Ovechkin vs. Crosby

[ricky bobby]

I know we have a NHL discussion thread, but i just had to post this. This is the Wade vs. Lebron debate of the NHL. They are the two best young stars in the NHL and are in the top five in points. If you had to pick one of these guys to start a team with, who would you take?

I took Ovechkin just because he is funner to watch. And because i'm russian :lol:

[Jughead10]

Crosby every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

[bearsfan_51]

I would take the five dollars it takes to purchase an NHL team and buy a snowcone instead.

[MaxV]

Watch my boy, Jenya Malkin, surpass both in a couple of years.

[Jughead10]

Watch my boy, Jenya Malkin, surpass both in a couple of years.

Is Malkin on the same line as Crosby? Because if so he will never surpass him.

[MaxV]

Watch my boy, Jenya Malkin, surpass both in a couple of years.

Is Malkin on the same line as Crosby? Because if so he will never surpass him.

No, but they play together at times.

I made that statement half-jokingly. It'll be pretty hard for ANYONE to surpass Sid, but Malkin does have the ability to be an AWESOME player.

Ovechkin is already very good, but I acctually believe that he can be even better. His passing and D still need work. And he should be better at both.

[etk]

Crosby every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

[HChu]

(Disclaimer: I am very biased on this debate)

Ovechkin

[Jughead10]

Watch my boy, Jenya Malkin, surpass both in a couple of years.

Is Malkin on the same line as Crosby? Because if so he will never surpass him.

No, but they play together at times.

I made that statement half-jokingly. It'll be pretty hard for ANYONE to surpass Sid, but Malkin does have the ability to be an AWESOME player.

Ovechkin is already very good, but I acctually believe that he can be even better. His passing and D still need work. And he should be better at both.

I just said that because if they were on the same line Crosby would always make him look better than he actually is.

[MaxV]

Well Malkin is VERY good on his own.

When he and Ovechkin were being drafted, a lot of scouts called them "1a" and "1b".

According to various reports, Ovechkin was a better scorer, but Malkin had a better all-around game.

So far, that has been fairly accurate, though Malkin's all-around game still has room for improvement.

AO NOT CLOSE

[Craigo]

AO NOT CLOSE :shock:

[Jughead10]

AO NOT CLOSE :shock:

The casual hockey fan will always say Ovechkin because of flashy goals.

[Jensen]

Crosby.

[ricky bobby]

AO NOT CLOSE :shock:

The casual hockey fan will always say Ovechkin because of flashy goals.
yep, that's me. He's had some sick goals.

[Craigo]

AO NOT CLOSE :shock:

The casual hockey fan will always say Ovechkin because of flashy goals.
Hell, I'm a casual hockey fan too, but I'm not 'mentally handicapped'. (Love the censorship)

[Xiomera]

I am not sure how you can not pick Sidney Crosby . . . Ovechkin is great and all, but Crosby is freakin' amazing.

His passing ability makes his linemates better, so he actually improves the teams play even more.

[ricky bobby]

AO NOT CLOSE :shock:

The casual hockey fan will always say Ovechkin because of flashy goals.
Hell, I'm a casual hockey fan too, but I'm not 'mentally handicapped'. (Love the censorship)
Well let's just wait for the test results to come back before we jump to any brash conculsions. :lol:

[reigle9]

The Pens are not only building a team around Sid, they're building a dynasty.

[Ewing]

Alexander The Great and I say this has an extremely biased Caps fan. He's the best all-around player in the league. The only reason people will say Crosby is because of the media hype.

[Jughead10]

Alexander The Great and I say this has an extremely biased Caps fan. He's the best all-around player in the league. The only reason people will say Crosby is because of the media hype.

:roll: Wow. Even Jagr is a better all around player.

[reigle9]

The only reason people will say Crosby is because of the media hype.
The fact that he's lapping the field in points doesn't hurt either.

[Craigo]

The only reason people will say Crosby is because of the media hype.
The fact that he's lapping the field in points doesn't hurt either.
Points are overrated.

So are wins.

And Plus/minus.

It's all about flashy goals, thats what wins championships.

[MaxV]

I'm a big fan of AO, but he's not the best all-around player in the league.

He might be the best goal-scorer, but his passing and D need work.

[Eaglez.Fan]

It's very close, if Crosby had a more physical game he'd be alot better than Ovechkin but since he doesn't, it's Crosby by quite abit.

[RaiderNation]

nhl sucks. but crosby is good

[S4L]

Sidney Crosby, says Captain Bias.

And Malkin and Crosby only play together on the first power play line.

[TitleTown088]

I would take the five dollars it takes to purchase an NHL team and buy a snowcone instead.

I think i head that there are only a handful of NHL teams that actually make money, and that most of those teams are owned by the mob. Anything know anything about this?

[Space Ghost]

I'll take the Canadian one :D

[TIP]

SC NOT CLOSEFixed that for you. Crosby by 3 freakin miles.

[Philliez01]

The Pens are a better team but Crosby has had guys like John LeClair (I believe in his rookie season), Ryan Malone and Colby Armstrong on his line and made them overachieve. Crosby's vision and precision passing (sorry, just played Madden) is something that is so rare for a player with his experience that it is just mindboggling that he's 19. He won't be Gretzky based on how much he will have to score but he can be a great one for the new era.

Ovechkin on the other hand is tough and is a much better scorer than Crosby is when it comes to goals. His slapshot is sound and his passing with and being on the line with Semin (it's not pronounced semen) has helped him out greatly in my opinion. Ovechkin will definitely pump out a good share of assists and his passing has improved but I love how tough he plays. He does hit when necessary and doesn't shy from contact. I am not saying Crosby doesn't though either but I hate remembering him complaining to the refs about Hatcher. Though, to be fair and unbiased, he was getting mugged.

EDIT: Forgot to say who I would pick, not Crosby by a 5k but I would take Crosby by around 400 meters. I believe he just surpassed last season's assist total?

[princefielder28]

I'll take Sid the Kid; he can just be insane sometimes

[SuperMcgee]

Alexander The Great and I say this has an extremely biased Caps fan. He's the best all-around player in the league. The only reason people will say Crosby is because of the media hype.

Thornton, Hossa, and Drury are the best all around players in the league

*I take Crosby in this battle that still takes up a good 90% of NHL exposure

[Canadian_kid16]

I'll take Ovy cause Sidney isn't Canadian...he's *********

[sweetness34]

Crosby is twice the all around player Ovy is. He's an incredible passer, skater, and creator. Ovy is much more of a power forward type player with a ton of goal scoring potential.

Crosby's game is a lot like Gretzky's and Lemieux's IMO. Just great all around players offensively.

Crosby hands down.

[Ewing]

Calder Memorial Trophy
Finalist For Lester B. Pearson Award
NHL First All-Star Team
First Rookie In Fifteen Years Named to First All-Star Team
Second Rookie Ever with 50/50 Season,
Third Player Ever To Win Rookie and Offensive Player Of The Month in same month

All of those feats belong to Ovechkin not Crosby.

[ricky bobby]

Here is an interesting tidbit. Ovechka in russian means Sheep. Ovechkin means 'belonging to a sheep' or 'sheep's'. This is insider information you can get only from a russian speaking poster. If you want so sound smart around the water cooler at work, throw that fact out there. :lol:

[Jughead10]

Calder Memorial Trophy
Finalist For Lester B. Pearson Award
NHL First All-Star Team
First Rookie In Fifteen Years Named to First All-Star Team
Second Rookie Ever with 50/50 Season,
Third Player Ever To Win Rookie and Offensive Player Of The Month in same month

All of those feats belong to Ovechkin not Crosby.

Too bad they are no longer rookies.

[ricky bobby]

Calder Memorial Trophy
Finalist For Lester B. Pearson Award
NHL First All-Star Team
First Rookie In Fifteen Years Named to First All-Star Team
Second Rookie Ever with 50/50 Season,
Third Player Ever To Win Rookie and Offensive Player Of The Month in same month

All of those feats belong to Ovechkin not Crosby.

Too bad they are no longer rookies.
They are both very good for the sport. Would anyone really care about hockey if those two young stars weren't playing? I bet they draw 50% of the NHL's audience.

[Jughead10]

Calder Memorial Trophy
Finalist For Lester B. Pearson Award
NHL First All-Star Team
First Rookie In Fifteen Years Named to First All-Star Team
Second Rookie Ever with 50/50 Season,
Third Player Ever To Win Rookie and Offensive Player Of The Month in same month

All of those feats belong to Ovechkin not Crosby.

Too bad they are no longer rookies.
They are both very good for the sport. Would anyone really care about hockey if those two young stars weren't playing? I bet they draw 50% of the NHL's audience.

Thats definately incorrect. Perhaps they draw close to 50% of new hockey viewers. But hockey fans, although not many of them, are some of the most loyal fans there are. Most hockey fans have been huge followers way before those two hit puberty.

[Ewing]

Calder Memorial Trophy
Finalist For Lester B. Pearson Award
NHL First All-Star Team
First Rookie In Fifteen Years Named to First All-Star Team
Second Rookie Ever with 50/50 Season,
Third Player Ever To Win Rookie and Offensive Player Of The Month in same month

All of those feats belong to Ovechkin not Crosby.

Too bad they are no longer rookies.

Regardless, he outplayed Crosby by far in their rookie years and Crosby is outplaying him this year.

[Tubby]

nobody cares about vs. the nhl

[Jughead10]

Calder Memorial Trophy
Finalist For Lester B. Pearson Award
NHL First All-Star Team
First Rookie In Fifteen Years Named to First All-Star Team
Second Rookie Ever with 50/50 Season,
Third Player Ever To Win Rookie and Offensive Player Of The Month in same month

All of those feats belong to Ovechkin not Crosby.

Too bad they are no longer rookies.

Regardless, he outplayed Crosby by far in their rookie years and Crosby is outplaying him this year.

You might wanna check that by far comment.

[Ewing]

Look at the accomplishments I listed that Ovechkin had his rookie year and then look at what Crosby did his rookie year.

[mcdlaxbonz13]

i say crosby and for htose who say he doesnt have flashy goals, where have you been this year he has pleanty of them this year even though flashy goals are not important.

i think what gives crosby the edge is his vision, he makes some sick passes making his teammates much better and making them a much tougher team.

also has anyone looked at how many shots ovechkin has taken ill save you some time he has 292 shots and 34 goals that gives him a 11.6 shooting percentage.

crosby has 152 shots 25 goals and a 16.4 shooting percentage, so granted crosbys isn't wowingly better but still its something to think about

in the end i do pick crosby, now heres something for ya to think about could u imagine if the penguins won the first pick in 04 and got ovechkin then got crosby in 05, that would be just down right disgusting

[P-L]

Not sure if it's been mention but Crosby's G/SOG is better than Ovechkin's by quite a fair amount. Sure Ovechkin has 9 more goals, but he needed almost 150 more shots. Not to mention Crosby's +/- is 13, compared to Ovechkin's -12.

[TCU]

I have seen them both play and crosby does a lot by himself and is great in setting plays up, Ovechkin however dominates Croby defensivly and is more well rounded but Sid is better.

[EdReedUnstoppable]

Im taking Ovechkin, better goal scorer, has less talent around him, and plus he plays physical, and lays people out!!!

[Handel]

Don't forget Ovechkin is 21 and Crosby 19....

For a 18 years old last year, 102 points is not bad.

[frogstomp]

Don't forget Ovechkin is 21 and Crosby 19....

For a 18 years old last year, 102 points is not bad.

Exactly. Crosby is still at the age where he is almost too young, especially last year.

[sweetness34]

Im taking Ovechkin, better goal scorer, has less talent around him, and plus he plays physical, and lays people out!!!

He's an elite goal scoring power forward. Crosby is an elite playmaker.

Ovy doesn't touch Crosby's skating ability, his passing ability, his playmaking ability, or his vision. Which is why I'd take Crosby over Ovy.

[frogstomp]

I would say Crosby is the more "once in a lifetime" player than Ovechkin. Great goal scorers come and go, but players with Crosby's skill set are once in a hockey generation.

[sweetness34]

I would say Crosby is the more "once in a lifetime" player than Ovechkin. Great goal scorers come and go, but players with Crosby's skill set are once in a hockey generation.

I'll agree with that.

[frogstomp]

I would say Crosby is the more "once in a lifetime" player than Ovechkin. Great goal scorers come and go, but players with Crosby's skill set are once in a hockey generation.

I'll agree with that.

Well, that makes it fact, now doesn't it? :wink: :lol:

[Craigo]

Case in point:

During his 4 assist night last night, ha made a pass to Recchi for a goal that was probably better than any goal Ovechkin has scored this year.

Thats right. I compared an assist to a goal.

[sweetness34]

I would say Crosby is the more "once in a lifetime" player than Ovechkin. Great goal scorers come and go, but players with Crosby's skill set are once in a hockey generation.

I'll agree with that.

Well, that makes it fact, now doesn't it? :wink: :lol:

Yup. If an American and a Canadian agree on something Hockey related, it's gotta be a fact. :D

[EdReedUnstoppable]

Im taking Ovechkin, better goal scorer, has less talent around him, and plus he plays physical, and lays people out!!!

He's an elite goal scoring power forward. Crosby is an elite playmaker.

Ovy doesn't touch Crosby's skating ability, his passing ability, his playmaking ability, or his vision. Which is why I'd take Crosby over Ovy.

I dont disagree with you that Crosby has more playmaking skills, but I still take Ovechkin because I dont like whiny babies I like players who play with a snarl and play tough and score goals.

[detroit4life]

i'll take ovechkin hes a physical player and a much better goal scorer

i'll take ovechkin hes a physical player and a much better goal scorer

Much better is a real stretch, you really underate Crosby's scoring ability. I'm sure if he took as many shots as Oveckin does he would be close to leading the league in goals. Instead of shooting it every time he get's the puck he likes to pass it, which usually set's up a higher percentage shot.

Crosby is tearing up the league this year, he has 14 more points than the 2nd place point getter.

[EdReedUnstoppable]

i'll take ovechkin hes a physical player and a much better goal scorer

Much better is a real stretch, you really underate Crosby's scoring ability. I'm sure if he took as many shots as Oveckin does he would be close to leading the league in goals. Instead of shooting it every time he get's the puck he likes to pass it, which usually set's up a higher percentage shot.

Crosby is tearing up the league this year, he has 14 more points than the 2nd place point getter.

It would be nice if Ovechkin had someone to pass the puck to, he has to shoot because on his line he is the only hope of scoring. In fact I give it a year until Semin demands a trade and Ovie is left as the only scoring threat on the team. But hopefully Backstrom copmes over next year and he and Ovie can dominate, but we'll still lose 6-5 or 5-4 because we have no goaltending.

[MaxV]

Ovechkin is really struggling right now. He's been stuck with 72 points for a few games already.

[frogstomp]

i'll take ovechkin hes a physical player and a much better goal scorer

Much better scorer? Ovechkin has 34 goals on 302 shots... an 11.3%. Crosby has 26 goals in 161 shots... a 16.1%.

That doesn't say everything, and I would concede that Ovechkin is a *slightly* better goal scorer, he is by no means *much* better.