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DeathbyStat
02-15-2007, 01:08 PM
Good article by Jason Whitlock.
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/16700590.htm

I think a better question is was the chiefs would recieve for him in a trade?

I'd say a high first rounder and another decent player.

SimonRath
02-15-2007, 01:11 PM
Yea, I think you guys should trade LJ...
Here's a trade:

Falcons get:
Larry Johnson

Chiefs get:
Matt Schaub
3rd round pick

*just kidding, i just would love to see LJ in Atlanta*

bigbluedefense
02-15-2007, 01:17 PM
He presented his argument very well. Whitlock knows his Chiefs. And sometimes a lockerroom cancer can really devistate a franchise. Is LJ really irreplaceable? That oline makes the world go round. If anything, its more important for them to continue establishing a presence in the trenches through the draft (ie draft some guards for the future). And if they can get a guy like Peterson for LJ and pay him alot less doe with half the headaches, is it really that far fetched of an idea?

bsaza2358
02-15-2007, 01:17 PM
We had a huge, 7 page thread about trading LJ or not in December. It is mildly aggravating that the same topic is back again. I will comment further once we see the comments from the peanut gallery.

VoteLynnSwan
02-15-2007, 01:19 PM
guess i didn't realize how big a cancer he is... if they could get a top 10 pick out of LJ... then i say definitely do it. That way they'd have a shot at possibly trading up to get Adrian Peterson, or trading back a little to get Marshawn Lynch... both of which i feel would be adequate replacements for LJ.

njx9
02-15-2007, 01:40 PM
i get the argument, but it seems like a bizarre strategy to NOT pay johnson, say (to use Whitlock's example) $20m in bonuses, then turn around and give some rookie $18m in bonuses to play the same position.

Im_a_Romosexual
02-15-2007, 01:48 PM
I wouldn't trade him unless I got a top 5 pick

TitleTown088
02-15-2007, 01:49 PM
That guy really makes LJ sound like an idiot.

bsaza2358
02-15-2007, 01:58 PM
LJ deserves to get his money, but his attitude problems date all the way back to HS. He has always worked very hard, but LJ has generally made it clear that he wants to do what he wants to do when he wants to do it. No one will ever stop him from speaking his mind or doing what he wants. Sounds a lot like TO, but the Chiefs' PR group has generally kept his drama under wraps.

Finlayson56
02-15-2007, 02:02 PM
I wouldn't trade him unless I got a top 5 pick

trade him to the lions they need a RB for half of next season

Gribble
02-15-2007, 02:09 PM
I wouldn't trade him unless I got a top 5 pick

trade him to the lions they need a RB for half of next season

Mike Martz doesn't need RBs. The Lions should just put a WR in the backfield.

princefielder28
02-15-2007, 02:14 PM
LJ deserves to get his money, but his attitude problems date all the way back to HS. He has always worked very hard, but LJ has generally made it clear that he wants to do what he wants to do when he wants to do it. No one will ever stop him from speaking his mind or doing what he wants. Sounds a lot like TO, but the Chiefs' PR group has generally kept his drama under wraps.

Yeah KC handles it quite a bit better

Sveen
02-15-2007, 02:22 PM
Would be really interesting if this actually happened. Don't think it will though.

bearsfan_51
02-15-2007, 02:30 PM
Good article and Jason Whitlock is an oxymoron.

Gribble
02-15-2007, 02:33 PM
He presented his argument very well. Whitlock knows his Chiefs. And sometimes a lockerroom cancer can really devistate a franchise. Is LJ really irreplaceable? That oline makes the world go round. If anything, its more important for them to continue establishing a presence in the trenches through the draft (ie draft some guards for the future). And if they can get a guy like Peterson for LJ and pay him alot less doe with half the headaches, is it really that far fetched of an idea?

I don't like Whitlock's argument. I mean, he's said some farfetched stuff before, like how the Redskins would play in the Super Bowl this past season, so this may be a plea for attention, like everything that comes out of Skip Bayless' mouth. Plus, when Peyton Manning threw his O-Line under the bus after the Steelers game last season, were there any questions about whether he would be staying in Indy? It is harder to develop QBs in the NFL in comparison to RBs; but, if someone has 416 carries in a season along with 50+ catches, it is going to take more than one player to duplicate that production, as well as the leadership factor. To say the best player on the team is the reason they aren't better is a total paradox.

Shiver
02-15-2007, 03:00 PM
Good article and Jason Whitlock is an oxymoron.

You would not believe how close I was to clicking "post reply" and typing the exact same sentence.

Number 10
02-15-2007, 03:11 PM
Is LJ that much of a distraction in the locker room?

bigbluedefense
02-15-2007, 03:20 PM
Is LJ that much of a distraction in the locker room?

His teammates hate his guts. I read about it in Sports Illustrated last year. He's a weird mofo. I wouldn't want him on our team, we have enough head cases.

BehrenMan007
02-15-2007, 03:21 PM
good read, but keeping LJ is the best choice

Number 10
02-15-2007, 03:21 PM
Is LJ that much of a distraction in the locker room?

His teammates hate his guts. I read about it in Sports Illustrated last year. He's a weird mofo. I wouldn't want him on our team, we have enough head cases.

Damn I got excited for a second....but I want nothing to do with a mini TO.

Ward
02-15-2007, 03:34 PM
I haven't really seen any argument to refute Whitlock despite how bad some of you think he is.

Basileus777
02-15-2007, 03:51 PM
That oline makes the world go round.

2 years ago. The 2006 KC oline was poor, and next year's line isn't going to be any better without Shields. The truth is that without LJ we would have had a losing record this year. How much could we really get for LJ anyway?

This is all moot anyways because there is no chance LJ is traded. Carl is not going to trade him.

yourfavestoner
02-15-2007, 04:24 PM
That oline makes the world go round.

2 years ago. The 2006 KC oline was poor, and next year's line isn't going to be any better without Shields. The truth is that without LJ we would have had a losing record this year. How much could we really get for LJ anyway?

This is all moot anyways because there is no chance LJ is traded. Carl is not going to trade him.

Pretty much. Peterson is too busy gloating about how smart he looks for drafting LJ, especially for all the criticism he received for it.

You're right about the KC offensive line, too. Next year, they'll have Waters (who didn't play as well this year as in years past), Weigmann, and that's about it. They need to figure something out about their tackle situation because this year showed that a combo of Kyle Turley and Highway isn't going to get it done.

asmitty45
02-15-2007, 05:19 PM
I wouldn't trade him unless I got a top 5 pick

trade him to the lions they need a RB for half of next season

thats a terrible idea, i mean LJ is a phenominal player but the lions can solve their running back need for next season by signing an RB like Dominic Rhodes or Chris Brown adn not have to give up their top 5 pick

T-RICH49
02-15-2007, 05:32 PM
Jason Whitlock is the biggest moron of all the members of the KC media.There was an article a few weeks back about a possible extension and here is an exact quote by LJ and see if he really sounds like a cancer


"It's out of my hands," Johnson said. "It's the same as going in with the deal when I was a rookie.It does'nt bother me.I'm fine with it.It's more about trying to win a Super Bowl.I'm not trying to win 'Richest Man Alive."

When it comes to Whitless do what I do...Ignore anything he writes because it is pure 100% crap

VoteLynnSwan
02-15-2007, 05:33 PM
I wouldn't trade him unless I got a top 5 pick

trade him to the lions they need a RB for half of next season

thats a terrible idea, i mean LJ is a phenominal player but the lions can solve their running back need for next season by signing an RB like Dominic Rhodes or Chris Brown adn not have to give up their top 5 pick

you think those guys are gonna be what the lions need at RB? WOW...

02-15-2007, 05:34 PM
I wouldn't trade him unless I got a top 5 pick

trade him to the lions they need a RB for half of next season

thats a terrible idea, i mean LJ is a phenominal player but the lions can solve their running back need for next season by signing an RB like Dominic Rhodes or Chris Brown adn not have to give up their top 5 pick

Dominic Rhodes and Chris Brown solving a running back problem? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Gribble
02-15-2007, 06:01 PM
I wouldn't trade him unless I got a top 5 pick

trade him to the lions they need a RB for half of next season

thats a terrible idea, i mean LJ is a phenominal player but the lions can solve their running back need for next season by signing an RB like Dominic Rhodes or Chris Brown adn not have to give up their top 5 pick

Dominic Rhodes and Chris Brown solving a running back problem? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Who's Chris Brown? :wink:

Snaznits
02-15-2007, 06:41 PM
Yea, I think you guys should trade LJ...
Here's a trade:

Falcons get:
Larry Johnson

Chiefs get:
Matt Schaub
3rd round pick

*just kidding, i just would love to see LJ in Atlanta*Why on earth would they do that the chiefs have damon huard who wasn't bad this year.

Snaznits
02-15-2007, 06:44 PM
I wouldn't trade him unless I got a top 5 pick

trade him to the lions they need a RB for half of next season

Mike Martz doesn't need RBs. The Lions should just put a WR in the backfield.Mike Furrey?

RaiderNation
02-15-2007, 08:02 PM
raiders get: LJ 1st rounder and 4th

KC gets#1 overall, jordan/moss 3rd and future 2nd

AZ9er
02-15-2007, 08:52 PM
Yeha i dont like whitless


But id want a top 10 draft pick, 2nd rounder and the year after id want a 2nd and 4th

Komp
02-15-2007, 09:14 PM
I wouldn't trade him unless I got a top 5 pick

trade him to the lions they need a RB for half of next season

thats a terrible idea, i mean LJ is a phenominal player but the lions can solve their running back need for next season by signing an RB like Dominic Rhodes or Chris Brown adn not have to give up their top 5 pick

Dominic Rhodes and Chris Brown solving a running back problem? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Who's Chris Brown? :wink:

He's that R&B singer all the young girls like....

bucknut12
02-15-2007, 10:47 PM
If the Chiefs were stupid enough to trade LJ they should try and get Michael Turner.

bearfan
02-15-2007, 11:23 PM
guess i didn't realize how big a cancer he is... if they could get a top 10 pick out of LJ... then i say definitely do it. That way they'd have a shot at possibly trading up to get Adrian Peterson, or trading back a little to get Marshawn Lynch... both of which i feel would be adequate replacements for LJ.

Same, I didnt think he was that type of player. So if they can trade him for a 1st rounder, and maybe a WR, then they should definantly do it

toonsterwu
02-16-2007, 12:36 AM
I'm surprised that this hasn't been discussed more in detail, but the reason I'd consider dealing LJ is to rebuild the team. The reality is that the Chiefs core of recent years has peaked, and I'm not sure they will be able to make enough moves to stay up there. I mean, best case scenario, IMO, is a 1, at best, 2 year, window, if Carl Peterson can make several big splashes, but even that, is questionable.

The OL needs fixing. For all the talk about having guard options, I think they would do well to find some young interior pieces. Wiegmann's in his mid-30's, Waters/Bober/Welbourn are all in their 30's. Their tackle situation could use work, as everyone knows. Pretty soon, Green will be out, and Croyle, or someone, will be in. They still lack top level receivers, and depending on Jeff Webb is being really optimistic. While Tony Gonzalez had a great year, even his biggest fan would admit he lost a tiny step, and he is 31. Their secondary could use some young CB's. They could use some youth at DT's.

Do I think LJ will be moved? Probably not. I just don't think they'll be bold enough to do that. But if they could get a bundle of picks (say, at least 2 day 1 picks this year, and another day 1 pick next year) I'd consider it. Running backs can be found. Sure, it's not likely at LJ's level ... but the league is moving to 2-back systems more to preserve players. Signing a Dominic Rhodes and adding a running back in the draft could still give them a strong running game, and additional picks would allow for them to start replenishing themselves in an attempt to not have any dropoff.

But no ... I doubt LJ gets moved.

Splat
02-16-2007, 09:00 AM
LJ is not a cancer 90% of the stuff he says is true and no one has ever came out and said they didn't like playing with him I don't care what SI says.

yourfavestoner
02-16-2007, 11:59 AM
LJ is not a cancer 90% of the stuff he says is true and no one has ever came out and said they didn't like playing with him I don't care what SI says.

A comma or period here or there would be nice once in awhile.

Splat
02-16-2007, 01:41 PM
LJ is not a cancer 90% of the stuff he says is true and no one has ever came out and said they didn't like playing with him I don't care what SI says.

A comma or period here or there would be nice once in awhile.

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njx9
02-16-2007, 01:46 PM
LJ is not a cancer 90% of the stuff he says is true and no one has ever came out and said they didn't like playing with him I don't care what SI says.

A comma or period here or there would be nice once in awhile.

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the first one's an apostrophe, not a comma.

Splat
02-16-2007, 01:53 PM
Thats nice.

LonghornsLegend
02-16-2007, 03:24 PM
i dont like how he was knocking him and jay-z...he doesnt know LJ personally, and he surely doesnt know his relationship with sean carter....


when the season is over, some players go golfing, vacation with family, go party hard for a few weeks, whatever it may be, their entitled to do that AFTER the season is over, especially right after, ESPECIALLY for a person who carried it 400 times....


so what he went to new york AFTER the season, i think he earned a vacation to wherever he wanted to after 400+ carries...you criticize him and say he could be the next jamal anderson overused, so what would you like a man to do after a grueling season like he had

AZ9er
02-16-2007, 06:06 PM
K.C will be adressing that 400+ carries. A late rb or someon getting 6-10 carries a game, plus a better passing attack, and a fullback also a more youthful line.

The Legend
02-20-2007, 04:13 AM
L J for Carnell Williams and Calvin Johnson

L J for Braylon Edwards and Adrian Peterson

KaneMarko
02-20-2007, 12:50 PM
LJ has had a problem controlling his mouth. Yes, most of what he says is true. But you don't always want to air your dirty laundry to the public like he did in the HBO inteview and after the 2nd Charger game.

Now, LJ is a great RB when he has the ball in his hands. Personally, I'm a fan of his running. But the Chiefs need young talent at some key position i.e. D-Tackle, O-Tackle, WR, CB. And if trading LJ can net us either players and/or picks to potentially fill those positions then at the very least the idea needs to be on the table and up for discussion in the Chiefs warroom.

Now, I don't think the Chiefs are going to get a top 10 pick for LJ. I think the best they can hope for is maybe another pick in the back half of the 1st, a player off the team they are trading with and maybe some kind of conditional pick in 08. Maybe a team in the back half of the 1st that is maybe a RB away from contending might be willing to come off their 1st rounder for a back like LJ. Then perhaps with those two picks the Chiefs can trade up into the top 10 if they want. Or keep the 2 firsts and take 2 first round talents off the board to fill holes.

Now, having said all that, I don't think Carl Peterson has the jam to do it. He's too busy patting himself on the back for making such a great pick when everyone in the world told him not to. So LJ represents one of Peterson's greatest all time picks in his mind. So I don't really see Peterson trading him away. Even if it would benefit the team in the long run.