T.O. vs. Keyshawn

[Whistler6]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3152144

I don't know if you guys / girls have been watching NFL Live or Sportcenter and the others, but have you been listening to the arguing and comments they are firing at each other? It's good stuff! Anyways who's side are you on?

Team Keyshawn or Team T.O. ???

Should T.O. shut up or should Keyshawn zip it?

[andyjo672]

Keyshawn, and its not even close. What Keyshawn said was classy and decent. TO being the moron that he is, somehow found a way to take it personally or as an attack when it clearly wasn't. I hate TO more than I hate anyone in the league, what a hack, and a legitimate idiot.

[Gay Ork Wang]

Keyshawn because i just hate T.O. he is a cocky son of a biscuit,
if i understood it right, Keyshawn only said give Bill credit. seriously why not?
and then T.O come: yea he has a ring but suxx bad.
so? thats 1 more than u got moron

[7-11]

Keyshawn because i just hate T.O. he is a cocky son of a biscuit

But an athletic marvel for a second generation confectionary product

[Gay Ork Wang]

well he is good considering he is a biscuit

[andyjo672]

^^HAHAH..genius (to 7-11)

[Draft King]

Where did all of this come from, why am I just hearing about this now.

[LonghornsLegend]

Yes Bill gets credit too, but TO has just been giving props to Wade and Garrett, and he has a point...They have utilized him better then last year, and we probably wouldnt of had the same record...Of course Bill gets plenty of the credit for building this team from where it was at, but he didnt want to coach anymore, I dont hear anyone crying that Bill Cowher made the steelers and Tomlin doesnt deserve to get the respect give Bill some...

They have just been trying to find any little thing they can to nitpick with TO about, saying he will blow up at any point etc etc...

[Whistler6]

Keyshawn, and its not even close. What Keyshawn said was classy and decent. TO being the moron that he is, somehow found a way to take it personally or as an attack when it clearly wasn't. I hate TO more than I hate anyone in the league, what a hack, and a legitimate idiot.

EXACTLY..I was warming up to Owens a bit until I hear this. Bringing up Keyshawn and retirement?! How immature...Keyshawn's comeback was picture perfect

[Whistler6]

question.. does T.O. have a ring? nope

[kwilk103]

key's mad he was cut for t.o.

[soybean]

does he want credit for leading the eagles to the superbowl too?

[Gay Ork Wang]

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8050c741

he seems like he thinks everyone is talking about him lol

[soybean]

key's mad he was cut for t.o.

do you even know what keyshawn said? he didn't even say anything about TO. he said bill parcells deserves some credit for where the cowboys are today.

EDIT: at least that's what i heard on the dan patrick show.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

TO is a complete and total idiot. This is known by everyone. He needs to keep his mouth shut and just keep playing. Everytime he talks he just looks like a dumbass

[EdReedUnstoppable]

Im wit TO, Im always wit TO screw Keyshawn and his completely overrated persona and career. Sucked as a WR and sucks worse as a tv personality!

[Whistler6]

Im wit TO, Im always wit TO screw Keyshawn and his completely overrated persona and career. Sucked as a WR and sucks worse as a tv personality!

Ignorant post.. I'd be suprised if you even know what was said by Keyshawn. In no way did he even bash TO. All he did was praise him and say give Parcells a bit of credit. good post though

[MaxV]

I have always wondered who's the bigger idiot between Keyshawn and TO.

After this, there is no question about it, TO by a MILE.

[soybean]

maybe Keyshawn will come out of retirement now =D

[mqtirishfan]

Hmm... Keyshawn gets payed for doing this, TO does not. Keyshawn wins.

[someone447]

Hmm... Keyshawn gets payed for doing this, TO does not. Keyshawn wins.

Keyshawn didn't do anything. Parcells absolutely deserves credit for the Cowboys success this year.

I don't like rooting for injuries, but TO is one person that I absolutely wouldn't mind getting a career ender. That much stupidity does not deserve the money he gets.

[swagger]

Owens is a moron if he is really trying to say that Bill Parcells deserves no credit for the current state of the Cowboys. Look at the state off the team before Parcells took over, and then look at the state of the team the year after he retired. It's night and day.

I think TO should be worrying about the upcoming game, since he is just coming off a game in which he got completely shut down by one of the worst and least talented secondaries in the NFL. Why is he concerning himself with where Keyshawn was drafted compared to him, or what his career statistics are compared to him? TO is a freaking senseless egomaniacal moron. Can't this idiot ever just be happy?

[soybean]

TO thinks he and wade are to credit for the cowboys success. while i agree somewhat, how could he leave out Romo. romo is more valuable to the team than TO is.

[LonghornsLegend]

I like how everyone forgets the type of "teammate" keyshaun was when he played, getting kicked off teams mid season as well, confrontations on the sideline with the head coach, writing books called 'get me the damn ball', list goes on and on...I guess all that changes since he works for espn now

[Rich Jr]

Team Key

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[soybean]

I like how everyone forgets the type of "teammate" keyshaun was when he played, getting kicked off teams mid season as well, confrontations on the sideline with the head coach, writing books called 'get me the damn ball', list goes on and on...I guess all that changes since he works for espn now

but we're not talking about keyshawn as a player. we're talking about whether he is right or wrong. he said... bill parcells should get some credit to where the cowboys are today. TO flips out and now keyshawn is to blame?

[bored of education]

Im wit TO, Im always wit TO screw Keyshawn and his completely overrated persona and career. Sucked as a WR and sucks worse as a tv personality!

Im with you. Meshawn sucks and wined his whole career. had maybe 5 good seasons. Look at To's past 8 seasons, and they over shadow Meshawns whole career. Meshawn just jealous that TO will be a 1st baloot HoFer and he may never sniff Canton unless he does the rivin route. Spend years on ESPN to get his name out there so people can remember him until they vote him in/

[swagger]

wined his whole career.Did he dine, too?

[someone447]

CAN YOU GUYS NOT ******* READ?!!?

Keyshawn Johnson didn't even say anything about TO. The only thing he said was that Bill Parcells deserves some credit for how the Cowboys are performing this year.

[bored of education]

But the fact the Parcells didn't recognize To as a human being wasn't right, it didn't work. Look at To this year. Point made.

[someone447]

But the fact the Parcells didn't recognize To as a human being wasn't right, it didn't work. Look at To this year. Point made.

No Parcells just treated TO like any other player.

[VoteLynnSwan]

some of you need to take off the homer shades before answering this question... this is a real easy one, Keshawn did nothing wrong... it's his job to comment on the NFL... it's not TO's job to comment on the TV personalities.

[someone447]

some of you need to take off the homer shades before answering this question... this is a real easy one, Keshawn did nothing wrong... it's his job to comment on the NFL... it's not TO's job to comment on the TV personalities.

Especially because Keyshawn didn't call TO out, but TO DID call Keyshawn out.

[yodapoop]

TO needs to shut up.

[cowboyz]

Ignorant post.. I'd be suprised if you even know what was said by Keyshawn. In no way did he even bash TO. All he did was praise him and say give Parcells a bit of credit. good post though

actually you're the ignorant one. keyshawn has been bashing TO all season. and he more than gave parcells a bit of credit. he compared parcells to jimmy johnson and switzer to wade philips.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/multimedia_center.cfm

go listen to the interview, pay careful attention to the questions. TO is responding to questions by ed about keyshawn. it's not just some diatribe

it's all an ESPN setup. they interview him on sunday, have keyshawn respond, then they got TO to respond to keyshawn and his criticism, and now they got keyshawn to respond to TO again.

Pure manufactured ESPN drama, gotta love it. at least this time it's TO vs. ESPN, so no team implosion this time, sorry ESPN, try again.

[someone447]

actually you're the ignorant one. keyshawn has been bashing TO all season. and he more than gave parcells a bit of credit. he compared parcells to jimmy johnson and switzer to wade philips.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/multimedia_center.cfm

go listen to the interview, pay careful attention to the questions. TO is responding to questions by ed about keyshawn. it's not just some diatribe

it's all an ESPN setup. they interview him on sunday, have keyshawn respond, then they got TO to respond to keyshawn and his criticism, and now they got keyshawn to respond to TO again.

Pure manufactured ESPN drama, gotta love it. at least this time it's TO vs. ESPN, so no team implosion this time, sorry ESPN, try again.

I don't give a damn if they asked about Keyshawn. TO is a child. You can say no comment.

Phillips is winning with Parcells team, I think the biggest difference is Romo, not the coaching.

[Nitschke-Hawk]

A scary man like Leonard Davis does not make your post better.

[soybean]

don't forget that dallas was a wreck before parcells took over.

[LonghornsLegend]

but we're not talking about keyshawn as a player. we're talking about whether he is right or wrong. he said... bill parcells should get some credit to where the cowboys are today. TO flips out and now keyshawn is to blame?

He was nitpicking to begin with, he called out TO and said to just leave it alone he wont win, stop nit picking with the coaches when that was never the case...the only thing TO had done all year was give Wade credit, he doesnt deserve any?? Whats the big deal, does Bill Cowher deserve some credit too for the Steelers being good because he "made" that team too...In every interview Ive seen of Big Ben he gave props to his new coaches, why didnt keyshaun call him out and say the same thing?

Everybody knows Parcells built this team up, but why does someone have to run around praising his name at any given chance...Bill Parcells didnt call TO by his name, whats so surprising that TO doesnt want to shower him with compliments?? Ben actually said worse things about the difference in coaches and how he prefers Tomlin over Bill in not screaming in his face etc, its like that everywhere, but TO is a bigger story...

Keyshaun acted the same way as a player, so he can act like a "grown man" now when he talks to Chad or TO, but he was worse then either of the two...what would you guys say if TO got on ESPN and was doing the same, people would call him a hypocrite for how he acted as a player

[someone447]

He was nitpicking to begin with, he called out TO and said to just leave it alone he wont win, stop nit picking with the coaches when that was never the case...the only thing TO had done all year was give Wade credit, he doesnt deserve any?? Whats the big deal, does Bill Cowher deserve some credit too for the Steelers being good because he "made" that team too...In every interview Ive seen of Big Ben he gave props to his new coaches, why didnt keyshaun call him out and say the same thing?

Everybody knows Parcells built this team up, but why does someone have to run around praising his name at any given chance...Bill Parcells didnt call TO by his name, whats so surprising that TO doesnt want to shower him with compliments?? Ben actually said worse things about the difference in coaches and how he prefers Tomlin over Bill in not screaming in his face etc, its like that everywhere, but TO is a bigger story...

Keyshaun acted the same way as a player, so he can act like a "grown man" now when he talks to Chad or TO, but he was worse then either of the two...what would you guys say if TO got on ESPN and was doing the same, people would call him a hypocrite for how he acted as a player

Keyshawn is also a child, but he did nothing wrong in this case. Cowher wasn't the gm also. Parcells built the team. Keyshawn never called him out. Do you not see where TO is in the wrong on this? Keyshawn didn't say anything about TO. TO then said that Keyshawn sucks and couldn't even make the Cowboys team this year.

[LonghornsLegend]

It became very obvious that former Steelers head coach Bill Cowher and Ben Roethlisberger weren’t exactly best of friends.


Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger had good things to say about the first minicamp practices under new coach Mike Tomlin. And, at the same time, Roethlisberger took a swipe at his old coach, Bill Cowher.

Said Ben of his new coach: “He’s a great guy. He didn’t try to do too much, which was one of the questions, is he going to come in and yell and scream at everybody? What is he going to do? He came in and was as calm, cool and collected as he seems.

“It will definitely be different because Coach [Bill] Cowher was here before I got here. Our relationship wasn’t great because he was here before I got here and I was just a young kid. Coach Tomlin and I are rookies together in a sense so I think we will have a better relationship.”

There were plenty of instances that put a strain on that relationship like the motorcyle/helmet issue. Back in 2005, Cowher advised Roethlisberger to wear a helmet when riding, that same day Ben told the media he could continue to ride without one. Another example was following the AFC Championship game in Ben’s rookie season, Roethlisberger claimed he played that game with broken toes, the following day, Cowher disputed that claim. It was also widely known that Cowher was annoyed by Roethlisberger constantly “claiming to be injured.”




so this wasnt a huge story was it?? Whats the big deal, Ben didnt get along with Cowher that well, and he gives all the props in the world to Tomlin when you ask him about it, he isnt showering bill cowher with any compliments, and I dont hear anyone saying the same things about Cowher making that team...

everyone wants to wine and moan and have a reason to hate TO as soon as one pops up, fact is he never said anything negative about Parcells even though he never addressed him by name...

[LonghornsLegend]

Keyshawn is also a child, but he did nothing wrong in this case. Cowher wasn't the gm also. Parcells built the team. Keyshawn never called him out. Do you not see where TO is in the wrong on this? Keyshawn didn't say anything about TO. TO then said that Keyshawn sucks and couldn't even make the Cowboys team this year.

I dont think TO needed to talk about how bad Keyshaun sucked as true as it may have been, but it was justified because there was no problem to begin with...they just have been nitpicking at TO waiting for some good media action and they got the reaction they have been trying to get all year...but it surely wasnt started because of anything TO did, it was unnecessary for him even to point out TO in this matter to even begin with is my point...There was no reason to say "yes TO im talking to you, just leave it alone, leave that coaching staff alone you wont win"

He made an issue out of something that was never there to begin with...I dont think TO needed to respond how he did talking about how Keyshaun fell off, but at the same time there was no need to single out TO other then nitpicking and giving the media something to feed off of...It was pointless by both of them, and Keyshaun is just as much of an ***hole as TO is and his track record looks to be about the same for someone that people hate so much

[bantx]

I don't give a damn if they asked about Keyshawn. TO is a child. You can say no comment.

Phillips is winning with Parcells team, I think the biggest difference is Romo, not the coaching.

u dont think its the coaching? parcells wouldnt even say TO's name after game interviews, parcells didnt utilize TO the way wade is right now u cant say he isnt, im not saying parcells didnt do nothing to help the team but wade gave it the motivation they needed to do it.

so before u say phillips isnt having a part of them winning is just stupid and dumb

[swagger]

Im wit TO, Im always wit TO screw Keyshawn and his completely overrated persona and career. Sucked as a WR and sucks worse as a tv personality!800+ catches and 10,000+ receiving yards.

Yeah, he sure sucked. May not have been what he thought he was, may not have been what his draft status said he should have been, may not have been what Terrell Owens is, etc.

The only thing saying Keyshawn Johnson sucks does is give everybody a rough estimate of your IQ. And here's a hint... "double-digits".

[drowe]

i hate to admit it, but i'm on TO's side on this one. Really seemed like Key was making mountains out of molehills. TO mostly just had nice things to say about his current coaches, and i think Keyshawn took it out of context just for the purpose of creating contraversey and vilifying TO. He spoke right into the camera as if he was talking to TO and called him out. Obviously TO has done things in his career that warrent being pimp slapped on a national pre-game show...but this isn't one of 'em. IMO, it seems like ESPN has been waiting for TO to slip up all year so they could have this TO vs Keyshawn epic battle of outspoken WRs...it didn't really happen...this is the closest they got, so they jumped on it.

and even when TO took the bait and responded to Key, he didn't cross the line...he took some pointed jabs at him and basically said, "you've done the same thing and worse."

I do believe that Keyshawn crossed the line in his response to TO's response when he basically called TO stupid and said he'd speak slower and use smaller words next time.

either way, it was entertaining, and i hope in continues. i dislike both of 'em...in general i hate TO more, but in this particular case, i think Keyshawn is the bigger dick.

[DSlay4]

I really don't like the argument of T.O. being utilized better this season. Every time the ball was thrown to him last year I held my breath. After all the passes he dropped last year, he should just shut up about not being utilized properly. Terry Glenn was by far a better receiver than T.O. last year.

Oh, and when Keyshawn was on the Cowboys he caught EVERYTHING.

[DaBears9654]

Owens needs to just shut up. *sigh* No coach, it seems, is immune to TO, in the words of Dennis Green, being who we thought he was.

[LonghornsLegend]

So Keyshaun deserved to call out TO because TO was giving alot of props to the new coaching staff, hmmm...Yea what a d*ck, im glad Keyshaun set him straight because he was outta line giving Wade Phillips credit

He should do what Keyshaun said and give credit to Bill Parcells every time we win a game this year, every time TO scores, and if we finally win a playoff game this year...:rolleyes:

Last i checked I cant remember not once was Troy Aikman and Emmitt Smith showering Jimmy Johnson with praises when they won the super bowl with Switzer, they moved on...If TO was always bringing up his old coaches people would say he has a problem with the new coaches...Keyshaun and Bill has a great relationship, Bill didnt even call TO by name, people act like they expected some miracle after the fact and TO never threw Parcells under the bus, ive seen countless interviews where they try to hint at it and he never goes there...

[someone447]

u dont think its the coaching? parcells wouldnt even say TO's name after game interviews, parcells didnt utilize TO the way wade is right now u cant say he isnt, im not saying parcells didnt do nothing to help the team but wade gave it the motivation they needed to do it.

so before u say phillips isnt having a part of them winning is just stupid and dumb

No, I don't think it is really the coaching. Has Wade Phillips helped the team? Sure, but is he the reason they have only 1 loss. No, the reason they only have one loss is Tony Romo. He has really matured this year. How he goes, so go the Cowboys.

[andyjo672]

No, I don't think it is really the coaching. Has Wade Phillips helped the team? Sure, but is he the reason they have only 1 loss. No, the reason they only have one loss is Tony Romo. He has really matured this year. How he goes, so go the Cowboys.

And who was the coach that had confidence in Tony Romo in the first place. Took him out of obscurity and turned him into the QB he is...Bill Parcells. (PS: This is reaffirming your post, not a contradiction, I'm on your side)

[Whistler6]

actually you're the ignorant one. keyshawn has been bashing TO all season. and he more than gave parcells a bit of credit. he compared parcells to jimmy johnson and switzer to wade philips.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/multimedia_center.cfm

go listen to the interview, pay careful attention to the questions. TO is responding to questions by ed about keyshawn. it's not just some diatribe

it's all an ESPN setup. they interview him on sunday, have keyshawn respond, then they got TO to respond to keyshawn and his criticism, and now they got keyshawn to respond to TO again.

Pure manufactured ESPN drama, gotta love it. at least this time it's TO vs. ESPN, so no team implosion this time, sorry ESPN, try again.

WOW...Keyshawn bashing TO? I am pretty sure he praised TO for his play and how awesome he is doing this year more than a few times. If you watched the show, he did nothing but talk about how good TO is. Even after Owen's comments, he said I still respect him and think he's an excellent athlete. Good effort though

[Whistler6]

If you are on TO's ''side'' listen to the ***** interview! He challenged Keyshawn to come out of retirement, he bashed his career, his superbowl ring, and he challenged him like a middle school fight. TO is 34 years old! My God what kind of mature, professional athlete takes something that far? It's weak...even for Owens

[Gatz]

If you are on TO's ''side'' listen to the ***** interview! He challenged Keyshawn to come out of retirement, he bashed his career, his superbowl ring, and he challenged him like a middle school fight. TO is 34 years old! My God what kind of mature, professional athlete takes something that far? It's weak...even for OwensI thought we are talking about TO here, the same man who questioned(understatement) his quarterback's sexuality. Kind of suprised this isn't a bigger story though (on SC), maybe I missed it.
As for the poll, I don't really want to be on either team..., but I'll take Keyshawn, and I'll probably take the side of the person TO has beef with 90% of the time.

[benchod]

Key by a mile.

Keyshawn said that TO should just stop criticizing Parcells, which TO has done plenty of. Keyshawn never said that the current coaching staff doesn't deserve any credit, but the fact of the matter is that it is Parcells' team. Parcells assembled the roster and was the one who groomed the quarterback that is the key component to the team's success this year. On top of that, Keyshawn even went out of his way to praise TO for the season he's having and has continued to do so.

I saw quite a few Cowboys games last year and have seen a few this year. To say that TO was underutilized exaggerating the situation just a little. He wasn't used in ideal situations a lot of the time, but with the amount of balls he dropped, could you really question the decision? Why put someone who you can't trust in a critical situation that can decide the game?

TO deserves major recognition for the season he's having. He appears to have the turned the corner from being a team cancer because of Wade's genius move of making him be a team leader. But his comments are completely dumb and it just shows his ability to understand basic statements. Essentially, he's supremely gifted, but an idiot.

And someone said it above, but its totally true, since its ESPN that's creating this drama for the sake of creating drama. Idiotic, but that's the media world we're in where they can create stories to get ratings.

[sweetness=G.O.A.T.]

Keychain was just offering a little advice to the man child, since he had his own differences with Gruden in the past. But like Key said, maybe he should have made his intentions more clear, more "elementary".

I personally think TO has been waiting for something like this to put his huge ego back in the spot light.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

very suprised at the lack of intellegence on here for this thread.

[someone447]

very suprised at the lack of intellegence on here for this thread.

You have been on this board longer than me, how can you ever be surprised by a lack of intelligence?

[litlharsh]

But an athletic marvel for a second generation confectionary product

This is the single greatest response in board history. Sir, I forgot what club we were in together, but I shall salute you lovingly at our next meeting.