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bigbluedefense
11-08-2007, 01:33 PM
The Cowboys/Giants game this Sunday is definitely the biggest game of the season for both teams. This game can change the scope of NFC, or can reaffirm our current view on how it should shape out. Even though we both met in Week 1, a lot has changed since that meeting between both teams. However, a lot has also remained the same. Regardless of the outcome, there will be a lot of overreaction to this game and weíll surely have huge discussions on it. Letís break it down.

WHATíS CHANGED

Giants

- The biggest change on the Giants side is in the secondary. Both McQuarters and Webster started the first game. Those 2 guys are currently our #4 and #5 CBs on our depth chart. Think about that. Weíre not exactly the deepest team at CB, so to have essentially our 4 and 5 play the Cowboys in week 1 says a lot. In their place however, wonít be exactly Champ Bailey and Deion Sanders. Weíll start Sam Madison and Aaron Ross. Madison is light years better than McQuarters, but still shouldnít be able to hold up against TO. And while Ross is having an amazing season and is a viable DROY, heís still a rookie. And you canít trust rookies to play like vets at critical moments. If it happens, great. But you canít go into a game of this magnitude expecting Ross to continue his brilliance. Rookies make rookie mistakes. Heís our best CB, but still a rookie.

- Osi Umenyiora should play the whole game and not one snap, and Strahan is in football shape now. In week 1, we essentially played without our 2 best pass rushers. Strahan was clearly not in shape, and Osi was out on the first play. For a team that lives and dies with pressure, that changes a lot. They should be ready this game, and our 4 Ace nickel package will be a lot stronger than what we threw at Dallas in week1. The pass rush should be much improved.

- Kiwi will not be in man coverage with Witten, and wonít be an LB in our nickel. Kiwi and our use of him has changed a lot since game 1. In our nickel he plays UT now, so he wonít be a coverage liability on 3rd down like he was against the Boys in the first game. And he wonít have any man coverage responsibilities. The Giants now use a lot of Cover 2 in the base 4-3 to minimize his deficiences in coverage, then go all out with our nickel packages and bring the heat on 3rd down. Weíll go into schemes in more detail later.

- Like I eluded to earlier, the scheme has changed since week 1. Just like the Cowboys, Spags has adjusted his scheme to fit our personnel better. In week 1, he brought in basically the same scheme the Eagles run. Clearly, weíre not good enough in the secondary to run that scheme, and with so much Cover 0/1 we got torched badly. So now we run a lot of Cover 2 in the base, however, we do bring a lot of his blitz packages in our nickel defense. But not on every 3rd down. Our front 4 pressure in the nickel is so good we can still only rush 4 and get good pressure. He mixes it up on 3rd down so donít expect the ridiculously success rate that Dallas had on 3rd to happen again. Not at that rate you saw the first time at least.

- Brandon Jacobs will play more, or should at least. He introduces a different running style to Ward, and can wear a defense down. Since heís been back, he has a great YPC average, I believe 2nd to only AD, and has been a great workhorse. Heíll change the dynamic of the rushing attack compared to the first game. Dallas still should do well against him, but what he brings that Ward doesnít is the ability to wear down a defense over 4 quarters.

- Our slot WR is a question mark so far. We donít know if Steve Smith will play. Heís our only reliable slot WR, and quite frankly, we need our slot to come up huge. Our 3 WR set is critical to win this game, and without a reliable slot, we might not be able to take advantage of the coverages weíll get from Dallas.

- Plaxico Burress is not 100%. In fact, he probably wonít be for the entire season. He canít even practice, and just shows up to the game. I doubt he has the same impact he had in the first game. There will be a lack of chemistry with Eli, and he simply isnít getting off the ball quickly enough. And he has Newman covering him this time.

Dallas

- Like the Giants, a lot has changed with Dallas as well. And like the Giants, most of that change is on the defensive side of the ball.

- First and foremost, Terrance Newman is playing in this game. That changes a lot because he is a shutdown CB. Donít expect a hobbled Plaxico to shred their pass defense the way he did in week 1 with this guy on him. Chances are heíll take on Plax, and weíll see a lot of coverages directed at taking Shockey out since Newman can be relied upon against Plax.

- Roy Williams will only play ďsafetyĒ in the base 3-4. Wade had him playing safety in the first game and he got shredded in that role. Now on obvious passing downs heís essentially demoted to LB responsibilities and they come out with Watkins and Hamlin at safety. The teamís pass defense has improved because of it, because you canít isolate and expose Roy Williams in coverage like you used to. However, because they have Roy playing Rover now, you canít do as much Man coverage as Wade wants to, and exposes the sidelines deep. This however, is something they feel comfortable with. Do the Giants have anyone who can punish them with this coverage? No, not really. This is where Sinoriceís bumb ass would come in handy, but heís invisible out there.

- Tank Johnson will get some reps at NT. Donít expect his impact to be huge in this game however. Heís probably not in football shape yet, it usually takes around 3 games to get in football shape. But having him does give Ratliff a breather once in awhile, and that in itself will help.

- It seems as if Greg Ellis will be starting instead of Spencer. To me personally, thatís an advantage for the Giants. Spencer was better in coverage, faster, and just as stoute against the run. He was the thorn in our behind in week 1. Heís the one who also injured Eli (a horsecollar by the way). Heís also a better fit for Wadeís scheme on the traditional ďweaksideĒ (Wadeís strongside).

- The Cowboys seem to blitz less than the first game. At least thatís what I saw during the couple of games Ive gotten to see this season. I think Wade has also pulled in the reigns a little to adjust to his current personnel just like Spags did.


WHATS THE SAME

- Essentially both offenses. The only change will be Jacobs for the Giants. And Diehl being more adjusted to playing LT. The Cowboys offense has been a train that hasnít slowed down. No changes really personnel wise or scheme wise on their part.

- Roy Williams can still be a liability in coverage. The key is spreading out the Dallas defense. That has been the blueprint against their front, and will continue to be. They use a lot of dime now, but a good 3 WR set can take advantage of Reeves and Roy Williams. The key is that slot WR, he is critical in exposing their weaknesses.

- The Giants still have no one who can cover the TE, and Witten will still get his. We havenít gone against a passing attack like Dallas sinceÖwell, since Dallas. While we have reduced the impact of the TE in weeks past, we still have no answer for a guy of Wittenís caliber. Heíll still shred us.

- The Cowboys still overmatch our defense personnel wise as a whole. We have small average DTs who should get mauled by the Dallas oline, and we donít have the coverage to hold up against their dominant passing attack. We have pressure, and weíll live and die with it. Thatís basically what it comes down to for us.

- Both olines are very good. Very different in philosophy, but both very effective. I personally have the Dallas oline as the 2nd best in the league, and the Giants oline as the 5th best. Dallas overpowers you with big strong guys, who just move you out of the way. The Giants use smaller quicker guys who pull and use athleticism. Very different philosophies, but both very effective. People are sleeping on how well Shaun OHara has played this season. The Giants oline as a whole reminds me of the Patriots oline in a sense that theres no star caliber player (other than Mankins/Snee comparo ) but they both just work really really well together as a unit.


Eh, I was thinking about breaking down exact details of each defensive scheme and what the offenses might do to take advantage of it, but this writeup is long enough, I doubt this even fits in one post as is, so letís leave it at that.

PREDICTION

The Cowboys should win this game. I donít think enough has changed to give the Giants the edge in this game. That doesnít mean that the Giants donít have a chance, it just means that Dallas should win based on what Ive observed over the past 8 weeks. Im not gonna guess the score, but I doubt the score will be as high as the first time. This is a huge game for Giants fans. What Im taking out of this game is, how legit are we really? Are we a legitimate contender for the NFC? Or are we a wildcard team that will most likely be one and done in the playoffs? Weíll find out on Sunday. And can anyone stop the Cowboys? If they win this game, theyre the clear SB favorite in my eyes out of the NFC. Im sure myself as well as everyone else will overreact to this game, but you canít help but do so sometimes. So im calling it now, I probably will overreact to the outcome of this game.

Share your thoughts. And thanks for spending the time to read this.

bigbluedefense
11-08-2007, 01:58 PM
Aaah, screw it. The Giants are winning 24-21.


GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO G-Men :D

Jughead10
11-08-2007, 02:10 PM
Plax wasn't 100% for the first game either. I don't think he has practiced once all season (except a little yesterday) and has missed all but the first week of training camp.

JJJ888
11-08-2007, 02:15 PM
I see the Giants winning this game on the strength of a defensive touchdown. At some point, or at many points, that pass rush is going to get to Romo, and Romo may make a poor decision or hang the football as he has done in the past. Yes the Cowboys will be able to neutralize the rush for most of the game, especially if they use Julius Jones effectively on the draw play and quick strike passes to Terrell Owens, but the Giants will get to Romo. It will be up to Dallas' defense to keep the game close, so that the Cowboys don't have to get into a slinging match and can give the Giants line a steady dose of Julius Jones and Marion Barber, along with taking advantage of the Giants coverage with throws to Owens and Witten.

Giants 34-24.

bigbluedefense
11-08-2007, 02:21 PM
Plax wasn't 100% for the first game either. I don't think he has practiced once all season (except a little yesterday) and has missed all but the first week of training camp.

But his condition isn't any better now. Its probably worse. Throw in Terrance Newman who's always done a good job on whoever he covers against the Giants, and chances are we're not gonna get great production out of him.

Shockey is gonna have to come up big for us. Theres no way Wade is gonna let Burress do that to him twice.

Jughead10
11-08-2007, 02:25 PM
But his condition isn't any better now. Its probably worse. Throw in Terrance Newman who's always done a good job on whoever he covers against the Giants, and chances are we're not gonna get great production out of him.

Shockey is gonna have to come up big for us. Theres no way Wade is gonna let Burress do that to him twice.

I dunno about his condition not being any better. Word is that Plax basically get healthy in time enough to play, and then has to get treatment all week after a game for the swelling to go down in his ankle. There was no game this past weekend. And Plax actually did practice a little bit for the first time all season yesterday so it has to be feeling a little better this week compared to others.

I'm obviously not counting on 3 TDs because that is hard to get regardless, and like you said Newman is back. But the injury isn't really a concern to me. Especially not after the bye.

bigbluedefense
11-08-2007, 02:25 PM
I see the Giants winning this game on the strength of a defensive touchdown. At some point, or at many points, that pass rush is going to get to Romo, and Romo may make a poor decision or hang the football as he has done in the past. Yes the Cowboys will be able to neutralize the rush for most of the game, especially if they use Julius Jones effectively on the draw play and quick strike passes to Terrell Owens, but the Giants will get to Romo. It will be up to Dallas' defense to keep the game close, so that the Cowboys don't have to get into a slinging match and can give the Giants line a steady dose of Julius Jones and Marion Barber, along with taking advantage of the Giants coverage with throws to Owens and Witten.

Giants 34-24.

What it comes down to in my eyes is, I think Dallas has a better chance of slowing us down than vice versa. But I do feel that both offenses will be slowed down compared to last time. Theres no way it gets that out of control again.

Especially at windy Giants stadium. Weather could play a role in this too. That X factor is something we often overlook.

bigbluedefense
11-08-2007, 02:26 PM
I dunno about his condition not being any better. Word is that Plax basically get healthy in time enough to play, and then has to get treatment all week after a game for the swelling to go down in his ankle. There was no game this past weekend. And Plax actually did practice a little bit for the first time all season yesterday so it has to be feeling a little better this week compared to others.

I'm obviously not counting on 3 TDs because that is hard to get regardless, and like you said Newman is back. But the injury isn't really a concern to me. Especially not after the bye.

I hope so. Any updates on Smith? He's the guy Im most interested in. I think we need him real bad for this game.

pocketaces
11-08-2007, 02:38 PM
BBD great writeup. I enjoyed the read and think your dead on in your analysis. Hopefully we can out score you because I still see it being high scoring. Boys 31-27.

Jughead10
11-08-2007, 02:54 PM
I hope so. Any updates on Smith? He's the guy Im most interested in. I think we need him real bad for this game.

Nope I know he didn't practice yesterday because of his hammy. Thats all I know.

Also we'll see what happens, but the Giants want everyone going to the game to where Red this week. We'll see how well of a turnout they get for that. If the majority of people do it, it might screw with the Cowboys offense a bit with the defense in red as well as the entire crowd.

cowboysforever
11-08-2007, 03:00 PM
I will be there kiddos. Got the confirmation today. Luxury Boxes courtsey greedy corporation. It is good to know people who know people when you are a nobody!!!!

I am psyched -- except for that horrid traffice getting out of the lot. Cowboys 45 - Giants 24.

BBD, it is all about Brandon/Oline for the Giants IMHO. That D will give up points.

For the Cowboys it is all about Romo's play in the wind. THe D will be fine unless Jacobs tears up the undersized NTs.

Jughead10
11-08-2007, 03:04 PM
I will be there kiddos. Got the confirmation today. Luxury Boxes courtsey greedy corporation. It is good to know people who knwo people!!!! I am psyched -- except for that horrid traffice getting out of the lot.

Cowboys 45 - Giants 24.

Not a fan of the luxury boxes. At least not the ones at Giants Stadium, although they are the only ones I've experienced. I hardly felt like I was at the game when I sat in them.

cowboysforever
11-08-2007, 03:24 PM
Not a fan of the luxury boxes. At least not the ones at Giants Stadium, although they are the only ones I've experienced. I hardly felt like I was at the game when I sat in them.

Yes, but it is warm, seats are free, liqour is free and the food is free.

Getting there is pricey enuff for a loser like me.

pocketaces
11-08-2007, 03:30 PM
I will be there kiddos. Got the confirmation today. Luxury Boxes courtsey greedy corporation. It is good to know people who know people when you are a nobody!!!!

I am psyched -- except for that horrid traffice getting out of the lot. Cowboys 45 - Giants 24.

BBD, it is all about Brandon/Oline for the Giants IMHO. That D will give up points.

For the Cowboys it is all about Romo's play in the wind. THe D will be fine unless Jacobs tears up the undersized NTs.


I understand your worries about Romo in the wind/bad weather but did you see Eli in London? I think we have the superior Q.B. regardless of the conditions.

cowboysforever
11-08-2007, 03:41 PM
I understand your worries about Romo in the wind/bad weather but did you see Eli in London? I think we have the superior Q.B. regardless of the conditions.

I understand and agree but we run more on Romo than the GMen on Eli.

Eli can have a horrid game and throw up two alley oop passes to Plax, pound Jacobs and Ward 40 time and win a game.

We need to be more precise offensively to win.

Looking forward to the trip and game.

bigbluedefense
11-08-2007, 04:03 PM
I understand and agree but we run more on Romo than the GMen on Eli.

Eli can have a horrid game and throw up two alley oop passes to Plax, pound Jacobs and Ward 40 time and win a game.

We need to be more precise offensively to win.

Looking forward to the trip and game.

Thats not true. The Giants rely on Eli just as much. When was the last time we ran it 40 times? I can't recall us doing that in damn near 4 years.

And Eli just doesn't lob it up to Burress, come on now. If thats the case, you can say the same thiing about alot of QBs, including Tom Brady.

If we win this game, Eli is gonna have to have a great game. Theres no way in hell we win this game if Eli has a poor game. No way.

cowboysforever
11-08-2007, 04:16 PM
Thats not true. The Giants rely on Eli just as much. When was the last time we ran it 40 times? I can't recall us doing that in damn near 4 years.

I am not saying you will. I am saying you can. We can not. We get in the end zone with precision -- not raw talent like Plax or Moss.

And Eli just doesn't lob it up to Burress, come on now.

I am not saying that is all he can do. I am saying that he can play poorly but connect to two Alley Oops passes and you score points. We can not do that.

If thats the case, you can say the same thiing about alot of QBs, including Tom Brady.

Well, what Moss did for Culpepper he is doing for Brady. Making him look good on throws which are usually picked or fall to the floor.

But, I am saying Brady is much better this year b/c they have a "throw away" play that works for 7. No one is open, Randy just runs as far as you can and wait for the ball.

G-Men have that with Eli and Plax. Be thankful.

If we win this game, Eli is gonna have to have a great game. Theres no way in hell we win this game if Eli has a poor game. No way.

Likely that for you to win he has to play well but definately not the only way. Romo, however, needs to play well for us to win on the Road versus quality teams like the GMen.

I can easily see wind and rain with Romo turning it over 4-5 times. Eli going under 50% completion rate with no picks and your RB duo going for 250 yards on 40 carries.

bigbluedefense
11-08-2007, 04:26 PM
I actually like Dallas's ground game against our front more than our ground game against your front.

Dallas is a better run stuffing unit. And your big powerful oline matches up real well withour undersized average DTs. I think Dallas can pound us if they wanted to.

We haven't been dominant against the run this year. You can move the ball between the tackles against our DTs. And we're vulnerable to cutback runs/reverses bc Kiwi as LB in our base 4-3 is susceptible to double moves.

SeanTaylorRIP
11-08-2007, 04:51 PM
I think boys take it easy.

Geo
11-08-2007, 05:48 PM
Excellent post, BBD. Beautiful. I'd give you more rep if the board allowed me to at the moment.

I'm leaning towards the Giants at home as my pick, although I have more faith in the leg of Nick Folk than that of Lawrence Tynes (this is the x-factor I wouldn't overlook). It's a division game at Giants stadium, I expect a close game, and I certainly don't expect the Cowboys to score 45 like they did in Week 1.

The starting corner duo of Madison & Ross is such a massive upgrade over Webster & McQuarters, I don't know if that can be stated enough. Terence Newman being healthy for the 'boys is also a boon, as is Anthony Henry being healthy enough to at least see nickel corner snaps.

I actually like Dallas's ground game against our front more than our ground game against your front.

Dallas is a better run stuffing unit. And your big powerful oline matches up real well withour undersized average DTs. I think Dallas can pound us if they wanted to.

We haven't been dominant against the run this year. You can move the ball between the tackles against our DTs. And we're vulnerable to cutback runs/reverses bc Kiwi as LB in our base 4-3 is susceptible to double moves.
I was thinking this very thing, I could very well see the Cowboys offensive line wearing down the Giants defensive front, allowing Marion Barber III and Julius Jones to be effective in the second half/ fourth quarter, assuming the Cowboys remain committed to the run. And that they are in position to pound the ball, say as opposed to being down two scores and putting pressure on their previously successful passing game to get them back.

bigbluedefense
11-08-2007, 06:24 PM
Excellent post, BBD. Beautiful. I'd give you more rep if the board allowed me to at the moment.

I'm leaning towards the Giants at home as my pick, although I have more faith in the leg of Nick Folk than that of Lawrence Tynes (this is the x-factor I wouldn't overlook). It's a division game at Giants stadium, I expect a close game, and I certainly don't expect the Cowboys to score 45 like they did in Week 1.

The starting corner duo of Madison & Ross is such a massive upgrade over Webster & McQuarters, I don't know if that can be stated enough. Terence Newman being healthy for the 'boys is also a boon, as is Anthony Henry being healthy enough to at least see nickel corner snaps.


I was thinking this very thing, I could very well see the Cowboys offensive line wearing down the Giants defensive front, allowing Marion Barber III and Julius Jones to be effective in the second half/ fourth quarter, assuming the Cowboys remain committed to the run. And that they are in position to pound the ball, say as opposed to being down two scores and putting pressure on their previously successful passing game to get them back.


Yes, our kicking situation is not good. Thats been an issue for awhile, and I hope and pray it doesn't bite us in the butt in this game. Im actually not too worried about containing Owens and Crayton. I think we'll do an ok job against them. Im not saying we'll shut them down, but we'll do an ok job.

Im worried about Witten. We still have no answer for Witten. We can try to put a CB on him, or come out with 3 safeties and put Michael Johnson on him but then we're weak against the run.

I wouldn't mind seeing a 3 safety set in our nickel though. I trust Johnson in man coverage with Witten more than I do Kawika Mitchell. We don't have to shut down Witten, just stop him on 3rd down. Dallas's success rate on 3rd down in the first game was literally around 85%.

If we can get it down to even 50%, I like our chances. Thats of course, considering we get them in 3rd down situations. But to me thats a major key for us, stopping them on 3rd down.

I wouldn't mind to see the Giants use a Bellichick type of gameplan, where we bait the Cowboys into running the ball on us. It could work. OC's are cocky. They want to throw the ball. If we can come out in passing fronts and bait them into running it, they'll score less, and eventually Garrett will get impatient and try to throw it.

osi+ap=allshallperish
11-08-2007, 10:24 PM
considering Dallas has some unnatural love julius jones their running attack doesn't worry me as much as it would if they just let The Barbarian run behind thief big oline right at our smaller d. Luckily they are suseptible to the "sean Payton" syndrome where they forgo the run to live up to their reputation as a passing powerhouse.

HEISMANHERSCHEL
11-08-2007, 11:04 PM
I would say this game comes down to two things for me. And they are interwoven into each other.

1) Quarterback play
2) Pass rush

I am really scared of this game. This may be over simplifying things too much, but the pass rush for both teams will determine everything.

I work with a huge Giants fan, and he was complaining at the beginning of the season about his team. I think the Giants are VERY solid. I really dont see what is not to like about them. They seem acceptable at almost every posistion (talent wise), have a good #1 wide receiver and can run the football.

They can pass rush with the best of them, period. That is enough for me to like what I see. Over simplification, yes. But that is what I think.

I do think the overall talent of the Cowboys is superior to the Giants. But the Giants pass rush is good, and Aaron Ross is a keeper.

Soooo.....I think whichever quarterback plays the best under the pass rush will lead his team to victory.

And that quarterback will be Romo. Cowboys 38, Giants24.

HOWEVER!!!! It would not suprise me to see the score reversed in the least.

I will now start to pray that my favorite (Roy Williams) will make a game changing play this week.

cowboysforever
11-08-2007, 11:13 PM
I will now start to pray that my favorite (Roy Williams) will make a game changing play this week.

Unfortunately, the probability is that is in favor of the GMen.

Time to put the autographed jersey on Ebay. In spite of the early career promise he is never going to the HOF.

cowboysforever
11-08-2007, 11:18 PM
I wouldn't mind to see the Giants use a Bellichick type of gameplan, ........


The Belichick gameplan is keep Romo in the pocket, take away the deep middle, and force him to either make his deep throws towards the sideline or his short throws in front of the LB and CB in zone.

It is the basic principal to the Saban/Belichick Pass D. Pack the middle and force it to the outside. If you can make the throws you will score.

How you think the Colts dogged them recently -- down and out once you get past the CB in zone covering the flats. 15 yards every time if you can make the throws and keep the CB/S honest with another pattern in the area.

THe other options to beat this D is get two WR who can get 30 yards downfield fast and attack the safeties before the rush gets there.........

D-Unit
11-09-2007, 02:29 AM
You know why this is a great show?

Because the NFL is all about MATCH UPS! Exploiting MATCH UPS. Welcome to the NFL Match Up! Ha ha... Gotta love that show!

Key Match Ups for the Cowboys:

1) Marc Columbo vs Michael Strahan. Columbo has been a quiet, unsung hero for the Cowboys this year. He doesn't get enough credit for the job he's done. He's not the greatest RT on the planet, but he's a feisty technician who has won most of his battles. His task is never easy against Strahan, but this is a key area of the game that will have consequences if Columbo loses more battles than he wins. Romo will get pressured on Sunday. That is undeniable. Smart teams know that they need to force Romo to scramble to his left, because when he rolls right, he makes things happen. Columbo needs to make sure Strahan isn't in the way.

2) Roy Williams vs Jeremy Shockey. Here's the thing I see between this match up. Shockey has the ability to exploit Roy, but the Giants this year seem to have decided to utilize Shockey as an extra blocker and/or decoy on the offense. I'm not a Giants fan, so I don't know if he's not a big part of the offensive game plan or if Eli doesn't trust him as much as his other receivers or if teams have found a way to take Shockey out... I don't know the answer. I do know that Shockey is not having the type of season many expected. Yes, he's improved weaknesses in his game from the blocking perspective, and he's still got that nasty attitude, but as far as an offensive threat, he just hasn't been that this year. If the Giants refuse to take advantage of his abilities, then Roy will look like he had another good game... on the way to another Pro Bowl year. ;) Shockey is the best threat the Giants can use against the Cowboys with the assumption that Newman does ok in covering Plax (no sure thing btw). I think Eli will make the mistake of trying to make Toomer their best weapon and Toomer will make plays that will frustrate Cowboys fans, but not enough to lead the Giants to a victory win.

3) I'm tired... finish this up later...

Turtlepower
11-09-2007, 02:34 AM
The Giants this year seem to have decided to utilize Shockey as an extra blocker and/or decoy on the offense.

Hit the nail on the head there. For some reason he is not used at all and would definitely be a huge threat this season. Ever since Coughlin became the HC, Shockey has seen less and less action as a receiver and more and more action as a decoy/blocker.

thule
11-09-2007, 02:41 AM
I'm still not sold on Newman playing Plax one-on-one. We run a RCB and LCB system this year. We trust our corners...with the latest reports on Henry it looks like he won't play base defense this week either. Basically it means that Henry will match up outside at RCB and Reeves at LCB in nickel/Dime. Which means Newman won't see Plax unless he is in the slot..I'm pretty sure the Giants hardly ever line him up here.

Reeves is extremely fast so look for him to sit back and read. If Plax lines up on the offenses right side...dallas won't move Newman over...he will be set up against Reeves....but this just means that Reeves will receive deep inside help. I don't care who you are...but shutdown cb's just don't exist. You play your best CB on the #2 WR and then you double to off side imo...that is the best way to win a battle.

I found it interesting that BBD said Ellis wasn't as effective as Spencer. Because that isn't close to true...with Ellis in the game we have seen a whole different blocking schemes used against us. Ellis doesn't see single teams. I wouldn't say he is exclusively doubled like Ware is...but he is chipped or helped out by a back a lot more than Spencer ever was. Ellis is also great at holding contain and reading the TE two things that Spencer really struggled at in game one. Ellis is a huge upgrade and will be a big factor in this game.

JJJ888
11-09-2007, 10:44 AM
I'm still not sold on Newman playing Plax one-on-one. We run a RCB and LCB system this year. We trust our corners...with the latest reports on Henry it looks like he won't play base defense this week either. Basically it means that Henry will match up outside at RCB and Reeves at LCB in nickel/Dime. Which means Newman won't see Plax unless he is in the slot..I'm pretty sure the Giants hardly ever line him up here.

Reeves is extremely fast so look for him to sit back and read. If Plax lines up on the offenses right side...dallas won't move Newman over...he will be set up against Reeves....but this just means that Reeves will receive deep inside help. I don't care who you are...but shutdown cb's just don't exist. You play your best CB on the #2 WR and then you double to off side imo...that is the best way to win a battle.

I found it interesting that BBD said Ellis wasn't as effective as Spencer. Because that isn't close to true...with Ellis in the game we have seen a whole different blocking schemes used against us. Ellis doesn't see single teams. I wouldn't say he is exclusively doubled like Ware is...but he is chipped or helped out by a back a lot more than Spencer ever was. Ellis is also great at holding contain and reading the TE two things that Spencer really struggled at in game one. Ellis is a huge upgrade and will be a big factor in this game.

I heartily agree on that point. Ellis has been far better this season, both in his pass rush and his run-stopping. He's struggled a bit in coverage, but in exchange he provides veteran leadership for the defense that it seemed to lack early on in the season.

bigbluedefense
11-09-2007, 11:41 AM
The Belichick gameplan is keep Romo in the pocket, take away the deep middle, and force him to either make his deep throws towards the sideline or his short throws in front of the LB and CB in zone.

It is the basic principal to the Saban/Belichick Pass D. Pack the middle and force it to the outside. If you can make the throws you will score.

How you think the Colts dogged them recently -- down and out once you get past the CB in zone covering the flats. 15 yards every time if you can make the throws and keep the CB/S honest with another pattern in the area.

THe other options to beat this D is get two WR who can get 30 yards downfield fast and attack the safeties before the rush gets there.........

I meant a Bellichick strategy referring to his strategies against the Bills in the SB and the Rams in the SB.

bigbluedefense
11-09-2007, 11:43 AM
I'm still not sold on Newman playing Plax one-on-one. We run a RCB and LCB system this year. We trust our corners...with the latest reports on Henry it looks like he won't play base defense this week either. Basically it means that Henry will match up outside at RCB and Reeves at LCB in nickel/Dime. Which means Newman won't see Plax unless he is in the slot..I'm pretty sure the Giants hardly ever line him up here.

Reeves is extremely fast so look for him to sit back and read. If Plax lines up on the offenses right side...dallas won't move Newman over...he will be set up against Reeves....but this just means that Reeves will receive deep inside help. I don't care who you are...but shutdown cb's just don't exist. You play your best CB on the #2 WR and then you double to off side imo...that is the best way to win a battle.

I found it interesting that BBD said Ellis wasn't as effective as Spencer. Because that isn't close to true...with Ellis in the game we have seen a whole different blocking schemes used against us. Ellis doesn't see single teams. I wouldn't say he is exclusively doubled like Ware is...but he is chipped or helped out by a back a lot more than Spencer ever was. Ellis is also great at holding contain and reading the TE two things that Spencer really struggled at in game one. Ellis is a huge upgrade and will be a big factor in this game.

I think if Newman doesn't cover Plax, that would be a mistake on Dallas's part. Thats an advantage for us in my eyes, I'll keep an eye on it.

My reasoning is this:

1. Diehl has more trouble with speed than power. Spencer provides more speed off the edge and it clearly gave Diehl some trouble the first time.

2. Ellis is not as good as Spencer in coverage. That could be an advantage for us.

3. From what Ive seen, I was impressed by Spencer. Now youve seen more than me, so I'll take your word for it, but physically I just felt that Spencer was the better option.

*shrug*

You know this defense much better than I do though, so I'll take your word for it.

FinChase
11-09-2007, 12:14 PM
I think if Newman doesn't cover Plax, that would be a mistake on Dallas's part. Thats an advantage for us in my eyes, I'll keep an eye on it.

My reasoning is this:

1. Diehl has more trouble with speed than power. Spencer provides more speed off the edge and it clearly gave Diehl some trouble the first time.

2. Ellis is not as good as Spencer in coverage. That could be an advantage for us.

3. From what Ive seen, I was impressed by Spencer. Now youve seen more than me, so I'll take your word for it, but physically I just felt that Spencer was the better option.

*shrug*

You know this defense much better than I do though, so I'll take your word for it.


I think Spencer's done pretty well-for a rookie. Greg Ellis, though, is one of those guys who doesn't get enough credit for how strong a pass rusher he really is.

thule
11-09-2007, 02:44 PM
I think if Newman doesn't cover Plax, that would be a mistake on Dallas's part. Thats an advantage for us in my eyes, I'll keep an eye on it.

My reasoning is this:

1. Diehl has more trouble with speed than power. Spencer provides more speed off the edge and it clearly gave Diehl some trouble the first time.

2. Ellis is not as good as Spencer in coverage. That could be an advantage for us.

3. From what Ive seen, I was impressed by Spencer. Now youve seen more than me, so I'll take your word for it, but physically I just felt that Spencer was the better option.

*shrug*

You know this defense much better than I do though, so I'll take your word for it.

I don't care if your Deion Sanders reincarnated....CB's can't effectively take a good WR out one on one anymore. You put Newman out on an island...against a number 1 WR there is going to be problems. Sure he could man up on a bad #1 WR like against the vikings...but really there is no reason to do this. Your basically asking him to play a perfect game...and if he doesn't then there is problems. By manning him up on Toomer...you now effectively take Mannings 2nd option out of the game...plus leave over the top/inside help to henry for him to gamble. Which is why I think you see Henry's INT numbers so high...he is put in a position to gamble whereas when Newman is in there he is asked to stay at home more. But like I said...we'll play sides...so if Plax is in the slot Newman will be on him...or if Shockey splits out to the slot he'll be on him...matching up one-on-one in todays NFL is just too dangerous. It's asking too much of your DB when the WR knows the routes and when the ball is going to be there...such a disadvantage.

The interesting thing with Ellis coming back is that since it has happened Ware and Ellis have been switching sides more...since Ellis knows both sides he can effectively move around...and leave Ware or himself with mismatches...this is something that wasn't able to be done with Spencer. And it's not because of Spencers abilities but just because he is a rookie and doesn't have the knowledge or the experience at this point.

While Ellis isn't a guy you want on Wes Welker...either is Anthony Spencer. I don't know how that got so screwed up against NE but props to them for exploiting it. While Spencer's athletic ability makes him a better matchup one on one with a TE or back....Ellis has the far superior awareness...he has been making plays in the passing game quite a bit as of late. He made a huge stop on Westbrook last week one on one on a third down...huge momentum swing for us. Ellis in a zone doesn't worry me.

Spencer is a great athlete don't get me wrong. But even Wade Phillips said in a press conference on Ellis's first start that Ellis was an upgrade at this point in the season...not to knock Spencer...but Ellis was simply just more ready to be an everydown player.

Also don't forget while Spencer doesn't play a lot in the base defense...he is our outside rusher when we switch to the nickel or Dime...and Ellis slips to the inside. Some the speed mismatch can still be exploited.

cowboysforever
11-09-2007, 04:29 PM
I would not be surprised to see Cowboys D in Dime with a little more beef than Roy.....

Ellis/Johnson/Ratliff/Spencer
Ware/Burnett
Newman/Reeves/Henry/Watkins/Hamlin

Burns336
11-09-2007, 04:48 PM
I would not be surprised to see Cowboys D in Dime with a little more beef than Roy.....

Ellis/Johnson/Ratliff/Spencer
Ware/Burnett
Newman/Reeves/Henry/Watkins/Hamlin
Wade loves rushing Ware way too much to move him into coverage in my opinion.... Unless you have him coming from the inside in this suggestion. I really wish we wouldn't rush him as much or we would start moving him around more like at the beginning of the season. It seems like a waste of his overall talent to just blitz blitz blitz everytime... but whatever, I guess everyone wants a merriman.

cowboysforever
11-09-2007, 05:21 PM
Wade loves rushing Ware way too much to move him into coverage in my opinion.... Unless you have him coming from the inside in this suggestion. I really wish we wouldn't rush him as much or we would start moving him around more like at the beginning of the season. It seems like a waste of his overall talent to just blitz blitz blitz everytime... but whatever, I guess everyone wants a merriman.

I love that lineup inup -- provides coverage, beef and blitz potential.

pocketaces
11-09-2007, 06:26 PM
I would not be surprised to see Cowboys D in Dime with a little more beef than Roy.....

Ellis/Johnson/Ratliff/Spencer
Ware/Burnett
Newman/Reeves/Henry/Watkins/Hamlin


LOL just keep praying/wishing to get him out of the lineup.

LSUALUM99
11-09-2007, 06:33 PM
If the Cowboys turn the ball over less than 2 times this game they win in a walk. The Giants' sack numbers (30 in 8 games) is very skewed. Take out the rediculous thrashing of the Eagles and you have 18 in 7 games. Their pass rush is comparable to Dallas' rush (21 in 8 games). Neither team is a hellhound on the pass rush but both teams are solid at rushing the passer.

Eli Manning is not appreciably better than he's been in the last two seasons (Sorry NYG fans, he is what he is. He's Mike Maddux to his brother's Greg Maddux). Manning is completing less than 60% of his passes, has less than a 1.5 TD/INT ratio and is averaging only 6.4 yards per attempt. Eli Manning is Drew Bledsoe (compare Bledsoe's career stats to Eli and you'll see they are the same player).

Romo's got a 100.0 rating for the season (which includes the disaster in Buffalo of 5 picks). He's playing at an exceptional level this year. TO is on pace for 12 TD's, 1400 yards and 85+ catches. And TO has been able to hold onto the ball this season.

I think at every position on offense, the Cowboys are superior to the NYG. WR, TE, QB, RB, and OL. On Defense I'm not sold on the NYG yet. I do think Aaron Ross is going to be a good CB for years to come but other than the sack totals, the NYG defense is pretty pedestrian.

I'm not normally a fan of taking out the best performance of the season when talking about a team or player. In reality, the best performance does count so it should be factored in. However, the NYG/Philly game was such an abberation that it grossly exaggerates the mean.

What I see is a game that if the Turnovers are <2 for the Cowboys they win 35-21. If Romo turns the ball over more than 2 times then the G-Men have a legitimate shot at the win. If the 'Boys turn it over 2 times then it's close. 28-24 'Boys.

cowboysforever
11-09-2007, 07:06 PM
LOL just keep praying/wishing to get him out of the lineup.

I always want the team to get better. Don't you?

bigbluedefense
11-09-2007, 08:55 PM
If the Cowboys turn the ball over less than 2 times this game they win in a walk. The Giants' sack numbers (30 in 8 games) is very skewed. Take out the rediculous thrashing of the Eagles and you have 18 in 7 games. Their pass rush is comparable to Dallas' rush (21 in 8 games). Neither team is a hellhound on the pass rush but both teams are solid at rushing the passer.

Eli Manning is not appreciably better than he's been in the last two seasons (Sorry NYG fans, he is what he is. He's Mike Maddux to his brother's Greg Maddux). Manning is completing less than 60% of his passes, has less than a 1.5 TD/INT ratio and is averaging only 6.4 yards per attempt. Eli Manning is Drew Bledsoe (compare Bledsoe's career stats to Eli and you'll see they are the same player).

Romo's got a 100.0 rating for the season (which includes the disaster in Buffalo of 5 picks). He's playing at an exceptional level this year. TO is on pace for 12 TD's, 1400 yards and 85+ catches. And TO has been able to hold onto the ball this season.

I think at every position on offense, the Cowboys are superior to the NYG. WR, TE, QB, RB, and OL. On Defense I'm not sold on the NYG yet. I do think Aaron Ross is going to be a good CB for years to come but other than the sack totals, the NYG defense is pretty pedestrian.

I'm not normally a fan of taking out the best performance of the season when talking about a team or player. In reality, the best performance does count so it should be factored in. However, the NYG/Philly game was such an abberation that it grossly exaggerates the mean.

What I see is a game that if the Turnovers are <2 for the Cowboys they win 35-21. If Romo turns the ball over more than 2 times then the G-Men have a legitimate shot at the win. If the 'Boys turn it over 2 times then it's close. 28-24 'Boys.

This is a perfect example though of why I hate using numbers as justification of this or that. They don't tell the whole truth. If you see the Giants games, while the sack #s dipped after that Eagles game, our pass rush has continuously gotten to the qb. We have a ton of qb hurries, and we should actually have even more sacks than we do, but poor tackling led to some errant throws instead.

I don't think theres any question that we have the superior pass rush. Just watch them play and you can see it, forget the numbers.

However, like you said, thats really all we bank on defensively. We don't have great skill position players in the back 7 outside of Ross. We live and die with our pass rush, thats really all there is to it. If we get there, we have a chance. If we don't, the Cowboys will score at will.

And let's be honest, Cowboy fans need to let go of the Drew Bledsoe comparisons. If Drew Bledsoe was even half of what Eli Manning is, he'd have a job right now. He doesn't. He's sitting home, and he's gonna break open a bag of popcorn and enjoy the game with the rest of us. Let's accept that fact, and move on.

I personally think our WR cores are a draw (factoring in Shockey and Witten as "receivers") but thats debateable. Toomer is better than Crayton, our slots are a wash, Burress and TO have been on par this season, Witten > Shockey. Its a wash to me.

bigbluedefense
11-09-2007, 08:58 PM
I don't care if your Deion Sanders reincarnated....CB's can't effectively take a good WR out one on one anymore. You put Newman out on an island...against a number 1 WR there is going to be problems. Sure he could man up on a bad #1 WR like against the vikings...but really there is no reason to do this. Your basically asking him to play a perfect game...and if he doesn't then there is problems. By manning him up on Toomer...you now effectively take Mannings 2nd option out of the game...plus leave over the top/inside help to henry for him to gamble. Which is why I think you see Henry's INT numbers so high...he is put in a position to gamble whereas when Newman is in there he is asked to stay at home more. But like I said...we'll play sides...so if Plax is in the slot Newman will be on him...or if Shockey splits out to the slot he'll be on him...matching up one-on-one in todays NFL is just too dangerous. It's asking too much of your DB when the WR knows the routes and when the ball is going to be there...such a disadvantage.

The interesting thing with Ellis coming back is that since it has happened Ware and Ellis have been switching sides more...since Ellis knows both sides he can effectively move around...and leave Ware or himself with mismatches...this is something that wasn't able to be done with Spencer. And it's not because of Spencers abilities but just because he is a rookie and doesn't have the knowledge or the experience at this point.

While Ellis isn't a guy you want on Wes Welker...either is Anthony Spencer. I don't know how that got so screwed up against NE but props to them for exploiting it. While Spencer's athletic ability makes him a better matchup one on one with a TE or back....Ellis has the far superior awareness...he has been making plays in the passing game quite a bit as of late. He made a huge stop on Westbrook last week one on one on a third down...huge momentum swing for us. Ellis in a zone doesn't worry me.

Spencer is a great athlete don't get me wrong. But even Wade Phillips said in a press conference on Ellis's first start that Ellis was an upgrade at this point in the season...not to knock Spencer...but Ellis was simply just more ready to be an everydown player.

Also don't forget while Spencer doesn't play a lot in the base defense...he is our outside rusher when we switch to the nickel or Dime...and Ellis slips to the inside. Some the speed mismatch can still be exploited.


Well, in Newman's defense, he has shut down Burress before. I just think that a team's best CB should be on the other team's best WR. And if necessary, give him help up top. You gotta worry about taking away a team's #1 WR before their #2. Thats just personal preference though.

I personally haven't been a fan of Right and Left CBs unless you have 2 elite CBs, which most teams don't. That just allows offenses to move around their pieces and isolate matchups in their favor.

Im gonna play close attention to what Dallas does defensively this game, Im still learning the ropes on how Wade operates. Its different from what Im accustomed to seeing out of a 3-4 front.

scottyboy
11-09-2007, 09:00 PM
the real deciding factor is the battle of Rutgers players

O'Hara>Nathan Jones, therefore, Giants win. final score being 31-23

bigbluedefense
11-09-2007, 09:03 PM
I think 2 unsung heros on both lines are Columbo for the Cowboys, and Shaun O'Hara for the Giants.

O'Hara has been playing great this season. Him and Columbo are similar in a sense that neither have great measurables, but both just seem to get the job done.

Modano
11-10-2007, 01:29 AM
I think Jason Garrett aka The Red Baron will come to throw the ball early in the game. He doesn't use the running game to wear down opposite teams, he uses the passing game to do that, so he can run with great success in the second half against a tired DL.

LSUALUM99
11-10-2007, 08:27 AM
BBD-

Honestly, it's not the Cowboy fans that need to let go of the Bledsoe comparisons, it's the NYG fans that need to realize that Eli is never going to be an elite QB.

(To be fair, Bledsoe was a good QB in this league, never elite, but still top 15 at any point in his career).

I've been asking for two years when the NYG fans will accept that about Eli. In Eli's third year all the NYG fans said 'this is the year to decide if he's got it or not'. When his stats and play was about the same as the year before the NYG fans said that he hadn't started enough games. Before this year the NYG fans said 'this is the year we'll find out about Eli' and it's half way over. Eli is putting up the same stats he always does.

BBD, you know that I am one of the Cowboy fans that loves Bill Parcells. I think what he did in Dallas was exceptional from a talent standpoint. I am one of the few that thinks his time here a a success. To that end, I also greatly enjoyed his press conferences and his insight to the game of football. Bill said on several occasions that 20 starts are the magic number for QB's. He even referenced Bill Walsh's comments on starts for QB's. That by the 20th start you have what you have. QB's do not get appreciably better after that in most cases.

I've posted the statistics of just about every major QB from the past 25 years on this sight showing that by the end of their third year (usually they have 20-25 starts by this point) they are what they are. NYG fans continue to delude themselves into thinking Eli will become a top 10 QB in this league.

(Again, to be fair, Cowboy fans continue to delude themselves that Roy Williams is a top 5 S in this league too).

osi+ap=allshallperish
11-10-2007, 10:02 AM
See there's your mistake. Now I don't think eli is a great QB, but it isn't because his stats are poor. His stats are poor because, with Killdrive at OC, Eli throws more deep passes than almost any other QB in the league, never do we get shockey and the slot involved with short and intermediate passes. So Eli's stats will always be tainted playing in this O. However Eli has shown that he throws an absolutely beautiful deep ball and he has shown in the past he can lead this team when it matters and he has support, with Tiki no longer undermining him and the coaching staff I would be surprised if we collapsed this year unless we again loss 5 of our top 6 players.

osi+ap=allshallperish
11-10-2007, 10:10 AM
As for the Game at Hand all I can say is this is going to be one hell of a game. I'm not worried about dallas running the ball on us because I'm pretty sure they'll focus on establishing the pass instead of just pounding our smaller Dline. So i think that we could see the 4 aces package coming in on 2nd and long more often and so I wouldn't be shocked if we kept Romo on the run all game. Unfortunately Romo is great at avoiding pressure and rolling out to his right, so strahan and however else will be on that side will have to make sure to contain romo. Witten is going to burn us, Witten is going to burn us repeatedly, until we start doubling him with Wilk and a safety. I think Ross will shutdown Crayton and Madison will be able to prevent TO from hooking up with romo deep as long as we give him safety help over top, which is why I am praying that James Butler isn't healthy enough to play. We need to have 11 defenders and not 10 plus Butler.

On O we will be able to run the ball on them but what happens when we have to pass to keep up? Well if Dallas doesn't keep Newman on Plax all game than I see Eli finding plax deep a few times, as plax is the healthiest he's been since like training camp. Unfortunately Killdrive hates throwing to Shockey so we won't be able to pick on Roy Williams as much but expect shockey to help contain Ware and that pass rush. I pray that this game doesn't come down to the kickers since Tynes is one of the worst in the nfl, unless this was all a trick by the coaching staff so that people think he sucks but really he's a werewolf, FROM THE FUTURE!!!

thule
11-10-2007, 03:29 PM
The funny thing about not worring about the running game is that we still run for 127 a game. So if you throw your ace package in dallas is going to run against you. If one thing has been changed from the start of the season to now..it is that Romo has been given more control at the LOS. He has been great at this...Witten only had 3 catches in the NE game...but they came back/back/back and it was because we caught NE in a bad defense...and Romo went no huddle and hit him 3 times in a row until we got a incomplete pass and they got a sub package on the field. Romo basically goes up to the line....reads how many guys are in the box and then decides which play to run. If you guys come out in a soft 7 front...we will run the ball and run it effectively.

D-Unit
11-10-2007, 04:25 PM
Throw all the numbers away. Throw all the past games away. This is a new game and will be a hard fought war on the field.

I've said my thoughts about Columbo vs Strahan and Roy vs Shockey...

Other key match ups I see on Sunday have to do with the Giants Four Aces Package. Right now the Giants defense has to be sitting on top of the world gleaming about their new found strength unique in today's NFL. But I believe the Cowboys have the talent to combat it.

RB blitz pick up
In one typical play, when the Giants call overload zone blitz, Tuck and Kiwi will slant hard to the right from the two middle DT positions drawing the pass protection towards the strong side while the blitz is going to come from the weakside. Tuck, will slant right and draw Gurode to his left. Strahan takes a wide rushing angle to his left drawing Columbo as far right as he can, to create as much space possible between Gurode going left and Columbo going right... in order to open up that gap for the blitz. That leaves the RG Leonard Davis in space with no one to block from the DL. Antonio Pierce and Aaron Ross (or a WLB) will simultaneously try to hit that gap...Pierce will get in Davis' face and Ross will try to slip by and get to Romo as fast as he can running through that gap. If who ever Dallas has lined up back there (Jones or Barber) doesn't pick up the blitz well enough, expect Romo to be in trouble fast. Now Davis has the ability to pick up both Pierce and Ross on occassion, but he's got to be aware and regardless that can't be counted on. So the RB will have to be extra ready to pick up the blitz.

Osi vs Witten
Now on the opposite side, Osi's assignment could be to drop back and cover Witten or rush the passer. If he rushes, he will either have a free path to Romo (since Kiwi slants around Flozell's left) or he'll draw the RB and the blitz pressure will have a free path to the QB. If Osi tries to cover Witten, Romo will have to diagnose the play quickly enough to get rid of the ball fast. This is where Witten will have an advantage over Osi, but he won't have much time before the zone coverage rolls over.

The pressure attack will be unlike any the Cowboys have faced this year. Their ability to handle it will determine the winner of this game.

In another type of blitz from the Four Aces Formation, Tuck and Kiwi will stunt on the interior. Osi takes a wide outside angle on the right and Strahan feigns an outside rush before dropping into coverage to cover the MB3 out of the backfield. At the same time Pierce and McQuarters blitz into opposite gaps. The interior twist by Tuck and Kiwi in addition to the heavy right side pressure will force the Cowboys OL to change blocking assignments on the fly. The confusion enables Pierce to reach the QB untouched. If the Cowboys aren't prepared to make adjustments to the Giants 4 Aces, it could be a long day.

Fortunately the Boys have the ability to counter. Romo is an above average scrambler, Witten can beat DE coverage, MB3 is a great blocker and JJ is an improving one. Cowboys have to think fast and smart and stay out of long yardage situations. Forget the draw. The Aces are all good run defenders.

thule
11-10-2007, 04:41 PM
I was under that assumption that when the aces package came in they tended just to drop 7 in coverage. Which was the point of getting 4 great rushers on the line. If they bring 5 or 6 guys, romo has been the most efficient QB in the league against the blitz. If this happens look for TO to go across the middle often....romo is good at getting the ball into the middle or flats against the blitz...so that doesn't worry me much.

scottyboy
11-10-2007, 04:43 PM
The funny thing about not worring about the running game is that we still run for 127 a game. So if you throw your ace package in dallas is going to run against you. If one thing has been changed from the start of the season to now..it is that Romo has been given more control at the LOS. He has been great at this...Witten only had 3 catches in the NE game...but they came back/back/back and it was because we caught NE in a bad defense...and Romo went no huddle and hit him 3 times in a row until we got a incomplete pass and they got a sub package on the field. Romo basically goes up to the line....reads how many guys are in the box and then decides which play to run. If you guys come out in a soft 7 front...we will run the ball and run it effectively.

Having the 4 aces package out against the run wouldn't lose much at all over Robbins and Cofield out there.

But damn, i do wish the giants had a BIG run stuffer to wreak havoc in the middle and hit barber early, and slow down jones in the backfield

osi+ap=allshallperish
11-10-2007, 06:31 PM
I was under that assumption that when the aces package came in they tended just to drop 7 in coverage. Which was the point of getting 4 great rushers on the line.

u'd think that spats has been hugely successful with creative blitzes and dline maneuvers out of the 4 aces package. We blitz a lot less in our base formation and rely more on stunts and twists to get to the QB.

As for the Dallas running game, I fear it very much, but I fear their passing game more and i get the feeling that garrett is more likely to give up on the run than the pass.

Number 10
11-10-2007, 10:02 PM
Something that is being overlooked-

Aaron Ross will be starting at CB, not Corey Webster.

Geo
11-10-2007, 10:14 PM
I'm sure this thread has already noted that Ross and Madison will start instead of Webster and McQuarters, which is to say a considerable improvement.

dc4life
11-10-2007, 10:15 PM
35-27 Dallas

bigbluedefense
11-10-2007, 10:25 PM
BBD-

Honestly, it's not the Cowboy fans that need to let go of the Bledsoe comparisons, it's the NYG fans that need to realize that Eli is never going to be an elite QB.

(To be fair, Bledsoe was a good QB in this league, never elite, but still top 15 at any point in his career).

I've been asking for two years when the NYG fans will accept that about Eli. In Eli's third year all the NYG fans said 'this is the year to decide if he's got it or not'. When his stats and play was about the same as the year before the NYG fans said that he hadn't started enough games. Before this year the NYG fans said 'this is the year we'll find out about Eli' and it's half way over. Eli is putting up the same stats he always does.

BBD, you know that I am one of the Cowboy fans that loves Bill Parcells. I think what he did in Dallas was exceptional from a talent standpoint. I am one of the few that thinks his time here a a success. To that end, I also greatly enjoyed his press conferences and his insight to the game of football. Bill said on several occasions that 20 starts are the magic number for QB's. He even referenced Bill Walsh's comments on starts for QB's. That by the 20th start you have what you have. QB's do not get appreciably better after that in most cases.

I've posted the statistics of just about every major QB from the past 25 years on this sight showing that by the end of their third year (usually they have 20-25 starts by this point) they are what they are. NYG fans continue to delude themselves into thinking Eli will become a top 10 QB in this league.

(Again, to be fair, Cowboy fans continue to delude themselves that Roy Williams is a top 5 S in this league too).


Im not directing my comments at you in particular, if I came off that way then my bad. It just erks me sometimes how I have to hear some comparos about Eli that just are a bit ridiculous. Ive heard people say Alex Smith is better, JP Lossman is better, Jason Campbell is better etc etc etc. And none of that is justified.

Im not saying Eli is a god, but people tend to paint the picture that he's a bad qb, and thats simply not true either. Is he elite? No. Will he ever be an elite qb? I don't know. But he doesn't suck like many people paint him as.

His problem is, and this may always be the case: consistency. He's too inconsistent. One quarter he's elite, the next...not so much. And thats whats been plaguing him. Will he ever gain consistency? I don't know. But even as he is now, he's not that bad.

Look at it from this perspective. I think its fair to say that the NJ area, and Chicago are the 2 hardest places to play quarterback. Between the Bears, Giants and Jets (2 of the 3 franchises are storied in this league for a looong time), how many franchise quarterbacks have there been?

Think about it. Maybe 3? Simms, Tittle, Namath, and god knows if Chicago ever had one.

Eli Manning is better than Phil Simms. While he may not be the greatest qb since sliced bread, he's the best we've seen in a long time wear Giant blue. This area is just not built for franchise qbs, its not. I can't even name any qb's that grew up around this area. New Jersey is a linebacker and RB assembly line, but qbs are scarce. So while he may not be the best, he's good enough to win for us, and while he has inconsistencies, he's brought consistency to this team that we've been missing since the Parcells era. We may be on our way (knock on wood) to 3 consecutive years with playoff appearances. And Eli is in his 4th year. We haven't had that kind of consistency in NY in a loooooooooooooong time.

So he can't be that bad. And I know you never said he was, Im just saying in general, he gets a bad break from most fans about his play, and I feel its unjustified.

Oh, and I do think Eli is a top 10 qb. Theres really not many qbs Id take over him quite honestly.

Geo
11-10-2007, 10:28 PM
The only person who could say Alex Smith is better is Alex Smith's mom.

bigbluedefense
11-10-2007, 10:34 PM
The only person who could say Alex Smith is better is Alex Smith's mom.

Ive heard worse, trust me. I usually just bite my tongue, but theres only so much a Giant fan can take lol.

I think Alex's mom would say that while crossing a finger :)

dc4life
11-11-2007, 06:16 PM
GG guys. It was very entertaining.

pocketaces
11-11-2007, 06:21 PM
Yeah very stupid penalties on both sides but this is a big time win for us, we are clearly the class of the NFC.

Number 10
11-11-2007, 06:26 PM
Good game Cowboys....

You got help from the refs but I won't say the Giants are better, not until we can stop you on 3rd down when it matters.

I think we'll meet second round of the playoffs.

bigbluedefense
11-11-2007, 06:32 PM
*copied and pasted from another thread*

The bottomline is Dallas is the better team. Plain and simple.

Our offense did their job. They played ugly with penalties, but they moved the ball well. The defense didn't do its job for the 2nd time. Can't expect to win shootouts every time.

The better team won. The Giants are a wildcard team. Anything can happen in the playoffs, but personnell wise, we're not there yet. We need some defensive upgrades.

In particular, CB.

Good game.

Achilles33
11-11-2007, 06:38 PM
Good game Cowboys....

You got help from the refs but I won't say the Giants are better, not until we can stop you on 3rd down when it matters.

I think we'll meet second round of the playoffs.

We got help from the refs? We had more penalty yardage buddy, check the stats. Cowboys had 10 penalties for 84 yards, Giants had 8 for 70. Not to mention the garbage call on Kevin Burnett. Like that doesn't happen on everyplay? Which let you tie the game and stop the Cowboys momentum. The refs kept you guys in the game, they didn't help us. They redeemed themselves for the Burnett call in the 2nd half I admit, but we had more penatlies for more yards, so please think of a better excuse.

Oh and nice game by Plaxico.

That a boy Terence. Pro-Bowl bound.

scottyboy
11-11-2007, 06:39 PM
We got help from the refs? We had more penalty yardage buddy, check the stats. Cowboys had 10 penalties for 84 yards, Giants had 8 for 70. Not to mention the garbage call on Kevin Burnett. Like that doesn't happen on everyplay? Which let you tie the game and stop the Cowboys momentum. The refs kept you guys in the game, they didn't help us. They redeemed themselves for the Burnett call in the 2nd half I admit, but we had more penatlies for more yards, so please think of a better excuse.

Oh and nice game by Plaxico.

That a boy Terence. Pro-Bowl bound.

without the picky holding call on snee, RD scores, ties it up and it's a whole new ball game.

thule
11-11-2007, 06:41 PM
Ref's had their fair share of sketchy calls going both ways....don't think you can justify it one way or another.

bigbluedefense
11-11-2007, 06:43 PM
Refs smefs. That was a wash. We lost this game because the defense gave up too many points. Bottomline.

bigbluedefense
11-11-2007, 06:45 PM
Oh and the Slot WR didn't play well. I knew we needed whoever that was to come up big since Burress would get taken out of the game, but it didn't happen.

Im all over the place with my analysis (posting in multiple threads), I'll make a full breakdown tomorrow or something.

scottyboy
11-11-2007, 06:47 PM
dallas did flat out play us in the 2nd half. too many big plays made by them and 3rd downs converted. weak defensive showing by the giants in the 2nd half

Number 10
11-11-2007, 06:47 PM
We got help from the refs? We had more penalty yardage buddy, check the stats. Cowboys had 10 penalties for 84 yards, Giants had 8 for 70. Not to mention the garbage call on Kevin Burnett. Like that doesn't happen on everyplay? Which let you tie the game and stop the Cowboys momentum. The refs kept you guys in the game, they didn't help us. They redeemed themselves for the Burnett call in the 2nd half I admit, but we had more penatlies for more yards, so please think of a better excuse.

Oh and nice game by Plaxico.

That a boy Terence. Pro-Bowl bound.

Do you think the holding penalty called on Boss on the kickoff return was justified?

Do you think the holding call on Snee was justified?

Did you notice where Romo threw the ball from on his first TD?

And I have seen taunting penalties such as the one called on Burnett EVERY WEEK.

bigbluedefense
11-11-2007, 06:48 PM
Do you think the holding penalty called on Boss on the kickoff return was justified?

Do you think the holding call on Snee was justified?

Did you notice where Romo threw the ball from on his first TD?

And I have seen taunting penalties such as the one called on Burnett EVERY WEEK.

Don't waste your time.

Number 10
11-11-2007, 06:48 PM
Oh and the Slot WR didn't play well. I knew we needed whoever that was to come up big since Burress would get taken out of the game, but it didn't happen.

Im all over the place with my analysis (posting in multiple threads), I'll make a full breakdown tomorrow or something.

I think Gilbride is struggling a little bit. He is head and shoulders above Hufnagel....but he hasn't used Moss correctly...which is sending him on cross routes. Instead he is sending him deep and I don't think Eli wants to throw deep to a 5'8 WR.

pocketaces
11-11-2007, 06:50 PM
Do you think the holding penalty called on Boss on the kickoff return was justified?

Do you think the holding call on Snee was justified?

Did you notice where Romo threw the ball from on his first TD?

And I have seen taunting penalties such as the one called on Burnett EVERY WEEK.

How about the 260 lb. running back getting a personal foul call from a tap from Brady...LMAO There were bad calls both ways, the best team won. (again)

Burns336
11-11-2007, 06:52 PM
Do you think the holding penalty called on Boss on the kickoff return was justified?

Do you think the holding call on Snee was justified?

Did you notice where Romo threw the ball from on his first TD?

And I have seen taunting penalties such as the one called on Burnett EVERY WEEK.
Snee almost took williams helmet off so im not sure how that is a phantom call?

Plus it went both ways, we had them early and you guys had them late.

James barely touched that guy on the giants who did a manu ginobli flop for the personal foul, and that taunting call could have been called on Jacobs numerous times as well as on owens and sam madison. Personally I thought it was a ******** call because you should either give it to everyone or no one.

As for the call on boss, it was a hold, it may not have had an impact on the play but it was a hold. Same thing happened to us against the pat's -- you cant complain about the refs, you can only blame your team for not being disciplined enough.

bigbluedefense
11-11-2007, 06:52 PM
I think Gilbride is struggling a little bit. He is head and shoulders above Hufnagel....but he hasn't used Moss correctly...which is sending him on cross routes. Instead he is sending him deep and I don't think Eli wants to throw deep to a 5'8 WR.

We can't ask him to run one route all game. Thats too one dimensional. He needs to get stronger, so he can shed the press.

Perhaps we're not using him as well as we should, but alot of his problems are his own fault as well.

bigbluedefense
11-11-2007, 06:53 PM
Like I said, we did NOT lose this game because of the refs.

Number 10
11-11-2007, 06:54 PM
Snee almost took williams helmet off so im not sure how that is a phantom call?

Plus it went both ways, we had them early and you guys had them late.

James barely touched that guy on the giants who did a manu ginobli flop for the personal foul, and that taunting call could have been called on Jacobs numerous times as well as on owens and sam madison. Personally I thought it was a ******** call because you should either give it to everyone or no one.

As for the call on boss, it was a hold, it may not have had an impact on the play but it was a hold. Same thing happened to us against the pat's -- you cant complain about the refs, you can only blame your team for not being disciplined enough.

Neither were holding penalties.

And for billionth time....I'm not saying the better team lost.

703SKINS202
11-11-2007, 07:17 PM
cowboys are definetly the better team, giants will make the wild card most likely though so maybe they get a 3rd shot

bigbluedefense
11-11-2007, 07:32 PM
I see 3 teams out of the NFC East making the playoffs.

The rest of the NFC (outside of GB) is a joke. The Skins and Lions will fight for that last spot.

703SKINS202
11-11-2007, 07:45 PM
after today i dont think the skins will make it

Number 10
11-11-2007, 07:47 PM
The Lions-Giants game next week is going to be very telling.

And I'll tell you this right now, I don't think the G-Men will win.

bigbluedefense
11-11-2007, 07:50 PM
The Lions-Giants game next week is going to be very telling.

And I'll tell you this right now, I don't think the G-Men will win.

Honestly, Im not that affraid of the Lions. I think we can beat them.

If they do lose, the grumblings of the 2nd half slump will rear its ugly head. Detriot doesn't have the oline to handle our pass rush.

Number 10
11-11-2007, 07:51 PM
Honestly, Im not that affraid of the Lions. I think we can beat them.

If they do lose, the grumblings of the 2nd half slump will rear its ugly head. Detriot doesn't have the oline to handle our pass rush.

BBD-

I have seen 2 Lions games and I'm gonna try to get this weeks game...

But they use the middle of the field in the passing game better than any offense in the NFL.

cowboysforever
11-11-2007, 07:59 PM
You got help from the refs but

So did the GMen.

cowboyz
11-12-2007, 07:59 AM
so how did dallas handle the giants pass rush? or was it just romo adeptly moving in the pocket? thought the giants collapsed the pocket, just couldn't break through.

saw strahan get pretty frustrated by colombo.

only thing i noticed was the rbs really blocked well.

and the dallas coverage must've been good when roy wasn't isolated because some of those sacks/pressures came after eli could look downfield.

thought the giants could've ran jacobs a little more because they couldn't stop him when he got going.

bigbluedefense
11-12-2007, 03:05 PM
Closing Thoughts:

If you want to check out the Giants perspective of this, go to the Giants board. This is more of a closing thoughts kind of thing.

- I think Dallas's offense can't be stopped. If youre gonna beat Dallas, you have to score with them. They have arguably the best offensive mind in the game right now calling the shots, a franchise qb, the 2nd best WR in the game, a great TE, the 2nd best oline in the game, and a great RBC. They have it all on offense.

- I see the same problems however as last year for Dallas. They have a good run stuffing defense, and a great offense, but theyre still vulnerable against the pass. This will be a problem every time they face a team with a good passing attack. Let's be honest. Dallas's defense didn't really stop the Giants offense last night. The Giants shot themselves in the foot. Again, some might disagree, but let's call a spade a spade. The pass defense still has major holes in it. And that could be an issue all season.

- Dallas as of right now is clearly the best in the NFC. Until proven otherwise, but its mainly bc of their offense.

- I might have to eat crow on Gibril Wilson. I have been very critical of him and have compared him to Roy Williams, but this year he has been playing great and my analogy is off base. He has 10X more range in coverage, he's a better tackler, and is making alot of plays out there. I underestimated how badly Tim Lewis hindered his development. He stood toe to toe with TO on one play and picked the ball off. Granted the 2nd time he got burned, but to do it even once is an amazing accomplishment. That shows how much range he really has. Im starting to become very impressed with him.

- DeMarcus Ware is playing amazing football right now, as is Osi Umenyiora. Both are viable DPOY candidates in my eyes.

- I had a feeling Anthony Spencer would be a thorn in our behind again. His speed just gives us more trouble than Ellis. However Ellis was a major factor in this game as well. I guess Im just paying more attention to Spencer.

- Like I said in the Giants board, if we meet Dallas again, having Smith and Ward will be critical to beating them. We sorely missed Ward in pass protection, and Smith is our only reliable slot WR. To beat Dallas's defense, you have to spread them out and have a reliable #3 WR to beat them with. Unless Smith is playing, we dont have that.

- We simply don't have the personnell on defense capable of stopping Dallas on a consistent basis. For more detail, go to the Giants board.

- Roy Williams is a sensitive topic. So I won't go into details. But he is godawful in coverage. Let's just leave it at that.

- I think if you want to break down the diff bw the Giants and Cowboys right now in simple terms, the word would be consistancy.

Dallas is just a more consistant team. There lies the main difference. Both can rush the passer. Both can score points. Both can stop the run. Both can run and pass the ball. Both have major holes in their passing defense.

But Dallas is more consistant. And thats why theyre better.

DMWSackMachine
11-13-2007, 11:30 AM
I have waited to see more from our team before saying this, but now I think it's safe. I take serious exception to the claims of us having, as BBD put it, though merely echoing a widely held opinion, "serious holes in our pass D".

People who say this generally look at one stat to draw their conclusions: pass yards allowed. As any NFLDCer worth his salt knows, there isn't a more misleading stat then total yards allowed by a team. Generally speaking, the most important stat for a defense is yards allowed per attempt, whether you're talking passing or running, closely followed by the turnover factor. Dallas not only doesn't suck at this aspect, but it is actually among the best in the league, ranking tied for 6th overall in the league, with......New England!

If you were to ask the layman who has a better pass defense between the two, most would scoff and say that it is easily NE. But the truth is far from. Another illustration of this is the comparison between Miami and New England. Would anyone say that Miami is one of the best pass defenses in the league? Hell no, they wouldn't, but they rank 5th overall against the pass with 184.6 ypg average, right in front of the Pats at 184.7. However, a closer inspection reveals that NE is 6th in YPA, while the Dolphins are a staggering 30th in the league. Point taken?

The next factor I mentioned is TOs. A quick glance shows Dallas as 3rd in the league with 14 INTs, just behind the Lions unbelievable pace and the Chargers league leading 17 (aided by the perplexing 6 int game from Peyton). So, very quickly: Dallas is top 6 in the most important category, and top 3 in the next most important category. Does that sound like a team with "major holes" in its pass defense? I wouldn't think so.

All of this has been done while enduring key injuries to our best two cover guys, and fitting in a new starting FS, along with having the most criticized SS in coverage in the NFL. Obviously, something is working.

Dallas has simply had a lead in the second half in every game but one this season, leading to a ton of passing attempts, and--as any defensive coach in the league will tell you--if a team is going to pass on you, they are going to get yards. But if they do it too much, the result will be turnovers for your defense, and big plays the other way. All of which has proven itself out.

If there is one flaw in what Dallas has been doing, its our inability to control the ball, either through running or passing. Of all the best teams in the league, we have some of the worst TOP numbers. This was born out again by the Giants and their domination of the ball, holding it for nearly 10 more minutes than we did. If we have one flaw, that is it right there. Aside from that, this team deserves to be in the conversation with New England for best team in the NFL.

Jughead10
11-13-2007, 11:49 AM
I haven't seen many people prasing the New England D, especially their secondary. They aren't nearly as good as they have been in the past, and their defense has little to do with the reason they are winning. I just heard an interview with Bill, where he was saying there is a lot of improvement that needs to me made on that defense. I think they are the worst red zone defense in the league.

bigbluedefense
11-13-2007, 11:57 AM
I have waited to see more from our team before saying this, but now I think it's safe. I take serious exception to the claims of us having, as BBD put it, though merely echoing a widely held opinion, "serious holes in our pass D".

People who say this generally look at one stat to draw their conclusions: pass yards allowed. As any NFLDCer worth his salt knows, there isn't a more misleading stat then total yards allowed by a team. Generally speaking, the most important stat for a defense is yards allowed per attempt, whether you're talking passing or running, closely followed by the turnover factor. Dallas not only doesn't suck at this aspect, but it is actually among the best in the league, ranking tied for 6th overall in the league, with......New England!

If you were to ask the layman who has a better pass defense between the two, most would scoff and say that it is easily NE. But the truth is far from. Another illustration of this is the comparison between Miami and New England. Would anyone say that Miami is one of the best pass defenses in the league? Hell no, they wouldn't, but they rank 5th overall against the pass with 184.6 ypg average, right in front of the Pats at 184.7. However, a closer inspection reveals that NE is 6th in YPA, while the Dolphins are a staggering 30th in the league. Point taken?

The next factor I mentioned is TOs. A quick glance shows Dallas as 3rd in the league with 14 INTs, just behind the Lions unbelievable pace and the Chargers league leading 17 (aided by the perplexing 6 int game from Peyton). So, very quickly: Dallas is top 6 in the most important category, and top 3 in the next most important category. Does that sound like a team with "major holes" in its pass defense? I wouldn't think so.

All of this has been done while enduring key injuries to our best two cover guys, and fitting in a new starting FS, along with having the most criticized SS in coverage in the NFL. Obviously, something is working.

Dallas has simply had a lead in the second half in every game but one this season, leading to a ton of passing attempts, and--as any defensive coach in the league will tell you--if a team is going to pass on you, they are going to get yards. But if they do it too much, the result will be turnovers for your defense, and big plays the other way. All of which has proven itself out.

If there is one flaw in what Dallas has been doing, its our inability to control the ball, either through running or passing. Of all the best teams in the league, we have some of the worst TOP numbers. This was born out again by the Giants and their domination of the ball, holding it for nearly 10 more minutes than we did. If we have one flaw, that is it right there. Aside from that, this team deserves to be in the conversation with New England for best team in the NFL.

While I still believe there is holes in the pass defense, and I stand by my assessment, I do want to note that there are only a select few teams that can take advantage of it.

I strongly believe, that in order to take on the Cowboys defense, you have to have a capable 3 WR set that can spread them out and take advantage of the slot WR vs CB matchup.

That also puts Roy in a tough position of being in man coverage against the TE, which is a matchup he is not going to win.

But having that said, very few teams have the offensive firepower capable of exploiting this weakness.

I think the Patriots, Colts, Saints (if they make the playoffs), Giants, maybe Seattle, and maybe the Packers are all capable of putting points on the board against this defense with the spread set.

Thats not many teams though. And when you look at the opposing defenses, the only teams that can really hang with Dallas's firepower on offense and ability to score are the Patriots, Colts, and maybe Packers.

I would say the Giants have a chance, but the bottomline is they lost twice to the Cowboys, so until proven otherwise, Dallas will and should beat them again.

So personally, I have Dallas rated #3 behind the Pats and Colts. The Packers matchup very favorably with the Cowboys, but I think the Cowboys are a little bit better. Thats gonna be a great match, when those 2 teams play.

NY+Giants=NYG
11-13-2007, 12:00 PM
BBD-

I have seen 2 Lions games and I'm gonna try to get this weeks game...

But they use the middle of the field in the passing game better than any offense in the NFL.

Then their team and coaching staff will have boners watching our defense on film, lol. If what you say is true, we are in for a looong day.

bigbluedefense
11-13-2007, 12:07 PM
Then their team and coaching staff will have boners watching our defense on film, lol. If what you say is true, we are in for a looong day.

im not too worried. unlike Dallas, they lack the oline or mobile qb to really take advantage of our holes.

this is a huge game though. If we lose, we'll have to start worrying about the dreaded 2nd half slump.

Jughead10
11-13-2007, 12:09 PM
I would add Pittsburgh to that list of teams who could spread it out. Between Ward, Holmes (who is turning into a great player right in front of us), Miller at TE, and Washington who is a decent 3rd option.

NY+Giants=NYG
11-13-2007, 12:09 PM
im not too worried. unlike Dallas, they lack the oline or mobile qb to really take advantage of our holes.

this is a huge game though. If we lose, we'll have to start worrying about the dreaded 2nd half slump.

Still you can always make adjustments for that.. One way is move the pocket left and right, which leads way to bootlegs. Run the ball, first to establish play action, and then hit the middle.. I'd be worried only because it's a game of matchups, from the coaching staff and players. If at this level if we cant disguise our coverages really well, any team can take adv. of it.

bigbluedefense
11-13-2007, 12:12 PM
I would add Pittsburgh to that list of teams who could spread it out. Between Ward, Holmes (who is turning into a great player right in front of us), Miller at TE, and Washington who is a decent 3rd option.

Dallas can work that oline though. And Ben will get confused by those packages. He's not the most cerebral qb, he's more of an athletic freak who can buy time and shed tacklers and wing it downfield.

And they should own Willie Parker.

bigbluedefense
11-13-2007, 12:14 PM
Still you can always make adjustments for that.. One way is move the pocket left and right, which leads way to bootlegs. Run the ball, first to establish play action, and then hit the middle.. I'd be worried only because it's a game of matchups, from the coaching staff and players. If at this level if we cant disguise our coverages really well, any team can take adv. of it.

Remember though, this is a Mike Martz offense. He's not gonna do that. He's gonna leave Kitna very vulnerable to taking shots. He rarely adjusts his protections, and rarely gives checkdowns.

We should get there and disrupt the qb. Im not too worried. We'll discuss this on the Giants board, don't want to take away from the topic at hand over here.

NY+Giants=NYG
11-13-2007, 12:20 PM
Remember though, this is a Mike Martz offense. He's not gonna do that. He's gonna leave Kitna very vulnerable to taking shots. He rarely adjusts his protections, and rarely gives checkdowns.

We should get there and disrupt the qb. Im not too worried. We'll discuss this on the Giants board, don't want to take away from the topic at hand over here.

Yeah, i know, which means it will be a track like affair, and i know if sees cover 2, he will have plays to beat it, from smash to mesh, and other passing concepts. I assume he wont even let the blitz come, because it will be quick routes either bubble or hot screens to get guys moving, to negate our rush.. I have respect for Martz as a coach to be able to handle our defense from an Xs and Os aspect.