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BucSappy
11-25-2007, 10:25 PM
Post your mock(s) for the 2008 NFL Draft

Here are few of my favorites that I have put together

1. James Hardy WR Indiana
2. Antoine Cason CB Arizona
3. Mike Hart RB Michigan
4. Andre Caldwell WR Florida
5. Fernando Velasco OL Georgia

Okay now some analysis on this mock. Obviously WR is a big need for us, Galloway and Hilliard won't last forever. Hardy is a big play WR and a great red zone mismatch.

Cason can learn behind P-Buc, Barber, and Kelly. Then he is a shutdown corner once he has been in the system for a while.

Mike Hart plays with a lot of heart and is a smart runner. Doesn't have blazing speed, but I think he will make the most out of what the OL gives him.

I don't see Clayton staying on this football team once we draft Hardy. Caldwell is a vertical WR threat with his 4.3 speed. Been really productive this year. Can be a very productive #2 or #3 WR for us down the line.

Velasco has the ability to play both guard, center, and right tackle so he has a lot of versatility. Has the size and athleticism to dominate. Would be an upgrade for us in 2009 once he grasps the offense.

BucSappy
11-25-2007, 10:26 PM
As a note, didn't include 6th and 7th round picks because I feel like our team is too talented now for those late round picks to make this team, and I believe we have traded away quite a few of our draft picks. Don't know exactly what those come down to because they are dependent on play productive, assuming we trade away a comp pick if we get one.

Chucky
11-25-2007, 10:32 PM
Trade next years 3rd rounder as well as first rounder to get a first rounder in the mid to late teens

1. Desean Jackson
2.Quinten Groves
3. Colt Brennan/Erik Ainge

BucSappy
11-25-2007, 10:37 PM
Trade next years 3rd rounder as well as first rounder to get a first rounder in the mid to late teens

1. Desean Jackson
2.Quinten Groves
3. Colt Brennan/Erik Ainge

Personally I don't think it would be worth it to deal next year's 3rd rounder. We have accumulated a lot of talent on our team by standing pat in the draft, being patient and let the talent develop. Trading up for Kenyatta Walker really hurt the talent on this team (in more ways than one), and trading the draft picks for Jon Gruden while was worth it in my opinion hurt this team because we lost out on acquiring 4 really talented young players.

I don't think Quentin Groves has a role on this defense. We are set at OLB, and at RDE. Don't think he is big enough to play LDE.

Good mock, I'm not as high on DeSean Jackson as some but I'm not going to argue the talent that is there. If we could get Ainge in the 3rd I'd be thrilled.

BucSappy
11-26-2007, 12:37 AM
Another mock because I am bored

1. Alex Boone T Ohio State
2. Early Doucet WR LSU
3. Tracy Porter CB Indiana
4. Lawrence Jackson DE USC
5. Lavelle Hawkins WR Cal

Analysis: Petitgout has had back to back years end on a season ending injury. Penn is very good as a backup but he doesn't have the upside than an Alex Boone would have for us.

Early Doucet is good value in the 2nd round and gives us more speed at the WR position. Will definately benefit early on in his career being the 3rd WR (attention on Galloway and Hilliard).

We must address the CB position, we need youth and athleticism here to be able to match up better man-man. Porter is a good zone corner.

LJ will give us great depth at both DE positions. I am just not impressed with Patrick Chukwurah.

Hawkins is a very speedy WR. Could make for an excellent slot guy in Gruden's system.

Chucky
11-26-2007, 06:23 AM
Another mock because I am bored

1. Alex Boone T Ohio State
2. Early Doucet WR LSU
3. Tracy Porter CB Indiana
4. Lawrence Jackson DE USC
5. Lavelle Hawkins WR Cal

Analysis: Petitgout has had back to back years end on a season ending injury. Penn is very good as a backup but he doesn't have the upside than an Alex Boone would have for us.

Early Doucet is good value in the 2nd round and gives us more speed at the WR position. Will definately benefit early on in his career being the 3rd WR (attention on Galloway and Hilliard).

We must address the CB position, we need youth and athleticism here to be able to match up better man-man. Porter is a good zone corner.

LJ will give us great depth at both DE positions. I am just not impressed with Patrick Chukwurah.

Hawkins is a very speedy WR. Could make for an excellent slot guy in Gruden's system.

Lawrence Jackson is a second rounder, he will not fall to the fourth

BucSappy
11-26-2007, 06:25 AM
Lawrence Jackson is a second rounder, he will not fall to the fourth

Lots of players fall for different reasons. Tanard Jackson was a second rounder dubbed by a lot of scouts but he fell to us in the 4th.

etk
11-26-2007, 11:04 AM
1. DeSean Jackson, WR.
2. Brandon Flowers, CB.
3. Lawrence Jackson, DE.
4. Jacob Hester or Cory Boyd.
5. Keilen Dykes, DT.

Caddy
11-26-2007, 05:57 PM
Desean Jackson..


That is all..

etk
11-26-2007, 06:29 PM
Desean Jackson..


That is all..

He's so valuable because of his special teams impact. If we draft a receiver early they won't be more than the #3/4 guy, but Jackson will have an immediate impact anyway just by returning punts.

StaticGator
11-29-2007, 03:40 PM
DeSean Jackson reminds me of Jacquez Green.

Tampa 2 4 life
11-29-2007, 03:40 PM
1. Jonathon Stewart
2. Michael Oher
3. Trae Williams(!)
4. Jacob Hester
5. Joe Flacco

dbtb135
11-29-2007, 11:45 PM
Lots of players fall for different reasons. Tanard Jackson was a second rounder dubbed by a lot of scouts but he fell to us in the 4th.

Character questions. That or laziness/out of shape questions will make you sink like a stone. Jackson seems to have neither, so it's less likely that he falls that much.

Also, from the first mock, Mike Hart brings a lot of what Caddy brings, only he's a better receiver and not nearly as fast or explosive. I think we either find a real back (1st/2nd round to start eventually) or a type of spell back that Gruden likes to replace Pitt soon, great receiver, blocker, team player. I don't think Hart fits either of those.

Also, what would we want with Jacob Hester? His best attribute is his rushing ability, and you saw the way Gruden used Alstott since the time he got here. Gruden likes lead blockers (like Razzano) or well rounded blockers who can catch (like Askew). Hester is neither. If we're looking at any of those FBs, it's Schmitt, Hillis, Cox, etc. As a RB, we don't really have a need for Hester. People just have too much love for this kid.

I do however like your alternative Etk, Boyd really looks like a Gruden type of player and I think he's somewhat underrated.

etk
11-29-2007, 11:53 PM
I do however like your alternative Etk, Boyd really looks like a Gruden type of player and I think he's somewhat underrated.

I listed the alternative because of the different paths we can elect to choose in our backfield. Hester brings more versatility in different formations, but doesn't really have one place to fit in and have a clear role. Boyd is simply a replacement for Pittman and another option for added insurance. I see him as a richer man's Darby. If we need a true RB, we should go with Boyd or another similar back. If we want another weapon and luxury for our offense, it's Hester.

dbtb135
11-30-2007, 12:10 AM
I really don't see the luxury in Hester though.

I do agree that Boyd could very well eventually replace Pitt. He's a very good receiver for a guy his size, he's pretty nimble (something Pitt isn't), and he's a solid blocker. I love Boyd's 405 receiving yards to Hester's 101.

Caddy
11-30-2007, 08:30 PM
DeSean Jackson reminds me of Jacquez Green.

I don't like that comparison at all.

StaticGator
12-03-2007, 10:09 AM
I don't like that comparison at all.

Now Green wasn't as bad as some remember. After 4 seasons he is going to have more yards than Michael Clayton will. But do you think at 166 lbs (listed) Jackson will be able to fight through NFL DB's? He doesn't nearly have the frame other small guys like Steve Smith and Lee Evans do.

etk
12-03-2007, 11:35 AM
Now Green wasn't as bad as some remember. After 4 seasons he is going to have more yards than Michael Clayton will. But do you think at 166 lbs (listed) Jackson will be able to fight through NFL DB's? He doesn't nearly have the frame other small guys like Steve Smith and Lee Evans do.

I doubt he will be under 180 at the combine. He would be committing draft suicide otherwise. It's still a big issue as you point out, and he's not that short either.

ahh nah
12-05-2007, 11:31 AM
If I have my choice of WR's I want Malcom Kelly. Im in love with him as a prospect (n/h)

etk
12-05-2007, 12:21 PM
If I have my choice of WR's I want Malcom Kelly. Im in love with him as a prospect (n/h)

He's my favorite WR too, but not for our offense. Him, Stovall & Clayton are all similar receivers and it would create a logjam at the position to have them all competing with eachother. We could always switch to a Cleveland-style passing attack but I don't see that happening. If we're going to draft a receiver, it's got to be one that can catch a slant and accelerate for 6 and run Joey's patterns. There aren't really any true wideouts in this draft with that ability so we'll have to convert a slot.

Harry Douglas, Donnie Avery, Andre Caldwell, Darius Reynaud, Darnell Jenkins :D, etc.

dbtb135
12-05-2007, 05:59 PM
He's my favorite WR too, but not for our offense. Him, Stovall & Clayton are all similar receivers and it would create a logjam at the position to have them all competing with eachother. We could always switch to a Cleveland-style passing attack but I don't see that happening. If we're going to draft a receiver, it's got to be one that can catch a slant and accelerate for 6 and run Joey's patterns. There aren't really any true wideouts in this draft with that ability so we'll have to convert a slot.

Harry Douglas, Donnie Avery, Andre Caldwell, Darius Reynaud, Darnell Jenkins :D, etc.

If Douglas is there in the 2nd, take him. You can keep the rest, unless it's just for the returns...

etk
12-05-2007, 08:44 PM
Oh yeah I also forgot Davone Bess. He's probably going to declare and he has the best complete game of any of the smallish receivers in this class.

If Douglas is there in the 2nd, take him. You can keep the rest, unless it's just for the returns...

If you mean kick and punt returns, we should draft Eddie Royal. He's my pick for the fastest player in the draft, and he has good enough hands to contribute on offense (no Hester or Figurs).

Tampa 2 4 life
12-05-2007, 08:45 PM
Oh yeah I also forgot Davone Bess. He's probably going to declare and he has the best complete game of any of the smallish receivers in this class.

You also failed to mention D-Jax...

etk
12-05-2007, 08:47 PM
You also failed to mention D-Jax...

That's a given, why bother. I'd rather wait for a WR anyway.

ahh nah
12-06-2007, 08:40 AM
He's my favorite WR too, but not for our offense. Him, Stovall & Clayton are all similar receivers and it would create a logjam at the position to have them all competing with eachother. We could always switch to a Cleveland-style passing attack but I don't see that happening. If we're going to draft a receiver, it's got to be one that can catch a slant and accelerate for 6 and run Joey's patterns. There aren't really any true wideouts in this draft with that ability so we'll have to convert a slot.

Harry Douglas, Donnie Avery, Andre Caldwell, Darius Reynaud, Darnell Jenkins :D, etc.

get that loser of the list

etk
12-06-2007, 11:26 AM
get that loser of the list

LOL, I kid I kid. Jenkins sucks but he can go after those deep balls.