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BeerBaron
12-28-2007, 07:55 PM
I tried my best with it using feedback from my last mock. The orders of rounds 2 and 3 might not be perfect but i contend that they are close enough to get the point accross. Also, come the very end, i was putting down players more for thier position than the player himself so don't freak out too much if I have a good idea on the position but a bad one on the player towards the end of round 3....

I tried to make it look a little different so i listed the team and all their picks as well in that order

As always, enjoy, and try to keep the criticism civil (eyes the falcons fans...)

Miami Dolphins:
Round 1, pick 1: DT Glenn Dorsey
Round 2, pick 1: OT Chris Williams, Vandy
Round 2, pick 25: S Craig Steltz, LSU
Round 3, pick 1: MLB J Leman, Illinois

Parcells seems like he will want to get out of that first spot badly but i don't see anyone teams below him will value that highly to trade up for unless his former team, the cowboys, really want to sling together a package for McFadden. So, stuck there, he goes with Dorsey who is the best defensive player in the draft and will likely be made to fit just about any scheme. Then they draft an OT in round 2 to keep whoever they get playing QB on his feet. They then bring in some more defense help with their final 2 picks in the first 3 rounds.


St. Louis Rams:
Round 1, pick 2: DE Chris Long, Virginia
Round 2, pick 4: WR Harry Douglas, Louisville
Round 3, pick 3: QB Chad Henne, Michigan

With their first pick, they really add some help to their porous D with a versatile end in Chris Long. With Isaac Bruce possibly at the end of his career, they bring in a quality WR in round 2 to begin developing behind Holt and Bennett. The injury to Bulger this year showed just how vulnerable they are on offense without him so they snag a decent QB in round 3 in Henne to develop as backup and maybe end up with a Matt Schaub type of situation a few years down the road.


NY Jets:
Round 1, pick 3: HB Darren McFadden, Arkansas
Round 2. pick 2: DT Frank Okam, Texas
Round 3, pick 4: OT Carl Nicks, Nebraska

In round 1, they take perhaps the best player in the draft in McFadden to give them a huge offensive spark and who can be paired with Thomas Jones for a lethal one-two punch. Since Dewayne Robertson hasn't been effective inside in the 34, they nab a huge NT in Okam to hopefully secure that spot. Then in round 3, they snag another tackle to play on the other side of the line from Ferguson and hopefully help to open up holes for their first round pick.


Atlanta Falcons:
Round 1, pick 4: QB Matt Ryan, BC
Round 2, pick 3: OT Tony Hills, Texas
Round 2, pick 15: OLB Phillip Wheeler, Georgia Tech
Round 3, pick 2: HB Tashard Choice, Georgia Tech

No team has a more gashing, ugly, and bitter need than do the Falcons at QB, thats why Matt Ryan is the one and only choice they can possibly go with here. (Falcons fans: http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/blog/wrightstuff.html so shut it) Then then address their atrocious OT situation in round 2 where they get a big one in Tony Hills. Then, with houstons pick, they bring some badly needed depth to their linebacking corps with an in state product in Phillip Wheeler. Finally, in round 3, they address their HB situation where Warrick Dunn isn't getting any younger and there's no evidence of Jerious Norwood being able to shoulder the load himself.


Kansas City Chiefs:
Round 1, pick 5: OT Jake Long, Michigan
Round 2, pick 7: CB Trae Williams, South Fla.
Round 3, pick 6: WR DJ Hall, Alabama

Their once great o-line no longer exists and in order to make holes for LJ, they take the best lineman available in Jake Long. In round 2, they shoot some youth into their CB corps with Trae Williams. Then, in round 3, they bring in a WR to help take some of the pressure off of whoever the QB ends up being and also to free up last years first rounder Dwayne Bowe as well.


Oakland Raiders:
Round 1, pick 6: DE Vernon Gholston, Ohio St.
Round 2, pick 5: WR Keenan Burton, Kentucky

They bring some much needed help to their D-line in round 1 with the top pass rusher available and then in round 2, they bring in a target for last years first rounder to throw at with no other real top quality receivers around.


Baltimore Ravens:
Round 1, pick 7: QB Andre Woodson, Kentucky
Round 2, pick 6: CB Terrell Thomas, USC

Steve McNairs past his prime, Kyle Bollers no more than a career backup at best, and Troy Smith hasn't shown enough to be relied upon going into next season, so they go with the QB who has the most upside in Andre Woodson in round 1. Then in round 2, they bring some quality depth to their secondary where, beyond Rolle and McCallister, they have no one worthwhile.


New England Patriots:
Round 1, pick 8: MLB James Laurenitis, Ohio St.
Round 2, pick 32: CB Tracy Porter, Indiana
Round 3, pick 7: OG Kerry Brown, App. St.
Round 3, pick 32: WR Jordy Nelson, Kansas St.

Even without one of their first rounders, they have a lot of picks. With their first rounder, they score a MLB who will work into their LB rotation right away and will be the long term successor to Bruschi. In round 2, they grab a CB who fits their scheme perfectly and will be insurance for the loss of Asante Samuel. With the first of thier 3rd rounders, they nab a small school lineman to add depth to their oline and a productive if unspectacular WR to add to their high powered attack.


Cincinnati Bengals:
Round 1, pick 9: OLB Dan Conner, Penn St.
Round 2, pick 12: DT Demario Pressley, NC St.
Round 3, pick 11: WR Will Franklin, Missouri

The Bengals LB got so bad this year they actually put 270+ pound DE Robert Geathers back there at one point. LB is a huge area of need and Dan Conner is a good guy and a sure tackler, 2 things the Bengals sorely need right now. In round 2, they address their porous d-line with a guy from a school whose churned out many top notch NFL d-lineman. Then, with Chad Johnson's future up in the air, they bring in a WR as insurance.


Denver Broncos:
Round 1, pick 10: OLB Keith Rivers, USC
Round 2, pick 9: FS Thomas DeCloud, Cal.
Round 3, pick 12: OT Oniel Cousins, UTEP

DJ Williams is the only worthwhile LB that exists in Denver and they surround him with some help in round 1. In round 2, the bring some help to their secondary with a new young safety. In round 3, they bring in a smaller, athletic lineman that will fit nicely into their zone blocking scheme.


Carolina Panthers:
Round 1, pick 11: S Kenny Phillips, Miami
Round 2, pick 10: QB Colt Brennan, Hawaii
Round 3: pick 9: WR Lavelle Hawkins, Cal.

While a QB is a huge need here, John Fox will want a player who can help him win now and keep his job and Phillips definitally does that. As a trade off, the team takes Colt Brennan in round 2 as the future QB of the team. Then, in round 3, they pick up another WR to try and compliment Steve Smith since it seems like last years second round pick, Dwayne Jarrett, is still busy running his 40....


Chicago Bears:
Round 1, pick 12: OT Jeff Otah, Pitt
Round 2, pick 11: DT Kentwan Balmer, NC
Round 3, pick 10: QB Joe Flacco, Delaware
Round 3, pick 24: OG Jordan Grimes, Purdue

Fred Miller has become abhorrent so replacing him at RT is the #1 priority. Otah will not only do that, but can be developed to take over at LT a few years down the line as well. After Tommie Harris, the Bears have next to nothing good at DT so they opt for the athletic underachiever Balmer in round 2. With the first of their 3rd round picks, they snag an all important QB to develop a behind Orton and/or a FA in Joe Flacco. Finally, they add some depth at G with Jordan Grimes.


Arizona Cardinals:
Round 1, pick 13: CB Malcolm Jenkins, Ohio St.
Round 2, pick 18: DE Quentin Groves, Auburn
Round 3: pick 17: HB Allen Patrick, Oklahoma

They would be happy with either Jenkins at CB but opt to go with the one from a school with a track record of success in Malcolm. They follow up with another improvement to their defense in round 2 with the versatile Groves who can play OLB in the 34 if they opt to stick with that or play DE in a 43. Finally, they nab a HB in round 3 to split time with, backup, and possibly succeed Edge James.


New Orleans Saints:
Round 1, pick 14: CB Mike Jenkins, South Fla.
Round 2, pick 13: MLB Jonathan Goff, Vandy
Round 3, pick 18: TE Martin Rucker, Missouri

Mike McKenzie is old and hurt and Jason David has been a FA bust, so CB is a huge need for them and Mike Jenkins might be the best of the draft. In round 2, they fill their 2nd biggest need in a MLB with Goff who has a lot of potential. In the 3rd round, they get another target for Drew Brees to throw in Rucker.


Buffalo Bills:
Round 1, pick 15: WR Malcolm Kelly, Oklahoma
Round 2, pick 14: TE John Carlson, Notre Dame
Round 3, pick 5: OLB Beau Bell, UNLV
Round 3, pick 13: CB/S Zach Bowman, Nebraska

They nab a bigger receiver to help them out in the red zone and distract coverage away from big play threat Lee Evans in round 1 with Kelly. In round 2, the look to offense again and pick the perhaps the best TE of the class in Carlson. With the first of their 2 3rd rounders, they nab some LB depth in Bell and also depth in their secondary with Bowman with their 2nd pick.


Houston Texans:
Round 1, pick 16: HB Jonathan Stewart, Oregon
Round 3, pick 14: OT Heath Benedict, Newberry

Ahman Green and Ron Dayne are getting old and are backups at best now, so they get maybe the 2nd best back in the draft in Stewart to shoulder their load. In round 3, they bring help to their ever in need o-line with small school prospect Benedict.


Detroit Lions:
Round 1, pick 17: OT Ryan Clady, Boise St.
Round 2, pick 16, CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Tenn St.
Round 3, pick 15: OLB Erza Butler, Nevada

They've given up the most sacks in the NFL so that right there tells you their biggest need and they address it with Clady in the first round. Their 2nd biggest need has to be corner and they score DR-C in round 2 in hopes he's going to follow in the steps of Mathis, Tillman and the like as a small school corner who succeeds in the NFL. Finally, they grab some much needed depth at LB with Butler in the 3rd.


Philadelphia Eagles:
Round 1, pick 18: WR Desean Jackson, Cal.
Round 2, pick 17: OLB Ali Highsmith, LSU
Round 3, pick 16: OG Andrew Crummey, Maryland

They nab a playmaker and return specialist, both of which are sorely needed, in round 1 in Jackson. In round 2, with Takeo Spikes getting older, they grab some depth and perhaps his replacement in Highsmith. Finally, they add some much needed depth to their o-line with the pick of Crummey in the third.


Minnesota Vikings:
Round 1, pick 19: DE Calais Campbell, Miami
Round 2, pick 20: WR Earl Bennett, Vandy
Round 3, pick 19: S Marcus Griffin, Texas

While you can make a case for QB or WR in round 1, Childress doesn't like to go there so instead they give their defense some more punch by adding a DE to their pro-bowl DT's with Campbell. They grab a much needed WR in round 2 with Earl Bennett and, in round 3, they get some secondary help in Griffin.


Washington Redskins:
Round 1, pick 20: DT Sedrick Ellis, USC
Round 2, pick 19: DE Lawrence Jackson, USC
Round 3, pick 20: OT Barry Richardson, Clemson

Their d-line, which many expected them to fix last year, gets some major upgrades via USC in their first 2 picks with Ellis and Jackson. In round 3, they add some depth to their o-line as well in Richardson.


Tennessee Titans:
Round 1, pick 21: DE Derrick Harvey, Florida
Round 2, pick 23: WR Limus Sweed, Texas
Round 3, pick 21: DT Red Bryant, Texas A&M

They add a speed rusher to line up opposite from Vanden Bosch in round 1 with Harvey. They then give VY a big, familiar target to throw to in Sweed in round 2. Finally, they add some insurance in case of losing Haynesworth in the form of Bryant.


Dallas Cowboys:
Round 1, pick 22: CB Leondis McKelvin, Troy
Round 1, pick 31: HB Felix Jones, Arkansas
Round 2, pick 31: WR Andre Caldwell, Florida
Round 3, pick 30: MLB Ben Moffit, USC

They certainly have the ammunition to make a run at McFadden if they want to but after adding secondary help in McKelvin, they bring in another Hog HB in Felix Jones with their 2nd first rounder. In round 2, they add a young WR to develop behind the aging Owens in Caldwell. Finally, they bring in some LB depth and special teams help in Moffit in round 3.


Tampa Bay Buccaneers:
Round 1, pick 23: QB Brian Brohm, Louisville
Round 2, pick 21, DT Marcus Harrison, Arkansas
Round 3, pick 22: WR Mario Urrutia, Louisville

Brohm continues the tradition of big name QB's tumbling down the first round and the Bucs happily snatch him up to develop behind Garcia for a few years. They solve some problems with their interior D-line in round 2 with the Harrison pick then. In round 3, they get Brohm a familiar target to develop behind Galloway and Hilliard in the talented but unpolished Urrutia.


Seattle Seahawks:
Round 1, pick 24: OT Sam Baker, USC
Round 2, pick 27: HB Mike Hart, Michigan
Round 3, pick 26: S Jonathan Hefney, Tennessee

They get immediate help to their o-line, and a future replacement to the great Walter Jones, in round 1 with the selection of Baker. In round 2, they get the future replacement of, and current backup to, Alexander by picking Mike Hart. Then in round 3, they get some secondary help in Hefney.


Pittsburgh Steelers:
Round 1, pick 25: WR Early Doucet, LSU
Round 2: pick 24: OG Roy Schuening, Oregon St.
Round 3, pick 27: DE Kendall Langford, Hampton

While Santonio Holmes is starting to become a star, Hines Ward isn't getting any younger so they reel in Doucet in round 1. With Faneca likely to be lost as a FA, they bring in his replacement in Schuening in round 2. Then in round 3, after seeing how important Aaron Smith is to their run D, they pick a huge DE to back him up in Langford.


San Diego Chargers:
Round 1, pick 26: OT Gosder Cherilius, BC

With their only pick in the first 3 rounds, the fairly solid Chargers address their one flaw at RT with the selection of Cherilius which will allow for Olivea to be moved inside to guard or out of the line altogether.


NY Giants:
Round 1, pick 27, CB Antoine Cason, Arizona
Round 2, pick 26: OLB Shawn Crable, Michigan
Round 3, pick 25: QB John David Booty, USC

They add some youth to their secondary to help eliminate the aging Madison and McQuarters in the playmaking Cason. In round 2, they fix their second biggest weakness by adding Crable. Then, in round 3, they add a QB who, at worst will be a capable backup to Eli and at best, his potential replacement if he doesn't step up his game.


Jacksonville Jaguars:
Round 1, pick 28: WR Adarius Bowman, Ok St.
Round 2: CB Charles Godfrey, Iowa
Round 3: S Tom Zbikowski, Notre Dame

While Jag fans might not want to hear it, they need another WR where Reggie Williams may yet still prove worthwhile but the rest have fizzled out. They also help out their secondary with the picks of Godfrey and Zbikowki in rounds 2 and 3.


Green Bay Packers:
Round 1, pick 29: CB Aquib Talib, Kansas
Round 2, pick 29: OLB Tavares Gooden, Miami
Round 3, pick 29: DE Tommy Blake, TCU

They add a flood of talent to their defense with these 3 picks. Talib will help to phase out one of their aging corners in the future while Gooden will provide depth and may even become their third starter next to Barnett and Hawk. Blake is a luxury pick for them and is a 1st round talent at a 3rd round price.


San Francisco 49ers:
Round 1, pick 30: WR Mario Manningham, Michigan
Round 2, pick 8: OG Eric Young, Tennessee
Round 3, pick 8: C Steve Justice, Wake Forrest

The niners WR corps has disappointed this year and they help to improve it by the addition of Manningham. They also add to to last years first rounder Joe Staley with their 2nd and 3rd round picks this year with a new G and C.


Cleveland Browns:
Round 2, pick 22: HB Matt Forte, Tulane
Round 3, pick 21: DE Andre Fluellen, Florida St.

Even if Jamal Lewis is brought back, he's no spring chicken so a top back is needed and they get one in round 2 with Forte. D-line depth is also an issue so they take DT/DE tweener Fluellen in round 3.


Indianapolis Colts:
Round 2, pick 30: OLB Xavier Adibi, V Tech
Round 3, pick 30: TE Fred Davis, USC

Adibi is the perfect Tony Dungy OLB and they snap him right up in round 2. As insurance in case of the loss of Dallas Clark, and just as good depth in general, the take USC TE Fred Davis in round 3.

MasterShake
12-28-2007, 08:06 PM
Niners don't need a Guard and Center that early in the draft.

Look more towards 3-4 DL and OLB. WR is obviously a need.

BamaFalcon59
12-28-2007, 08:09 PM
I'm not going to argue that Ryan is a horrible pick, because noone will listen.

Hills doesn't fit our new direction of 'big' offensive lineman.

Wheeler is a weak-side linebacker, we drafted Stephen Nicholas last year to be the future at that position.

Choice is eh.

Bills2083
12-28-2007, 08:09 PM
I wouldn't mind that Bills draft...

Don Killuminati
12-28-2007, 08:10 PM
Oakland Raiders:
Round 1, pick 6: DE Vernon Gholston, Ohio St.
Round 2, pick 5: WR Keenan Burton, Kentucky

They bring some much needed help to their D-line in round 1 with the top pass rusher available and then in round 2, they bring in a target for last years first rounder to throw at with no other real top quality receivers around.
Gholston good. Burton Bad.

regoob2
12-28-2007, 08:15 PM
I don't like the Balmer pick he adds nothing but depth and would never be anything more than a roation guy, there's a lot of positons where we could use a starter and I'd rather address one of those positions before adding a 5th or 6th DT. I'm fine with all the other picks.

EdReedUnstoppable
12-28-2007, 08:19 PM
If we're gonna take a QB then Woodson is the best, and I like the Thomas pick though there are other CBs I prefer over him.

BeerBaron
12-28-2007, 08:26 PM
I don't like the Balmer pick he adds nothing but depth and would never be anything more than a roation guy, there's a lot of positons where we could use a starter and I'd rather address one of those positions before adding a 5th or 6th DT. I'm fine with all the other picks.

5th or 6th? he immediatley becomes #2

regoob2
12-28-2007, 08:34 PM
5th or 6th? he immediatley becomes #2

he does not have the size to play NT and I hope we wouldn't use a 2nd round pick on a second stringer at best.

Caddy
12-28-2007, 08:36 PM
Beyond Brian Brohm, the Buccaneer draft is less than satisfactory. Harrison is not a legitimate solution at DT and I can't see him going within the first 2 rounds of the draft. Urrutia is a terrible pick and is exactly the type of receiver we already have in Tampa Bay. Tampa doesn't need anymore tall, slow receivers.

neko4
12-28-2007, 08:37 PM
Packers have zero need for an end

Diehard
12-28-2007, 09:17 PM
Denver Broncos:
Round 1, pick 10: OLB Keith Rivers, USC
Round 2, pick 9: FS Thomas DeCloud, Cal.
Round 3, pick 12: OT Oniel Cousins, UTEP


I don't see Denver passing on Phillips, particularly if they want OLB and FS with their first two picks. There will be plenty of solid OLB's available in round 2.

I believe Minnesota has Denver's 3rd rounder.

Babylon
12-28-2007, 09:18 PM
I really like the look, makes it easier to gauge multiple picks. New England gets a whole lot better. Jordy Nelson unspectacular? you're such a kidder.

etk
12-28-2007, 09:27 PM
Beyond Brian Brohm, the Buccaneer draft is less than satisfactory. Harrison is not a legitimate solution at DT and I can't see him going within the first 2 rounds of the draft. Urrutia is a terrible pick and is exactly the type of receiver we already have in Tampa Bay. Tampa doesn't need anymore tall, slow receivers.

Stovall and Clayton are actually pretty fast, but yeah, we don't need any more big possession receivers. We also don't need any first round QBs, but I like the Harrison pick other than the fact that it's a reach.

BeerBaron
12-28-2007, 09:30 PM
Packers have zero need for an end

to get a first round talent in round 3 is pretty amazing. imagine the depth and rotations youd have. plus, as a bears fan i hate to say this, but the packers are pretty set all around

BeerBaron
12-28-2007, 09:31 PM
Beyond Brian Brohm, the Buccaneer draft is less than satisfactory. Harrison is not a legitimate solution at DT and I can't see him going within the first 2 rounds of the draft. Urrutia is a terrible pick and is exactly the type of receiver we already have in Tampa Bay. Tampa doesn't need anymore tall, slow receivers.

the only tampa WR's i can name off the top of my head are galloway, hilliard and clayton.

i dont know how much longer they keep clayton around and last i checked, galloway and hilliard weren't exactly tall and slow....

BeerBaron
12-28-2007, 09:32 PM
I really like the look, makes it easier to gauge multiple picks. New England gets a whole lot better. Jordy Nelson unspectacular? you're such a kidder.

look, i dont know what people find so bad about nelson. I know he had a great season and if you cant tell by my sig, im hoping he falls in the draft so the bears can snag him late.

the only explanation is that ive heard hes slow and i guess thatll be solved once and for all at the combine

BeerBaron
12-28-2007, 09:33 PM
I don't see Denver passing on Phillips, particularly if they want OLB and FS with their first two picks. There will be plenty of solid OLB's available in round 2.

I believe Minnesota has Denver's 3rd rounder.

It's possible but the source i looked at only had these trades in the third round:

"Third round

* Chargers to Bears. San Diego traded their third-round selection in the 2008 Draft to the Chicago Bears, as well as the 62nd, 93rd, and 167th overall selections in the 2007 Draft (used to select Dan Bazuin, Garrett Wolfe and Kevin Payne, respectively) in exchange for the 37th overall selection in the 2007 Draft (used to select Eric Weddle).[5]
* Raiders to Patriots. Oakland traded their third-round selection in the 2008 Draft to New England, as well as the 211th overall selection in the 2007 Draft (used to select Oscar Lua) in exchange for the 91st overall selection in the 2007 Draft (used to select Mario Henderson).[8]
* Ravens to Bills. The Baltimore Ravens traded their third-round selection in the 2008 Draft to the Buffalo Bills, as well as the 92nd and 239th overall selections in the 2007 Draft (used to select Trent Edwards and C. J. Ah You, respectively) in exchange for Willis McGahee.[9]"

BeerBaron
12-28-2007, 09:37 PM
he does not have the size to play NT and I hope we wouldn't use a 2nd round pick on a second stringer at best.

in that defense i bet urlacher could move up and play nose tackle.

Once bulked up from a pro offseason or two, with his frame, he will probably be close to tank johnsons attributes.

Furthermore, i dont see any other positions the bears need at that pick that i really like. unless brennans still around, theres no QB. We just spent a 3rd rounder last year on wolfe and its way too early to give up on benson to go RB there anyway. Unless Jordy Nelson really goes ape-feces at the combine and his stock blasts up, theres no receivers that i like. and its a bad safety class IMO and theres none there that i like.

BeerBaron
12-28-2007, 09:40 PM
Hills doesn't fit our new direction of 'big' offensive lineman.



how do you know the new coach is going to still be looking in that direction?

plus you forget, a pro style workout all year round is going to add a good deal of bulk.

Babylon
12-28-2007, 09:42 PM
look, i dont know what people find so bad about nelson. I know he had a great season and if you cant tell by my sig, im hoping he falls in the draft so the bears can snag him late.

the only explanation is that ive heard hes slow and i guess thatll be solved once and for all at the combine


Was actually trying to display a sense of humor. I actually think Nelson is either 1st or 2nd on the list of wideouts for the draft.

Dam8610
12-28-2007, 09:47 PM
I like Adibi, but the Colts have 4 capable LBs 27 or younger in Gary Brackett, Tyjuan Hagler, Freddy Keiaho, and Clint Session (the latter 3, all OLBs, are 25 or younger). LB is far from a 2nd round need.

Yung Flippa
12-28-2007, 09:50 PM
Terrell Thomas is a solid pick, and Andre Woodson is okay.

Caddy
12-28-2007, 09:53 PM
the only tampa WR's i can name off the top of my head are galloway, hilliard and clayton.

i dont know how much longer they keep clayton around and last i checked, galloway and hilliard weren't exactly tall and slow....

Clayton and Stovall are tall.

Clayton, Stovall and Hilliard are slow.

Tampa needs the Desean Jackson, Dorien Bryant, Harry Douglas, Andre Caldwell type. Not the Urrutia type.

Canadian_draft_fan
12-28-2007, 09:57 PM
Good draft for the Skins - O and Dline heavy. 50/50 on Sedrick Ellis but Jackson & Richardson are good picks. The reason I'm not so on hot on Ellis is that the Skins already have a good DT rotation with Griffin, Montgomery and Golston. Ellis is a good player but limited as an inside pass rusher in the Skins scheme. Not a great value for the #1 pick. In your scenario the best CB available might be another option for the #1 pick (depending on Spring's situation).

Personally i hope the Skins don't go WR with their #1 pick. But it's the Skins so you never know.

BeerBaron
12-28-2007, 10:03 PM
Was actually trying to display a sense of humor. I actually think Nelson is either 1st or 2nd on the list of wideouts for the draft.

i know, sorry if i came off sounding mean or something, i wasnt trying to be.

i just find it interesting that the vast majority of people seem to have jordy graded real real high yet when you hear from the real 'experts' hes no better than a late round pick and the only weakness they seem to site is his speed.

BeerBaron
12-28-2007, 10:04 PM
I like Adibi, but the Colts have 4 capable LBs 27 or younger in Gary Brackett, Tyjuan Hagler, Freddy Keiaho, and Clint Session (the latter 3, all OLBs, are 25 or younger). LB is far from a 2nd round need.

brackett and keiaho ill buy, but I doubt the other 2 are starter quality and rob morris will need replaced eventually

BeerBaron
12-28-2007, 10:05 PM
Good draft for the Skins - O and Dline heavy. 50/50 on Sedrick Ellis but Jackson & Richardson are good picks. The reason I'm not so on hot on Ellis is that the Skins already have a good DT rotation with Griffin, Montgomery and Golston. Ellis is a good player but limited as an inside pass rusher in the Skins scheme. Not a great value for the #1 pick. In your scenario the best CB available might be another option for the #1 pick (depending on Spring's situation).

Personally i hope the Skins don't go WR with their #1 pick. But it's the Skins so you never know.

I agree that I doubt theyd go receiver. I had them take ellis in round 1 because they just missed out on campbell and i thought derrick harvey fit even worse for them

regoob2
12-28-2007, 10:18 PM
in that defense i bet urlacher could move up and play nose tackle.

Once bulked up from a pro offseason or two, with his frame, he will probably be close to tank johnsons attributes.

Furthermore, i dont see any other positions the bears need at that pick that i really like. unless brennans still around, theres no QB. We just spent a 3rd rounder last year on wolfe and its way too early to give up on benson to go RB there anyway. Unless Jordy Nelson really goes ape-feces at the combine and his stock blasts up, theres no receivers that i like. and its a bad safety class IMO and theres none there that i like.

Ya but we have solid depth at NT and he is not a nose tackle. I don't feel like looking through every teams picks but we could upgrade a lot of other positions, I just to think he would be a good pick at that spot.

BeerBaron
12-28-2007, 10:24 PM
Ya but we have solid depth at NT and he is not a nose tackle. I don't feel like looking through every teams picks but we could upgrade a lot of other positions, I just to think he would be a good pick at that spot.

its understandable, everyones entitles to their opinion.

but i stand by mine in that i dont think theres any position on the bears open that can be definitely improved by that pick other than DT.

maybe somewhere else on the oline but im wary of having 2 rookies start if they go that way in round 1.

Babylon
12-28-2007, 10:26 PM
i know, sorry if i came off sounding mean or something, i wasnt trying to be.

i just find it interesting that the vast majority of people seem to have jordy graded real real high yet when you hear from the real 'experts' hes no better than a late round pick and the only weakness they seem to site is his speed.


The real "experts" are the scouts and GMs that make the picks, people who do mocks are intitled to their own opinions and some have better success rates than others but really all they're doing is guessing.

thebow305
12-29-2007, 12:55 AM
ok phins draft, not very exciting though. not a huge fan of steltz but dorsey, williams, and j leman are good.

You're crazy though if you don't think Parcells will nab either a corner or pass rushing specialist with one of our first four picks.

Dam8610
12-29-2007, 12:55 AM
brackett and keiaho ill buy, but I doubt the other 2 are starter quality and rob morris will need replaced eventually

So all the games they've started this season while helping to allow the 4th fewest points in the NFL haven't convinced you?

TitanHope
12-29-2007, 04:49 AM
Tennessee Titans:
Round 1, pick 21: DE Derrick Harvey, Florida
Round 2, pick 23: WR Limus Sweed, Texas
Round 3, pick 21: DT Red Bryant, Texas A&M

They add a speed rusher to line up opposite from Vanden Bosch in round 1 with Harvey. They then give VY a big, familiar target to throw to in Sweed in round 2. Finally, they add some insurance in case of losing Haynesworth in the form of Bryant.

I hate to sound harsh, but that would be a terrible Draft for the Titans. You also list the Browns and Titans having the same 3rd RD, Pick 21. And I can't suggest better picks as it's too inconvenient to search through the teams, and see who's available. Not very user friendly.

In the 1st RD, Harvey would be very bad. DE is a pending need, and we'll likely come into the Draft with Kyle Vanden Bosch, Bryce Fisher, Jacob Ford, and Antwan Odom/Travis Laboy pending on who we sign. Vanden Bosch is our RE, and though he can play both DE positions, he is dominant at RE next to Fat Al. It would be stupid to switch him. So Harvey either is placed at LE, or is a situational pass-rusher on passing downs. I think he's either a RE in a Cover 2, and OLB in a 3-4, or a situational pass-rusher in a 4-3. We run a 4-3, so a sole pass-rusher isn't worth a 1st RD pick. Not to mention LaBoy and Ford are pass-rushers. Plus, the Titans haven't selected a DE in the 1st RD since Jevon Kearse. If we need depth, we can fill it later in the Draft.

Limas Sweed is ok, but I only like Sweed due to the Young/Sweed/Texas connection. We have a WR like him already on roster in Justin Gage, so he wouldn't be anything new. Our WR need is either the prototypical #1 WR, or a speedy WR who can get separation. Sweed is not that, but his value is good.

Red Bryant is bad too. In our defense, we can't just plug in massive bodies to fill in space. They just don't work in our defense. That just shows how big of an anomoly Haynesworth is, as he is huge and athletic enough for our scheme. I don't think Bryant fits our gap scheme, and the only DT that I think does is Dre Moore.

Scotty D
12-29-2007, 05:42 AM
Solid Lions draft. Millen is scared of small school players though. Even though I'd love Cromartie.

Jakey
12-29-2007, 06:02 AM
Good Steelers picks...good reasoning for the picks. Although i have a feeling that we move Willie Colon to guard, and draft a tackle. But Shuening would still be a good replacement for Kendall Simmons in a few years. A-

jdb1972
12-29-2007, 09:26 AM
Carolina's draft is probably all wrong.

They've taken a grand total of one safety first day under Fox and Hurney, and he was taken to be moved to LB (Thomas Davis). The regime seems to love putting cheap veteran retreads back there.

They've never taken a QB first day under Fox/Hurney, and they have at least three QBs under contract for next year, two of whom they're pretty high on (Moore, Basanez) and the third a Pro Bowler (Delhomme). There's no need there, at least not from the draft.

WR on the first day is a possibility. They're losing their #2 and #3 guys, and Jarrett has yet to begin to develop.

Meanwhile, they will also have holes at OT (both starters are FAs), G (RG has been a worthless spot all year, and Wahle on the left may be a cap casualty), DE (Rucker will be gone and Peppers... eh, you know), DT (at least one of the starters will be a cap casualty, and the #3 and #4 guys are UFAs), RB (Foster will be gone, and Williams isn't an every down back), etc.

BeerBaron
12-29-2007, 09:55 AM
I hate to sound harsh, but that would be a terrible Draft for the Titans. You also list the Browns and Titans having the same 3rd RD, Pick 21. And I can't suggest better picks as it's too inconvenient to search through the teams, and see who's available. Not very user friendly.

In the 1st RD, Harvey would be very bad. DE is a pending need, and we'll likely come into the Draft with Kyle Vanden Bosch, Bryce Fisher, Jacob Ford, and Antwan Odom/Travis Laboy pending on who we sign. Vanden Bosch is our RE, and though he can play both DE positions, he is dominant at RE next to Fat Al. It would be stupid to switch him. So Harvey either is placed at LE, or is a situational pass-rusher on passing downs. I think he's either a RE in a Cover 2, and OLB in a 3-4, or a situational pass-rusher in a 4-3. We run a 4-3, so a sole pass-rusher isn't worth a 1st RD pick. Not to mention LaBoy and Ford are pass-rushers. Plus, the Titans haven't selected a DE in the 1st RD since Jevon Kearse. If we need depth, we can fill it later in the Draft.

Limas Sweed is ok, but I only like Sweed due to the Young/Sweed/Texas connection. We have a WR like him already on roster in Justin Gage, so he wouldn't be anything new. Our WR need is either the prototypical #1 WR, or a speedy WR who can get separation. Sweed is not that, but his value is good.

Red Bryant is bad too. In our defense, we can't just plug in massive bodies to fill in space. They just don't work in our defense. That just shows how big of an anomoly Haynesworth is, as he is huge and athletic enough for our scheme. I don't think Bryant fits our gap scheme, and the only DT that I think does is Dre Moore.

well, like i said at the beginning, that picks of the 2nd and 3rd rounds might not be perfect because i couldn't find a definitive list of any other rounds but the first so i had to do it myself. my mistake.

i also said that late in the draft i was just trying to fill in positions and may not have attached the best names to em, but i think that even in haynesworth is franchised, a DT is a need because that would only hold up for a year

and you said what they wouldn't do with thier first rounder, alright. but what would they do with it?

BeerBaron
12-29-2007, 09:57 AM
Carolina's draft is probably all wrong.

They've taken a grand total of one safety first day under Fox and Hurney, and he was taken to be moved to LB (Thomas Davis). The regime seems to love putting cheap veteran retreads back there.

They've never taken a QB first day under Fox/Hurney, and they have at least three QBs under contract for next year, two of whom they're pretty high on (Moore, Basanez) and the third a Pro Bowler (Delhomme). There's no need there, at least not from the draft.

WR on the first day is a possibility. They're losing their #2 and #3 guys, and Jarrett has yet to begin to develop.

Meanwhile, they will also have holes at OT (both starters are FAs), G (RG has been a worthless spot all year, and Wahle on the left may be a cap casualty), DE (Rucker will be gone and Peppers... eh, you know), DT (at least one of the starters will be a cap casualty, and the #3 and #4 guys are UFAs), RB (Foster will be gone, and Williams isn't an every down back), etc.

well you said the organization hasnt gone S or QB on the first day well....maybe thats a sign of what they should be doing to actually get some success going.

BeerBaron
12-29-2007, 10:02 AM
So all the games they've started this season while helping to allow the 4th fewest points in the NFL haven't convinced you?

Well, after some research, theyre former 4th and 5th round picks who i hadn't heard much from before yesturday even with having watched a good number of colts games this year.

solid? ill buy it, i dont doubt it. you should know more than I.

could they be upgraded? probably

princefielder28
12-29-2007, 10:21 AM
good job w/ green bay

jdb1972
12-29-2007, 10:58 AM
well you said the organization hasnt gone S or QB on the first day well....maybe thats a sign of what they should be doing to actually get some success going.
Just telling you how it is. Up to you if you want your mock to sort of approximate reality or not.

The OUTLAW
12-29-2007, 12:37 PM
You make the worst Browns picks I've ever seen. I can virtually guarantee that the Browns take a defensive player in the second round and not reach for a player like Forte. They are way more likely to pursue a RB in free agency rather than ignore there most glaring need with their first pick.

TitanHope
12-29-2007, 12:41 PM
and you said what they wouldn't do with thier first rounder, alright. but what would they do with it?

Most people say WR, but like Toonster, I disagree. Where the Titans are picking, DeSean Jackson and Malcolm Kelly could be gone if both declare. Out of those two WR's, I don't think any other WR would bring a different dimention in the receiving game, aside for possibly Mario Manningham depending on his combine, etc. We have other needs beside from WR, so the value of another player could very well get the nod. We saw this last year when we drafted Michael Griffin over Dwayne Bowe, a WR who fit our offense perfectly.

Honestly, I think we go BPA according to moderate need. If the two WR's are gone, then they'll address the DL, TE, CB, and MLB accordingly with the offseason moves in FA, re-signing players, and the PacMan situation, which could very well require us to bring in a CB if the rumors about him being suspended for a 2nd season is true.

Also, I completely understand about just plugging in players according to position, but as a fellow mock maker, I like to know which players who fit well on a certain team and which don't.

Bobo
12-29-2007, 12:54 PM
A 1st round DE for the Titans sounds better to me if it's Gholston or Campbell. I'm not that high on Harvey.

Sweed would be ok in the 2nd. There's guys I would rather have, but it's hard to read who's still there.

I haven't seen Red Bryant but one time. That was last year and I don't really remember much from it. But it seems like he was more of a big plugger. Like TitanHope said, we need some athleticism for our DT's. And I also have to agree that Dre Moore seems to fit that bill.

nemesis3394
12-29-2007, 01:17 PM
good draft for the vikes...i especially like the griffin pick in the third

Twinblade
12-29-2007, 01:26 PM
Screw Matt "Rex Grossman" Ryan, I will boycott if the falcons draft him.

Young Legend
12-29-2007, 01:30 PM
Dre Moore in the second would be a better second round pick for the raiders..

regoob2
12-29-2007, 02:30 PM
Screw Matt "Rex Grossman" Ryan, I will boycott if the falcons draft him.

why do you keep saying that he's rex grossman? They are nothing alike other than they threw picks. A lot of QB's throw picks.

fenikz
12-29-2007, 02:39 PM
Good Cardinals mock, Patrick isn't exactly the highest on my RB list but he would be decent value in the 3rd

Dam8610
12-29-2007, 05:43 PM
Well, after some research, theyre former 4th and 5th round picks who i hadn't heard much from before yesturday even with having watched a good number of colts games this year.

solid? ill buy it, i dont doubt it. you should know more than I.

could they be upgraded? probably

Could other, more pressing things be upgraded with that pick? Yes.

Like you said, you haven't seen much of Hagler or Session, both have actually done really well for the Colts when called upon this year, and Hagler earned the starting SLB spot from Rob Morris BEFORE he went down for the year.

T-RICH49
12-29-2007, 06:20 PM
good KC draft and I really like the DJ Hall pick reunite Brodie with Hall

Crazy_Chris
12-29-2007, 06:33 PM
Nice Vikings Draft... Only 1 problem we also have Denver's 3rd round pick.

BeerBaron
12-30-2007, 07:59 PM
Nice Vikings Draft... Only 1 problem we also have Denver's 3rd round pick.

hmm..your the 2nd person whos said that. it didnt say that where i got the swapped picks list...

what did they get it for?

scar988
12-30-2007, 09:02 PM
Atlanta Falcons:
Round 1, pick 4: QB Matt Ryan, BC
Round 2, pick 3: OT Tony Hills, Texas
Round 2, pick 15: OLB Phillip Wheeler, Georgia Tech
Round 3, pick 2: HB Tashard Choice, Georgia Tech

No team has a more gashing, ugly, and bitter need than do the Falcons at QB, thats why Matt Ryan is the one and only choice they can possibly go with here. (Falcons fans: http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/blog/wrightstuff.html so shut it) Then then address their atrocious OT situation in round 2 where they get a big one in Tony Hills. Then, with houstons pick, they bring some badly needed depth to their linebacking corps with an in state product in Phillip Wheeler. Finally, in round 3, they address their HB situation where Warrick Dunn isn't getting any younger and there's no evidence of Jerious Norwood being able to shoulder the load himself.the blog is fuckign ******** and I already answered the stupid post where you used it. you don't get a QB when the guy you have as your starter has been playing exceptionally well. Chris Redman has a 2-1 TD-INT ratio. we have a need at QB yes, but it's not as dire and desperate as you make it out to be anymore. AND while I know I'll get the stupid but it's Chris Redman. you have to realize he has talent. at one time hewas a 3rd round pick and the Baltimore Ravens' starter. At #4 we get OT Jake Long.

in the 2nd I like Hills, but we do need a future QB starter. and I think we go with Brennan to sit for a year, learn the offense and then in 2009 be the starter.

in the 2nd pick b. I like Wheeler, andthink hewould be great ofr us at WLB or MLB.

in the 3rd, while I like Choice, I think we need to get a better player at a bigger need which will allow us to use who we have at RB (Norwood, Snelling and Dunn) n OT Barry Richardson. With Long and Richardson at the OT spots, and Blalock at the LG spot we will have a good OL for years to come.

go_ravens94
12-30-2007, 09:34 PM
If we're gonna take a QB then Woodson is the best, and I like the Thomas pick though there are other CBs I prefer over him.

Yeah. Maybe Brohm (if there) ahead of Woodson, but yeah, good 2nd.

BeerBaron
12-30-2007, 09:37 PM
Yeah. Maybe Brohm (if there) ahead of Woodson, but yeah, good 2nd.

brohm or woodson depends more on the situation i guess. im personally more of a woodson fan. i think he has the chance of being a star QB out of the 3 big ones in the draft

iloxygenil
12-30-2007, 11:29 PM
All I can say is I'm REALLY happy that the Falcons don't have the Jets picking in front of them now.

BamaFalcon59
12-31-2007, 01:44 AM
But Oakland might be picking ahead of us now. Same problem.

The Legend
12-31-2007, 02:01 AM
in the 3rd round for the packers i think it would be better to have a guard

619
12-31-2007, 02:50 AM
Suggesting Keenan Burton in the early second round is a bit of a reach would be an understatement. Cant go wrong with the first pick though.

BeerBaron
12-31-2007, 08:00 PM
Suggesting Keenan Burton in the early second round is a bit of a reach would be an understatement. Cant go wrong with the first pick though.

aye...this is a hard year to fill in receivers for. What few guys there are don't seem to fit in a lot of teams

The OUTLAW
12-31-2007, 10:02 PM
You can't even remotely convince me that a Browns fan told you they should take a RB. The pick of Forte is awful. He's a reach in the second round and the Browns biggest need is on the defensive line. NOT AT RUNNING BACK

Don Killuminati
12-31-2007, 10:26 PM
You saying that Jamal Lewis is a longterm solution at RB?

The OUTLAW
01-02-2008, 05:38 PM
Jamal doesn't have to be a longterm solution at running back for running back to not be the Browns biggest need. Fact is even if Jamal was only going to play one more year at least we'd have a good back for that time while at present we don't really have a longterm solution or even a short term solution at either end position on the defensive line.

RoyHall#1
01-02-2008, 05:47 PM
Jamal doesn't have to be a longterm solution at running back for running back to not be the Browns biggest need. Fact is even if Jamal was only going to play one more year at least we'd have a good back for that time while at present we don't really have a longterm solution or even a short term solution at either end position on the defensive line.

So you'd be happy if our 2nd and 3rd rounders are switched? I would be.

BeerBaron
01-02-2008, 06:22 PM
Jamal doesn't have to be a longterm solution at running back for running back to not be the Browns biggest need. Fact is even if Jamal was only going to play one more year at least we'd have a good back for that time while at present we don't really have a longterm solution or even a short term solution at either end position on the defensive line.

i think its rare that you find a stud, instant and long term starter in round 2 though.

plus, on a 34 line, if you can just stuff some big bodies in there, your run defense will be sured up somewhat. Its nice to have great players there, but even adequate late round players in a rotation should be an improvement.

go with the skill position early

The OUTLAW
01-02-2008, 10:11 PM
That type of logic is exactly why the Browns teams were crap for so long. They kept taking skill players and not improving in the trenches.

JT Jag
01-03-2008, 11:19 AM
The Jags draft is messed up.

1. Bowman is just another BSWO (Big Slow Wideout). We already have three.
2. We don't need another wide-out. As you mentioned, Reggie has broken out this year, Mike Walker is the future, and homg matt jones isz doingz goods
3. Zbikowski doesn't fit on this team, and I'll tell you why. The Jaguars only draft safeties that can play both free and strong safety. Zbikowsky, obviously, is purely an in-the-box type, and his boxing is a big red flag. Not because he might get injured boxing... but because he might give up football to box.
4. Continuing on this theme, safeties that DO fit on the Jags: Thomas DeCloud, Marcus Griffin and Jamar Adams. Just like I liked Michael Griffin, I also like his brother.
5. We really need a playmaker at defensive end.

urinemonkey
01-03-2008, 12:04 PM
very lackluster Broncos draft IMO. I really do not want them to take Rivers at #10, and DT (the biggest need), is not addressed at all.

A much better draft would be Phillips in the 1st, Okam in the 2nd. Denver traded its third round pick to the Vikings, by the way.

Vikes99ej
01-03-2008, 01:14 PM
Loving the Vikings draft. Grab two of our biggest needs. Griffin looks like a solid pick.

d34ng3l021
01-03-2008, 01:37 PM
Pretty terrible Falcons mock. I already have my issues with Matt Ryan, but picking Matt Ryan over Jake Long? No.

Tony Hills doesnt fit our scheme.

Wheeler is an OLB, and we dont need one. We need a MLB.

Choice is an okay pick.

johbur
01-03-2008, 09:18 PM
Solid draft for Green Bay. I personally don't like the third round DE, but KGB has not offered much after getting injured prior to the Cowboys game. There's still Kampman, Cullen Jenkins, Mike Montgomery and Jason Hunter at DE though. I'd rather see an R3 TE or SS, maybe an OL. That'd be a solid draft, particularly if they were going to trade KGB for a sixth rounder or so.

BaLLiN
01-03-2008, 09:45 PM
why would giants draft a QB that high?

BeerBaron
01-03-2008, 11:49 PM
why would giants draft a QB that high?

insurance at worst...possible replacement for eli if he doesn't continue to improve if neccassary. lets just say im not sure lorenzen is a legit #2 QB