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psupride1131
10-23-2007, 09:49 AM
If there was a re-draft, knowing now how he can drastically change games, when do you think he would be drafted? Special teams coordinators have to spend the entire week game-planning for him, and he is undoubtedly the only weapon of his kind in the NFL.

Personally, I believe now he could slip into the first round.

Denver Bronco99
10-23-2007, 09:58 AM
im just going out on a limb...but ginn was drafted MAINLY on return skills and i dont think anyone would take ginn over hester...so def. first round

LionSmack
10-23-2007, 10:00 AM
Yeah he'd be a good shot for the 20-32 range, not above that though until he shows he can be a consistent player as a WR.

psupride1131
10-23-2007, 10:02 AM
Yea he was awful as a corner. Tory Holt tore him a new one in that Monday Night Game. As a wideout tho, he runs the best fly pattern in the NFL.

Twiddler
10-23-2007, 10:14 AM
Yeah he'd be a good shot for the 20-32 range, not above that though until he shows he can be a consistent player as a WR.

Yeah I'd say in this range but only if you have a good team all around and can afford to draft a special teams player this high. Who knows though, maybe he could go higher.

ks_perfection
10-23-2007, 11:06 AM
I could see him going as high as Ginn went. All it takes is 1 team thinking he can develop into a decent WR to justify him going really high. (if he was drafted again a team wouldn't waste his time at CB and would start developing him at WR right away)

Hurricane Ditka
10-23-2007, 11:25 AM
Yea he was awful as a corner. Tory Holt tore him a new one in that Monday Night Game. As a wideout tho, he runs the best fly pattern in the NFL.
Well that was Tory Holt, he does that to a lot of players. But he's shown he can make a difference at wide receiver as weel.

bored of education
10-23-2007, 11:32 AM
Next year 1st by the Dolphins

Geo
10-23-2007, 11:33 AM
I know it sounds strange, but shouldn't we already be bringing up Canton with Hester? From the first week of his rookie season, he's the best returner the game has yet seen. He broke Gale Sayers' franchise record in less than a full 18 games, a season and a half. That's crazy. The man has done it in the playoffs as well, he's done it in the postseason including the Rain Bowl (Super Bowl XLI).

Addict
10-23-2007, 12:31 PM
I know it sounds strange, but shouldn' we already be bringing up Canton with Hester? From the first week of his rookie season, he's the best returner the game has yet seen. He broke Gale Sayers' franchise record in less than a full 18 games, a season and a half. That's crazy. The man has done it in the playoffs as well, he's done it in the postseason including the Rain Bowl (Super Bowl XLI).

thing is he's done little besides returning.

no love
10-23-2007, 12:38 PM
Devin Hester is the ultimate special teams weapon. If you knew how well Devin Hester could perform in the pros before drafting him, he is a sure-fire first rounder with a shot at that 10-15 area. He shouldn't go much higher because of how much money it would cost to pay a returner, but his impact on the game is unreal. Plus his potential as a wr is relatively untapped, he is a project but you could certainly do worse as far as the physical abilities of a project player. If Matt Jones gets picked as a 1st round WR as a qb to wr conversion, I see no way or how Hester does not have as much potential at the wr position.

Statistically he accounted for 600 yards of field position on punt returns (1,128 yards if you count kick returns) and averaged about 3 pr a game and 5 total tds. Not to mention the emotional boost and momentum shift that a kick return gives a team.

SuperKevin
10-23-2007, 12:40 PM
I know it sounds strange, but shouldn't we already be bringing up Canton with Hester? From the first week of his rookie season, he's the best returner the game has yet seen. He broke Gale Sayers' franchise record in less than a full 18 games, a season and a half. That's crazy. The man has done it in the playoffs as well, he's done it in the postseason including the Rain Bowl (Super Bowl XLI).

I've been saying this for awhile. Special teams TDs are very hard to come by and any player who can score as frequently as Hester can on returns deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. However if a player like DeSean Jackson can translate his PR success to the NFL it will deffinately cheapen Hester's accomplishments.

bearsfan_51
10-23-2007, 12:40 PM
People keep bringing up Ted Ginn, but Ted Ginn had much better resume than Troy Williamson, and Williamson was drafted two spots higher than he was (in a different draft of course).

Matt Jones had never played WR in his life and was drafted #18. At least Hester had SOME experience there.

Anyway...I'd say definite 10-20, and probably top 10 just because you know that he's going to contribute in a major way somehow, which is more than you can say for about 50% of all draft picks.

draftguru151
10-23-2007, 12:40 PM
I actually would have liked Hester at 16 more than I would have liked Jason Allen that year.

Man_Of_Steel
10-23-2007, 01:26 PM
Top 10, with his return ability he dosent need to do much else. Factor in his reception TD and no way he escapes the top 10.

keylime_5
10-23-2007, 01:52 PM
First round, probably late first. (this is implying that they know he is probably the best KOR ever and won't ever be much of a WR or CB)

bearsfan_51
10-23-2007, 01:55 PM
First round, probably late first. (this is implying that they know he is probably the best KOR ever and won't ever be much of a WR or CB)

I dunno about that.

PoopSandwich
10-23-2007, 01:57 PM
Deven Hester is a game changer...

If people knew he would have this much of an impact he wouldn't have *slipped* into the first round... He would have easily been a first round pick.

Hurricane Ditka
10-23-2007, 02:46 PM
I dunno about that.Weren't you the one who said Hester would never be more than a gimmick? Although as the past few weeks have shown, he can be a productive receiver. He caught some important balls on the final drive in Philly, and then of course the bomb in Minnesota.

Twiddler
10-23-2007, 02:50 PM
Weren't you the one who said Hester would never be more than a gimmick? Although as the past few weeks have shown, he can be a productive receiver. He caught some important balls on the final drive in Philly, and then of course the bomb in Minnesota.

In general, the thought of Hester becoming an effective receiver is really starting to scare me. I mean, if that happens could you guys like ummmm transfer out of the division so we don't have to play him twice a year? Its bad enough punting to him.

Bearsfan123
10-23-2007, 03:13 PM
In general, the thought of Hester becoming an effective receiver is really starting to scare me. I mean, if that happens could you guys like ummmm transfer out of the division so we don't have to play him twice a year? Its bad enough punting to him.

Thank you, that was awesome.

TitanHope
10-23-2007, 03:24 PM
The Titans almost drafted Hester over LenDale White. Our scouts saw his talent as a returner and wanted him, but since we had PacMan, we chose LenDale over him.

When Devin Hester was drafted, I think it was a consensus opinion that he would only be a KR and that the odds of him being a solid CB was doubtful. I also think scouts thought that he'd be a great return man in the NFL, which is why he was picked in the 2nd RD.

If he was drafted today, he could be a late 1st RD pick. I think it's stupid to pick a return specialist in the 1st RD, especially since they get the ball so little and can be taken out of the game by a good kicker, but he may be the best in history, so it's worth it.

VoteLynnSwan
10-23-2007, 03:49 PM
If Sebastien Janikowski could be drafted in the first round... so could Devin Hester.

yo123
10-23-2007, 03:56 PM
Why is this even an argument? Am I not understanding the question? If people knew that he would be as good as he is he would easily be a top 5 pick. The impact he makes on field position even when he doesnt get his hands on the ball is huge, count in 9 return TD's in 2 years?

TitanHope
10-23-2007, 04:06 PM
There's a difference between could and should. He could be, but it would not be wise.

So some of you guys would pick Hester over Mario Williams, Reggie Bush, Vince Young, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, and A.J. Hawk?

yourfavestoner
10-23-2007, 04:17 PM
thing is he's done little besides returning.

You have to be more than a returner to be considered for the HOF? He's already the best return man ever and he's only halfway into his second season in the league.

SuperKevin
10-23-2007, 04:17 PM
I'm a huge fan of what Devin Hester has done as a return man but does anyone think it's a result of an excellent special teams blocking unit

Go_Eagles77
10-23-2007, 04:20 PM
He didn't touch the ball on returns once on Sunday, it isn't really that hard to keep the ball away from him on special teams, they still had pretty good field position though. But of course the one time they have terrible field position, they throw the ball 97 yards on 5 plays to win the game. lol

DeathbyStat
10-23-2007, 04:42 PM
Middle to end of the first round

Philliez01
10-23-2007, 04:44 PM
I agree with first round.

I do have a question. Considering Hester is now a WR, why can he still wear 23? Dumb question maybe, but I am curious.

Hurricane Ditka
10-23-2007, 05:10 PM
I agree with first round.

I do have a question. Considering Hester is now a WR, why can he still wear 23? Dumb question maybe, but I am curious.Because he's Devin ********** Hester that's why.

McBain
10-23-2007, 05:32 PM
I'm a huge fan of what Devin Hester has done as a return man but does anyone think it's a result of an excellent special teams blocking unit

Oops i mis-read that. Uh, i think that the blocking is good.... but it's not that exceptional.... i think it helps the blockers knowing that they have hester back there if anything knowing that he can turn anything into a td. More hester than blocking but not to say anything bad about chicago's blocking.

Shiver
10-23-2007, 05:34 PM
People keep bringing up Ted Ginn, but Ted Ginn had much better resume than Troy Williamson, and Williamson was drafted two spots higher than he was (in a different draft of course).

I remember Mel Kiper's head near exploded when Williamson went ahead of "future hall of famer" Mike Williams.

Twiddler
10-24-2007, 07:16 AM
I'm a huge fan of what Devin Hester has done as a return man but does anyone think it's a result of an excellent special teams blocking unit

I think they have quite good special teams blocking but no one can deny that a great amount of his returns are based on his great vision. I mean look at his return against Minnesota, that was a case of a return being credited towards his vision. I'm not sure if any other active player could have returned that the way he did.

Jakey
10-24-2007, 11:14 AM
Late round 1, early round 2 only because i think other positions are more important. I'd rather take a solid guard in round 1 (not a flashy pick) and get 20 touchdowns from the running game per year, than take return specialist and get 7? touchdowns per year. But if i had a team with no glaring weaknesses (not likeley) i'd take Hester in the top 10.

VoteLynnSwan
10-24-2007, 11:32 AM
I'm a huge fan of what Devin Hester has done as a return man but does anyone think it's a result of an excellent special teams blocking unit

The Bears special team unit is very good, however one of the things that makes Devin Hester so amazing is his ability to break tackles... He won't be brought down by arm tackles like a lot of returners.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DnbX3gLfuyE


well after watching this video it's obviously a combination of both... some of these returns can be attributed to the blocking and Hester's speed, others can attest to his ability to break tackles.

CannedToast
10-24-2007, 11:49 AM
He wouldn't be drafted. He would be declared too talented and forced to start his own league, the HFL (Hester football league). Punter Brian Moorman would be the only other player allowed in this league, and the games would consist of Moorman punting to Hester for an hour.

bearsfan_51
10-24-2007, 12:00 PM
He wouldn't be drafted. He would be declared too talented and forced to start his own league, the HFL (Hester football league). Punter Brian Moorman would be the only other player allowed in this league, and the games would consist of Moorman punting to Hester for an hour.

I'd watch.

Addict
10-24-2007, 12:03 PM
He wouldn't be drafted. He would be declared too talented and forced to start his own league, the HFL (Hester football league). Punter Brian Moorman would be the only other player allowed in this league, and the games would consist of Moorman punting to Hester for an hour.

that's a pretty sound concept, sounds fun!

Jakey
10-24-2007, 12:45 PM
^ Don't forget Sean Taylor.. Just encase Moorman ran a fake!

Nitschke-Hawk
10-24-2007, 02:39 PM
Looking at the order right now... I think he could have gone 14 to the Eagles. They didn't really need Brodrick Bunkley. 15 was the Rams, they would consider him, I would say 10 to Arizona but they seemed pretty sold on Leinart.

mcdlaxbonz13
10-24-2007, 02:52 PM
i wouldn't take him in the first because cleveland has so many holes, and it isn't like our returner is a sloach, cribbs has some TD returns of his own and is averaging about 31 yards per kick return and he was undrafted.

HoopsDemon12
10-24-2007, 03:53 PM
I definaltly agree with the 10-25 range.. i think teh top ten teams had to big of needs to even consider a return guy no matter how good. Maybe the steelers would have traded up cause they were seen as having no real huge needs that year.. draft him as a wideout and i think they would have been happy.

TitanHope
10-24-2007, 04:48 PM
I do have a question. Considering Hester is now a WR, why can he still wear 23? Dumb question maybe, but I am curious.

It's because of the number of jersies in circuit that are for sale. I think the NFL has a contract with Reebok to sell NFL jersies, and there are millions of #23 Devin Hester jersies out there. So If Hester was to change his jersey from #23 to one in the 80's, there would be too much of a financial backlash. They'd have to discount all of the #23 jersies to get rid of them and there would be no profit. There was a situation like this with Jerry Porter who wanted to go from #84 to #81.

If Hester or the Bears want to change his number, they'll have to notify the heads of the NFL and they would notify Reebok. This gives Reebok enough time to adjust. If Hester or the Bears wanted to change the number right now, they would have to reimburse Reebok for the lost profit which would probably be in the millions.

So it's just easier to keep him at #23.

SFbear
10-24-2007, 04:51 PM
I always just figured we'd list him as an RB.

TitanHope
10-24-2007, 05:34 PM
Son of a...

*Walks towards towards locked closet*

HoopsDemon12
10-24-2007, 05:56 PM
It's because of the number of jersies in circuit that are for sale. I think the NFL has a contract with Reebok to sell NFL jersies, and there are millions of #23 Devin Hester jersies out there. So If Hester was to change his jersey from #23 to one in the 80's, there would be too much of a financial backlash. They'd have to discount all of the #23 jersies to get rid of them and there would be no profit. There was a situation like this with Jerry Porter who wanted to go from #84 to #81.

If Hester or the Bears want to change his number, they'll have to notify the heads of the NFL and they would notify Reebok. This gives Reebok enough time to adjust. If Hester or the Bears wanted to change the number right now, they would have to reimburse Reebok for the lost profit which would probably be in the millions.

So it's just easier to keep him at #23.

Well i thought they ahd him listed as a RB? kinda like reggie bush.. then just line him out there

Shiver
10-24-2007, 06:02 PM
If you look at it honestly, he has made more impact than any of the players who went at the top of the '06 draft.

Mario Williams - He is a good run defender, improving as a pass rusher, but not quite to all-pro level.

Reggie Bush - A good 3rd down RB, but has yet to display any consistency as a runner.

Vince Young - He still stinks as a passer. Right now he is a poor man's Michael Vick. He still has some upside, though.

D'Brickashaw Ferguson - Ferguson has struggled with keeping his weight up. He is solid, I just don't see 10-year all-pro in his future.

AJ Hawk - Has been a terrific OLB. He always had the highest floor of any player.

Vernon Davis - He has battled injuries and is being limited by the 49ers' awful passing attack.

etc...

psupride1131
10-24-2007, 06:11 PM
could he be considered one of the top sleepers of all time (besides Tom Brady)?

I know top half of the third round isn't that extreme of a sleeper, but you could make a legimate argument that he was worth a top 5 pick. For example, Colston is a great football player that the Saints got at a great value, but his impact comes nowhere near to that of Hesters, yet he is widely considered one of the top sleepers of the last decade if he can be consistent throughout his career. Hester, however, is the best return man the NFL has ever seen and will likely play a leading role in most Bears victories for the next few years.

TitanHope
10-24-2007, 06:13 PM
Well i thought they ahd him listed as a RB? kinda like reggie bush.. then just line him out there

He was officially moved to wide receiver. RB makes sense, but I'm guessing when they have Benson, they thought WR would be the best way to get him on the field. But I don't know the specifics.

Shiver, you know that if we could redo the draft, we'd have guys like Colston and such much higher than that. But what my point was, would you take a return man in the Top 5 and pay him a 50 million dollar contract to return kicks? Plus, Hester was drafted as high as he was solely because of his returning skills to begin with, and people thought he would be an excellent returner. If he develops into an ok WR, then one could argue that, but as of now, he's just an amazing kick returner. Personally, I'd rather get a Williams/Bush/Young/Ferguson/Hawk, even though their production won't be as immediate. Besides, it's easier for a KR/PR to have their success transfer into the NFL than say a QB or DE, and one can be found later in the draft. He may be no Devin Hester, but I think it's the smarter move.

doingthisinsteadofwork
10-24-2007, 06:18 PM
If he had fallen to Miami they would have taken him.I mean Jason Allen sucks and theyd actually get a good return man.

ks_perfection
10-24-2007, 06:43 PM
If he had fallen to Miami they would have taken him.I mean Jason Allen sucks and theyd actually get a good return man.

They had Wez Welker at the time and a differently coach too.

bearsfan_51
10-24-2007, 07:47 PM
could he be considered one of the top sleepers of all time (besides Tom Brady)?

I know top half of the third round isn't that extreme of a sleeper, but you could make a legimate argument that he was worth a top 5 pick. For example, Colston is a great football player that the Saints got at a great value, but his impact comes nowhere near to that of Hesters, yet he is widely considered one of the top sleepers of the last decade if he can be consistent throughout his career. Hester, however, is the best return man the NFL has ever seen and will likely play a leading role in most Bears victories for the next few years.
Hester was taken in the bottom half of the second round.

ks_perfection
10-24-2007, 08:05 PM
How many years do you expect Hester to be one of the leagues best return man? Traditionally they don't have a very short shelf life at being great.

Hawk
10-24-2007, 10:17 PM
If Sebastien Janikowski could be drafted in the first round... so could Devin Hester.

Well hell, the Mike Sherman drafted Ahmad Carroll cause he was fast, Hester would easily go in the 1st Round cause he's fast and actually productive.