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bearsfan_51
10-28-2007, 11:59 AM
Rematch time!!

Vasher and McGowan both injured. Josh Gattis is the backup safety at both positions. Trumaine McBride to start again at corner.

*gulp*

Garrett Wolfe is finally inactive, considering they never use him anyway it makes sense, though if Benson or Peterson gets hurt we're in a bind. Eight defensive lineman are active.

Only Lions injury of note is Kalimba Edwards.

bearsfan_51
10-28-2007, 12:24 PM
Meh....our troubles in the red zone continue again. Not going to be good enough against an offense like the Lions.

******* christ Gould misses again.

bearsfan_51
10-28-2007, 12:33 PM
What a load of piss first quarter that was. Our safties are absolutely disgusting.

bearsfan_51
10-28-2007, 01:08 PM
This game makes me want to throw up.

Smokey Joe
10-28-2007, 01:35 PM
This if ******* dog ****. Archuletta needs to be benched ASAP. He has no coverage skills at all. We have ******* D-Linemen pass rushing on ******* run downs. We need more Adams and less Walker. McBride must be a practice hero cause he doesn't show up in games. But then again, he is a a 5'9" 7th round pick going up against ******* Roy Williams.

And our offense has blown two easy opportunities. That was a stupid ass play call/decision that lead to that pick as well. Also, nice to see our OLine decide not to block as well.

Hurricane Ditka
10-28-2007, 01:36 PM
McBride is actually doing alright.

bearsfan_51
10-28-2007, 01:38 PM
Yeah McBride is doing alright. As for benching Archuleta..for who exactly?

Smokey Joe
10-28-2007, 01:39 PM
I forgot that we have no depth behind him. We just need someone who can actually cover a god damn receiver.

bearsfan_51
10-28-2007, 02:12 PM
I'm usually not one to overreact but I'm starting to call for Bob Babich's head. This defense is ******* terrible compared to last year.

Hurricane Ditka
10-28-2007, 03:08 PM
Ry-an. RY-AN. RY-AN.

bearsfan_51
10-28-2007, 03:09 PM
Well that was ugly...

Addict
10-28-2007, 03:10 PM
Ry-an. RY-AN. RY-AN.

YOU SURE COULD USE HIM

Smokey Joe
10-28-2007, 03:11 PM
Ry-an. RY-AN. RY-AN.

Give me Brohm or Woodson, Ryan's overrated... actually, give me an OLine. Tait is too slow for LT now and would be better served as a RT, Miller is garbage, and Brown is 1000 years old. Sam Baker w/ our top 10-15 pick, and then trade up for a QB (since one of the big 3 are bound to fall into the 20's if you ask me).

Also, we could use a safety.

TacticaLion
10-28-2007, 03:11 PM
Wow... a lot of people said that Archuleta couldn't cover... but... are you kidding me? That play in the 1st quarter against Roy was pathetic.

Hurricane Ditka
10-28-2007, 03:13 PM
Give me Brohm or Woodson, Ryan's overrated... actually, give me an OLine. Tait is too slow for LT now and would be better served as a RT, Miller is garbage, and Brown is 1000 years old. Sam Baker w/ our top 10-15 pick, and then trade up for a QB (since one of the big 3 are bound to fall into the 20's if you ask me).

Also, we could use a safety.I think the Va Tech game should take a little wind out the Ryan is overrated sails. Woodson is a complete mismatch for this team, and I'd take Ryan over Brohm.

bearsfan_51
10-28-2007, 03:15 PM
As much as a franchise QB would be nice, I'm not sold that it's the most logical pick.

I wish you could draft a heart, because right now this team has none. It's not just a matter of a need for talent infusion. I mean..how do you go from a top 5 defense to......that?

At no point did I see a team that really cared. That's by far the most dissapointing thing.

bearsfan_51
10-28-2007, 03:16 PM
And Tommie Harris is ******* stupid. Can we get one coach to teach him how to not jump offsides?

Smokey Joe
10-28-2007, 03:21 PM
As much as a franchise QB would be nice, I'm not sold that it's the most logical pick.

I wish you could draft a heart, because right now this team has none. It's not just a matter of a need for talent infusion. I mean..how do you go from a top 5 defense to......that?

At no point did I see a team that really cared. That's by far the most dissapointing thing.
can we draft the wizard of oz? I mean our team could get a heart, Daniel Manning can get some courage, our QB can perhaps get a brain...

k0ng
10-28-2007, 03:21 PM
We need to draft a safety. Archuleta sucks in pass coverage, but isn't bad in the box. D Manning is just bad. We just need to get healthy on Defense. Depending on how Dvoracek rehabs, we really don't need to sign/draft anyone else on Defense (except resigning Briggs). We just need an offense that can keep them fresh.

Offense...man is the o-line showing its age. They are embarrassing to watch. Berrian is still too soft and Griese has no arm. Benson ran hard today at least. Angelo and co have some major decisions to make on offense. We could see new faces at every position next year, aside from TE.

Hurricane Ditka
10-28-2007, 03:23 PM
I think this season is the result of Jerry Angelo and Lovie Smith getting cocky. Both of whom seemed to have this thinking over the off-season that they could lose key role players and just fill in their guys. Letting Rivera walk was a bad move, and it shows arrogance on Lovie's part. Letting half of our depth in the defensive backfield walk was idiotic. Not addressing the oline and drafting Garrett Wolfe were bone head moves and we're paying for it.

TacticaLion
10-28-2007, 03:23 PM
Offense...man is the o-line showing its age. They are embarrassing to watch.

Speaking of the OLine, did anyone see what C. Smith did to Tait in the 4th quarter?

Holy ****. That was brutal.

Smokey Joe
10-28-2007, 03:24 PM
Letting Ron Rivera go was not a bad move. It was the right move. Babich was bound to take over and it was best to make the transition right away. Plus, after all, Lovie runs the D primarily anyway.

Addict
10-28-2007, 03:26 PM
Letting Ron Turner go was not a bad move. It was the right move. Babich was bound to take over and it was best to make the transition right away. Plus, after all, Lovie runs the D primarily anyway.

I'm not sure letting Rivera go was a smart move though, bears D hasn't been it's old self this season.

bearsfan_51
10-28-2007, 03:28 PM
I think this season is the result of Jerry Angelo and Lovie Smith getting cocky. Both of whom seemed to have this thinking over the off-season that they could lose key role players and just fill in their guys. Letting Rivera walk was a bad move, and it shows arrogance on Lovie's part. Letting half of our depth in the defensive backfield walk was idiotic. Not addressing the oline and drafting Garrett Wolfe were bone head moves and we're paying for it.

Eh....I don't want to overeact too much here.

I mean...I really liked Todd Johnson, and Chris Harris is an ok player, but would I love having them start either? Not really.

Babich clearly seems overwhelmed right now, so I don't question that. But I'm not upset about letting Rivera go as he was basically pimping himself out during the last two playoffs. And I don't recall too many people here damning the move at the time.

Clearly we need to draft some youth on the line, but I wouldn't take back the Olsen pick at all. After that there wasn't a whole lot to get excited about. Ugoh at #37 would have been nice, but the trade down was a smart move.

Wolfe was a terrible pick, no argument there.




My biggest beef this offseason was two things, which I questioned at the time.

The Darwin Walker trade and signing made no sense. Why are we paying a backup DT this much money? It still makes no sense to me at all.

The other move was making Lovie a top 5 paid coach. I understand it's a move they had to make to save face, but he's an average coach at best.

P-L
10-28-2007, 03:36 PM
I think LT would be a wise choice for the Bears if a good one is available. Watching Corey Smith spear John Tait to the ground must've been embarrassing.

neko4
10-28-2007, 03:37 PM
The bears should wait till the 2nd or 3rd round and draft a conservative, play manager QB, a guy who wont throw 4 picks but wont throw 4 td's, a guy who wont lose it for them. I think this is many bears fans idea too. Am i right?

Smokey Joe
10-28-2007, 03:42 PM
Well, ideally a QB in the first would be perfect, but with needs in the secondary and on the OLine, we might as well just stick it out one more year with Orton or Griese.

bearfan
10-28-2007, 05:04 PM
I wouldnt mind seeing how Orton does before we go draft a QB. Orton has all the physical tools, but lets see if he can play a game and how he has progressed since his rookie season. But also, the QB stock coming out next year isnt so hot I believe, so if we are to go QB, I would go this year when there are quite a bit of decent QBs that could end up being good

bearsfan_51
10-28-2007, 05:08 PM
I wouldnt mind seeing how Orton does before we go draft a QB. Orton has all the physical tools, but lets see if he can play a game and how he has progressed since his rookie season. But also, the QB stock coming out next year isnt so hot I believe, so if we are to go QB, I would go this year when there are quite a bit of decent QBs that could end up being good
Well it's obviously very early, but Tebow, Longshore, and Caldwell could all be 1st rounders next year.

But I agree....it's weaker.

Addict
10-28-2007, 05:11 PM
Well it's obviously very early, but Tebow, Longshore, and Caldwell could all be 1st rounders next year.

But I agree....it's weaker.

this class is very strong, but I agree you could have a swing at Orton before drafting someone, definately a first round O-lineman wouldn't hurt

awfullyquiet
10-28-2007, 05:53 PM
The bears should wait till the 2nd or 3rd round and draft a conservative, play manager QB, a guy who wont throw 4 picks but wont throw 4 td's, a guy who wont lose it for them. I think this is many bears fans idea too. Am i right?

isn't that matt ryan as opposed to andre' woodson?

*shrugs*

i think we are sick of the gunslingers, power passers. i want a power running game, and good defense. we don't need another brody croyle, tavaris jackson, we need trent edwards, john beck, or just as much, kyle orton...

or if we're real lucky, we'll get a tom brady.

Addict
10-28-2007, 05:58 PM
isn't that matt ryan as opposed to andre' woodson?

*shrugs*

i think we are sick of the gunslingers, power passers. i want a power running game, and good defense. we don't need another brody croyle, tavaris jackson, we need trent edwards, john beck, or just as much, kyle orton...

or if we're real lucky, we'll get a tom brady.

that requires insane amounts of luck...

bearfan
10-28-2007, 06:12 PM
isn't that matt ryan as opposed to andre' woodson?

*shrugs*

i think we are sick of the gunslingers, power passers. i want a power running game, and good defense. we don't need another brody croyle, tavaris jackson, we need trent edwards, john beck, or just as much, kyle orton...

or if we're real lucky, we'll get a tom brady.

As I was watching the Pats game, the announcers brought up some good points about todays game as oppsed to the game of the 70's 80's and 90's. A running game is good to have, but now a days, you have to have a good passing attack to have a good offense. Now while the running game will open up the PA pass, and eat up time, a good QB and passing game is a must have in the NFL. Im happy with a strong running game, and a stout defense, but they both would have to be amazing w/ playmakers *aka Baltimore, and Steelers*.

bearsfan_51
10-28-2007, 06:19 PM
While I agree that it's a passing game nowadays, that doesn't mean we need a QB with a cannon. I'd rather have a quarterback that is smart than a quarterback with an amazing arm anyday.

k0ng
10-28-2007, 06:25 PM
Eh....I don't want to overeact too much here.

I mean...I really liked Todd Johnson, and Chris Harris is an ok player, but would I love having them start either? Not really.

Babich clearly seems overwhelmed right now, so I don't question that. But I'm not upset about letting Rivera go as he was basically pimping himself out during the last two playoffs. And I don't recall too many people here damning the move at the time.

Clearly we need to draft some youth on the line, but I wouldn't take back the Olsen pick at all. After that there wasn't a whole lot to get excited about. Ugoh at #37 would have been nice, but the trade down was a smart move.

Wolfe was a terrible pick, no argument there.




My biggest beef this offseason was two things, which I questioned at the time.

The Darwin Walker trade and signing made no sense. Why are we paying a backup DT this much money? It still makes no sense to me at all.

The other move was making Lovie a top 5 paid coach. I understand it's a move they had to make to save face, but he's an average coach at best.

That Bazuin pick was a waste to. I was praying for Brandon Jackson during that pick.

Hurricane Ditka
10-28-2007, 06:38 PM
That Bazuin pick was a waste to. I was praying for Brandon Jackson during that pick.If Alex Brown is no longer with the team after this season it's not that bad.

detroit4life
10-28-2007, 06:42 PM
i dont think you guys should take a QB round one this year. This team is built to win now u need to go back to what they did when orton was in there and run the ball and make sure ur QB doesnt kill u. I think they need to adress their oline and secondary in the draft and bring in a veteran QB or Orton who they know wont throw picks like griese and grossman do. And just power the football with benson. This team is on the older side IMO and bringing in your future at QB in round one wont help them for a year or two

pellepelle_10
10-29-2007, 01:39 AM
i dont think you guys should take a QB round one this year. This team is built to win now u need to go back to what they did when orton was in there and run the ball and make sure ur QB doesnt kill u. I think they need to adress their oline and secondary in the draft and bring in a veteran QB or Orton who they know wont throw picks like griese and grossman do. And just power the football with benson. This team is on the older side IMO and bringing in your future at QB in round one wont help them for a year or two

I would totally agree with you detoit4life but my faith in cedric benson is about the same as rex grossman and I'm being dead serious. At this point I think any of the key positions in rnd one would sound fine to me. We're in need of some serious help. Safety, QB, O-Line, DT, RB, CB depth....i'm beginning to lose my breath here..lol

bearfan
10-29-2007, 06:25 AM
I would totally agree with you detoit4life but my faith in cedric benson is about the same as rex grossman and I'm being dead serious. At this point I think any of the key positions in rnd one would sound fine to me. We're in need of some serious help. Safety, QB, O-Line, DT, RB, CB depth....i'm beginning to lose my breath here..lol


DT and CB can be had in later rounds. If we use a 1st day pick on one of those 2 positions I would personally kill JA. Dvorchek just needs to be healthy, and he was starting before he got hurt. Otherwise we have Harris, Walker, Adams and Garay. IMO not bad (but I didnt see the last game, and may have seen that adams did terrible?). I think a bad decision was to let Ian Scott go, he was a very underrated player. As for CB depth, we have 3 very good CBs in Vash Till and RMan, beyond them we have some rookies. I dont think that we are that bad off in those 2 areas at all.

Smokey Joe
10-29-2007, 03:34 PM
DT and CB can be had in later rounds. If we use a 1st day pick on one of those 2 positions I would personally kill JA. Dvorchek just needs to be healthy, and he was starting before he got hurt. Otherwise we have Harris, Walker, Adams and Garay. IMO not bad (but I didnt see the last game, and may have seen that adams did terrible?). I think a bad decision was to let Ian Scott go, he was a very underrated player. As for CB depth, we have 3 very good CBs in Vash Till and RMan, beyond them we have some rookies. I dont think that we are that bad off in those 2 areas at all.
Ian Scott was cut by the Eagles, that has to tell you something... Anyway, DT is more of a 5th or 6th round need, 4th round at the earliest. Depth isn't our problem, staying healthy is. Adams has looked good in the games he has played in this season and Walker is more of a backup UT and situational pass rusher at DT. We need Dvoracek to stay healthy, and have Garay and a late round draft pick compete for the 5th spot. I don't know what the purpose is of drafting a DT first day when we already have 4 capable starting DT's and the DT we draft would likely be inactive, unless you are counting on an injury to occur, which would be idiotic to do anyway.

And I don't know why this guy consistently says CB is a need, it isn't! We have Tillman, Vasher, and Manning Jr under contract for a while now, and McBride has looked good for a 7th round rookie, and from what I saw of Graham, he looks like he could contribute as well someday.

Race for the Heisman
10-29-2007, 09:15 PM
As far as quarterbacks go, when looking for someone who won't kill you, I like all of the big three, none of whom will probably be available in the second assuming we go line first, Ainge, maybe Dixon (depends on how he closes out the year + Senior Bowl), and maybe a late Chad Henne, but not Henne where he's projected to be taken. Next year I actually like Boeckman in maybe late first day if we address other needs in the first day this year.

As of right now, whichever left tackle we can get plus Ainge would make me happy.