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Jagonsucker
11-27-2007, 12:11 AM
its terrible..all it does is give wide recievers 8 yards every time they want it..sure we can stop the run but whats the point if we let QBs complete 20 passes in a row?

detroitsports
11-27-2007, 12:22 AM
Thats the point! What QB is going to successfully complete that many passes. That was a record by Favre in the thanksgiving game.

IAC made the point that cover 2 relies on pressure, which we didn't get enough of. The cover 2 allows the short passes hoping that they get impatient or some kind of mistake is made. We've been very good at forcing mistakes this year.

detroit4life
11-27-2007, 05:53 PM
were in the second year of the defense and typically it takes 3 years to master by a defense. Also in no way does this team have the talent to effectivly run the defense right now and thats why they dont run the cover two every play they have been blitzing much more to get pressure that they cannot do with just rushing there front 4.

U need to give the defense time before you scrap it

Bootland27
11-27-2007, 07:01 PM
its terrible..all it does is give wide recievers 8 yards every time they want it..sure we can stop the run but whats the point if we let QBs complete 20 passes in a row?

Ernie Sims, Shaun Rogers, Cory Redding, Dewayne White and Fernando Bryant (maybe) would be the only players who would start on other teams. Simply put it this way.....we don't have enough talent on that side of the ball. Gimme a legit DE or a #1 corner before you can judge them.

bearsfan_51
11-27-2007, 07:49 PM
It's the Tampa 2, not the cover 2. Every team in the league runs the cover 2.

Also, if you want to stop playing off the ball so much (which a lot of tampa 2 defenses do), you're going to need cornerbacks that don't suck. Constantly playing man with your secondary would be a disaster.

Bootland27
11-28-2007, 12:16 PM
It's the Tampa 2, not the cover 2. Every team in the league runs the cover 2.

Also, if you want to stop playing off the ball so much (which a lot of tampa 2 defenses do), you're going to need cornerbacks that don't suck. Constantly playing man with your secondary would be a disaster.

what are the differences between a tampa 2 and a cover 2?

bearsfan_51
11-28-2007, 06:35 PM
what are the differences between a tampa 2 and a cover 2?

Tampa 2 is a style of defense, it involves small quicker players playing gap penetration. Rather than having the defensive line serve primarily to clog up blockers for the linebackers (as is the case in a 3-4) each front seven player has an assigned gap that they are expected to fill. Every player is expected to be a solid tackler but dominating physicality (at least through brute strength) is not a prerequisite.

The cover 2, on the other hand, is just a secondary scheme that usually involves the cornerbacks playing deep off their man and the two safeties dropping back into a deep zone and covering roughly half the field each. It is designed to prevent the deep play, but is often susceptible to short-to-intermediate routes, which is what jagon is talking about.

The tampa 2 often runs the cover 2, but not exclusively, nor do non-tampa 2 teams avoid the cover 2, as it is a very typical coverage regardless of scheme. It is often used to cover up deficiencies in secondary talent, as is obviously the case in Detroit.

king2am
11-29-2007, 06:30 PM
Close. But not quite. Cover two is just a basic scheme with the safeties splitting the field over the top. You can run zone or man underneath of these hawks.

Tampa 2 is a wrinkle that obviously, Tampa started. You get a linebacker, sometimes referred to as the 'chaser' who gets his drop about 8 yards off the line in the middle of the field but takes and verticals, like from a runningback or a tight end, and stays with him.

Turning it into a cover three if you stopped the film at the end of the play.

Because cover two, the hole is the middle of the field, but by trailing that route with someone on his hip, the ball has to go over the top, giving the safeties time to close. Which, usually, makes the qb hold the ball longer, allowing the pressure to get there.

king2am
11-29-2007, 06:33 PM
Anyway. Scrapping the defense isn't an option. Gotta stick with it. It's gonna click for good soon.

Iamcanadian
12-01-2007, 12:06 AM
Close. But not quite. Cover two is just a basic scheme with the safeties splitting the field over the top. You can run zone or man underneath of these hawks.

Tampa 2 is a wrinkle that obviously, Tampa started. You get a linebacker, sometimes referred to as the 'chaser' who gets his drop about 8 yards off the line in the middle of the field but takes and verticals, like from a runningback or a tight end, and stays with him.

Turning it into a cover three if you stopped the film at the end of the play.

Because cover two, the hole is the middle of the field, but by trailing that route with someone on his hip, the ball has to go over the top, giving the safeties time to close. Which, usually, makes the qb hold the ball longer, allowing the pressure to get there.

I think it is basically semantics. According to Dungy the basic scheme was designed by Chuck Noll of the Steelers and he just copied it. Most teams perfer to call it a Cover 2 today rather than credit Tampa for it since it was invented long before Tampa used it. The Bears call it a Cover 2 and they drop Urlacher deep into coverage in the center so their really isn't any difference.
Your right, the safties split the field in half and play fairly deep. The CB's and LB's usually play in a zone, and the DL is responsible to pressuring the QB by attacking the gaps. Of course, you are going to see many versions of the Cover 2 to confuse DC's but that is the basic defense. Yes, sometimes they'll blitz and play man to man but that is just offshoots used to confuse DC's not the basic defense. When the MLB drops deep it is in essence a Cover 3 in today's terminology.
Anybody who has played the game 'Head Coach' realizes just how many variations you can play with this defense as with all others, but in its basic form, the Cover 2 is the name of the defense everywhere but in Tampa. Even Dungy calls it a Cover 2 now that he has left Tampa.

Prowler
12-01-2007, 01:21 PM
i lived in indiana up until 4 years ago so i still follow the colts, trust me, dungy can field a team of undrafted free agents add bob sanders and dwight freeney and make it a top 5 defense. this is still a defense worth pursuing, its the inconsistancy of the offense that is plaguing the defense, we're not playing with enough leads early in the game. also we're getting too many field goals and not enough finished drives.

with white, rogers, and redding the defense is only 2 years away from being something really special for about 3 years and then will just have to replace guys to maintain the defense through the draft. this team is close, just stick with marinelli and it'll be fine. first we believe then we win, the offense kind of believes, the defense has flashes, but for the first time in years the lions have something to believe in next year. (this being said, the lions are still playoff caliber this year but not good enough to be too content with)