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regoob2
02-06-2007, 09:56 PM
Will Steve Nash 3 peat. Will Gilbert Arenas win his first. Can Kobe's new "team ball" get him one. Will dirk bring home the trophy? In your opinon who wins? Could possibly Lebron or Melo win it also? If you dont think one of these, tell who you think.
dcrls
02-06-2007, 10:00 PM
if it's steve nash again, im gonna kill someone, but it's probally, definitely should be gilbert arenas, with steve nash following behind him
Steve Nash probably deserves it, but I'd like to see someone else win it.
yodapoop
02-06-2007, 10:09 PM
Dwyane Wade and Shaq diserve co MVPs.
comahan
02-06-2007, 10:09 PM
Agentttttttttt Zerooooooooo
Steve Nash will win it. But I have faith in my dude Gilberto
sdpads24
02-06-2007, 10:15 PM
You guys remember that day a couple weeks ago when Kobe outplayed Gilbert right?
You guys remember that day a couple weeks ago when Kobe outplayed Gilbert right?You remember that day a couple weeks ago when Gilbert dropped 60 on the lakers and beat them in OT right? BE QUIET
sdpads24
02-06-2007, 10:18 PM
You guys remember that day a couple weeks ago when Kobe outplayed Gilbert right?You remember that day a couple weeks ago when Gilbert dropped 60 on the lakers and beat them in OT right? BE QUIET
So if you had the #1 overall pick and could choose either Kobe or Gilbert, you would choose Gilbert?
comahan
02-06-2007, 10:18 PM
You guys remember that day a couple weeks ago when Kobe outplayed Gilbert right?You remember that day a couple weeks ago when Gilbert dropped 60 on the lakers and beat them in OT right? BE QUIET
So if you had the #1 overall pick and could choose either Kobe or Gilbert, you would choose Gilbert?
Its the best player this season, not the player who is better overall.
You guys remember that day a couple weeks ago when Kobe outplayed Gilbert right?You remember that day a couple weeks ago when Gilbert dropped 60 on the lakers and beat them in OT right? BE QUIET
So if you had the #1 overall pick and could choose either Kobe or Gilbert, you would choose Gilbert?
That's not even relevant to this.
sdpads24
02-06-2007, 10:20 PM
Ok it's hard to argue against all you east coast guys
comahan
02-06-2007, 10:21 PM
Ok it's hard to argue against all you east coast guys
Kobe is my favorite player in the league, and the best player in the league imo.
And I live in Missouri, that is not east coast.
You guys remember that day a couple weeks ago when Kobe outplayed Gilbert right?You remember that day a couple weeks ago when Gilbert dropped 60 on the lakers and beat them in OT right? BE QUIET
So if you had the #1 overall pick and could choose either Kobe or Gilbert, you would choose Gilbert? Hmmm funny how you ignored my comment on your ignorance based on your first statement.
1. This is not who do you take first in a draft thread, its MVP of this season.
2. Gilbert is the most valuable player to his team in this league right now IMO.
3. Call me a homer but id take Gilbert over Kobe right now. Younger,plays a more essential position, and he just keeps getting better and better.
Ok it's hard to argue against all you east coast guys
You sound like Tubby.
Chucky
02-06-2007, 10:23 PM
Steve Nash is the obvious choice, the wizards arent good enough for arenas to win it. ALSO, GIVE CB4 some love, at least put him on there instead of melo
sdpads24
02-06-2007, 10:24 PM
Im just throwing this out there, but I think the wizards would still make the playoffs without Gilbert. Take Kobe from the Lakers, and you have one of the worst teams in basketball
Steve Nash is the obvious choice, the wizards arent good enough for arenas to win it. ALSO, GIVE CB4 some love, at least put him on there instead of melo1st place in the eastern conference isnt good enough?
comahan
02-06-2007, 10:24 PM
Oh it'll probably be Nash, and he deserves it.. but he doesnt need another one!
yodapoop
02-06-2007, 10:25 PM
Seriously, I gotta give it to Gilbert. Where would the Wizards be without him? (I know the same can be asked for Kobe, but still......)
Oh it'll probably be Nash, and he deserves it.. but he doesnt need another one!He deserves it this year just not the 2 previous years 8) I cant argue against Nash thats my 2nd favorite team. But theres no way i can vote against my man Gilbert.
comahan
02-06-2007, 10:28 PM
Oh it'll probably be Nash, and he deserves it.. but he doesnt need another one!He deserves it this year just not the 2 previous years 8) I cant argue against Nash thats my 2nd favorite team. But theres no way i can vote against my man Gilbert.
Yea, Shaq should have won 2 years ago, and Kobe should have won last year.
sdpads24
02-06-2007, 10:30 PM
Oh it'll probably be Nash, and he deserves it.. but he doesnt need another one!He deserves it this year just not the 2 previous years 8) I cant argue against Nash thats my 2nd favorite team. But theres no way i can vote against my man Gilbert.
Yea, Shaq should have won 2 years ago, and Kobe should have won last year.
Kobe got snubbed last year.
sdpads24
02-06-2007, 10:31 PM
Ok it's hard to argue against all you east coast guys
You sound like Tubby.
thats a low blow
If Shaqs return vaults the Heat back into contention he needs the crown
Tubby
02-06-2007, 11:07 PM
Ok it's hard to argue against all you east coast guys
You sound like Tubby.
other than the words "east coast", that sounds nothing like me. I dont find difficulty in arguing with anybody except for njx, but thats a different story.
Ok it's hard to argue against all you east coast guys
You sound like Tubby.
other than the words "east coast", that sounds nothing like me. I dont find difficulty in arguing with anybody except for njx, but thats a different story.
Using east coast bias as reasoning in an arguement sounds exactly like you.
Tubby
02-06-2007, 11:13 PM
Ok it's hard to argue against all you east coast guys
You sound like Tubby.
other than the words "east coast", that sounds nothing like me. I dont find difficulty in arguing with anybody except for njx, but thats a different story.
Using east coast bias as reasoning in an arguement sounds exactly like you.
I use east coast media bias as an explanation for why certain things are happening, not as an argument. You should do your research.
EDIT:
What I WILL say:
Whose Isaiah Stanback lolYou dont know who Isaiah Stanback is because the east coast media doesnt want you to know who he is.
What I WONT say:
Whose Isaiah Stanback lolYOU DONT KNOW BECAUSE YOURE FROM THE EAST COAST
thetedginnshow
02-06-2007, 11:35 PM
Of course there's an east coast bias, but that's a given... and also has nothing to do with this. This place just happens to have a crush on Arenas.
Brodeur
02-07-2007, 02:22 PM
Kobe deserved it last year, but I'm not so sure this year. Dirk is still someone I would consider being the best player on the best team in the league. Right now I'm really undecided, and I'll wait until the end of the year until I'm certain.
princefielder28
02-07-2007, 03:24 PM
I would say Gilbert becuase Washington is right up there in the East and it's mainly b/c of him
alca1992
02-07-2007, 07:03 PM
i say gilbert but why is this in the fantasy section
sdpads24
02-07-2007, 07:14 PM
i say gilbert but why is this in the fantasy section
I think it got moved here from Off-Topic but I have no idea why
jets future
02-08-2007, 11:55 AM
Kobe, he is doing it for the team, he is being a more team player and i think he deserves it.
sweetness34
02-14-2007, 09:05 AM
Kobe, he is doing it for the team, he is being a more team player and i think he deserves it.
They were something like 3-0 without him early in the year. :?
Phoenix has folded since Nash has been out. You do the math.
And btw, Gilbert has laid an egg in the past couple games after his recent hot streak.
I'll give it to Dirk, just because Nash has won it the past 2 seasons. :lol:
I think it's obvious that Steve Nash deserves it again. I know people are sick of him winning it, but no one is more valuable to their team than Nash is.
jets future
02-14-2007, 11:01 AM
Kobe, he is doing it for the team, he is being a more team player and i think he deserves it.
They were something like 3-0 without him early in the year. :?
Phoenix has folded since Nash has been out. You do the math.
And btw, Gilbert has laid an egg in the past couple games after his recent hot streak.
I'll give it to Dirk, just because Nash has won it the past 2 seasons. :lol:
well then shaq should of won two years ago, cus when he left the lakers fell apart.
sdpads24
02-14-2007, 11:53 PM
If the T-wolves make the playoffs, there should be some consideration for KG
KCJ58
02-15-2007, 12:11 AM
Kobe Bryant hands down
look at what the suns are doing without Nash.... easily Steve Nash
sweetness34
02-15-2007, 08:01 PM
Kobe Bryant hands down
Hell no. I'd vote Dirk, Gilbert, and Steve over Kobe.
It has to be Nash. His team has fallen apart since he's been out. That and his numbers are even better than last year.
And after watching him play against us this season, it's a no brainer. The guy is amazing. Tore us apart.
Dirk! The main player for the best team in the NBA.
Go Dallas!
thetedginnshow
02-16-2007, 01:23 AM
Speaking of the NBA, we should do another fantasy mock here sometime soon...
Chris Bosh should be in this poll.
You guys remember that day a couple weeks ago when Kobe outplayed Gilbert right?You remember that day a couple weeks ago when Gilbert dropped 60 on the lakers and beat them in OT right? BE QUIET YOU JUST GOT PUT ON HUSHMOUTH
yo123
02-19-2007, 04:08 PM
There is no reason Steve Nash shouldnt win hes been better than ever this year.
I think Nash is more deserving, but I see Gilbert winning this one in the end simply due to Nash winning it two year in a row already
frogstomp
02-19-2007, 05:35 PM
As has been said, Nash deserves it, but probably won't win it.
If Nash does win, HOF lock?
MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
02-19-2007, 05:43 PM
As has been said, Nash deserves it, but probably won't win it.
If Nash does win, HOF lock?
If he wins 3 MVPs in a row, I'd say definitely. Even though he'd be the worst 3-time MVP of all-time. He might deserve this one, but probably not the other 2. I say imagine J-Kidd in his prime playing for this team, they'd be even better, since Kidd played defense.
Ho0k Em'
02-19-2007, 05:52 PM
I gotta go with Paul Pierce on this one. The Celtic wouldn't win a single game without him.
:D :D
Im_a_Romosexual
02-19-2007, 05:59 PM
Steve Nash deserves it but im not sure he'll get it for the third consecutive time
Steve Nash deserves it but im not sure he'll get it for the third consecutive timeyea I think alot of people get tired of him winning it evry tyme. I think Gilbert or Dirk should get it.
KCJ58
02-19-2007, 06:40 PM
KOBE BRYANT!
http://www.cbc.ca/cp/nba/061122/v11229A.jpg
JagHombre22
02-19-2007, 07:37 PM
gilbert has his team a lowly three games up in the worst division in basketball...he was supposedly going to be the MVP of the allstar game last night, especially since his coach was the East All Star coach...Gilbert is just a sideshow who wants to be a star....no way he wins MVP or should he...
gilbert has his team a lowly three games up in the worst division in basketball...he was supposedly going to be the MVP of the allstar game last night, especially since his coach was the East All Star coach...Gilbert is just a sideshow who wants to be a star....no way he wins MVP or should he... The atlantic division is the worst division in basketball smart guy not the southeast you're from Florida you should know this (same division as Miami and Orlando). Actually that really shows how much you know about the NBA you dont even know the teams that play in your home teams division. How is a sideshow 2nd in the league in scoring? A side show is someone like George Muersan or Manute Bol. Another question how many games would the Wiz have won without Gilbert? He is already a star in the league so I dont know how hes a "wannabe" Someone needs to brush up on their knowledge of basketball.
dlions20
02-19-2007, 08:17 PM
If I shot as much as Gilbert i could be an All Star.
yo123
02-19-2007, 08:19 PM
If I shot as much as Gilbert i could be an All Star.
well if you make as many as he does....you should shoot a lot.
dlions20
02-19-2007, 08:20 PM
How is a sideshow 2nd in the league in scoring?
Hes taken over Kobes spot as the biggest ball hog in the NBA.
Ill take Iverson, Wade, Carmelo, Kobe, Lebron, anyday if i want a scorer. And when all those guys are healthy and on there game are way betetr than Gilbert at scoring.
Gilbert is a side show. Your a homer.
dlions20
02-19-2007, 08:23 PM
well if you make as many as he does....you should shoot a lot.
he has a .418 FG%, thats hardly good. Maybe ok, but even when Lebron has struggled the entire year, he still has a .472 FG%. And shoots less per game. Lebron is a SF and has the same amount of assist. Lebron gets more rebounds etc.....even for an off year.
Lebron dominates Gilbert when there teams play, Gilbert hasnt taken his team anywhere in the playoffs, losing the first round every year. And hes really gotten cocky lately, even saying he would be MVP of the all star game. What happened? Lebron carried that team and Gilbert had 8 pts!
My vote goes to Dirk or Kobe. Kobes new team game (forced upon him) has made his entire team better. Dirk is on the best team and is the best player on that team, and really puts up the stats....
yo123
02-19-2007, 08:24 PM
How is a sideshow 2nd in the league in scoring?
Hes taken over Kobes spot as the biggest ball hog in the NBA.
Ill take Iverson, Wade, Carmelo, Kobe, Lebron, anyday if i want a scorer. And when all those guys are healthy and on there game are way betetr than Gilbert at scoring.
Gilbert is a side show. Your a homer.
I agree with you that he is slightly overrated. And i would take Wade, Lebron, and Kobe over Gilbert out of the guys you mentioned. But the Wizards need him to shoot to win, Arenas understands that, so he shoots a lot. I'd put him as the 5th best player in the league right now.
1. Steve Nash
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Lebron James
4. Dwyane Wade
5. Gilbert Arenas
yo123
02-19-2007, 08:25 PM
[quote]well if you make as many as he does....you should shoot a lot.
he has a .418 FG%, thats hardly good. Maybe ok, but even when Lebron has struggled the entire year, he still has a .472 FG%. And shoots less per game. Lebron is a SF and has the same amount of assist. Lebron gets more rebounds etc.....even for an off year.
Lebron dominates Gilbert when there teams play, Gilbert hasnt taken his team anywhere in the playoffs, losing the first round every year. And hes really gotten cocky lately, even saying he would be MVP of the all star game. What happened? Lebron carried that team and Gilbert had 8 pts![/
Are you seriously using the all star game stats to rate players talent?
dlions20
02-19-2007, 08:29 PM
Are you seriously using the all star game stats to rate players talent?
If you think I am then rethink your thought. i wasnt, I used the all star game to point out that hes overrated when the big boys come into play.
He tried to be a ball hog in the all star game and couldnt do it, so others had to carry the load (lebron, howard).
Gilbert said he would score 50 against Portland and what happened? He said he would be the all star MVP, what happened? The guy is a talker. Even Eddie Jordan admited he didnt want him on the team at first.
He couldnt make the team USA for simular reasons.
None of this is ment to take away the good season he is having, just pointing out he isnt anything special compared to the great players currently.
well if you make as many as he does....you should shoot a lot.
he has a .418 FG%, thats hardly good. Maybe ok, but even when Lebron has struggled the entire year, he still has a .472 FG%. And shoots less per game. Lebron is a SF and has the same amount of assist. Lebron gets more rebounds etc.....even for an off year.
Lebron dominates Gilbert when there teams play, Gilbert hasnt taken his team anywhere in the playoffs, losing the first round every year. And hes really gotten cocky lately, even saying he would be MVP of the all star game. What happened? Lebron carried that team and Gilbert had 8 pts!
My vote goes to Dirk or Kobe. Kobes new team game (forced upon him) has made his entire team better. Dirk is on the best team and is the best player on that team, and really puts up the stats.... Ok, First... The wizards were one of the worst teams in the league before we got Gilbert and since than we have done a 180. Second of all...He made it to the second round of the playoffs year before last. Third, I am far from a homer, In fact in this thread I believe I said Steve Nash should win the MVP. So again, you people need to get your facts straight before you go blabbing on about false statements.
Are you seriously using the all star game stats to rate players talent?
If you think I am then rethink your thought. i wasnt, I used the all star game to point out that hes overrated when the big boys come into play.
He tried to be a ball hog in the all star game and couldnt do it, so others had to carry the load (lebron, howard).
Gilbert said he would score 50 against Portland and what happened? He said he would be the all star MVP, what happened? The guy is a talker. Even Eddie Jordan admited he didnt want him on the team at first.
He couldnt make the team USA for simular reasons.
None of this is ment to take away the good season he is having, just pointing out he isnt anything special compared to the great players currently. So if a player talks crap and is cocky that makes them bad? Someone should tell Chad Johnson he sucks and should quit playing football.
A-Dub4President
02-19-2007, 08:38 PM
I think that my main requirement in the MVP voting is whether or not the player's team is a championship contender, so Gilbert is out. Steve Nash should win it for his third time, the Suns are a lottery team without him, and (most importantly) a championship contender with him.
Like I posted in the NBA Thread
Suns record with Steve Nash: 37-2
Suns record without Nash: 2-10
It better be a threepeat
I think that my main requirement in the MVP voting is whether or not the player's team is a championship contender, so Gilbert is out. Steve Nash should win it for his third time, the Suns are a lottery team without him, and (most importantly) a championship contender with him. The suns are a playoff team without Nash. They still have Marion, Stoudemire, Bell, Barbosa and Diaw. With Thomas, Jones, Rose, Banks all off the bench Thats playoff caliber team IMO Not a championship caliber but defintley playoffs.
dlions20
02-19-2007, 08:49 PM
So if a player talks crap and is cocky that makes them bad? Someone should tell Chad Johnson he sucks and should quit playing football.
I never said Arenas is bad. I said hes overrated. And not an MVP in my eyes.
The Wizards had Butler Jamison and at one point a solid Larry Hughes when they made it to RD2, thats hardly a job that Arenas had to do himself.
When Arenas puts himself in the spotlight he crumbles (all star game, playoffs vs. Cavs, game against Portland etc..).
Its hard for me to give Nash a 3 peat because i dont feel hes that great, but he hasnt done anything to not deserve it again.
Nash will most likely win it again.
I know he has no chance of winning it, but Chris Bosh deserves to be in this poll/discussion. He's more of an MVP than Carmelo "can't keep my hands to myself" Anthony.
dlions20
02-19-2007, 08:51 PM
They still have Marion, Stoudemire, Bell, Barbosa and Diaw
marion wasnt great before he partnered with Nash. Amare is good. Bell, Barbosa, and Diaw all beniefit from nash and without him might not be as good as they are now.
Diaw wasnt good with the Hawks. Bell never was this good.
dlions20
02-19-2007, 08:52 PM
Its funny, before the fight Melo might have been the favorite and a gaurantee to make the all stars.
dlions20
02-19-2007, 08:55 PM
Ok, First... The wizards were one of the worst teams in the league before we got Gilbert and since than we have done a 180. Second of all...He made it to the second round of the playoffs year before last. Third, I am far from a homer, In fact in this thread I believe I said Steve Nash should win the MVP. So again, you people need to get your facts straight before you go blabbing on about false statements.
You make it sound like Gilbert is the reason. Lebron is the only reason the Cavs are good. The Wizards had Jamison (once all star) Butler (all star) and Gilbert (all star), Eddie Jordan (an all star coach) and at one point larry Hughes (2nd in D-MVP voting), to go along with an ok supporting cast.
To say Gilbert turned that franchise around by himself is comical.
A-Dub4President
02-19-2007, 08:56 PM
I think that my main requirement in the MVP voting is whether or not the player's team is a championship contender, so Gilbert is out. Steve Nash should win it for his third time, the Suns are a lottery team without him, and (most importantly) a championship contender with him. The suns are a playoff team without Nash. They still have Marion, Stoudemire, Bell, Barbosa and Diaw. With Thomas, Jones, Rose, Banks all off the bench Thats playoff caliber team IMO Not a championship caliber but defintley playoffs.
We got whipped by Chicago, Atlanta, and Seattle. Not really the mark of the playoff team. Plus we're 4-11 without Nash. Nash is having a better year than his last year, and the team is performing just as well with him in the line up. Right now, the only other person who has a legitimate shot of winning it is Dirk Nowitzki.
So if a player talks crap and is cocky that makes them bad? Someone should tell Chad Johnson he sucks and should quit playing football.
I never said Arenas is bad. I said hes overrated. And not an MVP in my eyes.
The Wizards had Butler Jamison and at one point a solid Larry Hughes when they made it to RD2, thats hardly a job that Arenas had to do himself.
When Arenas puts himself in the spotlight he crumbles (all star game, playoffs vs. Cavs, game against Portland etc..).
Its hard for me to give Nash a 3 peat because i dont feel hes that great, but he hasnt done anything to not deserve it again.
Nash will most likely win it again.Wrong again, They didnt have Butler at that time. If you watched that series against the bulls you would know that Gilberts clutchness is what lead them to the series win.
Arenas said he was going to drop 50 on the suns and he did so where was the "Crumbling" there. It's just hte kind of player he is, hes known as the comedian of hte league. I think alot of people take his sillyness as seriouness.
As for MVP its all really a matter of opinion at this time. Who knows what teams are gonna fall and what teams are going to rise. nothings definte now so anyone arguing about saying someone is wrong or right about who they think is going to win is ridiculous. Theres alot of season left and anything is possible.
BTW I like Chris Bosh for mvp, I really cant think of any player who is more valuable to their teams success right now.
I think that my main requirement in the MVP voting is whether or not the player's team is a championship contender, so Gilbert is out. Steve Nash should win it for his third time, the Suns are a lottery team without him, and (most importantly) a championship contender with him. The suns are a playoff team without Nash. They still have Marion, Stoudemire, Bell, Barbosa and Diaw. With Thomas, Jones, Rose, Banks all off the bench Thats playoff caliber team IMO Not a championship caliber but defintley playoffs.
We got whipped by Chicago, Atlanta, and Seattle. Not really the mark of the playoff team. Plus we're 4-11 without Nash. Nash is having a better year than his last year, and the team is performing just as well with him in the line up. Right now, the only other person who has a legitimate shot of winning it is Dirk Nowitzki.Yeah because you were used to having Nash. Im saying if this team started the season without Nash or didnt have Nash to begin with they would atleast be an 8th seed in the west. When your used to playing with the best PG in the league its going to take time to learn how to play without him.
Ok, First... The wizards were one of the worst teams in the league before we got Gilbert and since than we have done a 180. Second of all...He made it to the second round of the playoffs year before last. Third, I am far from a homer, In fact in this thread I believe I said Steve Nash should win the MVP. So again, you people need to get your facts straight before you go blabbing on about false statements.
You make it sound like Gilbert is the reason. Lebron is the only reason the Cavs are good. The Wizards had Jamison (once all star) Butler (all star) and Gilbert (all star), Eddie Jordan (an all star coach) and at one point larry Hughes (2nd in D-MVP voting), to go along with an ok supporting cast.
To say Gilbert turned that franchise around by himself is comical.You just love spitting out facts that are not true. Caron Butler wasnt an allstar before this year nor did he play anywhere near aallstar caliber ball. Yes Jamison and Butler are great players but without Gilbert the wizards would NOT be a playoff team. You really do not know what your talking about. I am a longtime wizards fan. Ive been watching since the Rod Strickland days. Believe me, when we go Gilbert Arenas is when our transition to a playoff team began. To argue that the Wiz did not suck before we got Gilbert is "comical"
dlions20
02-19-2007, 09:27 PM
BTW I like Chris Bosh for mvp, I really cant think of any player who is more valuable to their teams success right now.
steve nash? lebron james? kobe bryant? without shaq, dwayne wade?
dlions20
02-19-2007, 09:29 PM
Believe me, when we go Gilbert Arenas is when our transition to a playoff team began
its easy to be a playoff team in the NBA. There are teams every year that arent even .500 and make it.
yo123
02-19-2007, 09:30 PM
BTW I like Chris Bosh for mvp, I really cant think of any player who is more valuable to their teams success right now.
steve nash? lebron james? kobe bryant? without shaq, dwayne wade?
this whole "valuable" thing pisses me off. The MVP should go to the best player of that year. If you go by who the most VALUABLE is it depends too much on the players around you, which you have no control over. If you put Caron Butler on the Grizzlies, he might be the most valuable to his team. Does that mean he should be the MVP? I dont think it should.
BTW I like Chris Bosh for mvp, I really cant think of any player who is more valuable to their teams success right now.
steve nash? lebron james? kobe bryant? without shaq, dwayne wade?The Toronto raptors are in 3rd place. Without Chris Bosh their team is easily a bottom 3 team in the league. Im starting to question you have any basketball knowledge beyond the big name players/teams.
yo123
02-19-2007, 09:31 PM
Believe me, when we go Gilbert Arenas is when our transition to a playoff team began
its easy to be a playoff team in the NBA. There are teams every year that arent even .500 and make it.
well they are 8 games over 500 so i dont see the point.
BTW I like Chris Bosh for mvp, I really cant think of any player who is more valuable to their teams success right now.
steve nash? lebron james? kobe bryant? without shaq, dwayne wade?
this whole "valuable" thing pisses me off. The MVP should go to the best player of that year. If you go by who the most VALUABLE is it depends too much on the players around you, which you have no control over. If you put Caron Butler on the Grizzlies, he might be the most valuable to his team. Does that mean he should be the MVP? I dont think it should.They should change the name to Best individual performer award than. The name is misleading.
If the Grizz had Caron they wouldnt be a playoff team. Bosh is on the 3rd place team and really without him his team is far below average.
yo123
02-19-2007, 09:34 PM
BTW I like Chris Bosh for mvp, I really cant think of any player who is more valuable to their teams success right now.
steve nash? lebron james? kobe bryant? without shaq, dwayne wade?
this whole "valuable" thing pisses me off. The MVP should go to the best player of that year. If you go by who the most VALUABLE is it depends too much on the players around you, which you have no control over. If you put Caron Butler on the Grizzlies, he might be the most valuable to his team. Does that mean he should be the MVP? I dont think it should.They should change the name to Best individual performer award than. The name is misleading.
If the Grizz had Caron they wouldnt be a playoff team. Bosh is on the 3rd place team and really without him his team is far below average.
I'm not saying they would be a playoff team, im saying he might be the most valuable to his team.
dlions20
02-19-2007, 09:34 PM
The Toronto raptors are in 3rd place. Without Chris Bosh their team is easily a bottom 3 team in the league. Im starting to question you have any basketball knowledge beyond the big name players/teams.
The Cavs had the worste record in the NBA when we drafted Lebron, the next year we almost made the playoffs.
Bosh isnt valuable like the other players are thats all im saying.
RyanLeaf#1
02-20-2007, 08:44 AM
Steve Nash
frogstomp
02-20-2007, 08:58 AM
The Toronto raptors are in 3rd place. Without Chris Bosh their team is easily a bottom 3 team in the league. Im starting to question you have any basketball knowledge beyond the big name players/teams.
The Cavs had the worste record in the NBA when we drafted Lebron, the next year we almost made the playoffs.
Bosh isnt valuable like the other players are thats all im saying.
:roll:
The Raptors have Chris Bosh and TJ Ford. The rest of their players probably wouldn't start anywhere else. The Cavs have Ilgauskas, Hughes, Gooden, and possibly Marshall and Eric Snow as people who would start for other teams.
NYGibril28
02-20-2007, 09:16 AM
It has to be Nash. Nash may be the most important player to his team more than any other athlete. He deserves MVP. Who cares if he's won it back to back? He deserves it because he makes the players around him better.
NYmoney
02-20-2007, 09:37 AM
It has to be Nash. Nash may be the most important player to his team more than any other athlete. He deserves MVP. Who cares if he's won it back to back? He deserves it because he makes the players around him better.
I wish Gilbert would win, but Nash deserves it. He makes the game look soooo easy. I mean soooooooooooooo easy. After you watch him, the next day you play and think "oh I saw this last night." never works. never.
The Toronto raptors are in 3rd place. Without Chris Bosh their team is easily a bottom 3 team in the league. Im starting to question you have any basketball knowledge beyond the big name players/teams.
The Cavs had the worste record in the NBA when we drafted Lebron, the next year we almost made the playoffs.
Bosh isnt valuable like the other players are thats all im saying.
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The Raptors have Chris Bosh and TJ Ford. The rest of their players probably wouldn't start anywhere else. The Cavs have Ilgauskas, Hughes, Gooden, and possibly Marshall and Eric Snow as people who would start for other teams.
The entire Raptors team (including Darrick Martin) have a better chance starting for another team over Ilgauskas, Snow & Marshall. Seriously, Bargnani, Calderon and Parker are way better than those guys. Bargnani and Calderon don't even start for us which tells you something about how good our players are.
frogstomp
02-20-2007, 05:48 PM
The entire Raptors team (including Darrick Martin) have a better chance starting for another team over Ilgauskas, Snow & Marshall. Seriously, Bargnani, Calderon and Parker are way better than those guys. Bargnani and Calderon don't even start for us which tells you something about how good our players are.
I think if you took Bosh off the Raptors, and Lebron off the Cavs, there is more talent on the Cavs (for this year... for the future we're definitely better). You disagree?
The entire Raptors team (including Darrick Martin) have a better chance starting for another team over Ilgauskas, Snow & Marshall. Seriously, Bargnani, Calderon and Parker are way better than those guys. Bargnani and Calderon don't even start for us which tells you something about how good our players are.
I think if you took Bosh off the Raptors, and Lebron off the Cavs, there is more talent on the Cavs (for this year... for the future we're definitely better). You disagree?I completely agree with you. Alot of you Raptors fans overrate Calderon too. Hes good but I cant think of more than maybe 5 teams where he would be a starter, if that.
thetedginnshow
02-20-2007, 06:33 PM
Actually when Lebron isn't playing, the Cavs are like 9-2 or something.
And Calderon might be mediocre, but Mr. Ford is nasty.
frogstomp
02-20-2007, 06:41 PM
Actually when Lebron isn't playing, the Cavs are like 9-2 or something.
And Calderon might be mediocre, but Mr. Ford is nasty.
I agree. The team is generally Ford and Bosh.
Actually when Lebron isn't playing, the Cavs are like 9-2 or something.
And Calderon might be mediocre, but Mr. Ford is nasty.
I agree. The team is generally Ford and Bosh.TJ Ford is going to be one of the best PG's in the league sooner or later. I think Calderon is slightly better than mediocre but alot of Raptor fans seem to think he would be an allstar or something if he was starting.
frogstomp
02-20-2007, 06:45 PM
Actually when Lebron isn't playing, the Cavs are like 9-2 or something.
And Calderon might be mediocre, but Mr. Ford is nasty.
I agree. The team is generally Ford and Bosh.TJ Ford is going to be one of the best PG's in the league sooner or later. I think Calderon is slightly better than mediocre but alot of Raptor fans seem to think he would be an allstar or something if he was starting.
Calderon would do no better if he started. He benifits from coming off the bench. He's so well liked that everyone thinks he's better than he is.
Some of you guys don't know much about Calderon. You underrate him and overlook him. That's what NBA teams do, and he makes them pay when he nails a deep jumper (never a 3 though) or drives to the bucket for an easy layup. He's good at leading an offense but I think he's better served as a backup. None of you can say our team is all Bosh and Ford because every game we have other contributors like Parker, Peterson, Bargnani, Garbo, etc. who pitch in with big-time games. Ford and Bosh just get all the recognition and the clutch baskets, but deservedly so. Just because all of our players were outcast by other teams doesn't make those teams right, it makes them stupid. Colangelo knows what he's doing and he's proven himself for years but nobody seems to follow in the trend of piecing together Europeans and role players instead of adding high-priced overachievers like Larry Hughes and Donyell Marshall.
frogstomp
02-20-2007, 07:04 PM
Some of you guys don't know much about Calderon. You underrate him and overlook him. That's what NBA teams do, and he makes them pay when he nails a deep jumper (never a 3 though) or drives to the bucket for an easy layup. He's good at leading an offense but I think he's better served as a backup. None of you can say our team is all Bosh and Ford because every game we have other contributors like Parker, Peterson, Bargnani, Garbo, etc. who pitch in with big-time games. Ford and Bosh just get all the recognition and the clutch baskets, but deservedly so. Just because all of our players were outcast by other teams doesn't make those teams right, it makes them stupid. Colangelo knows what he's doing and he's proven himself for years but nobody seems to follow in the trend of piecing together Europeans and role players instead of adding high-priced overachievers like Larry Hughes and Donyell Marshall.
That''s why they aren't big stars... because they're horribly inconsistent. Hughes and Marshall are much more consistent than our players, and in a 80+ game season, consistency is what matters most.
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