it quickly. That's never exactly been Byron's modus operandi. But Harrington wasn't getting it done, so why not give Byron a chance? We shall see what results. At least the first defense he'll face is not exactly the steel curtain...

DraftMichaelHuff
10-18-2007, 08:18 AM
Byron Leftwich is the prefered option. WOW. We really are screwed. This guys release makes me angry. A guy is open, but by the time the ball is gone the guy is no longer open.

Bad move by Petrino in my opinion. Harrington is not the problem, if the line does its job he has shown me nothing to think that he cant play like he did against the Texans and Panthers week in week out. The problem is the fate of our team lies with the Offensive Line, the weakest group on the team.

It's simple, cant runblock -> must pass-> cant passblock -> hurry -> sack-> INT-> lose-> bench the QB.

And to think quite a few were convinced we had an above average O Line at the start of the year. Anytime you have Wayne Gandy as your planned starting LT you would never hear me utter the worlds "above average" or even "average"

Twiddler
10-18-2007, 09:28 AM
Okay so I can pretty easily see that it is a change that needed to be made based on a psychological standpoint and stuff like that but am I the only one who thought it was a little premature for Leftwich to be proclaimed the starter for the rest of the year? I mean, in my mind, he's going to do worse than Joey, no doubt. He's slower, his release is much slower, he has had only over a month in the offense(even though Joey's isn't too long, its still long enough), and his touch really isn't an upgrade over Joey if you ask me. Basically my question is, are they going to be regretting this "rest of the year" crap?

JPLUFF
10-18-2007, 10:03 AM
Yeah from what I've seen of Byron and Joey, and after watching the game on Monday night, Byron will get murdered behind that O-Line.

But...what's there to lose?

JDB7821
10-18-2007, 03:06 PM
Fun fact: Michael Vick has thrown for 20 touchdowns in a season. Leftwich has not. That honestly surprised me when I saw that. I never see Jaguars games, but before he was cut I thought he was a decent quarterback. Apparently Vick was better.

Shiver
10-18-2007, 03:14 PM
Fun fact: Byron Leftwich had a season where he had a 3:1 TD/INT ratio and a passer rating of 89.3. So in no way is Michael Vick "better" in any regards as a passer. Vick even got sacked more, even if that doesn't make any sense.

BamaFalcon59
10-20-2007, 02:56 PM
Ugh, bad move. Like someone said it seems like a move to make a move. Harrington, IMO, is a much better fit for Petrino's offense. Quicker release, rythem passer. Leftwich has a very slow release and is a stone in the pocket. With only 2 players currently starting (McClure and Forney) who have sufficient experience.

Harrington has done his job for the most part when he has time.

Shiver
10-20-2007, 03:00 PM
Harrington has frozen far too many times. While the O-Line is hardly stable right now, Harrington has David Carr syndrome.

Shiver
10-21-2007, 06:53 PM
Leftwich actually looked really good and surprise! He got hurt. That's always been his problem and he was stricken again.

d34ng3l021
10-21-2007, 08:29 PM
Just when our offense was clicking and looking good.

iloxygenil
10-22-2007, 12:47 PM
Very Sad...but Joey did a fine job, just really lacks the arm strength to make a lot of throws. Byron gave us that, but we need better OL play...which we can't have now with Foster out too...

BamaFalcon59
10-24-2007, 06:41 PM
Harrington doesn't have a huge arm, but it's good enough. His deep ball has been very on-point this year. Just too inconsistent and slow to react.

georgiafan
10-30-2007, 10:20 AM
He is ahead of schedule according to the AJC today

iloxygenil
10-30-2007, 01:44 PM
Byron is saying 1 week til he's ready, I mean he's already up walking and practicing...this guy is a trooper...wonder why he didn't fit in jax...

Shiver
10-30-2007, 02:39 PM
Leftwich's problem is he's always hurt. If he can come back and look good for the last stretch then I say that allows the team to go OL/RB in the 1st round and draft a round 2 guy like an Erik Ainge, Colt Brennan type.

SeanTaylorRIP
10-30-2007, 02:41 PM
Byron is saying 1 week til he's ready, I mean he's already up walking and practicing...this guy is a trooper...wonder why he didn't fit in jax...

Biggest reason was probably because his backup is a much better QB, that and he was a bad fit, Del rio wants a mobile QB who can keep pass plays alive by moving in the pocket. Leftwich is a sitting duck and has the slowest release ever, but when he does get it out he is solid though.