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Babylon
11-07-2007, 06:05 PM
I think he's been at Notre Dame since the Clinton administration(maybe he'll be around for the next one). I think two things,the safety position is a little sparse this year and it's hard to project them to the next level, most teams are pretty much just looking for cover guys and not guys that can actually tackle. Zibikowski is probably a 3rd round pick on paper but i think what could bump him up a round to round 2 is the fact he's one of the better punt returners around. Field position being key to winning ballgames i think that is a major plus for him.

Don Vito
11-07-2007, 06:09 PM
He is a 2nd/3rd round value as a safety, but his punt returning style won't make it in the NFL in my opinion. He runs straight ahead with less than spectacular speed and hasn't showed the elusiveness to make multiple people miss and change direction. Almost all of his big returns at ND were right up the gut and he was basically untouched. Solid college safety and PR, but probably won't be returning punts in the NFL.

Babylon
11-07-2007, 06:40 PM
He is a 2nd/3rd round value as a safety, but his punt returning style won't make it in the NFL in my opinion. He runs straight ahead with less than spectacular speed and hasn't showed the elusiveness to make multiple people miss and change direction. Almost all of his big returns at ND were right up the gut and he was basically untouched. Solid college safety and PR, but probably won't be returning punts in the NFL.

You may be right but remember he was a great runner out of highschool and his speed, which according to rocket scientist Pat Haden isnt all that great,is actually very good, i predict he'll run at least a 4.5 flat forty.When you are taking back punts against the likes of USC, Michigan and Tennessee you're legit.

mqtirishfan
11-07-2007, 06:57 PM
Trust me, his style won't work. The first time he tries to run up the gut on a punt return, a 250 pound ST specialist will murder him.

Babylon
11-07-2007, 07:13 PM
Trust me, his style won't work. The first time he tries to run up the gut on a punt return, a 250 pound ST specialist will murder him.


Try to make some sense ok, Wes Welker is a very good punt returner and he's probably 180 soaking wet, dont worry about Tommy Z.

mqtirishfan
11-07-2007, 07:19 PM
Try to make some sense ok, Wes Welker is a very good punt returner and he's probably 180 soaking wet, dont worry about Tommy Z.


Welker is quick and shifty. Tommy Z is not. Tell me the next time Welker tries to plow through NFL players on a punt return.

Average OT LB
11-07-2007, 07:35 PM
Try to make some sense ok, Wes Welker is a very good punt returner and he's probably 180 soaking wet, dont worry about Tommy Z.

haha when the guy said Tommys style was no good for the NFLi dont think he meant tommy was too big and strong for the job haha

and for that mattter i agree that i dont think Tom will return punts in the NFL. I just feel that in the NFL there are gonna be guys who are fast and shifty and do the job just as well. having a guy like Tom back there is settling. Btw im not hating on him, i love him and notre dame always have. I think hes a legit 2nd round safety and i hope the chargers go and get him.. i think hes perfect for our needs..

IrishBrowns
11-07-2007, 07:48 PM
He is a 2nd/3rd round value as a safety, but his punt returning style won't make it in the NFL in my opinion. He runs straight ahead with less than spectacular speed and hasn't showed the elusiveness to make multiple people miss and change direction. Almost all of his big returns at ND were right up the gut and he was basically untouched. Solid college safety and PR, but probably won't be returning punts in the NFL.



please go watch one of the best returners in the NFL....Josh Cribbs....almost identical return style as Tommy Z

TitanHope
11-07-2007, 08:00 PM
This has been questioned before, but what are the chances Zbikowski plays OLB in a Cover 2 defense? I don't pay much attention to ND, but it seems to be a consesus opinion that 'Z is a great tackler and poor in coverage. Not to mention, players like Cato June have transferred into LB in the NFL pretty nicely. I'm assuming his NFL niche will be SS or OLB in a Cover 2.

BUTerriers
11-08-2007, 10:54 AM
This has been questioned before, but what are the chances Zbikowski plays OLB in a Cover 2 defense? I don't pay much attention to ND, but it seems to be a consesus opinion that 'Z is a great tackler and poor in coverage. Not to mention, players like Cato June have transferred into LB in the NFL pretty nicely. I'm assuming his NFL niche will be SS or OLB in a Cover 2.

I think there's a possibility of him making the switch. The problem is that it seems like he has maxed out his size, and I think that teams would prefer him to gain 10-20 lbs. to play LB. I think he can be a Larry Izzo-type Pro Bowler on special teams though, even if he doesn't fit great at either safety or LB in the pros.

dabears10
11-08-2007, 10:59 AM
This has been questioned before, but what are the chances Zbikowski plays OLB in a Cover 2 defense? I don't pay much attention to ND, but it seems to be a consesus opinion that 'Z is a great tackler and poor in coverage. Not to mention, players like Cato June have transferred into LB in the NFL pretty nicely. I'm assuming his NFL niche will be SS or OLB in a Cover 2.

Not a great tackler, a great hitter, not a great tackler. He's wrapped up a little better this year but still needs to focus on taking the guy down rather than hitting him as hard as possible. Still needs to work on his Angles to ball carriers too.

Scotty D
11-08-2007, 12:17 PM
please go watch one of the best returners in the NFL....Josh Cribbs....almost identical return style as Tommy Z

This was just funny to me because of your user name. Cribbs is an awesome return man though.

Jughead10
11-08-2007, 12:24 PM
I think there's a possibility of him making the switch. The problem is that it seems like he has maxed out his size, and I think that teams would prefer him to gain 10-20 lbs. to play LB. I think he can be a Larry Izzo-type Pro Bowler on special teams though, even if he doesn't fit great at either safety or LB in the pros.

I don't think he has maxed out his size. I just don't know who his speed will be effected by weight gain. I believe he put on weight for his pro boxing match last year.

no love
11-08-2007, 01:51 PM
He's got good physical tools but I think he drops like a rock on draft day. Similar situation to guys like Darnell Bing, Brandon Bowner, Greg Blue, or he gets drafted on day one and becomes a guy like Lamont Thompson, great size and tools but too inconsistent and gets burned way to much to be a reliable starter.

You can get away with 4.5 speed at safety. But you CANNOT get away with taking inconsistent angles. The NFL is all about taking proper angles the ball carrier, unless you have unreal speed people in the NFL are just too fast.

He is going to have to be put in a system where he can either be an in-the box safety or maybe the situational extra DB in big-nickel packages so he can play a position closer to the line covering short zone and stopping the run.

Freddy G
11-08-2007, 02:56 PM
I love his attitude, intensity, and toughness. He is the type of guy you want on your team, however, he is kind of like a poor mans Roy Williams. Where, he is an excellent tackler, but awful coverage man. I predict he will be picked in the 3rd-4th round range and make an excellent special teamer and depending on the scheme a solid safety (possibly starting, but more than likely a special package player, maybe a nickel specialist like Brodney Pool and Leon Williams have been for the browns).

Jughead10
11-08-2007, 02:57 PM
I love his attitude, intensity, and toughness. He is the type of guy you want on your team, however, he is kind of like a poor mans Roy Williams. Where, he is an excellent tackler, but awful coverage man. I predict he will be picked in the 3rd-4th round range and make an excellent special teamer and depending on the scheme a solid safety (possibly starting, but more than likely a special package player, maybe a nickel specialist like Brodney Pool and Leon Williams have been for the browns).

Brodney Pool doesn't start? Who starts at safety for you guys? Sean Jones and ?.

Freddy G
11-08-2007, 03:10 PM
Yeah Pool starts this year, but last he was our nickel specialist before injuries forced him to start at CB (where he should still be, i digress).

Michigan
11-08-2007, 03:11 PM
wow. since when was Zibby considered a "great" tackler? he does hit hard, but he misses WAY too many tackles to be considerd "great". 4th rounder imo.

SchizophrenicBatman
11-08-2007, 03:44 PM
He won't be drafted day 1

And by day 1 I mean the old rules where round 3 was part of the first day

He's the next in the line of Bing/Shazor/etc

luckyjackaubrey
11-09-2007, 07:26 AM
TB is one of those college stars that don't measure up on paper when talking about moving up to the next level. I have been a fan of his for a long time. I am sure a great deal of us who are hoping he does succeed are doing so because of the emotion he plays with an the fact he always seems to make the big play. He may not measure up size / speed / skill wise but many players have gone on to be good pros with less than perfect measurables.

I would love to see him on the Patriots. There would be opportunity to play with some moves coming regarding Harrison and Wilson in the coming years, but no pressure to jump in and be am impact player ASAP. I see him as a mid round pick.

nhlkdog411
11-09-2007, 10:59 AM
so the guy who ran a 4.4 coming out of high school suddenly doesn't have good measurables? Sure he has flaws in coverage but its certainly not a result of speed problems.

no love
11-09-2007, 02:02 PM
Well he looks rather stiff in coverage and is not that fluid. I think he is a fine athlete, but just doesn't get football yet. Maybe he will, maybe he won't, but history points towards the ladder.

nobodyinparticular
11-09-2007, 02:10 PM
If he were built thicker, I would say this his tools translate more to a move to MLB along the lines of Urlacher than OLB. However he just doesn't have the bulk or the build to add that much weight on. I think he's a 'tweener who just won't pan out in the NFL. He's basically a really poor man's Roy Williams. Dirt poor.

Michigan
11-09-2007, 02:49 PM
so the guy who ran a 4.4 coming out of high school suddenly doesn't have good measurables? Sure he has flaws in coverage but its certainly not a result of speed problems.

everyone "ran" a 4.4 coming out of high school

Don Vito
11-09-2007, 02:51 PM
so the guy who ran a 4.4 coming out of high school suddenly doesn't have good measurables? Sure he has flaws in coverage but its certainly not a result of speed problems.

He unofficially ran a 4.4. He is athletic but he probably won't run a 4.4 come April. Like so, so many prospects Kai Parham "ran a 4.4 out of high school" then blew scouts away in Indy with a blazing 5.1 or something. Don't believe everything you see on rivals.

nhlkdog411
11-10-2007, 01:23 PM
ok well he also finished 6th at his state's highschool track meet in the 100 meters and his notre dame bio has his 100 meter time coming out of highschool as 10.4..thats what reggie bush ran so someone tell me gain how he lacks speed?

SchizophrenicBatman
11-10-2007, 06:40 PM
Straight line speed doesn't matter, I wonder how his 3-cone drills and such will look. No one is denying that he's a great athlete; he's a freaking boxer. But he's not a good NFL prospect. If he can overcome the critics and have a successful career like a Dumervil more power to him but the odds are stacked against

jared
11-10-2007, 06:44 PM
When I've watched him play (mostly last year, ND is too putrid to watch this year), he seemed to be frequently chasing players down from behind. He's plenty fast, I predict he runs in the 4.45 range. I think ND defensive scheme has called for him to be near the LOS a lot and so he doesn't deserve as much of the bad rap he gets for blown coverages (at least last year). His instincts may not be great but he has all the physical tools. I think he'll go 3rd round.

neko4
11-10-2007, 06:44 PM
He has quick feet i suppose (since he is a boxer) so thats a plus. I think he'll have a huge combine and it could boost him into the middle of the 2nd, but unless he tears it up these last 3 games and has a great senior bowl he wont be a first.

Babylon
11-10-2007, 06:59 PM
When I've watched him play (mostly last year, ND is too putrid to watch this year), he seemed to be frequently chasing players down from behind. He's plenty fast, I predict he runs in the 4.45 range. I think ND defensive scheme has called for him to be near the LOS a lot and so he doesn't deserve as much of the bad rap he gets for blown coverages (at least last year). His instincts may not be great but he has all the physical tools. I think he'll go 3rd round.

I cant disagree.

dabears10
11-11-2007, 10:15 AM
When I've watched him play (mostly last year, ND is too putrid to watch this year), he seemed to be frequently chasing players down from behind. He's plenty fast, I predict he runs in the 4.45 range. I think ND defensive scheme has called for him to be near the LOS a lot and so he doesn't deserve as much of the bad rap he gets for blown coverages (at least last year). His instincts may not be great but he has all the physical tools. I think he'll go 3rd round.

I disagree. Most of the time they would actually have Ndukwe being more around the LOS and Zbi back playing center field. It is unnatural for him to do that.

I'd like to compare him to Archuleta.

nhlkdog411
11-11-2007, 12:29 PM
archuleta is actually a very good comparison they are both in the box safeties who have great speed (archuleta ran in the 4.3s coming out before anyone gets on me for this) but yet suck something awful in coverage.

Babylon
11-11-2007, 12:40 PM
archuleta is actually a very good comparison they are both in the box safeties who have great speed (archuleta ran in the 4.3s coming out before anyone gets on me for this) but yet suck something awful in coverage.


Archuleta ran a 4.3?

nhlkdog411
11-11-2007, 05:30 PM
http://archive.profootballweekly.com/content/archives2001/features_2001/nawrocki_061901.asp

4.42 at the combine
4.37 personal workout
39 inch vert