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TacticaLion
10-29-2007, 04:41 PM
http://blog.mlive.com/highlightreel/2007/10/bears_would_benefit_from_rule.html

Most of the time I will try to keep my opinion to a bare minimum as Emkow hands me the keys to his "car." But I couldn't help but think of a couple points when I read Dan Pompei's "Huddle Up" blog after the Lions' 16-7 win over the Bears.

I'd like to see the NFL consider legislation that would penalize teams for punting out of bounds. And maybe the league should tack on another 10 yards to the penalty for kicking off out of bounds. It isn't good for the league to have dynamic players like Devin Hester taken out of the game.

First of all, as bad as things have been in Detroit, I truly cannot remember anyone crying for a change in the rules when opposing defenses would put 11 men, four billy goats and a small family of water buffalo in the box in order to stop Barry Sanders. Secondly, the Bears have every opportunity to make teams pay for giving them better field position. Mr. Pompei, let me introduce you to the word "offense."
This has got to be a joke. If a change were to be made, they'd also have to prevent 8 players from crowding the box and for a team's #1 receiver from being covered by more than 1 player.

Oh, and Elam isn't allowed to kick within 2 minutes of the half/game.

A joke. This is football... if you can't win without your KR/PR, you don't deserve to win.

neko4
10-29-2007, 04:44 PM
True, its called startegy, deal with it.
Plus its not likee that cant have the guys lateral it back to hester or have an extra guy deep on punts to lateral to Hester

Boston
10-29-2007, 04:44 PM
Let's make it a rule that you have to throw at Champ Bailey every time you pass. That way, the game would be fair.

This is completely ridiculous. It's not like the Bears aren't getting great field position out of this or anything. If the Bears offense didn't suck like it does, teams wouldn't do this as often.

bearfan
10-29-2007, 04:51 PM
The Lions and Eagles are just pussies

Vince Lombardi
10-29-2007, 05:00 PM
That is extremely lame. You devise ways to eliminate the opposing teams best players, and that usually leaves you vulnerable in other areas. If the team you're playing can't figure out ways to exploit this then they don't deserve to win. Kicking away from Hester is smart strategy, just like double teaming Steve Smith or avoiding Champ Bailey is. :rolleyes:

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
10-29-2007, 05:02 PM
Well, it isn't good for the league to have dynamic players taken out of the game. It isn't good for the league for teams to play defense, either. They obviously aren't gonna change it. The field position teams get on an out of bounds kickoff is top notch, they need to take advantage.

PACKmanN
10-29-2007, 05:03 PM
you have a choice, you can kick it to Hester or kick it short and put the Bears in good position.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
10-29-2007, 05:03 PM
Let's make it a rule that you have to throw at Champ Bailey every time you pass.


I'm behind you 100%.

TacticaLion
10-29-2007, 05:35 PM
The Lions and Eagles are just p u ssies

Apparently, it works...

Xiomera
10-29-2007, 05:43 PM
Yeah, this is really a pathetic argument.

As Marinelli put it before this weeks game, "I would rather kick the ball into Lake Michigan than to kick it to Hester."

BlindSite
10-29-2007, 06:22 PM
People always talk about "fair" in football.

If you show up to a game and its going to be a "fair" match up, you're not prepared.

BigDawg819
10-29-2007, 06:26 PM
Boo freaking Hoo!

Is it "fair" to avoid shut down corners?

Its called a competitive advantage, if you don't want Hester lighting you up then you better tackle him or not kick to him.

Sniper
10-29-2007, 06:26 PM
So let's get this straight...

You have to kick to returners
You're not allowed to score X amount of points so so and so team doesn't get offended.
What else?

Shut up already. It's the NFL. It's strategy. It's a coach's decision to do whatever he feels helps him win. Enough already, stop complaining about something new every week.

'cuse-213
10-29-2007, 06:38 PM
Your not allowed to not kick to KR's.. whats the difference?

Turtlepower
10-29-2007, 06:40 PM
Your not allowed to not kick to KR's.. whats the difference?

It is much easier to direct a kick out of bounds on a kickoff than on a punt. On a punt you would lose yardage majority of the time by trying to kick out of bounds, but on a kickoff you could easily get it below the 15 yard line.

XxXdragonXxX
10-29-2007, 08:38 PM
I once heard someone say that it whould be illegal to throw the ball to the sideline where only the WR has a chance to get it because it's unfair tot he defender.



No....seriously.

MaxV
10-29-2007, 10:02 PM
It definitely worked for the Colts in the SB.

Hester is dynamic, but with his speed and quickness, there is no reason for him to be an average WR.

bearfan
10-29-2007, 10:09 PM
Apparently, it works...

Lions =
http://www.radkosales.com/images/3010879PhiMu.jpg

Eagles =
http://www.ben-eden.com/images/wimpy_game.jpg

TacticaLion
10-29-2007, 10:41 PM
Lions =
http://www.radkosales.com/images/3010879PhiMu.jpg

Bears = 3rd in the NFC North (0-2 against Det this year)... good argument.

bearfan
10-29-2007, 10:43 PM
Bears = 3rd in the NFC North (0-2 against Det this year)... good argument.

haha thats no arguement on my part. Yeah we're 3rd, but Im going to have my fun in saying that everyone is scared to kick to Hester. If you had a lone bright spot on your team, and everyone avoided him, you would have your fun too.

bearsfan_51
10-29-2007, 10:44 PM
Some of you are taking this a little too seriously.

They've changed the rules to open up offenses before, it's not that absurd. But untill then..sure...nobody should ever kick to Hester.

bearsfan_51
10-29-2007, 10:49 PM
Lions =
http://www.radkosales.com/images/3010879PhiMu.jpg

That's a good *** Lion. Mine is a little more overt http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/jmi0219l.jpg

steelernation77
10-30-2007, 12:00 AM
Some of you are taking this a little too seriously.

They've changed the rules to open up offenses before, it's not that absurd. But untill then..sure...nobody should ever kick to Hester.

Yes it is absurd. If the Bears want to get Hester more involved, make him in to a better all-around player, not just a great KR. If they can't do that, make the offense better so that teams will not want to give you the ball on the 40.

VoteLynnSwan
10-30-2007, 12:14 AM
Yes it is absurd. If the Bears want to get Hester more involved, make him in to a better all-around player, not just a great KR. If they can't do that, make the offense better so that teams will not want to give you the ball on the 40.

you don't watch many Bears games do you... Hester is involved in the offense quite a bit actually...

This is a pretty stupid article though, honestly, if our offense could move the ball this wouldn't be an issue.

steelernation77
10-30-2007, 12:38 AM
you don't watch many Bears games do you... Hester is involved in the offense quite a bit actually...

This is a pretty stupid article though, honestly, if our offense could move the ball this wouldn't be an issue.

Hester may be more involved, but he's not a dominant offensive threat.

I agree with the latter.

sweetness34
10-30-2007, 12:51 AM
It should be illegal not to kick to Hester....:D

Splat
10-30-2007, 09:00 AM
It is not like he was the first player teams kicked away from teams stopped kicking to Dante Hall years ago not only is it fair it is a smart game plan. That is like saying there should be a rule that LT can only touch the ball ten times a game becasue he is to good.

The Great Jonathan Vilma
10-30-2007, 09:16 AM
haha, so that is what people get paid to do in Chicago, come of with stupid rule changes that will help their team win games. Lets change the game for one player........what a stupid idea.

i can see someone saying that in a fun way, but the context and way that the paragraph states it you can tell they are being serious, which is sad.

In short, No, its strategy as has always been in the league, and its SMART to avoid giving or letting dangerous players get their hands on the ball

TacticaLion
10-30-2007, 10:11 AM
haha, so that is what people get paid to do in Chicago, come of with stupid rule changes that will help their team win games. Lets change the game for one player........what a stupid idea.

i can see someone saying that in a fun way, but the context and way that the paragraph states it you can tell they are being serious, which is sad.

In short, No, its strategy as has always been in the league, and its SMART to avoid giving or letting dangerous players get their hands on the ball
Ha... I like this post.

Crickett
10-30-2007, 10:16 AM
So let's get this straight...

You have to kick to returners
You're not allowed to score X amount of points so so and so team doesn't get offended.
What else?

Hey, at least getting a quarterback sack isn't a 15 yard penalty and an automatic first down like it was last year.

Sniper
10-30-2007, 12:09 PM
Hey, at least getting a quarterback sack isn't a 15 yard penalty and an automatic first down like it was last year.

You should also not be allowed to double cover good receivers. How are they supposed to get the ball then?

You're also not allowed to spy mobile QBs.

You are only allowed a maximum of seven guys in the box, because if not, running backs won't get their 100+ yards.

DaBears9654
10-30-2007, 11:29 PM
I have a short response to this:

Kicking away from great return specialists is cowardly.

Moses
10-30-2007, 11:31 PM
I have a short response to this:

Kicking away from great return specialists is cowardly.

Kind of like doubling great receivers or stacking the box against elite runningbacks?

DaBears9654
10-30-2007, 11:38 PM
Kind of like doubling great receivers or stacking the box against elite runningbacks?
The 2 situations are totally different in that you can't control how many times they hand the ball to a great RB or pass it to a great WR. Apples and oranges.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
10-30-2007, 11:39 PM
Kind of like doubling great receivers or stacking the box against elite runningbacks?

It's a little different than that. Great receivers can beat double teams, great backs can run on 8 man fronts. But no kick returner can field a kick out of bounds. I don't know if I'd call it "cowardly" but it isn't the same as doubling or stacking the box.

Moses
10-30-2007, 11:41 PM
The 2 situations are totally different in that you can't control how many times they hand the ball to a great RB or pass it to a great WR. Apples and oranges.

It's just smart football. Why throw at Champ Bailey if the corner opposite him is Mike Rumph? Doesn't take a genius to figure out that avoiding Champ would be the better decision.

Also, there are very few teams who will try to run if you bring an extra player or two into the box.

Jakey
10-31-2007, 09:17 AM
I think its more than fair to avoid a player...it's like saying "its unfair to run away from Kevin Williams, because he's a good tackler"...it just aint gonna happen. Teams are gonna avoid the opponants best players anways they can, thats just apart of the game.

nvot9
10-31-2007, 01:51 PM
It's a little different than that. Great receivers can beat double teams, great backs can run on 8 man fronts. But no kick returner can field a kick out of bounds. I don't know if I'd call it "cowardly" but it isn't the same as doubling or stacking the box.

Ok, but it's not different then throwing the ball out of bounds (out of the pocket) when trying to avoid a sack...