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BucSappy
11-28-2007, 04:58 AM
Okay. First 2009 NFL Mock Draft on NFLDC (I think), thought it might be more fun to look at since for the most part a lot of 2009 mocks look alike. The 2008 Draft Order is exactly how it would look if the draft was today. The picks are adjusted in the 2nd round according to the rules. Don't complain about where your team is picking in my 2009 mock order. It doesn't matter. I did this just for fun. It's pretty much impossible to get it right, but it must be done (and doing the same order as 08 is boring).

2008 NFL Draft - Round 1

1. MIA: Jake Long T Michigan
2. STL: Glenn Dorsey DT LSU
3. NYJ: Chris Long DE Virginia
4. NE (f/SF): Darren McFadden RB Arkansas
5. ATL: Matt Ryan QB Boston College
6. OAK: Sedrick Ellis DT USC
7. CIN: James Laurinaitis ILB Ohio State
8. KC: Ryan Clady T Boise State
9. BAL: Andre' Woodson QB Kentucky
10. CAR: Kenny Phillips S Miami FL
11. ARZ: Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio State
12. NO: Reggie Smith CB Oklahoma
13. BUF: Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma
14. HOU: Jonathan Stewart RB Oregon
15. DET: Rey Maualuga ILB USC
16. MIN: Brian Brohm QB Louisville
17. CHI: Felix Jones RB Arkansas
18. WAS: Calais Campbell DE Miami FL
19. PHI: DeSean Jackson WR Cal
20. TEN: Adarius Bowman WR Oklahoma State
21. SD: Dan Connor ILB Penn State
22. DEN: Sam Baker T USC
23. SEA: James Hardy WR Indiana
24. DAL (f/CLE): Aqib Talib CB Kansas
25. TB: Erik Ainge QB Tennessee
26. NYG: Rashard Mendenhall RB Illinois
27. PIT: Mike Jenkins CB South Florida
28. JAX: Early Doucet WR LSU
29. SF (f/IND): Derrick Harvey DE/OLB Florida
30. GB: Gosder Cherilus T Boston College
31. DAL: Duke Robinson G Oklahoma

2008 NFL Draft - Round 2

32. MIA: Quentin Groves DE/OLB Auburn
33. NYJ: Phillip Loadholt T Oklahoma
34. STL: Keith Rivers OLB USC
35. ATL: Jeff Otah T Pittsburgh
36. OAK: Limas Sweed WR Texas
37. SF: Mario Manningham WR Michigan
38. BAL: Antoine Cason CB Arizona
39. KC: DJ Hall WR Alabama
40. CAR: John David Booty QB USC
41. CIN: Ali Highsmith OLB LSU
42. NO: Dre Moore DT Maryland
43. BUF: Tracy Porter CB Indiana
44. ATL (f/HOU): Frank Okam DT Texas
45. MIN: Earl Bennett WR Vanderbilt
46. DET: Chris Williams T Vanderbilt
47. CHI: Barry Richardson T Clemson
48. PHI: Xavier Adibi OLB Virginia Tech
49. WAS: Josh Barrett S Arizona State
50. ARZ: Jonathan Goff ILB Vanderbilt
51. MIA (f/SD): Terrell Thomas CB USC
52. DEN: Phillip Wheeler LB Georgia Tech
53. TEN: Harry Douglas WR Louisville
54. CLE: Mike Hart RB Michigan
55. TB: Leodis McKelvin CB Troy
56. NYG: Tony Hills T Texas
57. SEA: Fred Davis TE USC
58. JAX: Craig Steltz SS LSU
59. PIT: Eric Young G Tennessee
60. IND: DeMario Pressely DT NC State
61. GB: Ezra Butler OLB Nevada
62. DAL: Steve Johnson WR Kentucky
63. NE: J Leman ILB Illinois

2009 NFL Draft - Round 1

1. KC: Todd Boeckman QB Ohio State
2. CAR: Al Woods DT LSU
3. SEA: Chris Wells RB Ohio State
4. OAK: Michael Oher T Mississippi
5. BUF: Vernon Gholston DE Ohio State
6. GB: Taylor Mays S USC
7. TEN: Jeffrey Fitzgerald DE Virginia
8. PHI: Alex Boone T Ohio State
9. BAL: Brian Cushing OLB USC
10. NO: Pat Sims DT Auburn
11. CHI: Hunter Cantwell QB Louisville
12. CIN: Andre Smith T Alabama
13. STL: Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
14. MIA: Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Maryland
15. MIN: Jake Ikegwuonu CB Wisconsin
16. NYG: Fili Moala DT USC
17. ATL: Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia
18. DAL: Percy Harvin WR Florida
19. NYJ: Brian Robiskie WR Ohio State
20. SF: Tyson Jackson DE LSU
21. SD: George Selvie DE/OLB South Florida
22. HOU: Myron Rolle S Florida State
23. JAX: Brandon Spikes ILB Florida
24. ARZ: Kevin Smith RB Central Florida
25. DEN: Nic Harris S Oklahoma
26. IND: Herman Johnson G LSU
27. CLE: DeMonte Bolden DT Tennessee
28. WAS: Demarcus Granger DT Oklahoma
29. TB: Oderick Turner WR Pittsburgh
30. PIT: Eric Vanden Heuvel T Wisconsin
31. DET: Ray Rice RB Rutgers
32. NE: Trevard Lindley CB Kentucky

akvikefan89
11-28-2007, 06:15 AM
Brian Brohm at #16...

Can't argue with the value...

dbtb135
11-28-2007, 06:57 AM
25. TB: Erik Ainge QB Tennessee

55. TB: Leodis McKelvin CB Troy

NO, and I'd prefer Tribble in round two. I think he fits our scheme better. We should definitely go after corner in round 2 or 3. So not a terrible 2nd, but definitely a terrible 1st.

BucSappy
11-28-2007, 07:08 AM
NO, and I'd prefer Tribble in round two. I think he fits our scheme better. We should definitely go after corner in round 2 or 3. So not a terrible 2nd, but definitely a terrible 1st.

Making the pick, and being a very knowledgeable Bucs fan, I realized Ainge in the first was very very controversial.

But here is why I made that pick in the mock. I don't really see another QB in the draft that I like if I am Tampa Bay. Every one has a lot of issues and is a huge risk. Erik Ainge isn't as bad as everyone is making him out to be...as if the only memories of him are his fresh and soph seasons. Ainge is a BIG reason why Tennessee only gave up 4 sacks this year. He makes smart decisions. Gets rid of the football quickly. Has great size. Has a very good arm. You aren't going to get a QB like that in the rest of the draft.

Here are some more options that I think Tampa would have seriously considered in that spot: E. Doucet, M. Jenkins, P. Loadholt, J. Otah, L. Sweed and A. Cason.

Now look at the QB class of 2009. It is a huge gamble really. There are only two good prospects as of now: Boeckman and Cantwell, and Cantwell didn't even play this season.

If I am Bruce Allen and Jon Gruden, I think you can look at Ainge and see he could be a very capable starter in the NFL. You would have to bring him along slowly like they did with Chris Simms, but there is more talent in place now than there was 2 years ago. If you don't take Ainge what are you supposed to do? Wait till 2009 and rely on Jeff Garcia for the next 7 years?

It isn't a "sexy" pick for Buc fans to look at. But I think it is a smart one. I'm sorry, but I don't want to say that my QB of the future is Joe Flacco.

Chucky
11-28-2007, 07:11 AM
Erik Ainge would be an awful first round pick for the BUcs at this point. I think we would be able to get him in the second round, so there is no need to reach. I would prefer loadholt or Otah in the first round, then Ainge in the second

BucSappy
11-28-2007, 07:14 AM
Erik Ainge would be an awful first round pick for the BUcs at this point. I think we would be able to get him in the second round, so there is no need to reach. I would prefer loadholt or Otah in the first round, then Ainge in the second

But I don't think he will be there in the 2nd round. A lot of teams plan on taking QBs in the 2nd. I mean look at what Miami did last year. Ginn in 1st, Beck in 2nd. Some team is going to like Ainge and probably plan to take him in the 2nd you just can't bank on Ainge being there, especially when he will be likely (far and away imo) the best QB in the draft after the Big 3.

Trust me. As a Bucs fan. I would much rather have Loadholt, Otah, Jenkins, Manningham, etc. in the 1st and then Ainge in the 2nd. Tampa has an emergency need really at QB when you evaluate the 2009 prospects, and I don't feel like waiting until 2010. What if Garcia gets a career ending injury or something (or pulls a Trent Green and gets concussion after concussion). As mobile as Garcia is you can't bank on him being healthy for the next 5 years, especially with his age.

dbtb135
11-28-2007, 07:26 AM
So we're going to take Ainge in the 1st, when he probably has no business there (and I like him) because we're crapping our pants over a QB class in the next year that hasn't even come close to shaping up? You're saying that if we don't take Ainge, we're basically screwed for the next 2 years, even though you cannot at this point say that we WOULDN'T be able to find a QB similar in talent to not JaMarcus Russell or Andre Woodson, but to Ainge himself? Thats overkill, we can't draft this year like we're afraid of what is coming next year, because we don't have a good enough grasp of next year, and it could very well end up in us passing up some better talent because we're too worrisome.

BucSappy
11-28-2007, 07:39 AM
So we're going to take Ainge in the 1st, when he probably has no business there (and I like him) because we're crapping our pants over a QB class in the next year that hasn't even come close to shaping up? You're saying that if we don't take Ainge, we're basically screwed for the next 2 years, even though you cannot at this point say that we WOULDN'T be able to find a QB similar in talent to not JaMarcus Russell or Andre Woodson, but to Ainge himself? Thats overkill, we can't draft this year like we're afraid of what is coming next year, because we don't have a good enough grasp of next year, and it could very well end up in us passing up some better talent because we're too worrisome.

I know the counterarguments of what I said (worrying about 09 QB class), but it is a legitimate argument.

And why does Ainge have no business being in round 1? If Logan Mankins and Craig Davis can be first round picks, then so can Erik Ainge. (not knocking Mankins or Davis, but they were reaches).

Finsfan79
11-28-2007, 07:40 AM
1. MIA: Jake Long T Michigan


Horrible pick not a primary need. Glenn Dorsey please

Or give us McFadden


32. MIA: Quentin Groves DE/OLB Auburn

No thank you give us Loadholt there or Sweed/Manningham, Dre Moore


51. MIA (f/SD): Terrell Thomas CB USC

Not a big fan of the player personally would rather get a mlb there but he is alright



No thanks for the miami draft

dbtb135
11-28-2007, 07:50 AM
I know the counterarguments of what I said (worrying about 09 QB class), but it is a legitimate argument.

That we'd let the 2009 class dictate our 2008 first rounder? I don't know that it is. Plus, what about Daniel? Gruden likes them mobile and height hasn't been a hang-up with Grads or Garcia. What about Tebow, Stafford, Colt McCoy, Sanchez, or Grothe entering? Are we looking so far ahead as to who would/wouldn't enter, because that would be taking another big step towards an extreme of worrying about what's down the line when we should be (and likely WILL BE) focused on this draft first.

And why does Ainge have no business being in round 1? If Logan Mankins and Craig Davis can be first round picks, then so can Erik Ainge. (not knocking Mankins or Davis, but they were reaches).

Mankins, according to most, wasn't the reach people originally thought he was. Gruden apparently loved the kid and wanted to get him badly with our early 2nd (who turned out to be Ruud), but he didn't fall.

BucSappy
11-28-2007, 07:50 AM
1. MIA: Jake Long T Michigan


Horrible pick not a primary need. Glenn Dorsey please

Or give us McFadden

So Jake Long doesn't fit a "primary need" for Miami, but Darren McFadden does? Okay...

BucSappy
11-28-2007, 07:54 AM
That we'd let the 2009 class dictate our 2008 first rounder? I don't know that it is. Plus, what about Daniel? Gruden likes them mobile and height hasn't been a hang-up with Grads or Garcia. What about Tebow, Stafford, Colt McCoy, Sanchez, or Grothe entering? Are we looking so far ahead as to who would/wouldn't enter, because that would be taking another big step towards an extreme of worrying about what's down the line when we should be (and likely WILL BE) focused on this draft first.



Mankins, according to most, wasn't the reach people originally thought he was. Gruden apparently loved the kid and wanted to get him badly with our early 2nd (who turned out to be Ruud), but he didn't fall.

Maybe Erik Ainge isn't thre reach you originially think he is if he turns out to be a fine player like Mankins. I mean you are basing it on hindsight reasoning. On draft day everyone was "WTF...Mankins?"

I mean your logic pretty much falls under that you hate Erik Ainge, just admit it. I mean even Scott says he is the most underrated senior QB. I don't think he is as bad as you think he is, but hopefully he gets a Senior Bowl invite and we see how he compares to Woodson/Ryan/Brohm. Considering how inexperienced this WR corps was coming into the season, I think Ainge had a very good year.

Finsfan79
11-28-2007, 08:04 AM
So Jake Long doesn't fit a "primary need" for Miami, but Darren McFadden does? Okay...

mcfadden would be a BPA pick since he is BPA in the draft. Miami does need offensive playmakers


We do not need a left tackle, our left tackle has been one of the top 5 in the league this year. Carey is a total stud. Actually our whole oline has been amazing this year compared to the numbers of touches our QB's have thrown and the state of our running backs.


Add to the fact that Ronnie brown in 3 years in the league has missed over a complete season of games from injuries Every single year?

Add into the fact that Cameron doesnt like brown (statements early and before the year). There is a possibility we take McFadden and trade brown to a team for a late 1st rounder. A team like for instance Green Bay or Dallas could easily use a back of his raw skill set that has shown glimpses of his potential earlier in the year.

Get the Best player in the draft and then get a late 1st that can be spent on picking up oline Depth (Right Tackle, or right guard one or the other is needed but not both). Or picking up a play maker Wide Reciever (we have the most drops in the league btw). Or picking up a talented Middle linebacker (Zach is done) or getting more dline depth (we have the worst run defense in the NFL).


Glenn Dorsey is the best pick as we will be switching back to the 4-3 and have been playing it more often then the 3-4 in the hybrid. We can use a big beefy player in the middle of the line that is a playmaker put him next to Rodrique Wright and together clog up that middle for a long time to come.



So Yes McFadden is a better pick then long specially with the depth at Offensive Tackle and the Needs of the Miami Dolphins.

BucSappy
11-28-2007, 08:09 AM
No one is going to trade up for the #1 overall pick. No one can afford it.

Also, you don't draft one position at #2 overall 2 years ago, and then go back to that position 2 years later and draft it #1 overall.

Ronnie Brown played great for the Dolphins in the last few games. By no means is RB a need, and if it is a need than that position can be addressed in round 3 or 4 considering the RB depth this year.

What happened with Lorenzo Booker?

Crow
11-28-2007, 08:15 AM
#4 overall in '09? You suck.

Other than that, nice mock.

T-RICH49
11-28-2007, 08:15 AM
Give KC Thomas in the 2nd and as for our 2009 NO give us Ikegwunu or Crabtree are better pocks

TitanHope
11-28-2007, 08:17 AM
In my opinion, Erik Ainge is an early 2nd RD pick. But, there's really no one QB in this draft that I'm excited about, and only Woodson sets himself apart due to his higher ceiling. Also, remember that Ainge doesn't have any star players around him. Woodson has Keenan Burton and Jacob Tamme. Brohm has Harry Douglas and Mario Urrutia. Ryan doesn't have a great player either. He's got Ryan Purvis... Ainge has Austin Rogers... I would not be surprised if one team liked one over another and picked him early.

As for the Titans draft, if we go receiver twice, I'd rather go WR and TE, not WR and WR. Plus, I think James Hardy is a much better prospect than Adarius Bowman. Hardy and Fred Davis please.

As for '09, if we go DE, I prefer Michael Johnson. If he has a good senior campaign, he'll be a high pick. I haven't seen Fitzgerald play, but I haven't heard anything intriguing about him. But, he may have been overshadowed by Chris Long the entire season. Anyway, DT may also be a bigger DL need so Pat Sims would be best in my opinion.

Finsfan79
11-28-2007, 08:17 AM
No one is going to trade up for the #1 overall pick. No one can afford it.

hence why the statement of Ronnie Brown being moved away instead of McFadden (2 years on contract, very young still shown potential). That has been discussed before a few times.

I dont think anyone would either. IMO the best pick for Miami is still Glenn Dorsey.

Shift back into the 4-3 put him and Wright (or dre moore if picked) into the middle. Plug up that worst run defense in the NFL. Snag a FA CB to place next to Allen and draft a safety to beat down the rushing attack and get that defense some youth. Draft a late round linebacker and hope you can mold him fast to take over (since linebackers are more a product of their system unless truly great and the miami system will help a linebacker grow well).

On the offensive side they need either a Right tackle (slide shelton to right guard) or a Right guard (assuming hadnout will leave via FA). Left Tackle and Center are locked down for the next 6-8 years still. QB is fine, they can use a WR to play next to Teddy Ginn for another threat. They have like I said one of the worst drop rates in the NFL. Marty Booker has a 4 million cap number next year but can be cut for under a million cap hit so I expect him gone. Hagan has shown he cant be a fixture as a number 2, even with Ginn's growth unless they sign a vet WR I expect them to pick up one in the draft.

Tight end is another need but I expect them to look for a blocking first tight end really.



Booker has been pretty horrible all year and inactive because of it. He might get some playing time this weekend but it looks most likely he will be third string behind a undrafted unwanted Cobb, and an injured barely in the league Chatman whom has 2 busted ankles.

Seems like he will be a waste of a 3rd rounder to me unfortunately. Specially after they hyped him alot in the preseason. I hope he can show something for a future as a 3rd down back but his hands havent been impressive at all either. Personally I was expecting him to be a 3rd down back with the potential with his speed to perhaps line up in the slot sometimes. I guess not. :(

dbtb135
11-28-2007, 08:17 AM
Maybe Erik Ainge isn't thre reach you originially think he is if he turns out to be a fine player like Mankins. I mean you are basing it on hindsight reasoning. On draft day everyone was "WTF...Mankins?"

I just told you our staff was big on Mankins, enough so that they would have taken him at that slot also. So did the Pats. I'd take their word over someone who's reaction was "WTF....Mankins?" But who, reputable or not, has made the argument that Ainge is worth a first rounder? Even you, have made said that the guy is a reach and we'd be taking him in preparation for the next year's class.

I mean your logic pretty much falls under that you hate Erik Ainge, just admit it. I mean even Scott says he is the most underrated senior QB. I don't think he is as bad as you think he is, but hopefully he gets a Senior Bowl invite and we see how he compares to Woodson/Ryan/Brohm. Considering how inexperienced this WR corps was coming into the season, I think Ainge had a very good year.

I hate Ainge? I've said in the past on this board that I'd prefer Ainge to any QB past the top 3. That is the most childish retort I have ever heard. Just because I disagree with you and your flawed logic means I must hate the guy. Thats a joke.

Most underrated QB = first round worthy? I don't know how you make that correlation.

I never said the guy was bad, I said I don't think he has any business in round 1. I like a lot of the corners in this class, and a lot of them I don't think should go in round 1. I'd be thrilled with DeJuan Tribble or Chevis Jackson or Charles Godfrey in round 3, but since I don't think they are worth our 1st, I must hate them. Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds? Any at all?

drowe
11-28-2007, 08:27 AM
so, i guess Favre is retiring after this year...?

Scotty D
11-28-2007, 08:31 AM
Great 2008 mock for the Lions. But if Boeckman goes number 1 and Lions pick 31st I'll **** a brick.

BucSappy
11-28-2007, 08:34 AM
so, i guess Favre is retiring after this year...?

lol 10 characters

thebow305
11-28-2007, 10:38 AM
mcfadden would be a BPA pick since he is BPA in the draft. Miami does need offensive playmakers


We do not need a left tackle, our left tackle has been one of the top 5 in the league this year. Carey is a total stud. Actually our whole oline has been amazing this year compared to the numbers of touches our QB's have thrown and the state of our running backs.


Add to the fact that Ronnie brown in 3 years in the league has missed over a complete season of games from injuries Every single year?

Add into the fact that Cameron doesnt like brown (statements early and before the year). There is a possibility we take McFadden and trade brown to a team for a late 1st rounder. A team like for instance Green Bay or Dallas could easily use a back of his raw skill set that has shown glimpses of his potential earlier in the year.

Get the Best player in the draft and then get a late 1st that can be spent on picking up oline Depth (Right Tackle, or right guard one or the other is needed but not both). Or picking up a play maker Wide Reciever (we have the most drops in the league btw). Or picking up a talented Middle linebacker (Zach is done) or getting more dline depth (we have the worst run defense in the NFL).


Glenn Dorsey is the best pick as we will be switching back to the 4-3 and have been playing it more often then the 3-4 in the hybrid. We can use a big beefy player in the middle of the line that is a playmaker put him next to Rodrique Wright and together clog up that middle for a long time to come.



So Yes McFadden is a better pick then long specially with the depth at Offensive Tackle and the Needs of the Miami Dolphins.


WHEN THE HELL DID CAMERON SAY HE DIDNT LIKE BROWN!? PLEASE TELL ME!!

asmitty45
11-28-2007, 12:07 PM
Love the Lions 08 Picks and I LOVE where they are picking in 09! Ray Rice is a very good pick as well.

Gridiron
11-28-2007, 12:48 PM
Great Jets picks all-around.

Though in the 2009 draft Myron Rolle would probably be a better pick.

Jakey
11-28-2007, 12:53 PM
Not bad for the Steelers, but i think you got the picks the wrong way round...it should be O-Line in the 1st. Either Williams or Otah

fischbowl
11-28-2007, 01:28 PM
a 3-4 prospect to the Bills in 09??

Nah

skinzzfan25
11-28-2007, 05:45 PM
I like the Campbell pick, not so sure about the 2nd round though.

keylime_5
11-28-2007, 06:21 PM
Todd Boeckman going #1 overall in 2009? I would be surprised to see him go first day. Watch Boeckman's every game, and you'll see that his only great game was @Penn State, and he had plenty of games he darn near or did lose us by himself

PACKmanN
11-28-2007, 06:29 PM
give us Beau Bell in the second for the Packers, and why do you have us going 9th overall in 09?

Travis 24
11-28-2007, 06:34 PM
Eagles picks are all pretty good...I wouldn't complain if they got Jackson. They seriously need SOMEONE other than Westbrook who can do something with the ball in his hands..

Crazy_Chris
11-28-2007, 08:24 PM
LOL @ Detroit #31 in 2009...

Decent vikings mock. I would love it if the vikes were to snag Earl Bennet in the second round.

BmoreBlackByrdz
11-28-2007, 08:34 PM
Cant say much about the 09 pick for the Ravens but Im loving our 08 darft. Woodson and Cason fill our biggest needs. Good work but I think Green Bay is picking to low in 09 and Baltimore is picking to high

Canadian_kid16
11-28-2007, 08:46 PM
why do we go with AInge in the first? There were about six to eight prospects we could taken instead of him in your draft. I like the McKelvin pick, I'm high on him. But our QB of the future will be waiting for us in round three (or even round two) and that is Colt Brennan. I really hope we pick him this year.

so ya, no to Ainge, but good second round pick

Xonraider
11-28-2007, 09:00 PM
I have NO idea who Michael Oher is. Apparently he is a tackle.

scar988
11-28-2007, 09:03 PM
Atlanta can't take Knowshon Moreno in the 2009 draft... he's only a freshman now... haha

bearfan
11-28-2007, 09:16 PM
Dont mind the Bears 1st and 2nd round, b ut i dont think that RB is that big of a pressing need.

Xiomera
11-28-2007, 09:31 PM
31. DET: Ray Rice RB Rutgers

This one needs explaining on many levels . . .

Forenci
11-28-2007, 09:36 PM
Great 2008 mock for the Lions. But if Boeckman goes number 1 and Lions pick 31st I'll **** a brick.

I would pay to see this. Both Boeckman going number one overall and you laying a brick over the previously stated conundrum.

That said, I'll be along side Osi jumping off the George Washington Bridge if we selected Mendenhall in the first round. Or any RB for that matter.

I'm just messing with you of course, I don't mean to be one 'those guys' who just say 'terrible pick', with out ample explanation. Though I think most Giants fans would agree that RB isn't a day one need. A speedy burner would be nice later though. Even then, not a necessity.

Yung Flippa
11-28-2007, 10:10 PM
GREAT Ravens draft for '08

thule
11-28-2007, 11:11 PM
I know you said not to ask about 2009 draft order...but I can't help it.

Dallas finishes with a lower record than Wash/TB/Det/SF and doesn't even make the playoffs...but that seems pretty hard to believe when the only player looking to retire is a WR who hasn't played a snap this year. Our biggest FA is our #3 WR...plus we have 2 first round picks...and have good youth on the defensive side of the ball.

I would love to hear how you could justify this....this would be like putting the Colts at the 18th pick last year....just unjustifiable...

BroadwayJoe10
11-28-2007, 11:29 PM
Love the jets picks. I am definately coming around to chris long and Phil Loadholt has a tremendous ceiling. For 2009, I think i would have the jets take jasper brinkley or tyson jackson. I beleive tyson jackson is gonna come out this year, but jasper brinkley would be my ideal pick. I love the idea of him and harris in the middle, i basically have had a guycrush on jasper brinkley since i read his espn article before the season started.

Babylon
11-28-2007, 11:34 PM
Todd Boeckman going #1 overall in 2009? I would be surprised to see him go first day. Watch Boeckman's every game, and you'll see that his only great game was @Penn State, and he had plenty of games he darn near or did lose us by himself

I thought he looked good in the games i saw of Ohio State but i dont think he's at 1st round status yet. Tebow and Stafford would be candidates for that spot if i were projecting.

d34ng3l021
11-29-2007, 12:07 AM
Great picks for the Falcons all around man. But, isnt Knowshon Moreno a freshmen this year? Or is he redshirt?

RaiderNation
11-29-2007, 01:27 PM
good raider picks

D-Unit
11-29-2007, 01:50 PM
Flozell Adams' contract is up at the end of the year. We won't take a guard before a tackle. Give us Loadholt instead.

Talib doesn't fit the scheme. He's not physical and he's got string bean arms.

EdReedUnstoppable
11-29-2007, 01:50 PM
That 2008 draft for the Ravens would be like a dream come true to me!!

etk
11-29-2007, 02:22 PM
I would've chimed in hard about the picks, especially coming from a fellow Bucs fan, but my colleagues have beaten me to it. Ainge has no business going in the first and he's not the QB we need. Drafting a QB by default is not a recipe for success. I'd happily draft Loadholt in that spot if he's available (he won't be). McKelvin is a confusing pick in the 2nd with Tribble & Godfrey available. I don't know much about Turner yet so i can't argue with that pick.

yodabear
11-30-2007, 12:30 PM
Every1,

Please give the Rams QB Brian Brhom to replace that overrated $65 million POS. He sucks who can't play when his nose is runny. He is a puss.

The OUTLAW
12-17-2007, 07:06 PM
Hart is an awful second round choice for the Browns. The need is on the defensive side of the ball. Not an undersized slow and fragile tailback.

DiG
12-17-2007, 07:31 PM
im really not a fan of the skins drafts at all. im not sold on calais yet which is part of it. i truly feel that the offensive line is our biggest need this offseason and with the current age of the o line i feel like we have to get some strong youth with one of our first two picks of 08. with that said you should give us otah in rd 1. as for the rd 2 selection i understand why youd think it was a need but its not one of our bigger needs since dougthy has been serviceable in taylors absence. oline, defensive end, and possession wide receiver are all bigger needs unless theres a safety that is available that is too good to pass up on but josh barrett is barely even round 2 talent. i dont see lawrence jackson in your draft and hed be a much better selection for us in rd 2.

as for 2009 it isnt a bad selection but the skins love montgomery and gholston as the future starters in DC and cornelius still has a few years left. evans and alexander are also good depth at dt. if we dont add cb depth in 08 then we have to in 09.

Yung Flippa
12-17-2007, 08:58 PM
Soild Ravens draft for 2008
Soild picks for the Texans in both drafts

RoyHall#1
12-17-2007, 09:01 PM
Great spot for the Browns 09 pick.

BamaFalcon59
12-17-2007, 09:03 PM
Moreno is a redshirt freshman, so technically he will be eligible.

woodnick
12-17-2007, 09:13 PM
Moreno is a redshirt freshman, so technically he will be eligible.

Wouldn't he have to be a redshirt Sophomore to be eligible? Players have to be removed from highschool for at least 3 years to be eligible for the NFL.

PACKmanN
12-17-2007, 09:25 PM
I would rather have Duke Robinson in the first for the Packers.

BaLLiN
12-17-2007, 09:46 PM
disgusting giants mock

woodnick
12-17-2007, 11:36 PM
LOL @ Detroit #31 in 2009...

Decent vikings mock. I would love it if the vikes were to snag Earl Bennet in the second round.

Hey, we could trade back a couple of times.

woodnick
12-17-2007, 11:39 PM
I know you said not to ask about 2009 draft order...but I can't help it.

Dallas finishes with a lower record than Wash/TB/Det/SF and doesn't even make the playoffs...but that seems pretty hard to believe when the only player looking to retire is a WR who hasn't played a snap this year. Our biggest FA is our #3 WR...plus we have 2 first round picks...and have good youth on the defensive side of the ball.

I would love to hear how you could justify this....this would be like putting the Colts at the 18th pick last year....just unjustifiable...

I figured it out, he's got Dallas and Detroit trading picks in the 2009 draft.

Caddy
12-18-2007, 02:48 AM
As soon as I saw Erik Ainge to the Buc's in the first I stopped reading.

ABWA757
12-18-2007, 02:55 PM
not bad bills picks.. but i dont now how Cullen Harper(QB Clemson) isnt going in the first in 09

BeerBaron
12-18-2007, 06:05 PM
as much as they may need to, theres no way the bears go with a RB in the first round. its still too early to give up on benson and they have WAY too many other needs along thier oline and a severe lack of depth on defense

ManOverboard
12-21-2007, 01:52 PM
Brian Brohm's backup a 1st rounder in 2009?

You're a genius.

iloxygenil
12-21-2007, 08:31 PM
Falcons pick #4 and select Darren McFadden in 2008...

ATLDirtyBirds
12-21-2007, 08:34 PM
Falcons pick #4 and select Darren McFadden in 2008...


And if you do that, Myron in 09 would be awesome.

BaLLiN
12-23-2007, 10:59 AM
worst mock ive ever seen for giants, and Moreno will be a RS Soph, i dont think he'd declare

combineking
12-23-2007, 09:25 PM
Duke Robinson is not going 1. Cowboys don't really need him either.

J-Kay
12-23-2007, 09:27 PM
Looks good for the Jets, but why a WR in 09? Granted Coles is getting older, we'll still have bigger needs.

The Legend
12-24-2007, 02:38 AM
61. GB: Ezra Butler OLB Nevada

2009 NFL Draft - Round 1

6. GB: Taylor Mays S USC


i love just love the 2nd round pick for the packers

but do you really think the packer will only have 4-5 wins next year to fall that low in draft?

Taylor Mays = 4.3 Speed / 6'4 - 230 i'd love to have him but not gonna happen

CrackerJack465
12-24-2007, 03:51 AM
The Giants need No More RUNNINGBACKS!
Or offensive tackles.

David Diehl is a pro bowler waiting to happen

And Jacobs is gonna rush for 1,000 in only 10 games.

DT would be nice in 2009, but prob more secondary/linebackers before a DT. Robbins can stay around another year.

Its good for Beockman if he even gets drafted.
If he goes #1 overall ill **** 2 bricks. Thats right, two.