Better year as a sophmore QB...Mccoy or Tebow

[LonghornsLegend]

Which qb has the better year and takes their team further

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Which qb has the better year and takes their team further

I like the new name.

Anyway, I'm inclined to say McCoy on this one, just because it's almost certain he'll be at the very least solid, whereas Tebow is a complete wildcard. He really hasn't proven anything other than his ability to run to one side.

[LonghornsLegend]

Which qb has the better year and takes their team further

I like the new name.

Anyway, I'm inclined to say McCoy on this one, just because it's almost certain he'll be at the very least solid, whereas Tebow is a complete wildcard. He really hasn't proven anything other than his ability to run to one side.


ya it was a lil outdated lol, preciate it though...


but i thought tebow just only ran the ball because they had leak throwing, i didnt think it was because he couldnt do it...so this next year he will be doing all of it on his own in an offense that suits his style...where as mccoy wont have to start the year slow learning the offense

[BengalsPwn]

Well against west/east carolina (cant remember which one) he came in after the 2nd quarter and threw for 200 yards and 2 tds and rushed for another 2 tds in a 64-7 blowout. He can throw the ball just fine. I thnk the answer to the question is, McCoy has the bigger year stat wise, but Tebow takes his team to a BCS bowl game. Then again im just saying this cause im a gator homer.

[BuddyCHRIST]

west carolina is also an absolutely terrible team. McCoy was outstanding all last year (until he started getting injured) against good competition. Not to mention Charles, Sweed and a bunch of his other WR's are back.

[princefielder28]

I would say Colt McCoy b/c he has more experienced and faces weaker competition

[limpoporanique]

Me being a Gators fan, there will be alittle bias here, but I have to say Tebow.

[DoWnThEfiElD]

west carolina is also an absolutely terrible team. McCoy was outstanding all last year (until he started getting injured) against good competition. Not to mention Charles, Sweed and a bunch of his other WR's are back.

I agree. McCoy=somewhat proven

Tebow still has question marks

[Paranoidmoonduck]

McCoy should be really solid once again, so I gotta go with him. I don't think anyone can dispute that Tebow has a butt-ton of potential in Meyers' system, it just depends on how quickly his passing can improve.

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

I'll take Tebow.

[JT Jag]

I think McCoy will have an all-around better year next year because he has the advantage of already having a full year of starting experience.

Tebow may well outpace him before all is said and done, though.

[throwback54milkman]

Mccoy's got better talent around him, and Texas will be rejuvinzed next year (its very hard coming off a national championship, just ask Mack Brown). Ill take Mccoy

[Gribble]

Tebow's probably gonna have Alex Smith like stats this year, plus the running numbers. McCoy just has sophomore slump written all over him.

[draftguru151]

Definitely McCoy. As said Tebow is unproven while McCoy had an great freshman season. Having Sweed coming back really helps.

[KCJ58]

Tim Tebow when it's all said and done will be the greast QB off all time

[4pAc]

McCoy

[I bleed green]

Mccoy's got better talent around him, and Texas will be rejuvinzed next year (its very hard coming off a national championship, just ask Mack Brown). Ill take Mccoy

Wait, what? :shock:

[regoob2]

Probally McCoy.But fot Tebow it depends on how many players return from last years champion team

[draftguru151]

Mccoy's got better talent around him, and Texas will be rejuvinzed next year (its very hard coming off a national championship, just ask Mack Brown). Ill take Mccoy

Wait, what? :shock:

Caldwell and Harvin aren't as good as Sweed, Pittman, Charles, and Texas' OL. Texas' defense is also better.

[sweetness34]

What has Tebow proven in the passing game thus far? He's a beast of a runner but I think I've seen him throw like 2 passes this season at the goaline, one he threw a terrible ball and the other was for a wide open TD.

I think it's going to take some time for this kid.

[geaux tigers]

I dont think McCoy will last a whole season. He just looks really fragile.

[JeffSamardzijaIRISH]

Mccoy's got better talent around him, and Texas will be rejuvinzed next year (its very hard coming off a national championship, just ask Mack Brown). Ill take Mccoy

Wait, what? :shock:

Caldwell and Harvin aren't as good as Sweed, Pittman, Charles, and Texas' OL. Texas' defense is also better.

Terrance Toliver, Ahmad Paige, Chris Rainey, Jarred Fayson, Deonte Thompson, that's a hell of a lotta talent right there. I think the Gators OL is way better than Texas', and the defense is also a level higher. I see Tim Tebow being the better QB.

[geaux tigers]

Mccoy's got better talent around him, and Texas will be rejuvinzed next year (its very hard coming off a national championship, just ask Mack Brown). Ill take Mccoy

Wait, what? :shock:

Caldwell and Harvin aren't as good as Sweed, Pittman, Charles, and Texas' OL. Texas' defense is also better.

Terrance Toliver, Ahmad Paige, Chris Rainey, Jarred Fayson, Deonte Thompson, that's a hell of a lotta talent right there. I think the Gators OL is way better than Texas', and the defense is also a level higher. I see Tim Tebow being the better QB.

Toliver is heading to LSU.

[draftguru151]

Mccoy's got better talent around him, and Texas will be rejuvinzed next year (its very hard coming off a national championship, just ask Mack Brown). Ill take Mccoy

Wait, what? :shock:

Caldwell and Harvin aren't as good as Sweed, Pittman, Charles, and Texas' OL. Texas' defense is also better.

Terrance Toliver, Ahmad Paige, Chris Rainey, Jarred Fayson, Deonte Thompson, that's a hell of a lotta talent right there. I think the Gators OL is way better than Texas', and the defense is also a level higher. I see Tim Tebow being the better QB.

Florida's team is all potential. Those guys you listed have a combined 1 catch. Florida's defense is losing 7 starters, and Harvey is the only good one coming back. Texas has one of the best LB corps in college and have Okam coming back up front. They are losing 3 DBs but Texas makes DBs like nothing. Florida's OL is solid, and returning 4 starters helps compares to Texas 2, but the guys at Florida are nothing special, while Tony Hills Jr is one of the best LT in college. Florida's team has potential, but Texas has one of the top WRs and RBs in the country, while Florida has potential greats.

[AZ9er]

colt.

[I bleed green]

Caldwell and Harvin aren't as good as Sweed, Pittman, Charles, and Texas' OL. Texas' defense is also better.

I gotta disagree there. Caldwell and Harvin are insane, not to mention Cornelius Ingram as the possession receiver. Their stats may not be as flashy because the spread offense...spreads the ball around but they are better than Sweed and Pittman. Caldwell was the #4 recruit in his class and Harvin was the #1 recruit in his class, both are expected to be first day draft picks and possibly both first round. They lose Dallas Baker but Fayson or Cooper should step right in after a year of practice. The Florida OL returns 4 starters and 5* Carl Johnson from last year's class will probably step in to replace Rissler.

[draftguru151]

Caldwell isn't as good as Sweed and is much more likely a 3rd rounder next year than a 1st rounder. What you were coming out of high school means nothing. Caldwell is the only player on that offense that has proved anything and he proved that he is an average receiver, nothing else.

[I bleed green]

Caldwell isn't as good as Sweed and is much more likely a 3rd rounder next year than a 1st rounder. What you were coming out of high school means nothing. Caldwell is the only player on that offense that has proved anything and he proved that he is an average receiver, nothing else.

Let's assume for the moment that Sweed is better than Caldwell (which I disagree with but besides the point). The other receivers for Florida are still far better than what Texas has to offer besides Sweed. Harvin is way better than Pittman, who won't even sniff the draft. Ingram is a huge target as a possession receiver. Florida is also returning 4 OL. Admittedly there won't be an established RB but with the spread offense, Harvin and Caldwell will often line up as the RB as well as Tebow running himself.

[gerky]

Definitely McCoy. As said Tebow is unproven while McCoy had an great freshman season. Having Sweed coming back really helps.Tebow is the all-time passing leader in state of Fla enough said.I can Tell you the Ala. faithful were not happy when Shula got phone call about Tebow to Fla.Tebow is one of the hardest working players on the team and not just in the weightroom he study's a lot of film.Tebow 's promblem is he need's to work on his short throws with some touch.Because with the speed he will have to throw the ball to is scary.

[draftguru151]

Kyle Wright was also the #1 QB prospect in the nation, what they did in high school means nothing. I know what Tebow did at Nease, I think he can be amazing, but McCoy is very far ahead of him as a passer.

And superfly if you think Caldwell is better than Sweed I'm not even gonna waste my time because it's obvious you have a thing for UF. Sweed is 4 inches taller, a better athlete, had twice as many TDs, 7 more YPC, and over 200 more yards receiving. Sweed would have been at worst a second rounder this year. Caldwell wouldn't have gone day 1.

[Komp]

Kyle Wright was also the #1 QB prospect in the nation, what they did in high school means nothing. I know what Tebow did at Nease, I think he can be amazing, but McCoy is very far ahead of him as a passer.

And superfly if you think Caldwell is better than Sweed I'm not even gonna waste my time because it's obvious you have a thing for UF. Sweed is 4 inches taller, a better athlete, had twice as many TDs, 7 more YPC, and over 200 more yards receiving. Sweed would have been at worst a second rounder this year. Caldwell wouldn't have gone day 1.

I think Sweed is a little better than Caldwell but I will take Florida's depth at WR against anyone in the country.

McCoy and Tebow are two very different QB's, and if by the biggest season you mean total yards I would take Tebow. If you have to choose between Tebow and McCoy it really is a win-win situation.

[I bleed green]

And superfly if you think Caldwell is better than Sweed I'm not even gonna waste my time because it's obvious you have a thing for UF. Sweed is 4 inches taller, a better athlete, had twice as many TDs, 7 more YPC, and over 200 more yards receiving. Sweed would have been at worst a second rounder this year. Caldwell wouldn't have gone day 1.

YPC and TD differences mean nothing when the two play in completely different offenses. The spread offense has a ton of plays that are short bubble screens and crossing routes that will indubitably yield a lower YPC. Similarly when you throw five receivers on the field, of course each individual receiver won't have as many catches or TDs. Caldwell was also not the #1 option in the red zone this year because Baker was. Sweed is taller but he is not the better athlete, Caldwell ran a 4.4 40 and had a 32 inch vertical at a Nike combine. I don't know Sweed's vertical but he runs a 4.5 40 at best. Caldwell was projected to be a first day pick when he sent in his papers to the NFL scouts.

[gerky]

Kyle Wright was also the #1 QB prospect in the nation, what they did in high school means nothing. I know what Tebow did at Nease, I think he can be amazing, but McCoy is very far ahead of him as a passer.

And superfly if you think Caldwell is better than Sweed I'm not even gonna waste my time because it's obvious you have a thing for UF. Sweed is 4 inches taller, a better athlete, had twice as many TDs, 7 more YPC, and over 200 more yards receiving. Sweed would have been at worst a second rounder this year. Caldwell wouldn't have gone day 1.

Comparing Kyle Wright to Tebow is laughable. Who cares if Kyle Wright was the #1 prospect, for that matter Tebow wasn't Mitch Mustain was. If you know anything of high school football in the state of Florida Tebow was the most physically ready Qb to come out of Florida in the last 20 years. when you talk about Tebow you are talking about a true 6'3" 230lb specimen not some softbody type. Not to mention he ran a 4.6 40 and benches over 400lbs. The reason Tebow is better is that by the time next fall come around Tebow will have been in Meyer's system a year and a half. He has a stronger arm, More mobile, better accuracy. Plus the moxy. Which means he wil win at all cost. The kid played DE his 8th grade year at varsity for one of the top programs in the state so he could get on the field.

[MNRunLeft]

I think Tebow will have is up's and down's like any new starter does, but with the talent on that team and the system he's going to play theirs no question I feel that Tebow is going to be very successful. Teams will also have to worry about his running ability which can keep a lot of plays alive that might otherwise end up sacks.

McCoy on the other hand IMO lacks much upside and seems as if talentwise he isn't going to get much better than he is right now. He's been coached up his whole life and just lacks much more potential. McCoy will have a lot of talent around him, but McCoy did get rattled at times last season when pressured.

With that said I'll take Tebow in the spread offense.

[LonghornsLegend]

He has a stronger arm, More mobile, better accuracy.


gotta disagree wit u there, and your opinion doesnt count if you havent seen both qb's play at least some...


what evidence do you have that tebow has better accuracy? and do you know what mccoy's passing numbers were?

68.2 completion percentage

161.81 rating

all as a freshman, and no these werent dink and dunk throws we made famous last year....colt has a very underrated deep ball, arm strength is one thing but his deep ball is sick....touch is almost on the money every time, so everything else id say could be a coin flip, but not accuracy

[yourfavestoner]

DG basically has this thread summed up. I'm as big of a Florida fan as there is, but there is very, very little proven talent on the team. Their entire team is basically made up of freshman and sophomores. The junior class isn't anything special, as that was from Meyer's first offseason in Florida, and first year classes generally aren't anything special. While Florida's offense has the potential to be one of the best in the country this year, Texas has more talent going into the season. And Sweed is a better receiver than Caldwell. Period.

As ready as he may be, any logical person will admit that Tebow is going to go through growing pains in his first year as a starter. That's just how it goes. McCoy, on the other hand, has already started for a year in his system and has most of his supporting cast coming back. I'd expect Tebow's statline to be a slight increase over what Alex Smith had as a sophomore, which would be about 2500 yards passing and 20 touchdowns, and 500-600 rushing yards and 6-8 rushing touchdowns.

[gerky]

He has a stronger arm, More mobile, better accuracy.


gotta disagree wit u there, and your opinion doesnt count if you havent seen both qb's play at least some...


what evidence do you have that tebow has better accuracy? and do you know what mccoy's passing numbers were?

68.2 completion percentage

161.81 rating-I have not seen McCoy play in Person but I have seen Tebow and seen them both on film.Even if we give McCoy the accuracy know way it's a coin flip coin on Stonger Arm,Mobility or the Moxy.Don't care about numbers their Offenses are a little different .Just judging the two as QB'S.Wasn't the question McCoy or Tebow can't help it if you don't like the truth.As for Arm Strength Tebow can throw it 75yds plus.don't think McCoy can.This will be Tebow's 2nd spring in Urban's Offense plus his Offense in High School was basically the same thing don't see much of a learning curve.With that said I do think McCoy is also a Great Player.

all as a freshman, and no these werent dink and dunk throws we made famous last year....colt has a very underrated deep ball, arm strength is one thing but his deep ball is sick....touch is almost on the money every time, so everything else id say could be a coin flip, but not accuracy

[LonghornsLegend]

Even if we give McCoy the accuracy know way it's a coin flip coin on Stonger Arm,Mobility or the Moxy.


when i said coin flip i didnt mean every specific area it could go either way, i meant they both have their strengths which could balance themselves out...you can say tebow is more mobile if you want, or faster, but if youve seen mccoy run the spread offense then you know slow is something he definately is not...


physically id prefer tebow, just the way snead was more athletic and i preferred him more as well so thats not my knock on tebow...he very well could endure a slump going through the entire playbook and he could end up having a year that exceeds everyones expectations

[MagnumGator]

Florida's team is all potential. Those guys you listed have a combined 1 catch. Florida's defense is losing 7 starters, and Harvey is the only good one coming back. Texas has one of the best LB corps in college and have Okam coming back up front. They are losing 3 DBs but Texas makes DBs like nothing. Florida's OL is solid, and returning 4 starters helps compares to Texas 2, but the guys at Florida are nothing special, while Tony Hills Jr is one of the best LT in college. Florida's team has potential, but Texas has one of the top WRs and RBs in the country, while Florida has potential greats.Actually 9 starters on defense are gone. Only Harvey and SS Tony Joiner are back. However don't sleep on Florida's o-line. That unit has been stockpiled the last 3-4 years with a lot of highly rated prospects and I think they may be ready to take the next step.

[PackerFan20]

Tebow will be starting his first year without Leak's help and the loss of Dallas Baker should affect him.

[P-L]

One thing to look for is that Florida is returning 4 of their 5 offensive linemen and Texas is only returning 2 of them.

[yourfavestoner]

Tebow will be starting his first year without Leak's help and the loss of Dallas Baker should affect him.

Meh...I liked Baker, but he's not irreplaceable at all.

[Ho0k Em']

Well it's kind of unfair because Colt is in his 3rd year and 2nd year starting as opposed to Tebow in his 2nd year and 1st year starting.

[gstock05]

I've said this since Tebow was being recruited. He is, and has always been overrated.

When he is actually required to pass more than 2 times a year, people will start to realize this.


Antonio Henton will be a better player than Tebow. Mark it down. Kid is absolutely special.



Tebow is an athlete playing quarterback. The best NFL prospect quarterbacks who won't be Juniors or Seniors are Mark Sanchez, Colt Mccoy, Antonio Henton (not trying to sound like a homer, but just going off the word on the street in columbus), Nate Davis, Juice Williams, and a few other guys.

[yourfavestoner]

I've said this since Tebow was being recruited. He is, and has always been overrated.

When he is actually required to pass more than 2 times a year, people will start to realize this.


Antonio Henton will be a better player than Tebow. Mark it down. Kid is absolutely special.



Tebow is an athlete playing quarterback. The best NFL prospect quarterbacks who won't be Juniors or Seniors are Mark Sanchez, Colt Mccoy, Antonio Henton (not trying to sound like a homer, but just going off the word on the street in columbus), Nate Davis, Juice Williams, and a few other guys.

How is Tebow an athlete playing quarterback, but Juice Williams isn't?

[DoWnThEfiElD]

Kyle Wright was also the #1 QB prospect in the nation, what they did in high school means nothing. I know what Tebow did at Nease, I think he can be amazing, but McCoy is very far ahead of him as a passer.

And superfly if you think Caldwell is better than Sweed I'm not even gonna waste my time because it's obvious you have a thing for UF. Sweed is 4 inches taller, a better athlete, had twice as many TDs, 7 more YPC, and over 200 more yards receiving. Sweed would have been at worst a second rounder this year. Caldwell wouldn't have gone day 1.

Comparing Kyle Wright to Tebow is laughable. Who cares if Kyle Wright was the #1 prospect, for that matter Tebow wasn't Mitch Mustain was. If you know anything of high school football in the state of Florida Tebow was the most physically ready Qb to come out of Florida in the last 20 years. when you talk about Tebow you are talking about a true 6'3" 230lb specimen not some softbody type. Not to mention he ran a 4.6 40 and benches over 400lbs. The reason Tebow is better is that by the time next fall come around Tebow will have been in Meyer's system a year and a half. He has a stronger arm, More mobile, better accuracy. Plus the moxy. Which means he wil win at all cost. The kid played DE his 8th grade year at varsity for one of the top programs in the state so he could get on the field.

I don't think your understanding what DG is saying... All of Tebows physical attributes check ok good. But really that means squat. Let's see if he can do more than pound the ball up the middle. Don't forget SECers you have the best conference ever, with the fastest and best defenses ever, so give the kid a little slack if he struggles next year...

Oh and Juice Williams is one of the most overrated players on this board.

[Sveen]

Colt McCoy all the way :D

[yourfavestoner]

Kyle Wright was also the #1 QB prospect in the nation, what they did in high school means nothing. I know what Tebow did at Nease, I think he can be amazing, but McCoy is very far ahead of him as a passer.

And superfly if you think Caldwell is better than Sweed I'm not even gonna waste my time because it's obvious you have a thing for UF. Sweed is 4 inches taller, a better athlete, had twice as many TDs, 7 more YPC, and over 200 more yards receiving. Sweed would have been at worst a second rounder this year. Caldwell wouldn't have gone day 1.

Comparing Kyle Wright to Tebow is laughable. Who cares if Kyle Wright was the #1 prospect, for that matter Tebow wasn't Mitch Mustain was. If you know anything of high school football in the state of Florida Tebow was the most physically ready Qb to come out of Florida in the last 20 years. when you talk about Tebow you are talking about a true 6'3" 230lb specimen not some softbody type. Not to mention he ran a 4.6 40 and benches over 400lbs. The reason Tebow is better is that by the time next fall come around Tebow will have been in Meyer's system a year and a half. He has a stronger arm, More mobile, better accuracy. Plus the moxy. Which means he wil win at all cost. The kid played DE his 8th grade year at varsity for one of the top programs in the state so he could get on the field.

I don't think your understanding what DG is saying... All of Tebows physical attributes check ok good. But really that means squat. Let's see if he can do more than pound the ball up the middle. Don't forget SECers you have the best conference ever, with the fastest and best defenses ever, so give the kid a little slack if he struggles next year...

Oh and Juice Williams is one of the most overrated players on this board.

Good wrap-up to this thread.

I've come to the conclusion that the majority of people on this site either absolutely love a player, or they think he's incredibly overrated. There's never a happy medium here.

[LonghornsLegend]

Well it's kind of unfair because Colt is in his 3rd year.

3rd year of what?

[Ho0k Em']

Well it's kind of unfair because Colt is in his 3rd year.

3rd year of what?

This will be Colt's 3rd year because he's a RS Sophmore. He redshirted his freshman year.

[draftguru151]

Kyle Wright was also the #1 QB prospect in the nation, what they did in high school means nothing. I know what Tebow did at Nease, I think he can be amazing, but McCoy is very far ahead of him as a passer.

And superfly if you think Caldwell is better than Sweed I'm not even gonna waste my time because it's obvious you have a thing for UF. Sweed is 4 inches taller, a better athlete, had twice as many TDs, 7 more YPC, and over 200 more yards receiving. Sweed would have been at worst a second rounder this year. Caldwell wouldn't have gone day 1.

Comparing Kyle Wright to Tebow is laughable.

Who cares if Kyle Wright was the #1 prospect, for that matter Tebow wasn't Mitch Mustain was. If you know anything of high school football in the state of Florida Tebow was the most physically ready Qb to come out of Florida in the last 20 years. when you talk about Tebow you are talking about a true 6'3" 230lb specimen not some softbody type. Not to mention he ran a 4.6 40 and benches over 400lbs. The reason Tebow is better is that by the time next fall come around Tebow will have been in Meyer's system a year and a half. He has a stronger arm, More mobile, better accuracy. Plus the moxy. Which means he wil win at all cost. The kid played DE his 8th grade year at varsity for one of the top programs in the state so he could get on the field.

I don't think your understanding what DG is saying... All of Tebows physical attributes check ok good. But really that means squat. Let's see if he can do more than pound the ball up the middle. Don't forget SECers you have the best conference ever, with the fastest and best defenses ever, so give the kid a little slack if he struggles next year...

Oh and Juice Williams is one of the most overrated players on this board.

Thank you for understanding simple logic. And I think it is laughable when you talk to me about Florida high school football. How many times did you see him play live? How many Florida high school football games have you seen? And saying all those things about him having great size and the arm, guess what, Kyle Wright runs a 4.6, has a much stronger arm than Tebow (one of the best in the nation), but guess what, he can't play football. Measurable are great, but Tebow has not shown the ability to lead a team in the NCAA.

[draftguru151]

And superfly if you think Caldwell is better than Sweed I'm not even gonna waste my time because it's obvious you have a thing for UF. Sweed is 4 inches taller, a better athlete, had twice as many TDs, 7 more YPC, and over 200 more yards receiving. Sweed would have been at worst a second rounder this year. Caldwell wouldn't have gone day 1.

YPC and TD differences mean nothing when the two play in completely different offenses. The spread offense has a ton of plays that are short bubble screens and crossing routes that will indubitably yield a lower YPC. Similarly when you throw five receivers on the field, of course each individual receiver won't have as many catches or TDs. Caldwell was also not the #1 option in the red zone this year because Baker was. Sweed is taller but he is not the better athlete, Caldwell ran a 4.4 40 and had a 32 inch vertical at a Nike combine. I don't know Sweed's vertical but he runs a 4.5 40 at best. Caldwell was projected to be a first day pick when he sent in his papers to the NFL scouts.

Caldwell has more catches than Sweed. So he has the opportunities. I understand the offense he plays in, but he averaged just over 10 YPC. Baker had 15. Caldwell is a fine receiver, but Sweed is a legit #1 that can dominate.

[JT Jag]

Kyle Wright was also the #1 QB prospect in the nation, what they did in high school means nothing. I know what Tebow did at Nease, I think he can be amazing, but McCoy is very far ahead of him as a passer.

And superfly if you think Caldwell is better than Sweed I'm not even gonna waste my time because it's obvious you have a thing for UF. Sweed is 4 inches taller, a better athlete, had twice as many TDs, 7 more YPC, and over 200 more yards receiving. Sweed would have been at worst a second rounder this year. Caldwell wouldn't have gone day 1.Comparing Kyle Wright to Tebow is laughable.

Who cares if Kyle Wright was the #1 prospect, for that matter Tebow wasn't Mitch Mustain was. If you know anything of high school football in the state of Florida Tebow was the most physically ready Qb to come out of Florida in the last 20 years. when you talk about Tebow you are talking about a true 6'3" 230lb specimen not some softbody type. Not to mention he ran a 4.6 40 and benches over 400lbs. The reason Tebow is better is that by the time next fall come around Tebow will have been in Meyer's system a year and a half. He has a stronger arm, More mobile, better accuracy. Plus the moxy. Which means he wil win at all cost. The kid played DE his 8th grade year at varsity for one of the top programs in the state so he could get on the field.I don't think your understanding what DG is saying... All of Tebows physical attributes check ok good. But really that means squat. Let's see if he can do more than pound the ball up the middle. Don't forget SECers you have the best conference ever, with the fastest and best defenses ever, so give the kid a little slack if he struggles next year...

Oh and Juice Williams is one of the most overrated players on this board.Thank you for understanding simple logic. And I think it is laughable when you talk to me about Florida high school football. How many times did you see him play live? How many Florida high school football games have you seen? And saying all those things about him having great size and the arm, guess what, Kyle Wright runs a 4.6, has a much stronger arm than Tebow (one of the best in the nation), but guess what, he can't play football. Measurable are great, but Tebow has not shown the ability to lead a team in the NCAA.I personally saw Tebow play at Nease in person about 20 times. I'm graduating from Nease this year. Tebow can definately develop into a good passer. He compares favorably to both Jay Cutler and Steve McNair.

[draftguru151]

I'm not saying he can't dominate. I love Tebow too. I think he can be amazing. He has great tools. But if people think he will go into next season a be amazing and a top QB right away they have another thing coming. McCoy on the other hand has already had a year of experience, and played exceptionally well.

[DoWnThEfiElD]

I think there are some people here that need to draw a line between potential, and actually doing something. Because they are obviously getting the two confused.

[gerky]

Kyle Wright was also the #1 QB prospect in the nation, what they did in high school means nothing. I know what Tebow did at Nease, I think he can be amazing, but McCoy is very far ahead of him as a passer.

And superfly if you think Caldwell is better than Sweed I'm not even gonna waste my time because it's obvious you have a thing for UF. Sweed is 4 inches taller, a better athlete, had twice as many TDs, 7 more YPC, and over 200 more yards receiving. Sweed would have been at worst a second rounder this year. Caldwell wouldn't have gone day 1.

Comparing Kyle Wright to Tebow is laughable.

Who cares if Kyle Wright was the #1 prospect, for that matter Tebow wasn't Mitch Mustain was. If you know anything of high school football in the state of Florida Tebow was the most physically ready Qb to come out of Florida in the last 20 years. when you talk about Tebow you are talking about a true 6'3" 230lb specimen not some softbody type. Not to mention he ran a 4.6 40 and benches over 400lbs. The reason Tebow is better is that by the time next fall come around Tebow will have been in Meyer's system a year and a half. He has a stronger arm, More mobile, better accuracy. Plus the moxy. Which means he wil win at all cost. The kid played DE his 8th grade year at varsity for one of the top programs in the state so he could get on the field.

I don't think your understanding what DG is saying... All of Tebows physical attributes check ok good. But really that means squat. Let's see if he can do more than pound the ball up the middle. Don't forget SECers you have the best conference ever, with the fastest and best defenses ever, so give the kid a little slack if he struggles next year...

Oh and Juice Williams is one of the most overrated players on this board.

Thank you for understanding simple logic. And I think it is laughable when you talk to me about Florida high school football. How many times did you see him play live? How many Florida high school football games have you seen? And saying all those things about him having great size and the arm, guess what, Kyle Wright runs a 4.6, has a much stronger arm than Tebow (one of the best in the nation), but guess what, he can't play football. Measurable are great, but Tebow has not shown the ability to lead a team in the NCAA.

I 've seen Tebow at least 10 times how many times have you watched McCoy. I can also tell you I've watched more High School Games in Fla then you want to count.Were do you think Wright has a stonger arm than Tebow have you seen Tebow in Person ?In the game vs St. Augustine Tebow's JR Year is were I seen him throw it 75yds in the air.Wright ran 4.6 were ?Tebow ran it at Nike Combine in Tallahasse.Let me know if you want me to teach you how to break down film.See here is were you are wrong Tebow has shown the ability he's just not proved it yet.If he doesn't have this so called ability then I guess your smarter than coach Meyer.Because he's willing to turn his Team over to him.

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/011007/col_hope.shtml

[DoWnThEfiElD]

Coker was willing to turn the team over to Wright...
Bowden was willing to turn the team over to Rix...
I can go on with senarios like this...

Whats your point?

Let me define potential for you Smashmouth
Potential- Hasn't done jack.

Every major QB is amazing in HS so i don't want to hear anything about Tebow from HS its done, and doesn't count in college

[gerky]

I'm not saying he can't dominate. I love Tebow too. I think he can be amazing. He has great tools. But if people think he will go into next season a be amazing and a top QB right away they have another thing coming. McCoy on the other hand has already had a year of experience, and played exceptionally well.Your right McCoy did play Great last year.And my point is this was also McCoy's first year Starting.

[gerky]

Coker was willing to turn the team over to Wright...
Bowden was willing to turn the team over to Rix...
I can go on with senarios like this...

Whats your point?

Let me define potential for you Smashmouth
Potential- Hasn't done jack.

Every major QB is amazing in HS so i don't want to hear anything about Tebow from HS its done, and doesn't count in collegePotential is what you judge them on when you have nothing else to go by.I never said he was a proven College QB but he is a proven College Player you can't tell me he didn't help the Gators this year..But if we can't look at potential then why are you on a Draft Site because these College Players have done what in the NFL NOTHING .

[DoWnThEfiElD]

I don't see anyone arguing that Brady Quinn is going to have a better season than Alex Smith either.

Oh and having a accomplished college career is a lot different than being a stud in HS. Even you should know that.

Either way your talking about Physical Attributes and a HS career, and I'm just saying that doesn't matter now.

I'll tell you what if you can explain to me why Tebow will have a better year than McCoy without using the words high school, or listing how big he is, or how fast he runs, or "Urban Meyers Offense" i will consider saying he is going to have a better season than McCoy.

[gerky]

I don't see anyone arguing that Brady Quinn is going to have a better season than Alex Smith either.

Oh and having a accomplished college career is a lot different than being a stud in HS. Even you should know that.

Either way your talking about Physical Attributes and a HS career, and I'm just saying that doesn't matter now.Yes a lot of your top High School Players become for the most part the top College Players .You know why because some coach recruited them and they will get more looks just like a Higher Draft Pick would.If you don't belive this ask anybody who's tried to walk on before.McCoy has started for what 1-year not like he's a Senior.If you don't run and jump and look the way the NFL they could care less about your College Career.Case in Point Danny Wuerffel.

[gerky]

I don't see anyone arguing that Brady Quinn is going to have a better season than Alex Smith either.

Oh and having a accomplished college career is a lot different than being a stud in HS. Even you should know that.

Either way your talking about Physical Attributes and a HS career, and I'm just saying that doesn't matter now.

I'll tell you what if you can explain to me why Tebow will have a better year than McCoy without using the words high school, or listing how big he is, or how fast he runs, or "Urban Meyers Offense" i will consider saying he is going to have a better season than McCoy.Plain and simple for you Tebow is better.

[DoWnThEfiElD]

I don't see anyone arguing that Brady Quinn is going to have a better season than Alex Smith either.

Oh and having a accomplished college career is a lot different than being a stud in HS. Even you should know that.

Either way your talking about Physical Attributes and a HS career, and I'm just saying that doesn't matter now.

I'll tell you what if you can explain to me why Tebow will have a better year than McCoy without using the words high school, or listing how big he is, or how fast he runs, or "Urban Meyers Offense" i will consider saying he is going to have a better season than McCoy.Plain and simple for you Tebow is better.

That was an amazing unbiased arguement... :roll:

If Tebow is better umm mind telling me how many starts he's won? Oh and his rocket arm, how many times did he use that to throw a deep ball for a TD, compared to how many times McCoy did it?

Oh wait thats right...

Tebow may have better potential to be better, call me crazy though, i'm going to wait to see how he does when he is actually starting before i crown him.

[gerky]

I don't see anyone arguing that Brady Quinn is going to have a better season than Alex Smith either.

Oh and having a accomplished college career is a lot different than being a stud in HS. Even you should know that.

Either way your talking about Physical Attributes and a HS career, and I'm just saying that doesn't matter now.

I'll tell you what if you can explain to me why Tebow will have a better year than McCoy without using the words high school, or listing how big he is, or how fast he runs, or "Urban Meyers Offense" i will consider saying he is going to have a better season than McCoy.Plain and simple for you Tebow is better.

That was an amazing unbiased arguement... :roll:

If Tebow is better umm mind telling me how many starts he's won? Oh and his rocket arm, how many times did he use that to throw a deep ball for a TD, compared to how many times McCoy did it?

Oh wait thats right...

Tebow may have better potential to be better, call me crazy though, i'm going to wait to see how he does when he is actually starting before i crown him.Tebow may have better potential, I know he is better.Well you want have to wait long will you.Can only do what the coach lets you do when you have a Senior in front of you.Tebow had a 200 passer rating.Your 1 year wonder had to what Redshirt because he what might not be ready for college ball just yet what they to big for him.At least Tebow helped his team to the Title.

[gstock05]

How is Tebow an athlete playing quarterback, but Juice Williams isn't?


Juice Williams is an athlete as well, but he happens to be a better quarterback at this point than Tebow is. He played on a terrible team last year with terrible receivers, and turned in a decent freshman season. He wasn't a good passer, but he made things happen and will develop as he learns to study film.

He also has better mechanics and throws a real nice ball.

Tebow has a slow wind up release and isn't incredibly accurate.

However, I've said it before and will say it again, Antonio Henton will be better than Tebow or Williams by the time he graduates. The only reason he didnt receive more hype and scholarship offers was due to him being injured for half his senior year. After he came back, he dominated every team in the toughest georgia division leading his four loss team to the state title.

[gerky]

How is Tebow an athlete playing quarterback, but Juice Williams isn't?


Juice Williams is an athlete as well, but he happens to be a better quarterback at this point than Tebow is. He played on a terrible team last year with terrible receivers, and turned in a decent freshman season. He wasn't a good passer, but he made things happen and will develop as he learns to study film.

He also has better mechanics and throws a real nice ball.

Tebow has a slow wind up release and isn't incredibly accurate.

However, I've said it before and will say it again, Antonio Henton will be better than Tebow or Williams by the time he graduates. The only reason he didnt receive more hype and scholarship offers was due to him being injured for half his senior year. After he came back, he dominated every team in the toughest georgia division leading his four loss team to the state title.Your wrong Tebow is very accurate,it's his touch he needs to work on.Henton doen't set up good with his feet nor does he have a good release point.He will never be better than Tebow or a higher Draft Pick than Tebow.You said it he won states with a 4-loss team not very tough competition there.This the the same Peach Team that was on CSS Sports Henton was not that impressive plus Peach would not make states here in Fla.This year Brantley,Marve or Garcia are all better .prospects.Juice played on a terrible team because he wasn't highly rated.Not to mention he played in a slower conference.The fastest Defenses are in the SEC.

[LonghornsLegend]

.Your 1 year wonder had to what Redshirt because he what might not be ready for college ball just yet what they to big for him.

yea, ok :roll:


or maybe it could be that we had vince young at qb, as a junior, and it would be no need for him to even step onto the field, so playing him would waste a year, florida had a qb with no mobility like leak, so tebow was needed this year

[I bleed green]

YPC and TD differences mean nothing when the two play in completely different offenses. The spread offense has a ton of plays that are short bubble screens and crossing routes that will indubitably yield a lower YPC. Similarly when you throw five receivers on the field, of course each individual receiver won't have as many catches or TDs. Caldwell was also not the #1 option in the red zone this year because Baker was. Sweed is taller but he is not the better athlete, Caldwell ran a 4.4 40 and had a 32 inch vertical at a Nike combine. I don't know Sweed's vertical but he runs a 4.5 40 at best. Caldwell was projected to be a first day pick when he sent in his papers to the NFL scouts.

Caldwell has more catches than Sweed. So he has the opportunities. I understand the offense he plays in, but he averaged just over 10 YPC. Baker had 15. Caldwell is a fine receiver, but Sweed is a legit #1 that can dominate.

Since it's obvious you haven't watched Florida much, why are you even arguing about this. Baker was utilized differently which is why his YPC was higher. Baker almost never ran bubble screens or short crossing patterns, those were reserved mainly for Caldwell and Harvin. Baker was the red zone and medium route receiver, Jemalle Cornelius was the deep threat and Caldwell/Harvin were the underneath/bubble screen/reverse receivers. Caldwell will probably take over Baker's role this season as the #1 guy.

[draftguru151]

YPC and TD differences mean nothing when the two play in completely different offenses. The spread offense has a ton of plays that are short bubble screens and crossing routes that will indubitably yield a lower YPC. Similarly when you throw five receivers on the field, of course each individual receiver won't have as many catches or TDs. Caldwell was also not the #1 option in the red zone this year because Baker was. Sweed is taller but he is not the better athlete, Caldwell ran a 4.4 40 and had a 32 inch vertical at a Nike combine. I don't know Sweed's vertical but he runs a 4.5 40 at best. Caldwell was projected to be a first day pick when he sent in his papers to the NFL scouts.

Caldwell has more catches than Sweed. So he has the opportunities. I understand the offense he plays in, but he averaged just over 10 YPC. Baker had 15. Caldwell is a fine receiver, but Sweed is a legit #1 that can dominate.

Since it's obvious you haven't watched Florida much, why are you even arguing about this. Baker was utilized differently which is why his YPC was higher. Baker almost never ran bubble screens or short crossing patterns, those were reserved mainly for Caldwell and Harvin. Baker was the red zone and medium route receiver, Jemalle Cornelius was the deep threat and Caldwell/Harvin were the underneath/bubble screen/reverse receivers. Caldwell will probably take over Baker's role this season as the #1 guy.

Do you really think I don't watch Florida often? It's quite obvious you watched them every game this year since you are an UF homer, but I live in Florida, so I get every game, and plus I kinda watched every team with a pro prospect on it, at least once, and in Florida's case, probably over 6. But you know what I'm sure you know more about college football than me and watch a lot more. I wish some people would realize when they are actually talking to someone who knows something.

[georgiafan]

colt not even close

[myinnerself]

tebows a backup straight up hes gonna be a bust next year where as i see mcoy leading them to a big 12 championship and a bcs game

[gstock05]

Your wrong Tebow is very accurate,it's his touch he needs to work on.Henton doen't set up good with his feet nor does he have a good release point.He will never be better than Tebow or a higher Draft Pick than Tebow.You said it he won states with a 4-loss team not very tough competition there.This the the same Peach Team that was on CSS Sports Henton was not that impressive plus Peach would not make states here in Fla.This year Brantley,Marve or Garcia are all better .prospects.Juice played on a terrible team because he wasn't highly rated.Not to mention he played in a slower conference.The fastest Defenses are in the SEC.

Why do I even bother? :roll:

[P-L]

Maybe if we all admit that Tim Tebow is God, he'll go away...

[DoWnThEfiElD]

Tebow is the greatest person to pick up a football ever, he has zero flaws. Nothing can be improved on, and Florida will go undefeated with him as QB next year.

Also the Heisman will be his aswell. Perfection.

[slightlyaraiderfan]

Tebow is the greatest person to pick up a football ever, he has zero flaws. Nothing can be improved on, and Florida will go undefeated with him as QB next year.

Also the Heisman will be his aswell. Perfection.
You forgot to mention that he will be a future #1 pick.

[DoWnThEfiElD]

Tebow is the greatest person to pick up a football ever, he has zero flaws. Nothing can be improved on, and Florida will go undefeated with him as QB next year.

Also the Heisman will be his aswell. Perfection.
You forgot to mention that he will be a future #1 pick.

ya lets create a new word for when you do something perfect, we can call it Tebowed.

Ex. WOW i got 100 percent on my test, I really tebowed it!

[DoWnThEfiElD]

Tebow won't even be the best soph. QB in the SEC next year. Thats gonna be Stafford.

[gerky]

Tebow is the greatest person to pick up a football ever, he has zero flaws. Nothing can be improved on, and Florida will go undefeated with him as QB next year.

Also the Heisman will be his aswell. Perfection.
You forgot to mention that he will be a future #1 pick.

ya lets create a new word for when you do something perfect, we can call it Tebowed.

Ex. WOW i got 100 percent on my test, I really tebowed it!What the thugs on your team took over with a colt in their pocket.No Stafford wan even be top 3 of the SEC.

[gerky]

Maybe if we all admit that Tim Tebow is God, he'll go away...Really not funny.Tebow is very Religious and the type person a lot of our Athletes should act like.

[DoWnThEfiElD]

Tebow is the greatest person to pick up a football ever, he has zero flaws. Nothing can be improved on, and Florida will go undefeated with him as QB next year.

Also the Heisman will be his aswell. Perfection.
You forgot to mention that he will be a future #1 pick.

ya lets create a new word for when you do something perfect, we can call it Tebowed.

Ex. WOW i got 100 percent on my test, I really tebowed it!What the thugs on your team took over with a colt in their pocket.No Stafford wan even be top 3 of the SEC.

He'll be better than Tebow...

Are you in love with Timmy?

[gerky]

Tebow is the greatest person to pick up a football ever, he has zero flaws. Nothing can be improved on, and Florida will go undefeated with him as QB next year.

Also the Heisman will be his aswell. Perfection.
You forgot to mention that he will be a future #1 pick.

ya lets create a new word for when you do something perfect, we can call it Tebowed.

Ex. WOW i got 100 percent on my test, I really tebowed it!What the thugs on your team took over with a colt in their pocket.No Stafford wan even be top 3 of the SEC.

He'll be better than Tebow...

Are you in love with Timmy?What Tebow stole your girl because you didn't have a colt in your pants.

[DoWnThEfiElD]

Wow you are so obsessed with Tebow.

And your a Smashmouth fan??

[gerky]

Wow you are so obsessed with Tebow.

And your a Smashmouth fan??No just speak the truth and stay out of your fantasy land

[yourfavestoner]

God damn it. Just lock this topic already, as it's gone to hell.

I hate when interesting threads get hijacked. If you're not willing to acknowledge other peoples' opinions, then why even ******* post at all.

[P-L]

Maybe if we all admit that Tim Tebow is God, he'll go away...Really not funny.Tebow is very Religious and the type person a lot of our Athletes should act like.You're obsession with Tebow isn't funny either.