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Ravens1991
11-04-2007, 07:03 PM
I am looking for 4 guys and a person who is willing to judge. The weights will be...

155
170
185
205
unlimited(you could have Bob Sapp for all I care)

There will be 2 fighters for each weight per team. The draft order will be random. Please put a team name.


1.Ravens1991-Baltimore skull bashers
2.CCBG-Brazilian bulldogs
3.GBPackers-new jersey beatdown
4.Rob S-Curitiba Stars

draft order
1.GBPackers
2.CCBG
3.Rob S
4.Ravens1991


judge
UKfan
Nerv
Fenikz

Round 1
1.GBPackers- MW Anderson Silva
2.CCBG-Fedor Emeliananko HW
3.Rob S-George St.Pierre WW
4.Ravens1991-Rampage Jackson LHW

Round 2
1.Ravens1991-Dan Henderson LHW
2.Rob S-BJ Penn LW
3.CCBG-Paulo Filho MW
4.GBPackers-

Round 3
1.GBPackers-
2.CCBG-Wanderlie Silva LHW
3.Rob S-Big Nog HW
4.Ravens1991-Rich Franklin MW

Round 4
1.Ravens1991-Matt Lindland MW
2.Rob S-Shogun LHW
3.CCBG-Josh Barnett HW
4.GBPackers-

Round 5
1.GBPackers-
2.CCBG-Matt Hughes WW
3.Rob S-Takanori Gomi LW
4.Ravens1991-Randy Couture HW

Round 6
1.Ravens1991-Gilbert Melendez LW
2.Rob S-Jon Fitch WW
3.CCBG-JZ Calvancanti LW
4.GBPackers-

Round 7
1.GBPackers-
2.CCBG-Thierry Sokoudjou LHW
3.Rob S-Robbie Lawler MW
4.Ravens1991-Josh Kosheck WW

Round 8
1.Ravens1991-Karo Paryisan WW
2.Rob S-Ricardo Arona LHW
3.CCBG-Nick Diaz WW
4.GBPackers-

round 9
1.GBPackers-
2.CCBG-
3.Rob S-Tim Sylvia HW
4.Ravens1991-Andrei Arvolski HW

round 10
1.Ravens1991-
2.Rob S-
3.CCBG-
4.GBPackers-

UKfan
11-04-2007, 07:25 PM
I'd love to judge this

ccB
11-04-2007, 08:50 PM
I'll do it, hope it doesnt die though.

ccB
11-04-2007, 08:54 PM
http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/231695/2/istockphoto_231695_bulldog_logo.jpg

TEAM BRAZILIAN BULLDOGS.

gbpackers0065
11-05-2007, 08:48 AM
New Jersey Beatdown
http://i24.tinypic.com/awf72x.jpg
If there is a unlimited weight division I am picking Butterbean.

Rob S
11-05-2007, 12:20 PM
I am in so long as there is no crazy time limit.......come up with a name later.

Ravens1991
11-05-2007, 06:14 PM
would anybody care if we just go with 4 people?

gbpackers0065
11-05-2007, 08:14 PM
i dont care
better competition level

Rob S
11-05-2007, 08:55 PM
thats fine with me....

Ravens1991
11-05-2007, 09:24 PM
k Rob we need a name, how bout we start the draft Wedsday 3 EST?

Rob S
11-05-2007, 10:45 PM
Fine I will be the Curitiba Stars

Nerv
11-06-2007, 02:09 AM
I would like to judge this as well. I think my MMA knowledge is respectable enough to help judge.

Rob S
11-06-2007, 08:05 AM
just letting u know in advance that i have class 3-4:30 so if I am OTC thats when I will make my pick.

Ravens1991
11-06-2007, 01:34 PM
I will make the order 2night.

Ravens1991
11-06-2007, 01:36 PM
I would like to judge this as well. I think my MMA knowledge is respectable enough to help judge.

you are in, you and UK can talk it over to make the decision or if we get another judge you can do voting.


How would everybody feel if we have it set up like this.

155 A fights 155 B, 155 A is clearly the favorite and would KO 155 B, team A gets 5 points, a team can get 5 points by SUB,KO,TKO.

4 points for a unanimous
and 3 for a split.

any thoughts,suggestions or questions?

Ravens1991
11-06-2007, 08:29 PM
draft order...


1.GBPackers
2.CCBG
3.Rob S
4.Ravens1991

fenikz
11-07-2007, 12:31 PM
i'll help judge this if you need another

Ravens1991
11-07-2007, 02:09 PM
your in...

Ravens1991
11-07-2007, 02:10 PM
GB is up I his time ends at 4:30. I say we go hour and a half unless you all wanna change it.

Rob S
11-07-2007, 04:17 PM
GB is up I his time ends at 4:30. I say we go hour and a half unless you all wanna change it.

i say no limit 1st 2 rounds because it can kill your draft

ccB
11-07-2007, 04:19 PM
i say no limit 1st 2 rounds because it can kill your draft

Agreed, unless someone has an absurd amount of time to pick and doesn't.

Ravens1991
11-07-2007, 04:20 PM
good idea since there isnt a lot of people that is cool.

Rob S
11-07-2007, 08:20 PM
also, i have unlimited text so if u want a text when ur on the clock i can do that.

gbpackers0065
11-07-2007, 08:46 PM
MW Anderson Silva
http://theufcresults.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/anderson_champ.jpg

Ravens1991
11-07-2007, 08:59 PM
CCBG is up.

Rob S
11-07-2007, 09:32 PM
I talked to CCB, he is taking fedor. I have a paper to write so i am doing my pick now. If my next pick comes up, I will be on AIM but invisible, so IM me anyway.

Georges St. Pierre

http://mydobber.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/Georges%20St%20Pierre.jpg

ccB
11-07-2007, 11:01 PM
Yeah my bad for taking so long but as Rob said, I take...


http://i6.tinypic.com/23hn72p.jpg

FEDOR!

Ravens1991
11-08-2007, 01:51 PM
I take

Rampage and Dan Henderson

http://www.seatwave.com/FileStore/SEASON/IMAGE/ufc-75-live-from-london_001174_MainPicture.jpg

Rob S
11-08-2007, 03:25 PM
BJ Penn......will rip apart all the LW out there imo.

http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/pictures/0/349.jpg

Ravens1991
11-08-2007, 03:26 PM
CCBG is up

ccB
11-08-2007, 06:21 PM
I'll take MW Paulo Filho

Rob S
11-08-2007, 06:38 PM
I'll take MW Paulo Filho
great choice, it was between him and BJ for me.

Ravens1991
11-08-2007, 06:46 PM
GBPackers is up!

Rob S
11-09-2007, 09:11 AM
man........these usually fly through the early rounds and fade late when people's knowledge becomes spotty......lets get this thing moving

Ravens1991
11-09-2007, 01:58 PM
I say give GBPackers until 5 o'clock today.

ccB
11-09-2007, 02:17 PM
I hope it doesn't kill the draft.

Ravens1991
11-09-2007, 02:19 PM
I dont think it will, if worst comes to worst we can just keep skipping him,I will be on everybody shooting PMs.

Ravens1991
11-09-2007, 02:55 PM
he is on so hopefully he picks soon.

ccB
11-09-2007, 04:17 PM
http://www.freefightingillustrated.com/WANDERLEIS22AC.jpg

LHW Wanderlei Silva

Ravens1991
11-09-2007, 04:22 PM
Rob is up.

Rob S
11-09-2007, 06:42 PM
big nog.....

Ravens1991
11-09-2007, 06:48 PM
I take Rich Franklin

http://www.damagewear.com/images/franklin%20poster3.jpg

and Matt Lindland

http://mattlindland.tripod.com/Images/FAMILY.GIF


I got the best pairs of MW and LHWs IMO

ccB
11-09-2007, 08:39 PM
I disagree, Henderson is an elite MW but not as great of a LHW. I also think Rich Franklin was a reach, you would have been better off fighting Hendo at MW and selectingsomeone else instead of Franklin.

Rob S
11-09-2007, 09:46 PM
Mauricio Shogun....still has the talent to be best 205 in the world.

Ravens1991
11-09-2007, 09:51 PM
I disagree, Henderson is an elite MW but not as great of a LHW. I also think Rich Franklin was a reach, you would have been better off fighting Hendo at MW and selectingsomeone else instead of Franklin.

Hendo is top 3 LHW now, and I wasnt sure were to put him so I got him for versatility. going by rankings, at MW it is Anderson 1, Filo 2, Hendo 3, Franklin 4 and The Law 5.

Ravens1991
11-09-2007, 09:52 PM
CCBG is up, since GB hasnt picked we can skip him until he picks so CCBG can make 2 picks.

ccB
11-09-2007, 11:28 PM
http://www.boutreviewusa.com/RingSide/Images/100/6b.jpg

HW Josh Barnett

I dont think we should skip GB, give him til the morning if he dont pick by then I'll pick again.

HW- Fedor Emelianenko/ Josh Barnett
LHW- Wanderlei Silva
MW- Paulo Filho

Ravens1991
11-09-2007, 11:35 PM
K CCBG you can pick whenever you want.

ccB
11-10-2007, 01:10 PM
http://www.grapplemonkey.com/wp-content/2006/08/hughesmullet.jpg

WW Matt Hughes

Ravens1991
11-10-2007, 01:23 PM
look at that mullet. HAHA


Rob is up

fenikz
11-10-2007, 01:35 PM
look at that mullet. HAHA

With NASCAR in Phoenix this weekend I have been seeing mullets everywhere

Rob S
11-10-2007, 01:48 PM
Takanori Gomi

Ravens1991
11-10-2007, 01:49 PM
Nascar is evil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Non
Aathletic
Sport
Centered
Around
Rednecks

Ravens1991
11-10-2007, 01:52 PM
http://www.ufcmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/Image/2007/may-june/randy_couture.jpg

The Natural.

If for whatever reason people thought he was off-limits due to his whole contract situation I will change the pick.

Rob S
11-10-2007, 01:53 PM
NASCAR may be a pathetic excuse for a sport, but nobody can deny its popularity anymore. It is #2 right now behind the NFL.......and that saddens me

Ravens1991
11-10-2007, 01:54 PM
http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/Gilbert_Melendez_profile2.JPG


Gilbert Melendez LW

Rob S
11-10-2007, 01:54 PM
2 picks ravens

Ravens1991
11-10-2007, 01:55 PM
I got em in. you are up Rob.

fenikz
11-10-2007, 01:56 PM
Budweiser the official smell of NASCAR

Ravens1991
11-10-2007, 01:58 PM
Budweiser the official smell of NASCAR

John Deere is the official car of nascar fans.

Rob S
11-10-2007, 01:58 PM
jon fitch.....love this guy. love karo too, but i think fitch has to be considered better right now.

ccB
11-10-2007, 02:00 PM
http://k-1sport.de/gallery/fighters/1093b.jpg

LW JZ Calvancanti

One of my personal favorites at the moment, a guy I think is #2 LW in the world. I would love to see him and Gilbert fight for the #1 spot.

ccB
11-10-2007, 02:01 PM
So what are we doing about GB?

Rob S
11-10-2007, 02:03 PM
i guess cut him out........his team is going to blow now regardless even if he does make all the picks

Ravens1991
11-10-2007, 02:05 PM
Rob you can pick now, GB missed a couple of picks, unless someone wants to step in for him.

Ravens1991
11-10-2007, 02:05 PM
I mean CCBG can pick now then rob.

ccB
11-10-2007, 02:05 PM
Rob you can pick now, GB missed a couple of picks, unless someone wants to step in for him.

I am the one who is up if we are skipping him. I say we just continue to skip him and make his team up out of the leftovers at the end.

Rob S
11-10-2007, 02:06 PM
..................................made pick too early

ccB
11-10-2007, 02:07 PM
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f217/shomanart/ThierrySokoudjou.jpg

LHW Thierry Sokoudjou

Probably has the most potential of anyone in MMA.

Ravens1991
11-10-2007, 02:07 PM
yep GBPackers is skipped.

CCBG was actually up now.

Ravens1991
11-10-2007, 02:08 PM
is everybody gonna be around we can finish this up this afternoon.

Rob S
11-10-2007, 02:09 PM
Robbie lawler.......would love to see the UFC grab him......he could make some noise.


I freaking hate Sokodjou, but it was a good pick. I can still never get myself to take him over Arona or Nog tho haha.....I guess I will have to give Soko the benefit of the doubt if he gets another big win

Rob S
11-10-2007, 02:10 PM
is everybody gonna be around we can finish this up this afternoon.


I am leaving to go to the cotto fight in like 10

Ravens1991
11-10-2007, 02:11 PM
Josh Kosheck

http://www.fighting-mma.com/images/josh-koscheck.jpg

Karo Paryisan

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1e/KaroParisyan.jpg/200px-KaroParisyan.jpg

Ravens1991
11-10-2007, 02:11 PM
I am leaving to go to the cotto fight in like 10

gotcha well we can get a lot done before u leave.

Rob S
11-10-2007, 02:12 PM
Ricardo Arona......I think he tears it up with UFC rules and in a cage

Ravens1991
11-10-2007, 02:15 PM
yea Arona is spooky with the UFC rules.

The thing with Sokojduo is yes he did destroy Arona and Nog but before that he lost to Glover Texiera by TKO in under 2 minutes, but I think he has great potential.

Ravens1991
11-10-2007, 02:15 PM
Rob you could send a list to Fenikz or someone and then we could have this thing judged tonight.

Rob S
11-10-2007, 02:16 PM
alright.....

ccB
11-10-2007, 02:17 PM
http://ufctakedown.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/nick-diaz-finger.jpg

Nick Diaz

Thinking about the other pick.

Ravens1991
11-10-2007, 02:18 PM
Diaz at 155 or 170?

Rob S
11-10-2007, 02:20 PM
CCBG doesnt need HW so I take Tim Sylvia......I hate the man, but he is the best left clearly

Rob S
11-10-2007, 02:21 PM
1 more round.....lets go i need to be out by 330 latest

Ravens1991
11-10-2007, 02:27 PM
since no else needs a HW I will pick.


http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/9274/arlovski0091er4.jpg

AA

Ravens1991
11-10-2007, 02:28 PM
Yo Rob since I only need a LW and you got both LW you can PM me with who u want after my picks.

Rob S
11-10-2007, 02:31 PM
sent......see you guys later

ccB
11-10-2007, 03:21 PM
Shinya Aoki

Ravens1991
11-10-2007, 03:35 PM
I take Sean Sherk

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/3/32/200px-IMG_2093.jpg


LW-Gilbert Melendez,Sean Sherk
WW-Josh Kosheck,Karo Parysian
MW-Rich Franklin,Matt Lindland
LHW-Dan Henderson,Rampage Jackson
HW-Randy Couture,Andrei Arvolski

Ravens1991
11-10-2007, 03:53 PM
Rob takes

Yoshihiro Akiyama

gbpackers0065
11-10-2007, 08:13 PM
O God, I got some picks to make up:
WW Matt Serra
http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/Serra2.JPG
HW Mark Hunt
http://www.graciemag.com/data/images/news/categories/cat_146/HUNT_01.jpg
LHW Forrest Griffin
http://www.ufcmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/Image/forrest-griffin.jpg
MW Yushi Okami
http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/yushinokami.jpg
HW Brock Lesnar
http://www.fansofk1.com/uploads/articles/1042365256_photo11b.jpg
WW Jake Shields
http://static.flickr.com/61/194540604_1f5ae1b8eb.jpg
LHW Keith Jardine
http://blog.gamblerspalace.com/gp/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/jardine2.jpg

ccB
11-10-2007, 11:10 PM
Ill take Mayhem Miller

ccB
11-10-2007, 11:12 PM
HW- Fedor Emelianenko/ Josh Barnett
LHW- Wanderlei Silva/ Thierry Sokoudjou
MW- Paulo Filho/ Mayhem Miller
WW- Matt Hughes/ Shinya Aoki
LW- JZ Calvancanti/ Nick Diaz (dissapointing!)

Ravens1991
11-11-2007, 07:13 AM
wow that sucks 4 u about Diaz.


everybody post their final teams so we can get this judged soon.

Rob S
11-11-2007, 10:27 AM
HW: Big Nog, Tim Sylvia
LHW: Shogun Rua, Ricardo Arona
MW: Robbie Lawler, Yoshihiro Akiyama (the Kang conquerer)
WW: Georges St.Pierre, Jon Fitch
LW: BJ Penn, Takanori Gomi

gbpackers0065
11-11-2007, 03:18 PM
I realized I didn't pick my lightweights so I'll put em in my final roster:
LW: Vitor Ribeiro, Joe Stevenson
WW: Matt Serra, Jake Shields
MW: Anderson Silva, Yushin Okami
LHW: Forrest Griffin, Keith Jardine
HW: Brock Lesnar, Mark Hunt

Rob S
11-12-2007, 12:12 PM
i think we can start judging now.

fenikz
11-12-2007, 12:45 PM
Here is how I judged it, i ranked all of the classes 1-8 and each place got a point, 1 - 1 point, 2 - 2 points, 3 - 3points and so on. So the team with the lowest total points at the end wins

here are the results


4th Place: gbpackers0065

HW Mark Hunt 7
HW Brock Lesnar 8
LHW Forrest Griffin 7
LHW Keith Jardine 8
MW Anderson Silva 1
MW Yoshihiro Akiyama 8
WW Matt Serra 3
WW Jake Shields 8
LW Vitor Ribeiro 5
LW Joe Stevenson 8

Total: 63



3rd Place: Charm City Byrdgang

HW Fedor Emelianenko 1
HW Josh Barnett 3
LHW Wanderlei Silva 3
LHW Thierry Sokoudjou 5
MW Paulo Filho 2
MW Mayhem Miller 7
WW Matt Hughes 2
WW Shinya Aoki 7
LW Nick Diaz 6
LW JZ Calvancanti 7

Total: 43



2nd Place: Rob S

HW Big Nog 4
HW Tim Sylvia 5
LHW Shogun Rua 4
LHW Ricardo Arona 6
MW Robbie Lawler 5
MW Yushin Okami 6
WW Georges St.Pierre 1
WW Jon Fitch 4
LW BJ Penn 1
LW Takanori Gomi 3

Total: 39



1st Place: Ravens1991

HW Randy Couture 2
HW Andrei Arvolski 6
LHW Dan Henderson 2
LHW Rampage Jackson 1
MW Matt Lindland 3
MW Rich Franklin 4
WW Josh Kosheck 6
WW Karo Parysian 5
LW Sean Sherk 4
LW Gilbert Melendez 2

Total: 35

Ravens1991
11-12-2007, 01:34 PM
great ranking way Fenikz, if Nerv and UK do the same way we can add the combined scores up then the lowest one wins.

Nerv
11-12-2007, 03:23 PM
Working on my grading now, sorry had a busy weekend! Awwww and no one took 'The Janitor' at LHW, a damned shame!

Nerv
11-12-2007, 03:54 PM
4th Place: gbpackers0065

HW Mark Hunt 6
HW Brock Lesnar 8
LHW Forrest Griffin 4
LHW Keith Jardine 3
MW Anderson Silva 1
MW Yoshihiro Akiyama 7
WW Matt Serra 5
WW Jake Shields 8
LW Vitor Ribeiro 7
LW Joe Stevenson 8

Total: 57



3rd Place: Rob S

HW Big Nog 3
HW Tim Sylvia 5
LHW Shogun Rua 6
LHW Ricardo Arona 8
MW Robbie Lawler 4
MW Yushin Okami 6
WW Georges St.Pierre 1
WW Jon Fitch 6
LW BJ Penn 2
LW Takanori Gomi 3

Total: 44



2nd Place: Charm City Byrdgang

HW Fedor Emelianenko 1
HW Josh Barnett 4
LHW Wanderlei Silva 5
LHW Thierry Sokoudjou 7
MW Paulo Filho 2
MW Mayhem Miller 8
WW Matt Hughes 2
WW Shinya Aoki 4
LW Nick Diaz 5
LW JZ Calvancanti 4

Total = 42



1st Place: Ravens1991

HW Randy Couture 2
HW Andrei Arvolski 7
LHW Dan Henderson 2
LHW Rampage Jackson 1
MW Matt Lindland 3
MW Rich Franklin 5
WW Josh Kosheck 7
WW Karo Parysian 3
LW Sean Sherk 6
LW Gilbert Melendez 1

Total: 37

Nerv
11-12-2007, 03:55 PM
Some people may not agree with my LHW rankings but as things have been playing out and from what Ive seen as of late this is how Im thinking things go.

Rob S
11-12-2007, 03:56 PM
4th Place: gbpackers0065

HW Mark Hunt 6
HW Brock Lesnar 8
LHW Forrest Griffin 4
LHW Keith Jardine 3
MW Anderson Silva 1
MW Yoshihiro Akiyama 7
WW Matt Serra 5
WW Jake Shields 8
LW Vitor Ribeiro 7
LW Joe Stevenson 8

Total: 57



3rd Place: Rob S

HW Big Nog 3
HW Tim Sylvia 5
LHW Shogun Rua 6
LHW Ricardo Arona 8
MW Robbie Lawler 4
MW Yushin Okami 6
WW Georges St.Pierre 1
WW Jon Fitch 6
LW BJ Penn 2
LW Takanori Gomi 3

Total: 44



2nd Place: Charm City Byrdgang

HW Fedor Emelianenko 1
HW Josh Barnett 4
LHW Wanderlei Silva 5
LHW Thierry Sokoudjou 7
MW Paulo Filho 2
MW Mayhem Miller 8
WW Matt Hughes 2
WW Shinya Aoki 4
LW Nick Diaz 5
LW JZ Calvancanti 4

Total = 42



1st Place: Ravens1991

HW Randy Couture 2
HW Andrei Arvolski 7
LHW Dan Henderson 2
LHW Rampage Jackson 1
MW Matt Lindland 3
MW Rich Franklin 5
WW Josh Kosheck 7
WW Karo Parysian 3
LW Sean Sherk 6
LW Gilbert Melendez 1

Total: 37

I dont get how Fitch and especially Shogun are so low, but whatever.

Nerv
11-12-2007, 04:02 PM
Shogun hasnt looked great at all since he came back from his arm injury. Then he got dominated in his latest fight. Shogun really really needs to show me something in his next few fights.

I love Jon Fitch but WW is a stacked weight class. Potentially I could see Fitch taking out Serra but I have to give Matt some respect as current champion. I think Aoki has too good JJ for Fitch, since Fitch's game is take it to the mat I see him getting subbed in that fight. Fitch also hasnt fought or beat any of the other top WW with the exception of his split decision win over Diego who wasnt even drafted in this. Fitch is a real good talent but he still has some evolving in his game that needs to happen before im ready to call him top 5 in the world.

Ravens1991
11-12-2007, 04:10 PM
Mark Hunt over AA? That is surprising, all AA would need is 1 takedown, and I am a big Mark Hunt fan.

Nerv
11-12-2007, 04:12 PM
Mark Hunt over AA? That is surprising, all AA would need is 1 takedown, and I am a big Mark Hunt fan.

AA isnt that great on the ground and his takedowns arent all that impressive either, Hunt is bigger and way more athletic, I see him stuffing AA's takedowns and getting back to his feet if he does go down.

Rob S
11-12-2007, 04:17 PM
Shogun hasnt looked great at all since he came back from his arm injury. Then he got dominated in his latest fight. Shogun really really needs to show me something in his next few fights.

I love Jon Fitch but WW is a stacked weight class. Potentially I could see Fitch taking out Serra but I have to give Matt some respect as current champion. I think Aoki has too good JJ for Fitch, since Fitch's game is take it to the mat I see him getting subbed in that fight. Fitch also hasnt fought or beat any of the other top WW with the exception of his split decision win over Diego who wasnt even drafted in this. Fitch is a real good talent but he still has some evolving in his game that needs to happen before im ready to call him top 5 in the world.

Fitch I can see, but nobody has the resume of Shogun at LHW. And while he has not looked the same fighter,m the fact still remains that he still stopped 2 of 4 opponents and dominated the clinch and takedown game against a judo master and the underrated Nakamura. Yeah Forest beat him, but every fighter can have a bad night. He certainly deserves to be at least top 4 based on his resume and I cant see putting him under Silva (and i freaking love Wandy), Forest (despite the win), and Jardine. Just because Forest beat Shogun doesnt mean he gets ranked above him. Especially when Forrest has not even looked that great outside of his fight with Shogun.

Rob S
11-12-2007, 04:18 PM
nerv has a love affair with CCB thats all haha.....j/k

Nerv
11-12-2007, 04:22 PM
Especially when Forrest has not even looked that great outside of his fight with Shogun.

And Shogun has not even looked that great outside of his fight with Forrest in which he got handled & submitted in. LHW is a mess right now anyways, all the top guys have beaten/been beat by all the other top guys. Maybe Shogun is a little low, him at 5 & Wandy at 6 could be better but doesnt really make much of a difference. I need to see something out of these Chute Boxe guys because lately they havent been so impressive.

Rob S
11-12-2007, 04:25 PM
And Shogun has not even looked that great outside of his fight with Forrest in which he got handled & submitted in. LHW is a mess right now anyways, all the top guys have beaten/been beat by all the other top guys. Maybe Shogun is a little low, him at 5 & Wandy at 6 could be better but doesnt really make much of a difference. I need to see something out of these Chute Boxe guys because lately they havent been so impressive.

yeah but i think you are way overlooking Shogun's past when he destroyed fighters of a quality that Forest has not even seen outside of Shogun himself. yet again, I think Shogun is entitled to have a bad night, but u have ur opinion and thats cool.

gbpackers0065
11-12-2007, 04:37 PM
lol thats what i get for missing my picks

Ravens1991
11-12-2007, 07:15 PM
Nerv another question, Diaz ahead of Sherk? Sherk dominated him H2H and Diaz didnt look impressive at all the other night.

Rob S
11-12-2007, 09:44 PM
Nerv another question, Diaz ahead of Sherk? Sherk dominated him H2H and Diaz didnt look impressive at all the other night.

yeah.......only possible reason is steroids i would guess?

Nerv
11-13-2007, 12:18 AM
Nerv another question, Diaz ahead of Sherk? Sherk dominated him H2H and Diaz didnt look impressive at all the other night.

I havent seen his recent fight but I heard it was bad. Ya I just put roided up and unable to fight Sherk down the list because he is suspended and all.

UKfan
11-14-2007, 07:11 AM
4th Place: GBpackers0065
LW: Vitor Ribeiro 5, Joe Stevenson 6
WW: Matt Serra 7, Jake Shields 4
MW: Anderson Silva 1, Yushin Okami 5
LHW: Forrest Griffin 5, Keith Jardine 8
HW: Brock Lesnar 8, Mark Hunt 6
Total: 55

3rd Place: Charm City Byrdgang

HW Fedor Emelianenko 1, Josh Barnett 4
LHW Wanderlei Silva 6, Thierry Sokoudjou 7
MW Paulo Filho 2, Mayhem Miller 8
WW Matt Hughes 2, Shinya Aoki 8
LW Nick Diaz 7, JZ Calvancanti 8
Total: 53


2nd Place: Rob S

HW: Big Nog 3, Tim Sylvia 6
LHW: Shogun Rua 2, Ricardo Arona 4
MW: Robbie Lawler 6, Yoshihiro Akiyama (the Kang conquerer) 7
WW: Georges St.Pierre 1, Jon Fitch 3
LW: BJ Penn 1, Takanori Gomi 4
Total: 37


1st Place: Ravens1991
HW Randy Couture 2, HW Andrei Arvolski 7
LHW Dan Henderson 3, Rampage Jackson 1
MW Matt Lindland 4, Rich Franklin 3
WW Josh Kosheck 5, Karo Parysian 6
LW Sean Sherk 2, Gilbert Melendez 3
Total: 34

I tried not to play favourites and pick the fighters in order purely of talent. I'm sure there will be some disagreements since MMA is such a subjective sport but that's how I see it, very difficult to rank these guys.

Rob S
11-14-2007, 09:14 AM
congrats ravens

Ravens1991
11-14-2007, 10:38 AM
thank you we should do this again in a little bit when the rankings change.

Nerv
11-14-2007, 02:19 PM
Im just wondering why Im the only one to have ranked JZ Calcancanti over Vitor Ribeiro after JZ destroyed him in less than a minute about a month and a half ago.

fenikz
11-14-2007, 02:29 PM
Im just wondering why Im the only one to have ranked JZ Calcancanti over Vitor Ribeiro after JZ destroyed him in less than a minute about a month and a half ago.

Would you ranked Griffin over Shogun or Serra over GSP?

There are plenty of upsets in MMA, I picked based on overall talent level

UKfan
11-14-2007, 02:32 PM
Would you ranked Griffin over Shogun or Serra over GSP?

There are plenty of upsets in MMA, I picked based on overall talent level

Beat me to it, MMAth is such a flawed concept.

Nerv
11-14-2007, 03:21 PM
MMA math is saying fighter a will beat fighter c because fighter a beat fighter b who beat fighter c. In this case fighter a whooped the crap out of fighter b.

JZ physically dominated Shaolin, it wasnt a wild punch like Serra vs GSP. He literally threw Vitor to the ground without using a takedown, just pushed him over. Then he beat the hell out of him with strikes & went on to win via arm bar in a 2nd fight later that night. JZ is the real deal folks, top 5 LW.

ccB
11-14-2007, 03:25 PM
MMA math is saying fighter a will beat fighter c because fighter a beat fighter b who beat fighter c. In this case fighter a whooped the crap out of fighter b.

JZ physically dominated Shaolin, it wasnt a wild punch like Serra vs GSP. He literally threw Vitor to the ground without using a takedown, just pushed him over. Then he beat the hell out of him with strikes & went on to win via arm bar in a 2nd fight later that night. JZ is the real deal folks, top 5 LW.

JZ gets no respect, he is the most physically gifted of all the LW's. He gets no respect because people have been sleeping on Heroesssssssssss. He flat out dominated Shaolin.

UKfan
11-14-2007, 03:42 PM
MMA math is saying fighter a will beat fighter c because fighter a beat fighter b who beat fighter c. In this case fighter a whooped the crap out of fighter b.

JZ physically dominated Shaolin, it wasnt a wild punch like Serra vs GSP. He literally threw Vitor to the ground without using a takedown, just pushed him over. Then he beat the hell out of him with strikes & went on to win via arm bar in a 2nd fight later that night. JZ is the real deal folks, top 5 LW.

Anyway with regards to JZ, yes he beat Ribeiro, and in dominating fashion, but he hasn't got the body of work of some of the other guys, like Soko he needs to fight more high level competition.

Not sure why I mentioned MMath, had a brainfart there.

Nerv
11-14-2007, 07:33 PM
JZ has fought a lot of real tough guys.

ccB
11-14-2007, 07:46 PM
JZ has fought a lot of real tough guys.

Not to mention he trains with a very tough camp. He has arguably fought tougher opponents than Gilbert Melendez.

Nerv
11-14-2007, 07:47 PM
Not to mention he trains with a very tough camp. He has arguably fought tougher opponents than Gilbert Melendez.

Ya, aint no slouches over at ATT

gbpackers0065
11-14-2007, 08:10 PM
I'm glad you ranked Jake Shields where you did fenikz, I'm really high on him recently.