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amc2005
12-19-2007, 05:38 PM
Which Franchise has done the best drafting in it's NFL existence? I want to hear what you guys think.

urinemonkey
12-19-2007, 05:40 PM
The Colts and the Patriots are two of the best.

Windy
12-19-2007, 05:42 PM
I've always liked the Baltimore Ravens Draft. In all NFL existence, Im not sure.

HoopsDemon12
12-19-2007, 05:43 PM
I would have to say teh colts have done a great job finding late round gems and players that no one thinks should be taken, taking them... and it usually ends up they are are a perfect fit. they draft for their system extremly well and i think are hte best our this era so far

Mr. Stiller
12-19-2007, 05:44 PM
I have a spreadsheet of the best drafting day 2 teams over the 1998-2003 seasons.

A "Hit" is based on the 2nd contract and certain factors.. this is from IanWhetstone of SCI.


I'll post it later.

Steelers have had one of the most competitive teams over the past 30 years (in fact we're #2 in wins over that time) i'd have to say great drafts are the reason.

And we're the only team to have over 1 or 2 Hall of Famers from the same draft..

(Swann, Lambert, Stallworth and Webster.)

gdamac
12-19-2007, 05:46 PM
The Colts and the Patriots are two of the best.

Right now for sure, but those two teams have only been on top for a relatively short period of time. The Pats were the joke of the league for years and Indy suffered for a long time before the Manning years.

I think it's cyclical, look at Al Davis, he used to be able to draft with the best of them, now...not so much.

Right now it is the Pats for sure. Not only drafting but managing the draft, their cap space and the whole thing. They are brilliant right now.

YAYareaRB
12-19-2007, 05:58 PM
The Colts are pretty BADASS at drafting..

Babylon
12-19-2007, 05:59 PM
To me it would be the teams that came up with great later round picks, the Steelers were great back in the 70s, the Cowboys coming up with guys like Hollywood Henderson. I thought when Chuck Fairbanks got to the Patriots back in the early 70s he had some great drafts with guys like Russ Francis,Mike Haynes, Sam Cunningham......today i dont know if things change because of the cap but New England and Indy would stand out to me.

jetsfan0099
12-19-2007, 06:02 PM
In history the Jets have been really really bad, like passing on guys like Warren Sapp for Kyle Brady, or passing on Dan Marino, or passing on Ed Reed or Lito Sheppard for Bryan Thomas when we already had John Abraham and Shaun Ellis at DE.
But recently the Jets have been good, we been getting good 1st round picks, and we been gold in the 4th round, we got guys like Kerry Rhodes, Leon Washington, Jerricho Cotchery in the 4th round.
But our recent 1st round picks that have been good players in the NFL are Santana Moss though we traded him, Jonathan Vilma, Darrelle Revis, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Nick Mangold.. Dewayne Robertson is iffy, people may say he shouldnt be as a hit because we traded so much to get him and he hasnt been a probowler, but the last 2 years he has played good, and not even in a position he was suppose to play good in at NT. He has a career high in sacks with 4 this year. But some teams thought Robertson is playing at a probowl level. Hes a good player but he wasnt worth trading 2 1st rounds.
I read somewhere that the last like 10 or 6 years the Jets had the 2nd best draft success rate or something like that.
I will say the Chargers have been good at drafting lately, they got guys like Marcus McNeil, Antonio Cromartie, Shawne Merrimen, Shawn Phillips.....

YAYareaRB
12-19-2007, 06:03 PM
Recently, the Browns haven't done to bad either..

NikeFootball05
12-19-2007, 06:06 PM
The Patriots and Colts have gotten a lot of respect (and well deserved) but don't forget the Chargers.

PACKmanN
12-19-2007, 06:07 PM
Ron Wolf + Ted Thompson= Packers :)

amc2005
12-19-2007, 06:09 PM
The Patriots and Colts have gotten a lot of respect (and well deserved) but don't forget the Chargers.

Oh I won't forget the Chargers, but I still have a hell of a time forgetting Ryan Leaf also.

Babylon
12-19-2007, 06:22 PM
It probably has more to do with player personnel guys. Bucko Kilroy, George Young, Gil Brandt, Charley Casserly, Bill Walsh, Bill Polian... those guys are freaking legends.

bored of education
12-19-2007, 06:29 PM
The Chiefs sucked but Allen, Johnson, Hali, Bowe, Pollard, Page, Tony G, Larry Johnson, Brodie LOLYLE, Kolby Smith, Dustin Colquit, Jimmy Wilkerson.

But had some seriously terrible picks. Ryan Sims, Junior Siavii, Marcus Maxey, Eddie Freeman, Omar Easy etc

frisby213
12-19-2007, 06:36 PM
Colts, Pats, Steelers.

That's why they're consistently at the top.

frisby213
12-19-2007, 06:37 PM
Oh, and the Texans, as well. They just don't get much credit for it. Check out their 2006 draft....ridiculous.

scottyboy
12-19-2007, 06:44 PM
you should see my drafts in madden. getting like 83 rated steals in the 3rd round. crazy

Brent
12-19-2007, 06:47 PM
No love for the Eagles?

Babylon
12-19-2007, 06:55 PM
No love for the Eagles?

The Winston Justice pick was good:)

dcarey20
12-19-2007, 07:04 PM
The Ravens have to be up there. Outside of Kyle Boller and Travis Taylor, there is no 1st round pick that hasn't lived up to expectations in the last 11 years. 2 sure fire HOF players in Ogden and Lewis, 1 DPOY in Ed Reed, 1 OPOY and 2000 yard rusher in Jamal Lewis, and a DROY in Terrell Suggs.

VoteLynnSwan
12-19-2007, 07:10 PM
Colts have been AMAZING in the first 2 rounds over the last 10 years... Bears are great in the mid rounds.

One thing is for sure though... the Dolphins are among the worst at drafting.

Brent
12-19-2007, 07:15 PM
The Winston Justice pick was good:)
aside from him, I think they have done well for themselves.

but since the question was, in it's existence, I will put put the homer pick of the Niners.

gsorace
12-19-2007, 07:29 PM
Jets are probably the worst, but the Lions have been pretty bad in recent years.

The Ravens and Colts have been very good for a while though.

yourfavestoner
12-19-2007, 07:33 PM
Oh, and the Texans, as well. They just don't get much credit for it. Check out their 2006 draft....ridiculous.

Your draft should be ridiculous if you're drafting with the top pick in every round.

NikeFootball05
12-19-2007, 07:51 PM
Jets are probably the worst, but the Lions have been pretty bad in recent years.

The Ravens and Colts have been very good for a while though.

The past 2 drafts have been very good for the Jets. They've gotten two solid starters, possibly future Pro Bowlers in David Harris and Darrelle Revis. Leon Washington is arguably one of the best special teams returner in the NFL and has shown he can start at running back too. Ferguson needs more time to develop and Mangold is a future Pro Bowler.

Oh I won't forget the Chargers, but I still have a hell of a time forgetting Ryan Leaf also.

Yeah but Ladainian Tomlinson, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Marcus McNeil, Shawne Merriman, Shaun Phillips, and Antonio Cromartie are even harder to forget.

D-Unit
12-19-2007, 07:58 PM
9 of Dallas' 12 Pro Bowlers were drafted.

scottyboy
12-19-2007, 08:00 PM
9 of Dallas' 12 Pro Bowlers were drafted.

weren't they technically all drafted? :D

SuperMcGee
12-19-2007, 08:08 PM
weren't they technically all drafted? :D

No, no they were not.

D-Unit
12-19-2007, 08:12 PM
weren't they technically all drafted? :D
Romo was undrafted... So 8 technically.

7-11
12-19-2007, 08:12 PM
I really don't like praising teams like the Ravens for their drafting ability when every few years they're picking in that 10-15 range. If they were truly great drafters they would be picking at 25+ every year, and for this reason i really have to say in recent times it's gotta be 1. Colts 2. Chargers 3. Pats

scottyboy
12-19-2007, 08:13 PM
Romo was undrafted... So 8 technically.

dammit. I knew there was gonna be some undrafted.

BeerBaron
12-19-2007, 08:28 PM
thanks to some busts like grossman and benson, i cant speak for the entire draft, but im not sure if theres a better team whos found talent after the first round then the bears.

lance briggs - round 4
charles tillman - 2
nate vasher - 5
mark anderson - 5
olin kreutz - 2(i think)
alex brown - 4(i think)

all key contributors to their SB run last year and pro bowl quality players in general

7-11
12-19-2007, 08:50 PM
thanks to some busts like grossman and benson, i cant speak for the entire draft, but im not sure if theres a better team whos found talent after the first round then the bears.

lance briggs - round 4
charles tillman - 2
nate vasher - 5
mark anderson - 5
olin kreutz - 2(i think)
alex brown - 4(i think)

all key contributors to their SB run last year and pro bowl quality players in general

I see your Lance Briggs and co, and raise you Tony Ugoh, Jeff Saturday, Ryan Diem, Bob Sanders, Antoine Bethea, Kelvin Hayden, Freddy Keiaho, Tyjaun Hagler, Gary Bracket, Robert Mathis, Ed Johnson, Raheem Brock.
Our entire starting team in other words minus our 2 guards (who were picked up as free agents for next to nothing), and 8 1st rounders.
So really we don't have one significant player that we didn't draft.


Homeriffic!

Bengals1690
12-19-2007, 09:52 PM
the BENGALS!!!

o wait.

Brent
12-19-2007, 10:04 PM
the BENGALS!!!

o wait.
well, if laws didnt exist they would have some good ones

J-Hype
12-19-2007, 10:15 PM
what about the broncos i know terrel davis and shannon sharpe where picked in later rounds idk about there other picks though

Sniper
12-19-2007, 10:15 PM
The Winston Justice pick was good:)

He's played one game out of position. Terrific sample size.

The Eagles are renown as one of the best drafting teams.

619
12-19-2007, 10:23 PM
Of all-time Steelers then Cowboys. Right now the Colts they just dont miss.

Unbiased
12-19-2007, 10:30 PM
Oh I won't forget the Chargers, but I still have a hell of a time forgetting Ryan Leaf also.

"Don't talk to me! Knock it off, all right?"

Babylon
12-19-2007, 10:33 PM
He's played one game out of position. Terrific sample size.

The Eagles are renown as one of the best drafting teams.

Get a sense of humor will ya.

Sniper
12-19-2007, 10:37 PM
Get a sense of humor will ya.

No I do have one but it annoys me when people are like "ZOMGZ THE EAGLES HAVE A PRESSING NEED AT OT" because Justice has a bad game at LT against one of the league's best. He's got loads of potential at RT.

Yung Flippa
12-19-2007, 11:17 PM
Ravens & Colts are pretty soild in pretty much ALL their drafts

EvilMonkey
12-19-2007, 11:25 PM
The Atlanta Falcons because they drafted Brett Favre...

Twiddler
12-20-2007, 12:16 AM
Were definitely not the best drafting team in the league at this point but watch out for Ted Thompson and the Packers. The guy just seems to have a knack for "reaching" on players who then turn out to be great picks. For best overall I might go with the Colts.

NIN1984
12-20-2007, 12:16 AM
Most recent team would have to be the Colts they are always picking late in the draft but always seem to find some amazing talent.

akvikefan89
12-20-2007, 12:17 AM
Colts/Pats/Steelers have historically been the best.

As a homer I would make a case that the Vikings have drafted very well since Childress came in...

bergo23
12-20-2007, 06:09 AM
When you look at AJ Smith drafts plus undrafted homeruns (Gates and Dielman are now Pro Bowlers).......you gotta put this team right with the Pats and Indy the last 5 years: Gee they may be 3 of the best teams in the AFC, any correlation?!

Don Vito
12-20-2007, 06:28 AM
The Patriots have (out of their starters/legit contributors):

QB (Brady)
RB (Maroney, Faulk)
TE (Watson)
OT (LT Light, RT Kaczur)
OG (LG Mankins, RG Neal [UDFA])
C (Koppen)

DE (Seymour, Warren, Jarvis Green)
NT (Wilfork)
LB (Bruschi)
CB (Samuel, Hobbs, G a y)
S (Eugene Wilson, James Sanders)

K (Gostkowski)

Out of our 8 pro-bowlers, we drafted 6 of them (Brady, Light, Mankins, Koppen, Wilfork, Samuel). 3 of them were drafted in round 4 or later. I would say the Patriots have done a pretty good job drafting lately, not to mention the guys like Branch/McGinnest/Givens who have been shipped off..

Mr. Stiller
12-20-2007, 07:54 AM
Steelers Contributors (Last 8 Years)

2007 - Pittsburgh Steelers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 15 Lawrence Timmons LB Florida State
2 46 LaMarr Woodley LB Michigan
3 77 Matt Spaeth TE Minnesota
4 112 Daniel Sepulveda P Baylor
4 132 Ryan McBean DE Oklahoma State
5 170 William *** CB Louisville


2006 - Pittsburgh Steelers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 25 Santonio Holmes WR Ohio State
3 83 Anthony Smith DB Syracuse
3 95 Willie Reid WR Florida State
4 131 Willie Colon T Hofstra


2005 - Pittsburgh Steelers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 30 Heath Miller TE Virginia
2 62 Bryant McFadden DB Florida State
3 93 Trai Essex T Northwestern
5 166 Rian Wallace LB Temple
6 204 Chris Kemoeatu G Utah


2004 - Pittsburgh Steelers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 11 Ben Roethlisberger QB Miami (Ohio)
3 75 Max Starks T Florida



2003 - Pittsburgh Steelers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 16 Troy Polamalu DB USC
4 125 Ike Taylor CB Louisiana-Lafayette
5 163 Brian St. Pierre QB Boston College


2002 - Pittsburgh Steelers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 30 Kendall Simmons G Auburn
2 62 Antwaan Randle El WR Indiana
3 94 Chris Hope DB Florida State
4 128 Larry Foote ILB Michigan
5 166 Verron Haynes RB Georgia
7 242 Brett Keisel DE Brigham Young

2001 - Pittsburgh Steelers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 19 Casey Hampton NT Texas
2 39 Kendrell Bell ILB Georgia
5 146 Chukky Okobi C Purdue
6 181 Rodney Bailey DE Ohio State


2000 - Pittsburgh Steelers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 8 Plaxico Burress WR Michigan State
2 38 Marvel Smith T Arizona State
3 72 Kendrick Clancy NT Mississippi
5 137 Clark Haggans LB Colorado State


1999 - Pittsburgh Steelers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
3 73 Joey Porter LB Colorado State
3 95 Amos Zereoue RB West Virginia
4 109 Aaron Smith DE Northern Colorado
5 136 Jerame Tuman TE Michigan
7 228 Kris Brown K Nebraska

1998 - Pittsburgh Steelers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 26 Alan Faneca G Louisiana State
2 41 Jeremy Staat DE Arizona State
3 92 Hines Ward WR Georgia
4 117 Deshea Townsend DB Alabama
6 178 Chris Fuamatu-Ma'afala RB Utah


These guys have contributed a lot towards the team..

We do need to improve our drafts a bit. 2004 netted us our Former RT and Ben Roethlisberger.. but that doesn't excuse missing on 5 picks.

I'd still argue we're one of the best.

Of our best guys:

James Farrior, Casey Hampton, Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes, Ben Roethlisberger, Marvel Smith, Heath Miller, Alan Faneca, Joey Porter, James Harrison, Clark Haggans, Larry Foote, Ike Taylor, DeShea Townsend and Troy Polamalu.

All of those people were drafted or signed as UDFA's.. except Farrior, he came through Free Agency.

Brent
12-20-2007, 07:59 AM
Colts/Pats/Steelers have historically been the best.
Bill Walsh ring a bell?

Don Vito
12-20-2007, 08:06 AM
The Steelers really don't draft too many dissappointments, those are a lot of names for contributing players, and you have also consistently drafted key players in late rounds. Those are some pretty impressive drafts.

They came into the league at different times, but when they were drafted I always thought Kendrell Bell and Alonzo Jackson would be beasts for the Steelers, they just never did. I know Bell's downfall in Pittsburgh was from injuries, what's up with Jackson?

ripdw27
12-22-2007, 07:12 PM
the broncos have been pretty sad lately with the exception of the 06 draft (cutler,dumervil,scheffler,marshall)

04 we got dj will 05 we got darrent will (r.i.p., passed away 51 weeks ago) then 07 we drafted 3 d lineman and a lt when we needed lbs and s as well... coulda been split up a lot better.

skinzzfan25
12-22-2007, 07:59 PM
I'd say the 49ers and Steelers, with consideration to the Pats.

The Redskins/Casserly were good back in the 80's, but now Casserly is on the Texans (which explains their recent success -.-)

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
12-22-2007, 08:25 PM
Oh, and the Texans, as well. They just don't get much credit for it. Check out their 2006 draft....ridiculous.


BUT THEY PASSED ON TWO ******* LEGENDS!

MaxV
12-22-2007, 08:48 PM
Bill Polian is as good as anyone at finding late-round gems.

He also doesn't pick 1st-round busts.

The closest to a 1st-round bust that Polian picked might have been Rob Morris, but he has started for most of his career and has been solid, including playing very well during the 2006 Super Bowl run.

supermario86
12-22-2007, 09:09 PM
Colts have been AMAZING in the first 2 rounds over the last 10 years... Bears are great in the mid rounds.

One thing is for sure though... the Dolphins are among the worst at drafting.

Yea but the Lions got Millen so the dolphins can't even complain

Matthew Jones
12-22-2007, 10:24 PM
People drafted by New England since Bill Belichick took over:

Tom Brady, Richard Seymour, Matt Light, Daniel Graham, Deion Branch, Jarvis Green, David Givens, Ty Warren, Eugene Wilson, Asante Samuel, Dan Koppen, Tully Banta-Cain, Vince Wilfork, Ben Watson, Logan Mankins, Ellis Hobbs, Nick Kaczur, James Sanders, Laurence Maroney, Stephen Gostkowski, Ryan O'Callaghan, Brandon Meriweather

LonghornsLegend
12-24-2007, 12:41 PM
Pittsburgh has always done a great job of evaluating talent, they are probably most known for not paying players huge contracts, but at the same time they end up drafting a guy to give them the same production as a rookie with alot smaller contract...They draft lb's and develop them all the time and when one hits his prime or wants big money he leaves and they find a new guy...


Baltimore and the Chargers also popped into my head when I thought about best drafting, they usually are spot on with the majority if their picks

gunn
12-25-2007, 12:14 PM
It probably has more to do with player personnel guys.............Charley Casserly....... those guys are freaking legends.

What? I hope that was tongue in cheek. Casserly has got to be one of the absolute worst talent evaluators. I honestly cannot think of a good draft he has headed.

YAYareaRB
12-25-2007, 12:38 PM
Ron Wolf + Ted Thompson= Packers :)


@ your sig,

those are better than the cartigan sweaters Poppa Bear Halas used to give his bears..

no love
12-25-2007, 01:35 PM
Bill Walsh ring a bell?

I see we are ignoring the Terry Donahue half-an-era in which he managed to single handedly dismantle a storied franchise and plunge us in the depth of mediocrity?

Let us not forget such great picks as notable first rounders Rashuan Woods and Kwame Harris.

In his drafting tenure (2001-2004) only 6 players are still on the team as of next year... ouch.

theogt
12-25-2007, 10:17 PM
Dallas has been pretty good since Larry Lacewell was fired/retired. Jeff Ireland is the guy that Parcells is trying to poach for Miami now.

2005 was one helluva draft.

1 11(11) Demarcus Ware OLB Troy
1 20(20) Marcus Spears DE LSU
2 10(42) Kevin Burnett OLB Tennessee
4 8(109) Marion Barber HB Minnesota
4 31(132) Chris Canty DE Virginia
6 34(208) Justin Berlault S Ball St.
6 35(209) Rob Petitti OT Pittsburgh
7 10(224) Jay Ratliff DE Auburn

Two of them are pro bowlers. And Ratliff, Spears, and Canty finished in top 5 in pro bowl voting at their position.

Xenos
12-25-2007, 10:33 PM
Oh I won't forget the Chargers, but I still have a hell of a time forgetting Ryan Leaf also.
Good thing it's a different FO now.

CrackerJack465
12-26-2007, 12:25 AM
All time?

Probably the san fran 49ers.

Jerry Rice, Joe Montana..

Or the Cowboys
Emmit, Aikman, Irvin

Steelers, Packers, Bears, Raiders, Broncos and Giants are up there too.

Recently, its probably the Ravens or the Colts.