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Yung Flippa
11-23-2007, 10:15 PM
QB- Ben Roethlisberger/ Derek Andreson
RB- Willis McGahee/ Willie Parker
WR- Braylon Edwards/ Chad Johnson/ Hines Ward/ Derrick Mason
TE- Kellen Winslow/ Heath Miller
OT- Joe Thomas/ Levi Jones
OG- Alan Faneca/ Eric Steinbach
C- Hank Fraley/ Sean Mahan

DE- Robaire Smith/ Robert Gathers
DT- Casey Hampton/ Hagloti Ngata
OLB- Kameron Wimbley/ James Harrison
MLB-D'Qwell Jackson / Leon Williams
CB- Leigh Bodden/ Chris McCalister
FS- Ed Reed/ Anthony Smith
SS- Troy Polamalu/ Sean Jones/ Dawan Landry
K- Matt Stover / Jeff Reed
P- Daniel Sepulveda / Dave Zastudil
Ret- Josh Cribbs

themaninblack
11-24-2007, 01:08 AM
carson palmer? tj houshmanzadeh? willie anderson?

EdReedUnstoppable
11-24-2007, 01:28 AM
QB: Carson Palmer
RB: Willis McGahee
FB: Lawrence Vickers
WR: Chad Johnson
WR: Braylon Edwards
TE: Kellen Winslow Jr.
OT: Levi jones
OG: Alan Faneca
C: Sean Mahan
G: Eric Steinbach
OT: Willie Anderson
For the D Im not gonna do 34 and 4-3 this is gonna be the best 4 DLs, and the 4 best LBs.

DL: Aaron Smith
DL: Kelly Gregg
DL: Haloti Ngata
DL: Robaire Smith
OLB: Clark Haggans
MLB: Ray Lewis
MLB: James Farrior
OLB: James Harrison
CB: Chris McAlister
FS: Ed Reed
SS: Troy Polamalu
CB: Leigh Bodden

BmoreBlackByrdz
11-24-2007, 07:29 AM
QB: Carson Palmer/Ben Roethlisberger
RB: Willis McGahee/Willie Parker(3rd down RB)
WR: Chad Johnson
WR: Braylon Edwards
WR: Hines Ward
TE: Kellen Winslow Jr.
OT: Joe Thomas
OG: Alan Faneca
C: Hank Fraley
G: Ben Grubbs
OT: Willie Anderson

3-4 Defense
DE: Haloti Ngata
DT: Kelly Gregg
DT: Casey Hampton
DE: Terrell Suggs
OLB: Kamerion Wimbley
MLB: Ray Lewis
OLB: James Harrison
CB: Chris McAlister
FS: Ed Reed
SS: Troy Polamalu
CB: Leigh Bodden

Freddy G
11-24-2007, 10:02 AM
Leigh Bodden doesn't even belong on the AFC north practice squad.

BmoreBlackByrdz
11-24-2007, 10:19 AM
Leigh Bodden doesn't even belong on the AFC north practice squad.

True, he does get burned alot but who else would you rather have? Leon Hall could be a possibilty....

Jakey
11-24-2007, 10:46 AM
QB - Ben Roethlisberger
RB - Willie Parker
RB - Najeh Davenport
TE - Heath Miller
WR - Hines Ward
WR - Santonio Holmes

DE - Brett Keisel
NT - Casey Hampton
DE - Aaron Smith

OLB - James Harrison
ILB - Larry Foote
ILB - James Farrior
OLB - Clark Haggans

CB - Ike Taylor
CB - Deshea Townsend

S - Anthony Smith
S - Troy polamalu

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Only j/k

QB - Big Ben
QB - Carson Palmer

RB - Willis McGahee
RB - Willie Parker

TE - Kellen Winslow
TE - Heath Miller

WR - Hines Ward
WR - Braylon Edwards
WR - TJ Shoebomber
WR - Santonio Holmes

OT - Joe Thomas
OG - Alan Faneca
C - Sean Mahan
OG - Eric Steinbach
OT - Willie Anderson

...

DE - Brett Keisel
NT - Casey Hampton
DE - Haloti Ngata

OLB - James Harrison
ILB - Ray Lewis
ILB - James Farrior
OLB - Kamerion Wimbley

CB - Chris McAlister
CB - Ike Taylor

FS - Ed Reed
SS - Troy Polamalu

Smooth Criminal
11-24-2007, 12:22 PM
QB: Ben Roethlisberger
RB: Willie Parker
FB: Lawrence Vickers
WR: TJ Houshmanzadah
WR: Braylon Edwards
WR: Santonio Holmes
TE: Kellen Winslow
LT: Joe Thomas
LG: Eric Steinbach
C: Hank Fraley
RG: Ben Grubbs
RT: Willie Anderson

3-4 D
DE: Aaron Smith
NT: Casey Hampton
DE: Haloti Ngata
OLB: Kamerian Wimbley
ILB: Ray Lewis
ILB: James Farrior
OLB: James Harrison
CB: Chris McCalister
CB: Ike Taylor
FS: Ed Reed
SS: Troy Polamalu

Smooth Criminal
11-24-2007, 12:23 PM
True, he does get burned alot but who else would you rather have? Leon Hall could be a possibilty....

I'd personally rather have Hall, Rolle, or Ike Taylor. Is everyone finally coming to realise that Bodden is way overrated?

RoyHall#1
11-24-2007, 05:22 PM
I'd personally rather have Hall, Rolle, or Ike Taylor. Is everyone finally coming to realise that Bodden is way overrated?

He wasn't overrated last year.

Smooth Criminal
11-24-2007, 05:34 PM
Thats true. He wasn't overrated until Browns fans liked to claim that he shoudl be on the AFCN team and anyone that said anyone else should be on over him was made to look like an idiot.

Fact is there are atleast 3 corners that deserve that spot more than him. I'd probably take Townsend before him aswell.

PoopSandwich
11-26-2007, 10:21 PM
I'd personally rather have Hall, Rolle, or Ike Taylor. Is everyone finally coming to realise that Bodden is way overrated?

Bodden was fine when he was healthy, hes been playing with injuries pretty much all year, he looks soooooo slow.

Smooth Criminal
11-27-2007, 10:25 PM
He has looked pretty awful this year. He not only looks slow but he has blow coverages many times this year. Hes also made some great plays but he definately isn't playing at any level about average.

Might be the injuries. That could definately slow him down atleast. We'll see how he plays as the season goes on.

themaninblack
11-27-2007, 10:58 PM
have the afc north fans noticed the progression of leon hall this year? every bengal fan that i happen to know seems to think hes still terrible. needless to say i respect you're imput more than theirs.

The OUTLAW
12-22-2007, 09:41 PM
He is a rookie, but every time I've seen him play, Hall has been awful.

steelersfan27
12-24-2007, 10:58 AM
QB: Ben Roethlisberger/ Derek Anderson
RB: Willie Parker/ Willis McGahee
WR: TJ Houshmanzadah/ Hines Ward
WR: Braylon Edwards/ Derrick Mason
WR: Santonio Holmes/ Chad Johnson
TE: Kellen Winslow/ Todd Heap
LT: Joe Thomas
LG: Eric Steinbach
C: Hank Fraley
RG: Ben Grubbs
RT: Willie Anderson

3-4 D
DE: Aaron Smith
NT: Casey Hampton
DE: Haloti Ngata
OLB: Bart Scott
ILB: Ray Lewis
ILB: James Farrior
OLB: James Harrison
CB: Chris McCalister
CB: Ike Taylor
FS: Ed Reed
SS: Troy Polamalu

Shere Khan
03-03-2008, 01:58 PM
lol, you never bothered to ask me about Leon Hall.


He made some great plays this year, and I only see him improving.
He also however, was a rookie, and you could tell sometimes.

Next year he'll definitely be one to lookout for.

JSimmsy21
03-10-2008, 12:22 PM
offense

QB: C. Palmer/ D. Anderson
RB: W. McGahee/ J. Lewis
FB: L. Vickers
LT: J. Thomas/ L. Jones
LG: E. Steinbach
C: H. Fraley
RG: R. Tucker/ or that guy from pittsburgh?
RT: W. Anderson
WR: B. Edwards/H. Ward
WR: C. Johnson/ T.J.
TE: K.Winslow/ T. Heap

3-4 defense
RDE: C. Williams
NT: C. Hampton/H. Ngata/S. Rogers
LDE: that other guy from Pittsburgh
ROLB: K. Wimbley
ILB: R. Lewis
ILB: J. Farrior
LOLB: T. Suggs
CB: C. McAllister/ E. Wright
CB: ? ..we dont really have great coners is the AFCN
FS: E. Reed
SS: T. Polomalu

DawgBone
03-13-2008, 04:12 PM
QB - Carson Palmer
RB - Willie Parker (when healthy)
FB - Lawrence Vickers
WR - Chad Johnson (when happy)
WR - Braylon Edwards
WR - TJ Houshmenzada
TE - Kellen Winslow
LT -Joe Thomas (if Ogden retires, but regaurdless JT played better in 08)
LG - Eric Steinbach (since Faneca is gone)
OC - Hank Fraley
RG - Ben Grubbs
RT - Willie Anderson

3-4 deffense
DE - Haloti Ngata
NT - Casey Hampton
DE - Shaun Rogers
OLB - Terrell Suggs
MLB - Ray Lewis (hes going downhill)
MLB - Whatever Pittsburg guy you feel like is having a better week.
OLB - Kamerion Wimbley
CB - Chris Mccallister
CB - hard to say, but prolly Joseph or Ike Taylor
FS - Ed Reed
SS - Troy Palomalu

DawgBone
03-13-2008, 04:18 PM
offense

QB: C. Palmer/ D. Anderson
RB: W. McGahee/ J. Lewis
FB: L. Vickers
LT: J. Thomas/ L. Jones
LG: E. Steinbach
C: H. Fraley
RG: R. Tucker/ or that guy from pittsburgh?
RT: W. Anderson
WR: B. Edwards/H. Ward
WR: C. Johnson/ T.J.
TE: K.Winslow/ T. Heap

3-4 defense
RDE: C. Williams
NT: C. Hampton/H. Ngata/S. Rogers
LDE: that other guy from Pittsburgh
ROLB: K. Wimbley
ILB: R. Lewis
ILB: J. Farrior
LOLB: T. Suggs
CB: C. McAllister/ E. Wright
CB: ? ..we dont really have great coners is the AFCN
FS: E. Reed
SS: T. Polomalu

Very hard to trust your opinion when you list Anderson above Big Ben. If you did a pole on Browns.com, 75% of our fans would say Quinn is better than Anderson let alone Ben. Ngata is a DE (Kelly Grag is there NT). Corey Williams has never played 3-4 DE in the pros, so how are you rating him top 2 in the AFC North? Prolly should take him off and put Ngata there. Just some tidbits.

Mr. Stiller
03-15-2008, 07:41 AM
QB: Ben Roethlisberger -> Carson Palmer
RB: Willie Parker & Willis McGahee -> Mewelde Moore (3rd down back)(Dual Back system)
FB: Lawrence Vickers -> Le'Ron McClain
WR1: Chad Johnson -> Hines Ward
WR2: Braylon Edwards -> TJ Houshmanzadeh
WR3: Kellen Winslow -> Santonio Holmes
TE: Heath Miller -> Todd Heap

LT: Joe Thomas -> Marvel Smith
LG: Eric Steinbach -> Jason Brown
C: Hank Fraley -> Eric Ghuiciac
RG: Ben Grubbs -> Kendall Simmons
RT: Willie Anderson -> Marshall Yanda


RDE: Haloti Ngata -> Antwan Odom
NT: Casey Hampton -> Domata Peko
LDE: Aaron Smith -> Robaire Smith

ROLB: James Harrison -> Kamerion Wimbley
RILB: Ray Lewis -> Ahmad Brooks
LILB: James Farrior -> Odell Thurman
LOLB: LaMarr Woodley -> Robert Geathers

CB: Ike Taylor -> Chris McCallister -> Eric Wright
CB: Jonathon Joseph -> Leon Hall -> Daven Holly

FS: Ed Reed -> Anthony Smith
SS: Troy Polamalu -> Sean Jones

P: Daniel Sepulveda
K: Jeff Reed

KR/PR: Joshua Cribbs -> Yamon Figurs

LS: Who ****** cares

JSimmsy21
03-16-2008, 12:38 PM
Very hard to trust your opinion when you list Anderson above Big Ben. If you did a pole on Browns.com, 75% of our fans would say Quinn is better than Anderson let alone Ben. Ngata is a DE (Kelly Grag is there NT). Corey Williams has never played 3-4 DE in the pros, so how are you rating him top 2 in the AFC North? Prolly should take him off and put Ngata there. Just some tidbits.

i put DA above Ben b/c Ben is always hurt or something.

NOBODY knows for sure if Quinn is better than DA. period.

i'm pretty sure, but i could be wrong, that Baltimore drafted Ngata to take over the NT spot at some point. thats what the browns were gonna draft him for before Romeo decided he'd rather have a pass rusher and Baltimore traded up for him.

i have williams at DE b/c no one from the bengals roster can play DE in a 3-4. i have Ngata listed as NT, and Trever Pryce is getting pretty old. I have Aaron Smith on one side, but Keisel is nothing special.

DawgBone
03-22-2008, 03:22 PM
i put DA above Ben b/c Ben is always hurt or something.

NOBODY knows for sure if Quinn is better than DA. period.

i'm pretty sure, but i could be wrong, that Baltimore drafted Ngata to take over the NT spot at some point. thats what the browns were gonna draft him for before Romeo decided he'd rather have a pass rusher and Baltimore traded up for him.

i have williams at DE b/c no one from the bengals roster can play DE in a 3-4. i have Ngata listed as NT, and Trever Pryce is getting pretty old. I have Aaron Smith on one side, but Keisel is nothing special.


Roethlesberger = 32 TD - 11 INT - 65% completion rating:102
Anderson = 29 TD - 19 INT - 56% completion rating: 82

AND Roethlesberger is allways hurt? He missed 4 games in 2004 because of an emergency apendectomy. And he didnt play in 2 games in his rookie year. The last 2 years he has missed 1 game each season, but could have played if he really needed to.



And noone from the Bengals D can play DE in a 3-4? Peko could. And also Justin Smith just signed with the 49ers to play DE in their 3-4.

You can have Ngata listed at NT all you want BUT when his team list AND plays him at DE, then I think its safe to call him a DE. Ngata is also to athletic to be a NT, thats why they kept him on the edge where he can give somewhat of a pass rush.

And I didnt say Quinn was better, I just said in a poll, fans allways vote for Quinn over Anderson in their opinions. Which counts for absolutely nothing, I just threw it out there because its true.

ChefMike
03-30-2008, 07:10 PM
Well now lets be fair here to the Ravens... he might play on the end of the D-Line.. but he is not a DE... he plays the side the Suggs plays and he is the real DE there we play a hybrid 3-4 scheme... I liken the defense to that of (basketball reference here) the defense commonly know as the "amoeba" that tark the shark used at UNLV.. because it can't be classified as anything. It develops into what ever it has to in order to stop the opposing teams offense...

EdReedUnstoppable
05-04-2008, 01:44 AM
Here is my 2008-2009 All AFC North squad.....

QB: Joe Flacco
RB: Ray Rice
FB: Le'Ron McClain
WR: Justin Harper
WR: Limas Sweed
TE: Quinn Sypniewski
OT: Jared Gaither
OG: Chris Kemoeatu
C: LeCharles Bentley
RG: Ben Grubbs
RT: David Hale

DE: Robert Geathers
DT: Haloti Ngata
DT: Kelly Gregg
DE: Antwan Barnes
OLB: Keith Rivers
MLB: Prescott Burgess
OLB: Tavares Gooden
CB: Fabian Washington
CB: David Pittman
FS: Haruki Nakamura
SS: Tom Zbikowski

themaninblack
05-04-2008, 01:50 AM
thats pretty much laughable^

EdReedUnstoppable
05-04-2008, 10:22 AM
thats pretty much laughable^

Well that was the purpose!

dcarey20
05-04-2008, 11:49 AM
QB - Carson Palmer
RB - Willis McGahee
FB - Lawrence Vickers
WR - Braylon Edwards
WR - Chad Johnson
TE - Kellen Winslow
LT - Joe Thomas
LG - Eric Steinbach
C - Eric Ghuiciac
RG - Ben Grubbs
RT - Willie Anderson

DE - Haloti Ngata
NT - Casey Hampton
DE - Aaron Smith
OLB - Terrell Suggs
ILB - Ray Lewis
ILB - James Farrior
OLB - James Harrison
CB - Chris McAlister
FS - Ed Reed
SS - Troy Polamalu
CB - Ike Taylor

hobbes2053
05-04-2008, 12:02 PM
i like how no one seems to be giving any of the Bengals players any credit. the Browns do semi-decent for one year and they are instantly better? Carson Palmer is probably the best QB in the AFC-N and is much better than Derek Anderson will ever be.

EdReedUnstoppable
05-04-2008, 12:31 PM
i like how no one seems to be giving any of the Bengals players any credit. the Browns do semi-decent for one year and they are instantly better? Carson Palmer is probably the best QB in the AFC-N and is much better than Derek Anderson will ever be.

Who said Anderson was better than Palmer? And can we please have that person banned please? Derek Anderson is the most overrated QB in the game, and when he falls into obscurity over the next 3 seasons, I'll be laughing the hardest.

EdReedUnstoppable
05-04-2008, 12:43 PM
My real preseason All AFC North team is......

QB: Carson Palmer
RB: Willis McGahee
FB: Jeremi Johnson
WR: Chad Johnson
WR: Braylon Edwards
TE: Kellen Winslow
OT: Joe Thomas
OG: Eric Steinbach
C: Justin Hartwig
OG: Ben Grubbs
OT: Willie Anderson



4-3 Defense
DE: Robert Geathers
DT: Haloti Ngata
DT: Shaun Rogers
DE: Terrell Suggs
OLB: James Harrison
MLB: Ray Lewis
OLB: ewe this makes me sick but....Bart Scott
CB: Chris McAlister
FS: Ed Reed
SS: Troy Polamalu
CB: Deltha O'neal


3-4 Defense
DE: Trevor Pryce
DT: Casey Hampton
DE: Haloti Ngata
OLB: James Harrison
MLB: Ray Lewis
MLB: Larry Foote
OLB: Terrell Suggs
CB: Chris McAlister
FS: Ed Reed
SS: Troy Polamalu
CB: Ike Taylor

themaninblack
05-04-2008, 03:42 PM
Well that was the purpose!

I hope so!

themaninblack
05-04-2008, 03:50 PM
Deltha O'Neal prolly won't even be a starter this year btw. My Preseason ALL AFC-N Team is:
QB-Carson Palmer, Big Ben
RB- Willis, Mendenhall
FB- Jeremi Johnson
WR1-Braylon Edwards
WR2- TJ Houshmanzadeh
TE- Kellen Winslow, Ben Utecht
LT- Joe Thomas
LG-Eric Steinbach
OC- Eric Ghiaciuc, Justin Hartwig
RT- Willie Anderson

Stacey Andrews would probably be on my list if he had a position at this point.

DE- Robert Geathers
DT- Haloti Ngata
DT- Shaun Rogers, Casey Hampton
DE- Lamarr Woodley
OLB- Keith Rivers
MLB- Ray Lewis
OLB- Ahmad Brooks(IDK about this one)
CB1- Chris Mcallister
CB2- Jonathan Joseph
FS- Ed Reed
SS- Polamalu

EdReedUnstoppable
05-05-2008, 07:08 PM
Deltha O'Neal prolly won't even be a starter this year btw. My Preseason ALL AFC-N Team is:
QB-Carson Palmer, Big Ben
RB- Willis, Mendenhall
FB- Jeremi Johnson
WR1-Braylon Edwards
WR2- TJ Houshmanzadeh
TE- Kellen Winslow, Ben Utecht
LT- Joe Thomas
LG-Eric Steinbach
OC- Eric Ghiaciuc, Justin Hartwig
RT- Willie Anderson

Stacey Andrews would probably be on my list if he had a position at this point.

DE- Robert Geathers
DT- Haloti Ngata
DT- Shaun Rogers, Casey Hampton
DE- Lamarr Woodley
OLB- Keith Rivers
MLB- Ray Lewis
OLB- Ahmad Brooks(IDK about this one)
CB1- Chris Mcallister
CB2- Jonathan Joseph
FS- Ed Reed
SS- Polamalu


Well there are no other good corners in the AFC North and Samari was hurt last year so I didnt put him in my preseason all AFC North squad.

RoyHall#1
05-06-2008, 12:06 PM
Eric Wright...

EdReedUnstoppable
05-06-2008, 05:08 PM
Eric Wright...

Jury still out!

eliteeagle
05-06-2008, 05:16 PM
QB: Big Ben
RB: Jamal Lewis
FB: eh who cares..... Vickers
WR: TJ
WR: Braylon Edwards
TE: Kellen Winslow
OT: Joe Thomas
OG: Eric Steinbach
C: Justin Hartwig
OG: Ben Grubbs?
OT: Willie Anderson



4-3 Defense
DE: tough one....Pryce?
DT: Haloti Ngata
DT: Shaun Rogers
DE: Terrell Suggs
OLB: James Harrison
MLB: Ray Lewis
OLB: another tough one... Wimbley?
CB: Chris McAlister
FS: Ed Reed
SS: Troy Polamalu
CB: E Wright

themaninblack
05-06-2008, 06:56 PM
Jury still out!

Add Leon Hall/Jonathan Joseph to the "possible" list. I fully expect JJ to be one of the better corners in this division and maybe even in the whole conference.

Bengalsrocket
05-06-2008, 07:09 PM
Deltha O'Neal prolly won't even be a starter this year btw. My Preseason ALL AFC-N Team is:
QB-Carson Palmer, Big Ben
RB- Willis, Mendenhall
FB- Jeremi Johnson
WR1-Braylon Edwards
WR2- TJ Houshmanzadeh
TE- Kellen Winslow, Ben Utecht
LT- Joe Thomas
LG-Eric Steinbach
OC- Eric Ghiaciuc, Justin Hartwig
RT- Willie Anderson

Stacey Andrews would probably be on my list if he had a position at this point.

DE- Robert Geathers
DT- Haloti Ngata
DT- Shaun Rogers, Casey Hampton
DE- Lamarr Woodley
OLB- Keith Rivers
MLB- Ray Lewis
OLB- Ahmad Brooks(IDK about this one)
CB1- Chris Mcallister
CB2- Jonathan Joseph
FS- Ed Reed
SS- Polamalu

How does Mendenhall make the team? and utecht over heap? And Jonathan Joseph?

its pretty hard to be on an all-pro team when you haven't done anything...

themaninblack
05-06-2008, 07:11 PM
all afc north is not an all pro team. Its just my guess for who will be the best players in the position this year.

Bengalsrocket
05-06-2008, 07:30 PM
I was under the impression when you make a team, you build it with the best players. I guess if you want to get risky you can choose your "sleeper" picks, but I think you'd have a hard time arguing that your current all AFC north team is the best variation of the AFC north right now.

themaninblack
05-06-2008, 08:16 PM
ya i didn't do it like that but idk about everyone else. I picked the guys that I think either are/or will be the best players at their position in the AFCN. The Bengals homerism may be apparent but a guy like JJ is pretty much known as one of the better players at CB already and thats mainly due to the weakness at the position in this division in general.

GrandChamp13
05-10-2008, 11:29 AM
QB- Ben Roethlisberger(PIT) - IMO Third Best QB in the NFL
HB- Willie Parker(PIT) - Leading rusher til INJ/Willis McGahee(BAL) - Probowl
FB- Lawrence Vickers(CLE)- Can run and block
LWR- Braylon Edwards(CLE) - Best hands in Division Good Speed/Height
RWR- TJ Houshmanzadah(CIN) - Tough Guy Great Hands I hate him though
SLWR- Hines Ward(PIT) - Best Blocker of all WRs plus he's a Clutch Reciever
TE- K2(CLE)- Great Speed and Hands for a TE
LT- Joe Thomas(CLE) - Gave up only One Sack
LG- Eric Steinbech(CLE) - Just Awesome
C- Justin Hartwig(PIT) - Weak Division for Cs This guy will be Nice for PIT
RG- Kendell Simmons(PIT) - IMO better than Faneca Last Year
RT- Willie Anderson(CIN) - Great When Healthy

LDE- Aaron Smith(PIT) - Did u see what happened when he got injured
NT- Casey Hampton(PIT) - Best NT in Football (Yeah he's better than FatPat)
RDE- Haloti Ngata(BAL) - Ngata, Smith and Seymour are Top 3 3-4DEs in NFL
LOLB-LaMarr Woodley(PIT) - Great Production with 0 Starts
LILB- James Farrior(PIT) - Leader of the #1 Defense 2007
RILB- Ray Lewis(BAL) - IMO Still the Best LB in Football
ROLB-James Harrison(PIT) - Awesome last year
LCB-Ike Taylor(PIT) - Shuts down ProBowl Recievers consistantly (2nd best CB in AFC North without question!!!!!! AFC-N CBs are not as weak as you guys imply... Pittsburgh had the 3rdOVR Ranked Pass Defense with a decent passrush)
FS- Ed Reed(BAL) - Great Hands Dangerous w/the rock SMART
SS- Troy Polamalu(PIT) - Very Smart Great Hitter All-Effort
RCB- Chris McAllister(BAL) - Top-3 CB when healthy

Hines
05-11-2008, 06:32 PM
QB: Ben Roethlisberger
RB: Jamal Lewis
WR: Braylon Edwards
WR: Santonio Holmes
WR: TJ Houshmanzadeh
TE: Kellen Winslow
LT: Joe Thomas
LG: Eric Steinbach
C: Justin Hartwig
RG: Ben Grubbs
Rt: Adam Terry

DE: Aaron Smith
Dt: Casey Hampton
DE: Haloti Ngata
OLB: Antwan Barnes *sleeper
MLB: James Farrior
MLB: Ray Lewis
OLB: LaMarr Woodley
CB: Ike Taylor
FS: Ed Reed
SS: Troy Polamalu
CB: Fabian Washington * I see him taking Rolles spot

K: Matt Stover
P: Daniel Sepulveda

Predictions:

Pittsburgh
Cleveland
Cincinati
Baltimore

AFCN Offensive MVP: Ben Roethlisberger
AFCN Defensive MVP: Ray Lewis (I think he plays like his old days)
AFCN OROY: Rashard Mendenhall
AFCN DROY: Keith Rivers

Sleeper players to look out for:

Antwan Barnes OLB/DE Baltimore
Brandon McDonald CB Cleveland
LaMarr Woodley OLB Pittsburgh
Lawrence Timmons MLB Pittsburgh
Andre Caldwell WR Cincinati (I think he will start out as the number 3)
Beau Bell LB Cleveland
Tavares Gooden LB Baltimore

scottyboy
05-11-2008, 06:40 PM
you know ERU, for giggles, I came here and searched the page for "Rice", and I was pleasantly surprised you put him up there. I was sort of beat to the punch, and I am shamed... touche my friend, touche

AkiliSmith
05-14-2008, 07:38 PM
QB - Carson Palmer
RB - Willie Parker
FB - Le'Ron McClain
WR - Chad Johnson
WR - Braylon Edwards
TE - Todd Heap
LT - Joe Thomas
LG - Eric Steinbach
C - Hank Fraley
RG - Bobbie Williams
RT - Stacy Andrews

DE - Terrell Suggs
DT - Corey Williams
DT - Casey Hampton
DE - Kamerion Whimbley
WLB - Keith Rivers
MLB - James Farrior
SLB - James Harrison
CB - Ike Taylor
CB - Chris McAlister
FS - Ed Reed
SS - Troy Polamalu

PoopSandwich
09-14-2008, 02:57 AM
QB - Big Ben
HB - Willie Parker/Lewis
FB - Vickers
TE - Winslow/Miller
WR - BE
WR - COC
WR - TJ
LT - JT
LG - Stein
C - Fraley
RG - Grubbs
RT - Willie

Running my variation of a 4-3 defense...

DE - Wimbley
DT - Ngata
DT - Rogers
DE - T. Suggs
OLB - Harrison
MLB - Ray Ray
OLB - Bart Scott
CB - McCalister
FS - Reed
SS - Polamalu
CB - Ike Taylor

KR - Cribbs
K - Dawson
P - Sepulvada if healthy.

Quite a bit of Miami Hurricanes on that team.

brat316
09-14-2008, 03:06 AM
Rodgers over Hampton

Good no Steeler O-linemen deserves to be on that list, last year everyone had Mahan hahaaha.

Would Suggs just be a stand up rusher.

No one from the Bungles ended up on D.

WR set is pretty nasty

Cribbs>Hester
09-14-2008, 10:41 AM
QB Ben Roethlisberger
RB Jamal Lewis
FB Lawrence Vickers
WR Chad Johnson
WR Braylon Edwards
TE Kellen Winslow
LT Joe Thomas
LG Eric Steinbach
C Justin Hartwig
RG Ben Grubbs
RT Stacy Andrews

DE Haloti Ngata
NT Casey Hampton
DE Aaron Smith
OLB James Harrison
ILB James Farrior
ILB Ray Lewis
OLB Terrell Suggs
CB Chris McAllister
CB Ike Taylor
FS Ed Reed
SS Troy Polamalu
K Matt Stover
P Daniel Sepulveda
LS Ryan Pontbriand
KR Joshua Cribbs

Steelers - 9
Browns - 8
Ravens - 7
Bengals - 2

Mr. Stiller
10-04-2008, 02:39 AM
My Week 5 AFCN List:

I'm writing this up as if we have to field a team to take on other divisions best team. I will knock guys for inconsistency and Attitude.

QB: Ben Roethlisberger -> Joe Flacco

Ben's been Struggling for lack of help from the Oline AND a severe lack of creativity from the OC spot. Arians is terrible. Flacco is the young incumbent sitting in the wings.

RB: Willie Parker -> LeRon McClain -> Mewelde Moore

Willis McGahee is a talented back but Parker has been better for 2 years straight now. His speed, and tenacity added with McClains Earl Campbell-esque Running would make this a very potent 2-punch. Mewelde Moore is one of the best Pass catchers out of the backfield, a reliable 5 carry guy and an excellent blitz pickup guy. Basically your prototypical 3rd down RB.

FB: Lawrence Vickers -> Sean McHugh(Yeah it's a bit early, but watch you'll see)


WR1: Santonio Holmes -> TJ Houshmanzadeh
WR2: Derrick Mason -> Braylon Edwards
WR3: Hines Ward -> Demetrius Williams

I want Receivers that can catch, be consistent and no attitude problems. Hence the prevalent lack of Ocho Something. I'm iffy on Edwards Hands but He's the best option. Holmes Speed and big play threat, added with Mason/Wards ability to find holes in any zone coverage and make undoubtedly any catch possible is why they have there. I believe Ward is superior to Mason, but I like Ward playing from the Slot. Add Mason, Holmes and Wards Run blocking which is unparalleled in the league. Housh is a guy that could compete for #1. He doesn't quit, but he can be rattled. Edwards is too streaky to be a starter for me. I want the WR's to be reliable.. He's not at this point. Demetrius Williams may not be everyones choice for the backup slot WR, but he can find an opening has extremely good and deceptive speed and is an excellent receiver.

TE: Heath Miller -> Kellen Winslow

I figure I'll catch the most **** for this one. Winslow is an excellent receiver and a mismatch for any team. Which is why I'd be using him split out as a 4th WR. He's not a blocker. He's not afraid to get his clothes dirty and try to block, but that doesn't mean he's great at it. Meanwhile Heath Miller is an excellent Blocker and a guy that can be a consistent threat over the middle of the field for 8-12 yards a pop. I'd still be cycling Winslow in at the #3 Slot. The 2nd great thing about Sean McHugh (FB) is he is a TE as well. Solid no **** blocker too.


LT: Joe Thomas -> Levi Jones
LG: Eric Steinbach -> Ben Grubbs
C: Hank Fraley -> Justin Hartwig
RG: Willie Colon -> Chris Kemoeatu
RT: Jared Gaither -> Kevin Shaffer

I don't think there's much to complain about here. In fact that line is amazing. Center could be upgraded but, I don't think many other Divisions could field superior OL's. Only one I can think of is NFCEast between Dallas/Philly and Was. NYG has a good line, not a great one.


For Defense I'm using a 3-4 Hybrid Alignment. Don't be discouraged if your favorite player or someone doesn't make it.

RDE: Haloti Ngata -> Brett Keisel -> Shaun Rogers
NT: Casey Hampton -> Kelly Gregg -> Shaun Rogers
LDE: Aaron Smith -> Trevor Price -> Shaun Rogers

ROLB: James Harrison -> Terrell Suggs
RILB: Ray Lewis -> Lawrence Timmons
LILB: James Farrior -> Larry Foote
LOLB: LaMarr Woodley -> Robert Geathers

CB: Chris McCallister -> Ike Taylor -> Eric Wright
CB: Bryant McFadden -> Jonathon Joseph

FS: Ed Reed -> Ryan Clark
SS: Troy Polamalu -> Sean Jones

PR: Joshua Cribbs
KR: Joshua Cribbs

P: Sam Koch (Was a toss up between Sep and Koch and Sep is injured)
K: Jeff Reed

I'm expecting some retaliation for Jeff Reed over Matt Stover, but it won't change my mind. Stover loses for 2 things in this battle. 1) Jeff Reed has been Money the last 2 years and still getting better. 2) he has cooler hair.

HC: Mike Tomlin
OC: Cam Cameron ASST: Bob Bratkowski
DC: Dick Lebeau ASST:Rex Ryan

Bengalsrocket
10-04-2008, 10:15 AM
Flacco isn't that much younger than Palmer. You're going to put an unproven QB as your back up for an extra 3-4 years of play (assuming a former 1st round pick would even ride the bench for big ben's entire career)?

Thats my only real complaints with your team. Though I still think the NFC east or the AFC South would just dominate all other teams if this actually happened.

Gay Ork Wang
10-04-2008, 10:18 AM
Flacco isn't that much younger than Palmer. You're going to put an unproven QB as your back up for an extra 3-4 years of play (assuming a former 1st round pick would even ride the bench for big ben's entire career)?

Thats my only real complaints with your team. Though I still think the NFC east or the AFC South would just dominate all other teams if this actually happened.
I actually think an all NFC North team would dominate like nothing else.

Smooth Criminal
10-05-2008, 09:45 AM
An NFC North team would be unstopable. They could field an amazing defense and they really could piece together a great offense. Imagine an offense with Adrian Peterson and a legit QB.

Mr. Stiller
10-07-2008, 07:51 AM
An NFC North team would be unstopable. They could field an amazing defense and they really could piece together a great offense. Imagine an offense with Adrian Peterson and a legit QB.

I dunno.

AFCN: #1, #2, #15, #19 Defenses. 9.25 Avg (Damn you Cleve/cincy)
NFCN: #8, #9, #26, #32 Defenses. 18.75 Avg
AFCS: #5, #18, #21, #24 Defenses. 17 Avg.

Offensively:

AFCN: #25, #27, #31, #32 28.7 AVG
NFCN: #11, #12, #18, #28 17.25 Avg
AFCS: #13, #16, #25, #26 20 Avg.


I think they'd be amazing games, I can't see AFCN Getting Rocked like some think.

Smooth Criminal
10-07-2008, 10:01 PM
An all NFC North team would be amazing. They dont have the best teams, but they all have some great pieces that would really make a dominant team.

QB: Aaron Rodgers
RB: Adrian Peterson
WR1: Donald Driver
WR2: Calvin Johnson
WR3: Greg Jennings
TE: Desmond Clark
LT: Chad Clifton
LG Steve Hutchinson
C: Olin Kruetz
RG: Jason Spitz
RT: Jon Tait

NFC North has some defensive studs. They have some good pash rushers at DE and they would have the linebackers to run a perfect cover 2 defense. They have a good group of guys in the secondary as well.

DE: Aaron Kampman
DT: Kevin Williams
DT: Tommie Harris
DE: Jared Allen
OLB: Lance Briggs
MLB: Brian Urlacher
OLB: Ernie Sims
CB: Charles Woodson
FS:Mike Brown
SS:Atari Bigby
CB: Al Harris

That would be a completely dominant defense in my mind. Ridiculous speed at linebacker, great pass rushing DL, and a great secondary.

Offense is unstoppable with a dominant OL, Adrian Peterson, and a great passing attack.

AFC North might have more talent overall, but you can field a better team with the NFC North players.

Mr. Stiller
10-10-2008, 05:54 PM
An all NFC North team would be amazing. They dont have the best teams, but they all have some great pieces that would really make a dominant team.

QB: Aaron Rodgers
RB: Adrian Peterson
WR1: Donald Driver
WR2: Calvin Johnson
WR3: Greg Jennings
TE: Desmond Clark
LT: Chad Clifton
LG Steve Hutchinson
C: Olin Kruetz
RG: Jason Spitz
RT: Jon Tait

NFC North has some defensive studs. They have some good pash rushers at DE and they would have the linebackers to run a perfect cover 2 defense. They have a good group of guys in the secondary as well.

DE: Aaron Kampman
DT: Kevin Williams
DT: Tommie Harris
DE: Jared Allen
OLB: Lance Briggs
MLB: Brian Urlacher
OLB: Ernie Sims
CB: Charles Woodson
FS:Mike Brown
SS:Atari Bigby
CB: Al Harris

That would be a completely dominant defense in my mind. Ridiculous speed at linebacker, great pass rushing DL, and a great secondary.

Offense is unstoppable with a dominant OL, Adrian Peterson, and a great passing attack.

AFC North might have more talent overall, but you can field a better team with the NFC North players.

I don't know, would be a hell of a match.

I think you're selling the AFCN short a bit.

Smooth Criminal
10-10-2008, 06:10 PM
AFCN wouldnt have a dominant line like that team. An all AFCN team would be good for sure, but that is simply a ridiculously stacked team. Can you imagine trying to stop Adrian Peterson behind that line with a good passing game?

Not to mention they get Hester on special teams. Who is better than Cribbs no matter what anyone says.

Mr. Stiller
10-10-2008, 06:16 PM
AFCN wouldnt have a dominant line like that team. An all AFCN team would be good for sure, but that is simply a ridiculously stacked team. Can you imagine trying to stop Adrian Peterson behind that line with a good passing game?

Not to mention they get Hester on special teams. Who is better than Cribbs no matter what anyone says.

Agreed, but at the same time..

You have Woodley, Lewis, Farrior, Harrison, Suggs, Geathers, Foote and Timmons.

Not only that.. that is quite possibly the BEST 3-4 DL in any division. Good OL or not..

How easy is it going to be to run into:

Aaron Smith ~ Casey Hampton ~ Haloti Ngata
LaMarr Woodley ~ James Farrior ~ Ray Lewis ~ James Harrison

I don't doubt it's a great OL with a Great RB. but really.. you take the best Cogs from the best 2 defenses in the league who are both averaging 2.8 YPC... and Combine them? I can't see AP breaking 40+ yards.

As for Aaron Rodgers, his play has severely declined (Yes injured Shoulder) but even after that. Just like DA last year, once teams got some tape, they knew how to counteract him.

Hester is > Cribbs. But the fact is, they're both top notch. Comes down to coverage. Who knows.

Again, I'm not doubting the NFCN would be a tough competitor, but to act like the AFCN Team has 0 Chance? Thats severely underrating them.

Smooth Criminal
10-11-2008, 10:41 AM
Anytime you get an all division team it is going to look stacked. Our defense would definately be amazing. With that front 7 and I'd take Troy, Reed, McCalister, and Jonathon Joseph behind it, it would be hard for any team to score.

I wouldn't have the same confidence in our offense. We really cant form a line as good as most divisions. We have alot of talented recievers, TEs and RBs.

Our defense would be damn good, as would almost every all division team. The NFCN has the perfect players to run a cover 2. We have a great 3-4 defense set up. On offense, I think most divisions would have a little more than us simply because of the lack of quality lineman.

Mr. Stiller
10-14-2008, 12:48 AM
Anytime you get an all division team it is going to look stacked. Our defense would definately be amazing. With that front 7 and I'd take Troy, Reed, McCalister, and Jonathon Joseph behind it, it would be hard for any team to score.

I wouldn't have the same confidence in our offense. We really cant form a line as good as most divisions. We have alot of talented recievers, TEs and RBs.

Our defense would be damn good, as would almost every all division team. The NFCN has the perfect players to run a cover 2. We have a great 3-4 defense set up. On offense, I think most divisions would have a little more than us simply because of the lack of quality lineman.


Possibly but their biggest advantage would be Adrian Peterson in the run game as we have Palmer/Roethlisberger to .... Rogers (Who's been so so) and ... Orton?.. Frerotte? Kitna?

So even thought their WR's look good.. who's going to get them the ball.. and if they can't run on our front.. thats what it comes down to.


Add the fact we have some top notch WR's, and QB's, and we have sufficient protection to get some plays moving...

I don't see it as such a sure thing for the NFCN..