Eagles 2008 Offseason (+ Draft) Thread

[DragonFireKai]

yeah, but do you want his babies???

Have you seen how much a uterus costs on the black market? Plus the surgical costs? I couldn't afford his kids.

[eaglesalltheway]

Don't forget Booker. He is definitely a finesse guy too.

I was just going with starters, but he will see significant PT, and he definitely is finesse. Kris Wilson and Brent Celek are pretty balanced at TE, and so is Bucky, and Moats and Schoebel are also finesse. Our only real power skill player is Hunt. Baskett is somewhat balanced between power and finesse, and Greg Lewis is finesse. A few of those guys may not make the team, but a good majority of the skill position players are finesse. But that makes sense when you consider that the Eagles run the West Coast Offense.

[bsaza2358]

You forgot Buckhalter, but I'm not certain that Buck will be on the Eagles in 2008-2009.

[eaglesalltheway]

and so is Bucky, .

There he is, I had him as balanced as well as Wilson and Celek.

[bsaza2358]

My bad. Still, I'm not sure that Buck will be on the team next season.

[eaglesalltheway]

Neither am I. I tried to get all of the skill players that have the best shot at making the team.

[bsaza2358]

Not a bad list. Well done.

[Go_Eagles77]

Whether Buck makes the team or not, I'll always have a lot of respect for him for coming back from those injuries and playing at a pretty high level. No one expected that. I just don't see him staying because the eagles usually like to cut ties with players on the wrong side of 30, aside from superstars of course, and Buck is approaching that.

[eaglesalltheway]

Whether Buck makes the team or not, I'll always have a lot of respect for him for coming back from those injuries and playing at a pretty high level. No one expected that. I just don't see him staying because the eagles usually like to cut ties with players on the wrong side of 30, aside from superstars of course, and Buck is approaching that.

I agree with all of your comments about Bucky, and he certainly has earned his spot on this team over the years. Its a shame though, he is in a tough spot again.

[eaglesfan_45]

1st- Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech- Finally the #1 reciever the offense needs
1st- Chase Coffman TE Missouri- A legit target for McNabb and a solid replacement for LJ Smith.
2nd- Jeremy Perry OG Oregon State- A good all around guard who would play RG when Andrews moves to LT
3rd- Lovon Ponder SS Miami- Not the heir apparent to Dawkins but he will do nicely until the Eagles get one.

[Sniper]

1st- Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech- Finally the #1 reciever the offense needs
1st- Chase Coffman TE Missouri- A legit target for McNabb and a solid replacement for LJ Smith.
2nd- Jeremy Perry OG Oregon State- A good all around guard who would play RG when Andrews moves to LT
3rd- Lovon Ponder SS Miami- Not the heir apparent to Dawkins but he will do nicely until the Eagles get one.

Mock.....drafts....are..............dumb.......... ..................Mock.....drafts.....1.....year.. ...before.....are.....even......dumber.....STOP... ...WITH.....THE.....MOCK.....DRAFTS......

[eaglesfan_45]

Mock.....drafts....are..............dumb.......... ..................Mock.....drafts.....1.....year.. ...before.....are.....even......dumber.....STOP... ...WITH.....THE.....MOCK.....DRAFTS......

OK I get it geez :mad:

[eaglesalltheway]

I know you're bored, but there has to be something better to do with your free time than mock drafts. Call some buddies over and hang out. Even if you have nothing to do, you will find something or at least talk about sh*t for a while. Either way it is better than putting out 35,761,001 mock drafts

[eaglesfan_45]

I know you're bored, but there has to be something better to do with your free time than mock drafts. Call some buddies over and hang out. Even if you have nothing to do, you will find something or at least talk about sh*t for a while. Either way it is better than putting out 35,761,001 mock drafts

Nope nothing better to do. If you notice, most of these drafts occur at night b/c I am not allowed out at night and calling people late is rude. After my HW is done there is basically 3-4 hours of free time w/ nothing to do. (I'm 16)

But on a topic relevant to the Thread.

The Eagles IMO have had a very nice offseason and If they can stay healthy they can contend for Championship. They got 2 1st round players with 2nd round picks. Eagles have 2 1st in next years draft. The main goal of the offseason was to get playmakers and you can consider the goal accomplished. I expect the defense to be amazing, not only because they have immense potential but because this could be Dawkins last year. I think all the players will be playing for him much like the Steelers did for Jerome Bettis.

However one thing to remember is that if things go badly, you can expect major changes.

[eaglesfan_45]

Andy Reid should have his personel posistion taken away. He is causing his own downfall. He takes guys like Brian Smith when guys who would fit better, be a better value and make an impact are available. He needs to realize that a team needs skill posistion players as well. The draft is a good one mainly because of the selection of DeSean Jackson and Trevor Laws. Other than those two picks the Eagles get an D for rounds 3-7.

[cunningham06]

Andy Reid should have his personel posistion taken away. He is causing his own downfall. He takes guys like Brian Smith when guys who would fit better, be a better value and make an impact are available. He needs to realize that a team needs skill posistion players as well. The draft is a good one mainly because of the selection of DeSean Jackson and Trevor Laws. Other than those two picks the Eagles get an D for rounds 3-7.

I still really don't like that pick, but maybe he will be a surprise, I mean after all, don't forget that Trent Cole wasn't exactly a superstar coming out of college, but the Eagles took a chance on him in the 5th and he was an absolute steal. That being said however, we are at a logjam at DE, and the situation that Cole came into does not exist for Bryan Smith. He is buried in the DE rotation, so his chances of seeing the field are quite small. We took him way too early and we could have traded up a few picks and gotten Reggie Smith there! So while I don't like the pick, I'm sure Reid did his homework on the guy and liked what he saw, but DE is not a need in the third round for us.

[DragonFireKai]

1st- Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech- Finally the #1 reciever the offense needs
1st- Chase Coffman TE Missouri- A legit target for McNabb and a solid replacement for LJ Smith.
2nd- Jeremy Perry OG Oregon State- A good all around guard who would play RG when Andrews moves to LT
3rd- Lovon Ponder SS Miami- Not the heir apparent to Dawkins but he will do nicely until the Eagles get one.

Chase Coffman isn't going to be a first round pick. No Missourri TE out of that offense will. They aren't actually tight ends.

[Sniper]

I still really don't like that pick, but maybe he will be a surprise, I mean after all, don't forget that Trent Cole wasn't exactly a superstar coming out of college, but the Eagles took a chance on him in the 5th and he was an absolute steal. That being said however, we are at a logjam at DE, and the situation that Cole came into does not exist for Bryan Smith. He is buried in the DE rotation, so his chances of seeing the field are quite small. We took him way too early and we could have traded up a few picks and gotten Reggie Smith there! So while I don't like the pick, I'm sure Reid did his homework on the guy and liked what he saw, but DE is not a need in the third round for us.

Cole also wasn't grossly undersized, and still went two rounds later than Smith did. Smith would have been a good project if we ran a 3-4, but other than that, it's a weird pick.

[eaglesalltheway]

Cole also wasn't grossly undersized, and still went two rounds later than Smith did. Smith would have been a good project if we ran a 3-4, but other than that, it's a weird pick.

Those are both points I would have brought up. Sure he was a little undersized, but when Cole entered the NFL, he was at least over 250. If I remember correctly, he was something like 258 or 265 or something like that. Still light, but nowhere near the 240ish that Smith is.

[eaglesfan_45]

Those are both points I would have brought up. Sure he was a little undersized, but when Cole entered the NFL, he was at least over 250. If I remember correctly, he was something like 258 or 265 or something like that. Still light, but nowhere near the 240ish that Smith is.

Smith is 230ish he is an extremely undersized DE. he has to gain at least 20 lbs.

Cole was 240ish when he came in and he has gained 20-30 lbs.

[Go_Eagles77]

Actually Smith was listed at 230 but he's already in the 245-250 range.

[eaglesalltheway]

Thats good, as long he is is still able to do the things the Eagles think he can do.

[eaglesfan_45]

Actually Smith was listed at 230 but he's already in the 245-250 range.

Where is this listed? Eagles Website?

Eagles website says he weighs 231 lbs.

Also, I wouldn't be suprised if Smith suddenly was "injured" and placed on IR similarly to GoCong in his rookie year.

[cunningham06]

Where is this listed? Eagles Website?

Eagles website says he weighs 231 lbs.

Also, I wouldn't be suprised if Smith suddenly was "injured" and placed on IR similarly to GoCong in his rookie year.

I agree, unless we cut both McDougle and Howard. We are going to cut McDougle I'm willing to bet the house on that, but Howard is an interesting case. Howard has a decent sized contract (around 3 million), and he would just add to our already pretty sizeable dead money figure. Trent Cole, Victor Abiamiri, Juqua Parker, Chris Clemons, Darren Howard. 5 seems like the magic # of DE spots, so if Howard is gone, I expect to Bryan makes the team, if Howard stays, I see IR as very likely.

[bhaarat316]

If it is true that we are going to use some 3-4 looks i think Bryan will stay him and Gocong should make good olb in the 3-4. IF they have the pass rushing ability standing up

[Go_Eagles77]

Where is this listed? Eagles Website?

Eagles website says he weighs 231 lbs.

That was what he was at the combine or college or something, I heard from someone I forget if it was him or one of the coaches but he is in that 245-250 range now.

[cunningham06]

If it is true that we are going to use some 3-4 looks i think Bryan will stay him and Gocong should make good olb in the 3-4. IF they have the pass rushing ability standing up

That's a valid point, that would probably be the ideal spot for Bryan. The problem is we only have one player with 3-4 DE experience and that is Trevor Laws. If you don't have the D-Line for a 3-4 you cannot run it consistently. I don't like Patterson as a 3-4 DE so if we do run 3-4 this season, I expect it will be sparingly.

[bhaarat316]

some could mean like 1 or 2 times per game or sometimes not even. we don't know what they mean by that anyways.
Yeah Laws would be an Ideal fit for 3-4 DE. I don't think Patterson has the motor to be a 3-4 DE.

[eaglesfan_45]

Who are some guys you're going to watch-out for, as an Eagles draft pick?

I'm watching George Selvie DE/OLB South Florida b/c he could be "weapon x" on the Eagles. Jim Johnson would be able to use alot more 3-4 and when the Eagles are playing in a 4-3 he could line up at either DE spot or any LB spot causing major mismatches.

I am watching Percy Harvin WR Florida and Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri on offense b/c they are serious playmakers. With Maclin or Harvin on the field w/ Jackson, Booker, Westbrook and Curtis, the Eagles would be able to create some serious mismatches

Guys I also like-
James Davis RB Clemson
Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Maryland
Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
Oderick Turner WR Pittsburgh
Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma St.
Max Unger, OT Oregon
Alex Boone, OT Ohio State
Duke Robinson OG Oklahoma
Jeremy Perry OG Oregon St.
Greg Hardy DE Ole Miss
Greg Middleton DE Indiana
Brian Cushing LB USC
Brandon Spikes LB Florida
Vontae Davis CB Illinois
Victor Harris, CB Virginia Tech
Myron Rolle SS Florida St.
William Moore FS Missouri
Kam Chancellor SS Virginia Tech
Nic Harris, SS, Oklahoma

[bhaarat316]

I am looking for a physical WR someone who can block and just man handle guys, a Hinze Ward, Anquan Bolden, T.O., Fitz tyep. Or maybe we try and get Roy. Enough talk about next year draft.

How about this year how are contract and players comming along

[eaglesfan_45]

I am looking for a physical WR someone who can block and just man handle guys, a Hinze Ward, Anquan Bolden, T.O., Fitz tyep. Or maybe we try and get Roy. Enough talk about next year draft.

How about this year how are contract and players comming along


Lito should get a new deal.
Lorenzo Booker is going to make the league regret passing on him
Trevor Laws and DeSean Jackson are looking good.
The other draft picks are learning the system
Justice has played RT w/ the 1st team a couple times
The infusion of youth and speed is extremely apparent.


Do the Eagles let both Thomas and Runyan go? Do they keep one? Do they keep both? Do they retire? What is the deal w/ those two?

[cunningham06]

Lito should get a new deal.
Lorenzo Booker is going to make the league regret passing on him
Trevor Laws and DeSean Jackson are looking good.
The other draft picks are learning the system
Justice has played RT w/ the 1st team a couple times
The infusion of youth and speed is extremely apparent.


Do the Eagles let both Thomas and Runyan go? Do they keep one? Do they keep both? Do they retire? What is the deal w/ those two?

I have a gut feeling Runyan stays longer than Thomas.

[bhaarat316]

I have a feeling neither retires they move on to the next team and then play a year or two and retire

[eaglesfan_45]

How many wins for the Eagles?

Week 1- vs. Rams- W- good opener, Eagles dominate the Rams
Week 2- @ Cowboys- L- Boys win in a close one
Week 3- vs. Steelers- W-Eagles pass rush is able to exploit the Steelers O-line
Week 4- @ Bears- Eagles win in a low scoring game
Week 5- vs. Washington- W- Eagles win easily
Week 6- @ 49ers- W- Eagles win another one relatively easily
Week 7- Bye
Week 8- vs. Falcons- W- Eagles secondary schools Matt Ryan
Week 9- @ Seattle- L- Eagles lose a heartbreaker
Week 10- vs. NY Giants- L- Eagles lose another close one
Week 11- @ Bengals- W- Eagles destroy the Bengals
Week 12- @ Ravens- W- Hard fought win, Ravens suprise the Eales a bit
Week 13- vs. Cardinals- W- Eagles defense shows up in a big way
Week 14- @ NY Giants- W- Eagles go into Giants territory and win
Week 15- vs. Cleveland- W- Eagles win in close game
Week 16- @ Washington- L- Redskins suprise the Eagles w/ their physical play
Week 17- vs. Dallas- W- Eagles win the season finale and beat the Cowboys

Final Record- 12-4 Eagles win the divison by 1 game

[eaglesalltheway]

I have a gut feeling Runyan stays longer than Thomas.

I have that same feeling. If either of them stays, it will be Runyan. Thomas may retire, as he has had a slew of injruies and health issues throughout his career. It is still very possible that both stay and both re-sign. Granted they would be short deals, one or two years. Runyan is definitely more likely to stay though.

[eaglesalltheway]

Lito should get a new deal.


With the Eagles? I doubt it. He will probably be gone by this time next year, and even if he is, he wants more money, and since the Eagles have him as their Nickel, why would they pay him more than when he was starting? They won't and the absolute longest Lito stays is until his contract year, whenever that may be.

[eaglesalltheway]

Who are some guys you're going to watch-out for, as an Eagles draft pick?

I'm watching George Selvie DE/OLB South Florida b/c he could be "weapon x" on the Eagles. Jim Johnson would be able to use alot more 3-4 and when the Eagles are playing in a 4-3 he could line up at either DE spot or any LB spot causing major mismatches.

I am watching Percy Harvin WR Florida and Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri on offense b/c they are serious playmakers. With Maclin or Harvin on the field w/ Jackson, Booker, Westbrook and Curtis, the Eagles would be able to create some serious mismatches

Guys I also like-
James Davis RB Clemson
Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Maryland
Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
Oderick Turner WR Pittsburgh
Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma St.
Max Unger, OT Oregon
Alex Boone, OT Ohio State
Duke Robinson OG Oklahoma
Jeremy Perry OG Oregon St.
Greg Hardy DE Ole Miss
Greg Middleton DE Indiana
Brian Cushing LB USC
Brandon Spikes LB Florida
Vontae Davis CB Illinois
Victor Harris, CB Virginia Tech
Myron Rolle SS Florida St.
William Moore FS Missouri
Kam Chancellor SS Virginia Tech
Nic Harris, SS, Oklahoma

I like this idea much more than chrurning out mock drafts.

[eaglesalltheway]

some could mean like 1 or 2 times per game or sometimes not even. we don't know what they mean by that anyways.
Yeah Laws would be an Ideal fit for 3-4 DE. I don't think Patterson has the motor to be a 3-4 DE.

Why, it seems to me that he is going almost all the time. Granted Laws' motor is much greater than his, but Patterson's motor is more than sufficient to be a successful 3-4 DE.

[eaglesalltheway]

How many wins for the Eagles?

Week 1- vs. Rams- W- good opener, Eagles dominate the Rams
Week 2- @ Cowboys- L- Boys win in a close one
Week 3- vs. Steelers- W-Eagles pass rush is able to exploit the Steelers O-line
Week 4- @ Bears- Eagles win in a low scoring game
Week 5- vs. Washington- W- Eagles win easily
Week 6- @ 49ers- W- Eagles win another one relatively easily
Week 7- Bye
Week 8- vs. Falcons- W- Eagles secondary schools Matt Ryan
Week 9- @ Seattle- L- Eagles lose a heartbreaker
Week 10- vs. NY Giants- L- Eagles lose another close one
Week 11- @ Bengals- W- Eagles destroy the Bengals
Week 12- @ Ravens- W- Hard fought win, Ravens suprise the Eales a bit
Week 13- vs. Cardinals- W- Eagles defense shows up in a big way
Week 14- @ NY Giants- W- Eagles go into Giants territory and win
Week 15- vs. Cleveland- W- Eagles win in close game
Week 16- @ Washington- L- Redskins suprise the Eagles w/ their physical play
Week 17- vs. Dallas- W- Eagles win the season finale and beat the Cowboys

Final Record- 12-4 Eagles win the divison by 1 game

12-4 seems a little high, I would put the Eagles at 10-6 or 11-5. 11-5 seems more likely to me. 12 wins isn't out of the realm of possibilities by any means, but I just don't expect a 12-4 season.

[DragonFireKai]

Guys I also like-
James Davis RB Clemson
Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Maryland
Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
Oderick Turner WR Pittsburgh
Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma St.
Max Unger, OT Oregon
Alex Boone, OT Ohio State
Duke Robinson OG Oklahoma
Jeremy Perry OG Oregon St.
Greg Hardy DE Ole Miss
Greg Middleton DE Indiana
Brian Cushing LB USC
Brandon Spikes LB Florida
Vontae Davis CB Illinois
Victor Harris, CB Virginia Tech
Myron Rolle SS Florida St.
William Moore FS Missouri
Kam Chancellor SS Virginia Tech
Nic Harris, SS, Oklahoma

Max Unger has no future in the NFL as a tackle.

[eaglesalltheway]

Would you like him as a guard prospect?

[DragonFireKai]

Would you like him as a guard prospect?

Certainly not in our system. He's listed at 300 flat, but his natural weight is closer to 280, and he loses weight over the course of a season. He could find sucess in a ZBS, but not in any other system. His future in the NFL for most teams is at center, and he's not a good enough center to go on the first day.

[eaglesalltheway]

So he is an all-around no.

[trkaline]

Give us McNabb...well trade you all 3 of our qb's...and well throw in a puppy...noone can turn down a puppy...

[eaglesalltheway]

No thanks...

[eaglesalltheway]

One second, what type of puppy...?

[trkaline]

http://ww1.prweb.com/prfiles/2005/11/22/314319/SamUgliestDogLulu.jpg
Isn't he adorable?

[bsaza2358]

That dog is so ugly, it's cute.

[trkaline]

That dog is so ugly, it's cute.

So we have a deal? Ham sandwiches shall be had by all!

[bsaza2358]

I'll take the dog, but you have to take Reno Mahe. McNabb will not be included.

[eaglesalltheway]

I'll take the dog, but you have to take Reno Mahe. McNabb will not be included.

That would be the most fair trade in the history of any sport:)

[eaglesfan_45]

You shall give us that puppy for FREE!!!

[bsaza2358]

That's why I offered it...

[eaglesfan_45]

I just realized something, the Eagles can not keep 3 CB's b/c all of them want a starting spot. Shelden Brown wants the #2 spot, Lito wants the #1 spot and Samuel wants the #1 spot. However the only CB who is going to get what they want is Samuel.
Brown doesn't want to be a nickel back and Lito doesn't want to be #2 or #3.
There is going to be trouble. Lito will get traded before the season for draft picks or a WR.

[DragonFireKai]

I just realized something, the Eagles can not keep 3 CB's b/c all of them want a starting spot. Shelden Brown wants the #2 spot, Lito wants the #1 spot and Samuel wants the #1 spot. However the only CB who is going to get what they want is Samuel.
Brown doesn't want to be a nickel back and Lito doesn't want to be #2 or #3.
There is going to be trouble. Lito will get traded before the season for draft picks or a WR.

There's no reason why we can't keep all three. None of them have actually said anything about being unhappy, or wanting a new contract, or a trade. It's all been a manefestation of the media looking for a story. Call me when someone holds out, or makes a comment on the record. Those "Anonymous Sources" that the media has with the Eagles? Yeah, they don't exist.

[eaglesalltheway]

I just realized something, the Eagles can not keep 3 CB's b/c all of them want a starting spot. Shelden Brown wants the #2 spot, Lito wants the #1 spot and Samuel wants the #1 spot. However the only CB who is going to get what they want is Samuel.
Brown doesn't want to be a nickel back and Lito doesn't want to be #2 or #3.
There is going to be trouble. Lito will get traded before the season for draft picks or a WR.

You're forgetting one thing though, Sheldon kept his starting spot (#2 CB or for us RCB) and Lito is the Nickel, not Sheldon, get your stuff right dude. ...On a side note, the first person to give me the true definition of "dude" will get a +rep from me.

[bhaarat316]

Dude!

Another term for homie or friend.


1) The Universal Prounoun
2) Adj - expression of emphasis, amazement, or awe



1) n. a name for anyone (stereotypically used by male surfters/skaters but now accepted by any race, sex, religion, and wealth)
2) n. something that's just so awesomly cool, amazingly kick ass
3) ?. a way to start a conversation
4) replacing "um" or "like" in any sentence

[eaglesalltheway]

Those are definitions of it, but I'm looking for a slightly more funny one, that may be a little more difficult to find. You get a +rep for effort, but it is still up for grabs if anyone can find this more obscure definition for dude.

[trkaline]

You shall give us that puppy for FREE!!!

Never you wont take my poopsykins!!!!!

[eaglesfan_45]

You're forgetting one thing though, Sheldon kept his starting spot (#2 CB or for us RCB) and Lito is the Nickel, not Sheldon, get your stuff right dude. ...On a side note, the first person to give me the true definition of "dude" will get a +rep from me.

Main Entry: dude
Pronunciation: (düd also dyüd)
Function: noun
Etymology: origin unknown
Date: 1883

1: a man extremely fastidious in dress and manner : dandy
2: a city dweller unfamiliar with life on the range; especially : an Easterner in the West
3: fellow, guy —sometimes used informally as a term of address

[eaglesalltheway]

Main Entry: dude
Pronunciation: (düd also dyüd)
Function: noun
Etymology: origin unknown
Date: 1883

1: a man extremely fastidious in dress and manner : dandy
2: a city dweller unfamiliar with life on the range; especially : an Easterner in the West
3: fellow, guy —sometimes used informally as a term of address

Nope, I'll just say it.
Dude is another name for the hair on an elephants' ass.

[eaglesfan_45]

how would you guys feel about adding a guy like Thurman as a backup? He would improve depth and be a capable replacement at SLB and ILB.

[Go_Eagles77]

We have plenty of depth right now. Thurman would bring more negative to the team than positive.

[eaglesfan_45]

you think the Eagles would sign Takeo Spikes back as a back-up? He is a veteran and he is good depth who knows the defense. The Eagles would sign him to a smaller deal than before. I think he would sign it just because he is having trouble being signed and is looking to play football. Something to think about. I'm in a speculating mood :D.

[Go_Eagles77]

I think they really like Akeem Jordan as the backup for Gaither.

I think the LB Corp will be one of these

Gaither - Bradley - Gocong
Jordan - Mays - Boiman

or

Gaither - Bradley - Gocong
Jordan - Boiman - Studebaker

I think whichever does better out of the 2 rooks will make the team, if both suck, they'll probably just give the spot to Togafau, and if he doesn't do anything, then they might sign someone.

[eaglesfan_45]

I like Jordan too he has been one of the stars of the Mini-Camps. However, I have my doubts about 2 LB spots, backup MLB and backup SLB. I think Boiman might not end up making the team b/c he is still limited from a surgery that happened a while ago.

I don't think Mays and Studebaker should be counted on as the premier backups, they are both from smaller schools and are still learning the system. I like both of them, I just think they should get a year on the practice squad before they are counted on so heavily.

I think the Eagles should sign 1 more veteran LB just to be safe.

Guys I would like are:
Kendrell Bell
Shawn Barber
Rosevelt Colvin
Takeo Spikes
Brian Simmons
All can play MLB and most can play SLB and that is what the Eagles need.

[eaglesfan_45]

Lorenzo Booker is fast becoming one of my favorite players.

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=15488

It is not just rookies that find the extra time of preparation advantageous.

Running back Lorenzo Booker is entering his second NFL season, but his first as an Eagle after being traded from the Miami Dolphins April 26. Learning the new offense like the rookies are, Booker participated in the camp as well.

"I felt 180 degrees different today (compared to the post-draft mini-camp)," Booker said Wednesday. "Just knowing everything, I was actually able to play as opposed to wondering if I am doing the right thing, wondering if I am lining up on the right side, or wondering if I am running the right route. Those were all things that were gone in terms of coming into this camp."

Booker remained in Philadelphia and around the NovaCare complex after the post-draft mini-camp so that he would be ready to go when this camp began.

"You can't play when you're thinking that's just the bottom line," he said.

Booker has even told his family that "this is the most comfortable I have ever been with any team I have joined for the first time: high school, college, whatever. Questions I would ask Kevin (Kolb) in the huddle weren't 'What am I doing?' It was pretty much getting timing down ...developing a little bit of chemistry. I can start focusing on the little things rather than everything."

[eaglesalltheway]

I think they really like Akeem Jordan as the backup for Gaither.

I think the LB Corp will be one of these

Gaither - Bradley - Gocong
Jordan - Mays - Boiman

or

Gaither - Bradley - Gocong
Jordan - Boiman - Studebaker

I think whichever does better out of the 2 rooks will make the team, if both suck, they'll probably just give the spot to Togafau, and if he doesn't do anything, then they might sign someone.
Those are the two ways I could see it panning out two, though we may sign a vet LB anyway, just in case.

[eaglesalltheway]

Lorenzo Booker is fast becoming one of my favorite players.

I am also a fan of this kid, and also a fan of what he could do for this offense.

[longshot_15]

I am new to the forum and I just wanted to say hello and let you know that I'm a fan of the Eagles. Go Eagles!

[Damix]

I am new to the forum and I just wanted to say hello and let you know that I'm a fan of the Eagles. Go Eagles!


Hey eaglesfan_45

Nice to see you.

[eaglesfan_45]

nice to see you to Damix, but that isn't me I'm not going to ***** out of this situation, I'm going to accept responsibility

[Damix]

Oh of course, of course, it is your 'brother'

[eaglesfan_45]

hahaha your ***** hilarious :mad:

[eaglesfan_45]

I think that the defense of the Eagles will be solid, but I do have some doubts about them. The defense, is good and they are young. However, here is where my doubts begin. The defense as a whole is young, but Dawkins the defensive leader is older and reaching the end of his career. What does that mean?

That means that the leader of a young defense is getting older and he only has a couple more years (if that) to leave his mark on the youngsters. Dawkins is one of my favorite players but lets face the facts he can't play forever. So with him getting older and losing some of his speed, that will expose weaknesses at the other S spot that usually Dawkins was able to hide.

Also with Brian Dawkins getting older, his heir apparent has yet to be found. Mikell is a nice player and all but is he the replacement for a hall of famer? Probably not. Considine is a nice player as well but again, is he the awnser? and again the awnser is most likely no. So, who does that leave? That leaves Quintin Demps, JR Reed and Marcus Paschal, and again none of these guys are the awnser. I have high hopes for Demps, and he is drawing alot of praise from the Eagles, but I'll believe it when I see it. JR Reed and Paschal are nice stories of guys fighting against all odds and making the team, but are they the awnser? The awnser simply put is no. Hopefully, the great set of CB's will be able to cover up and hide some of the the flaws at S. However the CB posiston isn't perfect on the Eagles either.

To the casual eye, the Eagles are set at CB for a while. However the casual eye couldn't be more wrong. The individual players are great, but the chemistry between them isn't. The Eagles have really under-estimated the importance of chemistry. The Eagles have added an all-pro in Asante Samuels to the mix at CB. However, Lito Sheppard and Sheldon Brown may have seen this as a slap in the face. Sheppard is one of the better playmakers at CB in the league, however he is injury prone. Brown is a solid #2 who gets the job done and is one of the better run stopping CB in the NFL. Add Samuel into that mix and it looks like the Eagles have the best trio of CBs in the league, but here comes the problem: chemistry. Shelden Brown wants the #2 spot, Lito wants the #1 spot and Samuel wants the #1 spot. However the only CB who is going to get what they want is Samuel. Brown doesn't want to be a glorified nickel back and Lito doesn't want to be #2 or #3.

Hopefully a solution can be worked out. I see something like this developing: Dawkins retires, Shelden Brown is then moved to FS, Lito becomes the #2 CB and Ike becomes the #3 CB. Ike was drafted in the 4th round of the NFL draft, but, he is injured and can't participate in the '08-'09 NFL season. However, when he is healhy he is a physical CB who can defend the run and cover recievers well.

The LB group is young, talented and possesses all the potential in the world, but again I have my doubts. My favorite LB of the group is Stewart Bradley. He has all the tools of a great MLB and I expect great things from him, and I think he will perform extremely well. Omar Gaither on the other hand is also a young talented LB, but he is switching posistions again. Gaither was a WLB, but moved inside to play MLB last season. He put on weight and learned his new spot well. This offseason, he is moving back to WLB and is having to lose the weight he put on, and re-learn the WLB spot. Chris GoCong is yet another young talented LB with a ton of potential, but he in my opinion is the weak link of the defense. He has trouble in coverage because he is a natural DE however, he can play the run well and he can rush the passer well.

The LB depth is questionable at best. The depth is young and inexperienced. Akeem Jordan is a good back up and a nice find by the Eagles, but behind him, they have young players with the exception of Rocky Boiman. All of the depth at LB is still learning the Eagles system. The Eagles need another veteran LB at MLB or SLB because that is where depth is needed most. The Linebackers should benifit from the top-notch defensive line in front of them.

The defensive line is the strength of the defense. The line is lead by Eagles sack leader Trent Cole. Cole is a great young DE and is one of the up and coming stars of the league. Abiamiri, Chris Clemons and Darren Howard all look like they are going to split time at the DE spot and Abiamiri is going to be the eventual full time starter. The defensive tackles, Broderick Bunkley and Mike Patterson are also some of the up and coming stars in the league and both of them look like they could anchor the defense for years. Behind those players, the Eagles have young players with little playing time mixed with some solid veterans.

[bhaarat316]

I really doubt they move Sheldon to FS, I think they would rather draft one. Yeha I also have the same feeling for GoCong, would work in as OLB in a 3-4 for rushing, and limited zone coverage. We need to get one super athletic olb.


Now do the Offense

[eaglesfan_45]

I think that the defense of the Eagles will be solid, but I do have some doubts about them. The defense, is good and they are young. However, here is where my doubts begin. The defense as a whole is young, but Dawkins the defensive leader is older and reaching the end of his career. What does that mean?

That means that the leader of a young defense is getting older and he only has a couple more years (if that) to leave his mark on the youngsters. Dawkins is one of my favorite players but lets face the facts he can't play forever. So with him getting older and losing some of his speed, that will expose weaknesses at the other S spot that usually Dawkins was able to hide.

Also with Brian Dawkins getting older, his heir apparent has yet to be found. Mikell is a nice player and all but is he the replacement for a hall of famer? Probably not. Considine is a nice player as well but again, is he the awnser? and again the awnser is most likely no. So, who does that leave? That leaves Quintin Demps, JR Reed and Marcus Paschal, and again none of these guys are the awnser. I have high hopes for Demps, and he is drawing alot of praise from the Eagles, but I'll believe it when I see it. JR Reed and Paschal are nice stories of guys fighting against all odds and making the team, but are they the awnser? The awnser simply put is no. Hopefully, the great set of CB's will be able to cover up and hide some of the the flaws at S. However the CB posiston isn't perfect on the Eagles either.

To the casual eye, the Eagles are set at CB for a while. However the casual eye couldn't be more wrong. The individual players are great, but the chemistry between them isn't. The Eagles have really under-estimated the importance of chemistry. The Eagles have added an all-pro in Asante Samuels to the mix at CB. However, Lito Sheppard and Sheldon Brown may have seen this as a slap in the face. Sheppard is one of the better playmakers at CB in the league, however he is injury prone. Brown is a solid #2 who gets the job done and is one of the better run stopping CB in the NFL. Add Samuel into that mix and it looks like the Eagles have the best trio of CBs in the league, but here comes the problem: chemistry. Shelden Brown wants the #2 spot, Lito wants the #1 spot and Samuel wants the #1 spot. However the only CB who is going to get what they want is Samuel. Brown doesn't want to be a glorified nickel back and Lito doesn't want to be #2 or #3.

Hopefully a solution can be worked out. I see something like this developing: Dawkins retires, Shelden Brown is then moved to FS, Lito becomes the #2 CB and Ike becomes the #3 CB. Ike was drafted in the 4th round of the NFL draft, but, he is injured and can't participate in the '08-'09 NFL season. However, when he is healhy he is a physical CB who can defend the run and cover recievers well.

The LB group is young, talented and possesses all the potential in the world, but again I have my doubts. My favorite LB of the group is Stewart Bradley. He has all the tools of a great MLB and I expect great things from him, and I think he will perform extremely well. Omar Gaither on the other hand is also a young talented LB, but he is switching posistions again. Gaither was a WLB, but moved inside to play MLB last season. He put on weight and learned his new spot well. This offseason, he is moving back to WLB and is having to lose the weight he put on, and re-learn the WLB spot. Chris GoCong is yet another young talented LB with a ton of potential, but he in my opinion is the weak link of the defense. He has trouble in coverage because he is a natural DE however, he can play the run well and he can rush the passer well.

The LB depth is questionable at best. The depth is young and inexperienced. Akeem Jordan is a good back up and a nice find by the Eagles, but behind him, they have young players with the exception of Rocky Boiman. All of the depth at LB is still learning the Eagles system. The Eagles need another veteran LB at MLB or SLB because that is where depth is needed most. The Linebackers should benifit from the top-notch defensive line in front of them.

The defensive line is the strength of the defense. The line is lead by Eagles sack leader Trent Cole. Cole is a great young DE and is one of the up and coming stars of the league. Abiamiri, Chris Clemons and Darren Howard all look like they are going to split time at the DE spot and Abiamiri is going to be the eventual full time starter. The defensive tackles, Broderick Bunkley and Mike Patterson are also some of the up and coming stars in the league and both of them look like they could anchor the defense for years. Behind those players, the Eagles have young players with little playing time mixed with some solid veterans.


bumping this to the new page

[eaglesfan_45]

Now do the Offense

Maybe later, the offense is more boring, not as much drama :(

[eaglesfan_45]

IF THE EAGLES GET CHAD JOHNSON I WILL NO LONGER BE AN EAGLES FAN!!!!!

ARGH!

No way should we get a WR who talks alot, has an ego, has a giant ego, and is in the latter part of his prime!

NO WAY JOSE!! NO DEAL! I HATE CHAD JOHNSON!!

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[Go_Eagles77]

Okaaaaay....

[bhaarat316]

I am all for Chad or any number 1 WR even though he is 30 he still can play for another 4 years

[eaglesfan_45]

I am all for Chad or any number 1 WR even though he is 30 he still can play for another 4 years

No way, can you say T.O. Part 2?

If the Eagles are going to go after any WR I would prefer it be someone like Roy Williams or Anquan Boldin

Oh, and what pushed me over the edge was someone jokingly proposing a trade:

Chad Johnson, Stacy Andrews

for

2 1st rounders and Trevor Laws

If the Eagles trade those two 1st, I will flip the **** out.

[bhaarat316]

i would do a second round pick for chad, I don't think he is T.O. part 2. He must be doing all this for a reason, something had to happen inside the office he stayed quite for a long time he had funny shannagans but nothing serious. This is the first time he is doing something like this. All he is doing is holding out there must be another part of the story taht no one wants to say

[Go_Eagles77]

No way, can you say T.O. Part 2?

If the Eagles are going to go after any WR I would prefer it be someone like Roy Williams or Anquan Boldin

Oh, and what pushed me over the edge was someone jokingly proposing a trade:

Chad Johnson, Stacy Andrews

for

2 1st rounders and Trevor Laws

If the Eagles trade those two 1st, I will flip the **** out.

Yeah I saw a thread on the bengals message board where 1 guy was talking about trading Chad and Stacey Andrews for DeSean, Laws, Mike McGlynn, and the 2 1sts, and everyone was like "that makes too much sense not to happen!" lol, I just thought it was funny, the eagles would never do that so no use in getting pissed off about it.

[eaglesfan_45]

Yeah I saw a thread on the bengals message board where 1 guy was talking about trading Chad and Stacey Andrews for DeSean, Laws, Mike McGlynn, and the 2 1sts, and everyone was like "that makes too much sense not to happen!" lol, I just thought it was funny, the eagles would never do that so no use in getting pissed off about it.

The Bengals must be sharing the drugs

[eaglesalltheway]

I think that the defense of the Eagles will be solid, but I do have some doubts about them. The defense, is good and they are young. However, here is where my doubts begin. The defense as a whole is young, but Dawkins the defensive leader is older and reaching the end of his career. What does that mean?

That means that the leader of a young defense is getting older and he only has a couple more years (if that) to leave his mark on the youngsters. Dawkins is one of my favorite players but lets face the facts he can't play forever. So with him getting older and losing some of his speed, that will expose weaknesses at the other S spot that usually Dawkins was able to hide.

Also with Brian Dawkins getting older, his heir apparent has yet to be found. Mikell is a nice player and all but is he the replacement for a hall of famer? Probably not. Considine is a nice player as well but again, is he the awnser? and again the awnser is most likely no. So, who does that leave? That leaves Quintin Demps, JR Reed and Marcus Paschal, and again none of these guys are the awnser. I have high hopes for Demps, and he is drawing alot of praise from the Eagles, but I'll believe it when I see it. JR Reed and Paschal are nice stories of guys fighting against all odds and making the team, but are they the awnser? The awnser simply put is no. Hopefully, the great set of CB's will be able to cover up and hide some of the the flaws at S. However the CB posiston isn't perfect on the Eagles either.

To the casual eye, the Eagles are set at CB for a while. However the casual eye couldn't be more wrong. The individual players are great, but the chemistry between them isn't. The Eagles have really under-estimated the importance of chemistry. The Eagles have added an all-pro in Asante Samuels to the mix at CB. However, Lito Sheppard and Sheldon Brown may have seen this as a slap in the face. Sheppard is one of the better playmakers at CB in the league, however he is injury prone. Brown is a solid #2 who gets the job done and is one of the better run stopping CB in the NFL. Add Samuel into that mix and it looks like the Eagles have the best trio of CBs in the league, but here comes the problem: chemistry. Shelden Brown wants the #2 spot, Lito wants the #1 spot and Samuel wants the #1 spot. However the only CB who is going to get what they want is Samuel. Brown doesn't want to be a glorified nickel back and Lito doesn't want to be #2 or #3.

Hopefully a solution can be worked out. I see something like this developing: Dawkins retires, Shelden Brown is then moved to FS, Lito becomes the #2 CB and Ike becomes the #3 CB. Ike was drafted in the 4th round of the NFL draft, but, he is injured and can't participate in the '08-'09 NFL season. However, when he is healhy he is a physical CB who can defend the run and cover recievers well.

The LB group is young, talented and possesses all the potential in the world, but again I have my doubts. My favorite LB of the group is Stewart Bradley. He has all the tools of a great MLB and I expect great things from him, and I think he will perform extremely well. Omar Gaither on the other hand is also a young talented LB, but he is switching posistions again. Gaither was a WLB, but moved inside to play MLB last season. He put on weight and learned his new spot well. This offseason, he is moving back to WLB and is having to lose the weight he put on, and re-learn the WLB spot. Chris GoCong is yet another young talented LB with a ton of potential, but he in my opinion is the weak link of the defense. He has trouble in coverage because he is a natural DE however, he can play the run well and he can rush the passer well.

The LB depth is questionable at best. The depth is young and inexperienced. Akeem Jordan is a good back up and a nice find by the Eagles, but behind him, they have young players with the exception of Rocky Boiman. All of the depth at LB is still learning the Eagles system. The Eagles need another veteran LB at MLB or SLB because that is where depth is needed most. The Linebackers should benifit from the top-notch defensive line in front of them.

The defensive line is the strength of the defense. The line is lead by Eagles sack leader Trent Cole. Cole is a great young DE and is one of the up and coming stars of the league. Abiamiri, Chris Clemons and Darren Howard all look like they are going to split time at the DE spot and Abiamiri is going to be the eventual full time starter. The defensive tackles, Broderick Bunkley and Mike Patterson are also some of the up and coming stars in the league and both of them look like they could anchor the defense for years. Behind those players, the Eagles have young players with little playing time mixed with some solid veterans.

Your first paragraph makes sense, so we will go from there...

Yes we are young and talented, but there are still questions, but there are always questions going into a new season.

Dawkins only does have two or three years left in him at the most, but it isn't like his skills have eroded completely, or anything near that, as long as he is playing he is a top tier S in the league. In our defense, Dawk does a lot to help the rest of the secondary, but by no means does he ever cover up the weaknesses of the Safeties around him. If that were the case, you wouldn't have heard the Considine bashing the last two years (which is unjustified IMO), or the problems about Michael (can't remember his last name at the moment). We don't have anyHOF guys waiting to take over for Dawk, but we don't need to. All we need is a capable starter who can cover both the pass and run on a consistent basis. Sure it wouod be nice to get that guy, and if there is the opportunity, the Eagles should do it, but for now, S is fine. Once Dawk is gone though, you are right, there are shoes to fill, both on the field and off.

Are you in the locker room? No, you're not, so already assuming that the chemistry between Lito, Sheldon, and Asante sucks is just that, your assumption. (Anyone else know what happens when you assume?) I'm not commenting on their chemistry, but for all we know they go to dinner every Wednesday night with there wives/girlfriends. They also may be on the verge of a brawl, but we simply do not know. But to just say that they are already on bad terms with no valid information to support that is jsut an assumption. I've already told this to yu before EF 45, but apparently you just ignore people when they tell you that you are wrong. Asante has the LCB spopt, and in this defense he is our #1 CB. Sheldon Brown, NOT Lito Sheppard has the RCB spot, making that the #2 CB, but he still is starting, no big deal. Lito is the only one SOL, as he went from #1 to nickel. I do beleive that his pride/ego are hurt a little, but he is doing what any professional woudl do and play. I hope you read this and actually remember the way the CBs are going to be playing.

Once Dawk retires, Sheldon is not moving to FS. This has been stated time and time again by the Eagles, Big Red, Tom Heckert, and Joe Banner, and Jim Johnson. Sheldon is a CB, and he is staying there. Once again, yo seem to contradict yourself. Before you were saying that Lito was the number 2 CB, because that seemed to help your argument of poor chemistry. But now, to help your argument that Sheldon will move to FS, you mention that Lito MOVES to the RCB or #2 CB spot. You need to pick a story and stick to it, becuase switching things around to help your point get proven doesn't work on this site, there are too many people who are too smart to let stuff like this go unnoticed.

I agree with basically every detail of your LB paragraph, but Gocong is still elarning the technique involved in being a successful SLB in this defense, and with the way he seemed to progress throughout the year, there is no reason not to beleive that he will be successful in this defense.

LB depth is questionable, and I am a fan of Jordan. He could play almost any LB spot on this defense. I like what he brings to the table. Boiman is the only true veteran LB oin this team, and that is a slight problem, but if the young guys can play and play well, I don't care how old they are.

I agree with most of your evaluations of the D-line., but Howard may not even make it on the team this year. He may be cut for roster purposes and cap space, but he plays RDE, so he won't be getting that many reps, if any at all with Abiamiri, Clemons, and Juqua Parker getting PT at LDE. As of right now we only have one older DT on this roster, the rest have three years of experience or less in the NFL, but all bring various things to the table that help this defense.

[eaglesalltheway]

IF THE EAGLES GET CHAD JOHNSON I WILL NO LONGER BE AN EAGLES FAN!!!!!

ARGH!

No way should we get a WR who talks alot, has an ego, has a giant ego, and is in the latter part of his prime!

NO WAY JOSE!! NO DEAL! I HATE CHAD JOHNSON!!

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I certainly wouldn't mind Ocho Cinco. But I would take Boldin or Williams too. I want a WR who can be a true #1 in this offense. And think of it this way, If we do have that #1, it will help DeSean Jackson immeasurably. He coud fit real nice into the slot and would have a lot of opportunities if we did have that #1 threat at WR.

[eaglesalltheway]

i would do a second round pick for chad, I don't think he is T.O. part 2. He must be doing all this for a reason, something had to happen inside the office he stayed quite for a long time he had funny shannagans but nothing serious. This is the first time he is doing something like this. All he is doing is holding out there must be another part of the story taht no one wants to say

I would give one of our firsts for him and if the Bengals wanted to be tough bargainers, I'd offer a third as well, I would give the same offer for both Williams or Boldin too. Think of how much that #1 WR would improve our WR corps, and our offense as a whole. We would have a star WR secured at #1. Either Reggie Brown or Kevin Curtis at #2, both of whom would be terrific in that role. The other of the two at #3 WR, DeSean at the #4/slot, and Hank Baskett or Jason Avant as our #5 WR. That makes for one of the better WR groups in the NFL, IMO. I think either of those guys are worth a first rounder, and would have no problems giving one up for them, the poroblem is, I think the asking price is much higher.

[cunningham06]

People don't forget, TO helped us reach the Superbowl...

[eaglesfan_45]

Also don't forget what he did to the team after he helped us reach the superbowl

[eaglesalltheway]

People don't forget, TO helped us reach the Superbowl...

I do think TO was a big reason for the success that year so don't take this the wrong way, but TO helped us get into position to go to the Superbowl that year. He was out for our two playoff games, so he really only helped us reach the playoffs. When he played in the Superbowl though, he was a man posessed, and no doubt would have made the road to the Superbowl a lot easier, but the truth is he wasn't playing during the run to the Superbowl. If the Superbowl would have gone in the Eagles favor, there is no doubt in my mind he would have been the MVP, and deservedly so.

[cunningham06]

Also don't forget what he did to the team after he helped us reach the superbowl

If the Eagles could win the Superbowl, I wouldn't mind a lost season afterwards. All I want is the goose egg of Superbowl wins to end.

[cunningham06]

I do think TO was a big reason for the success that year so don't take this the wrong way, but TO helped us get into position to go to the Superbowl that year. He was out for our two playoff games, so he really only helped us reach the playoffs. When he played in the Superbowl though, he was a man posessed, and no doubt would have made the road to the Superbowl a lot easier, but the truth is he wasn't playing during the run to the Superbowl. If the Superbowl would have gone in the Eagles favor, there is no doubt in my mind he would have been the MVP, and deservedly so.

He may not have played during the playoffs, but his impact during the regular season helped us lock up homefield advantage throughout the playoffs.

[bsaza2358]

Given the strength of the entire Eagles team and the weakness of the NFC, the Eagles probably would have gotten homefield anyway. It wouldn't have been nearly as easy.

[DragonFireKai]

Given the strength of the entire Eagles team and the weakness of the NFC, the Eagles probably would have gotten homefield anyway. It wouldn't have been nearly as easy.

To be honest, we probably would have had a better record without TO that season. Not have a better team, but given that it was TO's injury that inspired Reid to bench everyone for the last two games. I firmly believe that we were a better team than the Rams or Bengals. We really didn't have too many close games that season.

[bhaarat316]

To be honest, we probably would have had a better record without TO that season. Not have a better team, but given that it was TO's injury that inspired Reid to bench everyone for the last two games. I firmly believe that we were a better team than the Rams or Bengals. We really didn't have too many close games that season.

TO's what 14 TD didn't help that much right

[DragonFireKai]

TO's what 14 TD didn't help that much right

Considering we outscored our opponents by 18 TDs, not as much as you seem to think. We might lose the Browns game, but we'd win the two games that we benched everyone for, because without Owens we don't have to deal with his injury which inspired the benching. Don't misread what I'm writing, we wouldn't have been a better team, but I think we would have had a better record.

[eaglesalltheway]

He may not have played during the playoffs, but his impact during the regular season helped us lock up homefield advantage throughout the playoffs.

That is pretty much waht I was sayiing.

[bhaarat316]

Considering we outscored our opponents by 18 TDs, not as much as you seem to think. We might lose the Browns game, but we'd win the two games that we benched everyone for, because without Owens we don't have to deal with his injury which inspired the benching. Don't misread what I'm writing, we wouldn't have been a better team, but I think we would have had a better record.

We would have had a better record that year if Reid hadn't gotten to cautions.

[DragonFireKai]

We would have had a better record that year if Reid hadn't gotten to cautions.

But Reid's actions were directly caused by Owens' injury.

[eaglesalltheway]

We would have had a better record that year if Reid hadn't gotten to cautions.

Correct, maybe.

[eaglesalltheway]

But Reid's actions were directly caused by Owens' injury.

Also correct, but I think the Eagles had already secured home-field by the final two games, so he may have sat them out anyway, If I am remembering correctly.

[Eagles own the NFC East]

So is Lito getting traded? And I doubt we get Chad Johnson so don't be getting to upset about CJ trade talks.

[eaglesalltheway]

As of right now, there is no reason to think Lito will be traded, at least not this year anyway. I'm not counting on get Chad Johnson, or any other WR for that matter, but it also isn't the most likely thing either.

[DragonFireKai]

Also correct, but I think the Eagles had already secured home-field by the final two games, so he may have sat them out anyway, If I am remembering correctly.

But that was the event which inspired Reid to begin sitting starters. In 03, we locked up the division, and the rams had already secured homefield, but we still played everyone in the final game.

So is Lito getting traded? And I doubt we get Chad Johnson so don't be getting to upset about CJ trade talks.

I've been telling ya'll for months that we aren't trading him unless we get a rediculous offer.

[eaglesalltheway]

But that was the event which inspired Reid to begin sitting starters. In 03, we locked up the division, and the rams had already secured homefield, but we still played everyone in the final game..

That didn't totally ispire Reid to sit the starters the last two games. We had secured home field by the end of that game, and Reid has a history of resting his starters in those situations, and while I'm sure it was a major factor, I think the fact that we already secured Home field advantage played an equal role.

[eaglesalltheway]

I've been telling ya'll for months that we aren't trading him unless we get a rediculous offer.

I've been agreeing with you as well. I think it will take at least a first rounder and maybe something else for the Eagles to start trade talks.

[Sniper]

I've been telling ya'll for months that we aren't trading him unless we get a rediculous offer.

RI-diculous, not RE-diculous. Sorry, everyone does it and it really annoys me.

Anyways, does it really annoy anyone else whenever the Eagles have a small lead late in the game, Jim Johnson abandons his attacking style that has held the opposing team in check for 3 1/2 quarters and plays not to lose instead of to win? Rushes three or four who can't get there? coughcoughBearsgamecoughcough.

[eaglesalltheway]

RI-diculous, not RE-diculous. Sorry, everyone does it and it really annoys me.

Anyways, does it really annoy anyone else whenever the Eagles have a small lead late in the game, Jim Johnson abandons his attacking style that has held the opposing team in check for 3 1/2 quarters and plays not to lose instead of to win? Rushes three or four who can't get there? coughcoughBearsgamecoughcough.

Obvious spelling mistakes bother me, but only if they are repeated a lot. It does annoy me when our defense abandons the attacking style. It is like our defense went from in your face to soft. I am also not a fan of it and even if they don't go after the QB as much, they still need to do it a lot to keep the offenses in check.

[eaglesfan_45]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3424426

I told you guys there were issues as CB on the Eagles, Lito is unhappy just as I said he was. The situation is volatile, because you've got to put either Brown or Sheppard at a back up spot after being a starter for a couple years and it looks like Lito is the odd man out.

[eaglesalltheway]

VOLUNTARY means something. He was expected to do this, so this isn't a surprise at all, nor is it a surprise that he is the odd man out. Him skipping something that is voluntary is not near any situation that I would call volatile. I find it uncanny how you completely ignore when your proven wrong and claim that is what you said, when you obviously didn't, but when there is even a scrap of evidence that leads you to believe your ideas are correct. A veteran skipping VOLUNTARY workouts is not a big deal, especially when it was expected. Besides the first paragraph cites contract issues and a doubt about his role on the team, not him calling out teammates or coaches. Not throwing punches or speaking out to the media. Hardly anything volatile there.

[eaglesfan_45]

1. It does mean something b/c every other person was there

2. Usually when people are skipping camp (voluntary or not) it means they are unhappy with their contract or they're unhappy with their role on the team. Thus leading many to believe that Lito is unhappy about his situation.

3. When was I proven wrong, you assuming there isn't a problem at CB is just as bad as me assuming there is. Neither of us know if we are 100% correct.

4. Volatile means a touchy situation, something with potential to go bad, something that could explode

and finally, lets say that you've been doing a great job at what you do, and then one day your boss decides to replace you because they feel another person is better. The problem is, you've been working at that spot and was happy doing so, and then some newcomer comes and takes your spot. Would you be happy?

[eaglesalltheway]

1. It does mean something b/c every other person was there

2. Usually when people are skipping camp (voluntary or not) it means they are unhappy with their contract or they're unhappy with their role on the team. Thus leading many to believe that Lito is unhappy about his situation.

3. When was I proven wrong, you assuming there isn't a problem at CB is just as bad as me assuming there is. Neither of us know if we are 100% correct.

4. Volatile means a touchy situation, something with potential to go bad, something that could explode

and finally, lets say that you've been doing a great job at what you do, and then one day your boss decides to replace you because they feel another person is better. The problem is, you've been working at that spot and was happy doing so, and then some newcomer comes and takes your spot. Would you be happy?

Of course Lito is unhappy, but this all started over contract disputes, and being replaced won't help that, but Tthe situation is far from volatile. Volatile means that there is already major problems, I'm not in the mood to look it up but here is the basic definition of volatile: Explosive, detrimental, or dangerous situation capable of causing damage. I wasn't assuming there isn't a problem at CB, I was talking about when you were adamently defending the idea that both Brown and Sheppard would be in roles that they don't like. Do you remember saying that Lito would be unhappy because he would be #2 when he wanted to be #1? I do. Do you remember saying that Brown would be unhappy because he wants to be #2 but will be forced into the #3 CB. I do. And I certainly remember correcting you on more than one occasion that only Lito's role changed, but I guess you must have ignored common knowledge or something, and then decided that once some time has passed, people would forget what you said and you could go back to saying whatever you want. If thats how you wish to work, thats your decision, but I will call your BS every time

[eaglesalltheway]

Oh yeah, I work for a small family business, but if I was removed for some other guy I truly wouldn't mind as long as I am getting paid the same. That is the case for Lito, his role is diminished, but his pay is the same. Sure he is in a contract dispute, but he shouldn't have signed the contract then. Players trying to re-negotiate contracts two or three years after they just signed a long term deal pisses me off.

[eaglesfan_45]

Eagles Traded a conditional draft pick for Colts FB Luke Lawton the other day

So, I did some reasearch and the guy is a tough guy who does all the little things. Apparently the guy is a beast special teams player.

I like the trade and Colts fans are sad to see him go and suprised that the Colts were willing to part with him. I'm happy to have him, the FB posistion was looking pretty weak and he will at least add depth and competition.

The Eagles really seem to be improving special teams this off season. They drafted 2 guys who can return in Quintin Demps and DeSean Jackson. They traded for Lorenzo Booker. Add those three to a decent trio of JR Reed, Reno Mahe, and Greg Lewis and the Eagles have a formidable return unit. Plus, Lito Sheppard and Brian Westbrook can return kicks extremely well (if neccesary).

They are improving kick coverage as well. They drafted Joe Mays, they signed Dan Klecko and they just traded for Luke Lawton.

Special teams is looking good right now, it looks vastly better than last years.

[eaglesalltheway]

There is no doubt the Eagles wanted to improve special teams this off-season, and they have done so. Teh question is, they now have a lot of people filling the FB spot, but only one of those guys will make the roster. Who leaves? Is it Lawton? We'll have to see. Is it Jason David? Perhaps, we need to see more from him as well. Dan Klecko Maybe? He seems most likely to go if you ask me. There is also a rookie signee who I can't remember his name, but he is also here. There are four FBs on this roster right now, the question is, which three go? The rookie has shown promise (Errghhhh, why can't I remember his name???!!!) but he seems the first one gone. Klecko also was losing the battle to David, so the way I see it, it will come down to David and Lawton, but we'll have to see where it goes from there.

[eaglesfan_45]

There is no doubt the Eagles wanted to improve special teams this off-season, and they have done so. Teh question is, they now have a lot of people filling the FB spot, but only one of those guys will make the roster. Who leaves? Is it Lawton? We'll have to see. Is it Jason David? Perhaps, we need to see more from him as well. Dan Klecko Maybe? He seems most likely to go if you ask me. There is also a rookie signee who I can't remember his name, but he is also here. There are four FBs on this roster right now, the question is, which three go? The rookie has shown promise (Errghhhh, why can't I remember his name???!!!) but he seems the first one gone. Klecko also was losing the battle to David, so the way I see it, it will come down to David and Lawton, but we'll have to see where it goes from there.

I think the Eagles could keep 2 FB on the Roster, maybe Klecko for ST and Goal Line situations, and they keep Davis, because he is the best "true FB".

[bsaza2358]

Per the Eagles website, Klecko is no longer a FB option, and he is taking reps and doing drills as a DT. I'm sure he will have some reps at the goalline.

[Go_Eagles77]

Yep, if he makes the roster it will be as a DT but he could also be what Nick Cole did sometimes last year and be a goal line FB.

[Geo]

I think Klecko might have an uphill battle, given the Eagles' great depth at DT.

Will be interesting to see if newly-acquired Luke Lawton can win the FB job, I'm hoping he does. He became something of a fan favorite in Indy, the guy is a scrapper and can get the job done. But now that the Colts have 3 RBs who can pass block plus much better depth at TE, they're probably better off going back to more of a spread offense mindset.

[Go_Eagles77]

I think Klecko might have an uphill battle, given the Eagles' great depth at DT.

I think the only locks to make the team at DT are Patterson, Bunkley, and Laws. Hopefully Reagor proves he still has something, and possibly another young guy like a Jeremy Clark or Lajuan Ramsey can step up.

Edit - As for FB, it is now between Lawton and Jason Davis. They are both very similar in that they are both athletic and are good receivers, I think Lawton might have the edge considering his ST ability. Davis may have more upside though.

[Geo]

That's true. Klecko is an energy, wave DT who I would have liked to see get a few more snaps when he was in Indy. He's not physically imposing much at all, you know, but I always liked what I saw of him when he was on the field. Plus he can come in as a fullback, catch the occassional TD pass :p, and play special teams. I unabashedly like Klecko, wouldn't mind him coming back to the Colts.

[eaglesfan_45]

We've got our energy guy at DT, its Trevor Laws.

Klecko is not going to make the team unless the Eagles get tired of Reagor, Ramsey and Clark, and that most likely won't happen.

He might try to make it as Run stopping DE but even then his chances of making the team are very low. He will have to compete with established veterans and promising young players.

Defensice line is the worst place to transfer to on the Eagles, that is where some of the the best starters are and the best depth on the Eagles. Good Luck Klecko.

[Go_Eagles77]

He has literally a 0% chance at making it as a DE. DT is possible, but DE isn't. Not only has he never played it and would be really bad at it, but we currently have a hell of a lot of depth there, way more than DT.

[eaglesfan_45]

Oh, and the whole defense is relying on the LBers. If anything goes wrong with them, the whole defense is screwed. 0 depth at LB so, if Bradley doesn't work out and has to be moved to SLB again, who plays MLB? Gaither, then who plays WLB? Akeem Jordan? If he starts then who's the backup? The Eagles depth is a problem that needs to be solved.

[eaglesfan_45]

He has literally a 0% chance at making it as a DE. DT is possible, but DE isn't. Not only has he never played it and would be really bad at it, but we currently have a hell of a lot of depth there, way more than DT.

i know, but remember he had to bulk down to play FB so he might not have the bulk to play DT anymore, he is only 260-270 lbs right now.

[eaglesfan_45]

Oh, and the whole defense is relying on the LBers. If anything goes wrong with them, the whole defense is screwed. 0 depth at LB so, if Bradley doesn't work out and has to be moved to SLB again, who plays MLB? Gaither, then who plays WLB? Akeem Jordan? If he starts then who's the backup? The Eagles depth is a problem that needs to be solved.

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[eaglesfan_45]

I wish the Eagles would have waited a year before they grabbed a DT, next years DT class could be amazing.

I like Laws but next years guys are better IMO

Guys who IMO are better than Laws-
Fili Moala USC
Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn
Al Woods LSU
Vance Walker Georgia Tech
Vince Oghobaase Duke
DeMarcus Granger Oklahoma
Jeff Owens Georgia
Terrance Taylor Michigan

But then again I am probably being to pessimistic (sp?).

[eaglesalltheway]

I think the Eagles could keep 2 FB on the Roster, maybe Klecko for ST and Goal Line situations, and they keep Davis, because he is the best "true FB".

I highly doubt the Eagles use two roster spots on FB. If you want to use a player who also is good on ST. There are plenty of much better options, in terms of position, to have ST players. LB, RB, WR, CB, TE, S all come to mind. The Eagles have had only one roster spot filled for a FB for as long as I can remember, and ususally the only FB is on special teams anyway, so this is just a waste of a roster spot if you have two FBs. Like go Eagles 77 said, it is between Jason Davis adn Luke Lawton. Personally I want Lawton to win, as we know he contributes heavily to ST and we traded a draft pick for him. (probably a 6th or 7th) But Davis is also very athletic and can do some of the same things Lawton can, there are just more questions about Davis, as he is pretty much of an unknown comodity. I could seee either winning, and would be happy with either.

[eaglesalltheway]

I think the only locks to make the team at DT are Patterson, Bunkley, and Laws. Hopefully Reagor proves he still has something, and possibly another young guy like a Jeremy Clark or Lajuan Ramsey can step up.

Edit - As for FB, it is now between Lawton and Jason Davis. They are both very similar in that they are both athletic and are good receivers, I think Lawton might have the edge considering his ST ability. Davis may have more upside though.

Of the three uncertain ones, I like Clark the most. He is big, and a good run-stopping DT when given the opportunity, but he is very quick for a guy his size. I remember some of the preseason games where he was exploding off of the snap. There were a lot of playes where I was very impressed. But being a rookie, there were a lot of technique things that needed to be ironned out, and it seemed he was a little too aggressive, but that is understandable, as he was fighting to make the team. Hopefully he finds a spot on this roster as the #4 DT, and Reagor and Ramsey can battle it out for the last DT spot. They are very similar players, but Ramsey has youth on his side, so that might help a little, plus he is better in run support than Reagor.

[eaglesalltheway]

We've got our energy guy at DT, its Trevor Laws.

Klecko is not going to make the team unless the Eagles get tired of Reagor, Ramsey and Clark, and that most likely won't happen.

He might try to make it as Run stopping DE but even then his chances of making the team are very low. He will have to compete with established veterans and promising young players.

Defensice line is the worst place to transfer to on the Eagles, that is where some of the the best starters are and the best depth on the Eagles. Good Luck Klecko.

Like sadi before, DE would be even more dificult for him to make the roster for various reasons.
1. Trent Cole
2. Victor Abiamiri
3. Chris Clemons
4. Juqua Parker
5. ???? Howard (too early for his name)
6. Bryan Smith
7. He NEVER played DE
Tell me where he fits in there. Nowhere, he won't make this team as a DE that is for sure, and even if he was still getting reps at FB, he wouldn't make it either, as he was going to lose out the FB spto to Davis. Yes Laws is an energy DT, but there is a difference between an energy DT and a wave DT. Energy DTs are going ALL THE TIME and wave DTs which are usually smaller for DTs, are high motor, but they are known for using momentum and leverage to beat the blocker. Learn the terminology before you go making statements like that.

[eaglesalltheway]

Oh, and the whole defense is relying on the LBers. If anything goes wrong with them, the whole defense is screwed. 0 depth at LB so, if Bradley doesn't work out and has to be moved to SLB again, who plays MLB? Gaither, then who plays WLB? Akeem Jordan? If he starts then who's the backup? The Eagles depth is a problem that needs to be solved.

Depth is a problem, but Bradley will have no problems at MIKE. He was a backup at MIKE and SAM last year, so I don't know why you are saying he would have to be moved back to SAM, but whatever. We know Gaither can play MIKE well in our system, so that isn't a real big issue at all. I honestly think Jordan would do great at WILL if need be, or any of the LB spots. He is versatile enough to do so. Jordan, as we know has played real well when given the opportunity, I honestly think the defense wouldn't lose much if he were forced into the starting role. Now Togafu (sp) and Mays are battleing for the backup MIKE. Both are short but stocky. Togafu and mays are both guys who are relatively unproven, but I really liked Mays coming ito the draft, and think he has the best shot at winnig the backup MIKE spot. Boiman is the only vet, and played well for the Colts when put into duty. He is a player that doesn't stick out in your mind, but will be consistent and do what he has to do. Depth is a concern, as we all know, but it is dificult to know how these young players will perform if they are forced into heavy PT, but we know that Ahkeem Jordan is solid, and Rocky Boiman can get the job done.

[eaglesalltheway]

i know, but remember he had to bulk down to play FB so he might not have the bulk to play DT anymore, he is only 260-270 lbs right now.

He was playing at those weights while playing DT for the Colts... In our defense he will need to be bigger than that, but all he has to do is bulk back up. If he can get up to 280 or higher, that would be his maximum playign weight for him at DT. His frame wouldn't hold much more without him losing a lot of athleticism. Besides its on the site that he is getting reps at DT, not DE, so I don't know why you are still even arguing this.

[bsaza2358]

Even at 260-270, he can still lead the way in goal line situations. Not really sure why the Eagles even signed him as a full time FB anyway...

[Geo]

I think they knew that, even if the full-time FB thing didn't work out, Klecko might make the roster as a valuable swing/utility DT when trying to make a 53-man roster. It's not like they signed him to a big deal, I don't recall.

[eaglesalltheway]

Even at 260-270, he can still lead the way in goal line situations. Not really sure why the Eagles even signed him as a full time FB anyway...

I'm talking about if he wants to possibly make the roster as a DT, becuase it is pretty obvious that he won't make the roster purely as a FB.

[eaglesfan_45]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3435328

are you kidding me! Ugh! C'mon McNabb!

[bsaza2358]

I think the coaches shut him down for 2 reasons:

1. The best way to recover from shoulder tendinitis is to rest the joint.

2. They get carefree reps from Kolb for an entire week without McNabb as a real distraction.

[eaglesfan_45]

Yeah but if McNabb is getting hurt during mini-camp with no pads and no contact, that is not a good sign.

If McNabb goes down for a long period of time during the season.......

how do you feel about 2 Top 10 picks?

[Go_Eagles77]

Yeah but if McNabb is getting hurt during mini-camp with no pads and no contact, that is not a good sign.

If McNabb goes down for a long period of time during the season.......

how do you feel about 2 Top 10 picks?

Michael Crabtree and Taylor Mays will be great additions to this team. :D

[bsaza2358]

Shoulder tendinitis isn't a huge deal. He probably just threw too much in his offseason program. He will be fine for training camp and will not be pushed so much that this will be a big deal at all.

[eaglesfan_45]

Michael Crabtree and Taylor Mays will be great additions to this team. :D

yup, or maybe Micheal Oher and Taylor Mays? either way great draft. :D

[eaglesfan_45]

Winston Justice played starting RG today at Mini-Camp, taking over for absent Shawn Andrews.

Maybe the Line ends up looking like this in the future-

LT- Shawn Andrews
LG- Max Jean-Giles
C- Jamaal Jackson
RG- Winston Justice
RT- Todd Herramens

[Go_Eagles77]

Really? I don't know if I like Justice at G at all. Especially RG. He's a finesse Lineman.

[eaglesalltheway]

Yeah but if McNabb is getting hurt during mini-camp with no pads and no contact, that is not a good sign.

If McNabb goes down for a long period of time during the season.......

how do you feel about 2 Top 10 picks?

There are other ways of getting hurt than just contact. Plus you have to think about things this way. McNabb has his off-season workouts where he throws, minicamps, and his camp thing in Arizona. Thats a lot of throwing. Rest will help. Its sore more than anything. It is swollen, but that is as bad as tendinitis gets. There is no structural damage to his shoulder., bone or muscle or connective tissues.

[eaglesalltheway]

Winston Justice played starting RG today at Mini-Camp, taking over for absent Shawn Andrews.

Maybe the Line ends up looking like this in the future-

LT- Shawn Andrews
LG- Max Jean-Giles
C- Jamaal Jackson
RG- Winston Justice
RT- Todd Herramens

You'll do anything to get Andrews at LT won't you. Just because someone takes reps at a certain position for one day doesn't mean that is there future position. You don't need to overreact so much to such non-inmportant issues.

[Eaglez.Fan]

Justice is a tackle. Long term he won't be a guard. That would leave Herremans at RG, which I don't like either. That lineup doesn't fit for me.

[eaglesalltheway]

Justice is a tackle. Long term he won't be a guard. That would leave Herremans at RG, which I don't like either. That lineup doesn't fit for me.

I've been trying to convince eaglefan 45 of this for a while. IF Herremans moves to any position, it will be RT. And Andrews is almost a given to stay at RG for the rest of his career.

[eaglesfan_45]

I've been trying to convince eaglefan 45 of this for a while. IF Herremans moves to any position, it will be RT. And Andrews is almost a given to stay at RG for the rest of his career.

IF you payed attention to football, you would know that Herramens played LT in place for William Thomas in his rookie year and thrived there. Shawn Andrews was a RT coming out of college, so he can play there to. They aren't going to play there for sure but it is a possibility.

[eaglesalltheway]

I could have sworn ef45 that you previously said that Andrews played LT in college, but OK whatever, just say whatever you want say the sky is pink polk-a-dots, I don't care, because reading you posts are literally useless to me. The sarcastic "IF" was a nice touch.

[Eagles own the NFC East]

I've been trying to convince eaglefan 45 of this for a while. IF Herremans moves to any position, it will be RT. And Andrews is almost a given to stay at RG for the rest of his career.

Agreed there the only reason why Herremans played LT when Thomas went down that one year was because we had nobody else to place there. There is also no reason to move Shawn Andrews, he is a top 5 guard in the league, why change that. Seattle didn't do that with Hutchinson and the Steelers never did that with Faneca. And I doubt the Vikings would move Hutchinson and no way the Jets move Faneca.

Anyone else feel we had a very good off-season? I liked our draft a lot, there was nobody in the first round I felt would have been a really good fit, so it was perfect to trade down considering we aren't going to overpay for a 1st round pick and we picked up Trevor Laws and DeSean Jackson, two picks that I liked a lot. Not to mention the Lorenzo Booker addition is going to pay dividends as he will complement Westbrook very well.

[eaglesfan_45]

I could have sworn ef45 that you previously said that Andrews played LT in college, but OK whatever, just say whatever you want say the sky is pink polk-a-dots, I don't care, because reading you posts are literally useless to me. The sarcastic "IF" was a nice touch.

No, I said Andrews is the future LT of the Eagles. He is not but, he could be. If the Eagles don't find a capable replacement for LT, Andrews and Herramens should battle for the LT spot. But it is most likely that the Eagles will get a LT in next years draft. Next years draft has 3 shoe-ins to play LT. Ciron Black, Andre Smith and Michal Oher, and one of them will fall to the Eagles.

Oh, and the sky is blue. :eek:

[eaglesalltheway]

Agreed there the only reason why Herremans played LT when Thomas went down that one year was because we had nobody else to place there. There is also no reason to move Shawn Andrews, he is a top 5 guard in the league, why change that. Seattle didn't do that with Hutchinson and the Steelers never did that with Faneca. And I doubt the Vikings would move Hutchinson and no way the Jets move Faneca.

Anyone else feel we had a very good off-season? I liked our draft a lot, there was nobody in the first round I felt would have been a really good fit, so it was perfect to trade down considering we aren't going to overpay for a 1st round pick and we picked up Trevor Laws and DeSean Jackson, two picks that I liked a lot. Not to mention the Lorenzo Booker addition is going to pay dividends as he will complement Westbrook very well.

It doesn't matter what you say, ef45 will create his own matrix and ignore whatever is needed to make his little world exactly how he wants it to be...
Yes, I very much so liked our off-season, and all the points you brought up are what I feel made this team better as well.

[Go_Eagles77]

I know I'm in the minority here but I truly believe the eagles intend to move Andrews out to tackle eventually. That's why they moved up to draft him. The only reason he's been playing there is because we already have 2 pro bowl tackles in Tra and Runyan, so they wanted to get him on the field as soon as possible. I wouldn't be surprised at all if in 3 years the starting lineup looked like this:

LT - 2009 first round pick
LG - Herremans
C - Jackson
RG - Max Jean-Gilles
RT - Shawn Andrews
Key backups - Winston Justice, Mike McGlynn

I know what you're thinking, why would we have MJG as the starter but not Justice? Every time I've seen both of them play I've been far more impressed with MJG, even when Justice was at RT and looked very solid. I'm not saying Justice won't be given a chance, but I believe in 3 years time he won't do enough to crack the starting lineup. Also if Andrews doesn't prove that he can be just as elite at T as he is at G, they still have the option to move him back, but I see no reason why not to try, because an All-Pro Tackle is much more valuable in this league than an All-Pro Guard.

[eaglesfan_45]

Herramens thrived at LT as a rookie, so why do you think he can't play LT now?

Andrews was a T coming out of college, he was only put at G only because the Eagles starting Tackles were set in stone. Hutchinson and Faneca do not have the ability to play T like Andrews does. Why change that? Because LT and RT are much more important that RG.

Anyone else feel we had a very good off-season? I liked our draft a lot, there was nobody in the first round I felt would have been a really good fit, so it was perfect to trade down considering we aren't going to overpay for a 1st round pick and we picked up Trevor Laws and DeSean Jackson, two picks that I liked a lot. Not to mention the Lorenzo Booker addition is going to pay dividends as he will complement Westbrook very well.

yup, I agree.

[eaglesfan_45]

I know I'm in the minority here but I truly believe the eagles intend to move Andrews out to tackle eventually. That's why they moved up to draft him. The only reason he's been playing there is because we already have 2 pro bowl tackles in Tra and Runyan, so they wanted to get him on the field as soon as possible. I wouldn't be surprised at all if in 3 years the starting lineup looked like this:

LT - 2009 first round pick
LG - Herremans
C - Jackson
RG - Max Jean-Gilles
RT - Shawn Andrews
Key backups - Winston Justice, Mike McGlynn

I know what you're thinking, why would we have MJG as the starter but not Justice? Every time I've seen both of them play I've been far more impressed with MJG, even when Justice was at RT and looked very solid. I'm not saying Justice won't be given a chance, but I believe in 3 years time he won't do enough to crack the starting lineup. Also if Andrews doesn't prove that he can be just as elite at T as he is at G, they still have the option to move him back, but I see no reason why not to try, because an All-Pro Tackle is much more valuable in this league than an All-Pro Guard.

Finally someone who has a brain, and uses it! :eek:

[bhaarat316]

Both are equally good All-Pro guard and tackle. If you have someone to stop the outside pass rush thats great. But what what inside pass rushers and getting a push in the run game up the middle. A guard helps out a lot in the run game. Look at the ESPN or NFL article about ALL-Pro guards leaving their teams and improving their new teams rushing game. They move out of their spot to seal of end runs.

All-Pro Tackle is great also at stopping pass rushers, something every important. You throw more

But as I said they are both important.

[Eaglez.Fan]

Herremans will never be a LT in the NFL. He's just no good enough. He's not athletic enough and he doesn't have the foot skills. He'll be a solid guard but if he's your starting LT, your oline has some problems. I really don't care if he played LT for some DII school. Last time I checked he will be playing against NFL players not DII college guys.

[eaglesfan_45]

Herremans will never be a LT in the NFL. He's just no good enough. He's not athletic enough and he doesn't have the foot skills. He'll be a solid guard but if he's your starting LT, your oline has some problems. I really don't care if he played LT for some DII school. Last time I checked he will be playing against NFL players not DII college guys.

Never did anyone say that Herramens is a good LT because he played it in college. Soooo...... :confused:

It was said that Herramens could be a LT because he played LT his rookie year and played it well.

[Eaglez.Fan]

Never did anyone say that Herramens is a good LT because he played it in college. Soooo...... :confused:

It was said that Herramens could be a LT because he played LT his rookie year and played it well.

Yeah, and I'm saying NO he can't play LT.

Anyways, it really depends on how Andrews fits at LT. IMO he'll play well there and hopefully he can stay at LT down the road. Going by that here's what I'm hoping for in 3 years from now.

LT- Andrews
LG- Herremans
C- Jackson
RG- Jean-Gilles
RT- Justice

Now if we fall in love a LT at next years draft, like Oher or Smith than it could look like this.

LT- Rook
LG- Herremans/Jean-Gilles
C- Jackson
RG- Andrews
RT- Justice

[eaglesfan_45]

I think the Eagles play him at RT eventually. Winston Justice shoudn't start, he is a great athlete, not so great football player. The guy I really want to get in the Draft is Andre Smith, he is very similar to Willie Roaf.

Future O-Line Projection
LT- Andre Smith
LG- Todd Herramens
C- Jamaal Jackson
RG- Max Jean-Giles
RT- Shawn Andrews

[Eaglez.Fan]

Where are you getting this stuff from. Justice has a huge amount of talent to not only start but to be a pro-bowler. He was pretty dominant at USC, and not only because he is athletic. Justice also was RT in college. He started his 1st NFL game at LT where he barely even played in college he was bound to fail. He had top 10 talent the year that we drafted him. Even though he isn't a smart kid, he'll take time to develop. So in the future IMO he's a guaranteed starter and most likely one of our best o-linemen.

[Eagles own the NFC East]

Justice was RT in college because Matt Leinart was a lefty which would be protecting his blindside, so bascially, Justice did play LT.

He needs to step up his game though, his performance in that one Giants game was not promising.

[Eagles own the NFC East]

I think the Eagles play him at RT eventually. Winston Justice shoudn't start, he is a great athlete, not so great football player. The guy I really want to get in the Draft is Andre Smith, he is very similar to Willie Roaf.

Future O-Line Projection
LT- Andre Smith
LG- Todd Herramens
C- Jamaal Jackson
RG- Max Jean-Giles
RT- Shawn Andrews

Come to think about it, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Andrews gets moved to RT only if however Max Jean-Giles impresses.

[Eaglez.Fan]

I disagree. Justice was used to doing everything one way, kick-stepping to the right, etc. Expecting guys to do the opposite of what they actually did in his 1st NFL start. He also went up against one of the best pass rushers in the league.

[Go_Eagles77]

Exactly, being a right tackle for a left-handed QB doesn't make someone a left tackle.

[eaglesalltheway]

I think the Eagles play him at RT eventually. Winston Justice shoudn't start, he is a great athlete, not so great football player. The guy I really want to get in the Draft is Andre Smith, he is very similar to Willie Roaf.

Future O-Line Projection
LT- Andre Smith
LG- Todd Herramens
C- Jamaal Jackson
RG- Max Jean-Giles
RT- Shawn Andrews

I wouldn't be totally against that. but I would prefer...
LT-Rookie
LG-MJG
C-Jackson
RG-Andrews
RT-Justice

[Sniper]

Future O-Line Projection
LT- Andre Smith
LG- Todd Herramens
C- Jamaal Jackson
RG- Max Jean-Giles
RT- Shawn Andrews

I just blew my load with Smith and Andrews at tackle.

[eaglesfan_45]

I just blew my load with Smith and Andrews at tackle.

WHY? :eek: :confused: :eek: :confused:

[eaglesalltheway]

WHY? :eek: :confused: :eek: :confused:

Obligatory Austin Powers reference in 3...2...1... It made him horny baby, yeah!

[eaglesfan_45]

Obligatory Austin Powers reference in 3...2...1... It made him horny baby, yeah!

OOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! I GET IT!!! I thought he blew his load b/c he would be angry if that happened but no, he was having a ScottyBoy/ Brian Leonard moment

[Eagles own the NFC East]

Exactly, being a right tackle for a left-handed QB doesn't make someone a left tackle.

You still have the same job you would as a typical NFL LT though, protecting the QB's blindside which Justice is used to doing in his career and since we have right handed QB's then Justice is most accustomed to LT.

[Eagles own the NFC East]

I disagree. Justice was used to doing everything one way, kick-stepping to the right, etc. Expecting guys to do the opposite of what they actually did in his 1st NFL start. He also went up against one of the best pass rushers in the league.

Yeah but Osi getting 6 sacks was not excusable at all, I know it wasn't Justice blocking him the whole entire game, but he definitely atleast gave up 2 of those sacks which still is not very good and its not like hes a rookie. I am not saying hes a bust, but he still has a lot more to go. And just because he had top 10 talent and dropped to the 2nd round doesn't make him a sure fire good NFL LT. He dropped obviously for a reason and so far he hasn't proven anything. I can't blame the organization for the pick though, it was a necessary trade up considering they almost picked him at 14.

[cunningham06]

Yeah but Osi getting 6 sacks was not excusable at all, I know it wasn't Justice blocking him the whole entire game, but he definitely atleast gave up 2 of those sacks which still is not very good and its not like hes a rookie. I am not saying hes a bust, but he still has a lot more to go. And just because he had top 10 talent and dropped to the 2nd round doesn't make him a sure fire good NFL LT. He dropped obviously for a reason and so far he hasn't proven anything. I can't blame the organization for the pick though, it was a necessary trade up considering they almost picked him at 14.

He dropped because of character concerns, so I don't know what point you are getting at. As long as the police aren't discovering guns in his kitchen, or he's making it rain in strip clubs with bullets, the fact that he dropped isn't much of an issue.

You have the same RESPONSIBILITY of protecting your qb's blindside, but other than that it is completely different. The technique with your feet and hands has to change to make the transition from right tackle to left.

[eaglesalltheway]

He dropped because of character concerns, so I don't know what point you are getting at. As long as the police aren't discovering guns in his kitchen, or he's making it rain in strip clubs with bullets, the fact that he dropped isn't much of an issue.

You have the same RESPONSIBILITY of protecting your qb's blindside, but other than that it is completely different. The technique with your feet and hands has to change to make the transition from right tackle to left.

Absolutely correct, on both counts. He has the rsponsibility, but technique is different. I do think however, that it would be possible for him to still be a LT, as he is talented enough to do all of the things required to be a LT. I still think he's better suited as a RT for us, but LT isn't completely out of the question.

[Eagles own the NFC East]

He dropped because of character concerns, so I don't know what point you are getting at. As long as the police aren't discovering guns in his kitchen, or he's making it rain in strip clubs with bullets, the fact that he dropped isn't much of an issue.

You have the same RESPONSIBILITY of protecting your qb's blindside, but other than that it is completely different. The technique with your feet and hands has to change to make the transition from right tackle to left.

Yeah your right with different technique but he still has the same responsibility and duty at the LT position as he did at RT in college. His character issues weren't that big in college. It was like pretending to threaten people using a fake gun? Ok that is pretty stupid lol but his immaturity wasn't the only reason he dropped that much. As fans, we never get the real inside scoop of why all of a sudden out of nowhere players drop on draft day, there was probably more to it, GM's probably thought he didn't have the talent worthy of a top 10 pick.

I agree with you though he is more of an RT then LT. At worse he will give us great depth at both positions if he doesn't become a starter which isn't bad at all.

[eaglesfan_45]

Absolutely correct, on both counts. He has the rsponsibility, but technique is different. I do think however, that it would be possible for him to still be a LT, as he is talented enough to do all of the things required to be a LT. I still think he's better suited as a RT for us, but LT isn't completely out of the question.

He was being beat by Jermome McDougle in camp, he was being beat by everyone in camp. I do not think he has the talent to play LT or RT.

[bhaarat316]

He was being beat by Jermome McDougle in camp, he was being beat by everyone in camp. I do not think he has the talent to play LT or RT.

where is the link for this

[eaglesfan_45]

I don't remember where I read it, it was on a blog but It happened and if I find it again I will post it. But then again it was a blog so, maybe it was a exaggeration. But I wouldn't be suprised, especially after the Giants game. I'd imagine his confidence is shot down.

[eaglesalltheway]

He was being beat by Jermome McDougle in camp, he was being beat by everyone in camp. I do not think he has the talent to play LT or RT.

Once again, not true. I remember on the eagles site one of the wirters named him the offensive performer of the day. Don't beleive things you read on blogs. If your going to post things like that, check it out first to see if they are VALID. Don't just be a sheep and just single-mindedly agree and then spread the sheep sh*t.

[eaglesfan_45]

I'm not going to lie, and I am completely serious when I say this....

IMO, I think that the Eagles have a better d-line than the Giants. I think the Eagles are better at DE as well.

I think the Giants are going to feel the loss of Strahan, alot. Everyone says oh, well the Giants have Tuck to replace Strahan. Thats all fine and dandy but who replaces Tuck?

On the other hand you've got the Eagles, who are now stacked at DE.

Trent Cole = Osi Umenyiora
Victor Abiamiri < Justin Tuck
Chris Clemons > Wallace Gilberry
Jaqua Parker > Robert Henderson
Darren Howard > Renaldo Wynn
Bryan Smith > Dave Tollefson

Broderick Bunkley = Barry Cofield
Mike Patterson > Fred Robbins
Trevor Laws = Jay Alford
Montae Reagor > Rodney Leslie
Kimo Von Olheffen > Nate Robinson

Overall, the Eagles and Giants are pretty even at the top but the Eagles have better depth IMO. Of course all of this is on paper so, you never know how things are going to work out on the field when the game is on.

[bhaarat316]

We one of our DE turns into a good bull rusher then I'll be happy and well have better DEs/line then the giants

[eaglesalltheway]

I'm not going to lie, and I am completely serious when I say this....

IMO, I think that the Eagles have a better d-line than the Giants. I think the Eagles are better at DE as well.

I think the Giants are going to feel the loss of Strahan, alot. Everyone says oh, well the Giants have Tuck to replace Strahan. Thats all fine and dandy but who replaces Tuck?

On the other hand you've got the Eagles, who are now stacked at DE.

Trent Cole = Osi Umenyiora
Victor Abiamiri < Justin Tuck
Chris Clemons > Wallace Gilberry
Jaqua Parker > Robert Henderson
Darren Howard > Renaldo Wynn
Bryan Smith > Dave Tollefson

Broderick Bunkley = Barry Cofield
Mike Patterson > Fred Robbins
Trevor Laws = Jay Alford
Montae Reagor > Rodney Leslie
Kimo Von Olheffen > Nate Robinson

Overall, the Eagles and Giants are pretty even at the top but the Eagles have better depth IMO. Of course all of this is on paper so, you never know how things are going to work out on the field when the game is on.
Its hard to gauge guys who haven't played yet, so I would take Smith and Laws off of that list, even though Laws will be better than Alford, IMO. I'm a huge Penn State fan, so those are two examples of homerism negating eachother, haha. I agree with pretty much all on there except to be honest, I think Bunkley is better than Cofield and Cole is just a hair below Osi, but its nearly equal.

[Sniper]

Its hard to gauge guys who haven't played yet, so I would take Smith and Laws off of that list, even though Laws will be better than Alford, IMO. I'm a huge Penn State fan, so those are two examples of homerism negating eachother, haha. I agree with pretty much all on there except to be honest, I think Bunkley is better than Cofield and Cole is just a hair below Osi, but its nearly equal.

Bunkley is by far better than Cofield.

[eaglesalltheway]

Bunkley is by far better than Cofield.

There is no doubt about that at all in my mind.

[cunningham06]

I think Cole and Osi are equal, and if not I'd say that Cole is a hair above Osi. I was not all that impressed by Osi this season, his stats were just very inflated by getting to go up against Justice in that unmemorable game. AND don't forget that Osi had a legit threat in Strahan across from him, which Cole lacked, yet Trent Cole's production was great.

[eaglesfan_45]

I agree cunningham, also Cole is EXTREMELY underrated against the run.

[eaglesalltheway]

That is something that people forget about Cole. In fact Cole is for the Eagles what Jevon Kearse was SUPPOSED to be. Cole is great against the run, and much better than Osi. Yes his sack stats were a littel inflated for that one game, but two years ago he had a very solid year as well.