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grushcow
11-25-2007, 09:14 PM
Notable Juniors not declaring
No junior QBs, RB Rashard Mendenhall, RB Ray Rice, RB James Davis, RB Kevin Smith, RB Jamaal Charles, RB Ian Johnson, WR Earl Bennett, WR Jaison Williams, WR Devin Thomas, WR Greg Carr, WR Mario Manningham, TE Martellus Bennett, OT Phil Loadholt, LB Brian Cushing, CB Jake Ikegwuonu

Defense for #1 overall selection: Jason Taylor will likely retire come the end of the season filling a much bigger need then DT. (other option Dorsey)
Give me some feedback
1 Miami – Chris Long, DE, Virginia
2 New England (from San Francisco)- Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
3 St. Louis – Jake Long, OT, Michigan
4 Oakland – Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas*
5 New York Jets – Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC
6 Cincinnati – Calais Campbell, DE, Miami (FL)*
7 Atlanta – Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville
8 New Orleans – Kenny Phillips, S, Miami (FL)*
9 Baltimore – Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College
10 Kansas City – Ryan Clady, OT, Boise St. *
11 Minnesota – Andre Woodson, QB, Kentucky
12 Carolina – James Laurinaitis, ILB, Ohio St.
13 Chicago – Gosder Cherilus, OT, Boston College
14 Arizona – Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio St.*
15 Houston – Jonathon Stewart, RB, Oregon*
16 Buffalo - DeSean Jackson, WR, California*
17 Denver – Rey Maualuga, LB, USC*
18 San Diego – Dan Connor, LB, Penn St.
19 Philadelphia – Adarius Bowman, WR, Oklahoma St.
20 Washington – Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida
21 Seattle – Vernon Gholston, DE, Ohio St.*
22 Dallas (from Cleveland)- Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona
23 Tampa Bay – Felix Jones, RB, Arkansas*
24 Tennessee – Malcolm Kelly, WR, Oklahoma*
25 Detroit – Colt Brennan, QB, Hawaii
26 Pittsburgh – Sam Baker, OT, USC
27 Jacksonville – James Hardy, WR, Indiana*
28 New York Giants – Reggie Smith, CB/S, Oklahoma*
29 San Francisco (from Indianapolis) – Frank Okam, NT, Texas
30 Green Bay – Steve Slaton, RB, West Virginia*
31 Dallas – Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss. *
32 New England (pick forfeited)

32 Miami – Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas*
33 San Francisco – Duke Robinson, G, Oklahoma*
34 St. Louis – Keith Rivers, LB, USC
35 Oakland – Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh
36 New York Jets - Martin Rucker, TE, Missouri
37 Cincinnati – Ali Highsmith, OLB, LSU
38 Atlanta – Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt
39 New Orleans – Mike Jenkins, CB, South Florida
40 Baltimore – DeJuan Tribble, CB, Boston College
41 Kansas City – Jordy Nelson, WR, Kansas St.
42 Minnesota – Josh Barrett, S, Arizona St.
43 Carolina – Erik Ainge, QB, Tennessee
44 Chicago – Mike Hart, RB, Michigan
45 Arizona – Erin Henderson, LB, Maryland*
46 Atlanta (from Houston)- Tyson Jackson, DT/DE, LSU*
47 Buffalo – Justin King, CB, Penn St.*
48 Denver – Jonathon Hefney, CB/S, Tennessee
49 Miami (from San Diego) – Eric Young, G/T, Tennessee
50 Philadelphia – Alex Boone, OT, Ohio St.*
51 Washington – Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tennessee St.
52 Seattle – Tashard Choice, RB, Georgia Tech
53 Cleveland – Lawrence Jackson, DE, USC
54 Tampa Bay – Earl Doucet, WR, LSU
55 Tennessee – Quentin Groves, DE/OLB, Auburn
56 Detroit – Leodis McKelvin, CB/KR, Troy
57 Pittsburgh – Shawn Crable, DE/OLB, Michigan
58 Jacksonville – Zack Bowman, CB, Nebraska
59 New York Giants – Tony Hills, OT, Texas
60 Indianapolis – Phillip Wheeler, OLB, Georgia Tech
61 Green Bay – Limas Sweed, WR, Texas
62 Dallas – DJ Hall, WR, Alabama
63 New England – J Leman, ILB, Illinois

64 Miami – Harry Douglas, WR, Louisville
65 San Francisco – Keenan Burton, WR, Kentucky
66 St. Louis – Tommy Blake, DE, TCU
67 New England (from Oakland)- Allen Patrick, RB, Oklahoma
68 New York Jets – Chad Henne, QB, Michigan
69 Cincinnati – DeMario Pressley, DT, North Carolina St.
70 Atlanta – Ryan Torain, RB, Arizona St.
71 New Orleans – Dre Moore, DT, Maryland
72 Buffalo (from Baltimore) – Fred Davis, TE, USC
73 Kansas City – Owen Schmitt, FB, West Virginia
74 Minnesota – Andre Caldwell, WR, Florida
75 Carolina – Craig Steltz, S, LSU
76 Chicago – Josh Johnson, QB, San Diego
77 Arizona – Chris Johnson, RB, East Carolina
78 Houston – Kirk Barton, OT, Ohio St.
79 Buffalo – Jonal Saint Dic, DE, Michigan St.
80 Minnesota (from Denver)- Terrell Thomas, CB, USC
81 Chicago (from San Diego) – Roy Scheuning, G, Oregon St.
82 Philadelphia – Jonathon Goff, ILB, Vanderbilt
83 Washington – Jasper Brinkley, ILB, South Carolina
84 Seattle – Davone Bess, WR, Hawaii*
85 Cleveland – Vince Hall, ILB, Virginia Tech
86 Tampa Bay – Tracy Porter, CB, Indiana
87 Tennessee – Chevis Jackson, CB, LSU
88 Detroit – Matt Forte, RB, Tulane
89 Pittsburgh – Dwight Lowery, CB, San Jose St.
90 Jacksonville – Barry Richardson, OT, Clemson
91 New York Giants Kendall Langford, DE, Hampton
92 Indianapolis – Charles Godfrey, CB, Iowa
93 Green Bay – Peyton Hillis, FB, Arkansas
94 Dallas – Javorskie Lane, FB, Texas A&M*
95 New England – Tom Zbikowski, S, Notre Dame

etk
11-25-2007, 09:16 PM
Great Bucs mock. Only beef I have is with the 3rd round pick. CB is the right call, but Godfrey would be my pick over Porter.

Scotty D
11-25-2007, 09:19 PM
Yup thats a realistic Millen draft. Nice!

gsorace
11-25-2007, 09:22 PM
Sorry but that is an awful Jets mock, I don't understand any of those picks.

TitanHope
11-25-2007, 09:24 PM
For the Titans, you can't go wrong with either WR, TE, OG, DT, or CB in the first 3 RD's. But, Quentin Groves doesn't exactly fit our system and DE is not a need currently. Dre Moore, Fred Davis, or Tony Hills would be better picks.

JETS5128
11-25-2007, 09:27 PM
Don't like any of the jet picks. If we passed on Dre moore in the 2nd i would be pissed, let alone the 3rd. Definetly not looking to draft a QB either, if we were in that position in the first i would probably want Kenny Philips, although a trade down would be my first choice

grushcow
11-25-2007, 09:28 PM
1. I agree with godfrey being the better corner and im a big fan, but right now hes a little under the radar. in a couple weeks when i do my next mock he may move into the 2nd round. hes got amazing size and speed at corner.

2. I realized that i gave groves to the titans about midway through the 3rd round and realized he wasnt the right guy in tennesse. but i didnt want to make such a giant change and have to do half my draft over. itll be different in my next mock.

grushcow
11-25-2007, 09:28 PM
for the jets who would you prefer in that spot in the first without a trade?

AS11toFG21
11-25-2007, 09:29 PM
For the Niners, I would rather have Moore than Okam in the first and I really don't see a need for them to take another WR in the 3rd round. I'd rather have a FS, OL, DL or 3-4 OLB who can pass rush in that spot.

JETS5128
11-25-2007, 09:30 PM
for the jets who would you prefer in that spot in the first without a trade?

Don't like any of the jet picks. If we passed on Dre moore in the 2nd i would be pissed, let alone the 3rd. Definetly not looking to draft a QB either, if we were in that position in the first i would probably want Kenny Philips, although a trade down would be my first choice

See above.

gsorace
11-25-2007, 09:31 PM
for the jets who would you prefer in that spot in the first without a trade?

Kenny Phillips, not the biggest need but Ellis doesn't fit out defense at all, and there is value there with Phillips.

grushcow
11-25-2007, 09:34 PM
thats my bad for some reason i thought the jets ran a 4-3.

wiscbadgerfootball
11-25-2007, 09:37 PM
Thumbs Down to Slaton

Scotty D
11-25-2007, 09:39 PM
Yup thats a realistic Millen draft. Nice!

I didn't know if you caught the sarcasm, but this is just a horrible draft for the Lions. Brennen is not a good pick. We took Stanton in the second last year. I've never heard of the guy out of Troy but it looks like a reach. I'd rather have Sam Baker in the first. Bowman, Wheeler, Terrell Thomas in the second. Jonathon Goff in the third.

bored of education
11-25-2007, 09:39 PM
Good round one but give KC CB King or OG Young in the 2nd then in the 3rd CB if OG 2nd round (Terrel Thomas, Tracy Porter) or OL 3rd if CB in second (Kirk Barton, Shenuninginging)

grushcow
11-25-2007, 09:55 PM
since i can't hear you i can't pick up sarcasm, which you may be unaware of. sure brennan is a long shot but he is a good fit for the mike martz offense. read up on mckelvin as he is a devin hester type with unbelievable speed. i also don't see the lions going through day 1 without adressing their running game, forte is a major sleeper that could really develop into a quality starter. (think frank gore)

bored of education
11-25-2007, 09:57 PM
Chiefs need to address the O Line and CB. 2 oline men PLEASE in the 1st 3 rounds

Scotty D
11-25-2007, 10:00 PM
since i can't hear you i can't pick up sarcasm, which you may be unaware of. sure brennan is a long shot but he is a good fit for the mike martz offense. read up on mckelvin as he is a devin hester type with unbelievable speed. i also don't see the lions going through day 1 without adressing their running game, forte is a major sleeper that could really develop into a quality starter. (think frank gore)

Martz hand picked his QB last year. Drew Stanton. Martz won't even be with the Lions next year most likely. Millen has never taken a small school sleeper type and won't start next year. The reason the Lions running game has been inconsistent is because of the play calling and the offensive line. Kevin Jones is a very good RB.

bearsfan_51
11-25-2007, 10:05 PM
Bad mock. You didn't know the Jets ran a 3-4? Come on dude...

princefielder28
11-25-2007, 10:10 PM
WR for GB?????

Vikes99ej
11-25-2007, 10:12 PM
Good first two picks for the Vikes, bad third round pick. Give us Kirk Barton.

BuckNaked
11-25-2007, 10:15 PM
Don't like the Vikings mock.

Travis 24
11-25-2007, 10:26 PM
That draft is terrible for the Eagles..

Bowman is gonna be a flop in the NFL..and they need recievers who can separate quickly...The 2nd rounder is OK, but completely ignored the secondary...Then they go ILB, which is probably the LAST position of all linebacker positions they try to address.

nemesis3394
11-25-2007, 10:35 PM
vikes mock is ok give us an olineman in the third though

grushcow
11-25-2007, 10:46 PM
WR for GB?????
why not. driver is getting old, franks is past him prime at TE, that leaves jennings and jones which could use some help.

grushcow
11-25-2007, 10:49 PM
That draft is terrible for the Eagles..

Bowman is gonna be a flop in the NFL..and they need recievers who can separate quickly...The 2nd rounder is OK, but completely ignored the secondary...Then they go ILB, which is probably the LAST position of all linebacker positions they try to address.

bowman has very quality speed and i think will be a good fit for the eagles passing attack. i understand the issue about the third rounder but i don't know what other position they needed help in. whod you rather in the first and third?

GB12
11-25-2007, 11:23 PM
Worst Packers mock I've seen.

1. RB has become less of a need, and I don't like Slaton. Talib would be a much better pick.

2. Horrible pick WR is the last thing we need.

3. Even if we needed a FB we wouldn't take one in the third round. We don't need one though because Korey Hall has done a great job.

grushcow
11-25-2007, 11:31 PM
whod you like to see them draft them??

Gridiron
11-25-2007, 11:33 PM
1. Phillips
2. Tribble
3. Moore

would be much, much, much better.

LionSmack
11-25-2007, 11:35 PM
I think you just stuck the Lions with all your "Look at these sleepers I have in my mock because I'm so clever" picks.

grushcow
11-25-2007, 11:40 PM
no. last i checked brennan isnt a sleeper he is possibly the most controversial player in this draft. mckelvin is a playmaker on special teams which detroit lacks and forte is a player im a big fan of. besides im a dolphins fan i would hardly go through the work of "sticking" my sleepers to an nfc north team...

Scotty D
11-25-2007, 11:44 PM
no. last i checked brennan isnt a sleeper he is possibly the most controversial player in this draft. mckelvin is a playmaker on special teams which detroit lacks and forte is a player im a big fan of. besides im a dolphins fan i would hardly go through the work of "sticking" my sleepers to an nfc north team...

You should really stop trying to defend the Lions draft.

cordscords
11-25-2007, 11:44 PM
Worst Packers mock I've seen.

1. RB has become less of a need, and I don't like Slaton. Talib would be a much better pick.

2. Horrible pick WR is the last thing we need.

3. Even if we needed a FB we wouldn't take one in the third round. We don't need one though because Korey Hall has done a great job.

Agreed.

IMO it should have gone:

1. Aqib Talib
2. Fred Davis
3. Xavier Adibi

BucSappy
11-25-2007, 11:49 PM
As a Bucs fan I would really prefer us going with Malcolm Kelly or James Hardy in round 1.

Runningback isn't a big need. Caddy should be back by mid season for us next year. Earnest Graham is playing great. We have solid depth with Pittman and Bennett. I think we might draft a runningback, but more likely someone like Mike Hart in round 3 than a Felix Jones in round 1 when we need to address WR (easily our biggest need).

Tracy Porter is a great pick for us in the third.

grushcow
11-26-2007, 12:43 AM
this is why i posted it. to get some feedback, to all the packers fans your running game isn't actually good, you need a RB and although im not a huge slaton fan he is the best option available. and to the lions fans i could careless about defending your draft because i drafted based on your biggest needs. brennan would be unlikely i admit but the next 2 are logical picks

BucSappy
11-26-2007, 12:46 AM
this is why i posted it. to get some feedback, to all the packers fans your running game isn't actually good, you need a RB and although im not a huge slaton fan he is the best option available. and to the lions fans i could careless about defending your draft because i drafted based on your biggest needs. brennan would be unlikely i admit but the next 2 are logical picks

Have you watched Ryan Grant play this year? I'm not saying he is the long term solution, but if he keeps playing consistent then they are set at RB.

cordscords
11-26-2007, 12:50 AM
Have you watched Ryan Grant play this year? I'm not saying he is the long term solution, but if he keeps playing consistent then they are set at RB.

Agreed. Grant actually looks like a real RB. Wynn was productive before he was injured, but he didnt look like anything special. Grant can cut, break tackles, run inside or out, pick up blocks, go out for a pass, etc.

Not to mention Brandon Jackson who will get another year to show he wasnt a waste of a 2nd round pick.

I doubt TT goes with a RB, and most Packer fans dont want a RB either.

grushcow
11-26-2007, 12:57 AM
my issue is when brett retires (within hopefully 5 years) they need a running back who can take some of the load off of rodgers, im not sold on grant yet but i agree he is a short term solution but when brett retires that offense is going to look stale. my prediction is if brett wins a SB this year he will retire on top

BucSappy
11-26-2007, 12:58 AM
Agreed. Grant actually looks like a real RB. Wynn was productive before he was injured, but he didnt look like anything special. Grant can cut, break tackles, run inside or out, pick up blocks, go out for a pass, etc.

Not to mention Brandon Jackson who will get another year to show he wasnt a waste of a 2nd round pick.

I doubt TT goes with a RB, and most Packer fans dont want a RB either.

Yeah, if Brandon Jackson can become something special he provides great depth and could be potentially expendable in a trade. Wynn is a pretty good goal line/power back.

But I really like what I have seen out of Grant like you said. All around good running back, underrated athleticism. He runs really hard.

fenikz
11-26-2007, 01:05 AM
love the cardinals picks

Jakey
11-26-2007, 05:25 AM
Good Steelers picks...i'd be happy with all three of those! =D

TitleTown088
11-26-2007, 07:18 AM
If the Packers take a WR and FB on day one i will stab myself in the face.

Jakey
11-26-2007, 08:16 AM
If the Packers take a WR and FB on day one i will stab myself in the face.

hahaha that cracked me up

YoJoeBucsFan
11-26-2007, 08:20 AM
The 3rd pick for the Bucs should be Lowry out of San Jose State.

Bills2083
11-26-2007, 08:38 AM
I'd much rather take Malcolm Kelly in the first. We need a big, physical receiver, and Kelly is the perfect choice. We already have enough small, fast WRs (Evans, Parrish, Price, Reed). We need a big, possession type guy. I like the 2nd rounder. It fills a pretty good size need, and he can step in, and become a starter. I really like the pick of Fred Davis, because he'd become a receiving threat for us. With the second 3rd rounder, I'd rather go with Goff or Brinkley, because we really need to help out our LB corps (I can't stand Ellison), and we'd have a good young LB corp with Crowell-Posluszny-Goff/Brinkley.

1. Malcolm Kelly
2. Justin King
3a. Fred Davis
3b. Jonathan Goff/Jasper Brinkley

Finsfan79
11-26-2007, 09:25 AM
1 Miami – Chris Long, DE, Virginia

Glenn Dorsey please, Taylor has said he doesn’t want to retire already a few times. Also Miami is going back to the 4-3. Not to even mention him and taylor play different positions in the 3-4 defense.

32 Miami – Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas*

Nice player

49 Miami (from San Diego) – Eric Young, G/T, Tennessee

I like young nice pick up for line depth

64 Miami – Harry Douglas, WR, Louisville

Not a huge fan of this pick dre moore makes a lot more sense



like said dislike highly the firstpick

grushcow
11-26-2007, 10:10 AM
if the fish move back to a 4-3 believe me ill be very happy and there will be some major changes. i dont know much about moore and douglas fits the mold of quick dolphins recievers.

etk
11-26-2007, 10:35 AM
As a Bucs fan I would really prefer us going with Malcolm Kelly or James Hardy in round 1.

Runningback isn't a big need. Caddy should be back by mid season for us next year. Earnest Graham is playing great. We have solid depth with Pittman and Bennett. I think we might draft a runningback, but more likely someone like Mike Hart in round 3 than a Felix Jones in round 1 when we need to address WR (easily our biggest need).

Tracy Porter is a great pick for us in the third.

The last thing we need is another big/tall receiver. Running back is a big need. All 3 of our backs have been banged up this year to different degrees. Caddy won't be playing at full strength until the '09 season, and Pittman should be a cap casualty next spring. We probably don't need to spend a first on the position but Felix Jones would easily become our best back.

Travis 24
11-26-2007, 11:28 AM
bowman has very quality speed and i think will be a good fit for the eagles passing attack. i understand the issue about the third rounder but i don't know what other position they needed help in. whod you rather in the first and third?

Well, from when I've watched Bowman...he plays like he runs a 4.8 on the field. Eagles run the west coast offense, which usually relies on the recievers to get open quickly...so I'd certainly look for a more explosive WR...DeSean Jackson, Harry Douglas, Donnie Avery or even Jordy Nelson would be ideal fits.

I'd probably prefer Reggie Smith in round 1..because the Eagles are so thin at corner and safety. Round 2, I would probably address the secondary again...I like Leodis McKelvin a lot out of Troy, and he is there in this one..so he would probably be my 2nd rounder. The third rounder, that pick would probably be Davone Bess..who I REALLY like out of Hawaii. They need another slot guy, and he is one of the best in the country.

Crow
11-26-2007, 01:23 PM
Still struggling with the Pats/D-line picks.

BaLLiN
11-26-2007, 05:54 PM
Giants picks are good, but we wouldn't go OT or DE mainly because we have faith in the players there already (OT= Diehl who's done a great job) (DE Strahan is having a good season, but Tuck has emerged as a great backup and successor when Strahan retires)

1. Reggie Smith = good
2. Tony Hills= we'd take Phillip Wheeler without a doubt
3. Kendall Langford = Charles Godfrey if we would put Smith at S which is a strong possibility

stl9erfan
11-26-2007, 06:36 PM
As far as SF's picks go, I think right now you'd have to think the two ways they could go with their first rounder are WR or OT. Since this year's WR crop seems kind of weak, I would expect the Niners to try and grab a bookend to pair with Joe Staley in the first round, unless something miraculous happens, like Desean Jackson slipping to where SF could conceivably package some picks to trade up. Right now, based on who is available in your mock, I think Otah would be the pick in the first.

If they didn't go that way, I think a darkhorse would be pass rush help from a DE/OLB tweener type that seems to fit so well into the 3-4 defense. While I like Okam as a player, it hasn't been Nolan's M.O. to draft DL early-- he tends to pick up those guys in the middle rounds, and so far that's worked pretty well for the team, I'd say.

grushcow
11-26-2007, 06:56 PM
As far as SF's picks go, I think right now you'd have to think the two ways they could go with their first rounder are WR or OT. Since this year's WR crop seems kind of weak, I would expect the Niners to try and grab a bookend to pair with Joe Staley in the first round, unless something miraculous happens, like Desean Jackson slipping to where SF could conceivably package some picks to trade up. Right now, based on who is available in your mock, I think Otah would be the pick in the first.

If they didn't go that way, I think a darkhorse would be pass rush help from a DE/OLB tweener type that seems to fit so well into the 3-4 defense. While I like Okam as a player, it hasn't been Nolan's M.O. to draft DL early-- he tends to pick up those guys in the middle rounds, and so far that's worked pretty well for the team, I'd say.

personally i don't see them taking an OT in the first round back to back years. outside rusher or a NT would make more sense as lawson (or the other outside rusher....) has been very ineffective. also one of their NTs is gone at the end of the season.

Yung Flippa
11-26-2007, 07:55 PM
Good Ravens 2nd Round pick, but i'd rather have Andre Woodson in round 1, but I wouldn't mind getting Matt Ryan.

stl9erfan
11-26-2007, 08:30 PM
personally i don't see them taking an OT in the first round back to back years. outside rusher or a NT would make more sense as lawson (or the other outside rusher....) has been very ineffective. also one of their NTs is gone at the end of the season.

Lawson actually looked VERY good this year, but suffered a season ending knee injury in the second game of the season. But you're right, they could definitely use some help in this area. I just don't think it's as pressing as the gaping hole at RT that's likely to open up after this year when Jennings will probably get cut and Staley shifts over to the left side of the line. And Nolan hasn't been shy about going after OL early and often in his first three drafts with the team.

All things being equal, then, I would rank SF's main needs this offseason if things go roughly as anticipated as 1) WR 2) OT 3) Pass rush. I just doubt there will be a WR available worth the pick, so I'd say OT is the top choice.

skiinginNJ
11-26-2007, 11:46 PM
Giants picks are good, but we wouldn't go OT or DE mainly because we have faith in the players there already (OT= Diehl who's done a great job) (DE Strahan is having a good season, but Tuck has emerged as a great backup and successor when Strahan retires)

1. Reggie Smith = good
2. Tony Hills= we'd take Phillip Wheeler without a doubt
3. Kendall Langford = Charles Godfrey if we would put Smith at S which is a strong possibility


eh id like to see an OT, we need some o-line, like bad


do agree about DE in 3 though, unless its a big steal or something



pretty good draft though

grushcow
11-26-2007, 11:47 PM
Lawson actually looked VERY good this year, but suffered a season ending knee injury in the second game of the season. But you're right, they could definitely use some help in this area. I just don't think it's as pressing as the gaping hole at RT that's likely to open up after this year when Jennings will probably get cut and Staley shifts over to the left side of the line. And Nolan hasn't been shy about going after OL early and often in his first three drafts with the team.

All things being equal, then, I would rank SF's main needs this offseason if things go roughly as anticipated as 1) WR 2) OT 3) Pass rush. I just doubt there will be a WR available worth the pick, so I'd say OT is the top choice.
hmmm....so im under the impression jonas jennings isn't performing well this season. i dont get to see the 49ers play that much (not that im complaining) but honestly a quality NT is hard to come by and with the 3-4 becoming ever more popular okam should shoot up draft boards. but they could go WR, OT, Rush end or NT.

TitanAddict
11-27-2007, 12:11 AM
Nice Titans mock. We need an upgrade at WR (Kelly), a pass rushing DE (Groves), and maybe another corner (Jackson). Personally, I'd prefer a TE, versatile RB, DT, or LB with our third pick, though.

Crazy_Chris
11-27-2007, 12:46 AM
Don't like the Vikings Draft especially not the 1st round pick. Andre Woodson isn't a good fit for the West Coast his delievery is too slow. Here is the ideal Viking draft for the situation you provide in your mock.

1(11). Malcom Jenkins CB Ohio State-IMO We already have 2(possibly three) young talented corners on the roster. However, Winfeild is Getting older and 2 of the teams in our divsion have very good passing atttack that likes to spread the feild so having excellent depth at corner is becoming more and more important. I think the biggest thing here is last season the Vikings Front office showed that they will take the BPA when they selected Adrian Peterson. I think Malcolm Jenkins would be the BPA in this situation at 11.

2(42). Early Doucet WR LSU- Sidney Rice looks to be a stud however we are still extremely lacking of talent at WR. Early Doucet would be a value pick here a decent compliment to Rice.

3(74). John Carlson TE Notre Dame- I was surprised Carlson wasn't picked anywhere in the first 3 rounds of your mock if he was still available here he would Provide Tarvaris Jackson with another weapon and be a very good value pick for the vikings.

3(80). Barry Richardson OT Clemson- RT is a mess for the Vikings while Ryan Cook is very good in run blocking he his equally as bad in Pass Blocking. He is still young and may develop but we need some insurance and either way we need more Depth at OT. So Barry Richardson if available here would be the perfect pick.

grushcow
11-27-2007, 12:59 AM
Don't like the Vikings Draft especially not the 1st round pick. Andre Woodson isn't a good fit for the West Coast his delievery is too slow. Here is the ideal Viking draft for the situation you provide in your mock.

1(11). Malcom Jenkins CB Ohio State-IMO We already have 2(possibly three) young talented corners on the roster. However, Winfeild is Getting older and 2 of the teams in our divsion have very good passing atttack that likes to spread the feild so having excellent depth at corner is becoming more and more important. I think the biggest thing here is last season the Vikings Front office showed that they will take the BPA when they selected Adrian Peterson. I think Malcolm Jenkins would be the BPA in this situation at 11.

2(42). Early Doucet WR LSU- Sidney Rice looks to be a stud however we are still extremely lacking of talent at WR. Early Doucet would be a value pick here a decent compliment to Rice.

3(74). John Carlson TE Notre Dame- I was surprised Carlson wasn't picked anywhere in the first 3 rounds of your mock if he was still available here he would Provide Tarvaris Jackson with another weapon and be a very good value pick for the vikings.

3(80). Barry Richardson OT Clemson- RT is a mess for the Vikings while Ryan Cook is very good in run blocking he his equally as bad in Pass Blocking. He is still young and may develop but we need some insurance and either way we need more Depth at OT. So Barry Richardson if available here would be the perfect pick.

i see where your coming from with the woodson pick as with tavaris it is unlikely childress will give up on him. i don't see them taking a corner in the first though, i like mccauley cedric griffin and winfield. my next mock will likely look like this for the vikes:
1. TBD
2. WR
3a. Barry Richardson, OT
3b. CB/S maybe even a LB

KCJ58
11-27-2007, 01:15 AM
I would love that Rams draft!

Joeyjr09
11-27-2007, 01:37 AM
Miami would be better off taking:

1-Chris Long is fine I think he could bulk up and play DE in the 3-4. Althought Dorsey would get alot more consideration. Not sure Chris Long is worth number 1 overall.
2-Justin King is better IMO then Talib but right position.
2-Quentin Groves is a much better talent then Young and could bring pass rush as an OLB in our 3-4. Has been lacking all year. Eric Young is ok but the need for OL get to be overexaggrated for us. Our line has been good and we are number 2 in the league in yards per carry. A FA RT that can step in right away and move Shelton inside would be more then enough and we have alot of late round OLs alreayd although we will likely draft another. I don't think we go OL day 1 unless a stud LT is there for the taking so that we can move Carey to RT and Shelton inside to OG. We just have way too many other holes to fill.
3-Dre Moore is a potential NT and our run D has been horrible. We need to try in a wide body on the DL immediately.

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-27-2007, 10:42 AM
No Dline for Oakland?Wow were screwed going into next year.

SubNoize
11-27-2007, 10:56 AM
I actually really like that Oakland draft, we get the best player available in the draft and also upgrade the O-Line, would be a great 1st day. Pick up D-Line and WR later in the draft and Oakland would be set.

T-RICH49
11-27-2007, 11:46 AM
good first 2 picks for KC but give us Thomas in the 3rd

badgerbacker
11-27-2007, 04:04 PM
That's a bad Packers draft. You say Driver is old...OK, we still have Jennings, Jones, and Koren Robinson. We then have Ruvell Martin as a decent 4th option. With that being said, the Sweed pick was your best one in my opinion. He obviously has talent and I wouldn't complain too much if they took a chance on grabbing another playmaker.

As to the other two picks, I personally hate giving us Slaton or any RB for that matter, in the first round. Ted Thompson wouldn't take a RB in the first round even if we needed one very badly. (Which we don't, because Grant is playing very, very well.) If we do take a RB in the draft, it will be later on. In other news, I just really don't like Slaton as a prospect and don't think he'll do well in the NFL, so I dislike it even more than if it had been some other RB.

Lastly, I think the 3rd round pick is a joke. First of all, I think taking a FB that early is reaching, unless he was an amazing fullback prospect. While Hillis is a good FB, I don't think anyone should take him in the 3rd round. Also, the Packers drafted Korey Hall just last year to convert from LB to FB. In just his first year at the position, he is starting and playing VERY WELL, and it would be a wasted pick to take another FB.

To help you out, the Packers have very little depth at the cornerback postion and desperately need some young prospects to take over after Harris and Woodson slow down.

DeathbyStat
11-27-2007, 05:22 PM
im down with the steelers picks

grushcow
11-27-2007, 06:13 PM
although i doubt my next mock will include the packers taking a first round back grant still reminds me of a back named samkon gado. he came in and performed well and now he is bouncing around the league.

dbtb135
11-28-2007, 06:52 AM
23 Tampa Bay – Felix Jones, RB, Arkansas*
26 Pittsburgh – Sam Baker, OT, USC

54 Tampa Bay – Earl Doucet, WR, LSU

86 Tampa Bay – Tracy Porter, CB, Indiana
87 Tennessee – Chevis Jackson, CB, LSU
92 Indianapolis – Charles Godfrey, CB, Iowa

I like the first pick, though we should take a good, long look at Baker. Like Doucet in the 2nd. Don't like Porter in the 3rd. I think we go one of the other two routes.

BucSappy
11-28-2007, 06:55 AM
I like the first pick, though we should take a good, long look at Baker. Like Doucet in the 2nd. Don't like Porter in the 3rd. I think we go one of the other two routes.

And that would be ignoring the defense completely?

dbtb135
11-28-2007, 07:04 AM
And that would be ignoring the defense completely?

What are our needs on defense? LDE, CB, and UT are the stand outs. Who is there in round 1 who would be on par with Jones or Baker? No one. Same goes for round 2. The only guy you could make an argument for is Dre Moore, who may or may not grade out as well athletically as people claim. If he does, then he'd go noticeably higher than our late pick in round 2. We can get a CB later, as mentioned, and last I checked that is a position on defense.

UT, just like QB; if there's a good one worth it in round 1, you take him. There isn't though. CB class is deep, we have no need to take one in round 1 and could go until round 3 to get one. LDE is the same way, the Greg Spires/Marcus Jones type we tend to go after there aren't worth first round picks.

etk
11-28-2007, 12:06 PM
What are our needs on defense? LDE, CB, and UT are the stand outs. Who is there in round 1 who would be on par with Jones or Baker? No one. Same goes for round 2. The only guy you could make an argument for is Dre Moore, who may or may not grade out as well athletically as people claim. If he does, then he'd go noticeably higher than our late pick in round 2. We can get a CB later, as mentioned, and last I checked that is a position on defense.

UT, just like QB; if there's a good one worth it in round 1, you take him. There isn't though. CB class is deep, we have no need to take one in round 1 and could go until round 3 to get one. LDE is the same way, the Greg Spires/Marcus Jones type we tend to go after there aren't worth first round picks.

I agree with what you said here. The only problem I have is with your assessment that UT is a need. I think Jovan Haye is a good option and not worth upgrading. Hovan is older and less productive, so NT would be the way to go. I like the depth at CB so I wouldn't want us to draft one in the 1st. Your LDE argument hit it right on the nose too. The guys we look for at the position typically aren't high rated players. That leaves us with the option to take the BPA, probably a WR or LT.

asmitty45
11-28-2007, 12:10 PM
This is a pretty bad Lions mock.

Brennan - we drafted stanton last year, theres no way they go for another high QB.

McKelvin - I'd take it but I think OT and ILB are higher priorities

Forte - We dont need another RB, we dont use the ones we have.

Should be:
Baker
Leman
Lowery

dbtb135
11-28-2007, 08:43 PM
I agree with what you said here. The only problem I have is with your assessment that UT is a need. I think Jovan Haye is a good option and not worth upgrading. Hovan is older and less productive, so NT would be the way to go. I like the depth at CB so I wouldn't want us to draft one in the 1st. Your LDE argument hit it right on the nose too. The guys we look for at the position typically aren't high rated players. That leaves us with the option to take the BPA, probably a WR or LT.

I agree that NT is in a bit worse shape than NT, but UT is far more important. I wouldn't want us to spend a 1st day pick on a NT when that is not a Cover 2 team's MO. Guys like Dusty Dvoracek that Lovie got, I want those types. Maybe at the end of round 3, but it's not like we should be looking for one in round 1 or 2. Where as, if we have a chance to get a real good inside pass rusher, I don't think we pass on it for Haye as well as he's played. It's like when we had Anthony Davis at LT (who did play well for a decent stretch) and John Wade at center (who to this day sucks). If we have a chance to upgrade the more important position that happens to have a player who is performing better, I think you do it.

BmoreBlackByrdz
11-28-2007, 08:47 PM
Ravens would IMO take Woodson over Ryan as of now. Not really liking the 2nd round pick though

etk
11-28-2007, 10:38 PM
I agree that NT is in a bit worse shape than NT, but UT is far more important. I wouldn't want us to spend a 1st day pick on a NT when that is not a Cover 2 team's MO. Guys like Dusty Dvoracek that Lovie got, I want those types. Maybe at the end of round 3, but it's not like we should be looking for one in round 1 or 2. Where as, if we have a chance to get a real good inside pass rusher, I don't think we pass on it for Haye as well as he's played. It's like when we had Anthony Davis at LT (who did play well for a decent stretch) and John Wade at center (who to this day sucks). If we have a chance to upgrade the more important position that happens to have a player who is performing better, I think you do it.

I agree that Wade needs upgrading, but we don't need to spend an early pick on UT when we have Haye and Peterson. We could add to that rotation, if someone has a Marcus Thomas type tumble for one reason or another, but we don't need a full-fledged replacement. The only UT prospect in the draft who I would like to see us draft (right now) is Andre Fluellen, but not earlier than the 3rd.

RaiderNation
11-29-2007, 01:30 PM
A+ raider picks