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jared
11-20-2007, 10:25 AM
Davey O'Brien (best QB)

Chase Daniel, JR Missouri
Tim Tebow, SO Florida
Dennis Dixon, SR Oregon

Doak Walker (best RB)

Mike Hart, SR Michigan
Darren McFadden, JR Arkansas
Ray Rice, JR Rutgers

Fred Biletnikoff (best WR)

Michael Crabtree, FR Texas Tech
Jordy Nelson, SR Kansas State
Mario Manningham, JR Michigan

Dick Butkus (best LB)

Dan Connor, SR Penn State
Jordon Dizon, SR Colorado
James Laurinaitis, JR Ohio State

Jim Thorpe (best DB)

Craig Steltz, SR LSU
Jamie Silva, SR Boston College
Antoine Cason, SR Arizona

Rotary Lombardi Award (best DL, OL, or LB)

Glenn Dorsey, SR LSU
Jake Long, SR Michigan
Chris Long, SR Virginia
James Laurinaitis, JR Ohio State

--Thoughts? Snubs?

etk
11-20-2007, 11:21 AM
OBrien: Daniel
Walker: McFadden
Biletnikoff: Crabtree
Butkus: Laurinaitis
Thorpe: Cason
Lombardi: C. Long

Are those the only ones that have been announced so far? There's also awards like the Rimington, Moss, Maxwell, etc. that weren't on that list.

I think the Thorpe choices are poor. I could name at least 5 DBs who should be there ahead of those 3.

BufFan71
11-20-2007, 11:55 AM
It will be an absolute shame if Dizon doesnt win the Butkus award
he will lose due to the fact Laurenitas and Conner are better known
if people saw Dizon's productivity and talent he would 100% be the winner

Sniper
11-20-2007, 11:58 AM
Davey O'Brien (Best QB)

Tim Tebow, SO Florida

Doak Walker (best RB)

Mike Hart, SR Michigan

Fred Biletnikoff (best WR)

Michael Crabtree, FR Texas Tech

Dick Butkus (best LB)

Dan Connor, SR Penn State

Jim Thorpe (best DB)

Antoine Cason, SR Arizona

Rotary Lombardi Award (best DL, OL, or LB)

Jake Long, SR Michigan


Some of those lists are terrible. And yes, I picked Hart>McFadden out of pure homerism

Turtlepower
11-20-2007, 11:58 AM
It will be an absolute shame if Dizon doesnt win the Butkus award
he will lose due to the fact Laurenitas and Conner are better known
if people saw Dizon's productivity and talent he would 100% be the winner

Completely agree with you there. Also, Mario Manningham has no right to any award this year after the way he's played.

Sniper
11-20-2007, 11:59 AM
Completely agree with you there. Also, Mario Manningham has no right to any award this year after the way he's played.

Um, Mario had almost 70 grabs for 1,100 yards and 11 TD

Turtlepower
11-20-2007, 12:02 PM
Um, Mario had almost 70 grabs for 1,100 yards and 11 TD

Yeah, but he is a shell of his last year's self. Two poeple in the Big 10 who should be in front of him: Devin Thomas and James Hardy.

But if Michael Crabtree doesn't win this award then I will never have faith in the award process again.

Sniper
11-20-2007, 12:07 PM
Yeah, but he is a shell of his last year's self. Two poeple in the Big 10 who should be in front of him: Devin Thomas and James Hardy.

But if Michael Crabtree doesn't win this award then I will never have faith in the award process again.

He's still had a freshman throwing him the ball with a 43.5% completion percentage and missed a game and had another game where UM only threw 15 times

draftguru151
11-20-2007, 12:29 PM
That Thorpe list is pretty bad.

NYGibril28
11-20-2007, 01:25 PM
I think maybe some people are basing this off of best pro prospect. The award goes by a numbers standpoint basically, that's why Steltz and Silva are on the Thorpe list.

TigerBait45
11-20-2007, 01:32 PM
ctrl+f "Kevin Smith/Matt Forte"

NO RESULTS

bad list.

T-RICH49
11-20-2007, 03:35 PM
man no KU guys.They might be the most disrespected undefeated team ever

Turtlepower
11-20-2007, 03:36 PM
man no KU guys.They might be the most disrespected undefeated team ever

Try playing a team with more than 6 wins and then ask for respect. =D

T-RICH49
11-20-2007, 03:40 PM
KU has played at least 3 teams with 6 or more wins this year next argument

NYGibril28
11-20-2007, 03:43 PM
KU has played at least 3 teams with 6 or more wins this year next argument

Texas A&M, Oklahoma State and Central Michigan.

All six wins. Barely bowl-eligible.

Turtlepower
11-20-2007, 03:44 PM
KU has played at least 3 teams with 6 or more wins this year next argument

Texas A&M (6-5), Oklahoma State (6-5), Central Michigan (6-5)

Every other team they have played is below .500

BrownsTown
11-20-2007, 03:48 PM
Man the Thorpe list is awful. IMO should be Ikegwuonu, Jenkins and Cason.

Anyway...

Davey O'Brien (best QB): Tebow

Doak Walker (best RB): McFadden

Fred Biletnikoff (best WR): Crabtree

Dick Butkus (best LB): Connor

Jim Thorpe (best DB): Cason

Rotary Lombardi Award (best DL, OL, or LB): Chris Long

Anyone else think the Rotary Lombardi Award, minus Laurinaitis should be the Heisman finalists? (or at least top 3)

Turtlepower
11-20-2007, 03:51 PM
Man the Thorpe list is awful. IMO should be Ikegwuonu, Jenkins and Cason.

Malcolm Jenkins not on there is an absolute shame.

KCJ58
11-20-2007, 04:00 PM
Jordon Dizon, LB (Colorado)!

im glad he made it very underrated LB imo

KCJ58
11-20-2007, 04:02 PM
you should update your 1st post Jakey and but the Maxwell Finalist

Tim Tebow, SO Florida
Darren McFadden, JR Arkansas
Dennis Dixon, SR Oregon

draftguru151
11-20-2007, 04:19 PM
I think maybe some people are basing this off of best pro prospect. The award goes by a numbers standpoint basically, that's why Steltz and Silva are on the Thorpe list.

I thought it went to the best defensive back, not the ones that get free interceptions.

adschofield
11-20-2007, 04:30 PM
KU has played at least 3 teams with 6 or more wins this year next argument

Actually, Anthony "Mama's gotta Eat" Collins is a finalist for the Outland Award...and I'm sure Magino is a contender for the Coach of the Year Award

Sniper
11-20-2007, 05:00 PM
I thought it went to the best defensive back, not the ones that get free interceptions.

Ohio State's Malcolm Jenkins excluded from this list is a sin....

BrownsTown
11-20-2007, 05:36 PM
Ohio State's Malcolm Jenkins excluded from this list is a sin....

Yea I didn't want to seem like a homer, but there's no way he's not at least top 3. I don't know if there's anyone who gets thrown at less.

scottyboy
11-20-2007, 05:41 PM
Raymell Rice for Doak Walker!!!

jballa838
11-20-2007, 05:44 PM
man no KU guys.They might be the most disrespected undefeated team ever
besides Boise last year, Hawaii this year and Utah in 2003 right?

bearsfan_51
11-20-2007, 05:46 PM
Manningham for the Biletnikoff is hilarious.

Solomon
11-20-2007, 06:35 PM
Like others have mentioned, the Thorpe canidates are pretty awful. Jenkins and Talib should both be on that list.

Personally I think Manningham deserves to be there, he didn't play well last game but he's been very productive despite missing time, plays in a balanced offense and has done it all despite going up against the best corners in the nation and having defenses focus on him.

J Leman should be on the list for the Butkus. Frankly I think he deserves to win it.

And the canidates for the Doak Walker are deserving, but Kevin Smith, Matt Forte and Rashard Mendenhall were just as deserving IMO

Turtlepower
11-20-2007, 06:45 PM
Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech: Leads team with 125 REC, 1,861 YDS, and 21 TD.
Mario Manningham, Michigan: Leads team with 67 REC, 1,096 YDS, and 11 TD.
Jordy Nelson, Kansas State: Leads team with 107 REC, 1,441 YDS, and 10 TD.

Manningham no way should be with the other two.

Michigan
11-20-2007, 07:23 PM
Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech: Leads team with 125 REC, 1,861 YDS, and 21 TD.
Mario Manningham, Michigan: Leads team with 67 REC, 1,096 YDS, and 11 TD.
Jordy Nelson, Kansas State: Leads team with 107 REC, 1,441 YDS, and 10 TD.

Manningham no way should be with the other two.

I agree that Manningham shouldn't be there, but to argue that using statistics is pretty stupid. Anyone who can get 67 1096 11 at a run heavy school like Michigan has had a good year. Crabtree's statistics are inflated by the system, and KSU is pretty pass happy too.

Anyways, here are my picks:

O'Brien-
Will be: Dennis Dixon
Should be: Dixon

Walker-
Will be: Darren McFadden
Should be: Chris Wells (not finalist)

Belitnikoff-
Will be: Michael Crabtree
Should be: Crabtree

Butkus-
Will be: James Laurenaitis
Should be: Dan Connor

Thorpe-
Will be: Craig Steltz
Should be: Malcolm Jenkins (Not finalist)

Lombardi-
Will be: Chris Long
Should be: Jake Long

BufFan71
11-20-2007, 07:52 PM
i hate how nobody even is giving Dizon a chance at the Butkus award, imo hes the most deserving

BrownsTown
11-20-2007, 07:56 PM
i hate how nobody even is giving Dizon a chance at the Butkus award, imo hes the most deserving

Because Laurinaitis and Connor get 10 times as much publicity.

VoteLynnSwan
11-20-2007, 08:00 PM
J Leman should definitely be a finalist for the Butkus... Dick Butkus former Illinois great should be furious that a fellow Illinois great is not getting a chance to win the award named after him.

BrownsTown
11-20-2007, 08:01 PM
J Leman should definitely be a finalist for the Butkus... Dick Butkus former Illinois great should be furious that a fellow Illinois great is not getting a chance to win the award named after him.

Agreed, he should be on there instead of Laurinaitis.

ironman4579
11-20-2007, 08:12 PM
Agreed, he should be on there instead of Laurinaitis.

BT, you might be the most sensible OSU fan I've ever known ;)

Seriously though, I hate to do it, but I have to give an OSU player some love. Jenkins not on the list is an absolute crime. That Thorpe list is just putrid, made worse by the fact he's not on it.

ironman4579
11-20-2007, 08:26 PM
Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech: Leads team with 125 REC, 1,861 YDS, and 21 TD.
Mario Manningham, Michigan: Leads team with 67 REC, 1,096 YDS, and 11 TD.
Jordy Nelson, Kansas State: Leads team with 107 REC, 1,441 YDS, and 10 TD.

Manningham no way should be with the other two.

Keep in mind I don't think that Manningham should be on there either. The problem you run into here is you're comparing his stats to the other 2 finalists. All that really shows is that he shouldn't win the award. Now, if you wanted to show that he shouldn't be a finalist at all, you'd probably want to show other worthy candidates that were left off. Here's 2 guys that easily could have been on there over Manningham, just based on numbers.

James Hardy, Indiana
74 catches, 1075 yards, 16 TD's

Casey Fitzgerald, North Texas
96 catches, 1184 yards, 12 TD's

bearsfan_51
11-20-2007, 08:31 PM
Earl Bennett deserves it more than Manningham as well.


And for whoever said that defenses focus on Manningham, is that a joke? Ever heard of Mike Hart?

Vikes99ej
11-20-2007, 08:43 PM
Yep, Heisman's the only award I care about.

draftguru151
11-20-2007, 08:45 PM
Is it Earl's 4 TDs or his less than 800 yards that make him more worthy than Manningham? I'm probably Earl's second biggest fan on here, but you can't justify him being above Manningham. I think Hardy deserves to be on there but I don't see in any way that Manningham being on there is hilarious.

BrownsTown
11-20-2007, 08:53 PM
BT, you might be the most sensible OSU fan I've ever known ;)

Seriously though, I hate to do it, but I have to give an OSU player some love. Jenkins not on the list is an absolute crime. That Thorpe list is just putrid, made worse by the fact he's not on it.

I think Laurinaitis is good, but the worst on that list. It's not anything against him, but Leman just plays with so much energy.

jared
11-20-2007, 08:56 PM
I agree that Jenkins and Talib should probably be in the mix for the Thorpe. However, Steltz has had a statistically impressive year. He leads the #1 team in the country in tackles, INT's, and forced fumbles. Throw in 7 PD's, 1 sack, and 5 TFL, that's not bad in a weak crop of safeties. Jamie Silva and maybe Patrick Chung are really the only other ones who are comparable this year.

I've said before I think Crabtree's year is just ridiculous, Texas Tech offense or not, he's going to be special. However, I think there is a very legit case for Jordy Nelson as well. Crabtree accounts for 32.6% of TT's receiving yardage (1861/5707). Jordy accounts for 45.5% of KSU's receiving yardage (1441/3169). He's only really lagging behind in TD's (but he does have 2 passing and 2 return TD's). Even though KSU airs the ball out quite a bit, Harrell is definitely a better QB than Freeman and KSU probably will still end up with like 170 less pass attempts than TT when all's said and done. Jordy still has another game to play as well, Crabtree's done. If he puts up a 200 yard, 2 TD game, I really think Nelson deserves the award.

P-L
11-20-2007, 10:00 PM
I think Laurinaitis is good, but the worst on that list. It's not anything against him, but Leman just plays with so much energy.
I'm not a Laurinaitis "hater" by any means, but the fact that he was completely non-existent against Michigan probably won't help his cause. I think Dan Connor wins the award, personally.

BrownsTown
11-20-2007, 10:01 PM
I'm not a Laurinaitis "hater" by any means, but the fact that he was completely non-existent against Michigan probably won't help his cause. I think Dan Connor wins the award, personally.

There's not much he can do with Gholston getting a sack on every play ;)

adschofield
11-20-2007, 10:03 PM
Outland Finalists (Best Lineman):
Anthony "Mama Gotta Eat" Collins-OT-Kansas
Glenn Dorsey-DT-LSU
Jake Long-OT-Michigan

etk
11-21-2007, 09:10 AM
Is it Earl's 4 TDs or his less than 800 yards that make him more worthy than Manningham? I'm probably Earl's second biggest fan on here, but you can't justify him being above Manningham. I think Hardy deserves to be on there but I don't see in any way that Manningham being on there is hilarious.

LOL. I wonder who's first...

Sniper
11-21-2007, 12:55 PM
Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech: Leads team with 125 REC, 1,861 YDS, and 21 TD.
Mario Manningham, Michigan: Leads team with 67 REC, 1,096 YDS, and 11 TD.
Jordy Nelson, Kansas State: Leads team with 107 REC, 1,441 YDS, and 10 TD.

Manningham no way should be with the other two.

Manningham has Arrington, Mathews and a predictable OC who loves to run.

Sniper
11-21-2007, 12:56 PM
Because Laurinaitis and Connor get 10 times as much publicity.

Laurinaitis 50, Connor 10.