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kwilk103
10-28-2007, 12:08 PM
coaches: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/usatpoll.htm

1. Ohio State (56) 9-0 1,495 1
2. Boston College (3) 8-0 1,414 2
3. LSU 7-1 1,324 3
4. Oregon (1) 7-1 1,280 5
5. Oklahoma 7-1 1,269 4
6. Arizona State 8-0 1,221 7
7. West Virginia 7-1 1,177 6
8. Kansas 8-0 1,108 10
9. Missouri 7-1 983 13
10. Georgia 6-2 791 19
11. Hawaii 8-0 769 14
12. Texas 7-2 753 16
13. Virginia Tech 6-2 736 9
14. Michigan 7-2 701 21
15. Southern California 6-2 679 8
16. Auburn 6-3 454 23
17. Florida 5-3 451 11
18. Alabama 6-2 439 24
19. Wisconsin 7-2 422 25
20. Connecticut7-1 419 NR
21. South Florida 6-2 291 12
22. Boise State 7-1 218 NR
23. Kentucky6-3 159 15
24. Clemson 6-2 145 NR
25. South Carolina 6-3 131 17

Dropped out
No. 18 Virginia (7-2, lost to N.C. State 29-24)); No. 20 California (5-3, lost to then-No. 7 Arizona State 31-20); No. 22 Penn State (6-3, lost to No. 1 Ohio State 37-17)

KCJ58
10-28-2007, 12:34 PM
ASU should be #3

neko4
10-28-2007, 12:36 PM
ASU should be #3
Above LSU, Oklahoma, and Oregon what makes them any better?

KCJ58
10-28-2007, 12:37 PM
Above LSU, Oklahoma, and Oregon what makes them any better?

all those teams have lost a game, ASU is 8-0

D-Unit
10-28-2007, 12:40 PM
Hawaii #11??? I think I'm going to find a nice corner to cry in happiness....

Iamcanadian
10-28-2007, 12:42 PM
[QUOTE=kwilk

I think USA today's rankings stink. I rank then like this:

1. Ohio State (56) 9-0 1,495 1 - still a suspect #1 with their schedule but they lucked out
2. Boston College (3) 8-0 1,414 2 - also still suspect but a tough schedule awaits
3. Oregon (1) 7-1 1,280 5 - probably deserves to be #1 but schedules are schedules
4. Arizona State 8-0 1,221 7 - probably deserves to be #2, ditto
5. LSU 7-1 1,324 3 - the SEC is very average this year and they have barely won at home
6. West Virginia 7-1 1,177 6 - if it were up to me, they'd be ahead of LSU but I'll let Alabama make that happen
7. Oklahoma 7-1 1,269 4 - weak schedule
8. Kansas 8-0 1,108 10 - believe it or not, they could possibly play in the NC game
9. Missouri 7-1 983 13
10. Hawaii 8-0 769 14 - top teams have lots of question marks, so whose to say they aren't as good as Boise St was last year
11. Connecticut7-1 419 NR - 1st place in the Big East gets them here
12. Virginia Tech 6-2 736 9 - Offense is ruining their season
13. Georgia 6-2 791 19 - beat an overrated Florida team, so what
14. Michigan 7-2 701 21 - poor team and I'm a Michigan fan
15. Southern California 6-2 679 8 - talented but just not playing well
16. South Florida 6-2 291 12 - about right as they did beat Auburn at Auburn
17. Auburn 6-3 454 23 - coming on
18. Boise State 7-1 218 NR - better than people think
19. Texas 7-2 753 16 - very average team
20. Florida 5-3 451 11 - simple had to replace way too many starters from last year, will be real tough next year
21. Alabama 6-2 439 24 - I think they have a very good shot at beating a LSU team which is overrated
22. Wisconsin 7-2 422 25 - very average team, not really sure if they belong in the top 25 this year
24. Kentucky6-3 159 15 nice story that has run its course
25. Clemson 6-2 145 NR - another average team that just seems to self destruct every year.
25. South Carolina 6-3 131 17

Dropped out
No. 18 Virginia (7-2, lost to N.C. State 29-24)); No. 20 California (5-3, lost to then-No. 7 Arizona State 31-20); No. 22 Penn State (6-3, lost to No. 1 Ohio State 37-17)[/QUOTE]

Seems like the USA Today still actually believes the SEC is better than anybody else, too bad they don't actually base it on what happens on the field of battle. Even die heart SEC fans realize their conference is having an off season.

ironman4579
10-28-2007, 12:45 PM
AP Poll

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex

1. Ohio State (59) 9-0 1,615
2. Boston College (1) 8-0 1,501
3. LSU (3) 7-1 1,478
4. Oregon 7-1 1,417
5. Oklahoma 7-1 1,365
6. Arizona State (2) 8-0 1,310
7. West Virginia 7-1 1,286
8. Kansas 8-0 1,164
9. Missouri 7-1 1,121
10. Georgia 6-2 949
11. Virginia Tech 6-2 823
12. Hawaii 8-0 776
13. USC 6-2 742
14. Texas 7-2 728
15. Michigan 7-2 726
16. Connecticut 7-1 555
17. Alabama 6-2 547
18. Florida 5-3 532
19. Auburn 6-3 530
20. South Florida 6-2 392
21. Wake Forest 6-2 259
21. Boise State 7-1 259
23. South Carolina 6-3 196
24. Tennessee 5-3 165
25. Clemson 6-2 146

Dropped From Rankings
Kentucky 14, California 18, Virginia 21, Penn State 24, Rutgers 25.

Others Receiving Votes
Wisconsin 132, California 131, Kentucky 123, Virginia 33, Penn State 30, Purdue 22, Brigham Young 22, Troy 13, Kansas State 12, UCLA 11, Oklahoma State 5, Illinois 4, New Mexico 4, Rutgers 1.

kwilk103
10-28-2007, 12:46 PM
things i dont get about coaches poll

uga jumping 10 spots?
auburn, kentucky, s car still ranked

kentucky and s car lost to unranked teams and uk lost at home; i can see auburn cuz they lost to 2 ranked teams, but not #16

wvu will climb next week; either jump az st or oregon, and hopefully lsu; we lost a spot, but we actually gained points while teams in front like ou lost points

neko4
10-28-2007, 12:48 PM
all those teams have lost a game, ASU is 8-0
LSU plays one of the toughest scheds in football
Oregon just beat USC

ironman4579
10-28-2007, 12:51 PM
things i dont get about coaches poll

uga jumping 10 spots?
auburn, kentucky, s car still ranked

kentucky and s car lost to unranked teams and uk lost at home; i can see auburn cuz they lost to 2 ranked teams, but not #16

wvu will climb next week; either jump az st or oregon, and hopefully lsu; we lost a spot, but we actually gained points while teams in front like ou lost points

I could see WVU jumping AZ State, but I don't see any way they jump Oregon.

kwilk103
10-28-2007, 12:54 PM
I could see WVU jumping AZ State, but I don't see any way they jump Oregon.


right now, wvu and oregon are seperated by roughly 100 points in the coaches; oregon would have 2 losses, wvu 1; i say it would happen

Turtlepower
10-28-2007, 01:08 PM
There is no reason that Oklahoma should be ahead of ASU or Oregon. None what so ever.

ironman4579
10-28-2007, 01:08 PM
right now, wvu and oregon are seperated by roughly 100 points in the coaches; oregon would have 2 losses, wvu 1; i say it would happen

Well yes, clearly if Oregon lost then ok, that's a little obvious and doesn't even need to be stated. But if both teams have one loss then no. 100+ points is a little tougher to make up if both teams have one loss than you make it sound. And despite USC not being near as good as they have been, beating USC still holds some power in the minds of the voters IMO. Hey, I'm just happy Michigan's back up in the 14/15 area.

kwilk103
10-28-2007, 01:13 PM
they'd jump both; oregon would have 2 losses, and az st is only 1 spot ahead of us; even if they fell 1 spot, we'd jump them

ironman4579
10-28-2007, 01:17 PM
Tthey'd jump both; oregon would have 2 losses, and az st is only 1 spot ahead of us; even if they fell 1 spot, we'd jump them

That's my point though. If Oregon has a second loss, of course WVU would jump them. AZ State, I agree. But if Oregon has one loss, no way you'd jump them, which was my original point. In your original post, you never said anything about Oregon having another loss as the reason you'd jump them.

kwilk103
10-28-2007, 01:22 PM
T

That's my point though. If Oregon has a second loss, of course WVU would jump them. AZ State, I agree. But if Oregon has one loss, no way you'd jump them, which was my original point. In your original post, you never said anything about Oregon having another loss as the reason you'd jump them.

my bad; i said wvu would jump either az st or oregon; i just assumed that you knew they were playin each other next week, hence why i said either one

ironman4579
10-28-2007, 01:24 PM
my bad; i said wvu would jump either az st or oregon; i just assumed that you knew they were playin each other next week, hence why i said either one

My bad. Looks like the confusion was actually on my part. I didn't realize that game was next week. Sorry about that.

Sniper
10-28-2007, 01:30 PM
I could see WVU jumping AZ State, but I don't see any way they jump Oregon.

If they win out, I can't see ASU being jumped by WVU

bearsfan_51
10-28-2007, 01:31 PM
If they win out, I can't see ASU being jumped by ASU

That'd be pretty hard to do.

Turtlepower
10-28-2007, 01:35 PM
I don't know if this is true, but I heard that on the East Coast they cut off the ASU v. Cal game at 1am?

Sniper
10-28-2007, 01:38 PM
That'd be pretty hard to do.

Hahahaha I meant WVU

jballa838
10-28-2007, 02:50 PM
That'd be pretty hard to do.
Yeah, I don't see appalachian state jumping Arizona State if arizona state wins out either

kwilk103
10-28-2007, 03:04 PM
I don't know if this is true, but I heard that on the East Coast they cut off the ASU v. Cal game at 1am?


i watched it till like 1:30 then put on espn

fenikz
10-28-2007, 04:30 PM
Wow these polls are stupid, ASU should be #2 behind BC, who has Ohio State beat? and why is Oregon ahead of ASU with a loss?

BrownsTown
10-28-2007, 04:34 PM
Wow these polls are stupid, ASU should be #2 behind BC, who has Ohio State beat? and why is Oregon ahead of ASU with a loss?

OSU has beaten Purdue, MSU, and Penn St. They're no slouches.

duckseason
10-28-2007, 04:43 PM
Wow these polls are stupid, ASU should be #2 behind BC, who has Ohio State beat? and why is Oregon ahead of ASU with a loss?

Seeing that we play this week, it really doesn't matter either way. It'll be accurate come next Sunday. I think the voters realize that we are the better team and will most likely beat ASU on Saturday. I think I'd actually rather be ranked below them. It just looks that much better if we win.

Turtlepower
10-28-2007, 04:48 PM
OSU has beaten Purdue, MSU, and Penn St. They're no slouches.

Is that sarcasm? Because it better be.

Turtlepower
10-28-2007, 04:51 PM
Seeing that we play this week, it really doesn't matter either way. It'll be accurate come next Sunday. I think the voters realize that we are the better team and will most likely beat ASU on Saturday. I think I'd actually rather be ranked below them. It just looks that much better if we win.

We should be ranked ahead of you guys this week, but I do agree that it doesn't really matter because next week's game decides the PAC-10 title.

ironman4579
10-28-2007, 04:55 PM
Is that sarcasm? Because it better be.

I'm definately not an OSU fan, but who has ASU beat that's better? Cal and Colorado?

BrownsTown
10-28-2007, 04:56 PM
Is that sarcasm? Because it better be.

Not at all, they're good teams. Not amazing, but good. They're like the teams that others have lost to. Penn St. is in the same boat as Cal right now, both unranked with 3 losses. And VT is just massively overrated. Not one of the 3 unbeatens have really played a great team yet, until ASU plays Oregon this week.

Turtlepower
10-28-2007, 04:57 PM
I'm definately not an OSU fan, but who has ASU beat that's better? Cal and Colorado?

I would say that Cal is better than every team that BC and OSU has played.

BrownsTown
10-28-2007, 05:00 PM
I would say that Cal is better than every team that BC and OSU has played.

Of course you would, because that makes your team look better. Heads up, Cal lost to fricking Oregon State. And a bad UCLA team. Cal aint that good.

draftguru151
10-28-2007, 05:02 PM
Yea, Cal is very close to being a 4-4 team. If that is your best win, you really don't have much room to trash someone else's schedule.

CARDIAC CAT 7
10-28-2007, 05:03 PM
If ASU wins out and Boston College wins out and LSU still has the same amount of loses, ASU better be in the National Championship game, if all theyre games where not a 10 EST then alot more people would realize how good they are, the PAC is the 2nd strongest confrence this year, if ASU would just get off to faster starts they would be blowing out teams and be ranked 2nd right now.

duckseason
10-28-2007, 05:03 PM
We should be ranked ahead of you guys this week, but I do agree that it doesn't really matter because next week's game decides the PAC-10 title.

That's your opinion, and the voters have theirs. It's not all about the record. Well, unless you're BC. Watching both teams play, it's not surprising that most people are more impressed with the Ducks. Honestly, I don't think you guys will put up much of a fight against us at Autzen this week. I respect your team and your record, but I just can't see you guys containing us. Nothing homerish about that. I thought SC might beat us this past week, but I see us beating you guys by a tidy margin on Saturday. Beat us, and I'll have you guys ranked #1. That will be as impressive a victory as anybody has had this year. As of right now though, we've been the more impressive team.

ironman4579
10-28-2007, 05:04 PM
I would say that Cal is better than every team that BC and OSU has played.

You might, I certainly wouldn't. Forget BC. They beat on overrated VaTech team. I would say Cal is a wash with PSU. PSU's defense is far superior to Cal's. Cal's offense is far superior to PSU's. It's at best a wash. Neither team is anything special though. I can't believe I'm defending Ohio State.

BrownsTown
10-28-2007, 05:07 PM
If ASU wins out and Boston College wins out and LSU still has the same amount of loses, ASU better be in the National Championship game, if all theyre games where not a 10 EST then alot more people would realize how good they are, the PAC is the 2nd strongest confrence this year, if ASU would just get off to faster starts they would be blowing out teams and be ranked 2nd right now.

You forgot someone.

I say if ASU wins out, beating USC and Oregon, along with BC and OSU winning out, then OSU vs ASU should be the matchup. The ACC is awful. LSU wouldn't jump an undefeated team. Hopefully.

ironman4579
10-28-2007, 05:11 PM
If ASU wins out and Boston College wins out and LSU still has the same amount of loses, ASU better be in the National Championship game, if all theyre games where not a 10 EST then alot more people would realize how good they are, the PAC is the 2nd strongest confrence this year, if ASU would just get off to faster starts they would be blowing out teams and be ranked 2nd right now.

Seriously? I would have kind of agreed at the start of the year, but not now. They have 3 bowl eligible teams right now. I admit, Oregon is a great team. I love them. ASU hasn't played anyone, and USC is not close to what they were(although they're still a good team with a great defense). If ASU beats Oregon(which I don't think they'll come close to)I might change my tune. I guess I might call them the second best conference because everyone else is having a down year, but not because they have a bunch of great teams this year.

Turtlepower
10-28-2007, 05:15 PM
You forgot someone.

I say if ASU wins out, beating USC and Oregon, along with BC and OSU winning out, then OSU vs ASU should be the matchup. The ACC is awful. LSU wouldn't jump an undefeated team. Hopefully.

Yeah, I'm really hoping that voters aren't stupid enough for LSU to jump either BC, ASU, or OSU. I am on the fence about Kansas. Kansas might possibly play only 1 ranked team this year (Mizzu) before the Big 12 championship game. Honestly, Kansas has never looked that impressive to me. I think Mizzu is overrated, but I don't know what to say if there are 2 unbeaten teams and 1 of those teams in Kansas. I would say let them play in the NC, but I would hope for not a blowout.

Edit: College Gameday is going to Eugene for the second time this year!!!!!! (http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=3383&SPID=233&ATCLID=1290985&DB_OEM_ID=500)

Turtlepower
10-28-2007, 06:54 PM
BCS Standings
1. Ohio State 9-0
2. Boston College 8-0
3. LSU 7-1
4. Arizona State 8-0
5. Oregon 7-1
6. Oklahoma 7-1
7. West Virginia 7-1
8. Kansas 8-0
9. Missouri 7-1
10. Georgia 6-2
11. Virginia Tech 6-2
12. Michigan 7-2
13. Connecticut 7-1
14. Hawaii 8-0
15. Texas 7-2
16. Auburn 6-3
17. Alabama 6-2
18. South Florida 6-2
19. USC 6-2
20. Florida 5-3
21. Wisconsin 7-2
22. Boise State 7-1
23. Virginia 7-2
24. Wake Forest 6-2
25. Clemson 6-2

Not many changes up top. Should get crazy again next week.

B-Dawk
10-28-2007, 06:57 PM
wow its gonna take me a while to get used to being ranked nationally

scottyboy
10-28-2007, 06:59 PM
wow its gonna take me a while to get used to being ranked nationally

dont get used to it. you play WVU and RU soon. not a chance you win both of those games.

Turtlepower
10-28-2007, 07:01 PM
Biggest surprise to me is that Boise State is back up there.

B-Dawk
10-28-2007, 07:03 PM
dont get used to it. you play WVU and RU soon. not a chance you win both of those games.

if we beat rutgers at home this week, and then lose to wvu on the road, i dont see us falling out of the rankings.

Turtlepower
10-28-2007, 07:05 PM
if we beat rutgers at home this week, and then lose to wvu on the road, i dont see us falling out of the rankings.

Losing to Rutgers you guys won't fall out, but 2 straight might. Have faith because a good team always has some luck on their side.

fenikz
10-28-2007, 07:06 PM
In general I agree with the BCS standings

scottyboy
10-28-2007, 07:07 PM
if we beat rutgers at home this week, and then lose to wvu on the road, i dont see us falling out of the rankings.

well beating RU would improve you b/c the voters know that they are still a very good team. But i dont think you'll score on us. dropping what, 21? on louisville is pretty bad. 7 of which came of a bogus fair catch non call

Turtlepower
10-28-2007, 07:08 PM
In general I agree with the BCS standings

Computer actually has ASU tied for #2 with OSU while BC is #1.

D-Unit
10-28-2007, 07:13 PM
BCS Standings
1. Ohio State 9-0
2. Boston College 8-0
3. LSU 7-1
4. Arizona State 8-0
5. Oregon 7-1
6. Oklahoma 7-1
7. West Virginia 7-1
8. Kansas 8-0
9. Missouri 7-1
10. Georgia 6-2
11. Virginia Tech 6-2
12. Michigan 7-2
13. Connecticut 7-1
14. Hawaii 8-0
15. Texas 7-2
16. Auburn 6-3
17. Alabama 6-2
18. South Florida 6-2
19. USC 6-2
20. Florida 5-3
21. Wisconsin 7-2
22. Boise State 7-1
23. Virginia 7-2
24. Wake Forest 6-2
25. Clemson 6-2

Not many changes up top. Should get crazy again next week.
Best Year in the History of Hawaii Football!!! Doesn't get better than this...

B-Dawk
10-28-2007, 07:16 PM
well beating RU would improve you b/c the voters know that they are still a very good team. But i dont think you'll score on us. dropping what, 21? on louisville is pretty bad. 7 of which came of a bogus fair catch non call

its going to be a low scoring game for sure. I expect to see heavy doses of Ray Rice and Andre Dixon for each team.

Turtlepower
10-28-2007, 07:18 PM
Best Year in the History of Hawaii Football!!! Doesn't get better than this...

Hawaii has a football team? I thought they just surfed and got leied. =D

LonghornsLegend
10-28-2007, 08:27 PM
Arizona St shouldnt be complaining about where they are ranked, they can prove their spot in their next game vs Oregon, they beat them and they will get all the respect they deserve

weezer1195
10-28-2007, 10:43 PM
Hawaii being ranked that high is a joke

Iamcanadian
10-28-2007, 10:56 PM
What a piece of junk. The BCS is so biased towards the SEC, it's becoming a joke. How is Florida even ranked and how does Georgia move up anything for beating an obviously overrated team. Unbelievable.
When you examine LSU's wins against Auburn, Florida and South Carolina all at home and realize they barely beat these teams, it's a sad day for college football. I'm a Michigan fan and I cannot find any justification for ranking us 12, heck, we lost to a Div 2 school. The BCS is totally warped because they told the computers that the SEC is the #1 conference and the computer keeps spitting out these ridiculous rankings. I guess if Georgia can jump 10 spots for beating Florida then if Alabama beats LSU, they jump to the top 5 since the SEC is so superior.
I don't think Conneticut will win the Big East and end up being a top 10 team but they are currently in 1st place and should be ranked in the top 10. Again just total bias against the Big East. They certainly deserve to be ranked ahead of Michigan, Virginia Tech and Georgia. There can be no other justification for these absurd ranking.
The BCS has fallen to a new low and I would guess it is based on dollars. The BCS simply cannot afford to send schools like West Virginia, Arizona St, Oregon, Kansas, Missouri and Conneticut to a BCS game because they know that their TV rating would be dramatically affected for the worse. They badly need 'name schools' to draw huge TV audiences to keep the Bowls happy and the dollars rolling in.
Clearly whoever isn't included in the NC game will be getting robbed and whoever wins the NC will be one of the weakest teams ever to do so.
I just hate it when obvious biases create a totally unfair ranking based on trick mirrors and are completely not justified by what is happening on the field of play.

Turtlepower
10-28-2007, 11:02 PM
Arizona St shouldnt be complaining about where they are ranked, they can prove their spot in their next game vs Oregon, they beat them and they will get all the respect they deserve

Yeah, that is why I'm not sweating it too much. Next game is the real statement game. The next game possibly decides who wins the PAC-10.

kmartin575
10-29-2007, 11:05 PM
Yeah, I'm really hoping that voters aren't stupid enough for LSU to jump either BC, ASU, or OSU. I am on the fence about Kansas. Kansas might possibly play only 1 ranked team this year (Mizzu) before the Big 12 championship game. Honestly, Kansas has never looked that impressive to me. I think Mizzu is overrated, but I don't know what to say if there are 2 unbeaten teams and 1 of those teams in Kansas. I would say let them play in the NC, but I would hope for not a blowout.

Edit: College Gameday is going to Eugene for the second time this year!!!!!! (http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=3383&SPID=233&ATCLID=1290985&DB_OEM_ID=500)

Kansas will not be undefeated after the Missouri game. I can't wait to see Missouri crush those frauds.

jballa838
10-29-2007, 11:19 PM
What a piece of junk. The BCS is so biased towards the SEC, it's becoming a joke. How is Florida even ranked and how does Georgia move up anything for beating an obviously overrated team. Unbelievable.
When you examine LSU's wins against Auburn, Florida and South Carolina all at home and realize they barely beat these teams, it's a sad day for college football. I'm a Michigan fan and I cannot find any justification for ranking us 12, heck, we lost to a Div 2 school. The BCS is totally warped because they told the computers that the SEC is the #1 conference and the computer keeps spitting out these ridiculous rankings. I guess if Georgia can jump 10 spots for beating Florida then if Alabama beats LSU, they jump to the top 5 since the SEC is so superior.
I don't think Conneticut will win the Big East and end up being a top 10 team but they are currently in 1st place and should be ranked in the top 10. Again just total bias against the Big East. They certainly deserve to be ranked ahead of Michigan, Virginia Tech and Georgia. There can be no other justification for these absurd ranking.
The BCS has fallen to a new low and I would guess it is based on dollars. The BCS simply cannot afford to send schools like West Virginia, Arizona St, Oregon, Kansas, Missouri and Conneticut to a BCS game because they know that their TV rating would be dramatically affected for the worse. They badly need 'name schools' to draw huge TV audiences to keep the Bowls happy and the dollars rolling in.
Clearly whoever isn't included in the NC game will be getting robbed and whoever wins the NC will be one of the weakest teams ever to do so.
I just hate it when obvious biases create a totally unfair ranking based on trick mirrors and are completely not justified by what is happening on the field of play.
i personally hate watching the national powers every year, and i want to see an underdog have a SHOT at a National Championship. West Virginia-Oregon would be an amazing game, BC-Hawaii, etc. Give me a play-off.
and a final word:
Boise State made the "if" a lot bigger last year, and how many truely thought Oklahoma- Boise State would go into overtime and you'd see a "david" triumph a "goliath" by doing it all right, by outsmarting them, and by having the guts to go for it instead of send it to 2OT.
and football isnt played on paper or in a computer, so just because a computer says Hawaii can't keep up with a LSU, doesnt mean it wouldnt happen.

nfrillman
10-31-2007, 03:48 PM
My quick assessment of the BCS and college football. The Big 10 and Big East are overrated, especially the Big 10. The ACC is a probably the weakest BCS conference. The SEC is the best conference, but that is due to being good top to bottom, they do not have several of the best teams in the nation as we are led to believe. Florida and LSU are legit year in and year out, everyone else gets ranked far too easily and moves up far too easily. If a Big 10 fan is going to attack the Big 12 because of my sig, I have already done some research, since 2005 the Big 12 is 7-2 against the Big 10.

duckseason
10-31-2007, 04:02 PM
My quick assessment of the BCS and college football. The Big 10 and Big East are overrated, especially the Big 10. The ACC is a probably the weakest BCS conference. The SEC is the best conference, but that is due to being good top to bottom, they do not have several of the best teams in the nation as we are led to believe. Florida and LSU are legit year in and year out, everyone else gets ranked far too easily and moves up far too easily. If a Big 10 fan is going to attack the Big 12 because of my sig, I have already done some research, since 2005 the Big 12 is 7-2 against the Big 10.

So where do you have the Pac10? Very good from top to bottom as well, just two less teams.

draftguru151
10-31-2007, 04:09 PM
ESPN has a list of bowl eligible teams by conference. Pretty interesting list. SEC already has 6 teams and has 5 more a win away. Pac-10 is only 3 and 3. Big Ten is 6 and 3. ACC is 5 and 3. Doesn't seem like the Pac-10 is that great top to bottom compared to the other conferences.

duckseason
10-31-2007, 04:48 PM
ESPN has a list of bowl eligible teams by conference. Pretty interesting list. SEC already has 6 teams and has 5 more a win away. Pac-10 is only 3 and 3. Big Ten is 6 and 3. ACC is 5 and 3. Doesn't seem like the Pac-10 is that great top to bottom compared to the other conferences.

That's really what you base your opinion on? One team's 5-3 is another team's 3-5. I think we all understand that by now. The only way to evaluate a team with any measure of accuracy is to watch them. Let's not forget that the Pac10 plays a round robin, and has 10 teams rather than 11 or 12 like most of the others. There's also a big difference between Washington taking on tOSU and Boise St, and Vandy taking on Richmond and Directional Michigan. Making a bowl game with a full Pac10 slate is very difficult. Especially for the teams that added in some legit competition rather than glorified byes or games they'd clearly be favored in.

Everybody is certainly free to see things how they choose and form their own opinions, but I just find it odd that a guy as football-savvy as you would put much stock in the data you cited above.

Iamcanadian
10-31-2007, 09:52 PM
That's really what you base your opinion on? One team's 5-3 is another team's 3-5. I think we all understand that by now. The only way to evaluate a team with any measure of accuracy is to watch them. Let's not forget that the Pac10 plays a round robin, and has 10 teams rather than 11 or 12 like most of the others. There's also a big difference between Washington taking on tOSU and Boise St, and Vandy taking on Richmond and Directional Michigan. Making a bowl game with a full Pac10 slate is very difficult. Especially for the teams that added in some legit competition rather than glorified byes or games they'd clearly be favored in.

Everybody is certainly free to see things how they choose and form their own opinions, but I just find it odd that a guy as football-savvy as you would put much stock in the data you cited above.

I agree, the Pac 10 has traditionally played the toughest OOCS for awhile now. This year, I'd rate the Pac 10 as the #1 conference , SEC #2, Big East #3, ACC #4, Big 10 #5 and the Big 12 #6. However the final #'s will depend on how the conferences do in Bowl games. That is really the only way to judge conferences.

draftguru151
10-31-2007, 11:03 PM
That's really what you base your opinion on? One team's 5-3 is another team's 3-5. I think we all understand that by now. The only way to evaluate a team with any measure of accuracy is to watch them. Let's not forget that the Pac10 plays a round robin, and has 10 teams rather than 11 or 12 like most of the others. There's also a big difference between Washington taking on tOSU and Boise St, and Vandy taking on Richmond and Directional Michigan. Making a bowl game with a full Pac10 slate is very difficult. Especially for the teams that added in some legit competition rather than glorified byes or games they'd clearly be favored in.

Everybody is certainly free to see things how they choose and form their own opinions, but I just find it odd that a guy as football-savvy as you would put much stock in the data you cited above.

I think you took that a little too literally. I was just pointing out something I found interesting when looking through the list of bowl eligible teams.

As far as what I do think, top to bottom, the Pac 10 isn't that impressive. ASU and Oregon are great teams. USC and UCLA have sick defenses but USC's offense is extremely disappointing and UCLA's offense just isn't that good. Cal looked great but since the Oregon game they have looked awful with Riley/banged up Longshore. OSU is a solid team but I'd probably rank them 9th in the SEC. The bottom 4 teams just aren't very good. No conference is standing out this year really but the Pac 10 isn't that much better than the Big 12 if they even are and I'd probably put both below the Big Ten.

jballa838
10-31-2007, 11:12 PM
I think you took that a little too literally. I was just pointing out something I found interesting when looking through the list of bowl eligible teams.

As far as what I do think, top to bottom, the Pac 10 isn't that impressive. ASU and Oregon are great teams. USC and UCLA have sick defenses but USC's offense is extremely disappointing and UCLA's offense just isn't that good. Cal looked great but since the Oregon game they have looked awful with Riley/banged up Longshore. OSU is a solid team but I'd probably rank them 9th in the SEC. The bottom 4 teams just aren't very good. No conference is standing out this year really but the Pac 10 isn't that much better than the Big 12 if they even are and I'd probably put both below the Big Ten.
yeah UW puts up a better fight then penn state against OSU, beats the **** out of a syracuse them that beat louisville and.....
BEAT BOISE STATE TO GIVE THEM A LOSS FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 2005.
UW keeps up with SC, plays oregon well for 3.5, plays ASU well for a while.
"HOW YOU GOING TO PENALIZE A TEAM THAT DOES EVERYTHING RIGHT, BUT DOESNT PREFORM WELL ON SATURDAYS?"

soybean
10-31-2007, 11:15 PM
well WAZZU kept it close against wisconsin for most of the game and Washington kept it close against OSU for a half, and those are our bottom teams.

I'd even wager that Stanford could keep up if not beat MSU with tavita pritchard as the qb. they lost against TCU by a point but was in control for most of the game.

RockJock07
11-01-2007, 12:25 AM
I think this ASU/Oregon will be a great match-up but even if ASU wins (I don't think they will) they still have a very tough schedule. Granted they get USC and UA at home but those rivalry games are always very tough.

Here's what i see going on.
1) I think BC loses, probably to the U if not in the ACC champ game so that takes them out of the NC pic.

2) If LSU runs the table, im sorry, they need to be in the NC game.

That leaves 4 or 5 teams battling for one spot. Let's just say both Oregon and OSU run the table that would be the worst case for the BCS. I think OSU needs to go undefeated, if they loss to Michigan i think they are out.

That leaves Oregon, Big 12 winner, and West Virgina. I think you give the edge to Oregon then Kansas/Oklahoma/Missouri, then WV. All of that leads be to this:

Oregon/LSU NC game
OSU/ASU Rose Bowl
Hawaii/West Virgina Sugar
Oklahoma/ACC winner Orange
USC/Missouri Fiesta

(If Hawaii wins out, they have to be in and they have Boise St. to thank for that)

We had great BCS games last year, but this year's, whoever goes where, will be good.

duckseason
11-01-2007, 12:35 AM
I think you took that a little too literally. I was just pointing out something I found interesting when looking through the list of bowl eligible teams.

As far as what I do think, top to bottom, the Pac 10 isn't that impressive. ASU and Oregon are great teams. USC and UCLA have sick defenses but USC's offense is extremely disappointing and UCLA's offense just isn't that good. Cal looked great but since the Oregon game they have looked awful with Riley/banged up Longshore. OSU is a solid team but I'd probably rank them 9th in the SEC. The bottom 4 teams just aren't very good. No conference is standing out this year really but the Pac 10 isn't that much better than the Big 12 if they even are and I'd probably put both below the Big Ten.

I did take it literally. But only because you didn't appear to mean in it in any other manner than serious.

Obviously, I strongly disagree with your opinion regarding the Pac10 conference. Not much else to say than that. I guess we'll have to wait and see how the bowl games turn out. Thus far, I don't see any other conference out there competing with themselves so fiercely as they do in the Pac10. And we've looked good outside the conference as well. Maybe it's just that I naturally follow these teams a bit closer than you. I'm sure you know the ACC/SEC a bit better than I do too. You should know better than anybody that there are teams in both those conference that would end up at the bottom of the Pac10 as well. Oregon St may be the 9th best team in the SEC, but we don't know that for sure. Just like how we don't know how Arkansas or Kentucky would fare out west. I do know that there isn't much of a difference between 5th and 9th in the Pac10 though. I also think some people have a tough time comparing a 12 team conference to a 10 team conference, which is understandable.

I'm not gonna sit here and act like the Pac10 is clearly superior to the SEC. I just don't believe that, and I have no way of accurately measuring each conference's true strength. I'd actually probably lean toward the SEC on that one. But I do believe that the Pac10 is more competitive than any conference other than the SEC right now. I've made numerous posts on the subject, so I won't sit here and repeat the same mantra. It just seems obvious to me. The bottom line is that every team is competitive with each other on a yearly basis, and we also have fared very well against out of conference competition at the same time. There are many examples of Pac10 teams beating or competing with big favorites from other conferences such as the Big10 or SEC. This year is no different. When was the last time Vandy or Ole Miss was in contention for the SEC title? When was the last time Minnesota beat Ohio St? And having Baylor and Iowa St in the Big12 would be like us having New Mexico St and Idaho in the Pac10. Remember, every team counts when you're comparing conferences. Northwestern is just as representative of the Big10 as Michigan. The Pac10 equivalent is competing with the leaders in their conference.

nfrillman
11-01-2007, 01:42 AM
So where do you have the Pac10? Very good from top to bottom as well, just two less teams.

I have the Pac 10 as the second best conference. That is the conference I enjoy watching most besides the Big 12. The SEC can be mind-numbing to watch. Big 10 people need to recognize that the Big 10 is a weak conference. It is not better than the Big 12. Two Big 10 teams lost to division 1AA teams, including its second best team. And as noted earlier, since 2005 the Big 12 is 7-2 against the Big 10. The conference pecking order goes as follows:
SEC
Pac 10
Big 12
Big East
Big 10
ACC

draftguru151
11-01-2007, 07:55 AM
I did take it literally. But only because you didn't appear to mean in it in any other manner than serious.

Obviously, I strongly disagree with your opinion regarding the Pac10 conference. Not much else to say than that. I guess we'll have to wait and see how the bowl games turn out. Thus far, I don't see any other conference out there competing with themselves so fiercely as they do in the Pac10. And we've looked good outside the conference as well. Maybe it's just that I naturally follow these teams a bit closer than you. I'm sure you know the ACC/SEC a bit better than I do too. You should know better than anybody that there are teams in both those conference that would end up at the bottom of the Pac10 as well. Oregon St may be the 9th best team in the SEC, but we don't know that for sure. Just like how we don't know how Arkansas or Kentucky would fare out west. I do know that there isn't much of a difference between 5th and 9th in the Pac10 though. I also think some people have a tough time comparing a 12 team conference to a 10 team conference, which is understandable.

Every conference is doing that. Ole Miss nearly beat UF, Miss St beat Auburn and Kentucky. Vandy beat SCar. Hell, the ACC beats the crap out of each other. If you wanna go use a conference that is equal talent pretty much all the way through look at the ACC. That really isn't a good argument for the talent of the conference, but really knocking the top teams in the conference that they struggle with these teams.

You say every team counts for the other conferences, but that is why I don't think the Pac 10 is as good as you are saying this year. You bring up with was Vandy in contention. I'm talking about this year. Vandy is a win from being bowl eligible. There are 4 bad teams in the pac 10 out of 10, the SEC has 1 out of 12. The Big 12 has 3 out of 12. The Big Ten has 4 our of 11. I usually like the Pac 10 but this year as a whole they aren't that great. The whole so and so doesn't compete for the title in the SEC like in the Pac 10 is pretty irrelevant when we're talking about this year, especially when the Pac 10 has more teams that aren't competing that the other conferences.

Iamcanadian
11-01-2007, 11:52 AM
Every conference is doing that. Ole Miss nearly beat UF, Miss St beat Auburn and Kentucky. Vandy beat SCar. Hell, the ACC beats the crap out of each other. If you wanna go use a conference that is equal talent pretty much all the way through look at the ACC. That really isn't a good argument for the talent of the conference, but really knocking the top teams in the conference that they struggle with these teams.

You say every team counts for the other conferences, but that is why I don't think the Pac 10 is as good as you are saying this year. You bring up with was Vandy in contention. I'm talking about this year. Vandy is a win from being bowl eligible. There are 4 bad teams in the pac 10 out of 10, the SEC has 1 out of 12. The Big 12 has 3 out of 12. The Big Ten has 4 our of 11. I usually like the Pac 10 but this year as a whole they aren't that great. The whole so and so doesn't compete for the title in the SEC like in the Pac 10 is pretty irrelevant when we're talking about this year, especially when the Pac 10 has more teams that aren't competing that the other conferences.

What has Bowl eligible got to do with it. Vanderbilt is guaranteed to win its 3 OOCS schedule which is really weak and only has to win 3 out of 9 games against real Div 1 teams to make them Bowl Eligible. Hardly a significant accomplishment.
1 out of 12, what a joke. Yeah, I'm sure every conference would be shaking in their boots to have to play Mississippi, Mississippi St, Vanderbilt and Arkansas and Tennessee. Even Kentucky and Florida don't look too scary to me. Oh, Auburn lost its OOC game as well.
Does the SEC even have a top 10 worthy team, we'll see how LSU does against Alabama this weekend???
The Big 12 as #2, now your joking right. Outside of Texas and Oklahoma, this conference has been poor for quite a few years and Texas isn't much this year and Oklahoma has beaten only Missouri. I not at all sure that Oklahoma, Texas Missouri and Kansas would even be in the top 4 of the Pac 10 this year.
The Pac 10 isn't that great this year. They have the #4 and #5 teams in the country and I'd wager one of them will make the NC game either Oregon or Arizona St. whoever wins on Saturday. Last I looked Cal had crushed Tennessee and they are no better that #4 or #5 in the Pac 10. Every Pac 10 school at least scheduled 1 OOC game that is tough. They are the only conference that actually does that. The rest of the conferences avoid tough OOC games like the plague although there are some exceptions. In the end the Bowl games will decide who is the best conference but your assertions seem way out of line to me.

duckseason
11-01-2007, 12:16 PM
Every conference is doing that. Ole Miss nearly beat UF, Miss St beat Auburn and Kentucky. Vandy beat SCar. Hell, the ACC beats the crap out of each other. If you wanna go use a conference that is equal talent pretty much all the way through look at the ACC. That really isn't a good argument for the talent of the conference, but really knocking the top teams in the conference that they struggle with these teams.
Well, that's the way you see it, but I see it differently. I see the top of the Pac-10 as just as good as any other conference. Yet, we have the very bottom teams such as Stanford and WSU competing or beating teams like ASU and USC. It just seems to me as though teams like tOSU and Oklahoma have a much easier time winning games within their own conference than teams like SC and Oregon do. If it's your opinion that teams like SC, Oregon, ASU and Cal aren't as good as teams like BC, Virginia, VT and Wake Forest, that's fine. But I wholeheartedly disagree.

You say every team counts for the other conferences, but that is why I don't think the Pac 10 is as good as you are saying this year. You bring up with was Vandy in contention. I'm talking about this year. Vandy is a win from being bowl eligible. There are 4 bad teams in the pac 10 out of 10, the SEC has 1 out of 12. The Big 12 has 3 out of 12. The Big Ten has 4 our of 11. I usually like the Pac 10 but this year as a whole they aren't that great. The whole so and so doesn't compete for the title in the SEC like in the Pac 10 is pretty irrelevant when we're talking about this year, especially when the Pac 10 has more teams that aren't competing that the other conferences.
Vandy is a win from being bowl eligible. Wow. Who gives a crap about that. I thought we established the fact that bowl eligibility is not an accurate barometer of the true strength of a given team. If those 4 bottom teams in the Pac10 are "bad," then so are teams like Vandy. But I don't believe that. Vandy is mediocre, just like Washington.

See, Washington may look bad to you because they are winless in the Pac10 and have only won 2 games overall. But they've competed in pretty much every game they've played. Including match ups against elite teams like tOSU and Oregon. And they had no problem beating Boise St. In reality, Washington is a competitive team. They just have a schedule that features a lot of teams that are just as good or better. That's life in the Pac10. You say our bottom teams are so bad, but they've all competed with some of the best teams from other conferences and within this conference. That is not a sign of being bad. Sometimes a team can be more impressive in a loss than another is in a win. Washington isn't nearly as far from a conference championship as Duke or Mississippi is. They're actually quite close to it. But I don't expect you to be able to see that by looking exclusively at their record.

My opinion of the strengths and weaknesses of various teams is always based on what I see from them on the field. Records and bowl eligibility are the bottom line for these schools, but they're definitely not the best indicator of true strength.