Tarvaris Jackson question

[devinhester=R.O.Y 2006]

I was wondering how much he has improved over the season. All that I have been hearing is that he is playing great thus far this season. Is this true? And if so what will Minnesota be targeting with their first round pick? Or will QB still be the number 1 offseason priority for the Vikings?

[bored of education]

Tavaris is maturing alot, QUICKLY. With Sidney Rice, Allison and Peterson around him and a solid line I would say QB won't be a thought int he 1st few rounds.

[Moses]

I was wondering how much he has improved over the season. All that I have been hearing is that he is playing great thus far this season. Is this true? And if so what will Minnesota be targeting with their first round pick? Or will QB still be the number 1 offseason priority for the Vikings?

He started out playing pretty terribly but he's picked it up lately. I think Vikings stick with him for at least another year because he's finally shown some flashes.

[The Dynasty]

Well in the past 3 games, Tarvaris Jackson has looked great. He is becoming careful with the football and making smart decisons. Im not really watching the mock drafts right now but ive seen us taking kenny phillips and desean jackson. QB at this time isnt a worry for 1st round at this moment but it could still change but i hope it doesnt. I like Tarvaris Jackson and wants to see him succeed in Minnesota.

[nemesis3394]

if he keeps playing like he has been then no qb would not be a choice in the draft but rather an olineman to shore up the right side or a safety to help the secondary

[bored of education]

I would say Kenny Phillips then Gosder Cherilus for RT IF I WAS THE GM OF THE VIKES LOL

[yo123]

QB isnt even close to the #1 need for the Vikes. We need secondary help or a RT.

[DChess]

he has better control over the offense. hes taken much better care of the ball and had since that has been getting a couple more oppurtunities.

[devinhester=R.O.Y 2006]

So if they stick with Tarvaris, what do they do with their backup situation? Are people content with Tarvaris being backup by Kelly Holcomb and Brooks Bollinger? Or do they look to bring in a better quality backup?

[The Dynasty]

I would say Kenny Phillips then Gosder Cherilus for RT IF I WAS THE GM OF THE VIKES LOL

Well Rick Spielman did well last year so hopefully he does well this year again.

[The Dynasty]

So if they stick with Tarvaris, what do they do with their backup situation? Are people content with Tarvaris being backup by Kelly Holcomb and Brooks Bollinger? Or do they look to bring in a better quality backup?

I dont mind Holcomb but Brooks needs to go..I wouldnt mind a veteran backup that is decent enough to play if tarvaris is down.

[GB12]

I was wondering how much he has improved over the season. All that I have been hearing is that he is playing great thus far this season. Is this true? And if so what will Minnesota be targeting with their first round pick? Or will QB still be the number 1 offseason priority for the Vikings?
I wouldn't say he's been playing great this season. He's played well the past two weeks. His best game this season, 10/12 129 yards 1 TD 0 INT. His worst game, 17/33 166 yards 0 TDs 4 INT.

[yo123]

I wouldn't say he's been playing great this season. He's played well the past two weeks. His best game this season, 10/12 129 yards 1 TD 0 INT. His worst game, 17/33 166 yards 0 TDs 4 INT.




Last week he was 18-24 for 200 yards and 2 TDs

[The Dynasty]

Last week he was 18-24 for 200 yards and 2 TDs

yeah i was going to say that too and the 1 INT he had was when they were up like what 35-10 or 42-10? lol

[GB12]

Last week he was 18-24 for 200 yards and 2 TDs
I used the week with the highest QB rating.

[Ward]

http://www.bqb-site.com/carter.jpg

[soybean]

he's taking care of the ball well but I especially love watching him run. He's pretty dynamic.

[wogitalia]

Last couple have been really good. His groin/hip injury is finally looking to be cleared up and he can run a bit. No Vick or anything, but he runs well enough that you have to respect it.

Most impressive thing about him along with his running for me is how well he is selling his hand offs on play action plays. Considering that the Vikings will be run heavy for the foreseeable future that is a big skill to have and use. He can throw, his biggest problem is still when he shouldn't throw and standing in the pocket too long.

His improvement though has gone hand in hand with Sidney Rice's. The better Rice gets, the better TJ has gotten. That is not surprising considering Rice is already by far our best receiver and actually gives TJ a target.

As for what to draft, I never like QB in this draft anyway, not a fan on anyone in it, we do need a developmental guy as our 3rd stringer though, wouldn't mind going for a 6th round type guy with the physical skills. Perhaps Dixon if he dropped that far, but should look at QB late. In my opinion safety, RT and DE are the biggest problems. We are currently playing ourselves out of an elite pick, Phillips would have been nice, but I think if Campbell is there we have to pick him. WR should almost certainly occupy 1 of the day one picks, preferably round 2 and probably a 3rd or 4th as well. RT is the biggest flaw on the team, but that might be better addressed in FA unless we can get a steal in the draft like Long in the middle of the first or Baker in the 2nd.

A lot of it depends on how far we go this year, right now we can beat anyone on our day(except maybe the Pats who are basically the perfect example of the type of team we cant stop). We may yet play ourselves into the late teens in the draft. Things change a lot there. RT, S, WR and DE are the biggest needs though, that much I am certain of.

[art vandelay]

Last couple have been really good. His groin/hip injury is finally looking to be cleared up and he can run a bit. No Vick or anything, but he runs well enough that you have to respect it.

Most impressive thing about him along with his running for me is how well he is selling his hand offs on play action plays. Considering that the Vikings will be run heavy for the foreseeable future that is a big skill to have and use. He can throw, his biggest problem is still when he shouldn't throw and standing in the pocket too long.

His improvement though has gone hand in hand with Sidney Rice's. The better Rice gets, the better TJ has gotten. That is not surprising considering Rice is already by far our best receiver and actually gives TJ a target.

As for what to draft, I never like QB in this draft anyway, not a fan on anyone in it, we do need a developmental guy as our 3rd stringer though, wouldn't mind going for a 6th round type guy with the physical skills. Perhaps Dixon if he dropped that far, but should look at QB late. In my opinion safety, RT and DE are the biggest problems. We are currently playing ourselves out of an elite pick, Phillips would have been nice, but I think if Campbell is there we have to pick him. WR should almost certainly occupy 1 of the day one picks, preferably round 2 and probably a 3rd or 4th as well. RT is the biggest flaw on the team, but that might be better addressed in FA unless we can get a steal in the draft like Long in the middle of the first or Baker in the 2nd.

A lot of it depends on how far we go this year, right now we can beat anyone on our day(except maybe the Pats who are basically the perfect example of the type of team we cant stop). We may yet play ourselves into the late teens in the draft. Things change a lot there. RT, S, WR and DE are the biggest needs though, that much I am certain of.

That may be a little overzealous...

[Jughead10]

You can only win so many games in the NFL throwing the ball 12 times a game.

[furiousgod]

easy to look good when you have one of the best olines in football and one of the best 2headed rushing attacks ever. Reminds me alot of rothlisberger his first season where he would pass 13times a game. Lets see what happens when theyre not putting 8-9 in the box. The Main reason he has looked so good for the past 3 weeks is because they have been AHEAD!

[bored of education]

You can only win so many games in the NFL throwing the ball 12 times a game.

yeah ask the Steelers that

[swagger]

He was pretty bad up until three games ago. Also struggled with injuries- a concussion, broken finger, groin injury.

But these past three games, he has been completing 78% of his passes and has one of the highest passer ratings in the league (over that span). I'd still say he has quite a ways to go... and these numbers might be misleading. But at least he is showing some signs.

[swagger]

So if they stick with Tarvaris, what do they do with their backup situation? Are people content with Tarvaris being backup by Kelly Holcomb and Brooks Bollinger? Or do they look to bring in a better quality backup?I think the Vikes NEED to acquire a capable veteran backup with legit starting experience. The past two seasons, Childress has gone into the season with terrible backup quarterbacks. He can't do that this year, both in case Tarvaris gets injured or in case he starts to struggle.

They need a capable backup.

[DHVF]

http://www.bqb-site.com/carter.jpg
Ur a dumbass.

[619]

You can only win so many games in the NFL throwing the ball 12 times a game.

when you have two workhorses in peterson and taylor and a solid D its possible.

[Jughead10]

yeah ask the Steelers that

The Vikings aren't the Steelers and Jackson isn't Ben. And come on now even the Steelers don't throw 12 times a game. More like 16-18.

[bored of education]

true my bad. I hear you dog. I think that Jackson has done well progress wise the last few starts. patience in the pocket, eluding pressure and what not. i think the kid is solid.

[Vikes99ej]

We beat the **** outta the Giants and that's all I wanted. We don't need to throw 20 times a game when we have the best runningback in the NFC.

[Geo]

In retrospect, maybe T-Jack would have been better off sitting on the bench for two years, sort of like Romo (who had the benefit of sitting on the bench for 3 years before taking over midway through 2006). But he seems to be progressing, despite having suffered some injuries earlier in the year. Hopefully he plays well, I've liked T-Jack since seeing how he played in the preseason as a rookie.

[BamaFalcon59]

I liked what I saw against the Lions until that boneheaded interception (albeit in garbage time).

[619]

ive liked t-jack since the '06 combine when out of nowhere he made a name for himself as a nice sleeper, still didnt think he would go that high (late 2nd) but i really hope he does well because hes got one hell of an arm to go with all those weapons in minny.

[swagger]

I liked what I saw against the Lions until that boneheaded interception (albeit in garbage time).He's had a couple boneheaded interceptions on the goal line.

His performance against the Lions would have been perfect had he thrown a touchdown on the goal line instead of that int.

[smittyjs]

http://www.bqb-site.com/carter.jpgI always seen more of a Steve Mcnair in Jackson than i do Carter...

[Ward]

I suppose that makes you an optimist and me a realist. It's really the same skillset but two opposite ends of the spectrum concerning success.

[BroadwayJoe10]

easy to look good when you have one of the best olines in football and one of the best 2headed rushing attacks ever. Reminds me alot of rothlisberger his first season where he would pass 13times a game. Lets see what happens when theyre not putting 8-9 in the box. The Main reason he has looked so good for the past 3 weeks is because they have been AHEAD!

If you actually look back at the games, there were times when they had 8 and 9 in the box and he simply ran through them. It is an absolute thing of beauty to watch. Like Chris berman was saying, he is revolutionizing the game so to speak. Teams have played with 8 or 9 in the box and because of his vision, aggresiveness, power and speed he just has the ability to run through it. It is impressive to see, but if you go back and look at the film and see what the defense is trying to due on that play and then just see him ruin it is simply amazing. I'm not saying a scheme or team can't keep him under 100 cause they can, but the longer hes in this league (if he and his line stay healthy) the harder its going to be.

[VoteLynnSwan]

Ur a dumbass.

and you must have a serious anger problem. Every time someone criticizes the Vikings in some way, you flip out.

[wogitalia]

That may be a little overzealous...

Why not? Our defense is shutting down teams, without our best corner and safety, our DLine is finally healthy and looking pretty good, our DC has finally worked out that Blitzing is good for us and we have two very good backs. I don't think we are close to the best team, but on our day we can beat anyone, even the Pats look vulnerable right now, though we don't matchup well with them at all.


easy to look good when you have one of the best olines in football and one of the best 2headed rushing attacks ever.

Are we watching the same Vikings Oline? Hutch and Birk are elite. No doubt. McKinnie can run block and pass block against guys who can't run. Herrera has impressed me greatly as a run blocker but his pass blocking is adequate at best. Don't get me started on the worst starting RT in the NFL. Our line is solid. We have one of the best FBs in the league and we have 1 superstar back and one very good back. We still don't have a TE who can catch or any receiver who is anything close to a consistent target.

with all those weapons in minny.

What weapons? Rice is improving rapidly, Peterson is a great runner, Taylor is a good all round back. It is certainly arguable that TJ's legs are our 3rd best weapon right now.

[LonghornsLegend]

He has looked decent, ups and downs, but you went with the guy so early you have to give him a shot another year...if next year he takes some steps back then maybe then, but all you want to see out of a guy this soon are some flashes of what he can do for your offense...


so what he throws 14 times a game, what sense would it make to have him throw it 30 times, that comes with experience...you cant blame them for it, why would anyone in their right mind throw the ball 30+ times with 2 great backs and a great line, along with a defense that creates turnovers...

sidney rice is a stud and going to be a great wr, provides a big target for Jackson to throw to, granted he has looked attrocious at times, but he has been improving...


All I know for sure is he needs to learn how to slide, what game was it where he tried to keep running and he was hit by like 2 guys, and at the end of the run he was twitching and bent like a pretzel, I thought his season/career was over on that play...if he doesnt start sliding he wont make it far

[wogitalia]

All I know for sure is he needs to learn how to slide, what game was it where he tried to keep running and he was hit by like 2 guys, and at the end of the run he was twitching and bent like a pretzel, I thought his season/career was over on that play...if he doesnt start sliding he wont make it far
Been sliding more in the last couple of weeks but he needs to learn when to slide. He is big and strong enough that he should be trying to run over/by safeties and corners. Needs to not take on linemen and linebackers though, certainly agree there. Give him credit, he laid a really nice hit on the guy who picked him in the Detroit game. He is a physical player, who as far as I can tell has caught a couple of unlucky breaks as far as the injuries go, I like him being physical.

and a great line

Again... I wish people would stop pushing this myth as it takes away from everything that the team has done. Ryan Cook is probably the worst starting RT in the league, in all facets of the game. Herrera can run block. His pass blocking leaves a lot to be desired. Birk and Hutch are great. McKinnie can only block certain players in pass protection but can really run block. It is not a great OL it is a solid OL and to call it great really discredits what Taylor and Peterson have managed to achieve.

[crazyisme]

hey OP, please dont listen to the guys who say we need a RT...offensive line depth i would say is a need, but thats something that shouldn (and wont) be addressed until the 3rd round or later...

Vikes will be looking at safety, TE, DE, and WR the first few rounds, but the Vikes have done a pretty good job the last two years (after the Williamson incident) of going BPA rather than going off of need and hype...

from the looks of it right now, id say the most likely first round draft pick for the Vikes is going to be one of Kelly, Jackson, Bowman (unless Phillips is around) then in the 2nd round you'll probably see the Vikes target someone like Hefney or Rucker...

[crazyisme]

and wog....Cook is not the worst RT in the..well whatever BS you said....if you actually watch Cook play and have half a brain, youd see hes actually doing fairly well...so please get off his back, hes in his 2nd year playing a position he has never played before and getting better and better....RT is not a need at all, and our offensive line has, indeed been great. Herrera has been a nice breath of fresh air over Hicks too...our oline should be set for a while...id say a nice young C would be the best route to go, i know people say Cook will be moved there, but why would they take the time to make him play RT just to move him back to C?

[Paul]

Been sliding more in the last couple of weeks but he needs to learn when to slide. He is big and strong enough that he should be trying to run over/by safeties and corners. Needs to not take on linemen and linebackers though, certainly agree there. Give him credit, he laid a really nice hit on the guy who picked him in the Detroit game. He is a physical player, who as far as I can tell has caught a couple of unlucky breaks as far as the injuries go, I like him being physical.


Have to disagree on this point. I don't care if your the size of Jemarcus Russell, a QB out there looking for contact is an undesirable situation in my book. To much rides on the starting QB for him to go out there Ramboing Safeties and corners, even on a predominately running team like the Vikes. I am not saying he should not fight/leap/reach for the first down, but taking unnecessary punishment doesn't make sense when you could have easily taken a slide.

[thefridge15]

Jackson is 7-2 as a starter this year. Analyze it all you want but thats not too shabby.

[mqtirishfan]

Jackson is 7-2 as a starter this year. Analyze it all you want but thats not too shabby.

with his 73 QB rating and 6 TDs to go along with 7 INTs, I'm going to go ahead and discount that thought.


I'll actually take it a step further. In two of the wins, AD had over 200 yards rushing and 3 TDs in each game. In two of the other wins, the defense literally outscored their opponent, and the other three wins were San Fran (Defense had as many points as SF), Detroit and Oakland (3 Rushing TDs from Taylor). I'm more than willing to give him credit for being a solid QB in the last three, but he is not the reason they won them.

[ks_perfection]

I don't remember excatly what it is but Orton has a very good record as well. Record isn't indicitive of how well a QB is, people give too much credit for victories to QBs.

Whats important is how well he's been played lately.

[swagger]

with his 73 QB rating and 6 TDs to go along with 7 INTs, I'm going to go ahead and discount that thought.During this 4 game winning streak, he has a passer rating of 102.8 and a pass completion percentage of 73%.

[mqtirishfan]

During this 4 game winning streak, he has a passer rating of 102.8 and a pass completion percentage of 73%.

Against the likes of Detroit, SF and Oakland...

[BuckNaked]

Against the likes of Detroit, SF and Oakland...

and the Giants where he threw a 60 yard TD pass on Aaron Ross.

[Turtlepower]

He has definitely earned another year, but the coaching staff would be smart to get a reliable back-up just in case he plays like garbage.

[swagger]

Against the likes of Detroit, SF and Oakland...Conveniently forgot the NY Giants.

[crazyisme]

and didnt both Detroit and Oakland have like top 15 passing Defenses when we played them??

[mqtirishfan]

Conveniently forgot the NY Giants.

He had 12 attempts that game and 129 yards that game... Earth-shattering!

[andyjo672]

He had 12 attempts that game and 129 yards that game... Earth-shattering!

In fairness to him, its not like he had the opportunity to throw a lot. The offense was kept off the field a lot due to all the INT returns for touchdowns (3 of them). And once he was on the field, the lead was large enough that throwing the ball wasn't exactly in the teams best interests. So before throwing out things like 12 attempts, look at the game as a whole--Earth shattering!

[mqtirishfan]

In fairness to him, its not like he had the opportunity to throw a lot. The offense was kept off the field a lot due to all the INT returns for touchdowns (3 of them). And once he was on the field, the lead was large enough that throwing the ball wasn't exactly in the teams best interests. So before throwing out things like 12 attempts, look at the game as a whole--Earth shattering!

I'm not saying the Vikings were anything worse than spectacular. I'm saying the awesome performance by the rest of the team is why they won. The Vikings D outscored New York. How is this because of Jackson?

[swagger]

The point is that Tarvaris Jackson is developing nicely for such a raw quarterback. I'm certainly nowhere near sold on him, but if he can build on what he is doing he'll be fine.

But don't let that stop you from being ignorant and fulfilling your unknown mission of nothingness.

[scottyboy]

Conveniently forgot the NY Giants.

he played QB for the vikings that game? I coulda sworn your QB was Eli Manning that game

[andyjo672]

I'm not saying the Vikings were anything worse than spectacular. I'm saying the awesome performance by the rest of the team is why they won. The Vikings D outscored New York. How is this because of Jackson?

What I said wasn't difficult to understand. You made a comment that he only threw 12 times so don't get so excited. I responded that he only had the opportunity to throw 12 times because of how well the rest of the team played. I'm not saying he won them the game, he didn't have to. But in the opportunity he was given, he played very well.

You claim it wasn't that great of a game because he only threw 12 times.

I said he wasn't given the opportunity to throw more because of the situation he was in, because the defense put them in the position to win without him.

You countered by saying he didn't win them the game.

Do you see the flaw in your argument there?

[mqtirishfan]

The point is that Tarvaris Jackson is developing nicely for such a raw quarterback. I'm certainly nowhere near sold on him, but if he can build on what he is doing he'll be fine.

But don't let that stop you from being ignorant and fulfilling your unknown mission of nothingness.

If some Vikings fan hadn't decided to throw it out there that he's 7-2 as if it's an accomplishment, I would have said nothing.

[yo123]

and didnt both Detroit and Oakland have like top 15 passing Defenses when we played them??



I love the fact that he completely skimmed over this post...interesting...

[mqtirishfan]

and didnt both Detroit and Oakland have like top 15 passing Defenses when we played them??

Oakland, yes. Detroit, only behind the Vikings in terms of pass defense.

[DHVF]

and you must have a serious anger problem. Every time someone criticizes the Vikings in some way, you flip out.yup, i am pretty much a psycho. now what's ur street address again?

[mqtirishfan]

Congrats to Tavaris Jackson for still sucking. Thanks for proving my point, friend.

[DiG]

trav gift wrapped a nice christmas present for me tonight. much appreciated.

[Crazy_Chris]

Congrats to Tavaris Jackson for still sucking. Thanks for proving my point, friend.

He may have had a bad first half but Tarvaris Jackson is pretty much the only reason we wound up having ANY points that game. Too Little too late though.

[DHVF]

He may have had a bad first half but Tarvaris Jackson is pretty much the only reason we wound up having ANY points that game. Too Little too late though.
QFT. I don't know if anyone else noticed, but our wide receivers were absolutely pathetic in that game and did absolutely nothing to help out our offense.

[LonghornsLegend]

I hate when people bump threads like this when he has a bad game like it proves a point...Did anyone think that Jackson wasnt going to play another bad game in his career?? He is still developing, so you will see tough games, and when the ground game isnt working and he needs 2 win the game with his arm they really get tested...


What they need to decide is, if one of the big 3 qbs are there do they take one or give Jackson another year...I vote give Jackson one more year, put some more pieces in place, maybe another speed wr that doesnt suck like Williamson, he runs fade routes against the sideline so when the ball is thrown he is out of bounds already, a speedy wr to stretch the field would work well with Rice, and probably more secondary help on defense...


But I do think Jackson is good enough to lead this team 2 the playoffs next year, but I dont know how good he will end up being, he may never be nothing more then average and a good game manager and not a qb who can win the game by himself

[mqtirishfan]

I hate when people bump threads like this when he has a bad game like it proves a point...Did anyone think that Jackson wasnt going to play another bad game in his career?? He is still developing, so you will see tough games, and when the ground game isnt working and he needs 2 win the game with his arm they really get tested...


What they need to decide is, if one of the big 3 qbs are there do they take one or give Jackson another year...I vote give Jackson one more year, put some more pieces in place, maybe another speed wr that doesnt suck like Williamson, he runs fade routes against the sideline so when the ball is thrown he is out of bounds already, a speedy wr to stretch the field would work well with Rice, and probably more secondary help on defense...


But I do think Jackson is good enough to lead this team 2 the playoffs next year, but I dont know how good he will end up being, he may never be nothing more then average and a good game manager and not a qb who can win the game by himself

If they are going to declare him as anything other than a bottom-5 starting QB in this league after 3 good games, I'm more than able to bump this after two games. He's possibly the worst starting QB in the league when you look at everything.

[DHVF]

If they are going to declare him as anything other than a bottom-5 starting QB in this league after 3 good games, I'm more than able to bump this after two games. He's possibly the worst starting QB in the league when you look at everything.
Yup, he's right there with Vince Young.

[mqtirishfan]

Yup, he's right there with Vince Young.

Vince Young this year has been a sorry excuse for a QB, so I fail to see your point. Vince does have a lot more potential than Jackson though, IMO, and that's saying something because Jackson has the tools to be a good QB. He just has yet to show an ounce of that.

[DHVF]

Vince Young this year has been a sorry excuse for a QB, so I fail to see your point. Vince does have a lot more potential than Jackson though, IMO, and that's saying something because Jackson has the tools to be a good QB. He just has yet to show an ounce of that.
Haha, you fail to see my point eh? Well let me ask you this, would you have faith in Vince Young if he was your QB of the future, or would you be gunning for a replacement? I for one do not see at all how he has a lot more potential than Jackson and group them together in terms of where they are in their development.

[mqtirishfan]

Haha, you fail to see my point eh? Well let me ask you this, would you have faith in Vince Young if he was your QB of the future, or would you be gunning for a replacement? I for one do not see at all how he has a lot more potential than Jackson and group them together in terms of where they are in their development.

Vince is bigger, faster, stronger and has a better arm. Neither has shown the ability to play QB, though.

Tennessee has a lot more riding on Vince, as well. They can't give up on a guy they have so much money invested in.

[DHVF]

Vince is bigger, faster, stronger and has a better arm. Neither has shown the ability to play QB, though.

Tennessee has a lot more riding on Vince, as well. They can't give up on a guy they have so much money invested in.Taller? Yes. Bigger, not really. Faster? Eh, not really...if so its by a very slim margin. Better arm? Lol, most definitely not. Tarvaris has a significantly better arm and most sensible people are able to recognize that. While Tennessee has more invested into Vince, it makes no more sense for the Titans to give up on him than it would for the Vikings to give up on Tarvaris.

[mqtirishfan]

Taller? Yes. Bigger, not really. Faster? Eh, not really...if so its by a very slim margin. Better arm? Lol, most definitely not. Tarvaris has a significantly better arm and most sensible people are able to recognize that. While Tennessee has more invested into Vince, it makes no more sense for the Titans to give up on him than it would for the Vikings to give up on Tarvaris.

Alright, NFL GMs are not completely bat **** insane. If Jackson was as close to Vince Young as you claim he was coming out of college, Vince would not be considered a top prospect, and Jackson a fringe day 1 guy.

[DHVF]

Alright, NFL GMs are not completely batshit insane. If Jackson was as close to Vince Young as you claim he was coming out of college, Vince would not be considered a top prospect, and Jackson a fringe day 1 guy.
Dude, Vince was coming off of an epic national championship performance over USC, where Tarvaris Jackson was playing against small school teams in I-AA. While they were both considered to be projects, Tarvaris was considered to be more of an unknown quantity. The question at hand though isn't about what public perception was of them back when no one had any idea of what they would do in the pros. The question now is how they are as quarterbacks now and how they look to fare in the future.

[mqtirishfan]

Dude, Vince was coming off of an epic national championship performance over USC, where Tarvaris Jackson was playing against small school teams in I-AA. While they were both considered to be projects, Tarvaris was considered to be more of an unknown quantity. The question at hand though isn't about what public perception was of them back when no one had any idea of what they would do in the pros. The question now is how they are as quarterbacks now and how they look to fare in the future.

I'm sorry, but if you think that there's a single GM in the NFL who would take Jackson over Young, you need to to take off your purple and gold goggles.

[yourfavestoner]

I'm sorry, but if you think that there's a single GM in the NFL who would take Jackson over Young, you need to to take off your purple and gold goggles.

And what if Jackson had played at Texas and Young at Alabama State?

I don't like to talk in "what ifs" but where you go to college has as much influence on where you're drafted than anything.

[mqtirishfan]

And what if Jackson had played at Texas and Young at Alabama State?

I don't like to talk in "what ifs" but where you go to college has as much influence on where you're drafted than anything.

Did you ever stop to think there might be a reason that didn't happen?

[Iamcanadian]

Jackson came from a very small school and was particularly raw. He is only in his 2nd season and is definitely showing improvement. I really cannot see him having a true breakout year for another 2 seasons. I think he will continue to improve next year but what his ceiling is, only time will tell.
In the last 15 drafts, only 3% of the QB's drafted in round 2 have done much. However, Jackson may be an exception to the rule coming from such a small school with a lot of growth potential. Usually, 2nd rounders are QB's who played in Div.1 but were found lacking in a # of areas with not a huge ceiling for growth.
Again time will tell just how high a ceiling he reaches and no I cannot see Minny drafting another QB at this point.

[lod01]

Tavaris Jackson is the only thing stopping the Vikings from taking the next step. They should address the DB issue in the draft. They will go into 2008 with this bum as QB and Peterson will consistently see 8 in the box.