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J-Kay
12-30-2007, 06:53 PM
1. Miami Dolphins
2. St. Louis Rams
3. New York Jets, Atlanta Falcons, Kansas City Chiefs, Oakland Raiders
7. Baltimore Ravens, New England Patriots (via San Francisco 49ers)
9. Buffalo Bills, Cincinnati Bengals, Denver Broncos, Detroit Lions, Chicago Bears, Carolina Panthers, New Orleans Saints
16. Arizona Cardinals, Minnesota Vikings, Philadelphia Eagles, Houston Texans
20. Tennessee Titans*
21. Washington Redskins, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
23. Seattle Seahawks, New York Giants, Dallas Cowboys (via Cleveland Browns), Pittsburgh Steelers
27. Jacksonville Jaguars, San Diego Chargers
29. San Francisco 49ers (Via Indianapolis Colts)*
30. Dallas Cowboys, Green Bay Packers
32. Forfeited (Patriots)

Anyone wanna do the strength of schedule tiebreakers?

NIN1984
12-30-2007, 06:59 PM
I heard Jets pick 6 and Raiders, Falcons and Chiefs are in a 3 way tie for the 3rd overall pick, not sure how NFL will work this one out.

RaiderNation420
12-30-2007, 07:00 PM
are the raiders 5th or 6th ?

If kc , atl and Oak are tied for SOS then what after that ? last years sos ?

RaiderNation420
12-30-2007, 07:02 PM
I heard Jets pick 6 and Raiders, Falcons and Chiefs are in a 3 way tie for the 3rd overall pick, not sure how NFL will work this one out.

well u can take it to the bank that the NFL will screw the raiders like always

fenikz
12-30-2007, 07:02 PM
here is the top 8

1. Dolphins
2. Rams
3. Raiders / Chiefs (depends on coin flip)
5. Falcons / Jets (depends on coin flip)
7. Patriots(via 49ers)
8. Ravens

if anyone knows a site with SOS i will do the rest

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 07:04 PM
You sure that's how it is?

RaiderNation420
12-30-2007, 07:06 PM
you need last years SOS or this years ?

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 07:07 PM
The SOS of the season that just ended.

fenikz
12-30-2007, 07:07 PM
You sure that's how it is?

no, just trying to figure everything out as i go

RaiderNation420
12-30-2007, 07:08 PM
3. Oakland/Kansas City/Atlanta - all have 132 wins .515 SOS.
6. New York Jets - .519 SOS

RaiderNation420
12-30-2007, 07:09 PM
last years sos

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/draft/update

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 07:09 PM
3. Oakland/Kansas City/Atlanta - all have 132 wins .515 SOS.
6. New York Jets - .519 SOS

Wow, I thought us winning and the Jets losing ****** us.

RaiderNation420
12-30-2007, 07:10 PM
• Strength of schedule for the previous season is the first tie-breaker for teams with the same winning percentage.

• Divisional and conference records are the next step in the tie-breaking procedure.

• As a last resort, a coin toss is used to determine the order of selection for teams with the same winning percentage.

RaiderNation420
12-30-2007, 07:11 PM
I think raiders are 5th. That sucks

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 07:11 PM
Better division/conference is higher or lower pick?

keylime_5
12-30-2007, 07:12 PM
Is that the updated SOS after this week's games? You know it changes each week. The Tennessee game will effect it too.

keylime_5
12-30-2007, 07:13 PM
I think raiders are 5th. That sucks

1-MIA-Dorsey
2-STL-C.Long
3/4-KC-J.Long
4/3-ATL-M.Ryan
5-OAK-McFadden

doesn't suck so bad if that happens.

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 07:15 PM
Falcons
3-9 in NFC
1-5 in NFC South

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 07:15 PM
1-MIA-Dorsey
2-STL-C.Long
3/4-KC-J.Long
4/3-ATL-M.Ryan
5-OAK-McFadden

doesn't suck so bad if that happens.

McFadden would be gone at 4.

RaiderNation420
12-30-2007, 07:16 PM
Is that the updated SOS after this week's games? You know it changes each week. The Tennessee game will effect it too.

I think these 3 are a done deal and the Titan/Colts game doesnt effect

3. Oakland/Kansas City/Atlanta - all have 132 wins .515 SOS.

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 07:17 PM
The Falcons played the Titans.

RaiderNation420
12-30-2007, 07:21 PM
So if Oak, ATL and KC ARE infact tied with the same SOS, then the next tie breaker will be Div and Conf. records, oak (4-8) loose to both (3-9) KC and ATL (they will need a coin flip for 3rd or 4th)

fenikz
12-30-2007, 07:21 PM
The Falcons played the Titans.

you also played the colts, so no matter who wins you get 1-1 for the SOS

Paranoidmoonduck
12-30-2007, 07:22 PM
Wow, I thought us winning and the Jets losing ****** us.

The Jets won.

NIN1984
12-30-2007, 07:22 PM
McFadden to Oakland, I could live with that :)

fenikz
12-30-2007, 07:23 PM
last years SOS

ATL .457
KC .492
OAK .555

Young Legend
12-30-2007, 07:23 PM
Oakland,KC,Atlanta will be decided by a coin flip

RaiderNation420
12-30-2007, 07:24 PM
McFadden to Oakland, I could live with that :)


Thats all I want






















ok maybe just McFadden and Early Doucet lol

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 07:25 PM
The Jets won.

I meant Chiefs. I thought Jets were over us either way.

RaiderNation420
12-30-2007, 07:26 PM
Oakland,KC,Atlanta will be decided by a coin flip

I think its rock. paper , scissors

Scotty D
12-30-2007, 07:26 PM
Oakland,KC,Atlanta will be decided by a coin flip

Yeah they are going to throw D&D dice.

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 07:28 PM
So if Oak, ATL and KC ARE infact tied with the same SOS, then the next tie breaker will be Div and Conf. records, oak (4-8) loose to both (3-9) KC and ATL (they will need a coin flip for 3rd or 4th)

So a better Division record is a better pick? That's the opposite of the draft philosophy.

Jets (AFC East)- 2-4
Facons (NFC South)- 1-5

keylime_5
12-30-2007, 07:29 PM
So if Oak, ATL and KC ARE infact tied with the same SOS, then the next tie breaker will be Div and Conf. records, oak (4-8) loose to both (3-9) KC and ATL (they will need a coin flip for 3rd or 4th)

negative, after SOS the tiebreaker is a good old combine coin flip. How they do it for a 3 way tie I don't know.

RaiderNation420
12-30-2007, 07:29 PM
1- Mia
2- Rams
6- Jets


those are official

georgiafan
12-30-2007, 07:30 PM
This sounds like something out of college football

Sveen
12-30-2007, 07:34 PM
If the Titans win tonight:

#1 Miami Dolphins 1-15 .539
#2 St. Louis Rams 3-13 .512
T-#3 Atlanta Falcons 4-12 .517
T-#3 Oakland Raiders 4-12 .517
T-#3 Kansas City Chiefs 4-12 .517
#6 New York Jets 4-12 .523
#7 San Fransisco 49ers 5-11 .469
#8 Baltimore Ravens 5-11 .517


If The Colts win tonight:

#1 Miami Dolphins 1-15 .539
#2 St. Louis Rams 3-13 .512
T-#3 Atlanta Falcons 4-12 .516
T-#3 Oakland Raiders 4-12 .516
T-#3 Kansas City Chiefs 4-12 .516
#6 New York Jets 4-12 .520
#7 San Fransisco 49ers 5-11 .465
#8 Baltimore Ravens 5-11 .520

IN PROGRESS.

fenikz
12-30-2007, 07:36 PM
there is already a thread for this

Rich Jr
12-30-2007, 07:40 PM
i got this much

1. Miami (1-15)
2. St. Louis (3-13) barring a comeback against Arizona
3. Kansas City (4-12) assuming a loss to the NY Jets
4. New York Jets (4-12) assuming a win against KC
5. Oakland (4-12) assuming a loss to SD.
6. Atlanta (4-12)
7. New England from San Francisco (5-11)
8. Baltimore (5-11)
9. Cinncinatti (7-9)
10. New Orleans (7-9)

Gay Ork Wang
12-30-2007, 07:42 PM
I got this for 9 -15


9-10 Bears & Lions (Opponents have 139 wins)
11. Carolina (Opponents have 129 wins)
12. Buf (Opponents have 121 wins)
13 Denver (Opponents have 118/119 (Titans win) wins)
14 Cin (Opponents have 117/118 (titans win) wins)
15 NO(Opponents have 114/115 (titan win) wins)

RaiderNation420
12-30-2007, 07:53 PM
jets are 6th dude.

we tryin to figure out Oak , KC and ATL

i think this is how its gonna go down.


1. MIA
2. STL
3. KC
4. ATL
5. OAK
6. NYJ
7. SF
8. Balty

Rich Jr
12-30-2007, 07:57 PM
I got this for 9 -15


9-10 Bears & Lions (Opponents have 139 wins)
11. Carolina (Opponents have 129 wins)
12. Buf (Opponents have 121 wins)
13 Denver (Opponents have 118/119 (Titans win) wins)
14 Cin (Opponents have 117/118 (titans win) wins)
15 NO(Opponents have 114/115 (titan win) wins)Well this is what I got from another forum.

It appears that the following teams will finish at 7-9:

Bengals
Saints
Broncos
Bears
Lions
Bills
Panthers

Of those teams, only Cinncinatti will have a lower strength of schedule than the Saints.

SaintsMan
12-30-2007, 08:01 PM
Saints pick 10th.

I'm sure we can get James Laurinaitis, Kenny Phillips, Sedrick Ellis or Malcolm Jenkins with that pick. Whoever falls.

Gay Ork Wang
12-30-2007, 08:02 PM
oh i thought the team with the strongest schedule gets the first pick?

J-Kay
12-30-2007, 08:02 PM
Laurinaitis will be gone at the Pats pick.

J-Kay
12-30-2007, 08:03 PM
oh i thought the team with the strongest schedule gets the first pick?

Weaker schedule, earlier pick.

Gay Ork Wang
12-30-2007, 08:03 PM
hmmm... okay

Tampa 2 4 life
12-30-2007, 08:04 PM
Doesn't KC win the Tiebreaker against Oakland? I think how it will happen is this:

Atlanta and KC Flip:

If Atlanta Wins:
3. Atlanta
4. KC
5. Oakland

If KC Wins:
3. KC
4/5. Atlanta and Oakland flip.

Or at least, that makes the most sense.

Sveen
12-30-2007, 08:05 PM
Doesn't seem like the Titans/Colts game will have any effect on the Top 18 draft order.

First number in the parenthesis is strength of schedule if the Titans win, the second if the Colts win.

#1 Miami Dolphins: 1-15 (.539/.539)
#2 St. Louis Rams: 3-13 (.516/.516)
T-#3 Oakland Raiders 4-12 (.516/.516)
T-#3 Kansas City Chiefs 4-12 (.516/.516)
T-#3 Atlanta Falcons 4-12 (.516/.516)
#6 New York Jets 4-12 (.523/.520)
#7 San Fransisco 49ers 5-11 (.465/.465)
#8 Baltimore Ravens 5-11 (.516/.520)
#9 New Orleans Saints 7-9 (.441/.445)
#10 Cincinnati Bengals 7-9 (.461/.457)
T-#11 Buffalo Bills 7-9 (.516/.516)
T-#11 Denver Broncos 7-9 (.516/.516)
#13 Carolina Panthers 7-9 (.523/.523)
T-#14 Detroit Lions 7-9 (.543/.543)
T-#14 Chicago Bears 7-9 (.543/.543)
#16 Arizona Cardinals 8-8 (.434/.434)
#17 Minnesota Vikings 8-8 (.504/.504)
#18 Philadelphia Eagles 8-8 (.563/.563)

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 08:06 PM
Wouldn't the team that lost the head to head win the tiebreaker because they are the worse team?

SaintsMan
12-30-2007, 08:07 PM
Laurinaitis will be gone at the Pats pick.

As long as the Saints get one of them. We have huge needs at MLB, FS, DT and CB.

Sveen
12-30-2007, 08:07 PM
I don't think so. As far as I know the strength of schedule is the only factor that counts.

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 08:08 PM
As long as the Saints get one of them. We have huge needs at MLB, FS, DT and CB.

So on defense except defensive end.

Tampa 2 4 life
12-30-2007, 08:09 PM
Wouldn't the team that lost the head to head win the tiebreaker because they are the worse team?

Edit: nevermind.

J-Kay
12-30-2007, 08:10 PM
Wouldn't the team that lost the head to head win the tiebreaker because they are the worse team?

I'm 90% sure head to head doesn't factor in. Raiders and Chiefs split though if it does

Also - http://www.ajc.com/falcons/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/12/30/faldraft_1231.html

So Falcons at 3?

SaintsMan
12-30-2007, 08:11 PM
So on defense except defensive end.

Yep and we don't need a Strong Safety. That's about it.

RaiderNation420
12-30-2007, 08:12 PM
do the raiders have a shot at RUN DMC ?

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 08:13 PM
So we have our pick of anybody almost.

Sweet. NO MATT RYAN. I seriously doubt we take him at 3. Darren McFadden most likely followed by Jake Long.

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 08:14 PM
do the raiders have a shot at RUN DMC ?

Doubtful. He likely ends up in red and black, no matter what Scott says. We have a big hole at RB.

Tampa 2 4 life
12-30-2007, 08:16 PM
So we have our pick of anybody almost.

Sweet. NO MATT RYAN. I seriously doubt we take him at 3. Darren McFadden most likely followed by Jake Long.

I'm fairly sure it goes to coin flips, actually.

keylime_5
12-30-2007, 08:17 PM
I wouldn't assume JLaurinaitis is gonna declare. Sounds like he's gonna pull an AJ Hawk and stay, but he could change his mind.

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 08:17 PM
I'm fairly sure it goes to coin flips, actually.

The AJC sounded convincing.

J-Kay
12-30-2007, 08:18 PM
Now I'm thinking Falcons take D-Mac, Raiders take Laurinaitis

Tampa 2 4 life
12-30-2007, 08:19 PM
Doubtful. He likely ends up in red and black, no matter what Scott says. We have a big hole at RB.

You picking DMC would be like if Oakland picked AD last year. there is no way it'll happen.

grushcow
12-30-2007, 08:20 PM
depending on where the raiders pick if they're behind ATL its possible they could trade up to #1 with the dolphins.

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 08:24 PM
You picking DMC would be like if Oakland picked AD last year. there is no way it'll happen.

Another ignorant person who doesn't know the Falcons have a equal hole at RB as they do at QB. Actually based off of production the hole at runningback is much bigger. You are likely biased because you likely watched us play twice this season (when we played Tampa Bay) and we had our worse 2 QB performances of the year. Chris Redman had a 85+ passer rating in 4/5 games this season and a 90+ on the season. Over 100 if you exclude the Tampa Bay game which he had a 0.0 passer rating. Do we have a hole at QB? Yes. But I think the current starter at QB (Redman) has proved much more capable than our starters at RB (Warrick Dunn- 3.2 yards per carry) and left tackle (285 pound Quinn Ojinnaka; OL allowed over 40 sacks and a low yard per carry for all ball carriers except injury prone Jerious Norwood).

J-Kay
12-30-2007, 08:25 PM
Hypothetically, if Laurinaitis is gone, who would the Pats draft? Does connor fit in the 3-4?

Flyboy
12-30-2007, 08:26 PM
So on defense except defensive end.

Whomever the BDPA is on the board. Even if it is DE. I like the mock that Lions WMD did and he gave us Gholston.

J-Kay
12-30-2007, 08:27 PM
Gholston wont make it past the Jets.

SaintsMan
12-30-2007, 08:27 PM
Whomever the BDPA is on the board. Even if it is DE. I like the mock that Lions WMD did and he gave us Gholston.

I wouldn't mind Gholston either, but I doubt he'll be there when we pick. I think the Saints have the best chance at landing Kenny Phillips or Malcolm Jenkins.

Tampa 2 4 life
12-30-2007, 08:30 PM
Another ignorant person who doesn't know the Falcons have a equal hole at RB as they do at QB. Actually based off of production the hole at runningback is much bigger. You are likely biased because you likely watched us play twice this season (when we played Tampa Bay) and we had our worse 2 QB performances of the year. Chris Redman had a 85+ passer rating in 4/5 games this season and a 90+ on the season. Over 100 if you exclude the Tampa Bay game which he had a 0.0 passer rating. Do we have a hole at QB? Yes. But I think the current starter at QB (Redman) has proved much more capable than our starters at RB (Warrick Dunn- 3.2 yards per carry) and left tackle (285 pound Quinn Ojinnaka; OL allowed over 40 sacks and a low yard per carry for all ball carriers except injury prone Jerious Norwood).

It's a WAY deeper RB class than a QB Class. There's no guarantee Brennan is there with your pick, so who would you rather have:

DMC/Erik Ainge or Chad Frickin' Henne

or

Ryan/Felix Jones or Ray Rice or James Davis?

Picking Mcfadden would be a bonehead move: You can get a 1,000 yard rusher late. Earnest Graham, Ryan Grant are a few examples.

Sveen
12-30-2007, 08:33 PM
Here you go. The complete draft order right now.

TITANS WIN:

#1 Miami Dolphins: 1-15 (.539)
#2 St. Louis Rams: 3-13 (.516)
T-#3 Oakland Raiders 4-12 (.516)
T-#3 Kansas City Chiefs 4-12 (.516)
T-#3 Atlanta Falcons 4-12 (.516)
#6 New York Jets 4-12 (.523)
#7 San Fransisco 49ers 5-11 (.465)
#8 Baltimore Ravens 5-11 (.516)
#9 New Orleans Saints 7-9 (.441)
#10 Cincinnati Bengals 7-9 (.461)
T-#11 Buffalo Bills 7-9 (.516)
T-#11 Denver Broncos 7-9 (.516)
#13 Carolina Panthers 7-9 (.523)
T-#14 Detroit Lions 7-9 (.543)
T-#14 Chicago Bears 7-9 (.543)
#16 Arizona Cardinals 8-8 (.434)
#17 Minnesota Vikings 8-8 (.504)
#18 Houston Texans 8-8 (.516)
#19 Philadelphia Eagles 8-8 (.563)
#20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 9-7 (.469)*
#21 Washington Redskins 9-7 (.558)*
#22 Seattle Seahawks 10-6 (.414)*
#23 Cleveland Browns 10-6 (.430)
#24 Pittsburgh Steelers 10-6 (.453)*
#25 Tennessee Titans 10-6 (.500)*
#26 New York Giants 10-6 (.516)*
#27 San Diego Chargers 11-5 (.500)*
#28 Jacksonville Jaguars 11-5 (.516)*
#29 Green Bay Packers 13-3 (.469)*
#30 Dallas Cowboys 13-3 (.496)*
#31 Indianapolis Colts 13-3 (.516)*
#32 New England Patriots 16-0 (.469)*


COLTS WIN:

#1 Miami Dolphins: 1-15 (.539)
#2 St. Louis Rams: 3-13 (.516)
T-#3 Oakland Raiders 4-12 (.516)
T-#3 Kansas City Chiefs 4-12 (.516)
T-#3 Atlanta Falcons 4-12 (.516)
#6 New York Jets 4-12 (.520)
#7 San Fransisco 49ers 5-11 (.465)
#8 Baltimore Ravens 5-11 (.520)
#9 New Orleans Saints 7-9 (.445)
#10 Cincinnati Bengals 7-9 (.457)
T-#11 Buffalo Bills 7-9 (.516)
T-#11 Denver Broncos 7-9 (.516)
#13 Carolina Panthers 7-9 (.523)
T-#14 Detroit Lions 7-9 (.543)
T-#14 Chicago Bears 7-9 (.543)
#16 Arizona Cardinals 8-8 (.434)
#17 Minnesota Vikings 8-8 (.504)
#18 Houston Texans 8-8 (.516)
#19 Philadelphia Eagles 8-8 (.563)
#20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 9-7 (.469)*
#21 Tennessee Titans 9-7 (.508)
#22 Washington Redskins 9-7 (.558)*
#23 Seattle Seahawks 10-6 (.414)*
#24 Cleveland Browns 10-6 (.430)*
#25 Pittsburgh Steelers 10-6 (.453)*
#26 New York Giants 10-6 (.516)*
#27 San Diego Chargers 11-5 (.500)*
#28 Jacksonville Jaguars 11-5 (.516)*
#29 Green Bay Packers 13-3 (.469)*
#30 Dallas Cowboys 13-3 (.496)*
#31 Indianapolis Colts 14-2 (.508)*
#32 New England Patriots 16-0 (.473)*

* - In the postseason

J-Kay
12-30-2007, 08:33 PM
Picking Mcfadden would be a bonehead move: You can get a 1,000 yard rusher late. Earnest Graham, Ryan Grant are a few examples.

That's bad logic. You can say that for any position.

Scotty D
12-30-2007, 08:35 PM
That's bad logic. You can say that for any position.

Not really. Its more true for runningbacks.

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 08:35 PM
It's a WAY deeper RB class than a QB Class. There's no guarantee Brennan is there with your pick, so who would you rather have:

DMC/Erik Ainge or Chad Frickin' Henne

or

Ryan/Felix Jones or Ray Rice or James Davis?

Picking Mcfadden would be a bonehead move: You can get a 1,000 yard rusher late. Earnest Graham, Ryan Grant are a few examples.

There is no guarentee DMC is there. That Jones is there. That Rice is there. Etc.. This is all predictions.

But I'll take DMC/ Brennan/ LT over almost any combination. DMC isn't even my favorite choice, though. My personal favorite is Jake Long/ Colt Brennan/ James Davis. But I doubt we pass on the big name RB or QB for a left tackle when we have no face to the franchise.

Tampa 2 4 life
12-30-2007, 08:36 PM
That's bad logic. You can say that for any position.

...No you can't? There are way more Late Round success stories at RB than any other position.

Rich Jr
12-30-2007, 08:37 PM
So on defense except defensive end.I wouldn't mind Chris Long.

We could put him at End and Grant at DT.

Rich Jr
12-30-2007, 08:38 PM
It's a WAY deeper RB class than a QB Class. There's no guarantee Brennan is there with your pick, so who would you rather have:

DMC/Erik Ainge or Chad Frickin' Henne

or

Ryan/Felix Jones or Ray Rice or James Davis?

Picking Mcfadden would be a bonehead move: You can get a 1,000 yard rusher late. Earnest Graham, Ryan Grant are a few examples.Seeing as Felix Jones is staying it's impossible.

Flyboy
12-30-2007, 08:40 PM
EDIT: Nevermind. I'm dumb. :(

J-Kay
12-30-2007, 08:41 PM
Tom Brady - 6th
Derek Anderson - 6th
David Garrard - 4th
Tony Romo - Undrafted
Jon Kitna - Undrafted
Jeff Garcia - Undrafted
Jake Delhomme - Undrafted
Matt Hasselbeck - 6th
Kurt Warner - Undrafted
Marc Bulger - 6th

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 08:43 PM
Trent Green came from nowhere too didn't he?

Oh, and the truth Chris Redman 3rd round pick was selling insurance at this time last year. 90+ passer rating on the year baby.

Scotty D
12-30-2007, 08:44 PM
Tom Brady - 6th
Derek Anderson - 6th
David Garrard - 4th
Tony Romo - Undrafted
Jon Kitna - Undrafted
Jeff Garcia - Undrafted
Jake Delhomme - Undrafted
Matt Hasselbeck - 6th
Kurt Warner - Undrafted
Marc Bulger - 6th

A common theme among those QBs is that they weren't depended on for anything their first couple of seasons. They sat back and watched for 2-3 seasons, and came into the league. In the Falcons situation you can't hope for the next Tom Brady or Tony Romo in the 6th round or UDFA.

keylime_5
12-30-2007, 08:45 PM
If the Colts win then the Titans get the 20th pick b/c they didn't make the playoffs regardless of SOS.

keylime_5
12-30-2007, 08:47 PM
I think New England takes Malcolm Jenkins 8th overall. He'll rise up draft boards after his workouts, he is certainly the best corner available (sorry mike, it's true). This of course assumes that Asante Samuel signs elsewhere, but it's WAY early.

Gay Ork Wang
12-30-2007, 08:47 PM
U wanna count all these RBs?

Canuck
12-30-2007, 08:48 PM
Trent Green came from nowhere too didn't he?


He was selected in a round that no longer exists! 8th round, 1993, by San Diego.

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 08:50 PM
A common theme among those QBs is that they weren't depended on for anything their first couple of seasons. They sat back and watched for 2-3 seasons, and came into the league. In the Falcons situation you can't hope for the next Tom Brady or Tony Romo in the 6th round or UDFA.

We have the next Trent Green in Chris Redman!

Scotty D
12-30-2007, 08:52 PM
We have the next Trent Green in Chris Redman!

Yeah put the future of your franchise on the shoulders of Chris Redman. I can't tell if your joking or if you just being a massive homer. I'm hoping its one of the two though.

Rich Jr
12-30-2007, 08:57 PM
If Titans Win

#1 Miami Dolphins: 1-15 (.539)
#2 St. Louis Rams: 3-13 (.516)
T-#3 Oakland Raiders 4-12 (.516)
T-#3 Kansas City Chiefs 4-12 (.516)
T-#3 Atlanta Falcons 4-12 (.516)
#6 New York Jets 4-12 (.523)
#7 San Fransisco 49ers 5-11 (.465)
#8 Baltimore Ravens 5-11 (.516)
#9 New Orleans Saints 7-9 (.441)
#10 Cincinnati Bengals 7-9 (.461)
T-#11 Buffalo Bills 7-9 (.516)
T-#11 Denver Broncos 7-9 (.516)
#13 Carolina Panthers 7-9 (.523)
T-#14 Detroit Lions 7-9 (.543)
T-#14 Chicago Bears 7-9 (.543)
#16 Arizona Cardinals 8-8 (.434)
#17 Minnesota Vikings 8-8 (.504)
#18 Houston Texans 8-8 (.516)
#19 Philadelphia Eagles 8-8 (.563)
#20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 9-7 (.469)*
#21 Washington Redskins 9-7 (.558)*
#22 Seattle Seahawks 10-6 (.414)*
#23 Cleveland Browns 10-6 (.430)
#24 Pittsburgh Steelers 10-6 (.453)*
#25 Tennessee Titans 10-6 (.500)*
#26 New York Giants 10-6 (.516)*
#27 San Diego Chargers 11-5 (.500)*
#28 Jacksonville Jaguars 11-5 (.516)*
#29 Green Bay Packers 13-3 (.469)*
#30 Dallas Cowboys 13-3 (.496)*
#31 Indianapolis Colts 13-3 (.516)*
#32 New England Patriots 16-0 (.469)*

If Iny wins

#1 Miami Dolphins: 1-15 (.539)
#2 St. Louis Rams: 3-13 (.516)
T-#3 Oakland Raiders 4-12 (.516)
T-#3 Kansas City Chiefs 4-12 (.516)
T-#3 Atlanta Falcons 4-12 (.516)
#6 New York Jets 4-12 (.520)
#7 San Fransisco 49ers 5-11 (.465)
#8 Baltimore Ravens 5-11 (.520)
#9 New Orleans Saints 7-9 (.445)
#10 Cincinnati Bengals 7-9 (.457)
T-#11 Buffalo Bills 7-9 (.516)
T-#11 Denver Broncos 7-9 (.516)
#13 Carolina Panthers 7-9 (.523)
T-#14 Detroit Lions 7-9 (.543)
T-#14 Chicago Bears 7-9 (.543)
#16 Arizona Cardinals 8-8 (.434)
#17 Minnesota Vikings 8-8 (.504)
#18 Houston Texans 8-8 (.516)
#19 Philadelphia Eagles 8-8 (.563)
#20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 9-7 (.469)*
#21 Tennessee Titans 9-7 (.508)
#22 Washington Redskins 9-7 (.558)*
#23 Seattle Seahawks 10-6 (.414)*
#24 Cleveland Browns 10-6 (.430)*
#25 Pittsburgh Steelers 10-6 (.453)*
#26 New York Giants 10-6 (.516)*
#27 San Diego Chargers 11-5 (.500)*
#28 Jacksonville Jaguars 11-5 (.516)*
#29 Green Bay Packers 13-3 (.469)*
#30 Dallas Cowboys 13-3 (.496)*
#31 Indianapolis Colts 14-2 (.508)*
#32 New England Patriots 16-0 (.473)*

Tampa 2 4 life
12-30-2007, 08:59 PM
We have the next Trent Green in Chris Redman!

Really? I'm fairly certain you don't..

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 08:59 PM
Yeah put the future of your franchise on the shoulders of Chris Redman. I can't tell if your joking or if you just being a massive homer. I'm hoping its one of the two though.

I think Chris Redman's performance at least lets us put serious thought into Darren McFadden or Jake Long and grabbing a QB in round 2 or 3.

gpngc
12-30-2007, 09:01 PM
Does anyone know what the tiebreaking procedure will be for the three-team tie at the top?

keylime_5
12-30-2007, 09:02 PM
If Titans Win

#1 Miami Dolphins: 1-15 (.539)
#2 St. Louis Rams: 3-13 (.516)
T-#3 Oakland Raiders 4-12 (.516)
T-#3 Kansas City Chiefs 4-12 (.516)
T-#3 Atlanta Falcons 4-12 (.516)
#6 New York Jets 4-12 (.523)
#7 San Fransisco 49ers 5-11 (.465)
#8 Baltimore Ravens 5-11 (.516)
#9 New Orleans Saints 7-9 (.441)
#10 Cincinnati Bengals 7-9 (.461)
T-#11 Buffalo Bills 7-9 (.516)
T-#11 Denver Broncos 7-9 (.516)
#13 Carolina Panthers 7-9 (.523)
T-#14 Detroit Lions 7-9 (.543)
T-#14 Chicago Bears 7-9 (.543)
#16 Arizona Cardinals 8-8 (.434)
#17 Minnesota Vikings 8-8 (.504)
#18 Houston Texans 8-8 (.516)
#19 Philadelphia Eagles 8-8 (.563)
#20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 9-7 (.469)*
#21 Washington Redskins 9-7 (.558)*
#22 Seattle Seahawks 10-6 (.414)*
#23 Cleveland Browns 10-6 (.430)
#24 Pittsburgh Steelers 10-6 (.453)*
#25 Tennessee Titans 10-6 (.500)*
#26 New York Giants 10-6 (.516)*
#27 San Diego Chargers 11-5 (.500)*
#28 Jacksonville Jaguars 11-5 (.516)*
#29 Green Bay Packers 13-3 (.469)*
#30 Dallas Cowboys 13-3 (.496)*
#31 Indianapolis Colts 13-3 (.516)*
#32 New England Patriots 16-0 (.469)*

If Iny wins

#1 Miami Dolphins: 1-15 (.539)
#2 St. Louis Rams: 3-13 (.516)
T-#3 Oakland Raiders 4-12 (.516)
T-#3 Kansas City Chiefs 4-12 (.516)
T-#3 Atlanta Falcons 4-12 (.516)
#6 New York Jets 4-12 (.520)
#7 San Fransisco 49ers 5-11 (.465)
#8 Baltimore Ravens 5-11 (.520)
#9 New Orleans Saints 7-9 (.445)
#10 Cincinnati Bengals 7-9 (.457)
T-#11 Buffalo Bills 7-9 (.516)
T-#11 Denver Broncos 7-9 (.516)
#13 Carolina Panthers 7-9 (.523)
T-#14 Detroit Lions 7-9 (.543)
T-#14 Chicago Bears 7-9 (.543)
#16 Arizona Cardinals 8-8 (.434)
#17 Minnesota Vikings 8-8 (.504)
#18 Houston Texans 8-8 (.516)
#19 Philadelphia Eagles 8-8 (.563)
#20 Tennessee Titans 9-7 (.508)
#21 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 9-7 (.469)*
#22 Washington Redskins 9-7 (.558)*
#23 Seattle Seahawks 10-6 (.414)*
#24 Cleveland Browns 10-6 (.430)*
#25 Pittsburgh Steelers 10-6 (.453)*
#26 New York Giants 10-6 (.516)*
#27 San Diego Chargers 11-5 (.500)*
#28 Jacksonville Jaguars 11-5 (.516)*
#29 Green Bay Packers 13-3 (.469)*
#30 Dallas Cowboys 13-3 (.496)*
#31 Indianapolis Colts 14-2 (.508)*
#32 New England Patriots 16-0 (.473)*

fixed it. Tennessee will not pick after Tampa if they don't make the playoffs.

keylime_5
12-30-2007, 09:03 PM
Does anyone know what the tiebreaking procedure will be for the three-team tie at the top?

I am pretty confident that they put the 3 GMs in a room at the combine and fight to the death.

Gay Ork Wang
12-30-2007, 09:10 PM
I am pretty confident that they put the 3 GMs in a room at the combine and fight to the death.
SURVIVOR GM IRON CAGE

ATLDirtyBirds
12-30-2007, 09:11 PM
Atlanta at 3! Awesome.

J-Kay
12-30-2007, 09:15 PM
fixed it. Tennessee will not pick after Tampa if they don't make the playoffs.

That's not true. Broncos didn't make the playoffs a couple of years ago, but they picked after the Giants.

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 09:16 PM
I reckon everybody can now be surprised when Atlanta takes Darren McFadden.

porter20
12-30-2007, 09:16 PM
Prediction for top 4 QBs chosen:

#8 Baltimore - Brian Brohm
#13 Carolina - Matt Ryan
#15 Chicago - Andre Woodson
#35 Atlanta - Colt Brennan (early 2nd round)

Thoughts??

619
12-30-2007, 09:16 PM
Atlanta at 3! Awesome.

Too bad QB is one of their main needs in that slot.

keylime_5
12-30-2007, 09:17 PM
That's not true. Broncos didn't make the playoffs a couple of years ago, but they picked after the Giants.

That's b/c they had one more win than New York. It's different if you have the same record though I think.

J-Kay
12-30-2007, 09:19 PM
Prediction for top 4 QBs chosen:

#8 Baltimore - Brian Brohm
#13 Carolina - Matt Ryan
#15 Chicago - Andre Woodson
#35 Atlanta - Colt Brennan (early 2nd round)

Thoughts??
I think the Panthers think they have a good thing with Moore.

Right now I have Brohm going to Baltimore, Ryan going to Chicago, and Woodson going to Tampa Bay, but I tihnk someone will move up for Woodson

keylime_5
12-30-2007, 09:19 PM
Prediction for top 4 QBs chosen:

#8 Baltimore - Brian Brohm
#13 Carolina - Matt Ryan
#15 Chicago - Andre Woodson
#35 Atlanta - Colt Brennan (early 2nd round)

Thoughts??

Nah, I say Ryan goes to Atlanta for sure, then Brohm to Baltimore and Woodson to Chicago. Carolina goes for a defensive end like Campbell or Harvey.

Smokey Joe
12-30-2007, 09:20 PM
okay, does the team with the better divisional record pick ahead or behind the team it is tied with?

ATLDirtyBirds
12-30-2007, 09:20 PM
Too bad QB is one of their main needs in that slot.



As is RB, and that is the route we should take.

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 09:20 PM
Ehh wrong. Atlanta will go with McFadden. Jake Long should be the pick but management will crumble under pressure and go with McFadden.

Don Killuminati
12-30-2007, 09:22 PM
Now I'm thinking Falcons take D-Mac, Raiders take Laurinaitis

Laurinitis can't play the strong side, and that's the only LB spot that needs an upgrade in Oakland.
You picking DMC would be like if Oakland picked AD last year. there is no way it'll happen.

What's that mean? Oakland needed a RB last year, and they need one heading into '08. Atlanta at 3! Awesome.

Pretty sure that's not been decided yet. I think the AJ-C jumped the gun there.

Smokey Joe
12-30-2007, 09:22 PM
Prediction: Matt Ryan is garbage and will do nothing in the NFL.

Smokey Joe
12-30-2007, 09:25 PM
What's that mean? Oakland needed a RB last year, and they need one heading into '08.

Not really, they have a pretty good thing going with Fargas, Jordon, and Rhodes.

ATLDirtyBirds
12-30-2007, 09:26 PM
Prediction: Matt Ryan is garbage and will do nothing in the NFL.



Joey Harrington Pt 2

or

Joey Harrington Remix


I haven't decided which I like better.

keylime_5
12-30-2007, 09:27 PM
Ehh wrong. Atlanta will go with McFadden. Jake Long should be the pick but management will crumble under pressure and go with McFadden.

This is what we call denial. It happens every year a team with a top pick needs a QB but the fans don't want one when they could get a sexy pick. Happened last year in Oakland (they all cried for Peterson or Johnson, Al Davis doesn't draft QBs in the first round), happened last year in Cleveland too (everyone wanted Quinn or Peterson). Unless Atlanta signs a good starting veteran quarterback or trades for one they are without a doubt gonna take Matt Ryan. Even before I heard Arthur Blank say they wanted a young QB on MNF this was obvious.

Laurinitis can't play the strong side, and that's the only LB spot that needs an upgrade in Oakland.

He did play SLB his freshman year at Ohio State, and certainly is big and fast enough. But his strength is MLB, and I am confident Oakland won't take a SLB in the first round anyways.

porter20
12-30-2007, 09:28 PM
If Atlanta is indeed #3 pick, it'd be a huge waste to choose Matt Ryan. I'm a Ryan supporter, but even I admit he's not top 5 worthy.

I'd say both Ryan and Brohm are worth the $$$$ in the #8-#15 range, so perfect for teams like Baltimore, Carolina and Chicago.

bearsfan_51
12-30-2007, 09:28 PM
Wouldn't the team that lost the head to head win the tiebreaker because they are the worse team?
No, that has nothing to do with it. Looks like lots of coin flips this year, that's always fun.

DaBear89
12-30-2007, 09:30 PM
okay, does the team with the better divisional record pick ahead or behind the team it is tied with?

i'ld guess behind i.e bears have better record then KC, so they pick behind them on draft day...so bears have 2-4 record against NFC-N, Lions have a 3-3. bears should have 14, lions 15. :D

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 09:30 PM
If the Raiders want McFadden they can move up for a 2nd round pick. If anyone wants to move up I'll do it. We would be stacked.

We would have a high first round pick and likely 3 high 2nd round picks along with a high 3rd round pick. If we get a 3rd/4th compensary pick for Kerney we will be stacked. We could rebuild this team in one draft (of course coupled with last years picks of Blalock, Anderson, Houston, Robinson, etc etc. and the current pieces of Hall, Boley, Babineaux, and Roddy).

This is of course assuming we have/ will get the 3rd overall.

Smokey Joe
12-30-2007, 09:30 PM
No, that has nothing to do with it. Looks like lots of coin flips this year, that's always fun.
can't forget about division and conference records, that plays a part in it...

ATLDirtyBirds
12-30-2007, 09:30 PM
This is what we call denial. It happens every year a team with a top pick needs a QB but the fans don't want one when they could get a sexy pick. Happened last year in Oakland (they all cried for Peterson or Johnson, Al Davis doesn't draft QBs in the first round), happened last year in Cleveland too (everyone wanted Quinn or Peterson). Unless Atlanta signs a good starting veteran quarterback or trades for one they are without a doubt gonna take Matt Ryan. Even before I heard Arthur Blank say they wanted a young QB on MNF this was obvious.



He did play SLB his freshman year at Ohio State, and certainly is big and fast enough. But his strength is MLB, and I am confident Oakland won't take a SLB in the first round anyways.



Are you seriously comparing Matt Ryan to JaMarcus Russel as a prospect? If JaMarcus was available this year, I'd agree with you. The fact is he's not, and Ryan is nothing close to him. I'm sure I'm not the only one to see that either.

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 09:31 PM
This is what we call denial. It happens every year a team with a top pick needs a QB but the fans don't want one when they could get a sexy pick. Happened last year in Oakland (they all cried for Peterson or Johnson, Al Davis doesn't draft QBs in the first round), happened last year in Cleveland too (everyone wanted Quinn or Peterson). Unless Atlanta signs a good starting veteran quarterback or trades for one they are without a doubt gonna take Matt Ryan. Even before I heard Arthur Blank say they wanted a young QB on MNF this was obvious.



He did play SLB his freshman year at Ohio State, and certainly is big and fast enough. But his strength is MLB, and I am confident Oakland won't take a SLB in the first round anyways.

We'll see.

Canuck
12-30-2007, 09:32 PM
If Titans Win

#1 Miami Dolphins: 1-15 (.539)
#2 St. Louis Rams: 3-13 (.516)
T-#3 Oakland Raiders 4-12 (.516)
T-#3 Kansas City Chiefs 4-12 (.516)
T-#3 Atlanta Falcons 4-12 (.516)
#6 New York Jets 4-12 (.523)
#7 San Fransisco 49ers 5-11 (.465)
#8 Baltimore Ravens 5-11 (.516)
#9 New Orleans Saints 7-9 (.441)
#10 Cincinnati Bengals 7-9 (.461)
T-#11 Buffalo Bills 7-9 (.516)
T-#11 Denver Broncos 7-9 (.516)
#13 Carolina Panthers 7-9 (.523)
T-#14 Detroit Lions 7-9 (.543)
T-#14 Chicago Bears 7-9 (.543)
#16 Arizona Cardinals 8-8 (.434)
#17 Minnesota Vikings 8-8 (.504)
#18 Houston Texans 8-8 (.516)
#19 Philadelphia Eagles 8-8 (.563)
#20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 9-7 (.469)*
#21 Washington Redskins 9-7 (.558)*
#22 Seattle Seahawks 10-6 (.414)*
#23 Cleveland Browns 10-6 (.430)
#24 Pittsburgh Steelers 10-6 (.453)*
#25 Tennessee Titans 10-6 (.500)*
#26 New York Giants 10-6 (.516)*
#27 San Diego Chargers 11-5 (.500)*
#28 Jacksonville Jaguars 11-5 (.516)*
#29 Green Bay Packers 13-3 (.469)*
#30 Dallas Cowboys 13-3 (.496)*
#31 Indianapolis Colts 13-3 (.516)*
#32 New England Patriots 16-0 (.469)*

If Indy wins

#1 Miami Dolphins: 1-15 (.539)
#2 St. Louis Rams: 3-13 (.516)
T-#3 Oakland Raiders 4-12 (.516)
T-#3 Kansas City Chiefs 4-12 (.516)
T-#3 Atlanta Falcons 4-12 (.516)
#6 New York Jets 4-12 (.520)
#7 San Fransisco 49ers 5-11 (.465)
#8 Baltimore Ravens 5-11 (.520)
#9 New Orleans Saints 7-9 (.445)
#10 Cincinnati Bengals 7-9 (.457)
T-#11 Buffalo Bills 7-9 (.516)
T-#11 Denver Broncos 7-9 (.516)
#13 Carolina Panthers 7-9 (.523)
T-#14 Detroit Lions 7-9 (.543)
T-#14 Chicago Bears 7-9 (.543)
#16 Arizona Cardinals 8-8 (.434)
#17 Minnesota Vikings 8-8 (.504)
#18 Houston Texans 8-8 (.516)
#19 Philadelphia Eagles 8-8 (.563)
#20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 9-7 (.469)*
#21 Tennessee Titans 9-7 (.508)
#22 Washington Redskins 9-7 (.558)*
#23 Seattle Seahawks 10-6 (.414)*
#24 Cleveland Browns 10-6 (.430)*
#25 Pittsburgh Steelers 10-6 (.453)*
#26 New York Giants 10-6 (.516)*
#27 San Diego Chargers 11-5 (.500)*
#28 Jacksonville Jaguars 11-5 (.516)*
#29 Green Bay Packers 13-3 (.469)*
#30 Dallas Cowboys 13-3 (.496)*
#31 Indianapolis Colts 14-2 (.508)*
#32 New England Patriots 16-0 (.473)*

How are these numbers calculated? I just did the math on N.O. and Cincy and I came up with the Saints' opponents having a 123-133 record and the Bengals' opponents having a 117-139 record, putting Cincy at the #9 spot.

ATLDirtyBirds
12-30-2007, 09:34 PM
God damn you AJC, I was pumped about having the 3 pick.

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 09:35 PM
IDK What is going on.

Don Killuminati
12-30-2007, 09:35 PM
Ehh wrong. Atlanta will go with McFadden. Jake Long should be the pick but management will crumble under pressure and go with McFadden.

What management? Seems like Blank will be cleaning house this offseason. A new HC is going to want his guy (whoever that may be), and whoever the GM is will have his guy (again, whoever that may be).

Hard to say what a team will do when we don't even know who's running the team. It's not like Blank makes the calls on draft day.

Smokey Joe
12-30-2007, 09:36 PM
Falcons need a QB, no doubt... but we all must remember, there are no QB's in this draft worth a pick in the 3-6 range. Falcons best bet would be to draft McFadden/Long, hope one of the big 3 falls, and then use their 2 second rounders to trade up for one of the QB's.

Flyboy
12-30-2007, 09:36 PM
How are these numbers calculated? I just did the math on N.O. and Cincy and I came up with the Saints' opponents having a 123-133 record and the Bengals' opponents having a 117-139 record, putting Cincy at the #9 spot.

That's what I keep hearing too. Blah.

Don Killuminati
12-30-2007, 09:40 PM
Not really, they have a pretty good thing going with Fargas, Jordon, and Rhodes.

Not really. Fargas is a FA. Jordan is getting cut. Rhodes is a fill-in who Kiffin wouldn't even play until he had to.

Fargas may return. I think he will. But he's no feature back. As well as he played this year, he's still not durable enough to hold up over 16 games.

The hope is that Michael Bush can be the guy, but we'd be pretty foolish to just assume that he can be.

McFadden is as likely a pick as any. I'm hoping for a DL. But McFadden makes a lot of sense.

Smokey Joe
12-30-2007, 09:40 PM
the raiders have a better conference record then the Chiefs... So this would mean the Chiefs automatically pick ahead of the Raiders, right? So I think the Raiders are locked in at 5 and the coin flip is between Atlanta and Kansas City.

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 09:40 PM
What management? Seems like Blank will be cleaning house this offseason. A new HC is going to want his guy (whoever that may be), and whoever the GM is will have his guy (again, whoever that may be).

Hard to say what a team will do when we don't even know who's running the team. It's not like Blank makes the calls on draft day.

What I'm saying is no one is going to take Jake Long as their guy when we have Chris Redman and Warrick Dunn starting at QB and RB. Too much pressure, even if Jake long is the best pick. Think what happened to Miami with Ted Ginn Jr. last year. They will take the QB or RB most likely unless the people are convinced no QB is that good. I see (if we pick at 3)...

Options:
1. Pick Darren McFadden
2. Trade down and pick Matt Ryan
3. Trade down and pick Jake Long

Don Killuminati
12-30-2007, 09:43 PM
If they let what the fans want sway them on draft day, they should be fired on the spot. He did play SLB his freshman year at Ohio State, and certainly is big and fast enough. But his strength is MLB, and I am confident Oakland won't take a SLB in the first round anyways.

He's not going to cut it as an NFL SAM. That's my point. And, no. Drafting a SAM in Rd1 isn't in the cards for us this year. Rd2? Maybe.

DaBear89
12-30-2007, 09:43 PM
so wat xactly are the tiebreakers? is it OVR record, SoS, Div Record, Conf Record, then coinflip?

finsfan4life
12-30-2007, 09:45 PM
What I'm saying is no one is going to take Jake Long as their guy when we have Chris Redman and Warrick Dunn starting at QB and RB. Too much pressure, even if Jake long is the best pick. Think what happened to Miami with Ted Ginn Jr. last year.

Miami picked the better player last year, that's what happened. The doubters will see in due time.

That being said, I agree with you. I can't see the Falcons picking Jake Long.

Tampa 2 4 life
12-30-2007, 09:46 PM
What's that mean? Oakland needed a RB last year, and they need one heading into '08.

Oakland had a need for RB. Oakland had more of a need for QB. AD was considered a better prospect than Russell. Atlanta picking DMC would be like Oakland picking AD.

Tampa 2 4 life
12-30-2007, 09:47 PM
Miami picked the better player last year, that's what happened. The doubters will see in due time.

The fact was they could have traded down and nabbed Ginn much, much, later. While picking up picks to fill much needed holes.

bearsfan_51
12-30-2007, 09:50 PM
can't forget about division and conference records, that plays a part in it...

Except no. It has to do with how many wins your opponent had and the flipping of a coin. That's it.

Flyboy
12-30-2007, 09:50 PM
The fact was they could have traded down and nabbed Ginn much, much, later. While picking up picks to fill much needed holes.

Not true. The Texans were going to take him if Miami hadn't.

bearsfan_51
12-30-2007, 09:50 PM
The fact was they could have traded down and nabbed Ginn much, much, later. While picking up picks to fill much needed holes.
By all accounts the Texans were going to take Ginn.

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 09:51 PM
Oakland had a need for RB. Oakland had more of a need for QB. AD was considered a better prospect than Russell. Atlanta picking DMC would be like Oakland picking AD.

See, there is the difference. Oakland had needs at both positions like we do, but Oakland had a bigger need at QB. We have a bigger need at RB. Our QB(s) outperformed our RB(s) this year.

Tampa 2 4 life
12-30-2007, 09:52 PM
By all accounts the Texans were going to take Ginn.

Seriously? Was Ginn really that much of a commodity...?

Flyboy
12-30-2007, 09:53 PM
Seriously? Was Ginn really that much of a commodity...?

Yep. *points to Devin Hester* Teams see/saw what a Hester can do and fall in love with that ability.

Tampa 2 4 life
12-30-2007, 09:53 PM
See, there is the difference. Oakland had needs at both positions like we do, but Oakland had a bigger need at QB. We have a bigger need at RB. Our QB(s) outperformed our RB(s) this year.

Yeah, because Warrick Dunn and Jerrious Norwood < Byron Leftwich and Chris Redman. There is no possible way you can argue me on that...

Don Killuminati
12-30-2007, 09:55 PM
Oakland had a need for RB. Oakland had more of a need for QB. AD was considered a better prospect than Russell. Atlanta picking DMC would be like Oakland picking AD.

So...you're saying it would be the better pick. Well then, we agree.

ATLDirtyBirds
12-30-2007, 09:56 PM
Yeah, because Warrick Dunn and Jerrious Norwood < Byron Leftwich and Chris Redman. There is no possible way you can argue me on that...


Have you actually watched Dunn play, or looked at his stats? Right now I'm assuming you are going on memories. 3.2 YPC, 720 yards, 4 TDs. Jerious just can't handle the load. Always get hurt.

ATLDirtyBirds
12-30-2007, 09:58 PM
Oakland had a need for RB. Oakland had more of a need for QB. AD was considered a better prospect than Russell. Atlanta picking DMC would be like Oakland picking AD.


Once again, you are off. You are looking too much into what AD did this season. Coming out everyone knew he had potential, but his injury history was a big concern, and people weren't sure how long he'd last. JaMarcus was a QB with a cannon arm, big frame, and some rushing ability.

Smokey Joe
12-30-2007, 09:59 PM
Except no. It has to do with how many wins your opponent had and the flipping of a coin. That's it.
I am 90% sure that divisional and conference records are taken into account...

bearsfan_51
12-30-2007, 10:00 PM
I am 90% sure that divisional and conference records are taken into account...
And you're 100% wrong.

keylime_5
12-30-2007, 10:01 PM
Are you seriously comparing Matt Ryan to JaMarcus Russel as a prospect? If JaMarcus was available this year, I'd agree with you. The fact is he's not, and Ryan is nothing close to him. I'm sure I'm not the only one to see that either.

Never did that. But JaMarcus was not the best player in last year's draft regardless of position and Oakland didn't have him higher than CJ on their board but took him anyways. In 2005 Alex Smith was not by any stretch considered the best overall prospect in that draft regardless of position, and he went #1 overall anyways. San Fran needed a QB and took Smith #1 overall when guys like Brown and Edwards were better players but not QBs. Atlanta needs a QB, and Blank said they are scouting college QBs and that they want a young franchise QB, and when Kornheiser suggested they might take another position with their top pick Blank was kinda pessimistic about that idea. I'm telling you now, if Atlanta's QB situation doesn't get any better than it is today, Matt Ryan WILL be their top pick next April, deny it all you want.

finsfan4life
12-30-2007, 10:01 PM
The fact was they could have traded down and nabbed Ginn much, much, later. While picking up picks to fill much needed holes.

If you have a player rated as the best guy on your board, you take him. Don't play games trying to trade down and add picks.

NIN1984
12-30-2007, 10:02 PM
The thought of Russell and McFadden is pretty cool but Raiders need D-line in the worst way...

Dorsey, Ellis, Long, Gholston. Any of them would would be fantastic.

keylime_5
12-30-2007, 10:04 PM
Also, runningbacks are a dime a dozen in the NFL. Even if you have an Adrian Peterson or LaDanian Tomlinson in your backfield it doesn't impact your team nearly as much as it does as if you have a great QB like Manning, Brady, etc. Ryan might not be the best QB prospect ever, but it certainly sounds like teams in the NFL will certainly take him in the top 10, and in a year like this where there is not as much good stuff at the top like we had in 06 and 07, Ryan in the top 5 is not a reach by any stretch based on how the NFL people say Ryan is rated.

DaBear89
12-30-2007, 10:05 PM
http://football.about.com/od/miscinformation/a/detdraftorder.htm
says div and conf records are used but im not sure on the accuracy of the page

keylime_5
12-30-2007, 10:06 PM
The thought of Russell and McFadden is pretty cool but Raiders need D-line in the worst way...

Dorsey, Ellis, Long, Gholston. Any of them would would be fantastic.

Truth be told, but if they have McFadden available they take him in a heartbeat.

scar988
12-30-2007, 10:07 PM
Oakland had a need for RB. Oakland had more of a need for QB. AD was considered a better prospect than Russell. Atlanta picking DMC would be like Oakland picking AD.

the way Atlanta picks it's BPA at need spots. not biggest need. so McFadden, then Long actually makes a lot of sense.

ATLDirtyBirds
12-30-2007, 10:09 PM
Never did that. But JaMarcus was not the best player in last year's draft regardless of position and Oakland didn't have him higher than CJ on their board but took him anyways. In 2005 Alex Smith was not by any stretch considered the best overall prospect in that draft regardless of position, and he went #1 overall anyways. San Fran needed a QB and took Smith #1 overall when guys like Brown and Edwards were better players but not QBs. Atlanta needs a QB, and Blank said they are scouting college QBs and that they want a young franchise QB, and when Kornheiser suggested they might take another position with their top pick Blank was kinda pessimistic about that idea. I'm telling you now, if Atlanta's QB situation doesn't get any better than it is today, Matt Ryan WILL be their top pick next April, deny it all you want.


You think that he might have said that because we at that time employed a head coach who came to us hailed as a QB guru? Yeah, that might be it.

Smokey Joe
12-30-2007, 10:10 PM
And you're 100% wrong.
Would cbssportsline.com lie???

Draft positions are determined by record, the team with the worst record during the regular season picks first and so on. If two teams have the same record, the strength of schedule tie-breaker is used which is the combined winning percentage of all teams on each team's schedule for the current season. If teams are still tied after strength of schedule has been applied, the division or conference tie breakers are used. If teams are still tied after applying all tiebreakers or if two teams are tied that are in different conferences, a coin toss after the season will determnined which team gets priority.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/draft/update

That's two sources now, want more?

keylime_5
12-30-2007, 10:10 PM
the way Atlanta picks it's BPA at need spots. not biggest need. so McFadden, then Long actually makes a lot of sense.

Most teams do that. But when it comes to franchise QBs everyone and their mother knows it's a whole different ballgame. The rule in the NFL usually is if there's a franchise QB available and you don't have one you take him. This doesn't happen, but only on rare occasions (for example Miami wanted Beck in RD2, so they passed on Quinn). You Falcons fans can stay in denial all you want, but I'm with Scott on this one.

DaBear89
12-30-2007, 10:12 PM
however, based on last year's draft, TB(4th) and Cle(3rd) were both 4-12, had a .535 SoS, and were 0-6 div. yet CLE had a 3-9 conf while TB had a 2-10.

DaBear89
12-30-2007, 10:12 PM
Would cbssportsline.com lie???



http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/draft/update

That's two sources now, want more?

damn smokey u beat me to quoting that page

keylime_5
12-30-2007, 10:13 PM
Would cbssportsline.com lie???



http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/draft/update

That's two sources now, want more?

Cleveland and Tampa Bay were tied at SOS last year. The conference records didn't mean anything, they weren't even in the same conference. Cleveland had 3 wins vs the AFC and 1 vs the NFC, Tampa had 2 wins vs the AFC and 2 vs the NFC. After SOS they go coin flip. Maybe they do use a divisional and conference record as a tiebreaker if the two teams in question are both from the same division or conference, but I have never heard of that.

keylime_5
12-30-2007, 10:14 PM
You think that he might have said that because we at that time employed a head coach who came to us hailed as a QB guru? Yeah, that might be it.

No genius, he said that because Mike Vick is in jail and the QBs on their roster are Chris Redman, Joey Harrington, and Byron Leftwich. Those guys are all backup QBs at best for any team.

bearsfan_51
12-30-2007, 10:15 PM
Would cbssportsline.com lie???



http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/draft/update

That's two sources now, want more?
That could be the case for teams in the same conference or division, but I've never heard that before either, and don't necessarily believe sportsline most of the time.

If that is the case all the better though, better draft pick for the Bears.

Smokey Joe
12-30-2007, 10:15 PM
Cleveland and Tampa Bay were tied at SOS last year. The conference records didn't mean anything, they weren't even in the same conference. Cleveland had 3 wins vs the AFC and 1 vs the NFC, Tampa had 2 wins vs the AFC and 2 vs the NFC. After SOS they go coin flip. Maybe they do use a divisional and conference record as a tiebreaker if the two teams in question are both from the same division or conference, but I have never heard of that.
that's exactly how they do it. If the teams are from the same conference, then they apply that tie breaker, but if they are from different conferences, then they go straight to the coin flip... So, Bears will be picking 14th and the Raiders will be picking 5th. The coin toss for 3rd overall will be between Kansas City and Atlanta. I am 90% sure of this.

Don Killuminati
12-30-2007, 10:16 PM
Also, runningbacks are a dime a dozen in the NFL. Even if you have an Adrian Peterson or LaDanian Tomlinson in your backfield it doesn't impact your team nearly as much as it does as if you have a great QB like Manning, Brady, etc.

Debatable. There may not be a more overrated position than QB. If you have a game manager who protects the ball and converts 3rd downs, you're pretty much set at QB. I'll take a Rich Gannon type of QB every day of the week.

DaBear89
12-30-2007, 10:16 PM
jeff otah here we come (i hope)

bearsfan_51
12-30-2007, 10:18 PM
jeff otah here we come (i hope)

I'd much rather get Brohm/Woodson. I think the value is better personally.

Smokey Joe
12-30-2007, 10:19 PM
That could be the case for teams in the same conference or division, but I've never heard that before either, and don't necessarily believe sportsline most of the time.

If that is the case all the better though, better draft pick for the Bears.
I think you owe me an apology ;)

Smokey Joe
12-30-2007, 10:21 PM
I'd much rather get Brohm/Woodson. I think the value is better personally.
I would prefer Clady above everyone, but I doubt he is there. I wouldn't be oppossed to actually signing Starks and removing tackle as a need and then either taking a QB or trading down (and perhaps taking an OG like Duke Robinson [could play either LG or RG depending on what the plan is for Ruben])

DaBear89
12-30-2007, 10:21 PM
I'd much rather get Brohm/Woodson. I think the value is better personally.

as long as its brohm and we pick up the dude from vandy in rnd 2

bearsfan_51
12-30-2007, 10:22 PM
I think you owe me an apology ;)
Put up a picture of your dog and I won't give you an infraction.

bearsfan_51
12-30-2007, 10:24 PM
I would prefer Clady above everyone, but I doubt he is there. I wouldn't be oppossed to actually signing Starks and removing tackle as a need and then either taking a QB or trading down (and perhaps taking an OG like Duke Robinson [could play either LG or RG depending on what the plan is for Ruben])
Yes I'm assuming that Clady is long gone before 14. Either Brohm or Woodson could slip, but I wouldn't be suprised if neither did.

Not a huge fan of Starks, as I don't see him as a LT option, which is what we need longterm. This is also why I'm not huge on Otah, he just has too many question marks. Brohm/Williams would be a tremendous first day, although that's probably being too idealistic. Maybe Woodson/Hills is a bit more realistic.

DaBear89
12-30-2007, 10:24 PM
well ya clady is still the #1 option for us in my eyes but i wouldnt argue with wat u proposed

ATLDirtyBirds
12-30-2007, 10:25 PM
No genius, he said that because Mike Vick is in jail and the QBs on their roster are Chris Redman, Joey Harrington, and Byron Leftwich. Those guys are all backup QBs at best for any team.


Sorry. I forgot you had the inside track on what's going on in the Falcons organization.

keylime_5
12-30-2007, 10:27 PM
Debatable. There may not be a more overrated position than QB. If you have a game manager who protects the ball and converts 3rd downs, you're pretty much set at QB. I'll take a Rich Gannon type of QB every day of the week.

True you can win if you don't have a great QB yet a great team around him. But if you have a great stud QB like Brady, Favre, Manning, etc. then you are pretty much a good team almost every year. QB is certainly the most important position there is no way around it. If you have a sucky QB then even if you have a great team around him your team will be awful with only a couple injuries (2007 Bears, 2007 Ravens). Teams with great QBs have HUGE advantages in building a super bowl winner than teams without IMO.

Rich Jr
12-30-2007, 10:27 PM
Debatable. There may not be a more overrated position than QB. If you have a game manager who protects the ball and converts 3rd downs, you're pretty much set at QB. I'll take a Rich Gannon type of QB every day of the week.Trent Dilfer agrees.

keylime_5
12-30-2007, 10:31 PM
Sorry. I forgot you had the inside track on what's going on in the Falcons organization.

So this means you assume that with Petrino gone, Blank doesn't think they are obligated to bring in a young franchise QB anymore? Gimme a break, it's not inside info it's common sense. I've been following the draft since 2003 and this smells exactly like a few situations I've seen before. Blank talking about his QB situation publically makes this an even easier situation to predict. Sure they'll consider McFadden and Long, but I don't see them taking anyone in this draft over Ryan at this rate.

Put yourself in someone else's shoes. Chicago is in the same situation. Say Chicago had the #1 overall pick, you think they'd take McFadden or Long over Ryan even though they don't have a QB at all, and they need a RB and OT? Chicago, like Atlanta, would take Ryan even though McFadden and Long might be better prospects on almost everyone's board.

ATLDirtyBirds
12-30-2007, 10:33 PM
So this means you assume that with Petrino gone, Blank doesn't think they are obligated to bring in a young franchise QB anymore? Gimme a break, it's not inside info it's common sense. I've been following the draft since 2003 and this smells exactly like a few situations I've seen before. Blank talking about his QB situation publically makes this an even easier situation to predict. Sure they'll consider McFadden and Long, but I don't see them taking anyone in this draft over Ryan at this rate.


You don't think he might have felt at all compelled to draft a QB, for a coach who essentially came here for Mike Vick?

Go_Eli
12-30-2007, 10:34 PM
So Cleveland at 20 and Tennessee at 25 (roughly)?

kmartin575
12-30-2007, 10:38 PM
Found this on nfl.com:

TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURE FOR SELECTION MEETING (aka draft)

If two or more clubs are tied in the selection order, the strength-of-schedule tie breaker is applied, subject to the following exceptions for playoff clubs:

1. The Super Bowl winner is last and the Super Bowl loser next-to-last.

2. Any non-Super Bowl playoff club involved in a tie shall be assigned priority within its segment below that of non-playoff clubs and in the order that the playoff clubs exited from the playoffs. Thus, within a tied segment a playoff club that loses in the Wild-Card game will have priority over a playoff club that loses in the Divisional playoff game, which in turn will have priority over a club that loses in the Conference Championship game. If two tied clubs exited the playoffs in the same round, the tie is broken by strength of schedule.

If any ties cannot be broken by strength of schedule, the divisional or conference tie breakers, whichever are applicable, are applied. Any ties that still exist are broken by a coin flip.

http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures

If that is the case then I believe the top 5 should be like this:

1. Miami
2. St. Louis
3. Atlanta (1-5 division)
4. KC (2-4 division, 3-9 conference)
5. Oakland (2-4 division, 4-8 conference)

Don Killuminati
12-30-2007, 10:40 PM
Trent Dilfer agrees.

Brad Johnson and Ben Roethlisberger also support this method.

Smokey Joe
12-30-2007, 10:42 PM
Yes I'm assuming that Clady is long gone before 14. Either Brohm or Woodson could slip, but I wouldn't be suprised if neither did.

Not a huge fan of Starks, as I don't see him as a LT option, which is what we need longterm. This is also why I'm not huge on Otah, he just has too many question marks. Brohm/Williams would be a tremendous first day, although that's probably being too idealistic. Maybe Woodson/Hills is a bit more realistic.
I was actually just thinking that we should put Starks at RT and just let him solidify that spot and let Tait finish his last 2 seasons here and just draft his future replacement next season or something along those lines.

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o217/mpbd/DaleAvy.jpg

Smokey Joe
12-30-2007, 10:43 PM
Found this on nfl.com:

TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURE FOR SELECTION MEETING (aka draft)

If two or more clubs are tied in the selection order, the strength-of-schedule tie breaker is applied, subject to the following exceptions for playoff clubs:

1. The Super Bowl winner is last and the Super Bowl loser next-to-last.

2. Any non-Super Bowl playoff club involved in a tie shall be assigned priority within its segment below that of non-playoff clubs and in the order that the playoff clubs exited from the playoffs. Thus, within a tied segment a playoff club that loses in the Wild-Card game will have priority over a playoff club that loses in the Divisional playoff game, which in turn will have priority over a club that loses in the Conference Championship game. If two tied clubs exited the playoffs in the same round, the tie is broken by strength of schedule.

If any ties cannot be broken by strength of schedule, the divisional or conference tie breakers, whichever are applicable, are applied. Any ties that still exist are broken by a coin flip.

http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures

If that is the case then I believe the top 5 should be like this:

1. Miami
2. St. Louis
3. Atlanta (1-5 division)
4. KC (2-4 division, 3-9 conference)
5. Oakland (2-4 division, 4-8 conference)
Since Atlanta and KC are in different conferences, there's will be determined by a coin flip...

fenikz
12-30-2007, 10:46 PM
Found this on nfl.com:

TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURE FOR SELECTION MEETING (aka draft)

If two or more clubs are tied in the selection order, the strength-of-schedule tie breaker is applied, subject to the following exceptions for playoff clubs:

1. The Super Bowl winner is last and the Super Bowl loser next-to-last.

2. Any non-Super Bowl playoff club involved in a tie shall be assigned priority within its segment below that of non-playoff clubs and in the order that the playoff clubs exited from the playoffs. Thus, within a tied segment a playoff club that loses in the Wild-Card game will have priority over a playoff club that loses in the Divisional playoff game, which in turn will have priority over a club that loses in the Conference Championship game. If two tied clubs exited the playoffs in the same round, the tie is broken by strength of schedule.

If any ties cannot be broken by strength of schedule, the divisional or conference tie breakers, whichever are applicable, are applied. Any ties that still exist are broken by a coin flip.

http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures

If that is the case then I believe the top 5 should be like this:

1. Miami
2. St. Louis
3. Atlanta (1-5 division)
4. KC (2-4 division, 3-9 conference)
5. Oakland (2-4 division, 4-8 conference)

kinda looks like that is only for playoff teams

Don Killuminati
12-30-2007, 10:50 PM
The funniest part about this, for me, is that we go through this every single year...and by the time December rolls around again, nobody remembers what the actual tiebreaker rules are.

Every damn year...

Paranoidmoonduck
12-30-2007, 10:52 PM
Since Atlanta and KC are in different conferences, there's will be determined by a coin flip...

And, as I understand it, were Atlanta to lose the coin flip with Kansas City, they would have to have another coin flip with Oakland since they are also in different conferences.

Number 10
12-30-2007, 10:53 PM
So does anybody have the order?

Smokey Joe
12-30-2007, 10:54 PM
kinda looks like that is only for playoff teams
If that were the case, by the wording nfl.com used, then SoS would only be used for playoff teams as well.

Smokey Joe
12-30-2007, 10:55 PM
this is what I determined...

01 - Miami
02 - St. Louis
03 - Atlanta/Kansas City/Oakland (coin flip)^
04 - Atlanta/Kansas City/Oakland (coin flip)^
05 - Atlanta/Kansas City/Oakland (coin flip)^
06 - N.Y. Jets
07 - New England (from SF)
08 - Baltimore
09 - Cincinnati
10 - New Orleans
11 - Buffalo/Denver (coin flip)
12 - Buffalo/Denver (coin flip)
13 - Carolina
14 - Chicago
15 - Detroit
16 - Arizona
17 - Minnesota
18 - Houston
19 - Eagles
20 - Tampa Bay*
21 - Washington*
22 - Dallas (from CLE)
23 - Tennessee*
24 - Seattle*
25 - Pittsburgh*
26 - N.Y. Giants*
27 - San Diego*
28 - Jacksonville*
29 - Green Bay*
30 - San Francisco (from IND)*
31 - Dallas*
32 - New England (forfeited)*


^-The coin toss will be between Atlanta and Kansas City because they are in different conferences and Oakland will not be involved because they have a better conference record then Kansas City (which means they can not pick higher then Kansas City). If Atlanta wins, there will not be another coin toss for the 4th or 5th pick because Kansas City wins the tiebreaker for the higher pick. However, if Kansas City wins the coin flip, then there will be another coin flip between Oakland and Atlanta since they are in different conferences.

*-playoff team whose pick is still not completely determined because of superbowl.

Smokey Joe
12-30-2007, 10:56 PM
And, as I understand it, were Atlanta to lose the coin flip with Kansas City, they would have to have another coin flip with Oakland since they are also in different conferences.ahh, I believe you are correct...

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 10:56 PM
The funniest part about this, for me, is that we go through this every single year...and by the time December rolls around again, nobody remembers what the actual tiebreaker rules are.

Every damn year...

Haha. (10 characters)

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 10:57 PM
I say we just role a 3-sided dice.

Well, that is unless the Falcons have the third overall pick.

But I am confused.

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 11:00 PM
If we are behind the Chiefs we lose out on Jake Long. The smart pick but I can't see us taking him.

If we are behind the Raiders we lose out on Darren McFadden. The second best pick but the most likely. Hopefully they go with Vernon Gholston.

If we are behind both we get butt ****** like last year when we fell behind Arizona and Washington and Minnesota in the draft and they took (respectively) Levi Brown, LaRon Landry, and Adrian Peterson and left us with the scraps by the name of Jamaal Anderson.

Number 10
12-30-2007, 11:03 PM
Smokey-

Cleveland's pick (belongs to Dallas) will be after teams with 9 wins...teams that do not make the playoffs still can pick after teams that make the playoffs if they have more wins. It happened last year.

Don Killuminati
12-30-2007, 11:04 PM
So does anybody have the order?

It doesn't appear that there is one right now.

Smokey Joe
12-30-2007, 11:10 PM
Smokey-

Cleveland's pick (belongs to Dallas) will be after teams with 9 wins...teams that do not make the playoffs still can pick after teams that make the playoffs if they have more wins. It happened last year.
damn, I forgot about that...

Young Legend
12-30-2007, 11:11 PM
if the raiders end up with the 5th pick i would love to see them trade down..

Smokey Joe
12-30-2007, 11:12 PM
okay everyone, this is the most accurate order, I think...

01 - Miami
02 - St. Louis
03 - Atlanta/Kansas City (coin flip)^
04 - Atlanta/Kansas City/Oakland (coin flip)^
05 - Atlanta/Oakland (coin flip)^
06 - N.Y. Jets
07 - New England (from SF)
08 - Baltimore
09 - Cincinnati
10 - New Orleans
11 - Buffalo/Denver (coin flip)
12 - Buffalo/Denver (coin flip)
13 - Carolina
14 - Chicago
15 - Detroit
16 - Arizona
17 - Minnesota
18 - Houston
19 - Eagles
20 - Tampa Bay*
21 - Washington*
22 - Dallas (from CLE)
23 - Tennessee*Seattle*
24 - Pittsburgh*
25 - Pittsburgh*Tennessee*
26 - N.Y. Giants*
27 - San Diego*
28 - Jacksonville*
29 - Green Bay*
30 - San Francisco (from IND)*
31 - Dallas*
32 - New England (forfeited)*

^-The coin toss will be between Atlanta and Kansas City because they are in different conferences and Oakland will not be involved because they have a better conference record then Kansas City (which means they can not pick higher then Kansas City). If Atlanta wins, there will not be another coin toss for the 4th or 5th pick because Kansas City wins the tiebreaker for the higher pick. However, if Kansas City wins the coin flip, then there will be another coin flip between Oakland and Atlanta since they are in different conferences. So, basically, there is no way Kansas City can pick 5th and no way Oakland can pick 3rd. Atlanta could end up at any spot however.

*-playoff team whose pick is still not completely determined because the playoffs still can determine where they pick.

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 11:14 PM
I would love for the Falcons to trade down even though I still have no idea what is going on. I'll take Matt Ryan/ Ryan Clady if I can pick up another 2nd round pick. We would have 4 picks in the first 2 rounds and 10 picks overall if we get a compensation picks.

Smokey Joe
12-30-2007, 11:21 PM
my prediction of what will happen...

01 - Miami
02 - St. Louis
03 - Atlanta
04 - Kansas City
05 - Oakland
06 - N.Y. Jets
07 - New England (from SF)
08 - Baltimore
09 - Cincinnati
10 - New Orleans
11 - Buffalo
12 - Denver
13 - Carolina
14 - Chicago
15 - Detroit
16 - Arizona
17 - Minnesota
18 - Houston
19 - Eagles
20 - Tampa Bay
21 - Dallas (from CLE)
22 - Tennessee
23 - Seattle
24 - N.Y. Giants
25 - Pittsburgh
26 - San Diego
27 - Dallas
28 - Green Bay
29 - San Francisco (from IND)
30 - New England (forfeited)
31 - Washington (become a true miracle story and the team rallies behind the help from their lost friend and teammate, but come up short in the superbowl)
32 - Jacksonville (dominate in the playoffs due to their hard nosed style of football)

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 11:38 PM
my prediction of what will happen...

01 - Miami
02 - St. Louis
03 - Atlanta
04 - Kansas City
05 - Oakland
06 - N.Y. Jets
07 - New England (from SF)
08 - Baltimore
09 - Cincinnati
10 - New Orleans
11 - Buffalo
12 - Denver
13 - Carolina
14 - Chicago
15 - Detroit
16 - Arizona
17 - Minnesota
18 - Houston
19 - Eagles
20 - Tampa Bay
21 - Dallas (from CLE)
22 - Tennessee
23 - Seattle
24 - N.Y. Giants
25 - Pittsburgh
26 - San Diego
27 - Dallas
28 - Green Bay
29 - San Francisco (from IND)
30 - New England (forfeited)
31 - Washington (become a true miracle story and the team rallies behind the help from their lost friend and teammate, but come up short in the superbowl)
32 - Jacksonville (dominate in the playoffs due to their hard nosed style of football)

I hope. (10 characters)

IBleedGreen18
12-30-2007, 11:48 PM
Pick Team Wins Losses Win % Opp Win % Division Record Conference Record
1 MIA 1 15 0.063 0.539 0.000 0.083
2 STL 3 13 0.188 0.512 0.167 0.250
3 ATL 4 12 0.250 0.500 0.143 0.250
4 KC 4 12 0.250 0.516 0.333 0.250
5 OAK 4 12 0.250 0.516 0.333 0.333
6 NYJ 4 12 0.250 0.522 0.333 0.333
7 SF 5 11 0.313 0.465 0.500 0.333
8 BAL 5 11 0.313 0.518 0.167 0.167
9 CIN 7 9 0.438 0.459 0.500 0.500
10 NO 7 9 0.438 0.480 0.500 0.500
11 BUF 7 9 0.438 0.516 0.667 0.500
12 DEN 7 9 0.438 0.516 0.500 0.500
13 CAR 7 9 0.438 0.524 0.500 0.583
14 CHI 7 9 0.438 0.543 0.333 0.333
15 DET 7 9 0.438 0.543 0.500 0.333
16 ARI 8 8 0.500 0.449 0.571 0.417
17 MIN 8 8 0.500 0.504 0.500 0.500
18 HOU 8 8 0.500 0.516 0.167 0.417
19 PHI 8 8 0.500 0.563 0.333 0.417




This is thanks to someone on another site, but very reliable, and there aren't coinflips necessary. div/conf records take care of any tie breakers.

thetedginnshow
12-30-2007, 11:51 PM
Damnit Jets. You could have picked 3rd. Oh well. You should still get someone good.

BamaFalcon59
12-30-2007, 11:53 PM
Pick Team Wins Losses Win % Opp Win % Division Record Conference Record
1 MIA 1 15 0.063 0.539 0.000 0.083
2 STL 3 13 0.188 0.512 0.167 0.250
3 ATL 4 12 0.250 0.500 0.143 0.250
4 KC 4 12 0.250 0.516 0.333 0.250
5 OAK 4 12 0.250 0.516 0.333 0.333
6 NYJ 4 12 0.250 0.522 0.333 0.333
7 SF 5 11 0.313 0.465 0.500 0.333
8 BAL 5 11 0.313 0.518 0.167 0.167
9 CIN 7 9 0.438 0.459 0.500 0.500
10 NO 7 9 0.438 0.480 0.500 0.500
11 BUF 7 9 0.438 0.516 0.667 0.500
12 DEN 7 9 0.438 0.516 0.500 0.500
13 CAR 7 9 0.438 0.524 0.500 0.583
14 CHI 7 9 0.438 0.543 0.333 0.333
15 DET 7 9 0.438 0.543 0.500 0.333
16 ARI 8 8 0.500 0.449 0.571 0.417
17 MIN 8 8 0.500 0.504 0.500 0.500
18 HOU 8 8 0.500 0.516 0.167 0.417
19 PHI 8 8 0.500 0.563 0.333 0.417




This is thanks to someone on another site, but very reliable, and there aren't coinflips necessary. div/conf records take care of any tie breakers.


SportsCenter on ESPN says differently and that the NFL will come up with a solution to the tiebreaker on Monday.

Iamcanadian
12-30-2007, 11:55 PM
Here is the correct order:

3,4 and 5 between Kansas City, Oakland and Atlanta will be decided by a coin flip.
The only tie breaker for the draft is SOS and then a coin flip. The other tie breakers people are talking about only involve deciding on who gets into the playoffs, they don't involve the draft.

http://www.gbnreport.com/weeklydraftorder.htm

Paranoidmoonduck
12-31-2007, 12:22 AM
Actually, GBN says the exact same thing a lot of people have said in this thread. The Chiefs already have the tiebreaker over the Raiders, so there is no conceivable way Oakland can pick before Kansas City. However, there is still a three way tie that could conceivably involve two coin flips to resolve.

PossumBoy9
12-31-2007, 12:31 AM
Most teams do that. But when it comes to franchise QBs everyone and their mother knows it's a whole different ballgame. The rule in the NFL usually is if there's a franchise QB available and you don't have one you take him. This doesn't happen, but only on rare occasions (for example Miami wanted Beck in RD2, so they passed on Quinn). You Falcons fans can stay in denial all you want, but I'm with Scott on this one.

Do you not think it's possible the Falcons could have the same strategy the Dolphins had last year, particularly if they have a chance at DMC?

PossumBoy9
12-31-2007, 12:34 AM
The funniest part about this, for me, is that we go through this every single year...and by the time December rolls around again, nobody remembers what the actual tiebreaker rules are.

Every damn year...

Yeah, I hear that.

Vilma the Animal
12-31-2007, 12:58 AM
Why do the Jets suck at sucking? I give up

scar988
12-31-2007, 12:58 AM
Do you not think it's possible the Falcons could have the same strategy the Dolphins had last year, particularly if they have a chance at DMC?
its entirely possible. especially if Colt Brennan tears up UGA.

Gay Ork Wang
12-31-2007, 05:45 AM
It be 07 Fins all over again :D maybe not that sucky

Stoopid512
12-31-2007, 09:11 AM
Saints picking at #10...unbelievable because I thought they were going to try to blow a good draft pick by teasing us with a playoff run.

keylime_5
12-31-2007, 09:14 AM
Do you not think it's possible the Falcons could have the same strategy the Dolphins had last year, particularly if they have a chance at DMC?

Of course they could, but I wouldn't count on that right now. I mean, you can't assume that Atlanta is gonna wait until the 2nd round for a QB that is their biggest need when a guy like Ryan who is certainly gonna be a top10 pick is available round 1.

Don Killuminati
12-31-2007, 09:29 AM
NFLN says it's a 3 way tie with 2 coin flips deciding the positions. According to them, it's Oakland & KC flipping for 3rd and the loser flipping with ATL for the 4 spot.

...according to NFLN.

ATLDirtyBirds
12-31-2007, 10:00 AM
NFLN says it's a 3 way tie with 2 coin flips deciding the positions. According to them, it's Oakland & KC flipping for 3rd and the loser flipping with ATL for the 4 spot.

...according to NFLN.



That's a complete change from what's been said. That sucks.

D-Rod
12-31-2007, 11:07 AM
That can't be right. If they are tied for SOS, there is no tiebreaker by which ATL would automatically be below either KC or OAK.

Young Legend
12-31-2007, 11:22 AM
seeing how they are the NFLN.im pretty sure they know what there talking about..

JDB7821
12-31-2007, 11:39 AM
Folks, here's how it's going to shake down... we're publishing this on AF.com shortly, but I thought I'd share with you first. We are indeed in a tie with Oakland and KC for the third overall pick in the draft, and there will be either one or two rounds of coin flips which will occur at the Combine in February. Here is the official verbiage from the NFL's press release:

"Atlanta, Kansas City, and Oakland had the same strength-of-schedule. Since Kansas City finished third in the AFC West and the Raiders fourth (the tie was broken on the basis of the Chiefs’ 3-11 record in common games while the Raiders were 2-12), the Raiders will draft ahead of the Chiefs. Atlanta and Oakland will flip a coin for the third position; if Atlanta wins, the Falcons will draft third, the Raiders fourth, and the Chiefs fifth. If the Raiders win the coin flip, they will draft third, and the Falcons and Chiefs will flip a coin to determine the fourth and fifth positions."

This was just posted by the Moderator on the official Falcons board.

scar988
12-31-2007, 11:41 AM
Of course they could, but I wouldn't count on that right now. I mean, you can't assume that Atlanta is gonna wait until the 2nd round for a QB that is their biggest need when a guy like Ryan who is certainly gonna be a top10 pick is available round 1.yeah but he's nottop 5 value. Atlanta isn't gonna go with biggest need. it's not how we draft, we draft BPA at all of our needs.

KCJ58
12-31-2007, 12:06 PM
all i care is St. Louis is #2!!!

Oaktown1981
12-31-2007, 12:12 PM
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y58/Oaktown1981/1199080694.jpg

PossumBoy9
12-31-2007, 12:36 PM
Of course they could, but I wouldn't count on that right now. I mean, you can't assume that Atlanta is gonna wait until the 2nd round for a QB that is their biggest need when a guy like Ryan who is certainly gonna be a top10 pick is available round 1.

If Miami could pass on Brady Quinn for Ted Ginn Jr., I could certainly see Atlanta pass on Matt Ryan for Darren McFadden.

PossumBoy9
12-31-2007, 12:40 PM
Folks, here's how it's going to shake down... we're publishing this on AF.com shortly, but I thought I'd share with you first. We are indeed in a tie with Oakland and KC for the third overall pick in the draft, and there will be either one or two rounds of coin flips which will occur at the Combine in February. Here is the official verbiage from the NFL's press release:

"Atlanta, Kansas City, and Oakland had the same strength-of-schedule. Since Kansas City finished third in the AFC West and the Raiders fourth (the tie was broken on the basis of the Chiefs’ 3-11 record in common games while the Raiders were 2-12), the Raiders will draft ahead of the Chiefs. Atlanta and Oakland will flip a coin for the third position; if Atlanta wins, the Falcons will draft third, the Raiders fourth, and the Chiefs fifth. If the Raiders win the coin flip, they will draft third, and the Falcons and Chiefs will flip a coin to determine the fourth and fifth positions."

This was just posted by the Moderator on the official Falcons board.

This is what Great Blue North is also reporting.

Young Legend
12-31-2007, 12:48 PM
so whoever wins the thrid pick will pick McFadden.

stick
12-31-2007, 01:10 PM
I think they should change the coin flip to a game of paper/rock/scissors. I might pay to see that ... Al Davis vs. Aurther Blank, the winner will probably draft McFadden, the loser likely has a heart attack.
Plus, if they played paper/rock/scissors, we wouldn't have to hear about any anti-Raider conspiracy theories if Oakland loses.

porter20
12-31-2007, 01:22 PM
Wow...Oakland could get McFadden and JaMarcus Russell in the same backfield. Bad news for AFC West!!

PackerLegend
12-31-2007, 01:24 PM
Why do the Jets suck at sucking? I give up

that sucks your 4-12 just like the 3 teams ahead of you yet your picking 6th overall. Atleast it will save you a little bit of money

JK-47
12-31-2007, 01:57 PM
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/2008/nfl_draft_order.cfm

Iamcanadian
12-31-2007, 02:43 PM
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d805a3a57&template=without-video&confirm=true

Here is the NFL's draft order posted on NFL.com with explanations.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d805a3a57&template=without-video&confirm=true

There is a 3 way tie for picks #3, 4, and 5. However, only Oakland and Atlanta will toss a coin for the #3 pick as Oakland finished officially in 4th spot in the AFC West while Kansas City officially finished 3rd. If Oakland wins the flip with Atlanta, then Atlanta and Kansas City will flip for picks #4 and #5. However, if Atlanta wins the flip with Oakland then they pick #3 with Oakland #4 and Kansas City #5 since Oakland is deemed to have the worst record between them and Kansas City.

Scotty D
12-31-2007, 03:20 PM
Wow...Oakland could get McFadden and JaMarcus Russell in the same backfield. Bad news for AFC West!!

Running the ball was one of the bright spots for Oakland this year, no?

Young Legend
12-31-2007, 04:05 PM
Running the ball was one of the bright spots for Oakland this year, no?

Yep but Mcfadden is a playmaker some one who can be a franchise RB..

WMD
12-31-2007, 04:12 PM
Justin Fargas is a Free Agent if I'm not mistaken... LaMont Jordan asked for his release earlier this year, and Dominic Rhodes only signed a 2 year deal with the team and is no reason to pass on McFadden.. I think he'd be a great pick for them.

Scotty D
12-31-2007, 04:20 PM
Justin Fargas is a Free Agent if I'm not mistaken... LaMont Jordan asked for his release earlier this year, and Dominic Rhodes only signed a 2 year deal with the team and is no reason to pass on McFadden.. I think he'd be a great pick for them.

I don't know. I'd re-sign Fargas do a decent 3 or 4 year deal. Michael Bush may be decent. Then draft a guy like Dorsey, Long, or Long.

keylime_5
12-31-2007, 04:48 PM
yeah but he's nottop 5 value. Atlanta isn't gonna go with biggest need. it's not how we draft, we draft BPA at all of our needs.

What did I just type? Teams always change their draft philosophy when it comes to franchise QBs. If they need a franchise QB and one is avaialable who is near the value of the pick then they probably take him even if he's not BPA on their board. (i.e. Alex Smith, JaMarcus Russell, David Carr, etc.). Matt Ryan is good value at 5-10, so to reach for him by 1 or 2 picks would not be a total reach considering they only have Redman, Leftwich, and Harrington. If those are the QBs on their roster going into the draft, they take Ryan for sure. Miami did pass on a franchise QB last year to get one they liked in the 2nd round, but I'm sure Atlanta sees now that after doing that the Dolphins now have the top pick a year later.

scar988
12-31-2007, 04:56 PM
What did I just type? Teams always change their draft philosophy when it comes to franchise QBs. If they need a franchise QB and one is avaialable who is near the value of the pick then they probably take him even if he's not BPA on their board. (i.e. Alex Smith, JaMarcus Russell, David Carr, etc.). Matt Ryan is good value at 5-10, so to reach for him by 1 or 2 picks would not be a total reach considering they only have Redman, Leftwich, and Harrington. If those are the QBs on their roster going into the draft, they take Ryan for sure. Miami did pass on a franchise QB last year to get one they liked in the 2nd round, but I'm sure Atlanta sees now that after doing that the Dolphins now have the top pick a year later.

Leftwich and Harrington will get cut. no question. we'll have Shockley and Redman at least on our roster. expec us to sign a QB as well. but we will not go without the value pick at our pick. it's not how we draft. and until there's a new GM, I'm telling you that McKay will not reach for a QB. HE will take the guy he has rated best on his board. whether that's a QB or not.

BamaFalcon59
12-31-2007, 05:08 PM
I'll admit I like Matt Ryan slightly more after the bowl game but still not a ton. I liked some of the deep passes I saw, but I still think he forces the play too much. Reminds me somewhat of a more accurate Eli Manning + Ben Roethlisburger's excapability. Which is bad because if Eli could escape tackle he would throw a lot more interceptions.

sweetness34
12-31-2007, 06:11 PM
I hate this ****, so a team is penalized for having a better opponents' win/loss percentage in the draft order. BULL ******* ****!!

Tampa 2 4 life
12-31-2007, 06:39 PM
I hate this ****, so a team is penalized for having a better opponents' win/loss percentage in the draft order. BULL ******* ****!!

It makes sense when you think about it. A team that went 8-8 against a weak schedule is worse than a team that went 8-8 against a top schedule.

Young Legend
01-01-2008, 01:01 PM
I don't know. I'd re-sign Fargas do a decent 3 or 4 year deal. Michael Bush may be decent. Then draft a guy like Dorsey, Long, or Long.

But you can also make a case that Glenn Dorsey and Chris Long..will be the first 2 picks in the nfl draft..but Jake Long could be a option.

SubNoize
01-01-2008, 01:18 PM
I don't know. I'd re-sign Fargas do a decent 3 or 4 year deal. Michael Bush may be decent. Then draft a guy like Dorsey, Long, or Long.

Fargas had a good year, but his durability has to be a concern having never carried the load for a whole season, he didn't take over until about week 8, and was injured by week 15. Bush is the X-factor but you don't bank on a guy to pan out having never seen him in practice or game situations. It it smarter to bet on a sure thing, and I think McFadden is a consensus sure thing. I know people question his frame and up right running style, but the style is a similar concern brought up when AD was coming out and you can add bulk, I doubt he's maxed out.

PossumBoy9
01-01-2008, 01:40 PM
Miami did pass on a franchise QB last year to get one they liked in the 2nd round, but I'm sure Atlanta sees now that after doing that the Dolphins now have the top pick a year later.

You think Brady Quinn would have had a huge impact on the Dolphins record this year?

You think the Falcons think Matt Ryan would win a bunch of games next year?