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scar988
12-21-2007, 02:00 AM
aka payback time for me ripping on your mock

Round 1
1) Miami
James Laurenitis
Inside Linebacker
Ohio State University
reasoning: At #1 overall a team is supposed to take the BPA at somewhat of a need spot. With Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams both coming back, I don't view RB as a need spot at all. I do however view DL and ILB as such and I take a surprise guy because I think he will be a dominating force at ILB in a 3-4 next to Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor, James Laurenitis from the Ohio State University
2) St. Louis
Chris Long
Defensive End
University of Virginia
reasoning: With Stephen Jackson on the team, Darren McFadden makes no sense. But because of the need at DE, and a possible switch to the 3-4, they select Chris Long here.
3) New York Jets
Darren McFadden
Running Back
University of Arkansas
reasoning: Yes, they do have Thomas Jones and Leon Washington, but Darren McFadden would be too much to pass up here and would allow them to possibly trade Jones for a pick or use a platoon of Jones and D-Mac.
4) Atlanta
Glenn Dorsey
Nose Tackle
Louisiana State University
reasoning: A hard decision here, even for an Atlanta fan. With McFadden gone, the choice is between Jake Long and Glenn Dorsey. I go with Dorsey here however because he would be a great fit for a 4-3 NT and will be the dominating force we need inside next to Coleman and Abraham, as well as the deep OT class this year.
5) New England (from San Francisco)
Kenny Phillips
Safety
University of Miami, Florida
reasoning: What do we give them? What exactly do they "need"? I just go BPA here and give them Kenny Phillips to play behind/eventually replace Rodney Harrison in that secondary
6) Baltimore
Matt Ryan
Quarterback
Boston College
reasoning: Although, I don't view any QB as worthy of a top 5 pick, I think some team in the top 10 will fall in love with Ryan. Baltimore is the team I think will love him the most and select him here at 6 because they need a new franchise QB.
7) Kansas City
Jake Long
Offensive Tackle
University of Michigan
reasoning: With the loss of Willie Roaf to retirement they have had a huge hole at OT. Larry Johnson needs someone in front of him to block, and Long is the guy in this draft that I see as the best candidate to be that franchise LT for any team.
8) Oakland
Sam Baker
Offensive Tackle
University of Southern California
reasoning: They need talent on their OL. Specifically a LT who can pass block and fit their ZBS. Sam Baker is an amazing fit at both and will help the entire Raiders offense by helping them shore up the left side of their line with him and Gallery as the blind side protection for the QB and a Walter Jones-Stevie Hutch type combo in the run game.
9) Cincinnati
Sedrick Ellis
Defensive Tackle
University of Southern California
reasoning: The Bengals have a huge need all across their defense. The biggest position they need may not be DT, but Ellis is too god to pass up as he will be a lot like Warren Sapp was in his heyday and should be a great fit for the UT spot in the defense for the Bengals.
10) Chicago
Brian Brohm
Quarterback
University of Louisville
reasoning: They need a QB. Brian Griese and Rex Grossman just don't cut it. Brohm can make all the throws and has the leadership that neither of those players have.
11) Arizona
Malcolm Jenkins
Cornerback
Ohio State University
reasoning: They need a Corner in the worst possible way and Malcolm Jenkins is easily the best CB in the draft. This seems like a pretty simple fit to me.
12) Denver
Dan Conner
Linebacker
Pennsylvania State University
reasoning: DJ Williams is out of position for the Broncos at MLB. This pick will allow Williams to move back to his more natural WLB spot and Conner can be a very good MLB in the NFL in my mind. His skill set would be perfect for Denver's scheme.
13) Carolina
Keith Rivers
Linebacker
University of Southern California
reasoning: With Thomas Davis and Jon Beason the Panthers have solid backers at the SLB and MLB/WLB spot depending on who the Panthers get here. Because Conner is gone, the Panthers take a WLB here in Keith Rivers and allow Beason to move back to MLB and it give the Panthers one of the best young LB corps in the league
14) Detroit
Vernon Gholston
Defensive End
Ohio State University
reasoning: While it may be argued that White and Alama-Francis are good DE's for them, I think they need that true all around DE in Gholston and would select him here.
15) Philadelphia
DeSean Jackson
Wide Receiver
University of California
reasoning: The Eagles dones exactly have the best talent at WR. Reggie Brown is a #3 playing #2 and Curtis is a #2 playing #1. Jackson is a true #1 and will allow them to have true targets for Donovan McNabb to throw to.
16) New Orleans
Aqib Talib
Cornerback
University of Kansas
reasoning: They have one of the worst pass defenses in the league and their #2 CB is a huge reason for that. It's changed more than once this year and I feel that Aqib Talib will be a great fit for them at #2 CB to McKenzie.
17) Buffalo
Malcolm Kelly
Wide Receiver
University of Oklahoma
reasoning: While Evans is good a #2 is needed. Kelly is a guy who could be a #1 on any other team and with Evans would give the Bills a Holt-Bruce type combination.
18) Houston
Jonathan Stewart
Running Back
University of Oregon
reasoning: The Texans need a RB that is better than Ahman Green to carry the load. Stewart is a workhorse and has the vision and speed to play in the ZBS they run but also the power that will allow them to use him in all situations.
19) Washington
Calais Campbell
Defensive End
University of Miami, Florida
reasoning: The Skins need a DE and Campbell is one of the best this year. I'm surprised he fell this far in my mock. But he did and the Skins get a guy who can actually pass rush across from Carter.
20) Tennessee
Frank Okam
Defensive Tackle
University of Texas
reasoning: With the possible loss of Haynesworth, they need another good Defensive Tackle. Okam IMO is a beast man and can fit the HAynesworth role in Schwartz's defense.
21) Minnesota
Limas Sweed
Wide Receiver
University of Texas
reasoning: They need a featured WR to go with Sidney Rice. Sweed had the injury but IMO someone will take a chance this high on him and that team to me is Minnesota. I think he is worth this pick and will prove in Minnesota that he is. He has the hands and the quickness to do well in the WCO for Minnesota
22) Seattle
Felix Jones
Running Back
University of Arkansas
reasoning: Alexander is on his last leg, so they take another SEC RB to replace him eventually.
23) Dallas (from Cleveland)
Mike Jenkins
Cornerback
University of South Florida
reasoning: Newman is a sick CB, but they need a guy opposite from him. Jenkins is a good man up CB but has some holes in his zone coverage.
24) Pittsburgh
Michael Oher
Offensive Tackle
University of Mississippi
reasoning: The Steelers need a true LT. Oher has the ability to be that LT as he is one in the SEC. He's the power blocker in the run game they like and can maul people in pass pro. At worst he can be their starting guard.
25) Tampa Bay
Early Doucet
Wide Receiver
Louisiana State University
reasoning: The Bucs need a speedy receiver. While Doucet may not be the fastest guy, he reminds me much of Galloway in that he knows how to get separation and find the open holes in the zones as well as has enough speed to beat people deep.
26) New York Giants
Antoine Cason
Cornerback
University of Arizona
reasoning: The Giants need a CB across from last year's pick Aaron Ross. Cason will be a solid #2 to Ross and should also be a good KR/PR for the Giants.
27) San Diego
Roy Schuening
Offensive Guard
Oregon State University
reasoning: Goff is solid but he's getting older and this is his eventual replacement.
28) Jacksonville
Derrick Harvey
Defensive End
University of Florida
reasoning: The Jags need a true pass rusher. Harvey is an amazing pass rusher and defensive leader for the Gators and will be a great fit in Jacksonville.
29) Green Bay
Shawn Crable
Linebacker
University of Michigan
reasoning: The Cheeseheads need some help at the SLB spot. With this pick they get the perfect complimentary LB to Hawk and Burnett and create another BAMF LB corps.
30) San Francisco (from Indianapolis)
Kentwan Balmer
Defensive End
University of North Carolina
reasoning: They need a true 3-4 DE now that Bryant Young is retiring and Balmer fits the mold in the same way Young did.
31) Dallas
Mario Manningham
Wide Receiver
University of Michigan
reasoning: On a team with very few needs, Manningham will be the perfect guy to learn from Terrell Owens on how to be a true NFL WR. Manningham has the raw physical tools to be a great one and he'll be the #3-#4 to start out in Dallas depending on what happens with Patrick Crayton this offseason.
##) New England
FORFEITED

Round 2
32) Miami
Andre Fluellen
Defensive End
Florida State University
33) St. Louis
Eric Young
Offensive Guard
University of Tennessee
34) New York Jets
Quentin Groves
Outside Linebacker
Auburn University
35) Atlanta
Andre Woodson
Quarterback
University of Kentucky
36) San Francisco
Adarius Bowman
Wide Receiver
Oklahoma State University
37) Baltimore
Mario Urritia
Wide Receiver
University of Louisville
38) Kansas City
Jeff Otah
Offensive Guard
University of Pittsburgh
39) Oakland
Lawrence Jackson
Defensive End
University of Southern California
40) Cincinnati
Jonathan Goff
Middle Linebacker
Vanderbilt University
41) Chicago
Ryan Clady
Offensive Tackle
Boise State University
42) Arizona
Gosder Cherilus
Offensive Tackle
Boston College
43) Denver
Thomas DeCoud
Safety
University of California
44) Carolina
Colt Brennan
Quarterback
University of Hawaii
45) Detroit
J Leman
Middle Linebacker
University of Illinois
46) Philadelphia
Tommy Blake
Defensive End
Texas Christian University
47) New Orleans
Marcus Harrison
Defensive Tackle
University of Arkansas
48) Buffalo
Ali Highsmith
Linebacker
Louisiana State University
49) Atlanta (from Houston)
Chris Williams
Offensive Tackle
Vanderbilt University
50) Washington
D.J. Hall
Wide Receiver
University of Alabama
51) Tennessee
Vince Hall
Middle Linebacker
Virginia Polytechnic University
52) Minnesota
John Carlson
Tight End
Notre Dame University
53) Seattle
Fred Davis
Tight End
University of Southern California
54) Cleveland
Red Bryant
Defensive End
Texas Agricultural and Mechanical University
55) Pittsburgh
Harry Douglas
Wide Receiver
University of Louisville
56) Tampa Bay
DeMario Pressley
Defensive Tackle
North Carolina State University
57) New York Giants
Tavares Gooden
Linebacker
University of Miami, Florida
58) Miami (from San Diego)
Andre Caldwell
Wide Receiver
University of Florida
59) Jacksonville
Keenan Burton
Wide Receiver
University of Kentucky
60) Green Bay
Mike Hart
Running Back
University of Michigan
61) Indianapolis
Trevor Laws
Defensive Tackle
Notre Dame University
62) Dallas
Dre Moore
Defensive Tackle
University of Maryland
63) New England
Beau Bell
Linebacker
University of Nevada - Las Vegas

Round 3
64) Miami
Trae Williams
Cornerback
University of South Florida
65) St. Louis
Josh Barrett
Safety
Arizona State University
66) New York Jets
Tony Hills
Offensive Tackle
University of Texas
67) Atlanta
Barry Richardson
Offensive Tackle
Clemson University
68) San Francisco
Jonathan Hefney
Safety
University of Tennessee
69) Buffalo (from Baltimore)
Martin Rucker
Tight End
University of Missouri
70) Kansas City
Leodis McKelvin
Cornerback
Troy State University
71) New England (from Oakland)
Tracy Porter
Cornerback
Indiana University
72) Cincinnati
Phillip Wheeler
Linebacker
Georgia Institute of Technology
73) Chicago
Carl Nicks
Offensive Guard
University of Nebraska
74) Arizona
Chris Ellis
Defensive End
Virginia Polytechnic University
75) Minnesota (from Denver)
Oniel Cousins
Offensive Tackle
University of Texas-El Paso
76) Carolina
Craig Steltz
Safety
Louisiana State University
77) Detroit
Ben Moffitt
Linebacker
University of South Florida
78) Philadelphia
Marcus Griffin
Safety
University of Texas
79) New Orleans
Xavier Adibi
Linebacker
Virginia Polytechnic University
80) Buffalo
Zach Bowman
Cornerback
University of Nebraska
81) Houston
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
Cornerback
Tennessee State University
82) Washington
Tom Zbikowski
Safety
Notre Dame University
83) Tennessee
Heath Benedict
Offensive Lineman
Newberry University
84) Minnesota
Cliff Avril
Defensive End
Purdue University
85) Seattle
Jason Jones
Defensive End
Eastern Michigan University
86) Cleveland
Allen Patrick
Running Back
University of Oklahoma
87) Pittsburgh
Charles Godfrey
Cornerback
University of Iowa
88) Tampa Bay
Erik Ainge
Quarterback
University of Tennessee
89) New York Giants
Lavelle Hawkins
Wide Receiver
University of California
90) Chicago (from San Diego)
William Franklin
Wide Receiver
University of Missouri
91) Jacksonville
Chad Henne
Quarterback
University of Michigan
92) Green Bay
Patrick Lee
Cornerback
Auburn University
93) Indianapolis
Kerry Brown
Offensive Guard
Appalachian State University
94) Dallas
Tashard Choice
Running Back
Georgia Insititute of Technology
95) New England
Jordan Grimes
Offensive Guard
Purdue University

Note 1 - Order used is from GBN draft report according to what it would really be.

Note 2 - Team needs may not be entirely accurate, but I did my best to try and assess the needs

Note 3 - I don't do trades, so even if you say your team will trade down, and I agree, I just don't predict them as they are too hard to be accurate on.

Note 4 - I also don't project comp picks for the draft. Not my thing and it's too unpredictable.

fenikz
12-21-2007, 02:06 AM
Good Cardinals draft, address 3 of our biggest needs and good high value pick in doing so.

Mr. Stiller
12-21-2007, 02:15 AM
I'd prefer Otah to Oher, Though can't lose either way.

We don't need a Harry Douglas WR, he's nothing different from Willie Reid, IMO.

Give Us Tracy Porter in round 2, the CB/KR/PR we need.

and since we took Porter, give us John Greco in round 3 as the LG/RG/RT Swingman.

Crazy_Chris
12-21-2007, 03:09 AM
For the most part this a good Vikings Draft except the second 3rd rounder. DE is a need but we arleady are deep at the position with young promising talent. DE should only be considered if a stud DE falls to us in the first round like Derrick Harvey, Calais Campbell or Vernon Gholston(doubt it but I can dream).

scar988
12-21-2007, 03:12 AM
For the most part this a good Vikings Draft except the second 3rd rounder. DE is a need but we arleady are deep at the position with young promising talent. DE should only be considered if a stud DE falls to us in the first round like Derrick Harvey, Calais Campbell or Vernon Gholston(doubt it but can dream).
I was thinking it would be more of a platooon deal. James and Edwards on one side, Udeze and Avril on the other. Avril as the pass rusher.

Crazy_Chris
12-21-2007, 03:18 AM
It's already a platoon deal lol... LDE: Kenechi Udeze & Brian Robison(also plays a bit of RDE) RDE: Erasmus James & Ray Edwards . If they can get one of the top DE's in the draft i think they ship off injury prone James if not they don't worry about DE.

gdamac
12-21-2007, 05:55 AM
I think the Raiders will try and resign Tommy Kelly, who was having a good year before getting hurt. That would give them Burgess, Kelly, Richardson, and Clemons. If they don't resign Kelly, which is possible since he'll be coming off ACL surgery, it probably means they are going to target C. Long or V. Gholston in the first. For that reason I think the second round pick should be OLB/DT/WR.

I like the Baker pick though, but I think DL is a bigger need, the Raiders gave up 29 sacks in the first 9 games this year, and have given up 5 in the last 5 games and 0 in the last 3. Also the penalties are coming down. The OL is starting to come together, though Simms is not a long term solution.

Don Killuminati
12-21-2007, 06:22 AM
Way too high for Baker, and O-line, in terms of need, doesn't even compare to the load of crap we have on our D-line. Bad pick in terms of value and need. With both Ellis and Gholston on the board, this pick just staggers me. Jackson in Rd2 is okay, I suppose. Mandates that Burgess is either relegated to a specialist role or sent packing, though.

Bills2083
12-21-2007, 06:41 AM
A+ Bills draft. Every pick is good.

Caddy
12-21-2007, 06:56 AM
Good Buc draft in my opinion. I like the prospect of Doucet, Pressley and Ainge for the Buccaneers.

Finsfan79
12-21-2007, 07:49 AM
linebackers can be found a dime a dozen specially in the later rounds it isa position that it is easy to find specially an inside linebacker now an impact middle man like dorsey though is rare.

I know you want your falcons to get him but still dude that seems to be a reach just to pass up on him.

Now it is different though gotta say.

T-RICH49
12-21-2007, 09:28 AM
nice KC draft

thebow305
12-21-2007, 09:54 AM
last 2 picks are good, first two suck for the phins

Jakey
12-21-2007, 10:25 AM
Love Godfrey for the Steelers in round 3...but the rest of it is abit meh

D-Rod
12-21-2007, 10:48 AM
Great falcons draft, though I doubt Woodson falls into the 2nd. If he does slip into the 20s of the 1st round, someone (possibly the falcons) will get an itchy trigger finger and jump up for him.

Particularly like grabbing Williams and Richardson. Means that we can see who is better suited to LT/RT. I'd expect that to be Williams as LT and Rich at RT, but you never know. Just gives us more options.

Edit: Just to say, I appreciate that you're not looking at trades, so the Woodson point is merely an aside...

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-21-2007, 11:16 AM
Vernon Gholston or Sedrick Ellis would be better picks for Oakland.

packer_pat_4
12-21-2007, 11:18 AM
Shawn Crable doesnt fit the Packers scheme very well IMO. Not worth it, especially in round 1. And running back is not a day 1 need. Ryan Grant, and two draft picks last year, as well as Morency make up our backfield. Mike Hart brings nothing to the table for us in Round 2. The secondary is a must, in at least one of these 2 rounds.
Laurinaitis first overall? I guess anything is possible (except Matt Ryan to the Falcons of course, theres no way in hell that could happen). But that would be the reach of the century. And you complain when someone has a QB going to Atlanta on the basis of it being a reach?! There is no way James Laurinaitis is a #1 overall quality pick at this point in time. And Woodson falling to round 2? Give me a break. Nice try though;)

But in all seriousness, great effort. Its nice to read a 3 round mock.

bsaza2358
12-21-2007, 11:24 AM
I really don't think that the Eagles are going WR in Round 1, if at all. Jackson is an interesting prospect, but I don't think he's ready to contribute as a rookie. I can't argue with the fit or the need, but I'm thinking about history with the team. I think they're going OLine here. Just a hunch.

Bearsfan123
12-21-2007, 11:25 AM
Bears need a safety- so in the third instead of Nicks give us Steltz and then give us Grimes with our second 3rd rder. But Brohm and Clady makes me cry with happiness.

Yung Flippa
12-21-2007, 11:56 AM
Soild Texans pick

Yung Flippa
12-21-2007, 11:56 AM
Soild 1st Round for the Ravens, althought i'd prefer Malcom Jenkins, but give us Tommy Blake or Lawerence Jackson in round 2. We don't need another wideout

regoob2
12-21-2007, 01:04 PM
I don't think that Brohm is that great of a leader but I really like the picks

rickscott
12-21-2007, 01:56 PM
I don't see Phillips going to NE as they Merriweather last year in Rd 1. I like Ellis for the Bengals in Rd 1 and although I don't agree, I could see them going for Clady or Cherilus in Rd 2 because of the health issues of Willie Anderson and Levi Jones this season. I think they like Whitworth as an OG and possible even Andrews there too.

bored of education
12-21-2007, 03:08 PM
Long
Otah
Leodis!!!

A++++

future RT and LT 1st two rounds wow!!!!!

The Legend
12-21-2007, 04:35 PM
intresting draft i question if Shawn Crable is 1st round talent

Beau Bell or Ezra Butler or Philip Wheeler

thou i wouldnt mind having Crable i love the kid but i think we could get him in the 2nd round

but i LOVE mike hart but Patrick Lee is a Sophomore

BeerBaron
12-21-2007, 04:40 PM
so i love how youll so adamantly rip me for saying just how badly the falcons need a QB but youll go right ahead and use those very words "need a QB" to start off the bears pick.

ill take brian griese or kyle orton 10 times over before id EVER touch harrington, leftwich, or redman......

and you say the bears neeeeeeeed a QB..laughable

ATLDirtyBirds
12-21-2007, 04:49 PM
so i love how youll so adamantly rip me for saying just how badly the falcons need a QB but youll go right ahead and use those very words "need a QB" to start off the bears pick.

ill take brian griese or kyle orton 10 times over before id EVER touch harrington, leftwich, or redman......

and you say the bears neeeeeeeed a QB..laughable



One of these QB's at #10 is better value then at #3 or 4.

scar988
12-21-2007, 04:57 PM
so i love how youll so adamantly rip me for saying just how badly the falcons need a QB but youll go right ahead and use those very words "need a QB" to start off the bears pick.

ill take brian griese or kyle orton 10 times over before id EVER touch harrington, leftwich, or redman......

and you say the bears neeeeeeeed a QB..laughable

yes, BUT at 10 Brohm is the BPA. at 6, Ryan is the BPA. they aren't just needs. I go BPA at need spots (or what I perceive as need spots).

nice try though. seriously. you have no clue how NFL teams draft.

thebow305
12-21-2007, 05:07 PM
intresting draft i question if Shawn Crable is 1st round talent

Beau Bell or Ezra Butler or Philip Wheeler

thou i wouldnt mind having Crable i love the kid but i think we could get him in the 2nd round

but i LOVE mike hart but Patrick Lee is a Sophomore

he was redshirted though i believe so he would be eligible.

BeerBaron
12-21-2007, 05:47 PM
yes, BUT at 10 Brohm is the BPA. at 6, Ryan is the BPA. they aren't just needs. I go BPA at need spots (or what I perceive as need spots).

nice try though. seriously. you have no clue how NFL teams draft.

DUDE! anyone can THROW random caps into thier SENTANCES!!!!!11one zomg!!!

anyway, lets try this again.

ANYONE THE BEARS HAVE > harrington, leftwich......you get the picture

btw:

"Judging by the reaction to my latest mock draft on the message boards it appears that Falcon fans don't want a quarterback with their top pick. In response to that I only have one question:

Are you kidding me?

Seriously, are you kidding me? Now I'll be the first to tell you that there isn't a quarterback in this draft worthy of a Top 10 pick, let alone a Top 5 pick, but need plays a bigger role than ever these days and it's pretty easy to make the argument that no team has a more gaping hole at any position than Atlanta does at quarterback. Joey Harrington. Byron Leftwich. Chris Redman! I think that says it all. Are there going to be better players available to the Falcons with that first pick? Absolutely. However in the NFL everything revolves around the quarterback position and until you are set there you really aren't going anywhere. Just ask the Chicago Bears, Baltimore Ravens and about a half dozen other teams. I know it's popular for NFL decision makers to say they are going to take the "best player available" but that, for the lack of a better word, is bull. 99% of the time they are going to take the best player who fills a major need. Falcon fans will probably tell you they'd rather take Darren McFadden or Jake Long with the first pick and then get a quarterback later but there is no guaranteeing the guy they are targeting will be available later and believe it or not Tom Brady is the exception, not the rule. Sure you can find a starting quarterback later in the draft but it's not nearly as easy as some make it out to be and if you want a true star you'll most likely have to get him in the first round. Do names like John Elway and Peyton Manning ring a bell? Obviously it's still very early and a lot can happen but at this point I would be absolutely stunned if the Falcons didn't take a signal caller with that top pick and if they don't it will be yet another huge and almost monumental mistake for that franchise.

Then again at the rate they are going maybe they won't take a quarterback..."

thank you scott wright
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/blog/wrightstuff.html

TitanHope
12-21-2007, 06:04 PM
Frank Okam in the 1st RD is good, considering who is on the board. Haynesworth isn't leaving according to Jeff Fisher, but he is injury prone and no one can fill his role for him while he's out.

Vince Hall over Harry Douglas, Fred Davis, and Martin Rucker is bad. MLB is a need, but not over WR and TE. I don't like Hall much either, and don't think he'd be an upgrade over Ryan Fowler/Stephen Tulloch. You may disagree, though.

Heath Benedict in the 3rd is acceptable if he can play OG and OT, which I bet he can. We do have bigger needs than OL depth, though.


In the end, bad Titans mock. You didn't address WR or TE which are arguably our biggest needs. 1) Okam 2) Douglas 3) Dustin Keller would be better in that situation.

scottyboy
12-21-2007, 07:18 PM
lovin' the Giants mock. i'm liking Gooden more and more for us. Cason is my dream 1st rounder. WR isn't the biggest need for us, but in the 3rd, not a bad pick at all

d34ng3l021
12-21-2007, 07:23 PM
What a surprise. Good Falcon mock. I dont see Woodson dropping to the 2nd though.

Deciding between Long and Dorsey is tough. We desperately need a pass rush and Dorsey would be a great addition for that. But personally, I have Long a bit higher than Dorsey. If he does end up having trouble at LT, we can put him at RT for sure and he can be a potential All-Pro there and help out our suffering run game. Thats just my opinion. I wouldnt mind Dorsey.

I really like the pick of 2 OTs in the first day though.

scar988
12-21-2007, 07:31 PM
DUDE! anyone can THROW random caps into thier SENTANCES!!!!!11one zomg!!!

anyway, lets try this again.

ANYONE THE BEARS HAVE > harrington, leftwich......you get the picture

btw:

"Judging by the reaction to my latest mock draft on the message boards it appears that Falcon fans don't want a quarterback with their top pick. In response to that I only have one question:

Are you kidding me?

Seriously, are you kidding me? Now I'll be the first to tell you that there isn't a quarterback in this draft worthy of a Top 10 pick, let alone a Top 5 pick, but need plays a bigger role than ever these days and it's pretty easy to make the argument that no team has a more gaping hole at any position than Atlanta does at quarterback. Joey Harrington. Byron Leftwich. Chris Redman! I think that says it all. Are there going to be better players available to the Falcons with that first pick? Absolutely. However in the NFL everything revolves around the quarterback position and until you are set there you really aren't going anywhere. Just ask the Chicago Bears, Baltimore Ravens and about a half dozen other teams. I know it's popular for NFL decision makers to say they are going to take the "best player available" but that, for the lack of a better word, is bull. 99% of the time they are going to take the best player who fills a major need. Falcon fans will probably tell you they'd rather take Darren McFadden or Jake Long with the first pick and then get a quarterback later but there is no guaranteeing the guy they are targeting will be available later and believe it or not Tom Brady is the exception, not the rule. Sure you can find a starting quarterback later in the draft but it's not nearly as easy as some make it out to be and if you want a true star you'll most likely have to get him in the first round. Do names like John Elway and Peyton Manning ring a bell? Obviously it's still very early and a lot can happen but at this point I would be absolutely stunned if the Falcons didn't take a signal caller with that top pick and if they don't it will be yet another huge and almost monumental mistake for that franchise.

Then again at the rate they are going maybe they won't take a quarterback..."

thank you scott wright
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/blog/wrightstuff.html
sometimes Scott has moments where I disagree completely. and this is one of them. because you don't waste a top 5 pick on a player who isn't worth a top 5 pick.

d34ng3l021
12-21-2007, 07:32 PM
DUDE! anyone can THROW random caps into thier SENTANCES!!!!!11one zomg!!!

anyway, lets try this again.

ANYONE THE BEARS HAVE > harrington, leftwich......you get the picture

btw:

"Judging by the reaction to my latest mock draft on the message boards it appears that Falcon fans don't want a quarterback with their top pick. In response to that I only have one question:

Are you kidding me?

Seriously, are you kidding me? Now I'll be the first to tell you that there isn't a quarterback in this draft worthy of a Top 10 pick, let alone a Top 5 pick, but need plays a bigger role than ever these days and it's pretty easy to make the argument that no team has a more gaping hole at any position than Atlanta does at quarterback. Joey Harrington. Byron Leftwich. Chris Redman! I think that says it all. Are there going to be better players available to the Falcons with that first pick? Absolutely. However in the NFL everything revolves around the quarterback position and until you are set there you really aren't going anywhere. Just ask the Chicago Bears, Baltimore Ravens and about a half dozen other teams. I know it's popular for NFL decision makers to say they are going to take the "best player available" but that, for the lack of a better word, is bull. 99% of the time they are going to take the best player who fills a major need. Falcon fans will probably tell you they'd rather take Darren McFadden or Jake Long with the first pick and then get a quarterback later but there is no guaranteeing the guy they are targeting will be available later and believe it or not Tom Brady is the exception, not the rule. Sure you can find a starting quarterback later in the draft but it's not nearly as easy as some make it out to be and if you want a true star you'll most likely have to get him in the first round. Do names like John Elway and Peyton Manning ring a bell? Obviously it's still very early and a lot can happen but at this point I would be absolutely stunned if the Falcons didn't take a signal caller with that top pick and if they don't it will be yet another huge and almost monumental mistake for that franchise.

Then again at the rate they are going maybe they won't take a quarterback..."

thank you scott wright
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/blog/wrightstuff.html

As much as I respect Scott, I dont think we should take a QB with our first round pick. As we all know, the QB crop this year is not that great, and we would already be reaching with our pick. If he doesnt span out, he would be setting this franchise back like 5 years. Also, the talent on our offense is not that great. Our OL is so terrible at pass blocking, any QB would get killed back there. Our RBs need improvement. The only solid thing in our offense is Roddy White.

I think if we end up reaching for a QB during this draft, it will set our franchise back, just like Carr did for the Texans and Smith did for the 49ers. I think we need to build an offense, bring in a veteran QB, and then obtain a franchise QB. It would take a couple of years for consistent winning, but it is better than seeing your franchise QB's development ruined.

iloxygenil
12-21-2007, 08:25 PM
Of course it's a good Falcons draft...I hate Woodson but he's good value. I just hate that STUPID windup.

DiG
12-21-2007, 09:31 PM
campbell in the first is fine but the other two skins picks are bad. hall is a reach in the mid 2nd when there is much better value available at cb, olb, and oline.

reed doughty has played decent at SS so unless we bring in a guy thats a lot better than reed we have to fill needs at the other positions before drafting a safety that isnt even an upgrade.

Vikes99ej
12-21-2007, 09:44 PM
I don't know if I want Limas Sweed when we have Sidney Rice. I'd like a different type of receiver. Carlson and the other two are pretty good picks.

packer_pat_4
12-21-2007, 10:28 PM
yes, BUT at 10 Brohm is the BPA. at 6, Ryan is the BPA. they aren't just needs. I go BPA at need spots (or what I perceive as need spots).

nice try though. seriously. you have no clue how NFL teams draft.

nice try though.... i think thats your catchphrase
explain to me then how Tampa passes on Andre Woodson? Hes a need spot for the bucs. He has by far the best value of anyone on the board.
And even if the fins need a middle linebacker, they have much bigger needs. Laurinaitis is no where near the BPA, that would be the biggest reach Ive ever seen at the top of a draft.
If someone dares put the Falcons drafting a QB in the top 5 in one of their drafts, you let them know how dumb they are since they have other needs with better value. Dont the dolphins have other needs with better value? Plus, you just mentioned how its such a waste to draft a player in the top 5 even if they arent a consensus top 5 player.... that rule doesnt apply to James Laurinatis?

scar988
12-21-2007, 10:58 PM
nice try though.... i think thats your catchphrase
explain to me then how Tampa passes on Andre Woodson? Hes a need spot for the bucs. He has by far the best value of anyone on the board.
And even if the fins need a middle linebacker, they have much bigger needs. Laurinaitis is no where near the BPA, that would be the biggest reach Ive ever seen at the top of a draft.
If someone dares put the Falcons drafting a QB in the top 5 in one of their drafts, you let them know how dumb they are since they have other needs with better value. Dont the dolphins have other needs with better value? Plus, you just mentioned how its such a waste to draft a player in the top 5 even if they arent a consensus top 5 player.... that rule doesnt apply to James Laurinatis?

to me, JL is the top player in the draft that I have seen, IF he comes out. There hasn't been his kind of talent at LB in a long, long time at the top f the draft. Also with Parcells, it means the Fins will run a 3-4 and a 3-4 needs 2 high quality LB's.

packer_pat_4
12-21-2007, 11:22 PM
to me, JL is the top player in the draft that I have seen, IF he comes out. There hasn't been his kind of talent at LB in a long, long time at the top f the draft. Also with Parcells, it means the Fins will run a 3-4 and a 3-4 needs 2 high quality LB's.
You question and ridicule peoples abilities to create mock drafts when they put Matt Ryan to the Falcons, but you rank JL #1 of all eligible draftees? Thats laughable.
And to most people (like 90%) of the people on the board, the Falcons will most likely take a QB in the first round. How come if others have opinions (very valid opinions at that) you slam them, yet you have one of the most bizarre opinions Ive ever seen, and it can be justified because you think so? Stop being a hypocrite.

And once again, using your philosophy (which of course is the only way to go about things), explain to me how Tampa passes on Andre Woodson? Hes a need spot for the bucs. He has by far the best value of anyone on the board.

scar988
12-21-2007, 11:54 PM
You question and ridicule peoples abilities to create mock drafts when they put Matt Ryan to the Falcons, but you rank JL #1 of all eligible draftees? Thats laughable.
And to most people (like 90%) of the people on the board, the Falcons will most likely take a QB in the first round. How come if others have opinions (very valid opinions at that) you slam them, yet you have one of the most bizarre opinions Ive ever seen, and it can be justified because you think so? Stop being a hypocrite.

And once again, using your philosophy (which of course is the only way to go about things), explain to me how Tampa passes on Andre Woodson? Hes a need spot for the bucs. He has by far the best value of anyone on the board.
cause it was an oversight.

downthealley
12-22-2007, 12:23 AM
The Patriots already have Harrison's successor at SS - James Sanders. With the drafting of Meriweather last year to take over at FS, Kenny Phillips would be the pick only if Meriweather is moved to CB.

I think the Patriots would be better off with Jake Long at that point in order to solidify the RT position and to take over for Matt Light possibly at LT, eventually.

BaLLiN
12-23-2007, 10:57 AM
Giants picks are good. but Gooden really didnt prove himself, and Hawkins is nothing really spectacular (we have moss and smith) we need a tall long ball threat.

psychosid
12-27-2007, 08:48 PM
Dude, are you serious with this, no jordy nelson, are you kidding me??? I guess great size, blazing speed, solid hands & a TO clone is not worth a top 15 pick?

Eagles own the NFC East
12-27-2007, 09:31 PM
good eagles draft... however is a ILB going to go 1st overall??? doubtful Parcells could get the 3-4 middle linebacker he wants later on the first day... however he could get his D-Lineman in Glenn Dorsey 1st overall.

ATLDirtyBirds
12-27-2007, 09:42 PM
Dude, are you serious with this, no jordy nelson, are you kidding me??? I guess great size, blazing speed, solid hands & a TO clone is not worth a top 15 pick?



Not only not worth a top 15 pick, he probably isn't even worth a 3rd round pick.

Tampa 2 4 life
12-27-2007, 09:48 PM
Dude, are you serious with this, no jordy nelson, are you kidding me??? I guess great size, blazing speed, solid hands & a TO clone is not worth a top 15 pick?

4.7 40 yard...

BUSTKUNTLAWL
12-27-2007, 09:55 PM
Pretty much the worst #1 overall pick I have ever seen. It makes no sense at all. Where is the value at taking a LB #1 overall? Especially for Miami? I am dumbfounded by that pick. We're all dumber for having seen this.

But, the Bears draft looked actually really good.

skinzzfan25
12-27-2007, 09:57 PM
Good Redskin mock, but I'd rather take a CB in round 3 rather than a safety.

scar988
12-27-2007, 10:03 PM
Dude, are you serious with this, no jordy nelson, are you kidding me??? I guess great size, blazing speed, solid hands & a TO clone is not worth a top 15 pick?

if I have to say WHO? when I hear the name, then he isn't worth a 5th round pick. and Jordy Nelson is a WHO? name to me.

BUSTKUNTLAWL
12-27-2007, 10:07 PM
if I have to say WHO? when I hear the name, then he isn't worth a 5th round pick. and Jordy Nelson is a WHO? name to me.

Weren't you the guy that insisted for a year that Ko Simpson was a top 10 pick and if he wasn't going to Atlanta in a mock draft it was a horrendous mock draft? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Crickett
12-27-2007, 10:19 PM
4.7 40 yard...

Are you that fast? I know I can't run that fast. I don't even know anyone who can. Jordy Nelson. The greatest wide receiver prospect since the legendary Matt Jones.

psychosid
12-27-2007, 10:22 PM
ummm as far as matt jones goes, he is getting screwed by jack del rio worse then a 3 dollar *****, and if you wanna bring up matt jones, how about mike "fat boy" williams or charles rogers. black players can be bust's also.

psychosid
12-27-2007, 10:26 PM
hey atlanta birds, your getting on my nerves with your stupid comments, nelson is a better receiver in his sleep then limus sweed or bowman, ya just cant handle that the best receiver in this draft is whi...u can figure it the rest ;)

BigJohn98
12-27-2007, 10:31 PM
ummm as far as matt jones goes, he is getting screwed by jack del rio worse then a 3 dollar *****, and if you wanna bring up matt jones, how about mike "fat boy" williams or charles rogers. black players can be bust's also.

You couldn't be more wrong. I don't know how you think it's Jack Del Rio's fault. Jack Del Rio has given Matt Jones plenty of chances. Matt Jones is screwing himself. He is lazy, and looks like he doesn't give a damn about football. Hardley any effort at all. I could come off the ball harder than he does.

619
12-27-2007, 10:31 PM
Im not so sure the Raiders would pass up on Vernon Gholston and Sedrick Ellis in round one for Sam Baker. We could get a similar OT talent in the second for better value and address our biggest need of an impact DL to help improve our 31st ranked run defense and average pass rush.

scar988
12-27-2007, 10:41 PM
hey atlanta birds, your getting on my nerves with your stupid comments, nelson is a better receiver in his sleep then limus sweed or bowman, ya just cant handle that the best receiver in this draft is whi...u can figure it the rest ;)Nelson is a 4th ronder at best. at this point it's ok to be a WHO? player. but saying that Nelson is a top 15 guy means he would have to be a 4.20 40 guy.

Crickett
12-27-2007, 10:43 PM
ummm as far as matt jones goes, he is getting screwed by jack del rio worse then a 3 dollar *****, and if you wanna bring up matt jones, how about mike "fat boy" williams or charles rogers. black players can be bust's also.


You couldn't be more wrong. I don't know how you think it's Jack Del Rio's fault. Jack Del Rio has given Matt Jones plenty of chances. Matt Jones is screwing himself. He is lazy, and looks like he doesn't give a damn about football. Hardley any effort at all. I could come off the ball harder than he does.

Ah jeez guys, it was a joke. :(

psychosid
12-27-2007, 10:56 PM
so nelson needs to be a 4.2 guy to be top 15??? so why was braylen edwards a top 5 pick with mid 4.4 speed (edwards is awesome, and deserved to be a top 5 pick) nelson will run a great 40 time, (low 4.4 is my prediction) and with the production of his senior year, should be a top 15 pick.

yo123
12-27-2007, 11:00 PM
so nelson needs to be a 4.2 guy to be top 15??? so why was braylen edwards a top 5 pick with mid 4.4 speed (edwards is awesome, and deserved to be a top 5 pick) nelson will run a great 40 time, (low 4.4 is my prediction) and with the production of his senior year, should be a top 15 pick.


Travis24??????? When Nelson can run a route without taking 2 seconds to change direction he will be a first round pick.

scar988
12-27-2007, 11:22 PM
so nelson needs to be a 4.2 guy to be top 15??? so why was braylen edwards a top 5 pick with mid 4.4 speed (edwards is awesome, and deserved to be a top 5 pick) nelson will run a great 40 time, (low 4.4 is my prediction) and with the production of his senior year, should be a top 15 pick.no he isn't even close to a top 15 pick. top 15 picks are normally at least considered top 2 roudn guys BEFORE their senior season even ends. Nelson is a 4TH ROUND PLAYER AT BEST right now.

psychosid
12-28-2007, 07:39 AM
This guy is going to drop some serious jaw's at the combine, show great hands, will measure up close to 6-3 (id say.....6-2 1/2) weigh between 215-220 (id say....217) vertical about 36-38, run good (for his size, not for a twirp like desean jackson) agility times (will blow the doors off of sweed & bowman), and be drafted.......20-32 (should be 5-15, but due to his skin condition the NFL will haveeee to hold that against him..lol) On a serious note, lets say he runs a 4.4 flat...do you think he is a top 15 pick then?

ATLDirtyBirds
12-28-2007, 07:50 AM
hey atlanta birds, your getting on my nerves with your stupid comments, nelson is a better receiver in his sleep then limus sweed or bowman, ya just cant handle that the best receiver in this draft is whi...u can figure it the rest ;)



I'm the one making stupid comments? This comming from a guy who is calling Jordy a top 15 pick, when just about everyone else in the draft world has him as a day 2 pick. Face it, Jordy isn't that good. It's not because of his color, it's because of his talent.

psychosid
12-28-2007, 08:04 AM
I'm the one making stupid comments? This comming from a guy who is calling Jordy a top 15 pick, when just about everyone else in the draft world has him as a day 2 pick. Face it, Jordy isn't that good. It's not because of his color, it's because of his talent.

The only reason why scouts and draft guru's have him ranked so low right now is his PERCEIVED lack of speed (which did not seem to hurt dwayne bowe BTW), once he goes to the senior bowl and runs at the combine, his draft stock will SOAR, and he will be a lock for the 1st round, and maybe top 15, so lets wait and see what happens.

scar988
12-28-2007, 09:15 AM
This guy is going to drop some serious jaw's at the combine, show great hands, will measure up close to 6-3 (id say.....6-2 1/2) weigh between 215-220 (id say....217) vertical about 36-38, run good (for his size, not for a twirp like desean jackson) agility times (will blow the doors off of sweed & bowman), and be drafted.......20-32 (should be 5-15, but due to his skin condition the NFL will haveeee to hold that against him..lol) On a serious note, lets say he runs a 4.4 flat...do you think he is a top 15 pick then?

no. because he would have to do better on his COD drills. if the knock on him is change of direction and poor route running. then he has to prove he has beeter COD than he shows and improve his route running. because as of right now, he isn't a first day guy. if you are a first day guy right now you aren't getting drafted in the first 15 guaranteed. HE JUST ISNT A TOP 100 TALENT!

BUSTKUNTLAWL
12-28-2007, 07:40 PM
Weren't you the guy that insisted for a year that Ko Simpson was a top 10 pick and if he wasn't going to Atlanta in a mock draft it was a horrendous mock draft? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Did anyone actually expect him to answer this?

BamaFalcon59
12-28-2007, 07:51 PM
I'd exchange one of the offensive tackles for a runningback. We have no running game.

EdReedUnstoppable
12-28-2007, 08:15 PM
Thats a pretty terrible draft for the Ravens.

Crickett
12-28-2007, 08:56 PM
This guy is going to drop some serious jaw's at the combine, show great hands, will measure up close to 6-3 (id say.....6-2 1/2) weigh between 215-220 (id say....217) vertical about 36-38, run good (for his size, not for a twirp like desean jackson) agility times (will blow the doors off of sweed & bowman), and be drafted.......20-32 (should be 5-15, but due to his skin condition the NFL will haveeee to hold that against him..lol) On a serious note, lets say he runs a 4.4 flat...do you think he is a top 15 pick then?


I know.
He's going to bench 225 eight hundred thousand times.
He's going to catch passes thrown at opposite sidelines at the same time.
He's going to make opposing cornerbacks do a double take as he flies by them. No, I don't mean run really fast, I meah he's going to take flight, catch passes in midair and gently land in the endzone.
He's going to build the Jets and Giants a new stadium. Single handedly. Then he is going to carry it to New Jersey. All in fifteen minutes.