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Philliez01
02-19-2007, 10:24 AM
This was reported on Cold Pizza about 45 seconds ago and supposedly Len Pasquarelli is reporting that the Chargers have indeed hired 49ers OC Norv Turner as the coach that will replace Marty Schottenheimer.

Here's one from FOX Sports:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6485122?MSNHPHMA

02-19-2007, 10:25 AM
Definitely not who I was expecting.

bigmac076
02-19-2007, 10:25 AM
wow :shock: , niners fans are pissed.

dcrls
02-19-2007, 10:26 AM
if that's true (don't know if you can trust cold pizza :lol: ), then that sucks for 49er fans.

The Unseen
02-19-2007, 10:26 AM
Huh?

Woah...

Philliez01
02-19-2007, 10:29 AM
Well it's on ESPN2 right now if you anyone is curious. I was certain Samurai Mike would've received it and Norv would've stayed in SF but oh well.

Gribble
02-19-2007, 10:30 AM
Ummm... Did not expect that.

Jughead10
02-19-2007, 10:33 AM
This guy must interview really well for him to keep getting jobs.

SeanTaylorRIP
02-19-2007, 10:36 AM
Yes not Rex Ryan.

Splat
02-19-2007, 10:37 AM
If true as a Chiefs fan I have to say YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NIN1984
02-19-2007, 10:37 AM
sweet :lol:

Gribble
02-19-2007, 10:38 AM
I wonder what Skip Bayless is gonna say:

"I hate all the Cowboys. Norv used to work for the Cowboys, so I hate him."

eacantdraft
02-19-2007, 10:38 AM
Got love the Chargers commitment to recycling.

Some guys are just made to be coordinators and assistant coaches. They just can't make it at the top level. Nothing wrong with that.

Gribble
02-19-2007, 10:42 AM
Well, another aspect of this is that Norv wanted a lot of organization and coordinator control when he interviewed for the Cowboys. I wonder if he changed his approach in this case or AJ Smith and Norv really get along. Either way, it still doesn't make a lot of sense, especially with how the Raider players didn't have any respect for what Norv was doing in Oakland.

Vince Lombardi
02-19-2007, 10:46 AM
While I agree that Norv just seems like one of those guys who should stay a coordinator, you've gotta admit that with his knowledge on offense and with the weapons he has available (on both sides of the ball) it's gonna be nearly impossible for him to not succeed in SD.

bearsfan_51
02-19-2007, 10:48 AM
ESPN is reporting that Ted Cotrell will likely be hired as the DC. This is who A.J Smith wanted Shot to hire as his DC in the first place.

I hope that this once again sheds some light on how Singletary is viewed as a head coaching candidate. As a Bears fan even I can objectively say that there is little to his resume to deserve a head coaching position. He gets interviews based out of respect and name recognition (and being black probably doesn't hurt either).

bearsfan_51
02-19-2007, 10:49 AM
While I agree that Norv just seems like one of those guys who should stay a coordinator, you've gotta admit that with his knowledge on offense and with the weapons he has available (on both sides of the ball) it's gonna be nearly impossible for him to not succeed in SD.
The fact that he previously worked as an offensive coordinator in San Diego doesn't hurt either. People that are expecting the Norv Turner as head coach in Oakland will be sorely dissapointed. The differences between San Diego and Oakland couldn't be more stark.

Splat
02-19-2007, 10:53 AM
Lets just say it doesn't work out and they suck it up does A.J. Smith lose his job there is no one left to blame the media and fans will want his head?

bearsfan_51
02-19-2007, 10:55 AM
Lets just say it doesn't work out and they suck it up does A.J. Smith lose his job there is no one left to blame the media and fans will want his head?
I don't think Smith "blamed" Marty. He just didn't want to work with him any further. I can understand Smith's position. If you're the GM you want a coach that shares the same organizational philosophy with you and somebody that you feel like you can work with. It's a move that eventually would have to be made.

That being said you are correct. Smith now has his guy, and if the Chargers don't make serious inroads in the playoffs in the next few years (one year is unrealistic to have his head on pike) then he will face some serious heat and rightfully so.

Splat
02-19-2007, 11:03 AM
I agree he will get more then one year to show what he can do I mean this is not the Raiders we are talking about. 8)

sdpads24
02-19-2007, 11:20 AM
Well this sucks. I don't know what to think. He better turn around his head coaching carrer or he's gone next year.

etk
02-19-2007, 11:20 AM
Sucks to be a 49ers and Chargers fan. Although he does run a similar offense to what SD had before.

sdpads24
02-19-2007, 11:20 AM
I agree he will get more then one year to show what he can do I mean this is not the Raiders we are talking about. 8)
If we don't make the playoffs next year he should be fired

bearsfan_51
02-19-2007, 11:21 AM
Well this sucks. I don't know what to think. He better turn around his head coaching carrer or he's gone next year.
No he's not.

sdpads24
02-19-2007, 11:24 AM
Well this sucks. I don't know what to think. He better turn around his head coaching carrer or he's gone next year.
No he's not.
He probably won't be , but if we if we don't make the playoffs next year he should be fired. Our team is set up to win now.

NIN1984
02-19-2007, 11:29 AM
That team is so stacked its scary, so if Chargers go 8-8 or 9-7 with all that talent and fail to make the playoffs, Than what?

CC.SD
02-19-2007, 11:31 AM
Sucks to be a 49ers and Chargers fan. Although he does run a similar offense to what SD had before.

Actually he created our offense, when he was our OC in 2001. I'm not happy about this signing; AJ just hired whoever wouldn't care that he brought in his old Buffalo buddy Ted Cottrell. It's an ego move.

Well, here's hoping that Norv won't get in the way of all the talent on this team.

sdpads24
02-19-2007, 11:33 AM
That team is so stacked its scary, so if Chargers go 8-8 or 9-7 with all that talent and fail to make the playoffs, Than what?
He should hide in a corner cause all the fans are gonna beat on him.

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
02-19-2007, 11:33 AM
It would be really sad to see this team with all this talent lose 5-6 games with a bad HC. He should be gone after one season if this team loses 5-6 games, and doesn't make the super bowl. Also, I'm wondering how this affects the growth of Alex Smith, who has a new OC for the first 3 years(?) of his career. He will have to learn a new offense all over again.

cgrsly57
02-19-2007, 11:33 AM
This is a bad move for the Chargers and Turner. Hes just a bad head coach plain and simple. Hes much better as a cordinator.

02-19-2007, 11:35 AM
this signing really sucks for 49er's and there fans. Norv really did a nice job with Alex Smith and that offense and for him to leave like that has gotta suck.
Thank God It wasn't Rex Ryan !!!

Basileus777
02-19-2007, 11:36 AM
Norv Turner will be in charge of a team that he won't have to rebuild...it's a well established team with a lot of talent. He'll have the best RB in the game and a good young QB to develop.

He will be more successful with the Chargers than with Oakland, but I'm not sure he is the man to lead them to a SB.

bearsfan_51
02-19-2007, 11:38 AM
That team is so stacked its scary, so if Chargers go 8-8 or 9-7 with all that talent and fail to make the playoffs, Than what?
He should hide in a corner cause all the fans are gonna beat on him.
Actually most of the "fans" will probably start being "fans" of another bandwaggon team. I never even knew the Chargers had fans untill about 3-4 years ago.

Splat
02-19-2007, 11:41 AM
That team is so stacked its scary, so if Chargers go 8-8 or 9-7 with all that talent and fail to make the playoffs, Than what?
He should hide in a corner cause all the fans are gonna beat on him.
Actually most of the "fans" will probably start being "fans" of another bandwaggon team. I never even knew the Chargers had fans untill about 3-4 years ago.

O Burn! :D

sdpads24
02-19-2007, 11:43 AM
That team is so stacked its scary, so if Chargers go 8-8 or 9-7 with all that talent and fail to make the playoffs, Than what?
He should hide in a corner cause all the fans are gonna beat on him.
Actually most of the "fans" will probably start being "fans" of another bandwaggon team. I never even knew the Chargers had fans untill about 3-4 years ago.
Thats funny. I hear that a lot for some reason on this site. I guess there's nothing I can do about it.

Go_Eagles77
02-19-2007, 11:45 AM
This is good news for Phillip Rivers.

Ewing
02-19-2007, 11:48 AM
That team is so stacked its scary, so if Chargers go 8-8 or 9-7 with all that talent and fail to make the playoffs, Than what?
He should hide in a corner cause all the fans are gonna beat on him.
Actually most of the "fans" will probably start being "fans" of another bandwaggon team. I never even knew the Chargers had fans untill about 3-4 years ago.
To be fair the team had Ryan Leaf. That guy could kill any team's fanbase for 5-6 years.

njx9
02-19-2007, 11:49 AM
That team is so stacked its scary, so if Chargers go 8-8 or 9-7 with all that talent and fail to make the playoffs, Than what?
He should hide in a corner cause all the fans are gonna beat on him.
Actually most of the "fans" will probably start being "fans" of another bandwaggon team. I never even knew the Chargers had fans untill about 3-4 years ago.
Thats funny. I hear that a lot for some reason on this site. I guess there's nothing I can do about it.

can't imagine why...

oh wait, maybe because the chargers team thread was consistently one of the smallest before this year. or because there were basically no san diego posters on the NFL or O/T boards (the two most read boards here).

swagger
02-19-2007, 11:53 AM
So the Chargers let their two canidates leave for head coaching duties, then fire Marty Schottenheimer.........only to go on an to acquire Norv Turner as head coach and Ted Cottrell as defensive coordinator. Wow, what are they doing?? They are in shambles.

regoob2
02-19-2007, 11:57 AM
This is good news for Phillip Rivers.

and bad news for Alex Smith, but he will continue to grow

Larry
02-19-2007, 11:59 AM
I hope SD blows this year.

doingthisinsteadofwork
02-19-2007, 12:04 PM
THis is a great day in the Raider Nation.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

sdpads24
02-19-2007, 12:09 PM
THis is a great day in the Raider Nation.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
That's why I hate raider fans

diabsoule
02-19-2007, 12:13 PM
This is the worst hiring this offseason. I figured that his track record during his head coaching stints would prove that he's just not a good head coach. San Diego is again just going to waste all the talent they have on their team by not hiring a good, young coach like Rex Ryan, Mike Singletary, or Ron Rivera.

Vince Lombardi
02-19-2007, 12:14 PM
THis is a great day in the Raider Nation.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
That's why I hate raider fans

they've got nothing else going for them, atleast allow them to have that. :P :lol:

Vince Lombardi
02-19-2007, 12:16 PM
This is the worst hiring this offseason. I figured that his track record during his head coaching stints would prove that he's just not a good head coach. San Diego is again just going to waste all the talent they have on their team by not hiring a good, young coach like Rex Ryan, Mike Singletary, or Ron Rivera.

In all fairness, none of those guys listed have proven that they will be successful as head coaches... Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that they won't, it's just it annoys me when everybody assumes it to be a fact.

CC.SD
02-19-2007, 12:20 PM
That team is so stacked its scary, so if Chargers go 8-8 or 9-7 with all that talent and fail to make the playoffs, Than what?
He should hide in a corner cause all the fans are gonna beat on him.
Actually most of the "fans" will probably start being "fans" of another bandwaggon team. I never even knew the Chargers had fans untill about 3-4 years ago.

That's probably because we spend time outside, not staring at a computer all day. :D

I'm not about to get engaged in a flame war, but seriously show some respect. Literally every thread about the Chargers making some move or another has some braintrust saying "Now all their fans will leave LOLZ",

Vikes99ej
02-19-2007, 12:27 PM
Why did I keep on hearing Turner's name mentioned for all these jobs? Why was he such a hot commodity?

Vince Lombardi
02-19-2007, 01:03 PM
Why did I keep on hearing Turner's name mentioned for all these jobs? Why was he such a hot commodity?

Because he has a great offensive mind and he's had alot of success in the NFL as an OC. Of course some people are just meant to be great coordinators, not great HC's, and that seems to be the general consensus on Turner. Who knows though, maybe third times the charm.

16_SFfan_80
02-19-2007, 01:06 PM
A move that set back two teams. Alex Smith now has his third offensive coordinator in three years.

etk
02-19-2007, 01:11 PM
THis is a great day in the Raider Nation.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
That's why I hate raider fans

they've got nothing else going for them, atleast allow them to have that. :P :lol:

:P QFT

Windy
02-19-2007, 01:29 PM
i'm a raider fan and just because turner sucked with us doesnt mean he's going to suck with san diego. he had no control over the locker room at all.
just look at our offense when he coached and then look at our offense this year. big difference.

yourfavestoner
02-19-2007, 01:37 PM
i'm a raider fan and just because turner sucked with us doesnt mean he's going to suck with san diego. he had no control over the locker room at all.
just look at our offense when he coached and then look at our offense this year. big difference.

That's true. People forget that the Oakland offense was functional with Turner. Jordan had 1000 yards rushing and led all runningbacks in receptions. Moss had a 1000 yard season. Porter had a 900 yard season. Kerry Collins is terrible, but he still put up over 3500 yards and had 20 touchdowns.

Shiver
02-19-2007, 01:39 PM
Here is what I am thinking; how many coaches have won recently with Al Davis' Raiders? How many coaches have succeeded under Dan Snyder? Even Joe Gibbs has been struggling. So I am not sure you can really label Norv Turner a bad coach, based on struggles, in two horrible situations.

Splat
02-19-2007, 01:45 PM
Why did I keep on hearing Turner's name mentioned for all these jobs? Why was he such a hot commodity?

I have been asking myself the same thing I believe this is his last chance if he can't win with this talent he is done as a HC.

kevin148
02-19-2007, 01:49 PM
While I agree that Norv just seems like one of those guys who should stay a coordinator, you've gotta admit that with his knowledge on offense and with the weapons he has available (on both sides of the ball) it's gonna be nearly impossible for him to not succeed in SD.
The fact that he previously worked as an offensive coordinator in San Diego doesn't hurt either. People that are expecting the Norv Turner as head coach in Oakland will be sorely dissapointed. The differences between San Diego and Oakland couldn't be more stark.
It's not Singletary I was thinking about...but what about Ron Rivera ? this guy was all the rage during the first 10 weeks of the season, then they make the S.B. and lose. The season ends and what 6 H.C. jobs become availble....the dust settles they all get filled and Rivera still stays in Chicago ?? what gives ?

bearsfan_51
02-19-2007, 01:55 PM
While I agree that Norv just seems like one of those guys who should stay a coordinator, you've gotta admit that with his knowledge on offense and with the weapons he has available (on both sides of the ball) it's gonna be nearly impossible for him to not succeed in SD.
The fact that he previously worked as an offensive coordinator in San Diego doesn't hurt either. People that are expecting the Norv Turner as head coach in Oakland will be sorely dissapointed. The differences between San Diego and Oakland couldn't be more stark.
It's not Singletary I was thinking about...but what about Ron Rivera ? this guy was all the rage during the first 10 weeks of the season, then they make the S.B. and lose. The season ends and what 6 H.C. jobs become availble....the dust settles they all get filled and Rivera still stays in Chicago ?? what gives ?
A couple of reasons I think.

1)The only jobs still available after the Superbowl were Dallas and San Diego. The other 4 teams could have waited for him, but teams rarely do.

2)The elite status of the Bears defense is primarily attributed to Lovie, and rightfully so.

3)Rivera has been on record stating that his defense will run the cover 2. For the two jobs available, that would have required a shift in organizational philosophy and some personel.

4)There are many reports that Rivera is a bad interview and comes off as a dick. I've heard from numerous Bears fans that he doesn't come off that well in person either. He's a very fiery personality and again, the two jobs available went to coaches that are percieved to be much more docile and controllable.

papa burgundy
02-19-2007, 02:17 PM
This sounds oddly too familiar with the whole Mooch fired-Erickson hired drama with the Niners in 03. A well liked players coach fired for lack of aggression and a spat with the GM for a guy who has been a mediocre head coach who seems even more laid back in his approach and is a good friend with the GM? Not to mention they hired arguably one of the worst defensive coordinators in the league. I can't even be mad at Norv for being a **** sucker and yanking the Niners chain around for the past month with all this coaching stuff. I can only stop and laugh at the Chargers from going from one of the best coaching staffs in Cameron-Phillips-Marty to one of the worst in Norv and Ted friggin Cottrell. If I was a Chargers fan I'd be praying to God that a team can win a championship on pure talent and hope the coach won't interfere with that.

Bohleive
02-19-2007, 02:18 PM
What a joke. Now AJ Smith has his pawn. They will not win a superbowl with Norv.

HawkeyeFan
02-19-2007, 02:18 PM
Yea! There offense was tougher to stop than Seattle's I think last year and they lost there Offensive Coordinator! :lol:

papa burgundy
02-19-2007, 02:23 PM
A move that set back two teams. Alex Smith now has his third offensive coordinator in three years.

He'll have his 3rd offensive coordinator but Nolan already said he'd hire a guy who knows the system(which will probably be WR coach Jerry Sullivan). The only thing that hurts him is he'll get less QB "tutoriness" from Turner.

D-Unit
02-19-2007, 02:42 PM
This is just HILARIOUS!!!! :lol: Norv???!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

ZRO
02-19-2007, 02:57 PM
How does this scrub keep getting jobs? Unbelievable.

San Diego is wasting the most talented team in the league on Norval f'n Turner.

Zim3031
02-19-2007, 03:09 PM
Wow, was all of this seriously over the hiring of Ted Cottrell?

San Diego Chicken
02-19-2007, 03:33 PM
We're just going to have to see how it works out. I know lots of Charger fans are going to be dissapointed with this hire, but the player personnel on the team is still good enough to succeed. If the team underachieves again, then the players should be held accountable. The good thing that can be taken away from the hire is it will help Rivers, especially if another target can be found for him in the draft. The long term success of the franchise is tied directly into Rivers's continue development.

Sveen
02-19-2007, 05:55 PM
I was expecting them to hire a defensive minded guy as their HC.

princefielder28
02-19-2007, 05:58 PM
I terribel hire by the Chargers b/c he has never been a winner and I don't remeber Cotrell running a 3-4 defense

dazuck
02-19-2007, 06:46 PM
Bad move by the Chargers.

Turner has ZERO control over the lockeroom. You know why the players were so happy? It's because they knew 'Uncle Norv' just came to town and they can get away with doing anything they want. Unless Norv puts his foot down, problems will arise later.

Though Norv is great with running backs, making average ones monsters (LaMont Jordan and Frank Gore) So one can only wonder what he could do with LT. I think they could pull it off, but somebody has to step up and be the authority figure that Norv isn't.

PACKmanN
02-19-2007, 08:40 PM
this is the same feeling we thought when we hired Mike, just gave it sometime who knows what can happen in the NFL these days.

toonsterwu
02-19-2007, 10:37 PM
I like the move. Norv will help develop Rivers, which was critical, and Norv was probably amenable to having a 3-4 defense in place. The defense was going to be fine, so getting a good offensive guy made some sense. Adding Rivera gives further depth to the coaching staff, since Cottrell has been away for a year (and wasn't all that effective in Minnesota).

WildDude
02-19-2007, 11:33 PM
eh dont like it too much... he'll fail hes just one of those guys tha no matter wha team is there hes a lock to fail... a 7-9 record is in the books u heard it here first, he gets WAYYY too many oppurtunties mg how can they not hire Ron Rivera or Mike Singletary

Iamcanadian
02-20-2007, 12:46 PM
How does this scrub keep getting jobs? Unbelievable.

San Diego is wasting the most talented team in the league on Norval f'n Turner.

Got to agree, just a panic decision by Spanos and Smith. They'll never see the playoffs next year. :roll:

Modano
02-21-2007, 02:46 AM
Here is what I am thinking; how many coaches have won recently with Al Davis' Raiders? How many coaches have succeeded under Dan Snyder? Even Joe Gibbs has been struggling. So I am not sure you can really label Norv Turner a bad coach, based on struggles, in two horrible situations.

So hiring Wade Phillips instead of Caldwell, Singletary or Rivera was stupid, but hiring Norv Turner instead of these guys isn't?

Shiver
02-21-2007, 11:05 AM
Here is what I am thinking; how many coaches have won recently with Al Davis' Raiders? How many coaches have succeeded under Dan Snyder? Even Joe Gibbs has been struggling. So I am not sure you can really label Norv Turner a bad coach, based on struggles, in two horrible situations.

So hiring Wade Phillips instead of Caldwell, Singletary or Rivera was stupid, but hiring Norv Turner instead of these guys isn't?

No, the Chargers should have hired one of those three. That said; I understand the rationale, for the Chargers. Norv Turner will retain the same offense, defense, as the last regime, allowing a 14-2 team to not have to learn a new system. The rationale, with Phillips, to me was a power move by Jerry Jones to re-assert himself into control. I think, unless Norv really does well, he's keeping the seat warm for Bill Cowher, next year.

Modano
02-21-2007, 12:43 PM
Here is what I am thinking; how many coaches have won recently with Al Davis' Raiders? How many coaches have succeeded under Dan Snyder? Even Joe Gibbs has been struggling. So I am not sure you can really label Norv Turner a bad coach, based on struggles, in two horrible situations.

So hiring Wade Phillips instead of Caldwell, Singletary or Rivera was stupid, but hiring Norv Turner instead of these guys isn't?

No, the Chargers should have hired one of those three. That said; I understand the rationale, for the Chargers. Norv Turner will retain the same offense, defense, as the last regime, allowing a 14-2 team to not have to learn a new system. The rationale, with Phillips, to me was a power move by Jerry Jones to re-assert himself into control. I think, unless Norv really does well, he's keeping the seat warm for Bill Cowher, next year.

I stronlgy disagree.. Phillips was hired to make our defense better, we have the talent but we didn't have the right coaching last year.. Phillips bring a defense that can use this talent properly.. Our offense was dinamite all year long under Sparano, and now Garrett could help Romo.. So the problem was to fix our defense and to make players like Spears, Canty, Carpenter, Burnett all step up. We were very bad in december because of our defense.. And Phillips was the best guy avaible to make our 3-4 better..
On the other hand we can say the Chargers' move was made by AJ Smith to re-assert himself into control and bring in his team his old buddy Ted Cotrell? AJ has never shown appreciation for Marty Schotteneimer..

portermvp84
02-21-2007, 04:48 PM
I say it's a decent move, they'll still get to the playoffs.

locseti
02-21-2007, 07:53 PM
WOW, I cant believe the Chargers went from Marty to Norval, what a terrible downgrade! AJ Smith is the one that should be fired. That punk coulda dumped Marty sooner and the silver and black coulda hired him and helped him torture SD and Smith for years to come!