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Doctorsacb
02-19-2007, 05:20 PM
Jake Plummer released and signs with Houston Texans
Jeff Garcia resigns with Philadelphia Eagles
Ahman Green signs with New York Giants
Jammal Lewis released and signs with Oakland Raiders
Donte Stallworth resigns with Philadelphia Eagles
Drew Bennett resigns with Tennessee Titans
Eric Steinbach signs with Miami Dolphins
Leonard Davis signs with Detroit Lions
Dwight Freeney resigns with Indianapolis Colts
Vonnie Holliday signs with Cleveland Browns
Cato June resigns with Indianapolis Colts
London Fletcher-Baker signs with New England Patriots
Adalius Thomas signs with San Francisco 49ers
Nate Clements signs with New Orleans Saints
Ken Hamlin signs with Green Bay Packers
Kris Deilman resigns with San Diego Chargers
Lamont Jordan released and signs with Buffalo Bills

Round 1

1 Oakland Raiders JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU
2 Detroit Lions Jamaal Anderson, DE, Arkansas
3 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Joe Thomas, LT, Wisconsin
4 Cleveland Browns Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech
5 Arizona Cardinals Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson
6 Washington Redskins Alan Branch, DT, Michigan
7 Minnesota Vikings Levi Brown, OT, Penn State
8 Houston Texans Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma
9 Miami Dolphins Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame
10 Atlanta Falcons Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville
11 San Francisco 49ers Adam Carriker, DE, Nebraska
12 Buffalo Bills Darrelle Revis, CB, Pittsburgh
13 St. Louis Rams Ted Ginn Jr, WR, Ohio State
14 Carolina Panthers LaRon Landry, FS, LSU
15 Pittsburgh Steelers Jarvis Moss, DE/OLB, Florida
16 Green Bay Packers Marshawn Lynch, RB, California
17 Jacksonville Jaguars Reggie Nelson, FS, Florida
18 Cincinnati Bengals Lawrence Timmons, LB, FSU
19 Tennessee Titans Dwayne Jarrett, WR, USC
20 New York Giants Leon Hall, CB, Michigan
21 Denver Broncos Charles Johnson, DE, Georgia
22 Dallas Cowboys Daymeion Hughes, CB, California
23 Kansas City Chiefs Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU
24 New England Patriots Patrick Willis, LB, Ole Miss
25 New York Jets Aaron Ross, CB, Texas
26 Philadelphia Eagles Michael Griffin, FS, Texas
27 New Orleans Saints Tank Tyler, DT, North Carolina State
28 New England Patriots Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee
29 Baltimore Ravens Anthony Spencer, LB, Purdue
30 San Diego Chargers Brandon Meriweather, FS, Miami
31 Chicago Bears Ryan Kalil, C/OG, USC
32 Indianapolis Colts Jon Beason, LB, Miami

Round 2

33 Oakland Raiders Quinn Pitcock, DT, Ohio State
34 Detroit Lions Paul Posluszny, LB, Penn State
35 Cleveland Browns Joe Staley, LT, Central Michigan
36 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Victor Abiamiri, DE, Notre Dame
37 New York Jets Brian Leonard, FB, Rutgers
38 Arizona Cardinals Tony Ugoh, LT, Arkansas
39 Houston Texans Sidney Rice, WR, South Carolina
40 Miami Dolphins Justin Blalock, OG, Texas
41 Minnesota Vikings Chris Houston, CB, Arkansas
42 San Francisco 49ers Eric Weddle, FS, Utah
43 Buffalo Bills Ben Grubbs, OG, Auburn
44 Atlanta Falcons Marcus McCauley, CB, Fresno State
45 Carolina Panthers Quentin Moses, DE, Georgia
46 Pittsburgh Steelers Michael Bush, RB, Louisville
47 Green Bay Packers Greg Olsen, TE, Miami
48 Jacksonville Jaguars David Harris, LB, Michigan
49 Cincinnati Bengals Eric Wright, CB, UNLV
50 Tennessee Titans Justin Harrell, DT, Tennessee
51 New York Giants Earl Everett, LB, Florida
52 St. Louis Rams Stewart Bradley, LB, Nebraska
53 Dallas Cowboys Arron Sears, OG, Tennessee
54 Kansas City Chiefs Brandon Mebane, DT, California
55 Seattle Seahawks Zach Miller, TE, Arizona State
56 Denver Broncos Kenny Irons, RB, Auburn
57 Philadelphia Eagles Anthony Gonzalez, WR, Ohio State
58 New Orleans Saints Buster Davis, LB, FSU
59 New York Jets LaMarr Woodley, LB, Michigan
60 New England Patriots Aaron Rouse, SS, Virginia Tech
61 Baltimore Ravens Josh Beekman, OG, Boston College
62 San Diego Chargers Craig Davis, WR, LSU
63 Chicago Bears Scott Chandler, TE, Iowa
64 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Johnnie Lee Higgins, WR, UTEP

Round 3

65 Oakland Raiders Doug Free, LT, Northern Illinois
66 Detroit Lions Tanard Jackson, CB, Syracuse
67 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Josh Wilson, CB, Maryland
68 Cleveland Browns Brandon Siler, LB, Florida
69 Arizona Cardinals Rufus Alexander, LB, Oklahoma
70 Denver Broncos Jason Hill, WR, Washington State
71 Miami Dolphins Fred Bennett, CB, South Carolina
72 Minnesota Vikings Chansi Stucky, WR, Clemson
73 Houston Texans Troy Smith, QB, Ohio State
74 Buffalo Bills H.B. Blades, LB, Pittsburgh
75 Atlanta Falcons Tony Hunt, RB, Penn State
76 San Francisco 49ers Antonio Pittman, RB, Ohio State
77 Pittsburgh Steelers Marshal Yanda, OG, Iowa
78 Green Bay Packers Ray McDonald, DE, Florida
79 Jacksonville Jaguars Ikiaka Alama-Francis, DE, Hawaii
80 Tennessee Titans Tim Crowder, DE, Texas
81 New York Giants Manuel Ramirez, OG, Texas Tech
82 St. Louis Rams Justin Durant, LB, Hampton
83 Carolina Panthers Drew Stanton, QB, Michigan State
84 Kansas City Chiefs David Irons, CB, Auburn
85 Seattle Seahawks Samson Satele, OG, Hawaii
86 Denver Broncos Ryan McBean, DT, Oklahoma State
87 Dallas Cowboys Mason Crosby, K, Colorado
88 New Orleans Saints Trent Edwards, QB, Stanford
89 New York Jets Kareem Brown, DT, Miami
90 New Orleans Saints Matt Spaeth, TE, Minnesota
91 New England Patriots Dan Bazuin, DE/LB, Central Michigan
92 Baltimore Ravens Kevin Kolb, QB, Houston
93 San Diego Chargers Anthony Waters, LB, Clemson
94 Chicago Bears Sabby Piscitelli, S, Oregon State
95 Indianapolis Colts Ben Patrick, TE, Delaware

Round 4

96 Oakland Raiders Lorenzo Booker, RB, FSU
97 Detroit Lions Tim Duckworth, OG, Auburn
98 Cleveland Browns Brandon Jackson, RB, Nebraska
99 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Ryan Harris, OT, Notre Dame
100 San Francisco 49ers Paul Williams, WR, Fresno State
101 Arizona Cardinals Dwayne Wright, RB, Fresno State
102 Minnesota Vikings Jay Moore, DE, Nebraska
103 Houston Texans Michael Coe, CB, Alabama State
104 Miami Dolphins Jacoby Jones, WR, Lane
105 Atlanta Falcons Audrae Allison, WR, East Carolina
106 San Francisco 49ers Tony Taylor, ILB, Georgia
107 Buffalo Bills Marcus Thomas, DT, Florida
108 Green Bay Packers Jonathan Wade, CB, Tennessee
109 Jacksonville Jaguars Steve Smith, WR, USC
110 Cincinnati Bengals Antonio Johnson, DT, Mississippi State
111 Tennessee Titans Darius Walker, RB, Notre Dame
112 New York Giants Brandon Frye, OT, Virginia Tech
113 St. Louis Rams Tarell Brown, CB, Texas
114 Carolina Panthers James Marten, OT, Boston College
115 Pittsburgh Steelers Zak DeOssie, LB, Brown
116 Seattle Seahawks Michael Johnson, S, Arizona
117 Atlanta Falcons Mansfield Wrotto, OG, Georgia Tech
118 Dallas Cowboys Brian Robison, DE/OLB, Texas
119 New Orleans Saints Ryan Smith, CB, Florida
120 San Francisco 49ers John Wendling, SS, Wyoming
121 Philadelphia Eagles Prescott Burgess, OLB, Michigan
122 New Orleans Saints Dallas Baker, WR, Florida
123 New England Patriots Doug Datish, OG, Ohio State
124 Tennessee Titans C.J. Gaddis, CB, Clemson
125 San Diego Chargers Mike Jones, OG, Iowa
126 Chicago Bears Kyle Young, C/OG, Fresno State
127 Indianapolis Colts Turk McBride, DT, Tennessee

Round 5

128 Oakland Raiders Rhema McKnight, WR, Notre Dame
129 Detroit Lions Joe Newton, TE, Oregon State
130 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Josh Gattis, SS, Wake Forest
131 Cleveland Browns A.J. Davis, CB, North Carolina State
132 Arizona Cardinals John Abbate, LB, Wake Forest
133 Washington Redskins Daniel Sepulveda, P, Baylor
134 Houston Texans Jay Alford, DT, Penn State
135 Detroit Lions Mkristo Bruce, DE, Washington State
136 Minnesota Vikings Courtney Taylor, WR, Auburn
137 San Francisco 49ers Paul Soliai, NT, Utah
138 St. Louis Rams Jordan Palmer, QB, UTEP
139 Atlanta Falcons Nick Folk, K, Arizona
140 Jacksonville Jaguars Allen Barbre, OT, Missouri Southern State
141 Cincinnati Bengals LeRoy Harris, OG, North Carolina State
142 Tennessee Titans John Beck, QB, BYU
143 New York Giants Gary Russell, RB, Minnesota
144 St. Louis Rams Dustin Fry, OG, Clemson
145 Carolina Panthers Brandon Myles, WR, West Virginia
146 Pittsburgh Steelers Joe Filani, WR, Texas Tech
147 Green Bay Packers Marvin White, FS, TCU
148 Denver Broncos Chase Johnson, OT, Wyoming
149 Dallas Cowboys Kevin Payne, SS, Louisiana-Monroe
150 Kansas City Chiefs Martez Milner, TE, Georgia
151 Seattle Seahawks Kenny Scott, CB, Georgia Tech
152 Philadelphia Eagles Kenneth Darby, RB, Alabama
153 New Orleans Saints DeAndre Jackson, CB, Iowa State
154 New York Jets Clark Harris, TE, Rutgers
155 Oakland Raiders LaRon McClain, FB, Alabama
156 Baltimore Ravens David Patterson, DE, Ohio State
157 San Diego Chargers Chris Davis, WR/KR, FSU
158 Chicago Bears Marvin Mitchell, ILB, Tennessee
159 Indianapolis Colts John Tally, CB, Duke

Round 6

160 Oakland Raiders Ola Dagunduro, DT, Nebraska
161 Detroit Lions David Clowney, WR, Virginia Tech
162 Cleveland Browns Stanley Doughty, NT, South Carolina
163 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Chase Pittman, DE, LSU
164 Washington Redskins C.J. Wilson, CB, Baylor
165 New England Patriots Dan Mozes, C, West Virginia
166 Miami Dolphins Baratka Atkins, DE, Miami
167 Minnesota Vikings Justin Warren, ILB, Texas A&M
168 Houston Texans Mike Otto, OT, Purdue
169 Buffalo Bills Stephen Nicholas, LB, South Florida
170 Atlanta Falcons Jonny Harline, TE, BYU
171 San Francisco 49ers Justin Hickman, OLB/DE, UCLA
172 Cincinnati Bengals Juwan Simpson, OLB, Alabama
173 Tennessee Titans Chris Denman, OT, Fresno State
174 New York Giants KaMichael Hall, OLB, Georgia Tech
175 St. Louis Rams Xzavia Jackson, DE, Missouri
176 Carolina Panthers Tim Shaw, OLB, Penn State
177 Pittsburgh Steelers Tyler Palko, QB, Pittsburgh
178 Green Bay Packers Derek Landri, DT/DE, Notre Dame
179 Jacksonville Jaguars Adam Podlesh, P, Maryland
180 Kansas City Chiefs Mario Henderson, OT, FSU
181 Kansas City Chiefs Michael Okwo, LB, Stanford
182 Seattle Seahawks Jason Snelling, FB, Virginia
183 Denver Broncos Julius Wilson, OT, UAB
184 New Orleans Saints Justin Medlock, K, UCLA
185 New York Jets Ryan Moore, WR, Miami
186 Philadelphia Eagles Keith Jackson, DT, Arkansas
187 New England Patriots David Ball, WR, New Hampshire
188 Baltimore Ravens Dan Santucci, OG, Notre Dame
189 Tennessee Titans Kevin McLee, OLB, West Virginia
190 Chicago Bears Jarrett Hicks, WR Texas Tech
191 Tennessee Titans Tony Franklin, S/CB, Virginia

Round 7

192 Oakland Raiders Quincy Black, OLB, New Mexico
193 New York Jets Dallas Sartz, OLB, USC
194 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Reggie Lewis, CB, Florida
195 Chicago Bears Larry Brown, DT, Oklahoma State
196 Washington Redskins Blair Phillips, MLB, Oregon
197 New England Patriots Matt Herian, TE, Nebraska
198 Miami Dolphins Rory Johnson, ILB, Ole Miss
199 Minnesota Vikings J.D. Nelson, SS, Oregon
200 Houston Texans Desmond Bishop, LB, California
201 Buffalo Bills Mike Walker, WR, Central Florida
202 Atlanta Falcons Corey Hilliard, OT, Oklahoma State
203 Cleveland Browns C.J. Ah You, DE, Oklahoma
204 Cincinnati Bengals Kasey Studdard, OG, Texas
205 Tennessee Titans Travarous Bain, CB, Hampton
206 New York Giants Steve Breaston, WR, Michigan
207 St. Louis Rams Antwan Barnes, LB, Florida International
208 Carolina Panthers Jesse Daniels, SS, LSU
209 Pittsburgh Steelers Reggie Ball, QB/WR/KR, Georgia Tech
210 Green Bay Packers Ryne Robinson, WR, Miami (OH)
211 Jacksonville Jaguars Zach Latimer, ILB, Oklahoma
212 Kansas City Chiefs Andrew Carnahan, OT, Arizona State
213 Kansas City Chiefs Cory Anderson, FB, Tennessee
214 Seattle Seahawks Kolby Smith, RB, Louisville
215 Denver Broncos Isiah Stanback, QB, Washington
216 Dallas Cowboys Chris Leak, QB, Florida
217 Dallas Cowboys Nate Harris, LB, Louisville
218 Philadelphia Eagles Uche Nwaneri, OG, Purdue
219 New England Patriots Garrett Wolfe, RB, Northern Illinois
220 Baltimore Ravens Thomas Clayton, RB, Kansas State
221 Tennessee Titans Chandler Williams, WR, Florida International
222 Chicago Bears Jared Zabransky, QB, Boise State
223 Tennessee Titans Chaz Williams, CB, Louisiana-Monroe

Matthew Jones
02-19-2007, 05:32 PM
Not a big fan of Meachem, I don't know about Rouse yet, but the rest of the draft was good for the Patriots. Love Patrick Willis.

lsantaoe
02-19-2007, 05:37 PM
Nice Falcons draft. Except Folk, I like Medlock a lot more and not so early either. I'm guessing you have Jimmy Williams moving to FS. Also, this would have to be with us signing some FA OL.

silky_johnson
02-19-2007, 05:37 PM
15 Pittsburgh Steelers Jarvis Moss, DE/OLB, Florida
46 Pittsburgh Steelers Michael Bush, RB, Louisville
77 Pittsburgh Steelers Marshal Yanda, OG, Iowa
115 Pittsburgh Steelers Zak DeOssie, LB, Brown
146 Pittsburgh Steelers Joe Filani, WR, Texas Tech
177 Pittsburgh Steelers Tyler Palko, QB, Pittsburgh
209 Pittsburgh Steelers Reggie Ball, QB/WR/KR, Georgia Tech

Eh, not one good value the entire draft. Doesn't fill many needs. I applaud you on the effort. But would give this Steelers mock a D.

Go_Eagles77
02-19-2007, 05:39 PM
If Stallworth re-signs than why would the eagles draft Gonzalez? I can see you put a lot of work into this so I won't give you a hard time over it.

ftbl88
02-19-2007, 05:43 PM
I would like it to happen, but I don't think Garcia will be an Eagle next year.

Ilike the Stallworth re-signing, and it is accurate too.

I think Clements will go to the Browns though, so you may want to change that.

Ilove the first round pick. It fills our major need, the only thing that would change that pick is if he was gone, or Patrick Willis would fall to 26, but that is probably not going to happen.

Bad 2nd rounder for the Eagles. I won't go crazy, but I know some Eagles fans that would have your head with this pick, especially considering you have us re-signing Stallworth. If we re-sign Stallworth, the Eagles will not draft a WR in any round. A DE would be a more possible pick here. I would say Brian Leonard as well, but you have him going early round two, which may be a little of a stretch, but it is possible.

Just thought I would keep you posted, if the Eagles re-sign Stallworth during free agency, it remains a fourth round that we lose.

I'll say that you are assuming Donte re-signs before FA to analyze this pick. The Eagles would draft an ILB if any LB in this draft. Anthony Waters would probably be a solid 3rd rounder for the Eagles, but injuries may scare off a few teams even more. He may be there in round four, but if not, a tall CB or a another ILB could be a possible pick here.

I like that you have us getting a bigger RB in the later rounds in case Leonard wouldn't be the pick. Another option would be Nate Illoa, but he could be around until the 6th. Good pick, though.

I don't know much about this guy. If he is a big, run-stuffing DT this is an OK pick. I think the Eagles will most likely go after a cheap one in FA though.

It was a good idea having the Eagles picking at least one O-linemen, but tackle is a bigger need, not guard, but at least you showed some understanding of how our FO works. This is an OK pick, but a tackle would be more likely.

This draft gets a C, a lot of points were lost with the Gonzales pick, but it could be a B/B+ if you fix the second round pick to a good DE.

This off-season overall though would be a B as it stands right now.

princefielder28
02-19-2007, 05:44 PM
Packers could use a LB instead of the 2nd DE/DT

Fresh
02-19-2007, 06:16 PM
Browns would not wait til round 6 to draft a dlineman, even if we did get one in FA. Otherwise, nice draft.

AZ9er
02-19-2007, 06:17 PM
23 Kansas City Chiefs Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU
54 Kansas City Chiefs Brandon Mebane, DT, California
84 Kansas City Chiefs David Irons, CB, Auburn
150 Kansas City Chiefs Martez Milner, TE, Georgia
180 Kansas City Chiefs Mario Henderson, OT, FSU
181 Kansas City Chiefs Michael Okwo, LB, Stanford
212 Kansas City Chiefs Andrew Carnahan, OT, Arizona State
213 Kansas City Chiefs Cory Anderson, FB, Tennessee

Def. improvements on Defense, Mebane and Irons address issues that need to be fixed now maybe. Okwo a solid late round defenseive pick. Love the late round use on the Linemen, Carnahan and Henderson are both ones that coule develop into regulars on sundays not this year maybe next. I like the fullback pick, help with blocking and maybe a couple carries.

PIck by Pick:
Jarrett- A-. Big receiver possession type that oculd get near 75 receptions rookie year and only more throughout his career.

Mebane- A+ he will start right away.

Irons- B we need some youth in the scondary, we addressed it the year before and always good to adress it esp with Irons who cold start in a year or two.

Milner C+ Always good to have a third tight end, just in case. Solid hands, needs some polishing could be a starter or at least someone to get about 15-20 receptions just another target. Also help in the blocking game, value of the the pic kat the time maybe cold have picked up a linebaccker or o-linemen.

mario henderson B-, value pick is solid, offensive linemen a need for sure. Big guy for sure, atheltic but not very fast for his size,. Very strong though so i like that, he often shows a killer demeanor.

okwo- B, the value of a pick this late with someone liek this is great would rather an ILB maybe but this will suffice.

Carnahan- A++++ tall, very strong atheltic guy could play guard or taclke. I think he needs to blulk up a lil more, but he is a force. i like him alot.

anderson C full back not bad would rather another wr here but i wouldnt mind this he can havea few rushes like he did earlier in his career, good for blocking protection and lead blocking

overall b/b+

i liked it

andyjo672
02-19-2007, 06:33 PM
How much do you hate the Vikings?

dazuck
02-19-2007, 06:33 PM
I like the Redskins' draft. But really, we all know they will make some free agency signings this year.

etk
02-19-2007, 06:34 PM
It's typical that the Bucs get no signing, but then you made us SKIP CJ!!! Thomas is great but we will never pass up CJ. Cleveland doesn't need him either so that wasn't very logical.

Paranoidmoonduck
02-19-2007, 06:41 PM
Not really sure why the Raiders would draft two defensive tackles after signing Sands to a big contract.

RaiderNation
02-19-2007, 06:42 PM
good pick up in lewis, bad draft

rather have...
1st CJ or AD. Moss will be gone and jordan might
2nd joe staley
3rd best DE or DT
4th good pick
5th joe newton and DT or DE, which ever one we dont pick in the 3rd
6th BPA
7th BPA

T-RICH49
02-19-2007, 06:45 PM
23 Kansas City Chiefs Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU
54 Kansas City Chiefs Brandon Mebane, DT, California
84 Kansas City Chiefs David Irons, CB, Auburn
150 Kansas City Chiefs Martez Milner, TE, Georgia
180 Kansas City Chiefs Mario Henderson, OT, FSU
181 Kansas City Chiefs Michael Okwo, LB, Stanford
212 Kansas City Chiefs Andrew Carnahan, OT, Arizona State
213 Kansas City Chiefs Cory Anderson, FB, Tennessee

Def. improvements on Defense, Mebane and Irons address issues that need to be fixed now maybe. Okwo a solid late round defenseive pick. Love the late round use on the Linemen, Carnahan and Henderson are both ones that coule develop into regulars on sundays not this year maybe next. I like the fullback pick, help with blocking and maybe a couple carries.

PIck by Pick:
Jarrett- A-. Big receiver possession type that oculd get near 75 receptions rookie year and only more throughout his career.

Mebane- A+ he will start right away.

Irons- B we need some youth in the scondary, we addressed it the year before and always good to adress it esp with Irons who cold start in a year or two.

Milner C+ Always good to have a third tight end, just in case. Solid hands, needs some polishing could be a starter or at least someone to get about 15-20 receptions just another target. Also help in the blocking game, value of the the pic kat the time maybe cold have picked up a linebaccker or o-linemen.

mario henderson B-, value pick is solid, offensive linemen a need for sure. Big guy for sure, atheltic but not very fast for his size,. Very strong though so i like that, he often shows a killer demeanor.

okwo- B, the value of a pick this late with someone liek this is great would rather an ILB maybe but this will suffice.

Carnahan- A++++ tall, very strong atheltic guy could play guard or taclke. I think he needs to blulk up a lil more, but he is a force. i like him alot.

anderson C full back not bad would rather another wr here but i wouldnt mind this he can havea few rushes like he did earlier in his career, good for blocking protection and lead blocking

overall b/b+

i liked it

you mean Bowe not Jarrett

MikitsuroNa
02-19-2007, 06:46 PM
If thats what happened with the Giants we could expect a 4-12 record. You have us picking up Ahman Green in FA and then we use a draft pick on RB in the 5th?

Why would we take two offensive lineman?

I would not draft a CB in the first round of this draft unless all the top LBs were gone and Revis fell to us. Change the first to Patrick Willis.

In the second I like the pick but if we chose Patrick Willis in the first then it would have to be changed to Arron Sears or Aaron Rouse.

The third round pick is perfect, no change needed.

I'm not sure why we would take an OT when we had taken Ramirez in the previous round. If we took a guard on day one we would slide Diehl to LT and let the rookie start. Change this pick to John Wendling, Dallas Baker, or Ryan Davis.

The fifth round selection is also very baffling, we took Ahman Green in FA to be a change of pace from Jacobs, why would we take a RB in the draft? Change this pick to Kenny Scott.

The sixth round choice is a good pick, but in my opinion Tim Shaw is much better then KaMichael Hall. Give us Shaw there.

The seventh is a great pick, no change needed.

So in the end the draft looks like
Rd.1- Patrick Willis LB Ole Miss
Rd.2- Aaron Rouse S Virginia Tech
Rd.3- Manuel Ramirez OG Texas Tech
Rd.4- Ryan Smith CB Florida
Rd.5- Kenny Scott CB Georgia Tech
Rd.6- Tim Shaw LB Penn State
Rd.7- Steve Breaston WR Michigan

miamichamp_305
02-19-2007, 06:49 PM
I love the Steinbech signing, even though Dielman would be nicer since he played for Cameron, but either one is great.

Our draft, I don't like at all.

Our 1st rounder is horrible, we don't need a QB, Pep is our starter and Cleo is our backup, if Pep sucks, then we can draft a guy next year and play Lemon for most if not all of 08, but BQ is just a horrible pick with all the needs we have. With Anderson, Adams, and Branch all of the board, the best thing to do there is trade down. Carolina would love a QB so a trade with them would work. Ginn probably won't be drafted that high, especially by the Rams who have no need for a QB with Bruce, Holt, and Curtis, Bruce and Holt might be getting old, but Holt has at least 3 more years in him and Bruce at least 2. But, since he is gone, Moss (even though his value right now isn't that high, it will be after the combine) would be the perfect fit there to play OLB, if not then maybe Hall. Our 2nd is ok, but not a need if we sign Steinbech. Shelton did a very good job at RG, and he is going to be there, he proved to us he can play well there, all we need to do is restructure his contract. You have Houston going one pick after us, so he would be our pick there, Houston is a beast. Our 3rd is good, considering you didn't have us taking a CB before, but with Houston being my pick in the 2nd, a trade down could be a possibility, or a reach for Crosby, Steve Smith, or Stucky. Harris would be my pick there to play OT. Our 4th is good, considering you didn't have us taking a WR before. Our 6th is good, I would love to take a home town guy in the draft. And our 7th HAS to be Leak/Ball/Stanback/Wolfe/Zabransky, those are 1st round talents right there, j/p. I think a LB is a good idea in the last round, I really don't care about that pick, but a FB or KR would be nice, so maybe a guy like Wolfe, Breaston, or Anderson. My mock for the Phins would be:

1st-TRADE DOWN: OLB Jarvis Moss
2nd- CB Chris Houston
3rd-TRADE DOWN: OT Ryan Harris
4th- WR Jacoby Jones
6th- DE Baratka Atkins
7th- RB Garrett Wolfe

AZ9er
02-19-2007, 06:51 PM
Yes thats what I meant lol, lots of spelling errors due to laziness.

jackalope
02-19-2007, 06:52 PM
real good packers draft . my only problem with it would be 2 D-linemen but it's not that big a deal. that's how i'm hoping the first two rounds go.

doingthisinsteadofwork
02-19-2007, 06:53 PM
wow poor Texans.
not a fan of the signing of Lewis.
CJ is much more likely here.
Raiders just signed Sands.
Doug Free at LT?no thank you.RT and C are the biggest needs on Oline.
I also dont get why the Bills would sign Jordan.mcGahee is better.

Doctorsacb
02-19-2007, 07:04 PM
Eh, not one good value the entire draft. Doesn't fill many needs. I applaud you on the effort. But would give this Steelers mock a D.

Jarvis Moss is a solid value in the mid 1st. Mike Bush is a steal in the mid 2nd. What needs exactly do the Steelers have? Only one I can maybe think of is some youth for the OL.

If Stallworth re-signs than why would the eagles draft Gonzalez?

I was going through the same thing but the Eagles are a team that always, always gets great value and Gonzalez that low is a steal. He gets picked in practically the 3rd round.

Packers could use a LB instead of the 2nd DE/DT

Even after drafting Hodge and Hawk last season and with all the holes on the DL?

Browns would not wait til round 6 to draft a dlineman, even if we did get one in FA. Otherwise, nice draft.

Point noted. I was looking for DL for them earlier but thats just kinda how things fell.

How much do you hate the Vikings?

Care to explain? They get two potentiall filled mid round WRs. A starting RT and Houston in round 2 which is a great pick.

I like the Redskins' draft. But really, we all know they will make some free agency signings this year.

I only noted 17 signings. Remember there is a million other players that will be out there and the Redskins likely won't be agressive as in past years.

It's typical that the Bucs get no signing, but then you made us SKIP CJ!!! Thomas is great but we will never pass up CJ. Cleveland doesn't need him either so that wasn't very logical.

Again, I only made 17 signings. Don't get your panties in a knot. There a million other people I haven't noted yet. I think the Bucs could very easily skip CJ to land Thomas. It's not totally outrageous if that was to happen. And I don't understand how you say Cleveland doesn't need him. Cleveland WRs are awful and even the Cleveland fan said he liked the draft.

Not really sure why the Raiders would draft two defensive tackles after signing Sands to a big contract.

Sapp is good for what,2 more years at most? Sands is a rotational guy. Thats really the only guys they can count on. It's not a reach for them to draft Pitcock who can help right away and then another late round guy to develop for when Sapp retires.

good pick up in lewis, bad draft

rather have...
1st CJ or AD. Moss will be gone and jordan might
2nd joe staley
3rd best DE or DT
4th good pick
5th joe newton and DT or DE, which ever one we dont pick in the 3rd
6th BPA
7th BPA

having CJ or AD over Russell is pointless to argue. Half the fans will like the Russell pick and half will hate it. I'm trying to make it accurate and you have to admit that Russell seems to be the leading man right now.
Basically if I switched my 2nd and 3rd round pick you'd be happier. That's being kinda nitpicky don't you think?

If thats what happened with the Giants we could expect a 4-12 record. You have us picking up Ahman Green in FA and then we use a draft pick on RB in the 5th?

What are the chances a 5th round RB makes much impact his 1st year? Not very big. Green gets a one year or two year deal for reasonable money and they Russell takes over in a year or two when he's more ready. It's not rocket science.

Why would we take two offensive lineman?

You need a OG after moving Diehl to LT hence the Ramirez pick. Plus you need backup LT help after the Whitfield retirement and Petitgout release. Again, not rocket science.

I would not draft a CB in the first round of this draft unless all the top LBs were gone and Revis fell to us. Change the first to Patrick Willis.

Willis is an ILB. You have Pierce. You'd need a guy like Timmons or Beason or Puz. Willis would be playing out of position. Why waste a 1st rounder on a guy you'd be playing out of position? CB is your next biggest need and Hall is a great value there.

So in the end the draft looks like
Rd.1- Patrick Willis LB Ole Miss
Rd.2- Aaron Rouse S Virginia Tech
Rd.3- Manuel Ramirez OG Texas Tech
Rd.4- Ryan Smith CB Florida
Rd.5- Kenny Scott CB Georgia Tech
Rd.6- Tim Shaw LB Penn State
Rd.7- Steve Breaston WR Michigan

My last mock looked something like that and I got blasted by Giants fans for not taking CB day 1. I'm no Giants fan but i'd like to hear from some others to see if they prefer my mock or what you have down. After talking to a few Giants fans, my gut says they will like mine more.

MikitsuroNa
02-19-2007, 07:10 PM
Willis is an ILB. You have Pierce. You'd need a guy like Timmons or Beason or Puz. Willis would be playing out of position. Why waste a 1st rounder on a guy you'd be playing out of position? CB is your next biggest need and Hall is a great value there.

I understand your thinking there but if you knew a bit more about Giants football you would understand my reasoning. Willis is a very versatile player, he would be best suited to ILB but he could definitely play outside easily. Another option for us is to slide Pierce to WLB which has been talked about a lot. Then Willis could start at ILB.

Doctorsacb
02-19-2007, 07:20 PM
Our 1st rounder is horrible, we don't need a QB, Pep is our starter and Cleo is our backup

Dude, I'm a huge Dolphins fan. Don't even get me started on this. Cpep hasn't played in two seasons and even before that he was playing awful. Lemonhas never been more then a thrid stringer. Any Dolphins fans that would be comfortable going into the season with that is not truly a Dolphins fan. We've had horrible QB play for years and need to finally take a guy for the future.

With Anderson, Adams, and Branch all of the board, the best thing to do there is trade down.

Do you see a single trade down at all in my entire draft? Didn't think so. Why bring up something that I didn't even address and would be crazy to predict at this point.

Our 2nd is ok, but not a need if we sign Steinbech.

Steinbach is being look at around the league as a potential solid starting NFL LT. I think he can be a John Tait type player. Steinbach moves to LT and Blalock takes over LG.

Harris would be my pick there to play OT.

This guy has looked awful in every offseason workout and has problems keeping on his weight. He can barely crack 290. I would never waste a Day 1 pick on that guy. I don't think you've done your homework because hes considered one of the most overrated players in the draft.

the Rams who have no need for a QB with Bruce, Holt, and Curtis

Curtis is a FA and likely gone. Bruce has really declined lately. There have already been numerous reports out of St. Louis that the Rams are looking hard at Ginn and Ginn is the fast playmaker Linehan loves. He could easily be the pick for them.

1st-TRADE DOWN: OLB Jarvis Moss
2nd- CB Chris Houston
3rd-TRADE DOWN: OT Ryan Harris
4th- WR Jacoby Jones
6th- DE Baratka Atkins
7th- RB Garrett Wolfe

As a Dolphins fan, if I saw this as our draft. I'd hunt down, Cameron, Mueller and Wayne H. and put a bullet in each of them.

wow poor Texans.

Any team that can land Peterson and Rice in the 1st two rounds is doing ok so poor nothing.

CJ is much more likely here.

Lets not start this again. Reports are saying Russell is the more likely pick. We've already been over this. I'm sorry you personally like CJ better but that doesn't mean Russell is a bad pick.

Raiders just signed Sands.

Stop the presses. The Raiders are going to the Superbowl. They just resigned a situational guy that was one their team last season to begin with.

Doug Free at LT?no thank you.RT and C are the biggest needs on Oline.

Free is listed as a LT because he played that in college. He could easily play RT in the pros and it probably better off on that side anyways. Besides after last season, every spot on the Raiders line should be up for grabs.

I also dont get why the Bills would sign Jordan.mcGahee is better.

After seeing Jordan kinda fizzle out in Oakland, no team is going to sign him to the the main guy. McGahee is still the starter in Oakland but Jordan can keep him fresh and Jordan is amazing as a pass catcher out of the backfield which is what McGahee can't do.

josh07039
02-19-2007, 07:20 PM
I love the Jets draft.

Doctorsacb
02-19-2007, 07:26 PM
understand your thinking there but if you knew a bit more about Giants football you would understand my reasoning. Willis is a very versatile player, he would be best suited to ILB but he could definitely play outside easily. Another option for us is to slide Pierce to WLB which has been talked about a lot. Then Willis could start at ILB.

There is also alot of talk the Wilkinson will get a starting spot this season. Do you really think the Giants will be in bad shape with Pierce at MLB. Everett and Wilkinson fighting with guys like Demorrio Williams, and Ben Taylor fighting it out for the two OLB spots? I dont think that is such a bad situation. Besides Hall is the better value anyways.

MikitsuroNa
02-19-2007, 07:31 PM
There is also alot of talk the Wilkinson will get a starting spot this season. Do you really think the Giants will be in bad shape with Pierce at MLB. Everett and Wilkinson fighting with guys like Demorrio Williams, and Ben Taylor fighting it out for the two OLB spots? I dont think that is such a bad situation. Besides Hall is the better value anyways.

Demorrio Williams? When did we get him.. ? Wilkinson is a great player, no doubt I think he should have a shot at the starting role, if we switched Pierce to outside and used Willis on the inside there is still another spot for Wilkinson.

The Unseen
02-19-2007, 07:34 PM
Great Jags draft.

Doctorsacb
02-19-2007, 07:36 PM
Demorrio Williams? When did we get him.. ? Wilkinson is a great player, no doubt I think he should have a shot at the starting role, if we switched Pierce to outside and used Willis on the inside there is still another spot for Wilkinson.

You didnt get Demorrio Williams. I was saying guys like Demorrio Willaims and Ben Taylor are likely targets for the Giants so those are the types of guys you can expect to be competing in camp.

Why would you want to move your Pro Bowl LB to another spot where he is out of position just to get draft another player that would be playing out of position? Come on, how much sense does that make? Why not just keep Pierce where he is at his best and get other guys to play OLB instead of playing guys out of position.

DeangeloHall4President
02-19-2007, 07:41 PM
The 3rd round is a little high for the Saints to be picking for a backup QB behind Brees, we will probably still be looking to shore up the Defense. If we draft a backup we would be looking 5th round or later

miamichamp_305
02-19-2007, 07:44 PM
You'd kill them if you saw that draft. Dude, did you watch last season? Did you look at last years draft? Last you we took a LT by the name of Toledo, and we also have a LT named Alabi, we don't need to start moving o-linemen out of position to see if it works, Steinbech is good at LG, leave him there. And did someone watch the 05 season? Besides, Blalock is a RG not a LG. And did you watch the 05 season? Who did Pep have to throw to? A bust 1st rounder and a bunch of other crap. Last year, he played injured, and still played a lot better than Joey. And did you not see the 1 and 1/2 games Cleo played, he played pretty well, numbers might not show that, but he is a good #2 who could come in and play a couple of games, that is why we traded Feeley AND a pick for him a couple of years ago, Marty was pissed when Cleo left, he really liked him, and Saban liked him too, getting Cleo was probably one of the few good things Saban did. QB is not even a need in the whole draft, maybe one as a 3rd stringer, but that is it. And why would you kill Wayne? You sound like you don't watch college football or the Phins. One of our needs is CB, we were so inconsistent there and we had like 7 INT's all year. Our only 2 good LB's last year were Crowder and Thomas, everyone else we tried in our 3-4 sucked, especially Spragan, he just needs to go. We could use another WR because we might not have either Welker or Booker next year, and Welker wasn't good AT ALL as a KR. There is a reason Harris is even in the draft, it is because he can play LT, and he is a good insurance policy incase Alabi or Toldeo don't succed, and he can easily put on a couple of pounds, enough to get over 300, heck, as we speak he probably already is. The draft I posted isn't the best in the world, and I would love for it to turn out different, but it is A LOT more realistic then your mock, plus it actually fills our needs. The only need you fill is CB and that is with an undersized guy when we could easily have a great CB in Houston that some say could be the best CB in this class. I can't wait untill draft day just to see all the Phins fans faces (well most of them besides the few like guru and me who believe we have no need for a QB) when we don't pick BQ and he falls to us. Cam has said it, he is impressed with both Cleo and Pep.

TNewFan41
02-19-2007, 07:48 PM
Great boys draft... i think medlock would be a better selection...and we might hold off kicker needs till day 2 since gramatica played good last year for us. I think this Deserves an A+ :D

Doctorsacb
02-19-2007, 08:36 PM
Dude, did you watch last season? Did you look at last years draft? Last you we took a LT by the name of Toledo

Oh yea, I remember the 4th round draft pick that didn't play a snap all season and has never played more then one year of OL ever because he was a TE for most of college. I like the guy but he is a project player and you can't trust him at LT yet. Plus the fact he was playing RG for us during camp last season.

we also have a LT named Alabi, we don't need to start moving o-linemen out of position to see if it works

Alabi for his entire career has been a backup RT to Vernon Carey. He has some potential to play LT but he was a low round draft choice with limited NFL exposure. How about we let him start a game before we move him to the most important position on the line.

Steinbech is good at LG, leave him there.

If you can't see that Steinbach has the the most talent of anyone of our line and that he could potentially hold down our LT spot for the next 6-7 years then I dunno why I'm even bothering to have this conversation with you.

Besides, Blalock is a RG not a LG.

Is that a serious statement? Vernon Carey was a RG in college and he's our RT in the NFL. Shelton was a OT in college and was our RG last season. Hadnot played OG in college and has played C in the NFL. Having Blalock move from RG to LG is such a minor adjustment that it's not even worth discussing. NFL players shift OL positions all the time. It's not a big deal.

Who did Pep have to throw to? A bust 1st rounder and a bunch of other crap.

The same people that Gus Frerotte had last season and Frerotte was solid. Peps problem was not his WRs. It was him. That was clear if you watched the game. By the way. Miami doesn't have any 1st round busts at WR. In fact they don't have a single 1st round player at WR. At least get your facts right.

Last year, he played injured, and still played a lot better than Joey.

Dude, did you watch last season? Culpepper has slightly better stats but if you watched the games, it was clear Harrington was playing better. Culpper had 3 fumbles in 4 games and 3 picks and 21 sacks (most of which were his fault for holding the ball way too long). The offense never got into a rhythem under Culpepper. Harrington of the other hand did play well at times and get the offense moving at times. He made the occasion bonehead play and he did have slumps but he least he would have his moments were the offense would start moving. Culpepper couldn't even get the offense to move. The fact that you even think Culpepper outplayed anyone makes me wonder if you even watched the season.

And did you not see the 1 and 1/2 games Cleo played, he played pretty well, numbers might not show that, but he is a good #2 who could come in and play a couple of games

And I agree with that. Doesn't change the fact that it's not smart to go into the season with a career thrid stringer as your only healthy, dependable option.

And why would you kill Wayne?

Have you not seen the product he has been putting on the field the last 5 years? Everything starts at the top.

You sound like you don't watch college football or the Phins. One of our needs is CB, we were so inconsistent there and we had like 7 INT's all year.

I address that need in round 3 with Bennett. We have needs everywhere. We could have 5 1st round picks and still not address all ours needs.

Our only 2 good LB's last year were Crowder and Thomas, everyone else we tried in our 3-4 sucked, especially Spragan, he just needs to go.

See above. Listen dude, we have needs at NT, OLB, CB, OT, OG, QB, WR. You can't fix everything in one draft.

We could use another WR because we might not have either Welker or Booker next year, and Welker wasn't good AT ALL as a KR.

Welker is pretty much a lock to return because he is an RFA. Booker could be cut or traded. And I did address WR with Jacoby Jones in the 4th.
Saying Welker isn't a good KR is moronic. Is he a gambreaker? No Way in hell. He is however dependable and solid and you could do much worse. Even the SB champ Colts would love to have a guy like Welker.

There is a reason Harris is even in the draft, it is because he can play LT, and he is a good insurance policy incase Alabi or Toldeo don't succed, and he can easily put on a couple of pounds, enough to get over 300, heck, as we speak he probably already is

So you bash me because you say Blalock is a RG and not a LG but you say Harris can play LT when he played RT his entire college career? ND even started a true freshman at LT instead of him last season. Obviously you have not seen the guy or read anything about him if you think he can get over 300 pounds. Even when he does put on weight he struggles to keep it on and he is a very inconsistent player. He has not done one single thing to impress scouts on the field ever since the season ended.

Cam has said it, he is impressed with both Cleo and Pep.

Where are you from? Do you live in Miami? Have you read the Miami papers? Cam has said he loves Cleo and thinks he can play in this league but the talk of the town was how Cam failed to endorse Culpepper. In fact he said he respects what Culpepper has done in this league that that he wanted to see Culpepper on his own before making any comments about him. Cam said he was impressed with what Culpepper has done in the NFL not with what he brings to the table for the Dolphins. On the other hand, he did say he thought Lemon could be a solid player in the future for the Dolphins.

The only need you fill is CB and that is with an undersized guy when we could easily have a great CB in Houston that some say could be the best CB in this class.

Dude, WTF are you talking about. How can you question me saying I have seen the season when you statements are completely wrong. Bennett is not undersized. He's 6'1 and 200 pounds. Hes huge for a CB. Houston is the one that is undersized at 5'11 and 185. Plus Houston is seen as a hit or miss type guy. Some think he could go low 1st, some think he can slip all the way to the third. I can't believe you have the nerve to say I down sound like I watch football when don't even know the size of the players. How can you tell me I'm the one that doesn't know what Im talking about when your the one making completely false statements about the players?

I can't wait untill draft day just to see all the Phins fans faces (well most of them besides the few like guru and me who believe we have no need for a QB) when we don't pick BQ and he falls to us.

You sound like a great Dolphins fan. 1st you pretty much admit that you are in the minority compared to what other Fans think and then you say you will take delight if fans don't get what they think should happen.

it is A LOT more realistic then your mock, plus it actually fills our needs.

Trying to make any mock at this point and think it is realistic is hard enough. Trying to predict trades this early in the game and claiming it to be realistic is just plain stupid. Fills our needs. Plus is fills our needs. Shut up. You could pick names out of a hat and it would fill our needs. I got a WR which is a need. I got a CB which is a need. I got a OL which is a need. I get an ILB to groom which is a need. I got a young DE to groom which is a need. and I got a QB for the future which weather you want to believe it or not, is a need. The need need I didn't address was OLB and excuses me for missing one need on a team that only had 6 wins.

Caddy
02-19-2007, 08:40 PM
I applaude the effort and don't mind the Bucs draft

Doctorsacb
02-19-2007, 08:50 PM
I applaude the effort and don't mind the Bucs draft

Thanks!

PalmerToCJ
02-19-2007, 10:49 PM
Good Bengals 1st. Round 2 we're more likely to go Fred Bennett via Wrights off field issues.

Round 4 I'd rather see Darius Walker.

Good 5th rounder.

6th I think JD Nelson or another saftey would be more likely.

7th if there is a PR left that would be sweet.

Not bad though, well done.

BillsFan1991
02-19-2007, 10:59 PM
49ers:
Not bad except give them Desmond Bishop over the LB from UGA and there is no need for Pittman in the 3rd. Put a CB in his place.

50
02-19-2007, 11:00 PM
only 2 centers for the bears, I heard they were looking at taking at least 3 centers for next years superbowl run. good call

Doctorsacb
02-19-2007, 11:11 PM
only 2 centers for the bears, I heard they were looking at taking at least 3 centers for next years superbowl run. good call

Wow, look at the jackass with 5 posts to his credit and probably never made a mock in his life making big boy insults. Dude, do you watch football? I swear somebody sees a player listed as C and thinks he has to play C. Antwan Randle-El was a QB in college and he made a pretty good WR don't you think. Kalil can easily move to OG and Young has the potential to play anywhere on the line. How about doing a little research before starting insults.

Round 2 we're more likely to go Fred Bennett via Wrights off field issues.

Didn't realize he has off the field issues until you mentioned it. Good call. Although he hasn't had any trouble since his freshman year and even then nothing ever came of those charges. I'll agree tho even that might be too much for the Bengals to touch.

Round 4 I'd rather see Darius Walker.

Ahead of Antonio Johnson? DT is such a bigger need with Rudy and Perry on the roster.

no need for Pittman in the 3rd. Put a CB in his place.

Oh thats right, I forgot Frank Gore didn't have 2 major Knee surguries on both knee at the U. And I forgot the Niners have been hesitant to give him a big deal because of those knee surguries. And I forgot that they've made comments about keeping Gore more fresh so that his knees dont wear down. Your right tho. There's no need at RB.

A-Dub4President
02-19-2007, 11:17 PM
As for the Cards mock:

Free Agency: Cards have the third most cap room and sign nobody!? C'mon.

Round One: Good pick.

Round Two: Good pick.

Round Three: Good pick.

Round Four: Don't like the pick. If we get a back, we need a speedster to compliment Edge. Give us Michael Johnson here.

Round Five: Bad pick. ILB is not a need. Mkristo Bruce would be a good pick.

Round Seven: New England only has our sixth rounder. Give us Corey Anderson here.

Pacaveli
02-19-2007, 11:24 PM
I really like the Panthers and the Texans drafts.

PalmerToCJ
02-19-2007, 11:29 PM
As far as the Wright pick goes you were dead-on in terms of him being a fit/match... I didn't know about the off field stuff until recently either.

Perry is injured constantly and Marvin Lewis was looking at Lorenzo Booker/Tony Hunt in Mobile and mentioned that we had to find a reliable #2 RB. If we went Dline I'd rather see Mkristo Bruce for his versatility. As I said though solid Bengals draft given how many rounds you did.

Doctorsacb
02-19-2007, 11:38 PM
Free Agency: Cards have the third most cap room and sign nobody!? C'mon.

Everyone bitchin and moaning about their team not getting a FA is getting really annoying. I only did about 15 FAs. Come on guys. Here's the list of FAs for this season. http://www.theredzone.org/2007/freeagents/

Theres a couple hundred FAs. I named about 15. So please stop complaining. Im sure your team will sign some guys. Sorry if its not one of the few I included.

Round Five: Bad pick. ILB is not a need. Mkristo Bruce would be a good pick.

He's a 5th rounder. Chances are he will he on special teams forever anyways. Most teams are going BPA at that point.

Round Seven: New England only has our sixth rounder. Give us Corey Anderson here.

I got this from another draft site which had this listed as the current official draft order. Im sticking with what they had.

thebow305
02-20-2007, 12:37 AM
Our 1st rounder is horrible, we don't need a QB, Pep is our starter and Cleo is our backup

Dude, I'm a huge Dolphins fan. Don't even get me started on this. Cpep hasn't played in two seasons and even before that he was playing awful. Lemonhas never been more then a thrid stringer. Any Dolphins fans that would be comfortable going into the season with that is not truly a Dolphins fan. We've had horrible QB play for years and need to finally take a guy for the future.

With Anderson, Adams, and Branch all of the board, the best thing to do there is trade down.

Do you see a single trade down at all in my entire draft? Didn't think so. Why bring up something that I didn't even address and would be crazy to predict at this point.

Our 2nd is ok, but not a need if we sign Steinbech.

Steinbach is being look at around the league as a potential solid starting NFL LT. I think he can be a John Tait type player. Steinbach moves to LT and Blalock takes over LG.

Harris would be my pick there to play OT.

This guy has looked awful in every offseason workout and has problems keeping on his weight. He can barely crack 290. I would never waste a Day 1 pick on that guy. I don't think you've done your homework because hes considered one of the most overrated players in the draft.

the Rams who have no need for a QB with Bruce, Holt, and Curtis

Curtis is a FA and likely gone. Bruce has really declined lately. There have already been numerous reports out of St. Louis that the Rams are looking hard at Ginn and Ginn is the fast playmaker Linehan loves. He could easily be the pick for them.

1st-TRADE DOWN: OLB Jarvis Moss
2nd- CB Chris Houston
3rd-TRADE DOWN: OT Ryan Harris
4th- WR Jacoby Jones
6th- DE Baratka Atkins
7th- RB Garrett Wolfe

As a Dolphins fan, if I saw this as our draft. I'd hunt down, Cameron, Mueller and Wayne H. and put a bullet in each of them.

wow poor Texans.

Any team that can land Peterson and Rice in the 1st two rounds is doing ok so poor nothing.

CJ is much more likely here.

Lets not start this again. Reports are saying Russell is the more likely pick. We've already been over this. I'm sorry you personally like CJ better but that doesn't mean Russell is a bad pick.

Raiders just signed Sands.

Stop the presses. The Raiders are going to the Superbowl. They just resigned a situational guy that was one their team last season to begin with.

Doug Free at LT?no thank you.RT and C are the biggest needs on Oline.

Free is listed as a LT because he played that in college. He could easily play RT in the pros and it probably better off on that side anyways. Besides after last season, every spot on the Raiders line should be up for grabs.

I also dont get why the Bills would sign Jordan.mcGahee is better.

After seeing Jordan kinda fizzle out in Oakland, no team is going to sign him to the the main guy. McGahee is still the starter in Oakland but Jordan can keep him fresh and Jordan is amazing as a pass catcher out of the backfield which is what McGahee can't do.

I agree totally with all your reasonings for the Dolphins picks.... especially Harris.... if a Dolphins fan thinks Harris is a good pick for us, he truly is not a Dolphins fan, he probably doesn't even watch football. This would be my guess. Harris is a monumental underachiever as well as a terrible fit for our big O-line. But I do think that Jarvis Moss is a great pick if we trade down as well as Wolfe in the 7th is good because Travis Minor and Sammy Morris just don't cut it anymore, and we never know what will happen with Ricky. Decent mock overall but we will never sign Stallworth, we are way too cheap for that! We are way too cheap for Dielman or Steinback especially as well. We will probably end up going the cheaper smaller route with someone along the lines of a Cosey Coleman, a little more under the radar, but he did play with Cameron and Houck in San Diego, so look for him in Mia next year.

Doctorsacb
02-20-2007, 12:58 AM
I agree totally with all your reasonings for the Dolphins picks.... especially Harris.... if a Dolphins fan thinks Harris is a good pick for us, he truly is not a Dolphins fan, he probably doesn't even watch football.

Thank God!! Some common sense!!

I do think that Jarvis Moss is a great pick if we trade down as well as Wolfe in the 7th is good because Travis Minor and Sammy Morris just don't cut it anymore, and we never know what will happen with Ricky.

Listen, I like Jarvis Moss and would not mind having him at all. That is saying alot because I go to FSU and absolutely hate the Gators with all my heart. However, when you have a chance to land what could be the best prospect in the entire with the 9th pick, you don't trade down for Jarvis Moss. Especially with a situation at QB that is questionable at best for us.I wouldn't mind Wolfe in the 7th but is he really any better then Cobbs at this point? I dont think so. Saying Minor doesn't cut it anymore is simply false. He has never been a Rb you can count on but he has a good niche with us as a Special Teamer and is one of the best in the NFL at that. I would like to have him back for that reason alone. Special Teams are one third of the game.

Decent mock overall but we will never sign Stallworth

Agreed, especially with Cam Cameron as HC. Chris Chambers is already the best WR he's ever had. He will never go waste money on Stallworth.

We are way too cheap for Dielman or Steinback especially as well.

I don't know that I would call us cheap. We gave Culpepper a nice deal last season and were ready to hand Brees a nice contract. The problem is that we've never had a good cap situation. This season isn't as bad so you will likely see a little more spending. I could definately see us landing a guy like Steinbach. He is a solid player and if he successfully takes to LT which many expect he will, then he will be a reasonably priced player.

We will probably end up going the cheaper smaller route with someone along the lines of a Cosey Coleman, a little more under the radar, but he did play with Cameron and Houck in San Diego, so look for him in Mia next year.

Have to disagree with that. Coleman is really not any better then Jeno James and will likely command a similar deal given the market for OGs. I think we would just keep James then to go sign Coleman. And by the way. Coleman did not play with Cameron and Houck and has never played in San Diego. He has onyl ever played with the Bucs and Browns. I don't know that I would consider anyone from the Browns line an upgrade over ours.

doingthisinsteadofwork
02-20-2007, 01:03 AM
wow poor Texans.

Any team that can land Peterson and Rice in the 1st two rounds is doing ok so poor nothing.

CJ is much more likely here.

Lets not start this again. Reports are saying Russell is the more likely pick. We've already been over this. I'm sorry you personally like CJ better but that doesn't mean Russell is a bad pick.

Raiders just signed Sands.

Stop the presses. The Raiders are going to the Superbowl. They just resigned a situational guy that was one their team last season to begin with.

Doug Free at LT?no thank you.RT and C are the biggest needs on Oline.

Free is listed as a LT because he played that in college. He could easily play RT in the pros and it probably better off on that side anyways. Besides after last season, every spot on the Raiders line should be up for grabs.


the media says alot of things.
nah Boothe has RG pretty much locked up.
the Raiders did not pay Sands cheap and he will most likely be the starter at NT next year.
as for the Texans I was merely refering to how they signed Plummer in your mock.

Doctorsacb
02-20-2007, 01:15 AM
the media says alot of things.

I told you. I'm not gonna get into this. You just need to find an excuse to not pick Russell. Listen I'm sorry you don't like the guy. However, that doesn't change the fact that right now he is the leading candidate to get picked number 1.

nah Boothe has RG pretty much locked up.

Doesnt mean the Raider will not bring in competition. Dude your team went 2-14. Get that throught your head. There's only about 6 or 7 players on the entire team that has anything locked up and most of the spots are going to be open to competition by the new coach.


the Raiders did not pay Sands cheap and he will most likely be the starter at NT next year.

It's the year after a CBA was signed. Historically spending goes up during those years. Sands is still better suited as a situational guy and the Raiders need help with the DL rotation even if Sands does start. It's rediculous. The Raiders could land Adrain Peterson, Gaines Adams, JaMarcus Russell, Alan Branch and Joe Thomas and I bet you will see some of thier fans bitching and moaning because they didn't get Calvin Johnson.

as for the Texans I was merely refering to how they signed Plummer in your mock.

One signing that you don't like makes you ignore the fact they had one of the best drafts in the mock by getting Peterson, Rice, and Smith in the 1st three rounds?

PeterWarrick9
02-20-2007, 01:24 AM
Greatest Jets draft I've seen. But give them Steinbach or Dielman in Free Agency...
*thumbs up*

bucknut12
02-20-2007, 11:42 AM
The 3rd round is a little high for the Saints to be picking for a backup QB behind Brees, we will probably still be looking to shore up the Defense. If we draft a backup we would be looking 5th round or laterAre you kidding?

That was a perfect Saints draft.

It would suck if everything in your signature happened...

Mock draft of the year!

Dillen
02-20-2007, 11:55 AM
You have the Eagles re-signing Stallworth and then taking a WR in the 2nd round. Awful.


The only good pick is Griffin and Jackson.

Gonzalez I already said. Burgess is meh. There is no point for the Eagles to draft another small RB, and they sure as hell dont need any more late round OL.

jackson34
02-20-2007, 11:59 AM
that has to be the best browns draft i have seen posted.
johnson a beast, whether the browns have other needs before him or not.
staley would be perfect in the 2nd, the only problem that I may have is taking siler if alexander is still available. if alexander isnt there than that is a good pick, but overall a great job. i have to thankyou for not giving the browns branch, quinn or ap in the first like everyone else posting mocks.

GermanSaint
02-20-2007, 12:11 PM
The 3rd round is a little high for the Saints to be picking for a backup QB behind Brees, we will probably still be looking to shore up the Defense. If we draft a backup we would be looking 5th round or laterAre you kidding?

That was a perfect Saints draft.

It would suck if everything in your signature happened...

Mock draft of the year!

YOU are kidding , right ?

LB51
02-20-2007, 12:35 PM
Giants don't want ahman green, he's old and will retire soon, makes no sense. Give us lorenzo booker in the third and Tarell Brown in 4th, in the fifth Marvin White, 6th Santucci, and 7th Clayton, 1st and 2nd are really good

silky_johnson
02-20-2007, 12:58 PM
Jarvis Moss is a solid value in the mid 1st. Mike Bush is a steal in the mid 2nd. What needs exactly do the Steelers have? Only one I can maybe think of is some youth for the OL.

15 Pittsburgh Steelers Jarvis Moss, DE/OLB, Florida

We tried this before. He's Alonzo Jackson minus the College productivity. For a guy that rushes the passer and is always going into the backfield he should basically of doubled both TFL and sacks to be worth this pick.

46 Pittsburgh Steelers Michael Bush, RB, Louisville

You must have him ranked higher than almost everyone. A RB that was hurt all of 2006 and then had his FB do a really good job in replacing him. Showing maybe the system is the reason Shelton, Bush and even Kolby Smith run so well in it.

77 Pittsburgh Steelers Marshal Yanda, OG, Iowa

Faneca, Simmons, Kemo, and Colon. We are kinda back logged at guard so Yanda better be able to play tackle.

115 Pittsburgh Steelers Zak DeOssie, LB, Brown

Okay, feeling this pick. Probably earlier than he will go. But I like Ivy League players. They have brains and will work their butts off knowing playing football is a lot better way to earn a paycheck than whatever they end up doing in the future. Good pick.

146 Pittsburgh Steelers Joe Filani, WR, Texas Tech

The Steelers are pretty deep at WR. Ward, Holmes, Washington are pretty well set at our top three. If we release Wilson we still have last years third round pick Willie Reed for #4. Also if you notice the Steelers seem to be going with the quicker smaller WR system. Filani has some nice production numbers but in a pass happy offense. And from what I read he's going to run slower than a white guy with a club foot.

177 Pittsburgh Steelers Tyler Palko, QB, Pittsburgh

With Charlie Batch still on the team we seem set at QB. We'll bring in some UDFA's to fight for the PS #3 spot since we seem to go with only 2 QB's on the roster.

209 Pittsburgh Steelers Reggie Ball, QB/WR/KR, Georgia Tech

I could see this happening. Us bringing in an athlete that can play several positions.

But to mock your mock this is how I'd like to pick.

RD1- Lawrence Timmons LB FSU
I'd try to trade down since there's not a lot I like here. But Timmons can play ILB in the 3-4 and OLB in the 4-3 which I expect Tomlin to run some of next year.

RD2- Aaron Sears OT Tennessee
He can play guard and tackle. Will push for RT position with Starks and Essex. Helluva good value here.

RD3- Doug Datish OC Ohio St.
Maybe a little early for him but Jeff Hartings left a huge hole in the middle of that line and Datish has the feet and ability to hopefully fill it.

RD4- Jay Alford DE PSU
Just a monster when it comes to be disruptive. Can play DE in the 3-4 and DT in the 4-3.

RD5- Justin Hickman DE/OLB UCLA
Can play 3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE. It was hard to choose between Stephen Nicholas and Hickman but since I already took Timmons a 4-3 DE was more of a need.

RD6- Tyrone Moss RB Miami
Frank Gore wasn't even the man in College and he ended up leading the NFC in rushing. Moss took a step back after looking like he was going to have a break out year. Ended in career lows 4.3 ypc, 285 yds, with only 66 carries. A late second day risk on a power back to compliment Willie.

RD7- Syvelle Newton WR/QB/S North Carolina
Player QB, WR, RB, and S in College. Even returned some kicks. Hopefully we can find a place for him.

Doctorsacb
02-20-2007, 01:53 PM
46 Pittsburgh Steelers Michael Bush, RB, Louisville

You must have him ranked higher than almost everyone. A RB that was hurt all of 2006 and then had his FB do a really good job in replacing him. Showing maybe the system is the reason Shelton, Bush and even Kolby Smith run so well in it.

Some people have Bush with a low 1st round grade. Peterson missed all last season and is going maybe top 5 and for sure top 10. Bush is without a doubt the 3rd best back in the draft and a mid 2nd round pick on him is a solid value.

77 Pittsburgh Steelers Marshal Yanda, OG, Iowa

Faneca, Simmons, Kemo, and Colon. We are kinda back logged at guard so Yanda better be able to play tackle.

Yanda is a project player that will not see the field for a few years but has some of the best upside in the draft. Some think he can move to RT in the future because of his size.

146 Pittsburgh Steelers Joe Filani, WR, Texas Tech

The Steelers are pretty deep at WR. Ward, Holmes, Washington are pretty well set at our top three. If we release Wilson we still have last years third round pick Willie Reed for #4. Also if you notice the Steelers seem to be going with the quicker smaller WR system. Filani has some nice production numbers but in a pass happy offense. And from what I read he's going to run slower than a white guy with a club foot.

Dude, I'm not gonna pretend I know a ton about this steelers but there are certain things I read and I know without a doubt that they are looking at taking a taller WR because they miss having someone that can go up and get it in the redzone like Plax used to do. There's even talk about them taking a Day 1 WR to help in that area and I've seen Dwayne Jarrett mentioned on some Steeler message boards.

I hate to come across as an asshole but I'm going to rip apart the reasonings for the next three picks because you are completely wrong in your analysis of them.

RD1- Lawrence Timmons LB FSU
I'd try to trade down since there's not a lot I like here. But Timmons can play ILB in the 3-4 and OLB in the 4-3 which I expect Tomlin to run some of next year.

Timmons cannot play ILB in a 3-4. He doesn't have that kinda of skill set. He is a pass rushing OLB and is pretty average in coverage at best. He can play OLB in the 3-4 because he has good size and makes alot of plays in the backfield.

RD2- Aaron Sears OT Tennessee
He can play guard and tackle. Will push for RT position with Starks and Essex. Helluva good value here.

Sears shined at the senior bowl as a OG. Most NFL people are looking at him as strictly a OG now and think he is one of the best in the draft at that spot. If your looking for a RT, Sears is not the way to go.

RD3- Doug Datish OC Ohio St.
Maybe a little early for him but Jeff Hartings left a huge hole in the middle of that line and Datish has the feet and ability to hopefully fill it.

Datish has a huge body and is experienced at all line positions but he might be too big to handle C in the NFL and might be better off moving outside.

RD6- Tyrone Moss RB Miami
Frank Gore wasn't even the man in College and he ended up leading the NFC in rushing. Moss took a step back after looking like he was going to have a break out year. Ended in career lows 4.3 ypc, 285 yds, with only 66 carries. A late second day risk on a power back to compliment Willie.

Frank Gore was the man in college. I live and breathe Miami Hurricane football so I know your dead wrong on this one. Gore was a starter since he came to Miami and was ahead of Willis McGahee until Gore went down with his 1st injury. Gore then returned and started ahead of Moss until Gore's second injury, and then when Gore returned for the last little bit of his career at the U, he was still the man ahead of every other RB on the team. Moss shouldn't even be drafted. He has never been a good back. We've had scrubs like Charlie Jones steal playing time from Moss. He runs into the back of offensive linemen and has awful field vision. Have you ever heard the phrase, "three yards and a could of dust"? Well with Moss you get negative yards and a could of dust. The only reason he had decent rushing numbers during his 1st few seasons is because we are Miami and were able to manhandle most teams. When our play slipped last season, his production slipped and we played true freshmen that clearly outshined him. He also has off the field issues and as suspended a few games by us.

silky_johnson
02-21-2007, 01:14 PM
Some people have Bush with a low 1st round grade. Peterson missed all last season and is going maybe top 5 and for sure top 10. Bush is without a doubt the 3rd best back in the draft and a mid 2nd round pick on him is a solid value.

:? Peterson is coming off three straight 1,000+ yard seasons. He missed only five games after breaking his colarbone. He ends his college career as a three year starter with back to back to back thousand yard season. Having rushed for 4,045 yards, 5.4 ypc, 41 TD's and 24 receptions for 198 yards and a score.

Bush has played four years of College football with one 1,000 yard season and racking up 2,508 yards.

Now if you have him ranked in your opinion as a top 45 pick then okay, I can respect your opinion. I personally just feel he's a poor value and will go later.

Yanda is a project player that will not see the field for a few years but has some of the best upside in the draft. Some think he can move to RT in the future because of his size.

We need a RT next year. If we would draft a guard that would tell me they don't plan on re-signing Faneca after next season and same with Simmons. If that's the teams plans I could see them going guard. But I would be pissed if they would let Faneca go.

Dude, I'm not gonna pretend I know a ton about this steelers but there are certain things I read and I know without a doubt that they are looking at taking a taller WR because they miss having someone that can go up and get it in the redzone like Plax used to do. There's even talk about them taking a Day 1 WR to help in that area and I've seen Dwayne Jarrett mentioned on some Steeler message boards.

If that was true they would of stayed where they were in the first round last year and drafted the 6-1 Chad Jackson last year. Or instead of drafting Willie Reid in the third they'd of drafted Demetrius Williams, Brandon Marshall, or Domenik Hixon.

Dwayne Jarrett is mentioned by ignorant Steelers fans. If they believe a team that rookie receiver had 824 yds and #3 had 624 yds, both more than Randle EL ever had, would think of taking any receiver besides Calvin Johnson they are nuts. If a Dwayne Jarrett or Dwayne Bowe fell to them in round two I could see that. Just value wise. But we definitely are not in need of a WR that bad. Maybe a #4 to replace Wilson and his 2.9 million dollar salary. And Wilson had 504 yads which is basically what El used to give us.

Timmons cannot play ILB in a 3-4. He doesn't have that kinda of skill set. He is a pass rushing OLB and is pretty average in coverage at best. He can play OLB in the 3-4 because he has good size and makes alot of plays in the backfield.

Hmmm, they said James Farrior couldn't play inside either. Also, Timmons had 6 PBU's and 1 INT last year. More than Posluszny, Beason, Bradley, and Everett. As OLB's. And Willis had 7 PBU's but 0 INT's, more the Buster Davis, more than Davis Harris, and More than Siler.

Sears shined at the senior bowl as a OG. Most NFL people are looking at him as strictly a OG now and think he is one of the best in the draft at that spot. If your looking for a RT, Sears is not the way to go.

I said he could play guard. And like fellow Volunteer Chad Clifton migth be looked at as a guard. But like Clifton has played LT and should at very least get a look at the tackle position.

Datish has a huge body and is experienced at all line positions but he might be too big to handle C in the NFL and might be better off moving outside.

Hartings is 6-4 295lbs and Datish is 6-5 295lbs. Also, centers are normally smaller than OG.

Frank Gore was the man in college.

Never rushing for a thousand yards in a season isn't "the man"!

thebow305
02-21-2007, 03:22 PM
I agree totally with all your reasonings for the Dolphins picks.... especially Harris.... if a Dolphins fan thinks Harris is a good pick for us, he truly is not a Dolphins fan, he probably doesn't even watch football.

Thank God!! Some common sense!!

I do think that Jarvis Moss is a great pick if we trade down as well as Wolfe in the 7th is good because Travis Minor and Sammy Morris just don't cut it anymore, and we never know what will happen with Ricky.

Listen, I like Jarvis Moss and would not mind having him at all. That is saying alot because I go to FSU and absolutely hate the Gators with all my heart. However, when you have a chance to land what could be the best prospect in the entire with the 9th pick, you don't trade down for Jarvis Moss. Especially with a situation at QB that is questionable at best for us.I wouldn't mind Wolfe in the 7th but is he really any better then Cobbs at this point? I dont think so. Saying Minor doesn't cut it anymore is simply false. He has never been a Rb you can count on but he has a good niche with us as a Special Teamer and is one of the best in the NFL at that. I would like to have him back for that reason alone. Special Teams are one third of the game.

Decent mock overall but we will never sign Stallworth

Agreed, especially with Cam Cameron as HC. Chris Chambers is already the best WR he's ever had. He will never go waste money on Stallworth.

We are way too cheap for Dielman or Steinback especially as well.

I don't know that I would call us cheap. We gave Culpepper a nice deal last season and were ready to hand Brees a nice contract. The problem is that we've never had a good cap situation. This season isn't as bad so you will likely see a little more spending. I could definately see us landing a guy like Steinbach. He is a solid player and if he successfully takes to LT which many expect he will, then he will be a reasonably priced player.

We will probably end up going the cheaper smaller route with someone along the lines of a Cosey Coleman, a little more under the radar, but he did play with Cameron and Houck in San Diego, so look for him in Mia next year.

Have to disagree with that. Coleman is really not any better then Jeno James and will likely command a similar deal given the market for OGs. I think we would just keep James then to go sign Coleman. And by the way. Coleman did not play with Cameron and Houck and has never played in San Diego. He has onyl ever played with the Bucs and Browns. I don't know that I would consider anyone from the Browns line an upgrade over ours.

I'm sorry... I think I meant Roman Oben, not Cosey Coleman... sorry about that!

MNRunLeft
02-21-2007, 04:22 PM
How much do you hate the Vikings?

Care to explain? They get two potentiall filled mid round WRs. A starting RT and Houston in round 2 which is a great pick.



The Vikings reach with Brown at 7 he's good but I'm not sold that he's top 10 good especially not when you consider that he'd be moved to RT. There is to much talent on the board to invest even more money into the offensive line when you lack at talent at skill positions. Even if they don't go WR in the first S or DE are also positions that should be addressed. Brown isn't close to being the BPA so he's a bad pick for the Vikings.

The Vikings don't need another CB especially not in the 2nd round. They took Griffin there last season and he'll start opposite of Winfield this season. Why spend a 2nd round pick on a player who's going to play the nickel and he may not even do that if Smoot isn't cut.

WR will be addressed earlier than the 3rd round because right now MN's top WR under contract is Troy Williamson. It likely be addressed in the 2nd round with someone like Rice slipping to the 2nd round or Gonzo/Davis having good talent for the 2nd round.

jdcozart
02-21-2007, 06:41 PM
Pretty decent Packers mock. Great effort!!!

Mr. Myogi
02-21-2007, 09:43 PM
222 Chicago Bears Jared Zabransky, QB, Boise State I love it !

charliedefosspo
02-21-2007, 09:47 PM
7 Minnesota Vikings Levi Brown, OT, Penn State

I'd rather have AD

41 Minnesota Vikings Chris Houston, CB, Arkansas

Love the pick

72 Minnesota Vikings Chansi Stucky, WR, Clemson

Decent

102 Minnesota Vikings Jay Moore, DE, Nebraska

Good pick
136 Minnesota Vikings Courtney Taylor, WR, Auburn

Awesome
167 Minnesota Vikings Justin Warren, ILB, Texas A&M

Dunno who he is but we dont need ILB

199 Minnesota Vikings J.D. Nelson, SS, Oregon

Good pick

bucknut12
02-21-2007, 09:57 PM
The 3rd round is a little high for the Saints to be picking for a backup QB behind Brees, we will probably still be looking to shore up the Defense. If we draft a backup we would be looking 5th round or laterAre you kidding?

That was a perfect Saints draft.

It would suck if everything in your signature happened...

Mock draft of the year!

YOU are kidding , right ?

No dude, let me try and explain.

1.) Tank Tyler-We may lose Hollis Thomas because he is not satisfied with our contract offer. Good pick. Although I would have gone with Aaron Ross here.

2.) Buster Davis- He was a good MLB and his size underrates him somewhat. He will fit in with the D nicely.

3. a.) Trent Edwards- A smart QB whom Payton can groom to take over when Brees retires.

3. b.) Matt Spaeth- The balanced TE we lacked all year.

4. a.) Ryan Smith- Actually followed Urban from Utah to UF where he finally got his chance to start and made the most of it. Good pick.

4. b.) Dallas Baker- We do need another WR, but someone who can stretch the field. He is more of a Colston type receiver but all I care about is moving the chains.

5.) DeAndre Jackson- Underrated physical CB. A real steal.

6.) Justin Medlock- Better than Crosby, huge leg, deadly accurate, left footed. A black David Akers. Can give us great field position.

The stuff that was in your signature was awful, which I see you removed...

JT Jag
02-21-2007, 10:20 PM
The Jaguars draft would be good if we took some other WR then Steve Smith.

Smith just isn't the kind of WR the Jaguars are looking for.

Brandon Myles in the 5th would provide more value for the team.

Doctorsacb
02-21-2007, 11:26 PM
Tank Tyler-We may lose Hollis Thomas because he is not satisfied with our contract offer. Good pick. Although I would have gone with Aaron Ross here.

Aaron Ross is not on the board. He get's picked two slots ahead of the Saints.

The Vikings reach with Brown at 7 he's good but I'm not sold that he's top 10 good especially not when you consider that he'd be moved to RT.

Most scouts think he will be a better RT then LT but that he is talented enough to handle LT in the NFL. Just because you think he is a reach at 7 doesn't mean the NFL does, the mock is based on what I think NFL people will do and Childress loves to build thru the lines and Brown being the 2nd best tackle in the draft will likely get drafted slightly early.

Even if they don't go WR in the first S or DE are also positions that should be addressed. Brown isn't close to being the BPA so he's a bad pick for the Vikings.

Please find me a DE or S that is worthy of that pick ahead of Brown. Outside of Quinn, Peterson and Okoye, Brown is the best prospect on the board.

The Vikings don't need another CB especially not in the 2nd round. They took Griffin there last season and he'll start opposite of Winfield this season. Why spend a 2nd round pick on a player who's going to play the nickel and he may not even do that if Smoot isn't cut.

Because he is a great value, Winfield is 30 years old, Smoot is more likely then not to be gone, and Griffin is coming off an injury. Besides your reasoning for not drafting Houston is because he will be a nickel corner? In a pass happy division that includes the Martz lead Lions and the Favre led Packers and even the Bears who had their moments with great passing games, it is just as important to have a talented nickel CB as it is to have solid starting talent. Besides there is little depth to speak, Griffin has hurt last season. If he or Winfield go down again, the Vikes have no one.

WR will be addressed earlier than the 3rd round because right now MN's top WR under contract is Troy Williamson. It likely be addressed in the 2nd round with someone like Rice slipping to the 2nd round or Gonzo/Davis having good talent for the 2nd round.

Rice didn't slip in this draft or he would have been the pick. Besides, what rookie WR is really going to help the Vikes out this season. How often can you name a WR outside of Colston that immediately helped his team with great production at WR his 1st year. There are slim to none that do that and even the best WRs usually take about 3 years to adjust to the NFL. The Vikes need to sign some guys in FA and then get midround draft picks to develope for the future.

Even a fellow Vikes fan liked my draft. His input is a few posts above.

7 Minnesota Vikings Levi Brown, OT, Penn State

I'd rather have AD

41 Minnesota Vikings Chris Houston, CB, Arkansas

Love the pick

72 Minnesota Vikings Chansi Stucky, WR, Clemson

Decent

102 Minnesota Vikings Jay Moore, DE, Nebraska

Good pick
136 Minnesota Vikings Courtney Taylor, WR, Auburn

Awesome
167 Minnesota Vikings Justin Warren, ILB, Texas A&M

Dunno who he is but we dont need ILB

199 Minnesota Vikings J.D. Nelson, SS, Oregon

Good pick

The only things he didn't agree with is taking Brown over Peterson (although I doubt the Vikes take a RB after spending so much on Taylor who had a solid season) Childress doesn't seem to care too much about having a stud back. He also didn't like the 6th round LB. But come on. It's a 6th round pick. He will likely play special teams his entire life.

diabsoule
02-21-2007, 11:49 PM
Saints Draft:

1. Tank Tyler - Not sold on him, his worth ethic, and his character concerns. Reminds me too much of Johnathan Sullivan. I don't like the pick. We take "Puz" since he fills the biggest need that we have.

2. Buster Davis - I think we could get a better MLB either in this round or later in the draft. Not an ideal fit for our D. Not too happy with this selection. We take Tanard Jackson here since he's a Sean Payton type player.

3a. Trent Edwards - Good player, I think he'll do well, but we don't address QB this early. I'd rather us take Anthony Waters or Ben Patrick here.
3b. Matt Spaeth - Good TE but I'd rather have Ben Patrick.

4a. Ryan Smith - Too undersized. I'd rather us take Dallas Baker with this pick.
4b. - Dallas Baker - I'd rather see us take Kyle Young or Turk McBride with this pick.

5. DeAndre Jackson - Very good pick

6. Justin Medlock - Excellent pick.

snee51
02-22-2007, 08:30 AM
Pretty good overall Steelers draft.... I think our first round pick is ok and Moss could pan out to be a good NFL LB, but I love Patrick Willis. I would also love for Brian Leonard to fall to us in the second round. The middle picks are good, but i love our seventh rounder in Reggie Ball. Hes very Randel-El-esque.

Doctorsacb
02-22-2007, 01:54 PM
1. Tank Tyler - Not sold on him, his worth ethic, and his character concerns. Reminds me too much of Johnathan Sullivan. I don't like the pick. We take "Puz" since he fills the biggest need that we have.

Fair enough. Just wondering what makes you question his attitude? He rose to the occasion last season. He played with Mario Williams, John McCargo and Manny Lawson the year before, when they all left he steped right in and was a great player all season without any other help on that line. I think that says volumes about his character and attitude.

2. Buster Davis - I think we could get a better MLB either in this round or later in the draft. Not an ideal fit for our D. Not too happy with this selection. We take Tanard Jackson here since he's a Sean Payton type player.

This one I have to question big time. How is he not an ideal fit for your D? He is a perfect 4-3 MLB. I guarantee you that you will not find a better MLB in this draft outside of Willis. I go to FSU and watch Buster all the time. I am also a Miami Dolphins season ticket holder for the past 5 years. Buster reminds me so much of a meaner Zach Thomas. I don't expect him to be as good as Zach but he definately has a mean streak that Payton will love.

3a. Trent Edwards - Good player, I think he'll do well, but we don't address QB this early. I'd rather us take Anthony Waters or Ben Patrick here.

You'd rather have Anthony Waters over Buster Davis? Come On now. I know Davis is undersized but Waters isn't half the player Davis is.

3b. Matt Spaeth - Good TE but I'd rather have Ben Patrick.

I picked Spaeth for them because of fit. Saints use a more conventional all around TE that can block, run some routes and catch a few passes over the middle. That is Spaeth. Patrick is more of a FB/TE in the mold of Chris Cooley. I have no idea how suddenly he would fit into that Saints offense because Bush gets all the catches out of the backfield. Patrick makes almost no sense for them.

4a. Ryan Smith - Too undersized. I'd rather us take Dallas Baker with this pick.

Slightly undersized yes but what 4th rounder doesn't have some faults? If you don't get a CB here, then by your draft you wouldn't get one that can compete right away. Smith is argueably the last CB that could potentiall compete for PT and they need a young guy to groom and push Fred Thomas for the nickel role.

4b. - Dallas Baker - I'd rather see us take Kyle Young or Turk McBride with this pick.

Either one of the 3 guys can go there. Interchange them if you like. It's not a big deal.

kevin148
02-23-2007, 05:58 PM
How much do you hate the Vikings?
I was thinking that very thing.

I'd give you an F- For the Vikings draft but that wouldn't be fair...how about an H

Doctorsacb
02-23-2007, 06:37 PM
I was thinking that very thing.

I'd give you an F- For the Vikings draft but that wouldn't be fair...how about an H

How so? Contructive critizm would be great. If you read the thread, there are Vikes fans on here that like the mock. What is wrong with it that you hate it?

bearfan
02-23-2007, 06:50 PM
I could live with that

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
02-23-2007, 06:50 PM
ISAIAH STANBACK!?!?!?! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!?! TERRIBLE. JUST TERRIBLE.



But other than that, excellent Broncos mock draft. Only thing is I don't remember seeing a safety, and I think we'll probly pick one up. I mighta missed it though. Great job, this musta taken a lot f effort.

Chucky
02-23-2007, 11:04 PM
It's typical that the Bucs get no signing, but then you made us SKIP CJ!!! Thomas is great but we will never pass up CJ. Cleveland doesn't need him either so that wasn't very logical.


especially considering u believe ryan harris will be availible to them in the fourth

Doctorsacb
02-24-2007, 12:13 AM
especially considering u believe ryan harris will be availible to them in the fourth

I made avialable? You act like I plan for this stuff to happen. I take this pick by pick and draft at each spot who I think makes the most sense for each team. I rarely look ahead. Ryan Harris was avialable in the 4th and the Bucs need help on the line. Even with the selection of Thomas they still have no depth. Anothny Davis would be the only guy with experience that can bring depth so bring in a guy like Harris that can backup Trueblood, Thomas and the two OG spots would make alot of sense for them.

yodabear
02-24-2007, 12:24 AM
Shittiest Rams draft ever.

Tubby
02-24-2007, 01:25 AM
Give us Isaiah Stanback in the seventh and I doubt we would take two DB's.

kevin148
02-24-2007, 04:29 AM
I was thinking that very thing.

I'd give you an F- For the Vikings draft but that wouldn't be fair...how about an H

How so? Contructive critizm would be great. If you read the thread, there are Vikes fans on here that like the mock. What is wrong with it that you hate it?
No problem....I'll do a quick why not after each pick.

7 Minnesota Vikings Levi Brown, OT, Penn State
300 Million already invested in the O-Line along with 2 second round prospects picked in the 2nd round over the past 2 years.
It will either be Ryan Cook or Marcus Johnson at RT when the season starts. I love Brown and our Line would have more talent than any other in the NFC (arguably) but we're not going to continue to sink huge money at 1 spot when there's so many other positions that need to be addressed. BPA for our team (not big board value) would be Brady Quinn...then Adrian Peterson.

41 Minnesota Vikings Chris Houston, CB, Arkansas
Look at this logically. The Vikings are choosing not to resign our leading WR Travis Taylor, cut Marcus Robinson just before Christmas and currently have 2 WR's on the roster...1 Jason Carter was a practice squader all year long. The other Troy Williamson is the reason we're not taking a #7 WR for the 2nd time in 3 years. We'll probably resign Billy McMullen and Bethel Johnson...but you don't have us even addressing this via F/A (Drew Bennett / Kevin Curtis) or via trade (Ernest Wilford) then you don't have us taking a WR til the 3rd ?? Doesn't make any sense. Plus you have us bypassing pretty elite talent at DE in Moses WR in Anthony Gonzalez and TE with Greg Olsen...all 3 would be much better picks because they'd fit our system, would fill positions of need and would be good 2nd round value.

72 Minnesota Vikings Chansi Stucky, WR, Clemson
The last thing we need is a shifty deep threat who can't stay healthy or catch the ball....Steve Smith would make so much more sense if WR in back to back rounds is what we're look to do...otherwise H.B. Blades,
Ikiaka Alama-Francis, Drew Stanton, even Manny Rameriez would all make more sense than Chansi.


102 Minnesota Vikings Jay Moore, DE, Nebraska
Scott says it all "projected LB in a 3-4"

Plus why would we pass on far superior talent like Prescot Burgess,
Doug Datish, John Wendling or Steve Smith ?

136 Minnesota Vikings Courtney Taylor, WR, Auburn


167 Minnesota Vikings Justin Warren, ILB, Texas A&M
Ben Leber and EJ Henderson both have experience at MLB and Chad Greenway comes back and he'll be given a shot to start at MLB from day 1. Heath Farwell is loved by the coaching staff and will battle to start.
needless to say ILB isn't going to be addressed.

199 Minnesota Vikings J.D. Nelson, SS, Oregon
We resigned Tank Williams, Childress has said it's Dwight Smith's job to lose and Greg Blue is a special team standout and 3rd on the depth chart. We're certainly not going to take a 4th SS.



Hope this helps.

jackson34
02-24-2007, 11:17 AM
holiday resigned, browns have 3rd pick

Geo
02-24-2007, 11:30 AM
Not that it really matters, but why do you have the Tennessee Titans with the Indianapolis Colts' 7th round pick? That's wrong, the Titans only have the Colts' 6th round pick (traded for a 2006 7th round pick at last year's draft, which the Colts used to draft TJ Rushing).

Doctorsacb
02-24-2007, 02:08 PM
holiday resigned, browns have 3rd pick

This was done about a week before the coint flip for the Browns and like 3 or 4 days before the Vonnie Holiday resigning. How about some insite on what you think of the players drafted. The draft order is slightly off but the only pick that would really be effected is the 1st rounder where they would probably take Joe Thomas instead of CJ.

Doctorsacb
02-24-2007, 02:35 PM
300 Million already invested in the O-Line along with 2 second round prospects picked in the 2nd round over the past 2 years.
It will either be Ryan Cook or Marcus Johnson at RT when the season starts. I love Brown and our Line would have more talent than any other in the NFC (arguably) but we're not going to continue to sink huge money at 1 spot when there's so many other positions that need to be addressed. BPA for our team (not big board value) would be Brady Quinn...then Adrian Peterson

So your not willing to take RT help because you say there is already too much invested into the position but your willing to take QB and RB even tho you invest a 2nd rounder in QB last season and gave a big contract to RB just last season. No team gives two huge contract to RBs so Peterson is likely out of the question and Childress seems content with Jackson and the kid has some talent. Seeing as Childress likes to build the trenches 1st, I think he is much more likely to overinvest at OT then he is at QB or RB.

Look at this logically. The Vikings are choosing not to resign our leading WR Travis Taylor, cut Marcus Robinson just before Christmas and currently have 2 WR's on the roster...1 Jason Carter was a practice squader all year long. The other Troy Williamson is the reason we're not taking a #7 WR for the 2nd time in 3 years. We'll probably resign Billy McMullen and Bethel Johnson...but you don't have us even addressing this via F/A (Drew Bennett / Kevin Curtis) or via trade (Ernest Wilford) then you don't have us taking a WR til the 3rd ?? Doesn't make any sense.

Again, there are over 200 FAs. I'm sure you'll sign or trade for someone. I mean the Pats picked up Jabar Gaffney last season and he played pretty well and he was anything but a big time signing. You need to relax on that front. Williamson, Stucky, Taylor, McMullen make a servicable group of 2,3,4,5 options at WR and bring alot of upside to the table. I'm sure they can land a guy like Kennan McCardell for a year and trade for a guy like Samie Parker and be just fine.

Plus you have us bypassing pretty elite talent at DE in Moses WR in Anthony Gonzalez and TE with Greg Olsen...all 3 would be much better picks because they'd fit our system, would fill positions of need and would be good 2nd round value.

Greg Olsen will likely get moved to the low 1st in my next mock because of his great 40 time. Gonzalez and Moses aren't nearly the prospect Houston is. In fact there's tons of talk that Houston will put up the best combine of anyone in the draft and rocket himself into position as the number 1 CB in the draft.

The last thing we need is a shifty deep threat who can't stay healthy or catch the ball....Steve Smith would make so much more sense if WR in back to back rounds is what we're look to do

Stuckey is regarded to have solid hands and the only injury concern was a broken foot during senior year. He brings alot of aspects to the offense and can also serve as a return man and he one of the more athletic players in the draft. Why wouldnt you want a player like that on your team? You talk like he's a Troy Williamson clone, which is far from the case.

...otherwise H.B. Blades,
Ikiaka Alama-Francis, Drew Stanton, even Manny Rameriez would all make more sense than Chansi.

I seriously doubt you take a 3rd round QB after just taking a 2nd rounder the year before. Alama-Francis would amke some sense but Manny Ramirez? Didnt you just give me a hard time for pick you an OL earlier?

Scott says it all "projected LB in a 3-4"

Plus why would we pass on far superior talent like Prescot Burgess,
Doug Datish, John Wendling or Steve Smith ?

Moses is a projected 3-4 OLB, even more so then Moore yet you were wanting a pick of Moses just two rounds ago. Scott says he could potentially project to that spot not that he is without a doubt going to play it. Scott's report was done before the Senior Bowl where Moore looked outstanding at DE and at 6-4 and 280 Pounds, Moore has enough size to handle the DE job in the Vikes 4-3 Defense. None of the guys you mentioned are better talents then Moore except for maybe Wendling.

Ben Leber and EJ Henderson both have experience at MLB and Chad Greenway comes back and he'll be given a shot to start at MLB from day 1. Heath Farwell is loved by the coaching staff and will battle to start.
needless to say ILB isn't going to be addressed.

Are you seriously going to say this is a bad pick? A 6th round MLB and you get mad? In round 3 you said HB Blades would be a good option. Blades is a MLB. So your willing to take one in round 3 but not in round 6 because you have too many? Looks like you even confused yourself as far as the Vikes needs.

We resigned Tank Williams, Childress has said it's Dwight Smith's job to lose and Greg Blue is a special team standout and 3rd on the depth chart. We're certainly not going to take a 4th SS.

Dude, it's a 7th round draft pick. Even if the Texans took this guy he wouldn't have a shot at cracking the starting lineup at SS for them. He'd be at the very best a 3rd SS and more likely a 4th. Sharper is 32 years old. So Tank will most likely take over that spot sooner rather then later. As a 7th round draft pick, Nelson would probably play 2 years in NFL Europe and the practice squad and then after that he will likely play Special Team and backup guys like Smith, Williams and Blue for the Vikes. I mean come on. Who really complains about a 7th round pick?

TNewFan41
02-24-2007, 02:54 PM
good pick up in lewis, bad draft

rather have...
1st CJ or AD. Moss will be gone and jordan might
2nd joe staley
3rd best DE or DT
4th good pick
5th joe newton and DT or DE, which ever one we dont pick in the 3rd
6th BPA
7th BPA
with moss and porter staying calvin isn't even close to as much of a need as a QB.

kevin148
02-24-2007, 03:11 PM
["Joeyjr09"]300 Million already invested in the O-Line along with 2 second round prospects picked in the 2nd round over the past 2 years.
It will either be Ryan Cook or Marcus Johnson at RT when the season starts. I love Brown and our Line would have more talent than any other in the NFC (arguably) but we're not going to continue to sink huge money at 1 spot when there's so many other positions that need to be addressed. BPA for our team (not big board value) would be Brady Quinn...then Adrian Peterson

So your not willing to take RT help because you say there is already too much invested into the position but your willing to take QB and RB even tho you invest a 2nd rounder in QB last season and gave a big contract to RB just last season. No team gives two huge contract to RBs so Peterson is likely out of the question and Childress seems content with Jackson and the kid has some talent. Seeing as Childress likes to build the trenches 1st, I think he is much more likely to overinvest at OT then he is at QB or RB.

It's not about what I'm "willing" to do, it's about what makes sense. Levi Brown isn't even a top 7 worthy pick as a LT let alone a RT.
You take BPA and a RT at 7 isn't smart. RB or QB's you don't have the option of taking franchise players at those spots very often. Quinn makes sense (Matt Schaub example) Peterson (or Lynch) is no different than Bush to the Saints last year.
Either way you need #7 talent at that slot and right now Brown isn't it.


Look at this logically. The Vikings are choosing not to resign our leading WR Travis Taylor, cut Marcus Robinson just before Christmas and currently have 2 WR's on the roster...1 Jason Carter was a practice squader all year long. The other Troy Williamson is the reason we're not taking a #7 WR for the 2nd time in 3 years. We'll probably resign Billy McMullen and Bethel Johnson...but you don't have us even addressing this via F/A (Drew Bennett / Kevin Curtis) or via trade (Ernest Wilford) then you don't have us taking a WR til the 3rd ?? Doesn't make any sense.

Again, there are over 200 FAs. I'm sure you'll sign or trade for someone. I mean the Pats picked up Jabar Gaffney last season and he played pretty well and he was anything but a big time signing. You need to relax on that front. Williamson, Stucky, Taylor, McMullen make a servicable group of 2,3,4,5 options at WR and bring alot of upside to the table. I'm sure they can land a guy like Kennan McCardell for a year and trade for a guy like Samie Parker and be just fine.
I'm sure we will too....we have 1 legit WR Troy Williamson and he's no better than a 3rd right now. McMullen is a 4 and Travis Taylor isn't getting resigned. And of those 300 F/A only 2 or 3 F/A are "good enough" to be a #2...none are #1's. Your philosophy doesn't make any sense when the F/A pool is so shallow. Let's review. We have no legit WR's. We have a high draft choice. This is a very deep draft at WR. The H.C. has already said publiclly that we're going to revamp the WR spot via the draft over any other method.....yeah, we'll pass at WR with our first 2 picks for a CB :roll:
Oh and Keenan McCardell is 54 ...we would have no use for him.


Plus you have us bypassing pretty elite talent at DE in Moses WR in Anthony Gonzalez and TE with Greg Olsen...all 3 would be much better picks because they'd fit our system, would fill positions of need and would be good 2nd round value.

Greg Olsen will likely get moved to the low 1st in my next mock because of his great 40 time. Gonzalez and Moses aren't nearly the prospect Houston is. In fact there's tons of talk that Houston will put up the best combine of anyone in the draft and rocket himself into position as the number 1 CB in the draft.
I wrote that before todays combine ....but Olsen was always the superior talent. So is Gonzo. Plus Childress said in a report that came out that he's had good talks with Smoot. CB is one of our strongest positions.
We're certainly not going to bypass a WR would could start and be the #2 guy right away for a guy who'd likely challenge for the dimeback spot.
TALENT according to team...that's what the draft is all about.



The last thing we need is a shifty deep threat who can't stay healthy or catch the ball....Steve Smith would make so much more sense if WR in back to back rounds is what we're look to do

Stuckey is regarded to have solid hands and the only injury concern was a broken foot during senior year. He brings alot of aspects to the offense and can also serve as a return man and he one of the more athletic players in the draft. Why wouldnt you want a player like that on your team? You talk like he's a Troy Williamson clone, which is far from the case.
"solid hands" ???? I've read enough. You're pulling this out of the sky.
If we're so concerned about a return man, we'd trade down in the first and pick up Ginn Jr. Childress has never emphasized a desire to be
great on special teams. SOooo history says it isn't happening.
You hype up Chansi way to much...I"m not sure if you're just in love
with him or you want to defend your mock that much.
He isn't a legit canidate for a WCO like we have.

...otherwise H.B. Blades,
Ikiaka Alama-Francis, Drew Stanton, even Manny Rameriez would all make more sense than Chansi.

I seriously doubt you take a 3rd round QB after just taking a 2nd rounder the year before. Alama-Francis would amke some sense but Manny Ramirez? Didnt you just give me a hard time for pick you an OL earlier?
You do understand what the term VALUE means don't you ?
a RT at 7 in the first is draft suicide for us. Mainly because we have a total of 400 million bucks tied up there already.
Rameriez in the 4th or 5th is about value.
Instead of paying ..oh...3 Mill a year , a 4th round Guard pays what..
about 600 grand ? Plus we bypass superior talent at speed / skill spots for a lumbering tackle ?

Scott says it all "projected LB in a 3-4"

Plus why would we pass on far superior talent like Prescot Burgess,
Doug Datish, John Wendling or Steve Smith ?

Moses is a projected 3-4 OLB, even more so then Moore yet you were wanting a pick of Moses just two rounds ago. Scott says he could potentially project to that spot not that he is without a doubt going to play it. Scott's report was done before the Senior Bowl where Moore looked outstanding at DE and at 6-4 and 280 Pounds, Moore has enough size to handle the DE job in the Vikes 4-3 Defense. None of the guys you mentioned are better talents then Moore except for maybe Wendling.

This is a reoccuring theme. "VALUE" Moses wouldn't be a LB in our system and I was using him as an example of better talent at the spot.
Not neccesarily saying we would or should choose him. but you gave us a moderate CB prospect over guys with soooo much more upside and at a positon we simply don't need.

Ben Leber and EJ Henderson both have experience at MLB and Chad Greenway comes back and he'll be given a shot to start at MLB from day 1. Heath Farwell is loved by the coaching staff and will battle to start.
needless to say ILB isn't going to be addressed.

Are you seriously going to say this is a bad pick? A 6th round MLB and you get mad? In round 3 you said HB Blades would be a good option. Blades is a MLB. So your willing to take one in round 3 but not in round 6 because you have too many? Looks like you even confused yourself as far as the Vikes needs.

I said H.B. Blades would be better VALUE...clearly you made your mock
up not understanding the values of these prospects.


We resigned Tank Williams, Childress has said it's Dwight Smith's job to lose and Greg Blue is a special team standout and 3rd on the depth chart. We're certainly not going to take a 4th SS.

Dude, it's a 7th round draft pick. Even if the Texans took this guy he wouldn't have a shot at cracking the starting lineup at SS for them. He'd be at the very best a 3rd SS and more likely a 4th. Sharper is 32 years old. So Tank will most likely take over that spot sooner rather then later. As a 7th round draft pick, Nelson would probably play 2 years in NFL Europe and the practice squad and then after that he will likely play Special Team and backup guys like Smith, Williams and Blue for the Vikes. I mean come on. Who really complains about a 7th round pick?[/quote]
The Texans have drafted in the lottery for their existence...probably not who you want to refer to when discussing draft strategies....furthermore.
Look at the Saints and thier late round "trash" pick ups.

The difference between playoff teams and non playoff teams is how they draft day 2. This is just a fact. Round 5,6 and 7 players to you might not hold value ...but to successful NFL teams they are.

Doctorsacb
02-24-2007, 04:10 PM
It's not about what I'm "willing" to do, it's about what makes sense. Levi Brown isn't even a top 7 worthy pick as a LT let alone a RT.
You take BPA and a RT at 7 isn't smart. RB or QB's you don't have the option of taking franchise players at those spots very often. Quinn makes sense (Matt Schaub example) Peterson (or Lynch) is no different than Bush to the Saints last year.
Either way you need #7 talent at that slot and right now Brown isn't it.

Whether you wanna believe it or not Brown right now is considered a top 10 talent. If you dont think so then that's a difference of opinion but I'm going based on scouting reports and what I've seen written about him but NFL personel people. Brown being the 2nd best OT prospect in the draft is very likely to go top 10. So again if you dont thnik so then that's your difference of opinion. Doesn't make the pick wrong.

I'm sure we will too....we have 1 legit WR Troy Williamson and he's no better than a 3rd right now. McMullen is a 4 and Travis Taylor isn't getting resigned. And of those 300 F/A only 2 or 3 F/A are "good enough" to be a #2...none are #1's. Your philosophy doesn't make any sense when the F/A pool is so shallow. Let's review. We have no legit WR's. We have a high draft choice. This is a very deep draft at WR. The H.C. has already said publiclly that we're going to revamp the WR spot via the draft over any other method.....yeah, we'll pass at WR with our first 2 picks for a CB
Oh and Keenan McCardell is 54 ...we would have no use for him.

Way to repeat something that was already said and already addressed. You say my philosphy doesn't make sense and then you make a stupid comment like "we have no use for Keenan McCardell." Yea your making alot of sense yourself. Especially when he would likely start over everyone on your team.

I wrote that before todays combine ....but Olsen was always the superior talent. So is Gonzo. Plus Childress said in a report that came out that he's had good talks with Smoot. CB is one of our strongest positions.
We're certainly not going to bypass a WR would could start and be the #2 guy right away for a guy who'd likely challenge for the dimeback spot.
TALENT according to team...that's what the draft is all about.

Please tell me who you have at CB that you can count on other then Winfield. Smoot has has issues with the team since the day he got there. Childress can say that he and Smoot are working things out but what do you expect him to say? Do you think hes going to come out and say that they are hving tons of issues and kill any trade value Smoot would have? Griffin is coming off and injury and has yet to play a full NFL season. Sounds really deep to me. But again, I think the problem is that you undervalue Houston. You claim Olsen and Gonzo to be better talents. From what I've read and seen written about Houston, with a good workout he could go higher then Olsen and Gonzo and be a much better NFL player. I think the issue is we value players differently.

"solid hands" ???? I've read enough. You're pulling this out of the sky.

Ok smart ass. You brought up Scott reports for Jay Moore. Go read Scott's reports for Stuckey. It says he's got good hands, and that's not the only place I've heard that from many other reports I've come across.

If we're so concerned about a return man, we'd trade down in the first and pick up Ginn Jr. Childress has never emphasized a desire to be
great on special teams. SOooo history says it isn't happening.

You dont get it do you. Your not picking Stucky for his return ability. Your picking him because you need help at WR. However, the fact that he can return kicks does add value to him and it a point that should be noted.

You hype up Chansi way to much...I"m not sure if you're just in love
with him or you want to defend your mock that much.
He isn't a legit canidate for a WCO like we have.

I'm not hyping up Chansi. In fact if you read I said that he'd along with the other guys would be solid middle WRs. Nothing great nothing out of this world but he does bring things to the table and has talent and can potential which is what Minnesota needs. I think the problem is that you have no read up enough on these guys to know where their value is and I think noticed that the guys you keep bringing up and pretty big name guys like Moses, Stanton, Olsen, Blades. Guys that have been discussed entesively in draft circles. Seems like to fail to read up on the 2nd tier guy that have raised their stock and are looking like better players then guys you named.

You do understand what the term VALUE means don't you ?
a RT at 7 in the first is draft suicide for us. Mainly because we have a total of 400 million bucks tied up there already.

Last post it was 300 million. You love to exaggerate.

Rameriez in the 4th or 5th is about value.
Instead of paying ..oh...3 Mill a year , a 4th round Guard pays what..
about 600 grand ?

We were talking about a 3rd round pick and for my money Brown has more value at 7 then Ramirez has in the 3rd round.

Plus we bypass superior talent at speed / skill spots for a lumbering tackle ?

Dude, you do know who your coach is right? Childress comes from the Andy Reid school of lineman. They draft linemen early and often. Childress has never been the type to value WRs or RBs early in drafts but during his days at Philly they did take numerous OL early in the draft. I think your problem is that you just dont like the pick, not that it is unlikely to happen.

This is a reoccuring theme. "VALUE" Moses wouldn't be a LB in our system and I was using him as an example of better talent at the spot.
Not neccesarily saying we would or should choose him. but you gave us a moderate CB prospect over guys with soooo much more upside and at a positon we simply don't need.

Again, you need to go read up on these players more and do some studying. Moses is a slipping prospect with alot of question marks right now yet you called him elite earlier. He is anything but elite. Houston on teh other hand is on the rise and is impressing alot of NFL people yet you call him mediocre. Dude, please go learn who these guys are before you make more posts.

I said H.B. Blades would be better VALUE...clearly you made your mock
up not understanding the values of these prospects.

HB Blades a better value then Stuckey is questionable in itself. To say Blades has more value to the Vikes then a WR at this point is downright stupid.

The Texans have drafted in the lottery for their existence...probably not who you want to refer to when discussing draft strategies

Please tell me where I discussed their draft strategy. i'd love to know. I merely used their weak SS position as an example of what a 7th round pick SS would bring to the NFL. Besides your not one to knock the Texans, Your team is picking ahead of them in the weakest division in the NFL.

Look at the Saints and thier late round "trash" pick ups.

Are you serious? There's 32 teams in the NFL. The Saints are the only ones the struck gold on day 2 last season. They are the exception, not the rule. More 7th round dratf picks are like to play in NFL Europe and the practice squad then they are to ever be starting NFL players or ROY candidates like Colston was last year.

The difference between playoff teams and non playoff teams is how they draft day 2. This is just a fact. Round 5,6 and 7 players to you might not hold value ...but to successful NFL teams they are.

And I agree with that but 6th and 7th round draft picks contribute to their teams as Special Team players and backups for years before they ever crack a starting lineup. At those spots in the draft you don't draft for need. You draft the BPA because it will be a few years before they help you out in any large role.

KCStud
02-24-2007, 09:20 PM
I'm likin the KC draft, but KC would take Dan Mozes in the 5th.

Rayford Mcdaniel
02-24-2007, 09:30 PM
Ryne Robinson to the Packers in the 7th is the best thing that could happen to our special teams. I think it was in the fourth you had us drafting Wade but I think we would grab a Safety there like Gattis being as the third round value wasnt good at Safety.

Rayford Mcdaniel
02-24-2007, 09:33 PM
Also Marcus Thomas over Ray McDonald.

TacticaLion
02-24-2007, 10:34 PM
I LOVE the Lions mock... it looks as if you actually knew a bit about the situation and didnt just do the typical Quinn/Thomas. DE, LB, CB, OG with the first 4 picks... then DE and WR later in the draft.

Well done. Outstanding draft for us... i'd almost call it perfect.

regoob2
02-24-2007, 11:08 PM
49ers:
Not bad except give them Desmond Bishop over the LB from UGA and there is no need for Pittman in the 3rd. Put a CB in his place.

exactly we need a CB

The OUTLAW
02-25-2007, 08:37 PM
I don't really care for any of your Browns picks after the second round. Too much of a scattered approach. Unless the Browns get some offensive linemen as free agents they need at least 2 guards and preferably a tackle. By the way, Vonnie Holliday has resigned with Miami

regoob2
02-25-2007, 08:51 PM
awsome Fa singing and draft for SF

fenikz
02-25-2007, 09:53 PM
NE only has the cards 6th, not the 7th

Scotty D
02-25-2007, 10:13 PM
Excellant Lions offseason.

Caddy
02-26-2007, 12:12 AM
Good job with the Bucs draft. Me likey

Slasher28
02-26-2007, 09:52 AM
Good first, Good second, if not Everette, Sears in second, Lorenzo Booker or Kareem Brown in third, Tarell Brown or Frye in fourth, Marvin White in fifth, Cory Hilliard in sixth, Breaston is great in seventh. overall a B+

a-dub83
02-26-2007, 12:12 PM
If the Colts do resign Cato June, im not sure they go LB with their first pick because they feel pretty good about Freddy Keiaho. I wouldn't mind a lineup of

WLB- June
MLB- Keiaho
SSLB-Beason

FlutiesDropKick
02-26-2007, 01:05 PM
i love the jets draft....alot

roidrunner
02-26-2007, 01:14 PM
i like the packs draft besides Lynch.

alfisback1
02-26-2007, 02:01 PM
First off love the signing for the niners

11 San Francisco 49ers Adam Carriker, DE, Nebraska
Love this pick.

42 San Francisco 49ers Eric Weddle, FS, Utah
Not bad.

76 San Francisco 49ers Antonio Pittman, RB, Ohio State
eh.. we do need another RB, but we have more pressing needs, I say Anthony Waters would be a much better pick.

100 San Francisco 49ers Paul Williams, WR, Fresno State
Good pick

106 San Francisco 49ers Tony Taylor, ILB, Georgia
I like it, but maybe Jonathan Wade here.

120 San Francisco 49ers John Wendling, SS, Wyoming
I don't think we need 2 safeties in the draft, but I do like Wendling. Not a bad pickup.

137 San Francisco 49ers Paul Soliai, NT, Utah
Awesome.

171 San Francisco 49ers Justin Hickman, OLB/DE, UCLA
Haven't really seen much about him, but the position is a need.

Joeyjr09
02-26-2007, 02:19 PM
[QUOTE]i like the packs draft besides Lynch.[QUOTE/]

What's wrong with Lynch?

Joeyjr09
02-26-2007, 02:22 PM
I don't really care for any of your Browns picks after the second round. Too much of a scattered approach. Unless the Browns get some offensive linemen as free agents they need at least 2 guards and preferably a tackle. By the way, Vonnie Holliday has resigned with Miami.

Read the thread before replying. I already said that I made the draft before the coin flip or resigning of Vonnie Holliday. Not sure what you mean by scattered approach. They go pretty offensive throughout the dratf taking a much need LT, a WR and a RB which are all needs. They also address a couple defensive spots lower in the draft and Siler is really the only somewhat high defensive pick all draft.

No sure how you expect to land 2 guards and a OT in the draft. They get Staley at OT but do you really think any team is going to use about half their picks on the OL. I seriously doubt that.

If the Colts do resign Cato June, im not sure they go LB with their first pick because they feel pretty good about Freddy Keiaho. I wouldn't mind a lineup of

WLB- June
MLB- Keiaho
SSLB-Beason"

where's Brackett? I think you'd see a lineup more like this.

WLB- June
MLB- Brackett
SLB-Beason
and the primary backup at all spot would be Keiaho. They don't have many needs so they have the luxury of taking a LB even tho I have them resigning June. I was considering CB their top pick last season was a CB and they are they should be ok at DT after the way they played in the playoffs and with Simon coming back next season.

NE only has the cards 6th, not the 7th

Again, read the thread before you reply. I already addressed this. When i made the mock, the entire draft order had not been released. I got this from a site that had a put something together from all the info they had. The last round is a little off. I'll fix it on my next mock.

PATSfan101
02-27-2007, 09:16 AM
I think the pats draft is sick would go after a safty in the 1st round instesd of meacham b/c there is more WR in the later round like Paul Williams and Jacoby Jones

Finsfan79
02-27-2007, 09:44 AM
I will take it for Miami.

We picked up a QB, G, LT, DB, DE

not big on the 4th round pick of that particular WR.

I love the 6th for Atkins he would be an inteesting 5 technique

RoyHall#1
02-27-2007, 12:31 PM
pretty nice for the browns except on d-line

Joeyjr09
02-27-2007, 07:35 PM
what happened to all the other posts on here?