Here is why we don't need Political/Religion debate here...

[Shiver]

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:lol:

[snuff]

study in 2003 suggested that up to 16 million people worldwide — and 8 per cent of Asian men — were descended from Genghis Khan

[DHVF]

study in 2003 suggested that up to 16 million people worldwide — and 8 per cent of Asian men — were descended from Genghis KhanAlmost brings a tear to my eye.

[PalmerToCJ]

:lol:

That's funny.

I always wondered how people got into politics then bam I hit college.... Now I know why.

[Shiver]

:lol:

That's funny.

I always wondered how people got into politics then bam I hit college.... Now I know why.

Unless opening a religion/politics forum would lead to that end, solving all the world's differences, then it would just be a colossal waste of time. Especially when most have educated themselves, and have made their own personal decisions on what to believe in, what not to believe in, politically, scientifically, religiously.

[snuff]

Talking about politics and religion is no less pointless than discussing 22 year old kids.

[njx9]

dude, i made the upper left hand corner of the front page of the washington post.

[snuff]

dude, i made the upper left hand corner of the front page of the washington post.I would expect better jokes from you.

[Shiver]

I don't believe that. All those discussion, I am referring to, go on and on, with no finite end in sight. It's like a Michael Vick, Peyton vs Tom, etcetera, thread, x100.

[njx9]

dude, i made the upper left hand corner of the front page of the washington post.I would expect better jokes from you.

you made a mistake in expecting ANY jokes from me.

[snuff]

I don't believe that. All those discussion, I am referring to, go on and on, with no finite end in sight. It's like a Michael Vick thread, x100, and everyone knows how sick I, and many others, are of those.Exactly politics and religion is as played out as Brady Quinn and Troy Smith's height threads... There is no difference. Its not like people haven't made up their minds on prospects. The only way people will change their view is if its coming from toonster or scott.

[Shiver]

I don't believe that. All those discussion, I am referring to, go on and on, with no finite end in sight. It's like a Michael Vick thread, x100, and everyone knows how sick I, and many others, are of those.Exactly politics and religion is as played out as Brady Quinn and Troy Smith's height threads... There is no difference. Its not like people haven't made up their minds on prospects. The only way people will change their view is if its coming from toonster or scott.

Are there any posters, or people anywhere, who can change anyone's view on those topics? It's unlikely. Besides, this is a Football forum, I expect to debate football related discussions. If I wanted to debate evolution, religion, left vs right, I would go to a appropriate forum. I have seen gaming forums that have a "Thought Provoking Forum," it's throughly pointless, especially with a predominantly 17-year old audience, incapable of forming intelligent retorts.

[snuff]

I don't believe that. All those discussion, I am referring to, go on and on, with no finite end in sight. It's like a Michael Vick thread, x100, and everyone knows how sick I, and many others, are of those.Exactly politics and religion is as played out as Brady Quinn and Troy Smith's height threads... There is no difference. Its not like people haven't made up their minds on prospects. The only way people will change their view is if its coming from toonster or scott.

Are there any posters, or people anywhere, who can change anyone's view on those topics? It's unlikely. Besides, this is a Football forum, I expect to debate football related discussions. If I wanted to debate evolution, religion, left vs right, I would go to a appropriate forum.You expect to debate football yet your hanging out in the off topic thread creating threads on politics and religion. Awesome.

[P-L]

I don't believe that. All those discussion, I am referring to, go on and on, with no finite end in sight. It's like a Michael Vick thread, x100, and everyone knows how sick I, and many others, are of those.Exactly politics and religion is as played out as Brady Quinn and Troy Smith's height threads... There is no difference. Its not like people haven't made up their minds on prospects. The only way people will change their view is if its coming from toonster or scott.Or yourself.

[Shiver]

I don't believe that. All those discussion, I am referring to, go on and on, with no finite end in sight. It's like a Michael Vick thread, x100, and everyone knows how sick I, and many others, are of those.Exactly politics and religion is as played out as Brady Quinn and Troy Smith's height threads... There is no difference. Its not like people haven't made up their minds on prospects. The only way people will change their view is if its coming from toonster or scott.

Are there any posters, or people anywhere, who can change anyone's view on those topics? It's unlikely. Besides, this is a Football forum, I expect to debate football related discussions. If I wanted to debate evolution, religion, left vs right, I would go to a appropriate forum.You expect to debate football yet your hanging out in the off topic thread creating threads on politics and religion. Awesome.

Touche, although I might add, I rarely post in Off-Topic forum.

[yourfavestoner]

I like to debate it, because the art of debate naturally makes you investigate your own beliefs much more thoroughly.

[VoteLynnSwan]

I like to debate it, because the art of debate naturally makes you investigate your own beliefs much more thoroughly.

this is well said... I love debating with my girlfriend over religion and politics... given that she's catholic and I'm... well... not.

[snuff]

debating gives me a hard on.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

While I respect the choice of this forum to not discuss certain things (even if I don't agree with it at all), using the reasoning "chances are we won't figure this out, so we might as well not talk about it at all" is totally ridiculous.

It is human nature to talk over things, even if reaching a solid conclusion is incredibly unlikely.

[VoteLynnSwan]

While I respect the choice of this forum to not discuss certain things (even if I don't agree with it at all), using the reasoning "chances are we won't figure this out, so we might as well not talk about it at all" is totally ridiculous.

It is human nature to talk over things, even if reaching a solid conclusion is incredibly unlikely.

the reason this site doesn't allow it is because it leads to flaming... nothing more complicated than that.

[bigrick0016]

The reason we don't debate politics is because the average age here is about 15 and a half. When you can't buy cigarettes, I don't want to hear your thoughts on foreign policy. In fact, I don't want to hear 98% of this boards thoughts on sports. Chances are, unless you're old enough to be in the phonebook, you have nothing worthwhile to say........ever

[Paranoidmoonduck]

the reason this site doesn't allow it is because it leads to flaming... nothing more complicated than that.

I'm not criticizing the rule, I'm criticizing the reasoning Shiver was giving.

[themaninblack]

and its the cause for all the worlds problems. :lol:

[frogstomp]

I just want a political thread for when people make off-base, untrue, and essentially propaganda type posts.

Those bother me, and I would like to be able to say why, and what was wrong.

[Shane P. Hallam]

The reason we don't debate politics is because the average age here is about 15 and a half. When you can't buy cigarettes, I don't want to hear your thoughts on foreign policy. In fact, I don't want to hear 98% of this boards thoughts on sports. Chances are, unless you're old enough to be in the phonebook, you have nothing worthwhile to say........ever

Rick's actually closer than most on the reason. It isn't due to flaming "per say." But, if you could debate it without flaming we'd be good. The problem is some people long long ago, before my time, messed it up for all of us with an overabundance of flaming. That and when these issues do pop up *cough*Hardaway*cough* people STILL get angry and flame over nothing. That doesn't really show it is something a sports forum is for and should handle.

And if you think the idea of allowing these debates hasn't been brought back up, then you are severely wrong.

[njx9]

I just want a political thread for when people make off-base, untrue, and essentially propaganda type posts.

Those bother me, and I would like to be able to say why, and what was wrong.

there's nothing wrong with my opinion of canada.

[frogstomp]

I just want a political thread for when people make off-base, untrue, and essentially propaganda type posts.

Those bother me, and I would like to be able to say why, and what was wrong.

there's nothing wrong with my opinion of canada.

No, but your posts about the WWF are just wrong! :cry:

[Paranoidmoonduck]

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I just think it's a bit silly to restrict topics on a discussion board. I can certainly understand not wanting to open that can of worms (as a former admin of a few forums myself), but I do know that it can be pulled off.

[snuff]

Easy way would be to give me a secret forum where I could invite people of my choosing.

[Shiver]

While I respect the choice of this forum to not discuss certain things (even if I don't agree with it at all), using the reasoning "chances are we won't figure this out, so we might as well not talk about it at all" is totally ridiculous.

It is human nature to talk over things, even if reaching a solid conclusion is incredibly unlikely.

If I was convinced that it wouldn't devolve into pointless, waste of everyone's time, heated, banter, then sure it would be alright. That's the problem. I have seen other forums allow these types of discussions before. It is impossible to keep it from becoming a flame war, at some point, because it's the nature of the beast.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

If I was convinced that it wouldn't devolve into pointless, waste of everyone's time, heated, banter, then sure it would be alright. That's the problem. I have seen other forums allow these types of discussions before. It is impossible to keep it from becoming a flame war.

I don't see what makes political discussion pointless and a waste of time and discussing the 40-time of some NFL prospect a great and meaningful conversation. In one someone might actually recieve some education on something directly affecting them (or that they directly affect).

Intelligent discussion of contreversial topics is not as impossible as you think.

[Windy]

as random as i may be i'd like to discuss the upcoming presidential elections. someone needs to represent dennis kucinich. :o

[Shiver]

If I was convinced that it wouldn't devolve into pointless, waste of everyone's time, heated, banter, then sure it would be alright. That's the problem. I have seen other forums allow these types of discussions before. It is impossible to keep it from becoming a flame war.

I don't see what makes political discussion pointless and a waste of time and discussing the 40-time of some NFL prospect a great and meaningful conversation. In one someone might actually recieve some education on something directly affecting them (or that they directly affect).

Then why is this a football sire. I, and others, didn't come here for great, meaningful, soul searching, type discussions. Can it be done? Sure, but as mentioned, it has been tried here before with less than desirable results.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

Then why is this a football forum. I didn't come here for great, meaningful, soul searching, type discussions. Can it be done? Sure, but as mentioned, it has been tried here before.

Like I said, I absolutely respect the decision to not want to deal with the whole thing, but I do think it can be done.

[Shiver]

Well, I think a few posters here could respectfully discuss things. I just don't trust the masses, in regards to the 'timeless' debates.

[bigrick0016]

Have you ever read any of the Ran-dumb Discussion thread? That's why lucid conservation cannot be achieved on this site.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

Well, I think a few posters here could respectfully discuss things. I just don't trust the masses, in regards to the 'timeless' debates.

I think that laying down strict rules for such discussion would tend to limit the participation to those who actually have something to say.

[Shiver]

Don't get me wrong, I am not into the elitist "membership only" boards. I am just saying, if more people were more responsible, mature, intelligent, I wouldn't mind it. I am sure no one else would either.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

Don't get me wrong, I am not into the elitist "membership only" boards. I am just saying, if more people were more responsible, mature, intelligent, I wouldn't mind it. I am sure no one else would either.

Well, I think that such an environment can be grown through example, but that's not to say it isn't a solid amount of work.

[Shiver]

The only reason I started this thread, is one, it was coming up with the Tim Hardaway mess. But, primarily, I just thought that fake newspaper article was hilarious. :lol:

[The Unseen]

I don't like the idea of having political discussions because of flame wars, mainly. It's one thing to flame about the draft, but when you flame about politics and religion, it kind of clouds your perception about others, if you will.

[The Unseen]

I like to debate it, because the art of debate naturally makes you investigate your own beliefs much more thoroughly.

True, but the art of flame war hardens your beliefs. And only a thin line lies in between.

BTW, that article is pretty funny.

[njx9]

I just want a political thread for when people make off-base, untrue, and essentially propaganda type posts.

Those bother me, and I would like to be able to say why, and what was wrong.

there's nothing wrong with my opinion of canada.

No, but your posts about the WWF are just wrong! :cry:

fair enough.

[someone447]

:lol:

That's funny.

I always wondered how people got into politics then bam I hit college.... Now I know why.

Unless opening a religion/politics forum would lead to that end, solving all the world's differences, then it would just be a colossal waste of time. Especially when most have educated themselves, and have made their own personal decisions on what to believe in, what not to believe in, politically, scientifically, religiously.

Most haven't educated themself, thats the problem. Now that is all I am going to say so I don't get banned.

In regards to the flame part, am I the only one who doesn't look at who said what unless it is actually a very good post? Especially when someone changes their avatar, it makes me think its a completely different person.

[Shane P. Hallam]

And Paranoid, I encourage you to debate these things on boards devoted to such. This is devoted to sports, and anything like that is allowed.

Initially, it wasn't restricted, and as I mentioned before, people abused it. It is completely Scott's call and he has made his call. That is the way the rule goes. Whether some of us disagree and would like to debate this, we will have to do it in private.

[EdReedUnstoppable]

Religious discussions are bad idea, it just starts an argument.

[yourfavestoner]

Religious discussions are bad idea, it just starts an argument.

That's because people are either too immature, too insecure, or are too ignorant to discuss religion - especially when it comes to their own beliefs.

[EdReedUnstoppable]

Religious discussions are bad idea, it just starts an argument.

That's because people are either too immature, too insecure, or are too ignorant to discuss religion - especially when it comes to their own beliefs.

Be that as it may it still is a bad idea to have them on here.

[mpindo3]

story time...

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[Paranoidmoonduck]

And Paranoid, I encourage you to debate these things on boards devoted to such. This is devoted to sports, and anything like that is allowed.

Initially, it wasn't restricted, and as I mentioned before, people abused it. It is completely Scott's call and he has made his call. That is the way the rule goes. Whether some of us disagree and would like to debate this, we will have to do it in private.

I don't think there is a whole lot more arguing I can do on the subject. Either you guys want to give it a try or you don't. I'm more than happy to discuss it in private, but I don't get the sense that I'm suddenly going to sway Scott's mind.

[snuff]

Are we allowed to debate Scientology? I don't think that is really a religion. Its more of a life style and philosophy, and the best one in existence at that.

[sweetness34]

I'd love to have a political discussion on this board, but it's just not possible. It'd get ugly real quick. I mean I'd be ok and I wouldn't get heated, but I know some other people on here would have a short fuse on this subject.

I think the only way we could do it would be to make a Liberal, a Conservative, an Independent, etc thread for each politcal view. And you post in the topic where your political views fall. But even that could get ugly.

[AdrianWilson12]

I'd love to have a political discussion on this board, but it's just not possible. It'd get ugly real quick. I mean I'd be ok and I wouldn't get heated, but I know some other people on here would have a short fuse on this subject.

I think the only way we could do it would be to make a Liberal, a Conservative, an Independent, etc thread for each politcal view. And you post in the topic where your political views fall. But even that could get ugly.

That might work, to an extent. There would have to be strict regulations regarding coming into threads of opposing ideologys, and flat out critisising peoples view. I'd like to think I'd be capable of not belittling people and their views, however others may be more attacking.

We've had certain threads that have skimmed around politics/religion, and not all of them have resulted in huge arguments

[Paranoidmoonduck]

I don't know, I just think that the mods would have to create special sets of rules for such discussions. Give probations for those who come into such threads trying to pick a fight. After a little while almost all of the posts in those threads are going to have some sort of purpose (or at least be civil).

[drowe]

i'd love to have a political discussion thread since i already have a raging boner for the 2008 election. but, i understand why the mods/admins/scott would be nervouse about it....it's a personal subject.

maybe if there were a strictly enforced 0 tolerance policy for personal attacks it could work.

[Shane P. Hallam]

I don't know, I just think that the mods would have to create special sets of rules for such discussions. Give probations for those who come into such threads trying to pick a fight. After a little while almost all of the posts in those threads are going to have some sort of purpose (or at least be civil).

It's harder to pick those out than you think.

[P-L]

I think the only way we could do it would be to make a Liberal, a Conservative, an Independent, etc thread for each politcal view. And you post in the topic where your political views fall. But even that could get ugly.

I doubt it would work. I've been on another site with a similar format and people just can't keep to their own thread. Someone always has to bash the other party's view or "defend" theirs.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

I don't know, I just think that the mods would have to create special sets of rules for such discussions. Give probations for those who come into such threads trying to pick a fight. After a little while almost all of the posts in those threads are going to have some sort of purpose (or at least be civil).

It's harder to pick those out than you think.

Not saying it is easy, but you have a pretty good user-base to make it work. I've seen it done in much harder situations.