PDA

View Full Version : Projected Top 25 (@ End Of Reg. Season)


darnik44two
11-04-2007, 12:23 AM
PROJECTED TOP 25 (END OF REG. SEASON)

GREEN=WIN RED=LOSS

1. http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/darnik44/lsu.jpg (11-1)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 Louisiana Tech
November 17 at Mississippi
November 23 Arkansas

2. http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/darnik44/oregon-ducks-2.jpg (11-1)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 15 at Arizona
November 24 at UCLA
December 1 Oregon State

3. http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/darnik44/OKLAHOMA-SOONERS.jpg (11-1)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 Baylor
November 17 at Texas Tech
November 24 Oklahoma State

4. http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/darnik44/OHIO-STATE.jpg (11-1)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 Illinois
November 17 at Michigan

5. http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/darnik44/missouri-tigers.jpg (11-1)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 Texas A&M
November 17 at Kansas State
November 24 at Kansas

6. http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/darnik44/Boston-College-Eagles.jpg (11-1)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 at Maryland
November 17 at Clemson
November 24 Miami (FL)

7. http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/darnik44/KANSAS-JAYHAWKS.jpg (11-1)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 at Oklahoma State
November 17 Iowa State
November 24 Missouri

8. http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/darnik44/michigan-wolverines.jpg (10-2)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 at Wisconsin
November 17 Ohio State

9. http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/darnik44/virginia-tech.jpg (10-2)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 Florida State
November 17 Miami (FL)
November 24 at Virginia

10. http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee246/darnik522/usc.jpg (10-2)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 at California
November 22 at Arizona State
December 1 UCLA

11. http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/darnik44/west-virginia-mountaineers.jpg (10-2)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 8 Louisville
November 17 at Cincinnati
November 24 Connecticut
December 1 Pittsburgh

12. http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/darnik44/arizona-state-sundevils.jpg (10-2)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 at UCLA
November 22 USC
December 1 Arizona

13. http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/darnik44/texas-longhorns.jpg (10-2)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 Texas Tech
November 23 at Texas A&M

14. http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee246/darnik522/AUBURN-TIGERS.jpg (9-3)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 at Georgia
November 24 Alabama

15. http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/darnik44/florida.jpg (9-3)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 at South Carolina
November 17 Florida Atlantic
November 24 Florida State

16. http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/darnik44/hawaii-bar.jpg (11-1)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 Fresno State
November 16 at Nevada
November 23 Boise State
December 1 Washington

17. http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee246/darnik522/CONNECTICUT-HUSKIES.jpg (10-2)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 at Cincinnati
November 17 Syracuse
November 24 at West Virginia

18. http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/darnik44/kentucky-wildcats.jpg (9-3)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 at Vanderbilt
November 17 at Georgia
November 24 Tennessee

19. http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee246/darnik522/virginia.jpg (9-3)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 at Miami (FL)
November 24 Virginia Tech

20. http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee246/darnik522/penn-state.jpg (9-3)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 at Temple
November 17 at Michigan State

21. http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee246/darnik522/purdue.jpg (9-3)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 Michigan State
November 17 at Indiana

22. http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee246/darnik522/georgia.jpg (8-4)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 Auburn
November 17 Kentucky
November 24 at Georgia Tech

23. http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee246/darnik522/ALABAMA.jpg (8-4)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 at Mississippi State
November 17 Louisiana-Monroe
November 24 at Auburn

24. http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee246/darnik522/boise-state.jpg (10-2)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 at Utah State
November 17 Idaho
November 23 at Hawaii

25. http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee246/darnik522/wisconsin.jpg (8-4)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 Michigan
November 17 at Minnesota

--. http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee246/darnik522/clemson.jpg (8-4)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 Wake Forest
November 17 Boston College
November 24 at South Carolina

--. http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee246/darnik522/wake-forest.jpg (8-4)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 at Clemson
November 17 North Carolina State
November 24 at Vanderbilt

--. http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee246/darnik522/cal.jpg (8-4)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 USC
November 17 at Washington
December 1 at Stanford

--. http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee246/darnik522/arkansas.jpg (8-4)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 at Tennessee
November 17 Mississippi State
November 23 at LSU

--. http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee246/darnik522/Cincinnati-BEArcats.jpg (8-4)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 Connecticut
November 17 West Virginia
November 24 at Syracuse

--. http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee246/darnik522/illinois2.jpg (8-4)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 at Ohio State
November 17 Northwestern

--. http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/darnik44/south-carolina.jpg (7-5)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 Florida
November 24 Clemson

--. http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee246/darnik522/treennessee.jpg (7-5)

REMAINING SCHEDULE
November 10 Arkansas
November 17 Vanderbilt
November 24 at Kentucky

IF THERE WERE PLAYOFFS...

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee246/darnik522/CF-BRACKET.jpg

kwilk103
11-04-2007, 12:28 AM
you lost me at pitt beating wvu

no way, especially since it will be a night game (wvu has a home bball at 12pm or 1); wvu has never lost a home night game with rod as coach

you have a lot of teams with 1 loss

BrownsTown
11-04-2007, 12:33 AM
Looks really good to me. For Ohio State, I say a loss to Illinois is more likely (that's what I'm predicting) but I can see it both ways.

I think Missouri loses at Kansas. Then Kansas loses in the Big 12 championship. Just a prediction.

USC will probably lose against one of ASU and Cal.

But those are just my personal opinions. Nice list.

BrownsTown
11-04-2007, 12:33 AM
EDIT: Damn the double post

MaxV
11-04-2007, 12:37 AM
You have Boston College losing all of their remaining games, yet still finishing at 11-1.

BTW, if USC beats Arizona State and finishes with the same 10-2 record, shouldn't they be ahead in the rankings at the end?

kwilk103
11-04-2007, 12:37 AM
i now see why you have pitt beatin wvu---your from pittsburgh---not gonna happen; especially with a bcs berth on the line or a possible nc berth

BrownsTown
11-04-2007, 12:39 AM
i now see why you have pitt beatin wvu---your from pittsburgh---not gonna happen; especially with a bcs berth on the line or a possible nc berth

Most Steeler fans are Penn St. fans first and Pitt fans second. And a NC berth won't be at stake because they'd have OSU, Oregon, LSU and Oklahoma ahead of them.

Pitt is just the kind of team that others (Cal, USC, Boston College) have been losing to, the teams who are good but not great and sneak up on them. I can definately see it happening.

duckseason
11-04-2007, 12:42 AM
If there are that many 1 loss team at the end of the season, I fully expect my Ducks to get screwed out of the championship game once again.

BrownsTown
11-04-2007, 12:43 AM
If there are that many 1 loss team at the end of the season, I fully expect my Ducks to get screwed out of the championship game once again.

Nah, partly because they're out of those top 3, which would be the ones to choose from, they have no conference game. One of those 2 would probably lose that game. Plus, they were really impressive in victories over media darling USC and Arizona State.

kwilk103
11-04-2007, 12:44 AM
Most Steeler fans are Penn St. fans first and Pitt fans second. And a NC berth won't be at stake because they'd have OSU, Oregon, LSU and Oklahoma ahead of them.

Pitt is just the kind of team that others (Cal, USC, Boston College) have been losing to, the teams who are good but not great and sneak up on them. I can definately see it happening.

theres still a shot; we need 6 things to happen; and those teams have lost to teams that snuck up on them; pitt is our biggest rival, so they wont be sneaking up on us; plus its a home night game

BrownsTown
11-04-2007, 12:46 AM
theres still a shot; we need 6 things to happen; and those teams have lost to teams that snuck up on them; pitt is our biggest rival, so they wont be sneaking up on us; plus its a home night game

They won't sneak up on us? How would you know? Are you the coach, or the team? No, you're a fan, you, and I, can only speculate on how they will prepare. Plus, with Cinci, Louisville, and Conneticut all falling into that category as well, I would be very very VERY surprised to see West Virginia make it through the rest of this season unscathed.

duckseason
11-04-2007, 12:47 AM
I think both Cincinnati and Connecticut have a better chance than Pitt does of knocking off West Virginia. But who knows.

kwilk103
11-04-2007, 12:50 AM
dude, pitt sucks

they got destroyed by uconn, by virginia, lost to a pathetic ul team, and barely beat 'cuse

plus i have confidence in wannstedt as their coach

duckseason
11-04-2007, 12:50 AM
Nah, partly because they're out of those top 3, which would be the ones to choose from, they have no conference game. One of those 2 would probably lose that game. Plus, they were really impressive in victories over media darling USC and Arizona State.

That's too logical for the BCS. Trust me, they'll find a way to screw us. I think we should have a playoff. For all we know, unproven Kansas might knock off cinderella LSU.

BrownsTown
11-04-2007, 12:52 AM
That's too logical for the BCS. Trust me, they'll find a way to screw us. I think we should have a playoff. For all we know, unproven Kansas might knock off cinderella LSU.

If only, if only...

But also keep in mind Dennis Dixon's Heisman canidacy will bring them even more media attention. I think if they both win out, they may jump LSU and be #1. Depending on how convincingly they do it.

I just realized, could we see an exact repeat of a few years back? LSU and Oklahoma meet in the NC and a Pac-10 team ranked 1 in the AP (then USC), gets left out? Possible.

duckseason
11-04-2007, 01:03 AM
If only, if only...

But also keep in mind Dennis Dixon's Heisman canidacy will bring them even more media attention. I think if they both win out, they may jump LSU and be #1. Depending on how convincingly they do it.

I just realized, could we see an exact repeat of a few years back? LSU and Oklahoma meet in the NC and a Pac-10 team ranked 1 in the AP (then USC), gets left out? Possible.

Yeah, you're right that Dixon's newfound stardom doesn't hurt. And there are a lot of people giving us our due respect right now, but it was the same story back in '01. I believe we'll deserve to be in the NC if we win out, but I'm just trying to brace myself for the disappointment.

I could definitely see the situation you describe above becoming a reality.

bustabinary
11-04-2007, 01:12 AM
They won't sneak up on us? How would you know? Are you the coach, or the team? No, you're a fan, you, and I, can only speculate on how they will prepare. Plus, with Cinci, Louisville, and Conneticut all falling into that category as well, I would be very very VERY surprised to see West Virginia make it through the rest of this season unscathed.There's no way in hell Pitt could sneak up on West Virginia, even if Pitt was 0-11 when they play WVU. That's like saying Stanford could sneak up on Cal, Michigan on OSU, etc. It's a huge rivalry.

If WVU were to lose a game, it would be from the 3 other teams they have to play, but not Pitt.

kwilk103
11-04-2007, 01:24 AM
yea, when my parents were in school in 1983/84 pitt was real bad; 3-8, then 5-5; even after wvu won, they stormed the field, tore down the goalposts, and drug them around downtown morgantown

when nehlen was hired in 1980, in his press conference, the 1st question he was asked was, "when the **** are you going to beat pitt?"

its really an underrated rivalry, and busta is right, it would be like osu overlooking michigan

NGSeiler
11-04-2007, 01:05 AM
There's no way in hell Pitt could sneak up on West Virginia, even if Pitt was 0-11 when they play WVU. That's like saying Stanford could sneak up on Cal, Michigan on OSU, etc. It's a huge rivalry.

If WVU were to lose a game, it would be from the 3 other teams they have to play, but not Pitt.

Agreed. WVU losing their last game of the regular season, at home, at night, to Pitt in the Backyard Brawl, in the 100th time these two teams will have met... not going to happen. WVU has won four of the last five meetings, and hasn't lost at home to Pitt since 2001.

But coming from someone in Pittsburgh, not surprising the pick is the Panthers. :rolleyes:

holt_bruce81
11-04-2007, 01:29 AM
the Mizzou/Kansas game is at Arrowhead, its going to be half Mizzou and half Kansas........wouldnt really call it a home game for Kansas

nfrillman
11-04-2007, 02:06 AM
I think Missouri loses at Kansas. Then Kansas loses in the Big 12 championship. Just a prediction.

That game is being played in Kansas City, not Lawrence. It's a neutral site game.

Kansas vs Nebraska (minus Keller)
76-39.......572 yards - 484 yards
Missouri vs Nebraska
41-6.........606 yards - 297 yards

Kansas at Colorado
19-14.......333 yards - 353 yards
Missouri at Colorado
55-10.......598 yards - 196 yards

I'm just sayin.

Michigan
11-04-2007, 06:19 AM
I love you for predicting Michigan over OSU, but theres absolutely no way Kansas is ranked ahead of us if they lose their finale and we beat the #1 team in the nation. Michigan would be ~10 going into the game, while Kansas would be ~5 going into theirs.

Iamcanadian
11-04-2007, 09:38 AM
If there are that many 1 loss team at the end of the season, I fully expect my Ducks to get screwed out of the championship game once again.

Ohio St is in for sure and there will be at least 5 or 6 one loss teams who the BCS will screw this year. I agree that Oregon is the #2 team but will finish #3 as the BCS believes in the SEC hype and Pac 10 teams outside of USC get little credit.
I predict that Ohio St. will destroy LSU in the NCG with Flynn as LSU's QB. Emotion will strongly favour Ohio St. just like it did Florida last year. I can just hear the Ohio St. coaches now. The SEC destroyed you last year, this is your moment for revenge. Everybody is saying you don't deserve to be the #1 team because you play in the Big 10 and looked what happened last year.
They are saying you don't even belong in the game. I actually feel sorry for LSU because their fans are in for a shock simular to Ohio St's shock last year.

Iamcanadian
11-04-2007, 09:43 AM
I love you for predicting Michigan over OSU, but theres absolutely no way Kansas is ranked ahead of us if they lose their finale and we beat the #1 team in the nation. Michigan would be ~10 going into the game, while Kansas would be ~5 going into theirs.

Let's be real, it is very doubtful that we beat Ohio St. Henne and Hart aren't 100% and Carr hasn't had much luck against Tressel. We will also be lucky to get by Wisconsin at their field. It would be nice to win both but it is a longshot at best.

BrownsTown
11-04-2007, 10:05 AM
Ohio St is in for sure and there will be at least 5 or 6 one loss teams who the BCS will screw this year. I agree that Oregon is the #2 team but will finish #3 as the BCS believes in the SEC hype and Pac 10 teams outside of USC get little credit.
I predict that Ohio St. will destroy LSU in the NCG with Flynn as LSU's QB. Emotion will strongly favour Ohio St. just like it did Florida last year. I can just hear the Ohio St. coaches now. The SEC destroyed you last year, this is your moment for revenge. Everybody is saying you don't deserve to be the #1 team because you play in the Big 10 and looked what happened last year.
They are saying you don't even belong in the game. I actually feel sorry for LSU because their fans are in for a shock simular to Ohio St's shock last year.

A loss in the least week? That's almost impossible to survive. They wouldn't make the NC game.

Iamcanadian
11-04-2007, 10:08 AM
A loss in the least week? That's almost impossible to survive. They wouldn't make the NC game.

Ohio St. will be out if they lose but they won't. Just because somebody predicts they will lose doesn't make it so or even likely, just wishful thinking by a non Big 10 fan.

BrownsTown
11-04-2007, 10:11 AM
Ohio St. will be out if they lose but they won't. Just because somebody predicts they will lose doesn't make it so or even likely, just wishful thinking by a non Big 10 fan.

Oh, ok, thought you were going by what he said. Actually, I'm an OSU fan and I think they'll lose against Illinois. I definately hope they don't lose to Michigan, but in rivalry games you can never count either team out.

Iamcanadian
11-04-2007, 10:19 AM
Oh, ok, thought you were going by what he said. Actually, I'm an OSU fan and I think they'll lose against Illinois. I definately hope they don't lose to Michigan, but in rivalry games you can never count either team out.

I'm a Michigan fan and I'm not sold on us beating Ohio St. but it could possibly happen but we are definitely a longshot. As for Illinois, I think you along with a lot of people are underestimating Ohio St.'s football team. I think they are going to win the NC in a walk no matter who they play.

saintsfan912
11-04-2007, 10:34 AM
OSU winning the NC in a walk? I'm guessing you mean cake walk and thats fricking hilarious. LSU would kill that overrated OSU team, just like UF did last year.

Chaucer
11-04-2007, 11:21 AM
OSU winning the NC in a walk? I'm guessing you mean cake walk and thats fricking hilarious. LSU would kill that overrated OSU team, just like UF did last year.
Just like they killed Kentucky, Auburn, and Alabama?

ironman4579
11-04-2007, 11:27 AM
I'm sorry, but if anyone's overrated it's LSU.

saintsfan912
11-04-2007, 11:30 AM
So you're saying OSU has played anybody with the caliber of Bama, Auburn, Kentucky, Florida, VT?

ironman4579
11-04-2007, 11:59 AM
First of all, LSU is overrated because they've got weak QB play and kill themselves with stupid plays and stupid penalties. But do I think Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, Florida, and VaTech are great wins? Not really. Basically, all of those teams are overrated, and with the exception of VaTech, it's because they play in the SEC. One of them will be ranked, the other won't, the unranked team will win, of course moving them into the top 25, and the losing team will stay in the top 25 because "look at how tough the SEC is, anybody can beat anybody" OMG SEC IS TEH ROXXORZ!!11!!1!!1

BrownsTown
11-04-2007, 12:01 PM
I'm a Michigan fan and I'm not sold on us beating Ohio St. but it could possibly happen but we are definitely a longshot. As for Illinois, I think you along with a lot of people are underestimating Ohio St.'s football team. I think they are going to win the NC in a walk no matter who they play.

I'm an Ohio State fan ;)

But I think while the competition they've played is underrated, the defense has yet to face a real challenge. If they face Oregon in the NC, it'd be tough to win that one. LSU, maybe not so much. I think Oregon would have a better chance against OSU, than LSU.

It's mostly cause I think Illinois is underrated.

saintsfan912
11-04-2007, 12:02 PM
Anybody and everybody is overrated to homers like you. Wow. Let me guess, OSU 07 is the best team ever?

BrownsTown
11-04-2007, 12:04 PM
Anybody and everybody is overrated to homers like you. Wow. Let me guess, OSU 07 is the best team ever?

Hell no, college football in general is awful this year, whoever the champion is this year would lose to last year's Florida, OSU, Michigan, USC, maybe even Boise.

ironman4579
11-04-2007, 12:05 PM
Anybody and everybody is overrated to homers like you. Wow. Let me guess, OSU 07 is the best team ever?

If you're calling me an OSU homer, you may want to read around the site a little more.

ironman4579
11-04-2007, 12:07 PM
Hell no, college football in general is awful this year, whoever the champion is this year would lose to last year's Florida, OSU, Michigan, USC, maybe even Boise.

Exactly BT. Personally, I think just about EVERYBODY is overrated this year. There are alot of great, top level players this year in CFB, but there are no great, top level teams.

saintsfan912
11-04-2007, 12:20 PM
That i can agree to. There are no great teams, just alot of great players. Gonna be a hell of a draft thats for sure. I do think this years LSU, OSU, and Oregon teams would beat last years UM, Boise state teams.

nfrillman
11-04-2007, 09:55 PM
The first thing people need to realize is that the Big 10 is amazingly overrated. Look at that conference and those teams. What in the hell do people see there??? It's a terrible conference. Ohio St is going to get slaughtered by whoever they face in the NC. I am rooting for Illinois and Michigan to beat them so we do not have to watch the same thing that happened last year. If OSU makes it they will lose, then we will have 5 or 6 one loss teams and everyone is going to think their team is the best, and have a right to think so, which is why the whole system is stupid.

BrownsTown
11-04-2007, 10:33 PM
The first thing people need to realize is that the Big 10 is amazingly overrated. Look at that conference and those teams. What in the hell do people see there??? It's a terrible conference. Ohio St is going to get slaughtered by whoever they face in the NC. I am rooting for Illinois and Michigan to beat them so we do not have to watch the same thing that happened last year. If OSU makes it they will lose, then we will have 5 or 6 one loss teams and everyone is going to think their team is the best, and have a right to think so, which is why the whole system is stupid.

What the hell do people see in the Big 12? Or the SEC? If you look at inter conference games, the records are close than they seem. I get a chance to watch all these teams, and with the exception of a few, they all look like good teams. It's got more depth and up and down with Illinois, Indiana, Michigan State, Michigan, Penn St., and Wisconsin than people give them credit for. At this point in the season, only 1 team isn't bowl eligible from the Big 10. 8 teams are already bowl eligible, and 2 only need 1 more win. It's a deep conference. You could have potentially 10 of 11 teams from the Big 10 go to bowl (Although they won't).

I kinda strayed, but the point is at this point you can't say who the best conference is with absolute certainty.

You trash OSU for playing an easy schedule, but you pimp Missouri? That's contradiction if there ever was.

saintsfan912
11-04-2007, 10:37 PM
What the hell do people see in the Big 12? Or the SEC? If you look at inter conference games, the records are close than they seem. I get a chance to watch all these teams, and with the exception of a few, they all look like good teams. It's got more depth and up and down with Illinois, Indiana, Michigan State, Michigan, Penn St., and Wisconsin than people give them credit for. At this point in the season, only 1 team isn't bowl eligible from the Big 10. 8 teams are already bowl eligible, and 2 only need 1 more win. It's a deep conference. You could have potentially 10 of 11 teams from the Big 10 go to bowl (Although they won't).

I kinda strayed, but the point is at this point you can't say who the best conference is with absolute certainty.

You trash OSU for playing an easy schedule, but you pimp Missouri? That's contradiction if there ever was.

Same could be said for the SEC bud. 2 teams are 1 win away from bowl eligibility and only 1 is not close. Even SEC doormats Vanderbilt and Mississippi State have 5 win each.

By the way, is that sig for real? Did Young really answer that or was that made up?

BrownsTown
11-04-2007, 10:39 PM
Same could be said for the SEC bud. 2 teams are 1 win away from bowl eligibility and only 1 is not close. Even SEC doormats Vanderbilt and Mississippi State have 5 win each.

By the way, is that sig for real? Did Young really answer that or was that made up?

Exactly, like I said I kinda strayed but I summarized what I was trying to say under that.

And no it's not real, I wore it on a different site after his wonderlic results came out and a friend reminded me of it so I whipped it back out.

yo123
11-04-2007, 10:42 PM
OSU winning the NC in a walk? I'm guessing you mean cake walk and thats fricking hilarious. LSU would kill that overrated OSU team, just like UF did last year.



Why the **** does everyone think OSU is overrated? Someone quote me, OSU is going to run the table and win the NC. They dont have any real holes, they have the best defense in the country, a beast of a RB in Beanie Wells, and an underated QB. Im just struggling to see why people are so skeptical.

BrownsTown
11-04-2007, 10:44 PM
Why the **** does everyone think OSU is overrated? Someone quote me, OSU is going to run the table and be playing for the NC.

Simple, because they're #1.

saintsfan912
11-04-2007, 10:49 PM
Name one team that is actually half way decent that they have played. I mean give me a break with that **** OOC schedule. I don't even know where Youngstown State, Kent State are even from. I know LSU has played their share of **** teams, but they are in state "rivals". And at least LSU played a top 10 OOC team and has some sort of competition on their schedule.

BrownsTown
11-04-2007, 10:53 PM
Name one team that is actually half way decent that they have played. I mean give me a break with that **** OOC schedule. I don't even know where Youngstown State, Kent State are even from. I know LSU has played their share of **** teams, but they are in state "rivals". And at least LSU played a top 10 OOC team and has some sort of competition on their schedule.

Youngstown State and Kent State are both in Ohio...

They're taking a break, so to speak. They did a home and home series against Texas 2 years, and a home and home series with USC the next 2 years. They're not doign a big game this year.

They played MSU, Penn St, Purdue, Wisconsin who have all been ranked at sometime this year. They're halfway decent at the very least. Their toughest 2 games have yet to come.

LonghornsLegend
11-04-2007, 11:20 PM
Thats the only thing that bugs me about college football, if all those teams end with 1 loss, the best team that year might not even win the NC, its just too hard to tell without a playoff...what if Kansas wins out, but so does LSU and Oregon, do they jump either of those 2 even being undefeated?? probably not both which sucks for them

srv fan
11-04-2007, 11:39 PM
"The first thing people need to realize is that the Big 10 is amazingly overrated. Look at that conference and those teams. What in the hell do people see there??? It's a terrible conference. Ohio St is going to get slaughtered by whoever they face in the NC. I am rooting for Illinois and Michigan to beat them so we do not have to watch the same thing that happened last year. If OSU makes it they will lose, then we will have 5 or 6 one loss teams and everyone is going to think their team is the best, and have a right to think so, which is why the whole system is stupid."

Why exactly is the B10 so weak? You just say they suck, and then don't offer any explanation.

"Why the **** does everyone think OSU is overrated? Someone quote me, OSU is going to run the table and win the NC. They dont have any real holes, they have the best defense in the country, a beast of a RB in Beanie Wells, and an underated QB. Im just struggling to see why people are so skeptical."

I don't know about running the table (as a Michigan fan, I HOPE not), but they certainly are better than a lot of detractors are saying. They're not as pretty to watch (or as overall good) as last year, but last time I checked a massive o-line, good RB, and great defense is the classical formula to win a lot of football games.

DChess
11-05-2007, 12:55 AM
you think west virginia is going to lose to pitt? maybe uconn but no way pitt

DChess
11-05-2007, 01:01 AM
Name one team that is actually half way decent that they have played. I mean give me a break with that **** OOC schedule. I don't even know where Youngstown State, Kent State are even from. I know LSU has played their share of **** teams, but they are in state "rivals". And at least LSU played a top 10 OOC team and has some sort of competition on their schedule.

settle down there champ. i really dont know how you can knock a team whos undefeated who is in a bcs conference, its pretty hard to run the table regardless of who you're playing. lsu isnt that good, and you're making osu look like a jv team. they have beat penn st, wisconsin, if they beat illnois and michigan then i say they deserve to be in it. lsu has had some close calls and much more than osu. and if you wanna get into this sec is the greatest conference ever, save it, nobody wants to hear it. they arent that good.

DChess
11-05-2007, 01:07 AM
theres still a shot; we need 6 things to happen; and those teams have lost to teams that snuck up on them; pitt is our biggest rival, so they wont be sneaking up on us; plus its a home night game

nah theres absolutley no chance we play in the NC. even if all the things you listed happen, they will still put a team above us. i wish we could schedule some good out of conference games because looking at us on paper, we dont deserve to play for the NC, and thats not our fault, give us like a va tech or a boston college to face early in the year.

DChess
11-05-2007, 01:12 AM
]"The first thing people need to realize is that the Big 10 is amazingly overrated. Look at that conference and those teams. What in the hell do people see there??? It's a terrible conference.[/B] Ohio St is going to get slaughtered by whoever they face in the NC. I am rooting for Illinois and Michigan to beat them so we do not have to watch the same thing that happened last year. If OSU makes it they will lose, then we will have 5 or 6 one loss teams and everyone is going to think their team is the best, and have a right to think so, which is why the whole system is stupid."

Why exactly is the B10 so weak? You just say they suck, and then don't offer any explanation.

"Why the **** does everyone think OSU is overrated? Someone quote me, OSU is going to run the table and win the NC. They dont have any real holes, they have the best defense in the country, a beast of a RB in Beanie Wells, and an underated QB. Im just struggling to see why people are so skeptical."

I don't know about running the table (as a Michigan fan, I HOPE not), but they certainly are better than a lot of detractors are saying. They're not as pretty to watch (or as overall good) as last year, but last time I checked a massive o-line, good RB, and great defense is the classical formula to win a lot of football games.

honestly, what the **** are you talking about? everybody has your unorgiinal opionion of the big ten to be this awful conference. everybody on tihs board either wants to build up a team so much or declare them the worst ever, and that goes for the conferences too. the big ten is awful, its alright, a little better than decent, not spectacular. the sec is good but not great. florida had a great team last year, and they just simply out coached osu, were they a much better team, no, but they were better. i dont think anybody this year has a team that will go down in the record books, so if anybody in the top five played each other, i doubt any of them would get "slaughtered". relax with these extreme views, it makes you look like an idiot

Namy
11-05-2007, 01:14 AM
People need to stop bashing OSU. They are undefeated and at least they know how to keep the #1 spot. It's not OSU's fault that all the teams once ahead of them stumbled.

People can say all they want, but last season's OSU team, in my honest opinion, was BETTER than Florida... people forget how long that effing break in between the season and NC game was. If OSU makes it to the NC game again, I expect Tressel do better prepare his players for the "SEC" speed.

As a couple people pointed out tho, we have a lot of great players this year but really not many great teams. With how this year is turning out, the cry for the playoff system should get louder. I definitely hope so.

kwilk103
11-05-2007, 01:33 AM
nah theres absolutley no chance we play in the NC. even if all the things you listed happen, they will still put a team above us. i wish we could schedule some good out of conference games because looking at us on paper, we dont deserve to play for the NC, and thats not our fault, give us like a va tech or a boston college to face early in the year.

there still is a slight chance (need 6 things to happen), plus beating ranked cincy and ranked (top 10?) uconn will help;

but next year we open vs auburn, go to colorado; also in upcoming years play mich st, fla st

vt and bc arent that good; bc was routinely finishing in 4th place in the big east

DChess
11-05-2007, 01:43 AM
there still is a slight chance (need 6 things to happen), plus beating ranked cincy and ranked (top 10?) uconn will help;

but next year we open vs auburn, go to colorado; also in upcoming years play mich st, fla st

vt and bc arent that good; bc was routinely finishing in 4th place in the big east

im just saying a decent team, i used bc as an example because they are having a good year, just an example of a good team. im telling you if those 6 things happen which is wont happen but even if they dont we still wont be in the NC, we needed to run the table and we didnt

soybean
11-05-2007, 01:56 AM
if ASU ends up with 2 losses, will they make it to the fiesta bowl?

Chaucer
11-05-2007, 02:23 AM
Michigan lost to APP state. HAHAH The Big 10 Blows

Dchess Likes guys. HAHAH

WAHOOOOOO.

DChess
11-05-2007, 01:48 PM
if ASU ends up with 2 losses, will they make it to the fiesta bowl?

as the horses say it, nahhhhhhh


oh wow im ***

BrownsTown
11-05-2007, 02:03 PM
Michigan lost to APP state. HAHAH The Big 10 Blows

Dchess Likes guys. HAHAH

WAHOOOOOO.

LOL. The Big 10 bashing is worth it since I get to make fun of Michigan fans.

nfrillman
11-05-2007, 06:27 PM
Okay, listen up Big 10 guys that wanted my explanation for why the Big 10 isn't good, or why the Big 12 is better. I have stated this two or three times before in related threads. Since 2005 the Big 12 is 7-2 against the Big 10. There, explain that, the records speak for themselves. The Big 10's best teams got destroyed in their bowls last season, more evidence. Two Big 10 teams lost to Division 1AA schools, more evidence. As for me "pimping" Missouri, I have no clue what you are talking about. Where and when have I brought up Missouri's strength of schedule or anything like that. Where? I have them as my sig, but I am not, and have not, been "pimping" Missouri. If they do win the Big 12 I will, because they would have beaten a top 5 Kansas and Oklahoma team to do so, while OSU for example would have beaten one team that is ranked at the end of the year, if they do beat Michigan. There's your evidence, try to dispute what I just said.

DChess
11-05-2007, 06:38 PM
osu beat texas pretty convincenly last year, and im pretty sure they would have beaten oklahoma also. same with michigan. dont know about this year though cant really say but i think the big 12 defitnaly has more depth, now for best team, it would be close but i think osu's d would get to bradford. it would be a 24-17 type game

BrownsTown
11-05-2007, 06:44 PM
It's just people hating on the Big 10 because Michigan and OSU get a lot of media attention. I just ignore most of it.

P-L
11-05-2007, 06:59 PM
Okay, listen up Big 10 guys that wanted my explanation for why the Big 10 isn't good, or why the Big 12 is better. I have stated this two or three times before in related threads. Since 2005 the Big 12 is 7-2 against the Big 10. There, explain that, the records speak for themselves.

The Big 10 was 2-1 against the SEC last year and 6-5 over the last four years. I guess they were the superior conference. The records speak for themselves.

nfrillman
11-05-2007, 09:22 PM
The Big 10 was 2-1 against the SEC last year and 6-5 over the last four years. I guess they were the superior conference. The records speak for themselves.

I never said anything about the SEC, so I don't see how this is relavent to what I said at all. As for those records, 6-5 is not the definition of dominating, 7-2 is.

As for the previous claims of all the Big 10 teams that are/will be bowl eligible. The Big 12 has 5 teams eligible and 4 more that can still make it. Now let's look at who the second teir teams of Big 10 and Big 12 played, specifically what difficult out of conference games they played or will play.

Big 12
Kansas St- @ Auburn, @ Fresno St.......combined record of out of conference teams 21-17
Colorado- @ Arizona St, Florida St.......combined record of out of conference teams 20-17
Oklahoma St- @ Georgia, @ Troy........combined record of out of conference teams 22-13
Texas A&M- Fresno St, @ Miami........combined record of out of conference teams 19-17

Big 10
Illinois- Missouri.......combined record of out of conference teams 22-17
Penn St-........combined record of out of conference teams 8-29
Wisconsin-........combined record of out of conference teams 11-25
Purdue-.........combined record of out of conference teams 17-20
Iowa-........combined record of out of conference teams 8-29
Indiana-.........combined record of out of conference teams 11-27
Northwestern-........combined record of out of conference teams 11-26
Michigan St-.........combined record of out of conference teams 12-24

I was very loose on what I called a hard game, and even while doing that those 2nd teir Big 10 schools played one difficult OOC game. Combined opponents records for second teir schools:

Big 10- 100-197
Big 12- 82-64

Yes, those Big 10 schools are certainly running one hell of a tough gauntlet to gain bowl eligibility. See, being bowl eligible is all fine and good, but only a fool wouldn't look at who those teams played to obtain those records. Those 2nd teir Big 10 schools schedule cream-puffs OOC, which should gain them 4 wins, at the very least 3. That means they must win 3 conference games, not too hard.

jballa838
11-05-2007, 11:14 PM
nice hawaii cop out, but if they beat BSU they wil beat UW in a shootout.
it stirs things up less if they lose one.

and no BYU?

srv fan
11-06-2007, 07:37 AM
...deleted

nfrillman
11-06-2007, 03:32 PM
I like how none of the Big 10 supporters have any response or comment to my previous post.

bearsfan_51
11-06-2007, 04:00 PM
I like how none of the Big 10 supporters have any response or comment to my previous post.
What exactly was the point? That 2nd tier teams schedule easy non-conference matchups to pad their win totals? No **** sherlock. A school like Indiana isn't trying to win the BCS, they're trying to get a couple million their way by playing in the Humanitarian Bowl presented by Popeye's Chicken.

Was that an actual attempt to argue that the Big 12 is better than the Big Ten though? Becuase the statistics you provide don't say one way or another in that regard.

bearsfan_51
11-06-2007, 04:06 PM
I don't even know where Youngstown State, Kent State are even from. I know LSU has played their share of **** teams, but they are in state "rivals".
1) Buy a map or an atlas, learn something.
2) Kent State and Youngstown State are from Ohio. Had you known anything about geography this wouldn't have to be pointed out to you.
3) They didn't play Kent State, they played Akron, which is also a school in Ohio.

Shane P. Hallam
11-06-2007, 04:15 PM
I never said anything about the SEC, so I don't see how this is relavent to what I said at all. As for those records, 6-5 is not the definition of dominating, 7-2 is.

As for the previous claims of all the Big 10 teams that are/will be bowl eligible. The Big 12 has 5 teams eligible and 4 more that can still make it. Now let's look at who the second teir teams of Big 10 and Big 12 played, specifically what difficult out of conference games they played or will play.

Big 12
Kansas St- @ Auburn, @ Fresno St.......combined record of out of conference teams 21-17
Colorado- @ Arizona St, Florida St.......combined record of out of conference teams 20-17
Oklahoma St- @ Georgia, @ Troy........combined record of out of conference teams 22-13
Texas A&M- Fresno St, @ Miami........combined record of out of conference teams 19-17

Big 10
Illinois- Missouri.......combined record of out of conference teams 22-17
Penn St-........combined record of out of conference teams 8-29
Wisconsin-........combined record of out of conference teams 11-25
Purdue-.........combined record of out of conference teams 17-20
Iowa-........combined record of out of conference teams 8-29
Indiana-.........combined record of out of conference teams 11-27
Northwestern-........combined record of out of conference teams 11-26
Michigan St-.........combined record of out of conference teams 12-24

I was very loose on what I called a hard game, and even while doing that those 2nd teir Big 10 schools played one difficult OOC game. Combined opponents records for second teir schools:

Big 10- 100-197
Big 12- 82-64

Yes, those Big 10 schools are certainly running one hell of a tough gauntlet to gain bowl eligibility. See, being bowl eligible is all fine and good, but only a fool wouldn't look at who those teams played to obtain those records. Those 2nd teir Big 10 schools schedule cream-puffs OOC, which should gain them 4 wins, at the very least 3. That means they must win 3 conference games, not too hard.

I didn't read your whole thing because I'm in class. You're saying the Big Ten isn't as worthy of Bowl Games due to its poor OOC schedule? So many schools have poor OOC schedules, sometimes on purpose, sometimes just because teams blow in general. It happens, teams can be worse than you imagine they will be, records also aren't always conducive to ability. The Bowl system blows, so you have to do what you can to be eligible. You cite Troy and Fresno State, awesome records due to weak conferences. Can we count the good Div II teams with good records? It is all relative. Both conferences have teams that deserve to be there, no doubt.

DChess
11-06-2007, 04:28 PM
I like how none of the Big 10 supporters have any response or comment to my previous post.

because what you're saying is so stupid. you're just counting teams with good records for SOS. troy is awful, fresno is awful, miami is average at best in a dissapointing conference. you're fighting for the conference but you're talking about playing teams in lower conferences. awesome, fresno has a good record, that means nothing. app st has a good record, what you're saying holds no water. illnois barley loses to your second best team. we're talking about head to head conferences and you're bringing up schools with good records, in lower tier conferences. i brought up last year how ohio st beat texas pretty bad and how michigan would also beat a team like that. iowa should have (or did?) beat them. last year the big 10 was much better than the big 12, this year, its kind of hard to get any evidence.

nfrillman
11-06-2007, 04:47 PM
What exactly was the point? That 2nd tier teams schedule easy non-conference matchups to pad their win totals? No **** sherlock. A school like Indiana isn't trying to win the BCS, they're trying to get a couple million their way by playing in the Humanitarian Bowl presented by Popeye's Chicken.

Was that an actual attempt to argue that the Big 12 is better than the Big Ten though? Becuase the statistics you provide don't say one way or another in that regard.

I brought that up because someone stated how many Big 10 schools could be bowl eligible earlier in the thread. The number of teams being bowl eligible doesn't indicate how good a conference is. As for me saying some of those games were hard for the Big 12 when they weren't, first off they are much harder than any games those Big 10 teams faced (besides Illinois playing Missouri). Let's throw out Fresno St, Troy, Miami, and Florida St games, there are still the games @Auburn, @Georgia, @Arizona St.....yeah those are easy games. But lets just say those weren't hard games, the difference in records of OOC opponents is astounding between the 2nd teir of the Big 12 and Big 10.

And finally, how many times must I state that the Big 12 is 7-2 against the Big 10 since 2005. How does that statistic not say that the Big 12 is better than the Big 10. Explain that to me.

iowatreat54
11-06-2007, 04:57 PM
I brought that up because someone stated how many Big 10 schools could be bowl eligible earlier in the thread. The number of teams being bowl eligible doesn't indicate how good a conference is. As for me saying some of those games were hard for the Big 12 when they weren't, first off they are much harder than any games those Big 10 teams faced (besides Illinois playing Missouri). Let's throw out Fresno St, Troy, Miami, and Florida St games, there are still the games @Auburn, @Georgia, @Arizona St.....yeah those are easy games. But lets just say those weren't hard games, the difference in records of OOC opponents is astounding between the 2nd teir of the Big 12 and Big 10.

And finally, how many times must I state that the Big 12 is 7-2 against the Big 10 since 2005. How does that statistic not say that the Big 12 is better than the Big 10. Explain that to me.

ok, I don't wanna get into this whole argument because honestly I could care less which conference is better...but I would like to see out of those 9 games played against eachother, what teams played eachother? Because say Oklahoma beat Illinois in 2005 (I know they didn't just an example), how does that mean the Big 12 is better when their best team beats our worst? So that's one thing...and I brought up how many bowl eligible teams in the Big 10 there might be, and I said it's because of all the bowl tie-ins and the fact that the Big 10 is recognized as having a huge fan following, which would be why any other team would receive an at-large...just to clarify, were you arguing that the Big 12 deserved those bowl games over the Big 10 or just that the Big 12 is better?

bearsfan_51
11-06-2007, 05:53 PM
And finally, how many times must I state that the Big 12 is 7-2 against the Big 10 since 2005. How does that statistic not say that the Big 12 is better than the Big 10. Explain that to me.

Well that would be a more relavent statistic, to which I wasn't replying. I still think it's a faulty assumption that 2005 or 2006 have anything to do with 2007 though.

If you look at this year, Missouri and Iowa State beat Illinois and Iowa in close rivalry games respectively (if there are more games feel free to fill me in, I'm too lazy.

Does this mean that the Big 12 is a tougher conference this year than the Big Ten? Not really. I think if you look from top to bottom you could make that comparison anyway though. Statistics can tell you whatever you want them to say, but based on a myriad of subjective factors I think it's safe to say that the Big 12 is slightly stronger this year (though both are pretty weak IMO).

Regardless, the Big Ten isn't very good this year. That should be clear. But Ohio State still has a chance to win the whole enchillada, and that's probably more than you can say realistically for any team in the Big 12.

saintsfan912
11-06-2007, 07:30 PM
1) Buy a map or an atlas, learn something.
2) Kent State and Youngstown State are from Ohio. Had you known anything about geography this wouldn't have to be pointed out to you.
3) They didn't play Kent State, they played Akron, which is also a school in Ohio.


1. Why buy an atlas to find a ****** school?
2. Yea, cause Youngstown is such a HUGE fricking city. Generally in geography you don't learn about little **** cities in Ohio.
3. Actually smart ass, OSU DID play Kent State this year. Looks like someone else needs to learn something.

iowatreat54
11-06-2007, 07:42 PM
1. Why buy an atlas to find a ****** school?
2. Yea, cause Youngstown is such a HUGE fricking city. Generally in geography you don't learn about little **** cities in Ohio.
3. Actually smart ass, OSU DID play Kent State this year. Looks like someone else needs to learn something.

actually, Youngstown is Ohio's eighth largest city with a pop. of just over 82,000 (per Wiki) so hardly a small city...plus it is a D1aa powerhouse in football, so one would assume a college football fan would know of them

saintsfan912
11-06-2007, 07:52 PM
Nah, what's the use to pay attention to D2 schools?
And 82,000, wow such a big city. Give me a break, there's more people in Tiger Stadium every Saturday night.

SuperKevin
11-06-2007, 08:02 PM
rep rape saintsfan

saintsfan912
11-06-2007, 08:04 PM
You think I actually care when you say something? Nah, not so much.

iowatreat54
11-06-2007, 08:08 PM
Nah, what's the use to pay attention to D2 schools?
And 82,000, wow such a big city. Give me a break, there's more people in Tiger Stadium every Saturday night.

so what you're saying is we shouldn't pay attention to Auburn, Arkansas, Alabama, Indiana, Kansas, Penn State, West Virginia, Virginia Tech, and Mississippi? Because the cities that they are in all have populations less than Youngstown. Just because YOU don't know where a city is doesn't mean the rest of the educated world doesn't...plus, I never said it was a big city, I said it was the 8th largest in Ohio and hardly a small city, and the fact that the top tier D1aa (not D2 buddy) are arguably better than the bottom 10-20 teams in D1A actually does mean that a college football fan would pay attention to them

SuperKevin
11-06-2007, 08:11 PM
2. Yea, cause Youngstown is such a HUGE fricking city. Generally in geography you don't learn about little **** cities in Ohio.


You have a Louisiana education. It's worthless

saintsfan912
11-06-2007, 08:11 PM
Not when they don't come on TV. And I never said I didn't pay attention to them because they were in a small city. I said I didn't pay attention to them because they are a D2(D1aa or what the **** ever) school.

saintsfan912
11-06-2007, 08:12 PM
You have a Louisiana education. It's worthless

Yea, cause idiots like you with your insults are so worthy of respectablity. Get a life dude.

kwilk103
11-06-2007, 08:21 PM
Let's limit it to the SEC's six most successful programs: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU and Tennessee. That keeps the likes of Mississippi State and Vanderbilt from dragging down the SEC's good name.

And let's not just look at this season but the past six, from 2002 to now. The sample is robust enough to account for down years, probation and Mike Shula.

Would you be surprised to learn those six SEC schools are just 6-9 in regular season non-conference games against ranked opponents during that time? Of those six victories, only one came on the road — in fact, the SEC elite has played just five road games against ranked opponents since 2002

Even the SEC can't avoid tough bowl games, and it has done pretty well there with a 16-10 record since the 2002 postseason. That includes a 12-8 record in bowl games against ranked opponents and national championships from Florida and LSU.

Those titles tended to mask the sometimes-middling success of the SEC as a whole. That 12-8 record against ranked postseason opponents is good but not the domination expected from a league so casually deemed clearly better than the rest.
Mississippi State won at Auburn, too, but got drilled at Big East power West Virginia. You might be among those who forgot all about West Virginia after it lost at South Florida and then got treated with less respect than two-loss SEC teams.

Alabama is tied for first in the SEC West after blowing out Tennessee. If the Crimson Tide wins the SEC, will anyone remember that loss to Atlantic Coast Conference also-ran Florida State?

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-flspmikec01nbnov01,0,6173186.column?coll=sofla_tab 02_layout

Sniper
11-06-2007, 08:22 PM
How, exactly, is Ohio State overrated? Is it the defense? Um, no. Must be the running game right? Oddly enough, I don't think Chris Wells is the problem. Ok, so it's the quarterback play, right? Geez, no it isn't. I know, I know, the receivers! Well, no, Robiskie and Co. are damn good. So do tell, how is OSU overrated? Because of a 50+ day layoff LAST year and they were out of shape and got handled by Florida? Um, no, this is a different team.

SEC fans are ******* ******** and delusional. ZOMGZZZZZZZZZZZZZ SEC IS SO TOUGH ZOMGZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Well, no, it really isn't all that great. Get over it. Amidst all the commotion last year about SEC SPEED ZOMGZ WE'RE SO FAST, SEC homers tend to forget that speedy Arkansas lost to the big, slow, slogging Wisconsin team and Penn State with Anthony ******* Morelli at QB ***** slapped Tennessee!!!!! I suppose we just throw those aside, right?

Bottom line, Ohio State is a very deserving #1. Don't like it LSU? Here's a ******* tip. Win all your games. You're supposed to have more speed than God, let's see it in all your games. You've scratched by many mediocre teams, but I suppose it's that amazing SEC conference strength, right? And don't pimp your win over VT. Last I checked, VT played with no QB in that game.

Sniper
11-06-2007, 08:24 PM
Alabama is tied for first in the SEC West after blowing out Tennessee. If the Crimson Tide wins the SEC, will anyone remember that loss to Atlantic Coast Conference also-ran Florida State?

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-flspmikec01nbnov01,0,6173186.column?coll=sofla_tab 02_layout

Don't forget about UT's pimp smacking at the hands of Cal

saintsfan912
11-06-2007, 08:24 PM
Actually Bama is 2 games behind LSU in the West.

iowatreat54
11-06-2007, 08:25 PM
Not when they don't come on TV. And I never said I didn't pay attention to them because they were in a small city. I said I didn't pay attention to them because they are a D2(D1aa or what the **** ever) school.

actually...

Name one team that is actually half way decent that they have played. I mean give me a break with that **** OOC schedule. I don't even know where Youngstown State, Kent State are even from. I know LSU has played their share of **** teams, but they are in state "rivals". And at least LSU played a top 10 OOC team and has some sort of competition on their schedule.

you made the argument that they have a BS OOC schedule, mainly supporting it with the fact that you do not know where Youngstown State or Kent State are from. You only said we shouldn't pay attention to them because they are 1aa after I brought it up...and in that case, Youngstown State is the only 1aa team that OSU plays and sure, LSU doesn't play any 1aa teams this year, but they did play Mid Tenn State and Louisiana Tech, who are arguably the same level as Kent State and Akron...but yes LSU does play other tougher opponents, no doubt about it, but other SEC teams play 1aa teams and bad teams...Auburn plays Tennessee Tech, Arkansas plays Chattanooga and FIU, Florida plays FAU, Kentucky played Eastern Kentucky, FAU, and Kent State (yes the same Kent State that faced OSU), all those teams are arguably worse if not maybe the same level as Youngstown State...OSU played crappy teams? Great. So does every other team in America.

iowatreat54
11-06-2007, 08:27 PM
Actually Bama is 2 games behind LSU in the West.

2 total games but 1 game in the west, and he posted that prior to the loss at LSU....

saintsfan912
11-06-2007, 08:29 PM
And why don't you play a Top 25 team this year OSU besides UM. Until you actually win against a good team, you're team isn't going to be respected. It's overrated til then. Not saying OSU is a bad team, just not deserving of the #1 spot, YET. Nobody this year is a clear #1 really, and I think most people can agree to that.

By the way, last I checked VT was #9 in the country. They had the same QB they have now and the same defense. Its the same team that played earlier this year.

saintsfan912
11-06-2007, 08:36 PM
Actually the reason it is BS is because that those OCC teams have a combined record of 12-16, wow.

And I never said nobody should pay attention to them, I just said I don't and see no reason to pay attention to a team like that.

I don't remember saying anything about the rest of the SEC's OOC. I was talking about LSU's schedule opposed to OSU's. LSU has the 13th best SOS, not sure what OSU's is but I would be willing to bet it isn't within 50 spots of 13.

bearsfan_51
11-06-2007, 08:36 PM
The polls say the Buckeyes are #1.

The computers say the Buckeyes are #1.

I'll take that over the opinion of saintsfan912.

iowatreat54
11-06-2007, 08:37 PM
And why don't you play a Top 25 team this year OSU besides UM. Until you actually win against a good team, you're team isn't going to be respected. It's overrated til then. Not saying OSU is a bad team, just not deserving of the #1 spot, YET. Nobody this year is a clear #1 really, and I think most people can agree to that.

By the way, last I checked VT was #9 in the country. They had the same QB they have now and the same defense. Its the same team that played earlier this year.

Purdue, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Penn State, Michigan, Washington all have been ranked or were ranked when OSU played them...that's the same amount as LSU will play (I actually think LSUs is like 7)...so let's now debate how the SEC is better than the Big 10 because I know that's what's coming next...

I know you didn't say anything about the rest of the SEC...I was just showing how all other teams play crap OOC, yet if Auburn or Arkansas were undefeated would be #1 without question and couldn't possibly be overrated...

saintsfan912
11-06-2007, 08:38 PM
What, no response to your ignorance that I called out?

kwilk103
11-06-2007, 08:43 PM
i used to like sec fans til the '06 sugar bowl; then i heard all about the sec speed and how mighty they were and wvu wasnt good enough to face them and how a junior/senior-laden uga team was gonna beat wvu by 14; then a team that was mainly freshman/sophomores went into uga's backyard and beat them

and the last 3x we played an sec team we've won; and we still hear how big and bad the sec is; usf beat ranked auburn this year and we destroyed miss st; next year we'll likely win vs auburn

jballa838
11-06-2007, 08:44 PM
BYU will end the season in the top 25. they have 2 losses. one in ot and the other to UCLA.
dumbass

saintsfan912
11-06-2007, 08:44 PM
Are any of them ranked now? NOOOOOOOO. But I'm not gonna get in a debate on which conference is better, its pointless. We all have our own opinions and there is no way to tell which conference is better. Bowl records mean nothing because it's usually Big Ten 3 against SEC 5 or something like that.

iowatreat54
11-06-2007, 08:49 PM
Are any of them ranked now? NOOOOOOOO. But I'm not gonna get in a debate on which conference is better, its pointless. We all have our own opinions and there is no way to tell which conference is better. Bowl records mean nothing because it's usually Big Ten 3 against SEC 5 or something like that.

ok how many ranked teams at the end of the year has LSU played? As of right now zero because who the f*** knows what the rankings are at the end of the year...you asked how many opponents were ranked that OSU played and I told you who was ranked when they played them...Yes LSU has a tougher schedule. Yes OSU is undefeated. Who is better? No one in the world knows because they haven't played each other. Oh, and by the way, you better pray that Kentucky doesn't lose another game, because then they will be unranked, making your loss to an unranked team at the end of the season, and since that's all that matter, LSU cannot possibly be the best team.

saintsfan912
11-06-2007, 08:49 PM
i used to like sec fans til the '06 sugar bowl; then i heard all about the sec speed and how mighty they were and wvu wasnt good enough to face them and how a junior/senior-laden uga team was gonna beat wvu by 14; then a team that was mainly freshman/sophomores went into uga's backyard and beat them

and the last 3x we played an sec team we've won; and we still hear how big and bad the sec is; usf beat ranked auburn this year and we destroyed miss st; next year we'll likely win vs auburn

Oh, wow, you destroyed MSU. Big fricking deal. Win a big game this year bud against a real opponent other than Western Michigan or Eastern Carolina. It's all great that WVU is winning and everything, you have to feel good for the little guys.

saintsfan912
11-06-2007, 08:51 PM
Did I ever say LSU was the best team in the country? Not that I know of.

Also, I never said anything about them being ranked at the end of the season, I said ranked right now. That answer is NOOOOO.

iowatreat54
11-06-2007, 08:53 PM
Did I ever say LSU was the best team in the country? Not that I know of.

Also, I never said anything about them being ranked at the end of the season, I said ranked right now. That answer is NOOOOO.

WTF does it matter if a team is ranked in the 11th week? So you're saying that the 11th week > all other weeks? I don't understand what you are getting at? If you weren't meaning the final rank, then how is being ranked this week better than being ranked last week? I don't understand what you're trying to prove...

bearsfan_51
11-06-2007, 08:56 PM
But I'm not gonna get in a debate on which conference is better, its pointless. We all have our own opinions and there is no way to tell which conference is better. Bowl records mean nothing because it's usually Big Ten 3 against SEC 5 or something like that.

Yeah...clearly you aren't going to do that...and haven't been doing it for the last two pages.


As to your other point:

Capital One
(Big Ten No. 2 vs. SEC No. 2)

Outback
(Big Ten No. 3 vs. SEC No. 3/4)

Good one though.

kwilk103
11-06-2007, 09:00 PM
Oh, wow, you destroyed MSU. Big fricking deal. Win a big game this year bud against a real opponent other than Western Michigan or Eastern Carolina. It's all great that WVU is winning and everything, you have to feel good for the little guys.

the same msu that beat a ranked auburn and a ranked kentucky; but its the sec so i guess auburn and uk get a pass; usf beat auburn; 2 years ago wvu with a bunch of freshman and sophomores beat the mighty sec champion that was mainly juniors and seniors

i would love to meet an sec team in a bcs bowl again and beat them again

saintsfan912
11-06-2007, 09:05 PM
See, that's where you're wrong.

SEC 2 was definitely NOT Arkansas last year and Tennessee was NOT SEC 3 or 4 last year. I've been trying to find a link to the matchups but can't find them. Anyone find them?

draftguru151
11-06-2007, 09:42 PM
Arkansas went to the SEC championship last year and was 7-1 in the SEC. They were #2. Tennessee finished 2nd in the SEC East but I'm not sure how it works with the East/West, seems like they'd be 5, might be 4 though.

ironman4579
11-06-2007, 10:13 PM
See, that's where you're wrong.

SEC 2 was definitely NOT Arkansas last year and Tennessee was NOT SEC 3 or 4 last year. I've been trying to find a link to the matchups but can't find them. Anyone find them?

Wow, SEC fan and you don't even know who the #2 team in your conference was? You deserved the rep rape.

saintsfan912
11-06-2007, 10:16 PM
If they were 2nd, don't you think they would have been in the Sugar Bowl instead of LSU? After the SEC CG LSU was ahead of Arkansas in the standings.

bearsfan_51
11-06-2007, 10:16 PM
See, that's where you're wrong.

SEC 2 was definitely NOT Arkansas last year and Tennessee was NOT SEC 3 or 4 last year. I've been trying to find a link to the matchups but can't find them. Anyone find them?

http://www.forgottenoh.com/Counties/Coshocton/Pictures/cletus-simpsons.jpg


Dude...I got that **** off of espn.com...stop making a dumbass out of yourself.

You want a link? Here ya go...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?page=bowlprojections10

Arkansas was #3 that year because they sent two teams to the BCS, but the Big Ten sent two teams to the BCS too...so basically just bump every team down one. It's not that complicated.

iowatreat54
11-06-2007, 10:18 PM
If they were 2nd, don't you think they would have been in the Sugar Bowl instead of LSU? After the SEC CG LSU was ahead of Arkansas in the standings.

yea...ummm the SEC Champ goes to the Sugar Bowl...

bearsfan_51
11-06-2007, 10:20 PM
yea...ummm the SEC Champ goes to the Sugar Bowl...
The SEC champ was Florida chief. LSU got there as an at-large.

saintsfan912
11-06-2007, 10:33 PM
Thanks. Usually the SEC champ goes to the Sugar Bowl, all before the new BCS bowl schedule. Well I guess an Iowa fan wouldn't know anything about the BCS.

bearsfan_51
11-06-2007, 10:35 PM
Thanks. Usually the SEC champ goes to the Sugar Bowl, all before the new BCS bowl schedule. Well I guess an Iowa fan wouldn't know anything about the BCS.
You don't know what the **** you're talking about either.

ironman4579
11-06-2007, 10:40 PM
Oh, and for BF51. That 7-2 the Big 12 fan is talking about is pretty shaky. You wanted to know what teams were involved in that 7-2. 3 of the games were the Iowa/Iowa State rivalry, 2 of which were won by Iowa State. So not exactly power houses on either side since 2005, and certainly not a Big 10 power house. One was Iowa/Texas, won by Texas. One of them was this year with Illinois/Missouri, which we already know Missouri won. Two of the games were Ohio State/Texas, one won by Texas when they won the NC, the other won by OSU last year when they went to the NC. One was Minnesota/Texas Tech last year, won by Texas Tech. And one was Nebraska over Michigan the year Michigan was 7-5.

I would point out that the average margin of victory in the Big 12's wins was 6 points, although that was bumped up by ISU's 20 point blowout of Iowa in one of the games. Minus that game it would be 3.6 points. The average margin of victory in the Big 10's win's was 13.5. Not that that really means anything.

saintsfan912
11-06-2007, 10:42 PM
Can we all at least agree on one thing? Aren't we all glad Notre Dame is ******* terrible?

iowatreat54
11-06-2007, 10:46 PM
yea my bad...somehow I forgot Florida...but I do love it when someone can no longer put together a strong argument, so they start attacking the school that you're a fan of for no apparent reason, pretty sweet...

and yea thanks Ironman I was looking for who played who in that big12-big10 record, and yea 3 of the games are us vs. Iowa State which I'm ashamed of, but out of all those games, the only trully representative games are the Texas-OSU 2 and the Missouri-Illinois 1...other than that, sweet, the Big 12 crap can beat the Big 10 crap, very proving of which conference is better

saintsfan912
11-06-2007, 10:48 PM
Nah, actually I'm just tired of making a useless arguement where nothing can be proved. I'm also tired of all the ******* ****** douche bags not even in the discussion giving me negative rep. It hurts so bad, so very bad.

bearsfan_51
11-06-2007, 10:48 PM
but I do love it when someone can no longer put together a strong argument, so they start attacking the school that you're a fan of for no apparent reason, pretty sweet...

Yeah he tried to neg rep me (despite my fortress of no neg-repness) and said something about how the Bears suck. I LOL'ed.

nfrillman
11-06-2007, 10:49 PM
but I would like to see out of those 9 games played against eachother, what teams played eachother? Because say Oklahoma beat Illinois in 2005 (I know they didn't just an example), how does that mean the Big 12 is better when their best team beats our worst?

You ask, and I deliver:
2005
Iowa St 23
#3 Iowa 3

#2 Texas 25
#4 Ohio St 22

#24 Nebraska 32
Michigan 28

2006
#1 Ohio St 24
#2 Texas 7

#16 Iowa 27
Iowa St 17

#13 Texas 26
Iowa 24

Texas Tech 44
Minnesota 41

2007
Missouri 40
Illinois 34

Iowa St 15............one of their two wins
Iowa 13

Looking at those games, it is obvious that these games are evenly matched. No Oklahoma or Texas versus Illinois or Minnesota in there.

just to clarify, were you arguing that the Big 12 deserved those bowl games over the Big 10 or just that the Big 12 is better?

I don't really care who gets those low level bowls, I was saying that bringing up the number of Big 10 teams that are/will be bowl eligible as evidence of how good the conference is is an incredibly poor argument, especially if a little research is done. My main point is that the Big 12 is better than the Big 10.

iowatreat54
11-06-2007, 10:52 PM
OK I really was just wondering if you meant that the low big 10 teams shouldn't go to those bowls...but I think you severely overestimate the Iowa-Iowa State games since 2005...we have been mediocre at best and Iowa State, well, has been Iowa State, but we can look at the rivalry pre-2005, I can be proud of that lol

nfrillman
11-06-2007, 10:52 PM
I would point out that the average margin of victory in the Big 12's wins was 6 points, although that was bumped up by ISU's 20 point blowout of Iowa in one of the games. Minus that game it would be 3.6 points. The average margin of victory in the Big 10's win's was 13.5. Not that that really means anything.

Are you seriously going to make an average margin of victory statement from two games, that is ridiculous. This argument is like saying a team is good because despite being 2-7 because in their wins they win by a good margin. How much sense does that make?

nfrillman
11-06-2007, 10:54 PM
OK I really was just wondering if you meant that the low big 10 teams shouldn't go to those bowls...but I think you severely overestimate the Iowa-Iowa State games since 2005...we have been mediocre at best and Iowa State, well, has been Iowa State, but we can look at the rivalry pre-2005, I can be proud of that lol

Iowa St is terrible though, hard to find an excuse for losing to them, and this thread has exploded today.

ironman4579
11-06-2007, 11:06 PM
Are you seriously going to make an average margin of victory statement from two games, that is ridiculous. This argument is like saying a team is good because despite being 2-7 because in their wins they win by a good margin. How much sense does that make?

Which may have been why I said it didn't mean anything.

TigerBait45
11-07-2007, 01:11 AM
This guy gives us all a bad name.

LSU fans around the world apologize.

Chaucer
11-07-2007, 01:47 AM
For thoughts.
Big 10 vs Big 12 since 1990:
Ohio State: 7-1
Michigan: 4-3
Illi: 3-4
PSU :3-1
Wisconsin: 3-2
Purdue: 2-0
Iowa: 13-11
Indiana: 2-0-1
NW: 3-1
MSU:3-4
Minn: 3-6
46-33-1 58%win

Big10 vs SEC since 1990:
Ohio State: 0-6
Michigan: 6-2
Illi: 0-1
PSU : 6-2
Wisconsin: 2-3
Purdue: 0-2
Iowa: 2-1
Indiana: 6-11
NW: 0-1
MSU: 1-1
Minn: 2-0
25-30 45%

Big10 vs PAC10 since 1990:
Ohio State: 10-3
Michigan: 6-6
Illi: 3-14
PSU : 5-4
Wisconsin: 8-3
Purdue: 4-6
Iowa: 3-7
Indiana: 1-1
NW: 0-5
MSU: 2-4
Minn: 1-2
43-55 44%

Its 2AM so you might want to check the math, but for fun.

Turtlepower
11-07-2007, 01:54 AM
Anyone here with me on instituting a "you must have a winning record in your conference to be eligible for a bowl game" rule? I think it is ridiculous having a horrible non-conference slate and then getting 2 or 3 wins in your conference and being bowl eligible. It makes a mockery of the system.

nfrillman
11-07-2007, 02:15 AM
Anyone here with me on instituting a "you must have a winning record in your conference to be eligible for a bowl game" rule? I think it is ridiculous having a horrible non-conference slate and then getting 2 or 3 wins in your conference and being bowl eligible. It makes a mockery of the system.

Amen brother. That is actually a fantastic idea. Teams would be forced to change their OOC cream-puff style.

nfrillman
11-07-2007, 02:18 AM
For thoughts.
Big 10 vs Big 12 since 1990:
Ohio State: 7-1
Michigan: 4-3
Illi: 3-4
PSU :3-1
Wisconsin: 3-2
Purdue: 2-0
Iowa: 13-11
Indiana: 2-0-1
NW: 3-1
MSU:3-4
Minn: 3-6
46-33-1 58%win

Big10 vs SEC since 1990:
Ohio State: 0-6
Michigan: 6-2
Illi: 0-1
PSU : 6-2
Wisconsin: 2-3
Purdue: 0-2
Iowa: 2-1
Indiana: 6-11
NW: 0-1
MSU: 1-1
Minn: 2-0
25-30 45%

Big10 vs PAC10 since 1990:
Ohio State: 10-3
Michigan: 6-6
Illi: 3-14
PSU : 5-4
Wisconsin: 8-3
Purdue: 4-6
Iowa: 3-7
Indiana: 1-1
NW: 0-5
MSU: 2-4
Minn: 1-2
43-55 44%

Its 2AM so you might want to check the math, but for fun.

Ummmm, yeeeaaaa, do you not see how ridiculous it is to bring up how teams played nearly twenty years ago. People questioned the relevance of the 2005 season when I said the Big 12 is 7-2 against the Big 10 since then. The reason I choose 2005 was because sophmores from that year are now seniors, and a fair share of the team is still in tact from that year.

jballa838
11-07-2007, 11:00 PM
Amen brother. That is actually a fantastic idea. Teams would be forced to change their OOC cream-puff style.
no they wouldnt. they wuold lose to the appalachian states of the world and just worry about their conference.

nfrillman
11-08-2007, 01:15 PM
no they wouldnt. they wuold lose to the appalachian states of the world and just worry about their conference.

Umm, I don't think so since they would still need to win 7 games as well.

draftguru151
11-08-2007, 01:16 PM
Wouldn't that make them schedule easier OOC games then? It really makes no sense what you're saying.

ironman4579
11-08-2007, 01:26 PM
I've recently been thinking of something. Should teams that finish in the top 25 be required to have at least 2-3 teams from last seasons top 25 on their schedule? I'm sure the scheduling for this would be impossible by the way. And I realize that just because a team was in the top 25 one year doesn't mean they'll be any good the next. I guess you could say this would hurt the non BCS conferences, and likely help the BCS conferences as well. But to me, it would prevent teams that play in weak conferences and go undefeated or have on loss, from continually doing the same thing year in and year out. Like if Hawaii finishes in the top 25 this year, they'd have to schedule at least 2 OOC top 25 teams. Like I said, now looking at it, I don't really think it's a great idea, but something to think about I suppose.

nfrillman
11-08-2007, 11:57 PM
Wouldn't that make them schedule easier OOC games then? It really makes no sense what you're saying.

I was meaning that they may schedule more difficult OOC opponents so their resume' would look better if they won. The main point is that a team that schedules 4 cream-puffs still must prove themselves in order to get a bowl, by winning in their conference. I stated earlier the OOC opponents of many Big 10 schools, which are utterly laughable.