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bearsfan_51
11-02-2007, 02:10 AM
No comments or pretty pictures this time (sorry, I'm feeling lazy tonight). I just wanted to get this on paper (metaphorically of course). Comments are lovely as always, please be descriptive and intelligent.


1) St. Louis Rams- Glenn Dorsey, Defensive Tackle, Louisiana State

2) Miami Dolphins- Jake Long, Offensive Tackle, Michigan

3) New York Jets- Darren McFadden, Runningback, Arkansas

4) Atlanta Falcons- Andre Woodson, Quarterback, Kentucky

5) Oakland Raiders- Chris Long, Defensive End, Virgnia

6) New England Patriots (f/SF)- Malcolm Jenkins, Cornerback, Ohio State

7) Cincinnati Bengals- Calais Campbell, Defensive End, Miami

8) Minnesota Vikings- Matt Ryan, Quarterback, Boston College

9) Houston Texans- Kenny Phillips, Safety, Miami

10) Chicago Bears- Sam Baker, Offensive Tackle, Southern California

11) Buffalo Bills- Desean Jackson, Wide Reciever, California

12) Denver Broncos- Sedrick Ellis, Defensive Tackle, Southern California

13) Philadelphia Eagles- James Laurinaitis, Linebacker, Ohio State

14) Arizona Cardinals- Derrick Harvey, Hybrid 3-4, Florida

15) Washington Redskins- Malcolm Kelley, Wide Reciever, Oklahoma

16) Carolina- Brian Brohm, Quarterback, Louisville

17) Tampa Bay- Early Doucett III, Wide Reciever, Louisiana State

18) Dallas Cowboys (f/ Cle)- Jonathan Stewart, Runningback, Oregon

19) Baltimore Ravens- Gosder Cherlius, Offensive Tackle, Boston College

20) Kansas City- Ryan Clady, Offensive Tackle, Boise State

21) New Orleans- Keith Rivers, Linebacker, Southern California

22) Detroit Lions- Dan Conner, Linebacker, Penn State

23) Seattle Seahawks- Felix Jones, Runningback, Arkansas

24) Tennessee Titans- Adarius Bowman, Wide Reciever, Oklahoma State

25) Jacksonville Jaguars- Michael Oher, Offensive Lineman, Ole Miss

26) San Diego Chargers- Ray Maualuga, Linebacker, Southern California

27) New York Giants- Reggie Smith, Defensive Back, Oklahoma

28) Pittsburgh Steelers- Vernon Gholtson, 3-4 Hybrid, Ohio State

29) Dallas Cowboys- Mike Jenkins, Cornerback, South Florida

30) San Francisco 49'ers (f/Ind)- Quentin Groves, 3-4 Hybrid, Auburn

31) Green Bay Packers- Steve Slaton, Runningback, West Virginia

2nd Round
33) St. Louis- Tony Hills, Offensive Tackle, Texas
34) Miami- Dre Moore, Defensive End/Tackle, Maryland
35) NYJ- Ezra Butler, Linebacker, Nevada
36) Atlanta- Barry Richardson, Offensive Tackle, Clemson
37) Oakland- Demario Presseley, Defensive Tackle, North Carolina State
38) San Francisco- Frank Okam, Defensive Tackle, Texas
39) Cincinnati- Ali Highsmith, Linebacker, Louisiana State
40) Minnesota- Terrell Thomas, Cornerback, USC
41) Atlanta (f/Hou)- Mike Hart, Runningback, Michigan
42) Chicago- Chad Henne, Quarterback, Michigan
43) Buffalo- Aqib Talib, Cornerback, Kansas
44) Denver- Xavier Adibi, Linebacker, Virginia Tech
45) Philadelphia- Limas Sweed, Wide Reciever, Texas
46) Arizona- Antoine Cason, Cornerback, Arizona
47) Washington- Lawrence Jackson, Defensive End, USC
48) Carolina- Phillip Wheeler, Linebacker, Georgia Tech
49) Tampa Bay- DeJuan Tribble, Cornerback, Boston College
50) Cleveland- Red Bryant, Nose Tackle, Texas A&M
51) Baltimore- Erik Ainge, Quarterback, Tennessee
52) Kansas City- Dwight Lowery, Cornerback, San Diego State
53) New Orleans- Tashard Choice, Runningback, Georgia Tech
54) Detroit- Chevis Jackson, Cornerback, Louisiana State
55) Seattle- Fred Davis, Tight End, USC
56) Tennesee- Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Cornerback, Tennessee State
57) Jacksonville- Keenan Burton, Wide Reciever, Kentucky
58) Miami Dolphins (f/SD)- Shawn Crable, Outside Linebacker, Michigan
59) NYG- Tavares Gooden, Linebacker, Miami
60) Pittsburgh- Kirk Barton, Offensive Tackle, Ohio State
61) Dallas- Harry Douglass, Wide Reciever, Louisville
62) Indianapolis- Jonathan Goff, Linebacker, Vanderbilt
63) Green Bay- Tracey Porter, Cornerback, Indiana
64) New England- Beau Bell, Linebacker, UNLV

3rd Round
65) St. Louis- Josh Barrett, Safety, Arizona State
66) Miami- Vince Hall, Linebacker, Virginia Tech
67) NYJ- Chris Ellis, Outside Linebacker, Virginia Tech
68) Atlanta- Kentwan Balmer, Defensive Tackle, Kentucky
69) New England (f/Oak)- Alan Patrick, Runningback, Oklahoma
70) San Francisco- D.J Hall, Wide Reciever, Alabama
71) Cincinnatti- Craig Steltz, Safety, Louisiana State
72) Minnesota- Jeff Otah, Offensive Tackle, Pittsburgh
73) Houston- Mike McGlynn, Offensive Lineman, Pittsburgh
74) Chicago- Quentin Demps, Safety, UTEP
75) Buffalo- Andre Fluellen, Defensive Tackle, Florida State
76) Minnesota (f/Den)- Andre Caldwell, Wide Reciever, Florida
77) Philadelphia- Heath Benedict, Offensive Lineman, Newberry
78) Arizona- Chris Johnson, Runningback, East Carolina
79) Washington- Eric Young, Guard, Tennessee
80) Carolina- Jonathan Hefney, Safety, Tennessee
81) Tampa Bay- Colt Brennan, Quarterback, Hawaii
82) Cleveland- Bruce Davis, UCLA, Outside Linebacker
83) Buffalo (f/Bal)- John Carlson, Tight End, Notre Dame
84) Kansas City- Steve Justice, Offensive Lineman, Wake Forest
85) New Orleans- Simeon Castille, Defensive Back, Alabama
86) Detroit- John Greco, Offensive Lineman, Toldeo
87) Seattle- Shannon Tevaga, Offensive Lineman, UCLA
88) Tennessee- Martin Rucker, Tight End, Missouri
89) Jacksonville- Malik Jackson, Linebacker, Louisville
90) Chicago (f/SD)- Donnie Avery, Wide Reciever, Houston
91) NYG- Zach Bowman, Cornerback, Nebraska
92) Pittsburgh- Lavelle Hawkins, Wide Reciever, Cal
93) Dallas- Roy Schuening, Guard, Oregon State
94) Indianapolis- Rafael Little, Runningback, Kentucky
95) Green Bay- Jacob Temme, Tight End, Kentucky
96) New England- Dennis Dixon, Quarterback, Oregon

thebow305
11-02-2007, 02:16 AM
Absolutely hate the phins pick first pick! A RT with our # 2 overall pick? Come on! We have so many other holes, especially on defense. Which is why Chris Long or Calais Campbell would be much better picks there. We can get an OT later.

Moore is ok in the second, as is Crable, although i would rather have a DB there.

Hall also makes no sense in the 3rd. He doesn't fit our defense very well at all.

It makes no sense at all to draft TWO LB's with 2 of our first 4 picks. Our D-Line and Secondary are the weakest links on our team and while Dre Moore addresses one, you completely ignored arguably our worst position in the secondary with either a S or a CB.

Not a great mock overall, better luck next time.

Turtlepower
11-02-2007, 02:16 AM
Great Giants draft. I love Reggie Smith as a prospect and if Zach Bowman can play to his potential he will be a steal. I don't really know enough about Gooden to rank him as a prospect, but as long as he can be a WILL I'll be fine.

You truly are my BF for that draft. =D

thebow305
11-02-2007, 02:22 AM
Great Giants draft. I love Reggie Smith as a prospect and if Zach Bowman can play to his potential he will be a steal. I don't really know enough about Gooden to rank him as a prospect, but as long as he can be a WILL I'll be fine.

You truly are my BF for that draft. =D

How cute....

Turtlepower
11-02-2007, 02:24 AM
How cute....

I also like to give him bear hugs. =D

Caddy
11-02-2007, 02:37 AM
Early Doucet, DeJuan Tribble and Colt Brennan.

Seems like a relatively good day 1 although I really think the Buccaneers need some defensive line help. A pass rushing presence at left end or a nose tackle who can collapse the pocket are two things which are needed but I'm not really sure of who to take in this situation. Maybe FA is the best way to address this.

AS11toFG21
11-02-2007, 03:20 AM
Happy with Groves and Okam, though I'd rather have a FS or interior o-lineman in the 3rd for the Niners. Although I like Hall, SF needs to fill their receiver need through FA.

bearsfan_51
11-02-2007, 04:15 AM
Absolutely hate the phins pick first pick! A RT with our # 2 overall pick? Come on! We have so many other holes, especially on defense. Which is why Chris Long or Calais Campbell would be much better picks there. We can get an OT later.

Moore is ok in the second, as is Crable, although i would rather have a DB there.

Hall also makes no sense in the 3rd. He doesn't fit our defense very well at all.

It makes no sense at all to draft TWO LB's with 2 of our first 4 picks. Our D-Line and Secondary are the weakest links on our team and while Dre Moore addresses one, you completely ignored arguably our worst position in the secondary with either a S or a CB.

Not a great mock overall, better luck next time.
You might be the most pompous ass on here, and after looking at your work, you have no reason to be.

Your linebackers are a serious issue, particularly with the strong likelyhood that both Thomas and Taylor will be gone next year. There is Crowder and who? Porter sucks. Sorry..if you haven't figured that one out yet he's completely useless. So that's 1 good linebacker out of 4 spots.

It's not that I "completely ignored" the other positions, it's that there is no possible way that the Dolphins can fill all of their needs in 4 picks. I generally took what I thought were the best players available for needs that the Dolphins had. I personally think Hall can play ILB in a 3-4 and at that point the value is excellent.

Chris Long I would be fine with instead of Jake Long, but this is also more of a reflection of how I think they will pick, not what I think they'll do. If it were me being GM of the Dolphins I'd take Andre Woodson, but I think the most likely pick is Long. Long is a consensus top 5 pick at this point, and there's no way in hell Campebll goes in the top 3. I know that you keep putting him there, but it's not happening. He's been mediocre at best this year, and will get drafted on upside alone, probably much higher than he should, but not that high.

Regardless, I'd give thought to the way you talk to others. Stop acting like you know everything, you don't, and you aren't fooling anyone. Weren't you the one that a month ago was bitching about Dorsey in mocks saying that Long was the much more reasonable pick?

bearsfan_51
11-02-2007, 04:18 AM
Great Giants draft. I love Reggie Smith as a prospect and if Zach Bowman can play to his potential he will be a steal. I don't really know enough about Gooden to rank him as a prospect, but as long as he can be a WILL I'll be fine.

You truly are my BF for that draft. =D
Gooden, in a nutshell, is high risk/reward. Think Chris Henry from last year but with a slightly stronger resume.

neko4
11-02-2007, 04:32 AM
Tracy Porter goes to UW-Green Bay???

thule
11-02-2007, 04:58 AM
Pretty generic cowboys draft...nothing to nitpick....although I'm not as high on Douglas as others...but he does hold value here. Nice job on the whole mock.

NIN1984
11-02-2007, 06:25 AM
Perefect round one pick for Oakland, I think most fans want Long. 2nd round I can understand but with Limas Sweed still on the board I rather have him. Raiders need WR help real bad.

Bills2083
11-02-2007, 06:41 AM
11) Buffalo Bills- Desean Jackson, Wide Reciever, California
43) Buffalo- Aqib Talib, Cornerback, Kansas
75) Buffalo- Andre Fluellen, Defensive Tackle, Florida State
83) Buffalo (f/Bal)- John Carlson, Tight End, Notre Dame


In the first round, I'd rather we take Malcolm Kelly. We already have speedsters in Evans and Parrish. We need a big physical #2 WR on the other side of the field. That guy could be Kelly. I really like the pick of Talib. We need a big CB because all of our CBs are small. Fluellen would help out our defensive problems, and Carlson would give us a recieving threat at TE.

Great draft for the Bills, except for Jackson. We need a physical WR.

Jakey
11-02-2007, 06:56 AM
Love the mock as a whole, love pick 1 for the Steelers...aint sure about rounds 2+3 though. On the whole an awsome mock, Grade A-

Finsfan79
11-02-2007, 09:44 AM
You might be the most pompous ass on here, and after looking at your work, you have no reason to be.

Your linebackers are a serious issue, particularly with the strong likelyhood that both Thomas and Taylor will be gone next year. There is Crowder and who? Porter sucks. Sorry..if you haven't figured that one out yet he's completely useless. So that's 1 good linebacker out of 4 spots.

It's not that I "completely ignored" the other positions, it's that there is no possible way that the Dolphins can fill all of their needs in 4 picks. I generally took what I thought were the best players available for needs that the Dolphins had. I personally think Hall can play ILB in a 3-4 and at that point the value is excellent.

Chris Long I would be fine with instead of Jake Long, but this is also more of a reflection of how I think they will pick, not what I think they'll do. If it were me being GM of the Dolphins I'd take Andre Woodson, but I think the most likely pick is Long. Long is a consensus top 5 pick at this point, and there's no way in hell Campebll goes in the top 3. I know that you keep putting him there, but it's not happening. He's been mediocre at best this year, and will get drafted on upside alone, probably much higher than he should, but not that high.

Regardless, I'd give thought to the way you talk to others. Stop acting like you know everything, you don't, and you aren't fooling anyone. Weren't you the one that a month ago was bitching about Dorsey in mocks saying that Long was the much more reasonable pick?



I am not a huge fan of the jake long pick either honestly. I dont mind the Hall pick for an ILB, but not huge on the OLB pick.

2) Miami Dolphins- Jake Long, Offensive Tackle, Michigan

Like said not really thrilled for a RT here, I believe you will see them take a later on pick there for RT. But it is not the worst pick in the world. I think Woodson would be far far worse (heck I value Ryan more then woodson personally for cameron's system). Unless Mueller is gone. I would personally rather have McFadden (assuming could trade him or ronnie in teh future) or Chris Long over Jake Long there. and I am very against chris long as a top caliber player I think he is hugely overhyped.

Now personally I dont think we will be in the 3-4 next year either.

34) Miami- Dre Moore, Defensive End/Tackle, Maryland

I love this pick, I think he could be a beast as a Nose tackle personally. I see him able to add weight and still be a monster in the middle.

58) Miami Dolphins (f/SD)- Shawn Crable, Outside Linebacker, Michigan

This is the only pick I wonder about as personally I wouldnt mind seeing Barrett here. We need a safety and some secondary help, yes I know we have alot of holes but I feel OLB can wait to a degree specially if we go back to the 3-4 (assuming we dont sign asante samuels)

66) Miami- Vince Hall, Linebacker, Virginia Tech

nice player with Zach and Crowder could be a nice trio for the 4-3, or with porter or JT a solid one for the 3-4 (think JT will be traded for a 2nd rounder personally).

oh wells that is my two cents

bearsfan_51
11-02-2007, 12:03 PM
Perefect round one pick for Oakland, I think most fans want Long. 2nd round I can understand but with Limas Sweed still on the board I rather have him. Raiders need WR help real bad.

That's funny because I had Sweed there at first and then changed him. Reason being, do you really think Al Davis is going to spend a day 1 pick on a wide reciever that runs a bad 40?

bearsfan_51
11-02-2007, 12:04 PM
Pretty generic cowboys draft...nothing to nitpick....although I'm not as high on Douglas as others...but he does hold value here. Nice job on the whole mock.
Yes these have gotten a bit generic and predictable. I think that's a result of doing one every week. I'll propably take a 2-3 week hiatus unless something dramatic happens.

bearsfan_51
11-02-2007, 12:07 PM
58) Miami Dolphins (f/SD)- Shawn Crable, Outside Linebacker, Michigan

This is the only pick I wonder about as personally I wouldnt mind seeing Barrett here. We need a safety and some secondary help, yes I know we have alot of holes but I feel OLB can wait to a degree specially if we go back to the 3-4 (assuming we dont sign asante samuels)
Crable is another last minute pick change. With all the talk of him being a late 1st I found it a little harder to convince myself that Miami wouldn't bite in the late 2nd. Just out of curiosities sake, if Taylor leaves, who would be the in-house guy to replace him?

thebow305
11-02-2007, 12:26 PM
Crable is another last minute pick change. With all the talk of him being a late 1st I found it a little harder to convince myself that Miami wouldn't bite in the late 2nd. Just out of curiosities sake, if Taylor leaves, who would be the in-house guy to replace him?

We have a couple young guys waiting in the wing right now, if Spragan is still around though, in the 3-4, he would replace Taylor to begin with. At Defensive End in the 4-3, Chase Page, Abraham Wright (our 7th round pick this year), and our FA pick up Quentin Moses would all vie for time in replacing Taylor, which obviously would be a huge drop off from the Reigning Defensive Player of the Year. Which is why I think Calais would be the greatest addition we could make for our team this year through the draft.

thebow305
11-02-2007, 12:29 PM
You might be the most pompous ass on here, and after looking at your work, you have no reason to be.

Your linebackers are a serious issue, particularly with the strong likelyhood that both Thomas and Taylor will be gone next year. There is Crowder and who? Porter sucks. Sorry..if you haven't figured that one out yet he's completely useless. So that's 1 good linebacker out of 4 spots.

It's not that I "completely ignored" the other positions, it's that there is no possible way that the Dolphins can fill all of their needs in 4 picks. I generally took what I thought were the best players available for needs that the Dolphins had. I personally think Hall can play ILB in a 3-4 and at that point the value is excellent.

Chris Long I would be fine with instead of Jake Long, but this is also more of a reflection of how I think they will pick, not what I think they'll do. If it were me being GM of the Dolphins I'd take Andre Woodson, but I think the most likely pick is Long. Long is a consensus top 5 pick at this point, and there's no way in hell Campebll goes in the top 3. I know that you keep putting him there, but it's not happening. He's been mediocre at best this year, and will get drafted on upside alone, probably much higher than he should, but not that high.

Regardless, I'd give thought to the way you talk to others. Stop acting like you know everything, you don't, and you aren't fooling anyone. Weren't you the one that a month ago was bitching about Dorsey in mocks saying that Long was the much more reasonable pick?

HAHAHAHA... pompous, huh? You're a funny guy. Aren't you one of the stout, stubborn Bears fans that were saying before the 2007 Draft that there was no way the Bears were going to take Greg Olsen in the 1st??? HAHAHAHAHA! How did that work out for ya!?

I will admit, I don't know everything. But I do know a lot, and certainly more than you do. Nice talk.

bearsfan_51
11-02-2007, 12:35 PM
HAHAHAHA... pompous, huh? You're a funny guy. Aren't you one of the stout, stubborn Bears fans that were saying before the 2007 Draft that there was no way the Bears were going to take Greg Olsen in the 1st??? HAHAHAHAHA! How did that work out for ya!?

I will admit, I don't know everything. But I do know a lot, and certainly more than you do. Nice talk.
Nope, not me. As to the last point, I'm not for bragging contests on the internet, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone other than your mom and boyfriend that would agree with you.

Vikes99ej
11-02-2007, 12:54 PM
Nice first round pick. I'd rather go OT in the second round.

xooberon
11-02-2007, 01:55 PM
ok i know you have us not drafting a tackle but still, i like the panther mock. you hit some key needs, well done

Number 10
11-02-2007, 01:57 PM
Nice job on the Giants - best I have seen in awhile. Defense Defense Defense

Smith is the top DB in this draft and if he falls to us all the way down there, i'd be ecstatic.

thebow305
11-02-2007, 03:20 PM
Nope, not me. As to the last point, I'm not for bragging contests on the internet, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone other than your mom and boyfriend that would agree with you.

I don't need anyone to agree with me... I know I'm right and that's good enough for me. You may need insurance but I certainly don't.

Green Bay Scat
11-02-2007, 05:13 PM
Is Chris Williams really that bad? but i like what team u have Goff going to. a lot of people say, oh he tall/big hes a 3-4ILB, when really hes more agile and doesnt have that killers mentality, more of a general, and a tampa 2 is a perfect fit for him. Hes got the body of a Black Urlacher lol. what did urlacher run when he came out?

T-RICH49
11-02-2007, 06:47 PM
solid Chiefs mock.don't know too much about our 3rd pick but LOVE our first 2 picks

A Perfect Score
11-03-2007, 08:47 AM
Ill do my team first...Im nto crazy about either of the ravens picks. While I think cherilius is a good player and I think he is worthy of that pick, they did just draft marshall yanda and adam terry is a 2nd rounder from a few yearrs ago. Add in the fact taht they have drafted grubbs, jason brown chris chester and jared gaither with high draft picks in recent years and i just cant see teh ravens going oline, especially with the lack of depth in our secondary. In the fifrst round, id rather see someone like mike jenkins who can coem in and play nickel right away then take over when rolle begings to decline.

As for teh second pick, i dont like a Qb and i dont like ainge. he has all the tools, but his decision making can be seriously questioned at this point. i watched him more last yaer then i have this year, but whenever i see him i see talent but for some reason im just not a big fan. Also, they still have boller on hte roster who they just resigned for another year and troy smith will have a shot to provcve ihmself before they draft another QB. I can see why you would put a Qb there, but i just dont think it would happen. In that spot id like to see shawn crable, cause he is a manimal. However, once the draft comes i think crable goes much higher then that anyways so i guess its a moo point haha.




The only other critisism i can make is malcolm jenkins at #5. I know he is a very solid CB, and he has been playing a bit of FS lately wihch is wat the pats love, but i jsut cannot see them passing on kenny phillips for jenkins. Phillips has star power and he can take over when harrison is finished. With guys like meriweather and eugene wilson who already have teh ability to switch between CB and S, why not let them do that and draft a pure safety? Thats the only other pick i question, but overall good mock.

bearsfan_51
11-03-2007, 01:51 PM
Kenny Phillips is very overrated by some people on this board. Jenkins has a higher value than him right now.

As to your other points, I'm guessing here that Terry can play LT, Cherlius will play RT. Marshall Yanda is a career backup, certainly not a reason why you would avoid trying to solidify a very important position.

Boller and Troy Smith eh? I think the Boller experiment is pretty much over. Even if he's the stopgap for next year I don't see him being the longterm answer in Baltimore, and I think the braintrust has all but given up that thought as well. I like Boller, I think he could be good somewhere else, but like Grossman in Chicago, there's just too much baggage. I did consider Crable, but I think Baltimore's need for a QB of the future is too much to pass on.

Smokey Joe
11-03-2007, 02:43 PM
meh... Is Chad Henne so good that he is worth our second round pick when we have bigger needs else where? I mean really, I don't see a whole big difference between Henne or someone like Dixon or Brennan (value wise, not player wise) in the 3rd. If we aren't gonna take one of the big 3 QB's with our first pick, it wouldn't make sense to take Henne in the second, but rather take a developmental guy in the 3rd. The Bears still can compete in 08 and use that second round pick on a position of more of an importance, such as WR, or even OL again, or perhaps even RB.

Also, your love affair with Quentin Demps is creeping me out a bit.

Smokey Joe
11-03-2007, 02:58 PM
also, where is Thomas DeCoud?

Hurricane Ditka
11-03-2007, 03:11 PM
Chenne over Ainge? Not sure I really see that. The other picks make sense. Baker in the first is great.

someone447
11-03-2007, 03:29 PM
HAHAHAHA... pompous, huh? You're a funny guy. Aren't you one of the stout, stubborn Bears fans that were saying before the 2007 Draft that there was no way the Bears were going to take Greg Olsen in the 1st??? HAHAHAHAHA! How did that work out for ya!?

I will admit, I don't know everything. But I do know a lot, and certainly more than you do. Nice talk.

Come on, at least make fun of him for saying Kampman was an average DE at best, or that the Packers wouldn't be able to hold the Bears jock this year.

But in his defense, if he isn't talking about the Packers, he is usually spot on. He is definitely one of the most knowledgeable posters here. He just lets his homerism get in the way when he talks about the Packers.

bearsfan_51
11-03-2007, 03:38 PM
Come on, at least make fun of him for saying Kampman was an average DE at best, or that the Packers wouldn't be able to hold the Bears jock this year.

But in his defense, if he isn't talking about the Packers, he is usually spot on. He is definitely one of the most knowledgeable posters here. He just lets his homerism get in the way when he talks about the Packers.
Now now...I've said all sorts of things about the Packers that were dead on. Like when all of you tried to convince me that Marquand Manuel and Brady Poppinga didn't suck ass.

I also think you're overexagerating my positions a bit. That said, the Packers still really aren't that impressive this year. They aren't handling anyone, and could easily be 3-4 if it weren't for a few advantageous bounces.

As for the Bears tanking, I have few explanations for that. It seems like half the team doesn't care, which is hard to project.

bearsfan_51
11-03-2007, 03:40 PM
meh... Is Chad Henne so good that he is worth our second round pick when we have bigger needs else where? I mean really, I don't see a whole big difference between Henne or someone like Dixon or Brennan (value wise, not player wise) in the 3rd. If we aren't gonna take one of the big 3 QB's with our first pick, it wouldn't make sense to take Henne in the second, but rather take a developmental guy in the 3rd. The Bears still can compete in 08 and use that second round pick on a position of more of an importance, such as WR, or even OL again, or perhaps even RB.

Also, your love affair with Quentin Demps is creeping me out a bit.
I think Angelo would be more inclined to take Henne over Ainge, for numerous reasons. As to Brennan and Dixon, I highly doubt Aneglo even considers Brennan, and Dixon seems far too risky considering Orton doesn't seem like much of a safe bet either.

And Demps is a good value there, particularly considering his ability to play both spots in our defense.

Moses
11-03-2007, 03:41 PM
Now now...I've said all sorts of things about the Packers that were dead on. Like when all of you tried to convince me that Marquand Manuel and Brady Poppinga didn't suck ass.

I also think you're overexagerating my positions a bit. That said, the Packers still really aren't that impressive this year. They aren't handling anyone, and could easily be 3-4 if it weren't for a few advantageous bounces.

As for the Bears tanking, I have few explanations for that. It seems like half the team doesn't care, which is hard to project.

Oh come on. Quit flip flopping. You wouldn't shut up about how the Packers deserved to get beaten by the Bears and that they didn't outplay them. Now you're going to say that the Packers had a bunch of bounces and that's why they're 6-1?

bearsfan_51
11-03-2007, 04:10 PM
Oh come on. Quit flip flopping. You wouldn't shut up about how the Packers deserved to get beaten by the Bears and that they didn't outplay them. Now you're going to say that the Packers had a bunch of bounces and that's why they're 6-1?
I wouldn't shut up because you wouldn't stop whining. The Packers are 6-1 because they've played 7 games and won 6, it's not that complicated.

My point is that it's not like I missed the emergence of a dominant team. I said the Packers would finish about 9-7, obviously they will likely do better than that, but are they really an elite team? I don't think so. It's not as if I said the Patriots or the Colts would finish 9-7, there is a big difference despite the records.

someone447
11-03-2007, 04:40 PM
Now now...I've said all sorts of things about the Packers that were dead on. Like when all of you tried to convince me that Marquand Manuel and Brady Poppinga didn't suck ass.

I also think you're overexagerating my positions a bit. That said, the Packers still really aren't that impressive this year. They aren't handling anyone, and could easily be 3-4 if it weren't for a few advantageous bounces.

As for the Bears tanking, I have few explanations for that. It seems like half the team doesn't care, which is hard to project.

I'm just giving you crap, no one expected the Packers to be out in front of the Bears, not even Packer fans.

Brady Poppinga doesn't suck ass. He leaves something to be desired coverage wise, but boy can he hit.

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-03-2007, 05:49 PM
I love your Raiders picks.This would definetely help our old/crappy Dline.+rep for you sir.

scottyboy
11-03-2007, 05:56 PM
im digging the giants draft. lots of guys are high on Smith, and after watching him some this year, i can easily see why. Gooden, well i dont know much of him at all, but if he is a high risk/reward player, I'd be intruiged and fine with it. I'll watch some tape of him. And i LOVE our 3rd rounder. i'm high on Bowman and another CB would be great. Rdubs is eh and madison is aging

great job bf

Crow
11-03-2007, 08:52 PM
That's funny because I had Sweed there at first and then changed him. Reason being, do you really think Al Davis is going to spend a day 1 pick on a wide reciever that runs a bad 40?
If Kiffin lobbies hard enough, I think he'd get the guy he wanted..whether that's Sweed or whoever.

As it stands, though, you'll rarely see me complain about drafting DL/DL. Long is a great pick, and Pressley definitely addresses a need. I haven't seen enough of him to really make a call, though. High motor guy? A little smallish.

BaLLiN
11-03-2007, 09:36 PM
Love this giants draft.

1. Reggie Smith- gives giants a cover safety who can pick up the slot

2. Tavares Gooden- didn't really get to play that much in college. Draws comparisons to Jon Beason. good pick.

3. Zack Bowman- has it all physically , just hasnt really showed up yet, could be a great corner.

HoopsDemon12
11-03-2007, 09:38 PM
In the first round, I'd rather we take Malcolm Kelly. We already have speedsters in Evans and Parrish. We need a big physical #2 WR on the other side of the field. That guy could be Kelly. I really like the pick of Talib. We need a big CB because all of our CBs are small. Fluellen would help out our defensive problems, and Carlson would give us a recieving threat at TE.

Great draft for the Bills, except for Jackson. We need a physical WR.

I agree with everyhting he just said

fischbowl
11-03-2007, 09:47 PM
We would need a bigger reciever than Jackson, but best Bills draft to date.

d34ng3l021
11-03-2007, 11:11 PM
Great first and second round picks. I dont agree with Hart with our 2nd 2nd round pick. We need a bruising back to compliment Norwood, and I am not sure how effective Hart can be in that role.

Good 3rd round pick as well.

Marino13
11-04-2007, 01:40 PM
from a personal standpoint, I would love to see Long and Crable on the Fins (love Michigan), but Long is not really as big of a need as upgrades to the defense. Not a horrible draft for us, but we desperatly need secondary help

TitanHope
11-04-2007, 09:34 PM
Adarius Bowman, Rodgers-Cromartie, and Martin Rucker are all excellent picks for the Titans. My favorite Titans draft by you, BF51. Excellent job!

Finsfan79
11-05-2007, 09:12 AM
Crable is another last minute pick change. With all the talk of him being a late 1st I found it a little harder to convince myself that Miami wouldn't bite in the late 2nd. Just out of curiosities sake, if Taylor leaves, who would be the in-house guy to replace him?

Yeah there is a few kids there and all but mainly the Wright kid they drafted last year they are pretty huge on. He is a corner rusher purely speedy. But really I dont see JT going anywhere except via trade (which would net us a 2nd back I think about that). So could then see the pick.

Honestly I really think we will jump into the 4-3 next year.

I am also starting to think could see us consider taking McFadden.

art vandelay
11-05-2007, 03:07 PM
LOL at the Bills taking Desean Jackson. All we need is another undersized WR who can return kicks (Roscoe Parrish). Plus, we have one of the best returners in the league in Terrence McGee.

What the Bills need is a red zone target (Big WR/TE) with good hands. The Bills don't have a WR over 6' (Evans, Price, Reed, Parrish, etc.).

bearsfan_51
11-05-2007, 03:14 PM
LOL at the Bills taking Desean Jackson. All we need is another undersized WR who can return kicks (Roscoe Parrish). Plus, we have one of the best returners in the league in Terrence McGee.

What the Bills need is a red zone target (Big WR/TE) with good hands. The Bills don't have a WR over 6' (Evans, Price, Reed, Parrish, etc.).
While the size issue is a significant one, to compare Desean Jackson to Roscoe Parrish as a reciever is ridiculous. Do the Bills have lots of short guys? Sure. Are any of them good besides Evans? Of course not. It really comes down to value over size, and I consider Jackson's value drastically higher than Kelley. In fact, if I re-did the mock I'd probably give Jackson to Minnesota.

TitleTown088
11-05-2007, 03:19 PM
Me encanta. But I still want Felix.

bearsfan_51
11-05-2007, 03:22 PM
But I still want Felix.
Send him a note in study hall...show him some leg....maybe he'll ask you to prom.

art vandelay
11-05-2007, 03:28 PM
While the size issue is a significant one, to compare Desean Jackson to Roscoe Parrish as a reciever is ridiculous. Do the Bills have lots of short guys? Sure. Are any of them good besides Evans? Of course not. It really comes down to value over size, and I consider Jackson's value drastically higher than Kelley. In fact, if I re-did the mock I'd probably give Jackson to Minnesota.

Did I ever compare Jackson to Parrish as a receiver?? Nope. Just said that they were the same type. An undersized receiver who can return kicks.

Second, if you think the Bills would pick Desean Jackson over a big WR, or just Desean Jackson is general, you are out of your mind. Do the Bills ever draft for value? Nope. See Donte Whitner and John McCargo in the 2006 Draft. How about you check the Bills red zone % this year. It was 29th before yesterday and it will probably be going up (30-32).

Also, Josh Reed and Roscoe Parrish are good #3 WR's. I actually don't remember Reed dropping a pass all year and just like Lynch he rarely goes down on first contact. His teammates call him "the human bowling ball" for his ability to bounce off would-be tacklers. And Parrish, with how small he is, is fearless over the middle. Price is washed up, I will give you that. Evans as a #1, Kelley/Bowman as a #2, Reed as a #3 and Parrish as a #4 would be a solid WR corps.

Moses
11-05-2007, 03:39 PM
Did I ever compare Jackson to Parrish as a receiver?? Nope. Just said that they were the same type. An undersized receiver who can return kicks.

Second, if you think the Bills would pick Desean Jackson over a big WR, or just Desean Jackson is general, you are out of your mind. Do the Bills ever draft for value? Nope. See Donte Whitner and John McCargo in the 2006 Draft. How about you check the Bills red zone % this year. It was 29th before yesterday and it will probably be going up (30-32).

Also, Josh Reed and Roscoe Parrish are good #3 WR's. I actually don't remember Reed dropping a pass all year and just like Lynch he rarely goes down on first contact. His teammates call him "the human bowling ball" for his ability to bounce off would-be tacklers. And Parrish, with how small he is, is fearless over the middle. Price is washed up, I will give you that. Evans as a #1, Kelley/Bowman as a #2, Reed as a #3 and Parrish as a #4 would be a solid WR corps.

I can't see a situation unfolding where Bowman/Kelley are drafted ahead of Desean Jackson, barring something crazy happening.

art vandelay
11-05-2007, 03:44 PM
I can't see a situation unfolding where Bowman/Kelley are drafted ahead of Desean Jackson, barring something crazy happening.

It's still so early and Kelley is tearing it up right now. Anyway, BF51 said he would give the Vikings Jackson anyway and the Bills will probably be picking later than 11th.

aNYtitan
11-05-2007, 07:06 PM
Wow, where do I begin with this mock draft for the Titans

1st:No, no, no...I really am getting sick and tired of seeing these slow, possession WR going to the Titans in these drafts. The only way we draft a WR is if a speedster falls to us, such as DeSean(ain't gonna happen but I can dream), Kelly or Doucet(which is likely). However, the correct pick imo would be Rey Maluagua. This guy would bring even a more bruising, intimidating force to our linebacking core. Couple in the fact that we already have Bulluck and Thornton on the outside and we could possibly have the best linebackers in the league.

2nd: WOW! No need whatsoever to draft a CB. Our secondary has been quite a standout this season, and this is without Pacman playing this season. The only real need for us in the secondary would be SS, but Michael Griffin would have that locked up. To see the best TE prospect still on the board, I would say John Carlson would be the pick

3rd:Well I guess this does makeup for not picking Carlson in round two. However, I highly doubt that Rucker does fall this far. He is indeed the second best TE in the draft, but if the draft goes as I view it, I would say we would draft an OG or C or maybe a backup QB, such as Dennis Dixon, who would fit our offense nicely.

bearsfan_51
11-05-2007, 07:29 PM
Wow, where do I begin with this mock draft for the Titans

1st:No, no, no...I really am getting sick and tired of seeing these slow, possession WR going to the Titans in these drafts. The only way we draft a WR is if a speedster falls to us, such as DeSean(ain't gonna happen but I can dream), Kelly or Doucet(which is likely). However, the correct pick imo would be Rey Maluagua. This guy would bring even a more bruising, intimidating force to our linebacking core. Couple in the fact that we already have Bulluck and Thornton on the outside and we could possibly have the best linebackers in the league.

2nd: WOW! No need whatsoever to draft a CB. Our secondary has been quite a standout this season, and this is without Pacman playing this season. The only real need for us in the secondary would be SS, but Michael Griffin would have that locked up. To see the best TE prospect still on the board, I would say John Carlson would be the pick

3rd:Well I guess this does makeup for not picking Carlson in round two. However, I highly doubt that Rucker does fall this far. He is indeed the second best TE in the draft, but if the draft goes as I view it, I would say we would draft an OG or C or maybe a backup QB, such as Dennis Dixon, who would fit our offense nicely.
Glad you liked it. You'll have to let me borrow that crystal ball of yours so I'm as sure of myself as you are.

Yung Flippa
11-05-2007, 10:28 PM
Give the Ravens Ghoslton or Groves in Round 1 & Dwight Lowery or Cromartie in 2.

bearsfan_51
11-05-2007, 11:52 PM
Give the Ravens Ghoslton or Groves in Round 1 & Dwight Lowery or Cromartie in 2.
I don't see how the Ravens can totally ignore the tackle position.

bigbluedefense
11-08-2007, 08:04 PM
If the Giants get those guys, I'll be a very happy camper. You know, you make a very detailed (and accurate) mock for a guy who hates college football.

bearsfan_51
11-08-2007, 08:07 PM
If the Giants get those guys, I'll be a very happy camper. You know, you make a very detailed (and accurate) mock for a guy who hates college football.
Actually the fact that I don't have a team and don't care for the outcomes allows me to focus on specific players rather than the game at large.

PACKmanN
11-08-2007, 08:38 PM
No to Slaton! this guy does not have the power to be a full time starter. We need someone with strength, I have no time for these guys to fall on there behinds while running in front of our o-line.

bearsfan_51
11-08-2007, 09:23 PM
No to Slaton! this guy does not have the power to be a full time starter. We need someone with strength, I have no time for these guys to fall on there behinds while running in front of our o-line.
The Packers run a ZBS, this is a system that Warrick Dunn and Tatum Bell thrived in.

wiscbadgerfootball
11-08-2007, 09:26 PM
solid packers picks not a big fan of slaton but I could see it happening

bigbluedefense
11-08-2007, 09:36 PM
Actually the fact that I don't have a team and don't care for the outcomes allows me to focus on specific players rather than the game at large.

true. i noticed college actually has bigger homers than NFL teams do.

scottyboy
11-08-2007, 09:37 PM
true. i noticed college actually has bigger homers than NFL teams do.

*looks around*

really? who the deuce could that be...

*nervously whistles*

bigbluedefense
11-08-2007, 09:45 PM
*looks around*

really? who the deuce could that be...

*nervously whistles*

hahahha

you get a pass because youre a Giants/Rutgers fan :)

scottyboy
11-08-2007, 09:49 PM
hahahha

you get a pass because youre a Giants/Rutgers fan :)

phew, at least I'm not the giantrutgersfan haha

PACKmanN
11-08-2007, 09:53 PM
The Packers run a ZBS, this is a system that Warrick Dunn and Tatum Bell thrived in.

but we already have that type of player on our roster Brandon Jackson, now we need someone with power and I'm not sold on Ryan Grant or DeShawyn Wynn.

Draft King
11-08-2007, 10:35 PM
Decent for the Falcons. I'd rather have Brohm then Woodson but that's just a preference pick, could go either way. I don't really see us drafting Hart though, maybe it's just me not seeing enough film of him but he doesn't seem like the big bruiser back the Falcons need right now. I actually like Xavier Abidi there with Keith Brooking aging. Like the nose tackle in the 3rd, and the offensive tackle in the 2nd.

Mr. Stiller
11-09-2007, 02:20 AM
Love the mock as a whole, love pick 1 for the Steelers...aint sure about rounds 2+3 though. On the whole an awsome mock, Grade A-

Agreed..

Otah is a better OT than Barton. I think Otah is more of a Run mauler that Pitt likes and we'd probably take him before Barton.

as for Round 3.. Wr isn't one of our day 1 needs unless it's completely BPA.. which at that point I'm not sure Lavelle Hawkins is BPA..

Perhaps another OT, OG or a CB would be more ideal. We have enough small speedsters, we could actually use a sizeable physical Wr.

Duane Brown, Roy Schuenning or at Wr a guy like Jordy Nelson.

diabsoule
11-09-2007, 05:21 PM
Here's my constructive criticism:

First Round - I would prefer Dan Conner over Keith Rivers. Conner just seems to fit the mold of the linebacker the Saints like. If they liked AJ Hawk a few years ago then they will like Conner this year. Either one would be an upgrade over Scott Shanle/Brian Simmons but I like Conner a little more than Rivers.

Second Round - I like Choice but I don't think RB is our biggest need. I would prefer a DT or a MLB like Johnathan Goff, which would serve as a huge upgrade over Mark Simoneau.

Third Round - I like the selection of Castille. He would give us a lot of depth at the position and help fill out one of our weaker units.

rodri20
11-11-2007, 03:22 PM
Man... i don't really see the pats taking Malcom Jenkins and neither James Laurinaitis with their first pick... Why? The pats prefer taking CB in later rounds and BB loves LB with experience from free agency and I'm not sure if laurinaitis would be a great fit for a 3-4 defense... but i say it is more probable that the pats take laurinaitis than jenkins.... I havent seen much of Kenny phillips this year but why people are saying he is so overrated?