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Sportsfan486
11-04-2007, 03:24 PM
All...FREAKING...day...

Just...wow...

I mean.. wow. If this kid stays healthy, he'll be the best running back in the league.. uh.. next year?

296 yards.. against the CHARGERS.

How? HOW?

SeanTaylorRIP
11-04-2007, 03:28 PM
He does lead the league in rushing yards by a lot I'm pretty sure.

EvilMonkey
11-04-2007, 03:28 PM
All...FREAKING...day...

Just...wow...

I mean.. wow. If this kid stays healthy, he'll be the best running back in the league.. uh.. next year?
296 yards.. against the CHARGERS.

How? HOW?

try right now

Ewing
11-04-2007, 03:28 PM
You beat me to it. Peterson is the best running back in the NFL. I know it sounds crazy to give praise like that to a rookie but he's better than LT right now. It's close but if I had to take one it would be AD. What an incredible talent. I was ****ing wrong, dudes. He's far better than Bush.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
11-04-2007, 03:28 PM
Absolutely amazing. A rookie, no less. He might already be the best in the NFL.

Beans
11-04-2007, 03:28 PM
I remember.

yo123
11-04-2007, 03:29 PM
6.5 yards per carry for the year.

Gribble
11-04-2007, 03:30 PM
Just FYI, in case you didn't know already, 296 rushing yards is the all-time single game record.

Ravens1991
11-04-2007, 03:30 PM
I remember how a lot of people on here had Marshawn better then AD, Marshawn is a beast but he is nothing compared to AD.

That is the record right?

Marino13
11-04-2007, 03:30 PM
That performance wasn't right. If Minny can get anything remotely similar to good QB play, watch out

ATLDirtyBirds
11-04-2007, 03:31 PM
Adrian Peterson.

Man or Machine?

TitanHope
11-04-2007, 03:31 PM
He has ROTY locked up before Week 10. Incredible player. Makes you wonder how scary Oklahoma would be this year had AD never entered the draft.

scottyboy
11-04-2007, 03:31 PM
He's no Brian Leonard, but this kid is absolutely amazing.

Moses
11-04-2007, 03:31 PM
He looks like he's still playing in college. Just a man among boys.

draftguru151
11-04-2007, 03:32 PM
I remember Adrian Peterson.

Vikes99ej
11-04-2007, 03:32 PM
Six teams passed on him. That's all I know.

SeanTaylorRIP
11-04-2007, 03:32 PM
He leads the league in rushing by 300+ yards. Minny must keep Chester though for as long as possible because Peterson is injury prone and it's nice if he doesn't get 30 carries every game for the better good of his career longevity.

Green Bay Scat
11-04-2007, 03:33 PM
just imagine if Taylor didnt steal those 60 yards

bearsfan_51
11-04-2007, 03:33 PM
The only consolation as a Bears fan that I have is that runningbacks have short shelf-lives

zCaddyz
11-04-2007, 03:34 PM
wow....if he can do it next year i'll put him in my top 5 rbs

BrownsTown
11-04-2007, 03:34 PM
I don't think he's the best in the league right now, but I think you've gotta think back to all those teams who passed on him, how much they're regretting it now.

Injuries are the only thing that can derail him from bieng a superstar for years to come.

And since this will certainly turn into a "everyone's stupid for passing on him" thread I'd like to preempt that by saying the Browns made the right decision in drafting Thomas.

Vikes99ej
11-04-2007, 03:35 PM
wow....if he can do it next year i'll put him in my top 5 rbs

Seriously?

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
11-04-2007, 03:36 PM
I don't think he's the best in the league right now, but I think you've gotta think back to all those teams who passed on him, how much they're regretting it now.

Injuries are the only thing that can derail him from bieng a superstar for years to come.

And since this will certainly turn into a "everyone's stupid for passing on him" thread I'd like to preempt that by saying the Browns made the right decision in drafting Thomas.

I think the first 4 picks were justified. Everyone else ****** up.

bearsfan_51
11-04-2007, 03:36 PM
wow....if he can do it next year i'll put him in my top 5 rbs

Wow...the official zCaddyz runningback top 5!?!

I'm sure that will mean a lot to him.

Sportsfan486
11-04-2007, 03:37 PM
Oh... the Pack plays them next week?

....

Maybe he'll be tired?

JK17
11-04-2007, 03:37 PM
Congratulations AD. I'm to pissed off right now to actually be amazed by his performance, but hell of a job.

Moses
11-04-2007, 03:38 PM
Why fair catch inside the 10? Dumb.

Gribble
11-04-2007, 03:38 PM
Change the name of the thread to:

Adrian Peterson sets single game rushing record

SuperKevin
11-04-2007, 03:38 PM
I think we can officially stop all talks of Darren McFadden being a better prospect than Adrian peterson. Nobody is better than Adrian peterson.

I'm pretty sure there is officially a homosexuality exemption when wanting to have sex with Adrian peterson now

Green Bay Scat
11-04-2007, 03:39 PM
I think we can officially stop all talks of Darren McFadden being a better prospect than Adrian peterson. Nobody is better than Adrian peterson.

I'm pretty sure there is officially a homosexuality exemption when wanting to have sex with Adrian peterson now

i want his babies

Barbecue Bob
11-04-2007, 03:39 PM
He looks like he's still playing in college. Just a man among boys.

Yep. He hasn't even learned to run properly yet, and still hasn't learned to catch. When he does watch out.

Green Bay Scat
11-04-2007, 03:40 PM
Yep. He hasn't even learned to run properly yet, and still hasn't learned to catch. When he does watch out.

dude you dont **** with peoples running styles, thats like messin with a batters swing or a pitchers mechanics

Vikes99ej
11-04-2007, 03:42 PM
Why fair catch inside the 10? Dumb.

???????????

scottyboy
11-04-2007, 03:42 PM
dude you dont **** with peoples running styles, thats like messin with a batters swing or a pitchers mechanics

yea, especailly when the dude just set the single game rushing record.

BrownsTown
11-04-2007, 03:44 PM
I think he should be the MVP if Tom Brady starts to falter a bit. He's just playing out of his mind. No, that's not right, he's playing out of everyone else's mind.

Barbecue Bob
11-04-2007, 03:46 PM
dude you dont **** with peoples running styles, thats like messin with a batters swing or a pitchers mechanics

Yeah, but you still want him on the field though. He's no good to the Vikings sitting on the sideline with a broken collarbone.

DHVF
11-04-2007, 03:47 PM
Yep. He hasn't even learned to run properly yet, and still hasn't learned to catch. When he does watch out.
Still hasn't learned to catch?! What evidence do you have for this?

Green Bay Scat
11-04-2007, 03:48 PM
Yeah, but you still want him on the field though. He's no good to the Vikings sitting on the sideline with a broken collarbone.

alright i guess the Vikings should ban peterson fron diving in the endzone then

yo123
11-04-2007, 03:49 PM
alright i guess the Vikings should ban peterson fron diving in the endzone then




Great post.

jkpigskin
11-04-2007, 03:49 PM
.................
wow, just wow... this kids special.... but im not going to say that hes the best in the league just yet

Vikes99ej
11-04-2007, 03:56 PM
.................
wow, just wow... this kids special.... but im not going to say that hes the best in the league just yet

I'm not either. I'll just say he's top 5.

Shiver
11-04-2007, 03:57 PM
Not only are the "Eric Dickerson/Adrian Peterson" comparisons of last year justified, they might even be pessimistic. We are all witnessing something special here.

SuperKevin
11-04-2007, 03:58 PM
i haven't watched him play much but would it be safe to assume that 90% of his runs are to the left side behind McKinnie and Hutchinson?

P-L
11-04-2007, 03:58 PM
Adrian Peterson will have a chance to break his own record, Week 17 vs Denver, LOL.

SuperKevin
11-04-2007, 03:58 PM
Not only are the "Eric Dickerson/Adrian Peterson" comparisons of last year justified, they might even be pessimistic. We are all witnessing something special here.

I'm thinking more of Earl Campbell

Flyboy
11-04-2007, 03:58 PM
alright i guess the Vikings should ban peterson fron diving in the endzone then

I laughed at that one. Not gonna lie.

DHVF
11-04-2007, 03:59 PM
I'm not either. I'll just say he's top 5.
I am, simply do to the fact that he is performing at a higher level than any other running back in the league at this current time.

yo123
11-04-2007, 03:59 PM
i haven't watched him play much but would it be safe to assume that 90% of his runs are to the left side behind McKinnie and Hutchinson?



Actually not as much as you would think. We run to the right quite a bit, not sure why, but we do. We still run to the left more though.

Flyboy
11-04-2007, 03:59 PM
i haven't watched him play much but would it be safe to assume that 90% of his runs are to the left side behind McKinnie and Hutchinson?

From what I've seen, yes. They start off left, AD gets to the second level, makes one cut and he's gone.

wiscbadgerfootball
11-04-2007, 04:00 PM
holy ******* **** are ******* kidding me.. kid's a freakin beast, I'm speechless

DHVF
11-04-2007, 04:00 PM
i haven't watched him play much but would it be safe to assume that 90% of his runs are to the left side behind McKinnie and Hutchinson?Nope, surprisingly it wouldn't as we run fairly equally to both sides.

Vikes99ej
11-04-2007, 04:01 PM
Adrian Peterson's rookie year reminds me of Randy Moss' rookie year.

jkpigskin
11-04-2007, 04:03 PM
Nope, surprisingly it wouldn't as we run fairly equally to both sides.

vikings have some real good big men on both sides of the ball.... that left side though is really strong

Boston
11-04-2007, 04:04 PM
He better get as many yards as he can in this week, because next week, he ain't gettin' none.;)

In all honesty though, this kid is amazing. They actually need to invent a new word to describe this kid.

Barbecue Bob
11-04-2007, 04:04 PM
Still hasn't learned to catch?! What evidence do you have for this?

Just look at the stats. He only has 11 catches. That less than over thirty other running backs. Also, lets not crown him king just yet. Remember, Carnell Williams had an outstanding start to his career and injuries have slowed him down. Don't get your HOF tickets just yet. There is still alot of football left for him to play.

SuperKevin
11-04-2007, 04:06 PM
He better get as many yards as he can in this week, because next week, he ain't gettin' none.;)

In all honesty though, this kid is amazing. They actually need to invent a new word to describe this kid.

How about Excamazingtastic?

BrownsTown
11-04-2007, 04:06 PM
How about Excamazingtastic?

How about Sexacrediblorgasmic?

GB12
11-04-2007, 04:07 PM
Just look at the stats. He only has 11 catches. That less than over thirty other running backs. Also, lets not crown him king just yet. Remember, Carnell Williams had an outstanding start to his career and injuries have slowed him down. Don't get your HOF tickets just yet. There is still alot of football left for him to play.
Maybe he only has 11 catches because he can get 300 on the ground. Not to mention his QBs suck. And his start is much better than Cadillac's

neko4
11-04-2007, 04:07 PM
Im actually scared that we might lose next week
I hope T-Jack plays!!!!

SuperKevin
11-04-2007, 04:07 PM
Just look at the stats. He only has 11 catches. That less than over thirty other running backs. Also, lets not crown him king just yet. Remember, Carnell Williams had an outstanding start to his career and injuries have slowed him down. Don't get your HOF tickets just yet. There is still alot of football left for him to play.

He's averaging almost 20 yards a catch too there buddy

Vikes99ej
11-04-2007, 04:07 PM
Just look at the stats. He only has 11 catches. That less than over thirty other running backs. Also, lets not crown him king just yet. Remember, Carnell Williams had an outstanding start to his career and injuries have slowed him down. Don't get your HOF tickets just yet. There is still alot of football left for him to play.

Did that scrub have two 200+ yard rushing games in his first season? Did he break the rushing yard in his first season?

Green Bay Scat
11-04-2007, 04:09 PM
hes porbably gonna pull a travis henry and have 9 kids in 9 different states.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
11-04-2007, 04:11 PM
hes porbably gonna pull a travis henry and have 9 kids in 9 different states.

AD runs around with his wang out, slapping people as he runs by.

Shiver
11-04-2007, 04:15 PM
He better get as many yards as he can in this week, because next week, he ain't gettin' none.;)

In all honesty though, this kid is amazing. They actually need to invent a new word to describe this kid.

Scrumtrilescent?

SuperKevin
11-04-2007, 04:18 PM
Scrumtrilescent?

Kwyjibo???

Philliez01
11-04-2007, 04:19 PM
Scrumtrilescent?

http://norbizness.com/archives/rosethorn.jpg

BroadwayJoe10
11-04-2007, 04:23 PM
Adrian Peterson's rookie year reminds me of Randy Moss' rookie year.

yaa definately. moss caught a td almost every 4 passes or somethin along those lines. I do think that AD's season will be more specal if he keeps it up, do to his surroundings. There's a bunch of rumos of pennington or some other QB that can manage the game going to the vikes next year and I can't possibly imagine how even with better surroundings he could be better. I saw a kid miss out on winning 384 dollars cuase of this game, but he said only winning 50 and losing to a performance like that was ok. THe kid is just..well all those made up words above can explain him. wow

Vikes99ej
11-04-2007, 04:26 PM
This will get no attention from the media, thanks to the Colts-Patriots CockFest. I'm fine with that, though.

giver17
11-04-2007, 04:27 PM
if he maintains this pace, he will crush the single rookie record, and will possibly surpass the single season rushing record, and as a ROOKIE... f*** ROTY, I am thinking more NFL MVP. And if I hear anyone say anything else about how Cadillac williams was good too, I am going to donkey punch them. Peterson has almost rushed for as many yards as Cadillac did in his entire rookie year, and has scored 3 more TD's.... oh and lets not forget that he is less than half way through the season.

Barbecue Bob
11-04-2007, 04:28 PM
Scrumtrilescent?

How come you didn't give him this name last week when he only had 70 yards (on 3.5 ypc) against the Eagles?

JK17
11-04-2007, 04:28 PM
if he maintains this pace, he will crush the single rookie record, and will possibly surpass the single season rushing record, and as a ROOKIE... f*** ROTY, I am thinking more NFL MVP. And if I hear anyone say anything else about how Cadillac williams was good too, I am going to donkey punch them. Peterson has almost rushed for as many yards as Cadillac did in his entire rookie year, and has scored 3 more TD's.... oh and lets not forget that he is less than half way through the season.

There's a QB in New England right now who would have a problem with AD as the MVP....Peterson is playing out of his mind, but you gotta keep in mind that the things he's doing as a Running Back are surpassed by the things Brady is doing as a QB, at least as of right now.

SchizophrenicBatman
11-04-2007, 04:29 PM
I'm thinking more of Earl Campbell

I'm thinking more of Adrian Peterson. At this point he might be headed beyond any comparisons. This is MORE ridiculous than his freshman year of college, and that's saying a lot

SuperKevin
11-04-2007, 04:29 PM
if he maintains this pace, he will crush the single rookie record, and will possibly surpass the single season rushing record, and as a ROOKIE... f*** ROTY, I am thinking more NFL MVP. And if I hear anyone say anything else about how Cadillac williams was good too, I am going to donkey punch them. Peterson has almost rushed for as many yards as Cadillac did in his entire rookie year, and has scored 3 more TD's.... oh and lets not forget that he is less than half way through the season.

Well I doubt he maintains his godly pace he's on right now and gets 2000+ yards. 1800 would still be an amazing season however

SuperKevin
11-04-2007, 04:30 PM
There's a QB in New England right now who would have a problem with AD as the MVP....Peterson is playing out of his mind, but you gotta keep in mind that the things he's doing as a Running Back are surpassed by the things Brady is doing as a QB, at least as of right now.

Yes but the fact brady is throwing to Moss, Welker, and Stallworth should take something away from his accomplishments

JK17
11-04-2007, 04:31 PM
Yes but the fact brady is throwing to Moss, Welker, and Stallworth should take something away from his accomplishments

True, but in terms of MVP, I find a hard time beliving Brady would lose it in favor to AD. That's not taking anything away from AD, but when you look at Brady's teams record, his numbers, and overall level of play....as much as I hate him, its hard to argue against him for MVP.

Smokey Joe
11-04-2007, 04:32 PM
Wow, when you combine a special running back like AD up with a dominate OLine, I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple more 200+ rushing efforts by AD this season. I mean AD has a shot at offensive player of the year in the NFC.

Bills2083
11-04-2007, 04:32 PM
AD is a FREAK of nature. When does everyone think he'll be labeled as the best RB in the NFL?

Not to be overlooked, Marshawn Lynch had a good game today. :)

scottyboy
11-04-2007, 04:33 PM
How come you didn't give him this name last week when he only had 70 yards (on 3.5 ypc) against the Eagles?

http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/Bad_Post.htm

HoopsDemon12
11-04-2007, 04:33 PM
Not only are the "Eric Dickerson/Adrian Peterson" comparisons of last year justified, they might even be pessimistic. We are all witnessing something special here.

Ya i know.. i thought the comparisions were jsut talk.. he may actually do the same if not better... wow

Paranoidmoonduck
11-04-2007, 04:34 PM
Nope, surprisingly it wouldn't as we run fairly equally to both sides.

And, probably even more surprisingly, the entire Vikings offensive squad is blocking very effectively. Of course, it's Peterson that's making those blocks turn into big plays, but I've been incredibly impressed with that Viking run blocking.

PACKmanN
11-04-2007, 04:41 PM
the scary part is teams know that the vikings have no passing game yet AD gets all these yards. Amazing.

yodabear
11-04-2007, 04:51 PM
I think Adrian Peterson is a great player.

falconsrule
11-04-2007, 05:02 PM
Peterson is looking alot like Bo Jackson was in his prime

Green Bay Scat
11-04-2007, 05:10 PM
Peterson is looking alot like Bo Jackson was in his prime

but does AD Know? eh doesnt sound as good as Bo Knows

giver17
11-04-2007, 05:12 PM
There's a QB in New England right now who would have a problem with AD as the MVP....Peterson is playing out of his mind, but you gotta keep in mind that the things he's doing as a Running Back are surpassed by the things Brady is doing as a QB, at least as of right now.

I am not taking anything away from Brady (although I am not a fan of him at all), but I still think what AD is doing is equally as amazing. Brady has been in the league for what - 6 or more years? Also, he has an AMAZING team around him. On the other hand, AD is a ROOKIE. He is on a team that is 3-5. His team has NO passing game/support. With all that being said he is still on pace for well over 2,000 rush yards (and however many reciving yards) and 18+ total TDs... how can you say that is not MVP calibur play? I mean if both players continued to play at the level that they are, I would argue for a split MVP between the two, because on almost any other season either one whould be a lock.

BaLLiN
11-04-2007, 05:27 PM
And people thought that marshawn lynch was going to be the best rookie running back this year.

He just needs to stay healthy and the vikings should keep their FB Richardson because he was amazing too.

Ewing
11-04-2007, 05:27 PM
Not only are the "Eric Dickerson/Adrian Peterson" comparisons of last year justified, they might even be pessimistic. We are all witnessing something special here.

I can do one better. Jim Brown. Yeah, I ****ing said it. That's how good AD looks so far.

JK17
11-04-2007, 05:34 PM
I am not taking anything away from Brady (although I am not a fan of him at all), but I still think what AD is doing is equally as amazing. Brady has been in the league for what - 6 or more years? Also, he has an AMAZING team around him. On the other hand, AD is a ROOKIE. He is on a team that is 3-5. His team has NO passing game/support. With all that being said he is still on pace for well over 2,000 rush yards (and however many reciving yards) and 18+ total TDs... how can you say that is not MVP calibur play? I mean if both players continued to play at the level that they are, I would argue for a split MVP between the two, because on almost any other season either one whould be a lock.

I didn't say AD wasn't MVP caliber play right now, but Brady, at least in my opinion has been way more impressive....if you have to choose between the two as to who you want on your team this year, obviously both warrant attention, but Brady is the guy you take first, I feel. The fact that he's been in the league longer is irrelevant. AD certianly is having an MVP caliber season though, no denying that.

Barbecue Bob
11-04-2007, 05:35 PM
And people thought that marshawn lynch was going to be the best rookie running back this year.

He just needs to stay healthy and the vikings should keep their FB Richardson because he was amazing too.

It's amazing what a running back can do behind a line that has McKinnie, Hutchinson, and Birk along with a great FB like Tony Richardson. Just look at LJ's numbers this year without him.

Vikes99ej
11-04-2007, 05:41 PM
It's amazing what a running back can do behind a line that has McKinnie, Hutchinson, and Birk along with a great FB like Tony Richardson. Just look at LJ's numbers this year without him.

We had Richardson last year, too, Homeslice.

yo123
11-04-2007, 05:45 PM
It's amazing what a running back can do behind a line that has McKinnie, Hutchinson, and Birk along with a great FB like Tony Richardson. Just look at LJ's numbers this year without him.


The fact that the left side of our line consists of Anthony Herrera and Ryan Cook basically cancels out the left side. The line played great today, but have been inconsistent as a whole all year long.

P-L
11-04-2007, 05:50 PM
Adrian Peterson's 64 yard TD was entirely to the right side...

bored of education
11-04-2007, 05:52 PM
He is beastly!

Vikes99ej
11-04-2007, 06:28 PM
Our offensive line is great for running, not so much for passing...

bearfan
11-04-2007, 06:36 PM
Our offensive line is great for running, not so much for passing...

Solution for you guys:
Draft Pat White
Pick Up Mike Vick

who needs to pass the ball?

SuperKevin
11-04-2007, 06:42 PM
Anyone else think that the Vikings could decide to wait until the 2nd or 3rd round to draft a QB seeing how this team is going to be built around peterson and not the passing game? Imagine if the Vikings managed to draft Jake Long to play RT

Vikes99ej
11-04-2007, 06:45 PM
Anyone else think that the Vikings could decide to wait until the 2nd or 3rd round to draft a QB seeing how this team is going to be built around peterson and not the passing game? Imagine if the Vikings managed to draft Jake Long to play RT

If we got Jake Long I would soil my briefs. The more the college football season is progressing, the more I'm in favor of picking someone up like Pennington.

Addict
11-04-2007, 06:48 PM
If we got Jake Long I would soil my briefs. The more the college football season is progressing, the more I'm in favor of picking someone up like Pennington.

Pennington could work, he's not as terrible as they say he is...

TACKLE
11-04-2007, 06:49 PM
We are all witnesses.

SuperKevin
11-04-2007, 06:51 PM
If we got Jake Long I would soil my briefs. The more the college football season is progressing, the more I'm in favor of picking someone up like Pennington.

I agree 100%. You all need a veteran to run this offense.

Vikes99ej
11-04-2007, 06:53 PM
I agree 100%. You all need a veteran to run this offense.

Not just any veteran, a veteran with a decent track record. No more of these guys like Kelly Holcomb, Mike McMahon, and Brad Johnson.

yodabear
11-04-2007, 06:58 PM
Its a kickass offense.

Freddy G
11-04-2007, 06:58 PM
I don't think i have had these kind of feelings for another male......Joe Thomas and his zero sacks allowed has a place in my heart as well though.

Sniper
11-04-2007, 06:59 PM
Solution for you guys:
Draft Pat White
Pick Up Mike Vick

who needs to pass the ball?

That'd be a sick triple option with an occasional pass thrown in there.

Sniper
11-04-2007, 07:00 PM
Congrats to AD by the way. What an animal.

GB12
11-04-2007, 07:01 PM
That'd be a sick triple option with an occasional pass thrown in there.
Or draft McFadden and go with out a QB

Sniper
11-04-2007, 07:01 PM
AD runs around with his wang out, slapping people as he runs by.

That's a sweet facebook group

Sniper
11-04-2007, 07:03 PM
If we got Jake Long I would soil my briefs. The more the college football season is progressing, the more I'm in favor of picking someone up like Pennington.

Jake Long and Adrian Peterson combined would shatter the world record for amazingness in one building. Throw in Mike Hart as AD's backup and it's over.

Smooth Criminal
11-04-2007, 07:05 PM
Huge day for Peterson. He is on pace for a 2000 yard season right now and leads the league by a huge margin.

I don't think he'll get 2000 or the rushing title tho. Rookies tend to ware down before the end of the season. Plus there is no Qb to take any pressure off of him. I see him ending up with about 1600 yards which is still huge for a rookie and will easily get him ROTY.

Congrats to the record. Glad to see Lewis out of the books.

Boston
11-04-2007, 07:08 PM
Or draft McFadden and go with out a QB

Don't they already do that?

bearsfan_51
11-04-2007, 07:10 PM
Not just any veteran, a veteran with a decent track record. No more of these guys like Kelly Holcomb, Mike McMahon, and Brad Johnson.
Brad Johnson won a Superbowl. I'd say his track record was pretty good.

fenikz
11-04-2007, 07:11 PM
I remember AD.

yo123
11-04-2007, 07:33 PM
Brad Johnson won a Superbowl. I'd say his track record was pretty good.


That was when he could throw a pass more than 12 yards downfield.

giver17
11-04-2007, 07:38 PM
I didn't say AD wasn't MVP caliber play right now, but Brady, at least in my opinion has been way more impressive....if you have to choose between the two as to who you want on your team this year, obviously both warrant attention, but Brady is the guy you take first, I feel. The fact that he's been in the league longer is irrelevant. AD certianly is having an MVP caliber season though, no denying that.

but when you say that the fact that AD is a rookie, and Brady has 8 years of experience in this league, is irrelevant, in my opinion, that is crazy. even though AD is breaking record after record, he is only 8 games into his career. he has not even been able to fully get a grasp for the game and league yet, and still, he is able to do that things he does. I feel that that warrents great consideration when looking at who should win the MVP. it is an amazing thing to do what he has done with his experience, and that is something that should make his level of play that much more special and 'valuable'. I am still not trying to take away form Brady's season though (fyi screw the Pats and screw Bill Belichick, that arrogant prick)

GB12
11-04-2007, 07:41 PM
Being a rookie doesn't get you any special treatment for MVP.

T-RICH49
11-04-2007, 07:41 PM
I started him obviously this week.I am SO happy righht now

Ewing
11-04-2007, 07:42 PM
http://adgodlike.ytmnd.com/

I just got done making it. Be warned their is "swearing" and it may ask for your birthdate.

yo123
11-04-2007, 07:43 PM
AD has no chance at MVP. Its Brady's to lose. He should win NFC offensive POY though.

JK17
11-04-2007, 07:47 PM
but when you say that the fact that AD is a rookie, and Brady has 8 years of experience in this league, is irrelevant, in my opinion, that is crazy. even though AD is breaking record after record, he is only 8 games into his career. he has not even been able to fully get a grasp for the game and league yet, and still, he is able to do that things he does. I feel that that warrents great consideration when looking at who should win the MVP. it is an amazing thing to do what he has done with his experience, and that is something that should make his level of play that much more special and 'valuable'. I am still not trying to take away form Brady's season though (fyi screw the Pats and screw Bill Belichick, that arrogant prick)

How is that crazy? So because Adrian Peterson is a rookie, that makes him more valuable this season? That's ridiculous, its not Most Valuable Player with special consideration to experience in the leauge...its Most Valuable Player, period.

Mr. Stiller
11-04-2007, 07:48 PM
I don't think i have had these kind of feelings for another male......Joe Thomas and his zero sacks allowed has a place in my heart as well though.

did you forget the 3 that Thomas gave up opening day?

BrownsTown
11-04-2007, 07:50 PM
did you forget the 3 that Thomas gave up opening day?

You mean the 3 that Charlie Frye waited for? Must have wanted to be hugged really bad or something.

giver17
11-04-2007, 07:56 PM
How is that crazy? So because Adrian Peterson is a rookie, that makes him more valuable this season? That's ridiculous, its not Most Valuable Player with special consideration to experience in the leauge...its Most Valuable Player, period.

I am pretty sure that when all is said and done, MVP will be going to Brady, hands done. but, i am just saying that at years end, if Peterson is able to maintain his current statistical success, then I think he should warrent serious MVP consideration. period.

PoopSandwich
11-04-2007, 08:01 PM
Ya I love Adrian, he was my favorite player going into the draft.

I'll root for him every freakin game he doesnt play against Cleveland.

etk
11-04-2007, 08:07 PM
I turned the game on right before the 46 yarder. I was about to switch back to the Bucs game, but I saw 28 in the backfield so I left it on expecting an instant TD....waddya know? Most exciting player in the league by a wide margin...

Moses
11-04-2007, 08:09 PM
How would somebody on a team like Minnesota win MVP? It just won't happen.

Ewing
11-04-2007, 08:12 PM
How would somebody on a team like Minnesota win MVP? It just won't happen.

Same reason A-Rod won MVP in 2003 despite being on a last place team. Sometimes numbers are too good to overlook because of a team's record. If I ran for 2,200 yards and 35 touchdowns but my team was 8-8 because of a crappy defense, you wouldn't give me MVP? It's MVP, not best player on the best team.

PoopSandwich
11-04-2007, 08:14 PM
Same reason A-Rod won MVP in 2003 despite being on a last place team. Sometimes numbers are too good to overlook because of a team's record. If I ran for 2,200 yards and 35 touchdowns but my team was 8-8 because of a crappy defense, you wouldn't give me MVP? It's MVP, not best player on the best team.

You can also argue that if that player wasn't on the team that they wouldn't have won a game.

So they were the most valuable player to their team in that perspective.

Shiver
11-04-2007, 08:14 PM
Same reason A-Rod won MVP in 2003 despite being on a last place team. Sometimes numbers are too good to overlook because of a team's record. If I ran for 2,200 yards and 35 touchdowns but my team was 8-8 because of a crappy defense, you wouldn't give me MVP? It's MVP, not best player on the best team.

Except that is how it works.

Moses
11-04-2007, 08:15 PM
Same reason A-Rod won MVP in 2003 despite being on a last place team. Sometimes numbers are too good to overlook because of a team's record. If I ran for 2,200 yards and 35 touchdowns but my team was 8-8 because of a crappy defense, you wouldn't give me MVP? It's MVP, not best player on the best team.

When's the last time the MVP was on a non-playoff team? 'Nuff said.

PoopSandwich
11-04-2007, 08:16 PM
When's the last time the MVP was on a non-playoff team? 'Nuff said.

When has a player, ROOKIE, may I add, ran for over 2,000 yards and not got into the playoffs?

soybean
11-04-2007, 08:16 PM
except brady IS the most valuable player. Vikings will probably miss the playoffs and you know what happens when you take AD off the vikings... they still miss the playoffs.

PoopSandwich
11-04-2007, 08:18 PM
except brady IS the most valuable player. Vikings will probably miss the playoffs and you know what happens when you take AD off the vikings... they still miss the playoffs.

Well, do the Vikings make the playoffs with Brady and without Peterson?

I doubt it.

Moses
11-04-2007, 08:19 PM
When has a player, ROOKIE, may I add, ran for over 2,000 yards and not got into the playoffs?

Peterson has like 1,000 yards right now. Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

It DOES NOT matter if he is a rookie. This does not factor into the award at all.

Remember when Jamal Lewis rushed for 2,000+? Was he the MVP? No, and his team was actually good.

Shiver
11-04-2007, 08:20 PM
Brady is going to throw for 55-56 touchdowns on a potentially perfect team. Peterson is great, just not that great.

soybean
11-04-2007, 08:20 PM
Well, do the Vikings make the playoffs with Brady and without Peterson?

I doubt it.

i think they would, but that's a discussion for another time because then we are just debating positions.

JK17
11-04-2007, 08:20 PM
Well, do the Vikings make the playoffs with Brady and without Peterson?

I doubt it.

I'd say they are more likely actually. There biggest problem stems from their inconsistent play at QB. Put Brady in there, who has done well without stellar receivers, and give him a solid RB in Chester Taylor...actually I think its very possible.

Moses
11-04-2007, 08:20 PM
Well, do the Vikings make the playoffs with Brady and without Peterson?

I doubt it.

Are you serious? A franchise QB like Brady is obviously far more valuable than a runningback. Hell, I'll take Tom Brady over Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, Marshall Faulk, whoever.

Geo
11-04-2007, 08:21 PM
Adrian Peterson aka All Day aka Man Child aka Zeus is now officially in serious discussion for the best back in the league. Amazing.

Ewing
11-04-2007, 08:24 PM
When's the last time the MVP was on a non-playoff team? 'Nuff said.

I'm glad to know that you think despite a player's prefromance, even if it breaks records that have stood for YEARS, MVP should be given to a player on one of the best teams. It's that kind of logic that has given players like Miguel Tejada, Rich Gannon, Dirk Nowitzki, Justin Morneau, and possibly Jimmy Rollins trophies over far more deserving players. I'm not saying AD is MVP but to not even consider him because of his team's preformance is ignorance on a level I can't even begin to comprehend. He's one player. He has no control over the defense, playing calling, quarterback's decisions, and numerous other events that decide football games.

Moses
11-04-2007, 08:27 PM
I'm glad to know that you think despite a player's prefromance, even if it breaks records that have stood for YEARS, MVP should be given to a player on one of the best teams. It's that kind of logic that has given players like Miguel Tejada, Rich Gannon, Dirk Nowitzki, Justin Morneau, and possibly Jimmy Rollins trophies over far more deserving players. I'm not saying AD is MVP but to not even consider him because of his team's preformance is ignorance on a level I can't even begin to comprehend. He's one player. He has no control over the defense, playing calling, quarterback's decisions, and numerous other events that decide football games.

LOL. I don't decide who the MVP is. I'm saying that he won't win it. Why? Because history is very clear in this regard. In the NFL, you must be on a playoff team to win the MVP.

Also, if I do remember correctly, Tom Brady is on pace to break quite a few records himself. Oh, and his team is undefeated and just beat the defending Super Bowl champs on the road.

Sniper
11-04-2007, 08:29 PM
It's that kind of logic that has given players like Miguel Tejada, Rich Gannon, Dirk Nowitzki, Justin Morneau, and possibly Jimmy Rollins trophies over far more deserving players.

Whoa whoa whoa there slugger. Watch a Phillies game instead of merely assuming " oh he has Howard and Utley to help him". Rollins is without a shadow of a doubt the MVP....huge spark plug, does all the little things right, plays hard every day etc....

Back on topic, there's no argument. Brady's winning it, end of story

Ewing
11-04-2007, 08:29 PM
Also, if I do remember correctly, Tom Brady is on pace to break quite a few records himself. Oh, and his team is undefeated and just beat the defending Super Bowl champs on the road.

Which is why right now I would say Brady and Peterson should be co-MVP's. The Vikings wouldn't win a game without AD.

Moses
11-04-2007, 08:31 PM
Which is why right now I would say Brady and Peterson should be co-MVP's. The Vikings wouldn't win a game without AD.

I don't really care who YOU think should win the MVP. I'm telling you Peterson won't sniff it unless the Vikings turn their season around.

Hell, would the Patriots win a game without Brady? Colts without Manning? Packers without Favre? There are many players who are indispensable. Peterson has a few big games and people think he's in the same league as Brady, Peyton, and co.? Gimme a break.

PoopSandwich
11-04-2007, 08:31 PM
Are you serious? A franchise QB like Brady is obviously far more valuable than a runningback. Hell, I'll take Tom Brady over Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, Marshall Faulk, whoever.

I personally think Brady is better and is the MVP, I just don't think its insane to think Peterson could win it if he keeps going at the pace hes going.

Moses
11-04-2007, 08:33 PM
I personally think Brady is better and is the MVP, I just don't think its insane to think Peterson could win it if he keeps going at the pace hes going.

If he rushes for 2,000 yards and a bunch of TDs he'll be like Jamal Lewis a few years ago, except his team won't even be in the playoffs. Also, there isn't a guy competing against him named Tom Brady who is about as clearcut as MVPs can be nowadays. Peterson doesn't have a shot in hell of winning the award even if he manages to match his current production.

JK17
11-04-2007, 08:34 PM
Which is why right now I would say Brady and Peterson should be co-MVP's. The Vikings wouldn't win a game without AD.

It doesn't matter if the Vikings wouldn't win a game without AD, its been said numerous times, its Most Valuable Player, not Most Valuable Player on the worst team. Why should Brady be penalized because his team can win without him? Further, how can you assume that the Vikings wouldn't win a game without him, its all speculation, and thats not what the MVP award is based around, its about what you've proven.

There is no doubt AD has been astounding this season, but as of right now, I would say everything Brady has done still trumps AD. Leading a possibly undefeated team as its undisputed leader, on pace to set multiple records, an astounding TD:INT ratio...Peterson is playing great, but its not unprecedented. What Brady is doing is unprecedented. Like was said earlier, Jamal Lewis had a season like this too, he wasn't an MVP either.

Shiver
11-04-2007, 08:36 PM
To put things into perspective: if Tom Brady didn't play for the rest of the season he would still have the best QB seasons of all time. 33 touchdowns to 4 interceptions, 131-passer rating, 73% completion percentage is out of this world great.

princefielder28
11-04-2007, 08:37 PM
To put things into perspective: if Tom Brady didn't play for the rest of the season he would still have one of the best QB seasons of all time.

In terms of TDs and INTs no doubt but he does need to add to those passing yards a bit which shouldn't be a problem.

Ewing
11-04-2007, 08:39 PM
I don't really care who YOU think should win the MVP. I'm telling you Peterson won't sniff it unless the Vikings turn their season around.

Which was the point I was trying to make. Not what will happen but what SHOULD happen.

Moses
11-04-2007, 08:41 PM
Which was the point I was trying to make. Not what will happen but what SHOULD happen.

Then you're changing the whole meaning of the MVP award. Hell, Kobe Bryant should win every NBA MVP because without him, the Lakers wouldn't win a game all season.

Jamal Lewis was equally as impressive as Peterson and didn't win jack. Why should Peterson, especially when Brady is playing at the level he is? He doesn't belong in that class.

princefielder28
11-04-2007, 08:46 PM
Then you're changing the whole meaning of the MVP award. Hell, Kobe Bryant should win every NBA MVP because without him, the Lakers wouldn't win a game all season.

Jamal Lewis was equally as impressive as Peterson and didn't win jack. Why should Peterson, especially when Brady is playing at the level he is? He doesn't belong in that class.

You are absolutely right.......no way should a team as unsuccessful as the Vikings have the MVP

P-L
11-04-2007, 08:50 PM
Peterson won't win it. It doesn't matter if he should win it or not, he's not going to.

Crazy_Chris
11-04-2007, 10:06 PM
If he rushes for 2,000 yards and a bunch of TDs he'll be like Jamal Lewis a few years ago, except his team won't even be in the playoffs. Also, there isn't a guy competing against him named Tom Brady who is about as clearcut as MVPs can be nowadays. Peterson doesn't have a shot in hell of winning the award even if he manages to match his current production.

I wouldn't be quite so quick to assume that the vikings absolutly won't be in the playoffs the odds are severly against us but...

At Green Bay
Oakland
At N.Y. Giants
Detroit
At San Fransisco
Chicago
Washington
At Denver

There isn't a game on there that we can't win i think we will win about 3 more and end up in the 6-7 win range but it's definatly not like we have no chance at the play-offs.


However on the subject of Adrian Peterson winning the MVP there is no chance unless Tom Brady's season makes a dramatic turn around. . . As much as i love Adrian Peterson, Tom Brady's season is just on a whole nother level.

Moses
11-04-2007, 10:09 PM
I wouldn't be quite so quick to assume that the vikings absolutly won't be in the playoffs the odds are severly against us but...

At Green Bay
Oakland
At N.Y. Giants
Detroit
At San Fransisco
Chicago
Washington
At Denver

There isn't a game on there that we can't win i think we will win about 3 more and end up in the 6-7 win range but it's definatly not like we have no chance at the play-offs.


However on the subject of Adrian Peterson winning the MVP there is no chance unless Tom Brady's season makes a dramatic turn around. . . As much as i love Adrian Peterson, Tom Brady's season is just on a whole nother level.

I would say At Green Bay and At New York are going to very difficult. Other than San Francisco and Oakland, are they even favourites in any of those games?

GB12
11-04-2007, 10:11 PM
I would say At Green Bay and At New York are going to very difficult. Other than San Francisco and Oakland, are they even favourites in any of those games?
I'd imagine they will be in Denver.

PACKmanN
11-04-2007, 10:17 PM
why must the 2 best offensive players be in the NFC North from last year draft and now including Hester! Damn you CJ, AD, and DH! quick question, is the NFC North now becoming the best division in the NFC? all of this young talent everywhere.

Moses
11-04-2007, 10:17 PM
I'd imagine they will be in Denver.

Yes, that's a possibility as well. It's always tough playing in Denver though.

Crazy_Chris
11-04-2007, 10:18 PM
Chicago too id imagine by 1 or 2... Green Bay and New york giants will be difficult i didn't mean to make it out as if they won't be difficult. But it's not unimaginable we could pull out the upsets. Other than that we have only 2 road game at San francisco & denver. The rest of our schedule down the stretch are home games. Like i said its unlikely but i think it's a stretch to assume we won't be in the playoffs

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
11-04-2007, 10:22 PM
If Cutler's out for the season, the Vikings, and every other team, will rape us.

Moses
11-04-2007, 10:34 PM
Chicago too id imagine by 1 or 2... Green Bay and New york giants will be difficult i didn't mean to make it out as if they won't be difficult. But it's not unimaginable we could pull out the upsets. Other than that we have only 2 road game at San francisco & denver. The rest of our schedule down the stretch are home games. Like i said its unlikely but i think it's a stretch to assume we won't be in the playoffs

Well let's look at the NFC playoff picture.

NFC East: Cowboys or Giants
NFC North: Packers or Lions
NFC South: Buccaneers, Panthers, or Saints
NFC West: Seahawks or Cardinals

Let's assume the first place team in each division will win it, just for the sake of simplicity.

1. Cowboys
2. Packers
3. Buccaneers
4. Seahawks

That leaves two wild card spots. The Lions and Giants have to be the front runners, both with a 6-2 record and playing great football.

5. Giants
6. Lions

Then there are the Redskins who are 5-3, and the Saints who are 4-4.

7. Redskins
8. Saints

This is the earliest I could put the Vikings, and I think you could argue a few other teams ahead of them still. Face it, the Vikings have a slim to none chance of making the playoffs.

yodabear
11-04-2007, 10:42 PM
RAMS r MAKING THE PLAYOFFS.

Crazy_Chris
11-04-2007, 10:45 PM
When did i not say it wasn't unlikely? lol

All i have stated is that it's still pre-mature to assume that we definatly won't.

LonghornsLegend
11-04-2007, 10:55 PM
He still looks like he's at Oklahoma...He's so much fun to watch because he makes it look easy, if he stays healthy he will break alot of records

Moses
11-04-2007, 11:17 PM
When did i not say it wasn't unlikely? lol

All i have stated is that it's still pre-mature to assume that we definatly won't.

Well barring a miracle, you won't.

Vikes99ej
11-04-2007, 11:32 PM
Chicago too id imagine by 1 or 2... Green Bay and New york giants will be difficult i didn't mean to make it out as if they won't be difficult. But it's not unimaginable we could pull out the upsets. Other than that we have only 2 road game at San francisco & denver. The rest of our schedule down the stretch are home games. Like i said its unlikely but i think it's a stretch to assume we won't be in the playoffs

Chris, we are not going to go to the playoffs.

Nitschke-Hawk
11-05-2007, 12:10 AM
I just remember this one guy when I was at Packers Training Camp this summer. We were out front at the stadium by the statues that everybody sees(Lombardi, Curly Lambeau), the Miller Lite Main Entrance... and this dude is wearing an Adrian Peterson jersey with his wife/girlfriend into the stadium.. assuming she was a Packer fan. Anyway, I was like wow, this guy's got some stones to do this. It's different during a game, you expect opposing team fans wearing the team gear. But this was the middle of camp, I was the only one to notice it outside as it was pretty quiet but I'm sure he heard it when he walked around the stadium. I also thought to myself that's good job by him, getting that jersey way before the season. But I just didn't understand the point of wearing it at that moment. I don't really care, but he can do whatever he wants. Adrian Peterson just made up for that guy's mistake.

He certainly looks like the best RB right now, it's just hard to say if he is. How can his knowledge of what's happening on the field be as good as a veteran All-Pro like LJ or LT even though they don't have his numbers? He's got the best numbers and the best highlights right now, but I don't think that makes him the best. You also have to think that he's in a situation where you just give him the ball all the time. I've seen them play a few games, and it seems like he's not exactly being told to do much outside of carrying the ball (blocking, pre snap reads involving pass plays etc).

He can get all the numbers and highlights he wants and I will enjoy it because this is a player on a rival team that I coveted as a college player and possible draft pick for the Packers, as long as it isn't against the Packers I hope the best for him.

BUT.... if we sucked this year or were average like the majority of the national people and other team's fans thought we would be, maybe I would be upset that we didn't trade up and get him before Minnesota. He could play wel in any scheme.

Another question though... Minnesota Vikings: best run blocking team (and rushing) in the league??? Looks like it.

SuperKevin
11-05-2007, 12:20 AM
Another question though... Minnesota Vikings: best run blocking team (and rushing) in the league??? Looks like it.

Seeing how Chester Taylor also had a decent day I'd have to say it's certain

Geo
11-05-2007, 12:21 AM
If the Vikings aren't the best run-blocking team, they are certainly not far behind.

litlharsh
11-05-2007, 12:26 AM
Seeing how Chester Taylor also had a decent day I'd have to say it's certain

CT is no slouch, the guy is a stud and never goes down. He could be a starter in a lot of places, so don't use his supposed ineptitude to judge our line. He's just not blessed like Black Jesus over here.

Caddy
11-05-2007, 12:29 AM
Why oh why didn't the Buc's just continue to have Michael Pittman start, then draft Peterson this year.

BlindSite
11-05-2007, 12:57 AM
Peterson won't win it. It doesn't matter if he should win it or not, he's not going to.

He's on pace for 2072 yards... 24 yards shy of Dickerson's mark.

His next opponents:

Greenbay 8th Rushing 20th in passing
Oakland 30th Rushing 3rd in passing
Giants 11th Rushing -9th in passing
Detroit 12th Rushing- 30th passing
San Francisco 24th Rushing 14th passing
Chicago 26th Rushing 22nd in passing
Washington 9th Rushing 18th in passing
Denver 32nd Rushing 9th in passing

For comparison San Diego 22nd

4 WORSE

IMO Detroit, Greenbay and Washington all have worse run defenses than their ranking because of the fact that teams throw more on them since its easier than rushing (on that particular D)

Peterson is feasibly within grasp of the rushing record.

Addict
11-05-2007, 04:01 AM
Peterson won't win it. It doesn't matter if he should win it or not, he's not going to.

He'll win it some other time unless injuries bring him down.

Tom Brady, barring a catastrophic meltdown, will take the MVP this year, since:
- he's leading one of the most succesfull teams in the league (I'd say 'best team' but then there'd be discussion)
- stats
- the fact brady hasn't won an MVP yet

LonghornsLegend
11-05-2007, 06:08 AM
Long way away, but if Peterson did somehow approach Dickerson's record, he would be up for the MVP and be right in the hunt

constant cough
11-05-2007, 08:34 AM
That's what I'm saying forget rookie of the year, right now he's the league MVP.

stephenson86
11-05-2007, 09:14 AM
Just look at the stats. He only has 11 catches. That less than over thirty other running backs. Also, lets not crown him king just yet. Remember, Carnell Williams had an outstanding start to his career and injuries have slowed him down. Don't get your HOF tickets just yet. There is still alot of football left for him to play.

carnell williams can be found in the bowl after adrian peterson has taken a ****

Finsfan79
11-05-2007, 09:16 AM
great back and pretty amazing to watch.
I cant help but wondering if he fell one more spot if we wouldnt of got him in miami.

Damn he is a heck of a player, am a bit jealous. Congrats guys, really was surprised when you all took him with taylor there.

PoopSandwich
11-05-2007, 09:23 AM
great back and pretty amazing to watch.
I cant help but wondering if he fell one more spot if we wouldnt of got him in miami.

Damn he is a heck of a player, am a bit jealous. Congrats guys, really was surprised when you all took him with taylor there.

With Ronnie Brown?

I doubt you guys could have forseen a torn ACL.

Vikes99ej
11-05-2007, 09:42 AM
Here's something I found interesting:

Chester Taylor was also the backup the day Jamal Lewis broke the single-day rushing record.

Geo
11-05-2007, 10:04 AM
AD has 1,036 rushing yards in his first 8 games. That's just ridiculous.

The Unseen
11-05-2007, 10:46 AM
AD has 1,036 rushing yards in his first 8 games. That's just ridiculous.

No, that's Maddenesque.

yodabear
11-05-2007, 01:58 PM
Here's something I found interesting:

Chester Taylor was also the backup the day Jamal Lewis broke the single-day rushing record.

We'll trade u Steven Jackson for Chester Taylor, so we can see Leonard go for 299. That ones for scottyboy.

DChess
11-05-2007, 02:09 PM
i would also like to bring attention to another rookie who is leading the league, but on the defensive side. patrick willis is leading the league in tackles at the moment, two pretty impressive rookies

DChess
11-05-2007, 02:11 PM
Or draft McFadden and go with out a QB

or put him at qb, he can throw the ball

P-L
11-05-2007, 02:13 PM
AD has 1,036 rushing yards in his first 8 games. That's just ridiculous.

Eric Dickerson had 925 through 8 games the year that he set the record.

D-Unit
11-05-2007, 02:14 PM
i would also like to bring attention to another rookie who is leading the league, but on the defensive side. patrick willis is leading the league in tackles at the moment, two pretty impressive rookies
David Harris will overlap him in no time.

Moses
11-05-2007, 03:16 PM
Yuck, somebody just created a thread about the Greatest RB of All-Time and mentioned Adrian Peterson. Thankfully, it was locked.

GB12
11-05-2007, 03:19 PM
or put him at qb, he can throw the ball
That's what I was saying.

Geo
11-05-2007, 03:23 PM
Yuck, somebody just created a thread about the Greatest RB of All-Time and mentioned Adrian Peterson. Thankfully, it was locked.
I do think AD is in the discussion of being the best back in the league right now, which is mind-blowing. Imagine, in any professional walk of life, someone being the considered the best at their position only 9 weeks into the job.

Moses
11-05-2007, 03:27 PM
I do think AD is in the discussion of being the best back in the league right now, which is mind-blowing. Imagine, in any professional walk of life, someone being the considered the best at their position only 9 weeks into the job.

To be fair he has been doing this job his entire life...if I was doing accounting since I was 4 I bet I would be pretty good at it by now. :D

Sure, he could be the best back in the league right now but he's played 8 games. Jamal Lewis looked like an all-time great when he went over 2000. LT has been consistently amazing for 6 years or so and now he's looking only above average.

GB12
11-05-2007, 03:34 PM
IMO Detroit, Greenbay and Washington all have worse run defenses than their ranking because of the fact that teams throw more on them since its easier than rushing (on that particular D)
Have you watched any Packer games? We have a very good run defense. If you would have watched Sunday's game you'd see that the Chiefs couldn't get anything on us. We held Larry Johnson to just 53 yards on 19 carries. We are 6th in the league for average with 3.7 and have only given up 100 yards(to a whole team, not just 1 player) only twice. We also have given up just 5 runs of over 15 yards.

duckseason
11-05-2007, 03:53 PM
No disrespect to any of the all-time greats, but Adrian Peterson is the best RB I've ever watched. He'll need to keep up this level of play in order to officially be mentioned alongside the HOF'ers, but if I could choose any RB in the history of the game to play for my team, I wouldn't hesitate in picking Peterson. While watching him at Oklahoma, I never imagined he'd look even better as a pro. But he does. I've never seen a guy with such a perfect combination of size, speed, power, agility, vision, cutting ability, receiving ability, EFFORT.....just everything. He's the best and it doesn't even feel strange to be saying that. It just seems obvious to me right now.

Aftermath
11-05-2007, 04:27 PM
I think we can officially stop all talks of Darren McFadden being a better prospect than Adrian peterson. Nobody is better than Adrian peterson.

I'm pretty sure there is officially a homosexuality exemption when wanting to have sex with Adrian peterson now

AD is cute

sweetness34
11-05-2007, 04:38 PM
He'll break it again this season...If he stays healthy, we could be witnessing history with this kid.

nrk
11-05-2007, 05:05 PM
AD is cute

I saw some hot girl driving a golf cart on campus and she was giving AD a lift to class and I thought to myself, that is one lucky girl.

DChess
11-05-2007, 05:09 PM
That's what I was saying.

i read it wrong, my bad good sir

KILLERSANTA
11-05-2007, 05:12 PM
I may be going pretty far out on a limb. But I don't think he'll be a bust.

Sniper
11-05-2007, 06:20 PM
I may be going pretty far out on a limb. But I don't think he'll be a bust.

I disagree. He's gotten those yards thanks to great playcalling from Brad Childress, and Childress won't be around much longer...






















I'm clearly joking. AD is a stud and Brad Childress is a certified imbecile.

Addict
11-05-2007, 06:29 PM
I disagree. He's gotten those yards thanks to great playcalling from Brad Childress, and Childress won't be around much longer...





















I'm clearly joking. AD is a stud and Brad Childress is a certified imbecile.


http://www.stupid-idiot-club.com/images/stupid_idiot_club.png

DChess
11-05-2007, 06:43 PM
lets not get ahead of ourselves guys, we tend to do this towards players, jump ont he bandwagon quick and build them up so much. given he has absolutley blown up this year, but he could have a cadillac williams rode after this year. im not denying hes a beast but im not ready to give him the crown of greatest nfl player ever

Sniper
11-05-2007, 07:03 PM
http://www.stupid-idiot-club.com/images/stupid_idiot_club.png

Thank you! Thank you so much! I'll be here all week, try the veal!

Addict
11-05-2007, 07:06 PM
lets not get ahead of ourselves guys, we tend to do this towards players, jump ont he bandwagon quick and build them up so much. given he has absolutley blown up this year, but he could have a cadillac williams rode after this year. im not denying hes a beast but im not ready to give him the crown of greatest nfl player ever

I'm not saying he'll be the greatest ever or anything, but he's the most dominant rookie RB ever, that's one thing.

The Legend
11-05-2007, 10:05 PM
to bad he didnt get 4 more yards it would have been so cool
3 TDS , 30 ATPS , 300 YARDS

yodabear
11-06-2007, 09:23 AM
Lets see, how to piss off Vikings fans, ah yes.............









MARSHAWN LYNCH IS BETTER THAN ADRIAN PETERSON!

Geo
11-06-2007, 09:42 AM
Adrian Peterson has never tried to ghost ride the whip with an injury cart post-game. Lynch has him firmly beat in that area.

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/sioncampus/02/16/ghostriding/p1_marshawn.jpg

<3

Geo
11-06-2007, 09:55 AM
Interest bit of statistical analysis, for those who follow Football Outsiders, from Week 9's Quick Reads (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7413392):

Sunday, Adrian Peterson set the NFL rushing record with 296 yards against San Diego. However, Peterson did not have the best running back game we've ever measured with our Football Outsiders advanced stats. In fact, believe it or not, Peterson didn't even have the best game ever for a ROOKIE running back.

Peterson's total of 12.0 DPAR is the best for any game this year, but since 1996 (when our stats begin), six running backs have put up higher DPAR (Defense-adjusted Points Above Replacement) numbers in a single game. And the guy who had the biggest game ever is also the guy who had the second-biggest game this week.

Remember Joseph Addai's big game against Philadelphia last November? Addai gained 171 yards on just 24 carries and two catches for 37 yards. He also scored four touchdowns and was remarkably consistent all night, gaining between 5 and 15 yards on 17 of his 24 carries and converting every single time he got the ball on third down. That combination of greatness and consistency earned Addai 15.9 DPAR, the highest total ever for a running back in one game.

Here are the seven games since 1996 where a running back has earned 12.0 DPAR or more:

1. Joseph Addai in Week 12 of 2006 against Philadelphia: 15.9 DPAR with 171 rushing yards, 37 receiving yards, and four touchdowns.

2. Corey Dillon in Week 15 of 1997 against Tennessee: 15.4 DPAR with 246 rushing yards, 30 receiving yards, and four touchdowns.

3. Priest Holmes in Week 12 of 2002 against Seattle: 15.1 DPAR with 197 rushing yards, 100 receiving yards, and three touchdowns.

4. Marshall Faulk in Week 13 of 1998 against Baltimore: 13.5 DPAR with 192 rushing yards, 75 receiving yards, and two touchdowns.

5. LaDainian Tomlinson in Week 3 of 2005 against the New York Giants: 13.0 DPAR with 192 rushing yards, 28 receiving yards, and four touchdowns including a 26-yard halfback option pass.

6. Edgerrin James in Week 11 of 2004 against Chicago: 12.9 DPAR with 204 rushing yards, 11 receiving yards and surprisingly just one touchdown.

7. Adrian Peterson in Week 9 of 2007 against San Diego: 12.0 DPAR (subject to change) with 296 rushing yards, 19 receiving yards, and three touchdowns.

Why does Peterson's fabulous performance end up just seventh? The biggest reason is that he fumbled the ball away on a 12-yard run in the fourth quarter that would have otherwise put the Vikings in the red zone. Peterson also wasn't quite as consistent as these other backs from carry to carry. Addai, for example, did not have a single carry that lost yardage against the Eagles last year; Peterson had three carries for a loss this week.

giver17
11-06-2007, 03:42 PM
Peterson is playing great, but its not unprecedented. What Brady is doing is unprecedented.


technically, what AD is doing is unprecedented - first rookie to rush for 200 yards twice - has 1036 yards after his first 8 games (which is 41 more yards than the Hall of Fame Eric Dickerson had in his first 8 starts) - and is on pace to record 2000 + yards and 19+ TD's.... I would say that those are pretty amazing statistics. Also, I agree with some of the other guys when they said that it is silly that only playoff teams should be able to produce an MVP. I mean every game opposing defenses are loading 8+ in the box, and he is still making them look like boys playing a man's game. it is rediculous - and in my opinion, just about as impressive as what Brady is doing. Because, lets not forget, that brady has an amazing team around him, and if it were for randy moss, wes welker and stallworth, I highly doubt he would be producing at the level he is. AD is doing it all basically on his own. to me those things scream MVP

Shiver
11-06-2007, 04:09 PM
Interest bit of statistical analysis, for those who follow Football Outsiders, from Week 9's Quick Reads (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7413392):

After this year's Pro Football Prospectus I don't put too much into what they say anymore.

etk
11-06-2007, 06:23 PM
I think AD has the best TD celebration on top of his success. Every time I see him flip the ball to the side with his arms churning, I get shivers. It screams dominance.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
11-06-2007, 07:13 PM
I think he's the fastest RB in the league. Looking at some of these, it looks like the defense is jogging and he's going lightspeed, it's insane.

Sniper
11-06-2007, 11:34 PM
Haha I remember someone saying on this site "Adrian Peterson runs like a little girl" in their sig..I'm amused by that statement

Moses
11-06-2007, 11:39 PM
It's hard not to like Adrian Peterson. He's an amazing talent on the field, but beyond that, he seems like a great kid. It's especially remarkable when you look at all the hardships he's had to endure. I think he could really move some sneakers if a company decides to make him a major spokesperson.

sodar21
11-06-2007, 11:50 PM
Interest bit of statistical analysis, for those who follow Football Outsiders, from Week 9's Quick Reads (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7413392):

All the last part on that tells me is that Addai has a better offensive line and is not facing any pressure from opposing defensive lines.

Crazy_Chris
11-07-2007, 01:43 AM
An Interesting fact i learned today while watching NFL Replay on NFL network. After Luis Castillo went down(early in the third Quater) the chargers gave up 311 rushing yards.

stephenson86
11-07-2007, 08:52 AM
I think AD has the best TD celebration on top of his success. Every time I see him flip the ball to the side with his arms churning, I get shivers. It screams dominance.

man crush anyone?

yodabear
11-07-2007, 09:28 AM
I wanna create a facebook group named I wanna have Adrian Peterson's babies and see how many people sign up.

Crazy_Chris
11-10-2007, 07:53 PM
I posted this in Vikings Discussion but thought i should post it here too... Eric Dickerson Speaks about Adrian Peterson and the Single season record.

Eric Dickerson has owned the National Football League's single-season rushing record for 23 years and says he's not ready to give it up just yet.

- http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601079&sid=amAFjO3i4fOU&refer=home

GB12
11-10-2007, 07:55 PM
No one wants their records broken. Most just won't admit it.

Crazy_Chris
11-10-2007, 08:02 PM
Yea its actually refreshing to hear him say that instead of lying.

619
11-10-2007, 08:04 PM
kinda interesting since the two are often compared to each other

PACKmanN
11-11-2007, 10:30 AM
so i was right he got 114 yards on the left side, 109 on the right and 89 in the middle vs. the Chargers.

619
11-11-2007, 11:03 AM
so i was right he got 114 yards on the left side, 109 on the right and 89 in the middle vs. the Chargers.

wow thats a complete running game right there

steelersfan43
11-11-2007, 02:27 PM
Ooo he just went down, ouch.

AlexDown
11-11-2007, 02:57 PM
Don't know if this has been posted yet but......

Nov 6 ESPN.com reports Minnesota Vikings RB Adrian Peterson earned a one-time, $2.45 million bonus when he reached 701 yards this season. Peterson can add $2.5 million to his 2010 salary if he rushes for more then 1,000 yards in two of his first three seasons. If he rushes for 1,300 yards he adds another $1 million to his 2011 salary, which is set to begin at $3.94 million. If he passes 1,300 yards twice he would add $3 million to the $3.94 million total. If Peterson can rush for 2,000 yards or 20 touchdowns he would add $1 million to his 2011 salary. Peterson is also eligible for a $250,000 bonus if he is rookie of the year, MVP or Super Bowl MVP. That could possibly allow Peterson to earn $40.5 million through the life of his five-year contract.

Boston
11-11-2007, 02:58 PM
I don't even want to hear what he would have done had he not been injured. He was being shut down by AD standards.

GB12
11-11-2007, 03:07 PM
I don't even want to hear what he would have done had he not been injured. He was being shut down by AD standards.
Yeah, I was actually upset when he went down because I knew everyone would point to that as a reason. We shut him down, he averaged only 4 yards down from his season average of 6.8 or whatever it was. He went down in the end of the third so had he stayed in the whole game he wouldn't have gotten more than 8 or so carries the rest of the way with them down 27. Even if he wasn't injured he'd be held under 100.

P-L
11-11-2007, 03:12 PM
You know you're good when you average 4.1 yards per carry and you are "shut down."

Vikes99ej
11-11-2007, 03:12 PM
I don't even want to hear what he would have done had he not been injured. He was being shut down by AD standards.

You don't even want to see what he would have done had he not been injured!!!

GB12
11-11-2007, 03:13 PM
You know you're good when you average 4.1 yards per carry and you are "shut down."
Haha, that is true.

djp
11-11-2007, 05:38 PM
Yeah, I was actually upset when he went down because I knew everyone would point to that as a reason. We shut him down, he averaged only 4 yards down from his season average of 6.8 or whatever it was. He went down in the end of the third so had he stayed in the whole game he wouldn't have gotten more than 8 or so carries the rest of the way with them down 27. Even if he wasn't injured he'd be held under 100.

You're forgetting Peterson's potential to take it the distance any time.

Babylon
11-11-2007, 06:11 PM
I think running backs durability is always a major concern in a back going high in the draft, what is the word on the injury?

Moses
11-11-2007, 07:04 PM
I think running backs durability is always a major concern in a back going high in the draft, what is the word on the injury?

Right now they're saying it's a right knee sprain but he's going in for an MRI tommorow.

soybean
11-12-2007, 01:44 AM
I don't know if this was mentioned already but it'll be pretty ridiculous if people use this to back up the "injury" excuse because that hit would have floored any runningback.

umphrey
11-12-2007, 12:10 PM
You're forgetting Peterson's potential to take it the distance any time.

When Peterson got hurt, the Vikings were getting killed so badly it was close to the point where you start wondering why he's still playing.

Sure, he could of busted off a long run, but it looked like both teams were giving 75% and it would have been a garbage time TD.

HoopsDemon12
11-12-2007, 12:15 PM
You know you're good when you average 4.1 yards per carry and you are "shut down."

Ya for most backs that is a good game... scary


But anyways i hope this unjury isnt serious.. this would be a terrible thing to happen

GB12
11-12-2007, 03:07 PM
I don't know if this was mentioned already but it'll be pretty ridiculous if people use this to back up the "injury" excuse because that hit would have floored any runningback.
It was a perfectly clean hit though. Anyway I don't think it was that serious, I expect him to miss only a week at the most.

Bills2083
11-15-2007, 09:26 PM
Peterson gives his record setting uniform to HOF.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/11/15/peterson.jersey.ap/index.html

Peterson makes Hall donation

Vikes rookie RB gives jersey from record-setting day

Posted: Thursday November 15, 2007 6:51PM; Updated: Thursday November 15, 2007 6:51PM

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EDEN PRAIRIE, Minn. (AP)

-- Adrian Peterson (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/8261) handed in his uniform Thursday.

No, no, no. Minnesota's record-setting rookie running back hasn't quite given up on his promising career, considering a knee injury that will keep him off the field at least for this week. Peterson, rather, had a present for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

He donated the purple No. 28 jersey and white pants he wore earlier this month while rushing for an NFL-record 296 yards for the Vikings in a victory over the San Diego Chargers (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/chargers).

The uniform has been guarded by the team's equipment staff since the game on Nov. 4. When Peterson said it was never washed, Joe Horrigan, a representative from the Hall of Fame, feigned disgust as he held the jersey next to him. Horrigan was headed back to Canton, Ohio, where the shrine to Peterson's accomplishment was scheduled to be on display starting Friday.

"The magnitude of what Adrian did on that day is really amazing, and you think about the fact that he is a young rookie and what that must mean for the future," Horrigan said.

Peterson has never been to Canton himself, but he plans to visit soon with his family.

"You just look for the future and expect bigger things to come and envision maybe one day, God's will, that I will be in the Hall of Fame itself," Peterson said.

The seventh overall draft pick out of Oklahoma had 1,036 yards rushing in the first half of the season before tearing the lateral collateral ligament in his right knee last week against the Green Bay Packers (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/packers). That caused Peterson to fall off pace to break Eric Dickerson's rookie record of 1,808 yards in 1983.

He sighed, when the talk turned to the time he's spending in the training room.

"Like all day, literally," Peterson said.

He refused, however, to express regret that the injury will keep his season statistics from soaring as high as they would have if he didn't get hurt.
"It's not going to change, so no reason to hold your head down and pout about it," Peterson said.

While the Vikings (3-6) have not declared a timetable for his return, they've promised him back this season despite their essential elimination from playoff contention. There's no rush, though, to come back too soon for the sake of records.

"Just being smart about it," Peterson said.

In return for his uniform, Horrigan gave Peterson a black hat and gray shirt bearing the Hall's insignia. Before answering questions from the media about this honor, Peterson proudly set the hat on the podium in front of him. It looked like a get-well-soon gift, given his current status.

But Peterson didn't need to be cheered up. He also learned Thursday that he currently leads his position in fan voting for the Pro Bowl. He's sixth overall behind Brett Favre (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/1025), Peyton Manning (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/4256), Tom Brady (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/5228), Randy Moss (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/4262) and Tony Romo (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/6624).

With the same kid-in-a-candy-store expression, Peterson eagerly entertained the "dream-come-true" possibility of getting picked to play in football's all-star game. The rosters, determined equally by votes of fans, players and coaches, will be revealed Dec. 18.

Peterson hesitated for a moment, joking about the potential responsibility for a Pro Bowl running back.

"I might be out a lot of money if that happens," he said, smiling. "I'm pretty sure the o-linemen or some of those guys would like to tag along, too."

Copyright 2007 Associated Press (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/interactive_legal.html#AP). All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

soybean
12-09-2007, 09:38 PM
he's human!

nah but seriously, do you think marshawn has a CHANCE for ROY or does AD have it locked up even if he doesn't play the rest of the way?

what if buff makes the playoffs?

litlharsh
12-09-2007, 10:15 PM
The niners had 8 in the box the whole game and blitzed corners every time he was in. No chance.

Average OT LB
12-09-2007, 10:22 PM
he's human!

nah but seriously, do you think marshawn has a CHANCE for ROY or does AD have it locked up even if he doesn't play the rest of the way?

what if buff makes the playoffs?

no chance... unless lynch goes nuts and breaks records like AD did..the stats across the board are hard to ignore

SuperMcGee
12-09-2007, 10:49 PM
he's human!

nah but seriously, do you think marshawn has a CHANCE for ROY or does AD have it locked up even if he doesn't play the rest of the way?

what if buff makes the playoffs?

AD has it under seal

If Buffalo made the playoffs, that most likely means that Trent Edwards would finish with an 8-1 record as a starter and there'd be no guarantee that Lynch would be seen as the best rookie on his team

fenikz
12-09-2007, 11:49 PM
I have no clue why teams would pay any FA RB a lot of money now, for as long as i have been watching football rookie RB's always come in and do very good, there is the occasional bust but most are good

intresting fact look how young the top 10 ypc RBs are

1. AD (22)
2. B. Jacobs (25)
3. R. Brown (25)
4. S. Young (24)
5. M. Barber (24)
6. C. Brown (26)
7. D. Williams (24)
8. R. Grant (24)
9. D. Ward (27)
9. C. Taylor (28)
9. J. Fargas (27)

BlindSite
12-10-2007, 01:23 AM
Its insane that DeAngelo Williams isn't starting, absolutely mind boggling.

fenikz
12-10-2007, 01:43 AM
Its insane that DeAngelo Williams isn't starting, absolutely mind boggling.

it is very pretty stupid, do you think fox gets fired this year?

Scotty D
12-10-2007, 10:38 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v736/deliriumtrigger21/1.gif

thefaint287
12-10-2007, 01:21 PM
he's such a smooth runner. but yeah he got owned on that last post. lol.

marks01234
12-11-2007, 11:37 AM
I have no clue why teams would pay any FA RB a lot of money now, for as long as i have been watching football rookie RB's always come in and do very good, there is the occasional bust but most are good

intresting fact look how young the top 10 ypc RBs are

1. AD (22)
2. B. Jacobs (25)
3. R. Brown (25)
4. S. Young (24)
5. M. Barber (24)
6. C. Brown (26)
7. D. Williams (24)
8. R. Grant (24)
9. D. Ward (27)
9. C. Taylor (28)
9. J. Fargas (27)

I've been saying this for years and I'm glad you posted the data to back it up.

I actually believe the Chargers would be smart to try to resign Michael Turner this offseason and cut ties with LT. LT still would have very good value and historically speaking he won't be able to sustain this level of play for much longer. Turner is already familiar with the system and by all accounts a top notch back.

Addict
12-11-2007, 11:52 AM
I've been saying this for years and I'm glad you posted the data to back it up.

I actually believe the Chargers would be smart to try to resign Michael Turner this offseason and cut ties with LT. LT still would have very good value and historically speaking he won't be able to sustain this level of play for much longer. Turner is already familiar with the system and by all accounts a top notch back.

go home

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JK17
12-11-2007, 01:28 PM
I've been saying this for years and I'm glad you posted the data to back it up.

I actually believe the Chargers would be smart to try to resign Michael Turner this offseason and cut ties with LT. LT still would have very good value and historically speaking he won't be able to sustain this level of play for much longer. Turner is already familiar with the system and by all accounts a top notch back.

Turner's not a top notch back yet, he's a commodity who I think will succeed, but it still unproven. Getting rid of LaDainian Tomlinson, future hall of famer, who is still dominant at his position, for the unproven Turner would be the quickest way to dismantle this team.

Damix
12-11-2007, 01:36 PM
Turner's not a top notch back yet, he's a commodity who I think will succeed, but it still unproven. Getting rid of LaDainian Tomlinson, future hall of famer, who is still dominant at his position, for the unproven Turner would be the quickest way to dismantle this team.


Other then hiring Turner as your coach...oh...

soybean
12-11-2007, 01:39 PM
I'm all for trading stars because of the value they hold. Think of the WRs core you can build by trading him. But they can't/won't/shouldn't do it because the fans in San Diego will turn on the chargers so quick.