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Mr. Stiller
03-15-2008, 06:01 PM
Yup no probs! Do you want it the same as mine and TheWoods (which are very similar) or something abit different???

Jakey.. I'll take one with Anthony Smith on it.

Surprise me ;)

steelersfan27
03-15-2008, 06:41 PM
umm..the ones you and thewood have are really good, so if just one like that would be good. thanks

Mr. Stiller
03-17-2008, 01:43 AM
Been a while... So without Further adu.. ***.03.17.08

No-Trade: (NFLDraftscout rank)

1.23) Brandon Albert, LG/OT, Virginia (24)
2.53) Curtis Lofton, ILB, Oklahoma (55)
3.86) Kendall Langford, DE, Hampton (96)
4.118) Antwuan Molden, FS/CB, Eastern Kentucky (121)
5.150) Brian Johnston, DE/OLB, Gardner-Webb ( 154)
6.182) Tommy Blake, OLB, TCU (182)


Trade: (NFLDS Rank)... (Trade is Minnesota 2- 3rds + 5th for 2nd)

1.23) Brandon Albert, LG/OT, Virginia (24) ~ 6'5 5/8" 309lbs 5.17

I believe Albert will give us a huge boost in the interior of the OL. I didn't add any other depth because I believe that with Starks signing we have 4 OT's and frankly no need to add another right now, with Essex/Starks departure next year (Especially since they're discussing extension with Marvel and the fact we have Colon), there is no need to jump the gun and grab a player that won't likely contribute, especially with the level of talent next year. I truly believe that Albert could play all 4 exterior positions of the OL and in doing so I think he shows potential to be an all-pro lineman.

3.73) Shawn Crable, OLB, Michigan (73) ~ 6'4 7/8" 245lbs 4.61

Some love, some hate Crable. I think Crable can do a lot of things. First off as a rookie I think he gives us a very athletic guy that can contribute on St's. He's a fierce but sure tackler as shown by his 28.5 TFL's and 90 Tackles overall. I see potential. He's a very tough competitor and I think given the opportunity that he could be the future at ROLB. He showed a lot of potential as a 3-4 OLB, and I think his lanky body, athleticism, willingness to play the run, and nasty demeanor... I think he's perfect for our system. He's OLB first and foremost. Now whether he becomes the starter at ROLB is unknown dependant on what we do with Harrison, etc. But I think he has the tools, strength and the frame to add 10-20 lbs and keep his speed. I do like that his lanky arms will keep opposing teams tackles out of his body. I think with some passrushing work with Mitchell and help from Harrison he could give us another athletic and fierce LB. I like seeing Timmons, Crable, Woodley and Farrior/Harrison as the starting group. I know a lot of people want a Merriman like Jumbo OLB and while I don't think Crable will be the passrusher Merriman is, I think he'll be a better all around player, possibly like Ware, better against the run and in coverage make up for the drop in pass rush. Though we do have a better strongside passrusher than Dallas and San Diego IMO.

3.82) Jordy Nelson, WR, Kansas State(83) ~ 6'2 5/8" 217lbs 4.51 (1.50 10' time)

Jordy Nelson is IMO a Taller, Faster, Stronger Hines Ward. He has quite a few reasons to be my 3rd pick overall. He's bigger, runs excellent routes, has absolutely amazing hands, he is willing to block, and even though he's not a gamebreaker, he is a reliable Return Specialist. I think with some time as the #3 WR, and guidance from Hines I think he could eventually be our #2/#1 WR. He is fast enough that he can cause trouble with Pro WR's. Physical enough to beat the jams at the line. Not afraid to go over the middle and has the hands to make any catch. Check out http://youtube.com/watch?v=mIUu-nLx0lw&feature=related I would love to have Ben have a WR like that. Thats a chain mover.

3.88) Kendall Langford, DE, Hampton(96) ~ 6'5 4/8" 287lbs 4.95 (1.62 10)

Kendall Langford is an interesting prospect. He possesses a lot of raw power and athleticism. I think his issue is he hasn't had to play against better players and had the coaching of better coaches. I think he is a Mitchell type prospect. A bit like Aaron Smith, but I think he'll play Weakside. I Think he'll play behind Kirshke and take over on obvious passing situations. He needs a bit of technique work and has some room to improve against the run but I see the potential.

4.118) Antwuan Molden, CB/FS, Eastern Kentucky(121) ~ 6'1 198lbs 4.39 (1.43 10')

Molden is a prospect I love. I watched him at the Texas V. Nation game and he was tough. He's big, Physical. He could play Free safety or CB in our scheme. At the TvN game he played a lot of Bump'n'Run and jammed at the LOS. Thats how the Giants beat the Pats. Adding to the fact he was a big hitter as well. Perhaps he could play FS and even play Man coverage on some WR's. Giving us a versatile Ballhawking FS or a Corner that can Play Man and zone coverages.

5.146) Carlton Powell, NT/DE, Virginia Tech (143) ~ 6'2 292lbs 5.10

Carlton Powell is a Squat and Strong DE/NT type. He has a 400+Lb Bench and 550+LB squat. He's very quick and athletic. Good handwork. I makes plays behind the line a good bit. I think he could be a true 3-tech on passing downs and a SDE/NT on 1st/2nd down.

5.150) Patrick Lee, CB/FS, Auburn (162) ~ 6'0 200lbs 4.41 (1.46 10')

2 CB/FS!?!?!?! Yes. There is a method to my madness. He is a physical and fast CB that has shown he is capable of playing. Molden played at a smaller school but is rated higher. I figure bring both in. Why? I figure one will work at FS and one at Corner. My idea is right now with Molden at CB and Lee at FS, but either or. Both fast, can cover quick slot WR's and are physical Man corners. With an extra pick I don't see a reason we can't bring in competition for McFadden and DeShea.

6.182) Tommy Blake, OLB, TCU (182) ~ 6'2 6/8" 272 4.78

How many 6th rounder make an impact in this league? Realistically? From 2000-2005 there are

7 Really good players from that time in the 6th round. I figured the last 2 drafts were too soon.

Tom Brady, Marc Bulger, Chester Taylor, Justin Hartwig, Corey Williams, Adalius Thomas and Cato June.

Those were the 7 guys of what, about 38 per year (Comp picks) probably 150-200 picks that were really good. Now I know he has been mentally unstable this year. But a few things have me really wanting this pick.

1) He's not bi-polar, just depression and Anxiety disorder. Those are easily treatable. I have Both of those. I'm fine with medication and twice yearly psychological exams.

2) He is a 1st round talent, phsically. If he didn't have those issues this season, he would've been a sure 1st rounder with a shot of challenging Gholston for top 3-4 OLB Candidate on the board.

3) We're using a 6th round pick. We've addressed everything but ILB (Which Harrison/Fox are stopping me). If he turns out like we know he can be. All-American, athletic, physical and fast OLB.. we just had a top 5 steal of the century. If he continues to struggle? He may be a solid backup. Struggles too much? Cut him. It's low risk, high reward.

Now, in the straight 6 mock it's a tough decision, but I feel he's worth the risk. The doctors in Pittsburgh are phenomenal and I think they can make sure things work out.

However, I've seen this kid physically dominate a game. Literally just take over because he's so fast and strong that he becomes unblockable. Not to mention I've seen him chase down a 4.35 RB. So he has that speed, in pads. With the offseason and conditioning he certainly can be down to 250-260 by game 1 of the season.

I like the idea of Crable, Woodley, Blake and Harrison outside with Timmons, Foote, Farrior inside.

Leaving us with LT/ILB as the top needs in 2009, with OT, OLB, C/G, CB, NT needing depth next year.


Blast away.

Personally...

I like the trade down Scenario.

Santonio10
03-17-2008, 12:23 PM
Good mock. I really like blake in the 6th for all of the reason that you gave too. Im not sure about crable in the second, i think we could go with a corner there, maybe Justin King like in the new mock. I wouldnt be complaining if we got him though cuz he does have a lot of potential and hes always in the opponents backfield

CDub
03-17-2008, 02:25 PM
PPG reports that both Keilen Dykes (DT WVU) and Dre Moore (DT MD) were in to visit with the Steelers today. Interesting that these are the first two players brought in as today was the first day that teams were allowed to have prospects visit.

Also - I am on the Shawn Crable bandwagon. While I don't view him as quite the impact player that Woodley can be I think he can be a solid player who could perform a little better than Haggans did. Maybe not an all-pro but certainly a good value in the third rd and maybe even the late 2nd.

terribletowel39
03-17-2008, 02:30 PM
mike's gonna love that. haha

mikehop05
03-17-2008, 03:01 PM
woohoo that would be a dream come true

classic combination of when two of the best worlds collide

mikehop05
03-17-2008, 03:02 PM
and stiller i am feeling that reg. mock of yours

Hines
03-17-2008, 03:14 PM
I have a mock in mind, but I will post that later. If we sign Justin Hartwig and if we dont sign him. It should be up later today or tommorow.

Also, I dont understand why we didnt make a play for DJ Hackett since he only signed for 3.3 million over 2 years.

mikehop05
03-17-2008, 07:38 PM
I have a mock in mind, but I will post that later. If we sign Justin Hartwig and if we dont sign him. It should be up later today or tommorow.

Also, I dont understand why we didnt make a play for DJ Hackett since he only signed for 3.3 million over 2 years.

BECAUSE WE DONT SIGN MANY FREE AGENTS HOW MANY TIMES MUST THAT BE EXPLAINED

DeathbyStat
03-18-2008, 05:43 PM
He got Hartwig.

Great move...or greatest move?

I'm really not very sure about this guy but anything beats Mahan

brat316
03-18-2008, 05:47 PM
Can we cut Mahan now

Hines
03-18-2008, 06:04 PM
Love the Hartwig move. I kind of wished we used that money to sign DJ Hackett which we could've afforded. This means Mahan moves to guard and I dont think we need to draft offensive line untill the 3rd or 4th round IMO.

Hines
03-18-2008, 06:05 PM
BECAUSE WE DONT SIGN MANY FREE AGENTS HOW MANY TIMES MUST THAT BE EXPLAINED

We could've gotten Hackett genius.

brat316
03-18-2008, 06:09 PM
How long is Mahan contract anyways one more year. And Marvell isn't doing to great with his back problems.

When we go into the draft, I think we are going to draft a Cb first pick. McFaddens in contract year, and he can't beat a guy that is 34.

Also this opens up a few more options for the draft now, like drafting a linemen late, going WR first or cb first, no one really saw Timmons coming here.

mikehop05
03-18-2008, 06:11 PM
so what does this mean for the draft?

better chance we go skill pos. in rd 1?

maybe dre moore???

Hines
03-18-2008, 06:16 PM
so what does this mean for the draft?

better chance we go skill pos. in rd 1?

maybe dre moore???

I could possibly see us drafting Malcolm Kelly, Limas Sweed, Devin Thomas, or Groves. I see Dre Moore just a second rounder so I would leave him there for us to draft him. I dont see us drafting offensive lineman till the third-fourth round. Next year we can go drafting a tackle.

Santonio10
03-18-2008, 06:17 PM
Tomlin was in to watch Penn States pro day, which i think was today. Im pretty sure he was mostly watching Justin King...which makes me happy cuz there would be nothing better than seeing king in a steeler uniform next year being a psu fan

DeathbyStat
03-18-2008, 06:17 PM
Well maybe can go after Jame Hardy or Devin Thomas in the first...but I still wouldn't mind Albert in the first.

If its not Albert in the first we might go

1st James Hardy

2nd Chilo Rachal

3rd Justin King

4th Kendall Langford

5th Eddie Royal

6th Perhaps a saftey

brat316
03-18-2008, 06:18 PM
I think Royal is going in the 4th round after a good combine and amazing senior bowl he defeintly upped his stock.

Hines
03-18-2008, 06:19 PM
How long is Mahan contract anyways one more year. And Marvell isn't doing to great with his back problems.

When we go into the draft, I think we are going to draft a Cb first pick. McFaddens in contract year, and he can't beat a guy that is 34.

Also this opens up a few more options for the draft now, like drafting a linemen late, going WR first or cb first, no one really saw Timmons coming here.

Mahan has four more years left in his contract. Those four years can hold down the LG position for the mean time. Starks can play LT if Smith cant go. I like Colon as RT and Simmons as RG. I like our line, and I think Hartwig makes it better IMO. I wouldnt doubt it if we got Kelly or Hardy in the first round with King or Cason in the second.

Santonio10
03-18-2008, 06:19 PM
I think we still might go for a lineman in the first round. We still need some more work up front even with hartwig. i love brandan albert in the first.

Hines
03-18-2008, 06:20 PM
Well maybe can go after Jame Hardy or Devin Thomas in the first...but I still wouldn't mind Albert in the first.

If its not Albert in the first we might go

1st James Hardy

2nd Chilo Rachal

3rd Justin King

4th Kendall Langford

5th Eddie Royal

6th Perhaps a saftey

IMO King goes in the second, Royal might squeeze in the second but I see him in the third, and Langford goes in the third. In the sixth, I want to get Jaime Silva.

DeathbyStat
03-18-2008, 06:21 PM
I think we still might go for a lineman in the first round. We still need some more work up front even with hartwig. i love brandan albert in the first.

Yeah still can't shake my want for albert in the first

brat316
03-18-2008, 06:21 PM
Cb in the first

mikehop05
03-18-2008, 06:21 PM
Well maybe can go after Jame Hardy or Devin Thomas in the first...but I still wouldn't mind Albert in the first.

If its not Albert in the first we might go

1st James Hardy

2nd Chilo Rachal

3rd Justin King

4th Kendall Langford

5th Eddie Royal

6th Perhaps a saftey

i hate to be a joykill but ive seen king go as high as the first round... i doubt he lasts til the 3rd

but id lovve for that draft to happen

Hines
03-18-2008, 06:22 PM
I see WR or Groves in the first. Just a hunch.

DeathbyStat
03-18-2008, 06:24 PM
i hate to be a joykill but ive seen king go as high as the first round... i doubt he lasts til the 3rd

but id lovve for that draft to happen

Yeah your probly right I'm a penn state student and a season ticket holder and I can tell you that Justin is a much better athlete than a football player and perhaps a poteintal bust.

He is certaintly a boom or bust prospect and the I wouldn't touch him until the third round.

Or maybe where were picking at the end of the second

DeathbyStat
03-18-2008, 06:26 PM
I see WR or Groves in the first. Just a hunch.

Groves wouldn't be bad...didn't he battle injuries all year so he is a little under rated.

mikehop05
03-18-2008, 06:26 PM
Yeah your probly right I'm a penn state student and a season ticket holder and I can tell you that Justin is a much better athlete than a football player and perhaps a poteintal bust.

He is certaintly a boom or bust prospect and the I wouldn't touch him until the third round.

Or maybe where were picking at the end of the second

oh i completely agree with you and your assesment, but i just didnt want peoples getting htier hopes up with a guy like him lasting until the 3rd

though its still possible

mikehop05
03-18-2008, 06:28 PM
Groves wouldn't be bad...didn't he battle injuries all year so he is a little under rated.

yeah that and he was pretty undersized at the 4-3.. and mostly relied on speed...

i think he'd be a great fit for us at olb in the 3 - 4

mikehop05
03-18-2008, 06:29 PM
I see WR or Groves in the first. Just a hunch.

i agree

unless chris williams falls to us

DeathbyStat
03-18-2008, 06:30 PM
oh i completely agree with you and your assesment, but i just didnt want peoples getting htier hopes up with a guy like him lasting until the 3rd

though its still possible

I get you. I'm just not a huge fan. but he has amazing measurables and could at the very least help in the return game.

terribletowel39
03-18-2008, 06:34 PM
I want either Groves or Albert in the first. What is wrong with some of you?? Hines, did you honestly put on this forum that you liked Simmons?? Why is the O-Line all of a sudden not a concern?? We didn't add anybody?? What makes yall think Mahan is all of a sudden gonna get better because he moves to the LG spot?? Our interior O-line sucks. And the outside ain't that good either.

Hines
03-18-2008, 06:34 PM
Groves wouldn't be bad...didn't he battle injuries all year so he is a little under rated.

He battled injuries yes, but why he moved to OLB at Auburn is because he isnt that physical playing the run. But, if he could just rush the passer real well, and put up Joey Porter tackles (50 or so), I will be happy. I can just imagine Woodley and Groves coming off the edge after the quarterback. Yikes.

steelernation77
03-18-2008, 06:35 PM
Mahan has four more years left in his contract. Those four years can hold down the LG position for the mean time. Starks can play LT if Smith cant go. I like Colon as RT and Simmons as RG. I like our line, and I think Hartwig makes it better IMO. I wouldnt doubt it if we got Kelly or Hardy in the first round with King or Cason in the second.

That's crap. Mahan should not start any where on the line. If a top tackle or Albert is available take them, no questions asked.

DeathbyStat
03-18-2008, 06:36 PM
He battled injuries yes, but why he moved to OLB at Auburn is because he isnt that physical playing the run. But, if he could just rush the passer real well, and put up Joey Porter tackles (50 or so), I will be happy. I can just imagine Woodley and Groves coming off the edge after the quarterback. Yikes.

Hey you sold me.

He or Albert....or we riot

Hines
03-18-2008, 06:37 PM
I want either Groves or Albert in the first. What is wrong with some of you?? Hines, did you honestly put on this forum that you liked Simmons?? Why is the O-Line all of a sudden not a concern?? We didn't add anybody?? What makes yall think Mahan is all of a sudden gonna get better because he moves to the LG spot?? Our interior O-line sucks. And the outside ain't that good either.

I just think Mahan is a natural LG and shouldnt of been moved to C. We signed Hartwig, but I dont see us drafting offensive line early. I see us drafting one, but not untill the third or fourth round. Next years draft, I see a lot of potential studs at tackle as well. I like Euguene Monroe a lot. Yes, yes I did say I like Simmons at RG.

Hines
03-18-2008, 06:40 PM
I am not saying we dont go offensive line in the first. It is a very good possibility that we can, but we really dont have too in the first couple of rounds. If Williams is there, I would pick him no doubt and move Colon to guard. But other then that, dont be suprised if we get WR or Groves with our first pick.

Santonio10
03-18-2008, 06:41 PM
Hey death since your a fellow PSU fan, ive been thinking about some of PSUs future players, and i just cant help but think of how awesome Aaron Maybin would be as a 3-4 olb. He has legitamite 4.5 speed and at 6-4 255 lbs. the kid is an animal. Hes one guy that really excites me

DeathbyStat
03-18-2008, 06:41 PM
I just think Mahan is a natural LG and shouldnt of been moved to C. We signed Hartwig, but I dont see us drafting offensive line early. I see us drafting one, but not untill the third or fourth round. Next years draft, I see a lot of potential studs at tackle as well. I like Euguene Monroe a lot. Yes, yes I did say I like Simmons at RG.

Well I would agree with you if it wasn't for the stud quality of Albert.

terribletowel39
03-18-2008, 06:42 PM
I just think Mahan is a natural LG and shouldnt of been moved to C. We signed Hartwig, but I dont see us drafting offensive line early. I see us drafting one, but not untill the third or fourth round. Next years draft, I see a lot of potential studs at tackle as well. I like Euguene Monroe a lot. Yes, yes I did say I like Simmons at RG.
have you watched any games the past two years??

what makes you like Simmons all of a sudden?? is this the year he plays to that 1st round grade?? no he will still get manhandled by every DT that blows at him.

Oh, so last year wasn't enough proof that when you sign no name O-lineman they usually are no name O-lineman for a reason. Mahan sucked so will Hartwig, I don't even know who he is but he will probably suck and Mahan will suck at any position he plays at. Be that C, LG, RG, WR. he will suck. we need help. badly. we just put 108 million dollars into our QB. you really want to be wasting that much money on a guy that goes down 90+ times in 2 years??

Hines
03-18-2008, 06:56 PM
have you watched any games the past two years??

what makes you like Simmons all of a sudden?? is this the year he plays to that 1st round grade?? no he will still get manhandled by every DT that blows at him.

Oh, so last year wasn't enough proof that when you sign no name O-lineman they usually are no name O-lineman for a reason. Mahan sucked so will Hartwig, I don't even know who he is but he will probably suck and Mahan will suck at any position he plays at. Be that C, LG, RG, WR. he will suck. we need help. badly. we just put 108 million dollars into our QB. you really want to be wasting that much money on a guy that goes down 90+ times in 2 years??


So just because you dont know who he is makes him not good? That is strange. I do like Simmons because he is a good player IMO. Yes, he has been beat and I believe he has declined since his injuries and diabetes, but if he gets over that, I think he will be that top player that we drafted in the first round.

DeathbyStat
03-18-2008, 06:59 PM
Hey death since your a fellow PSU fan, ive been thinking about some of PSUs future players, and i just cant help but think of how awesome Aaron Maybin would be as a 3-4 olb. He has legitamite 4.5 speed and at 6-4 255 lbs. the kid is an animal. Hes one guy that really excites me

Yeah Maybin can play I could see him being a work out warrior one of these years.

Maurice Evans is even better but he is more of a 4-3 D-End

Hines
03-18-2008, 07:02 PM
Yeah Maybin can play I could see him being a work out warrior one of these years.

Maurice Evans is even better but he is more of a 4-3 D-End

Maurice Evans <333333333333333333333333333333.

Santonio10
03-18-2008, 07:02 PM
Yeah Maybin can play I could see him being a work out warrior one of these years.

Maurice Evans is even better but he is more of a 4-3 D-End

Yeah i definately agree Evans is better and is definately a 4-3 end. The thing that worries me about him though would be his straight line speed but hes still an excellent player. hes always in the opponents backfield.

DeathbyStat
03-18-2008, 07:05 PM
Yeah i definately agree Evans is better and is definately a 4-3 end. The thing that worries me about him though would be his straight line speed but hes still an excellent player. hes always in the opponents backfield.

Yeah I have no idea what his forty time is.

Santonio10
03-18-2008, 07:09 PM
Im not sure either but just judging by watching him play i just dont think hes gonna put up a great forty. but we'll see though

Hines
03-18-2008, 07:13 PM
IMO Evans will run a high 4.7, low 4.8.

Santonio10
03-18-2008, 07:17 PM
IMO Evans will run a high 4.7, low 4.8.

yeah that sounds about right. which isnt too bad for a DE

mikehop05
03-18-2008, 08:00 PM
Hey death since your a fellow PSU fan, ive been thinking about some of PSUs future players, and i just cant help but think of how awesome Aaron Maybin would be as a 3-4 olb. He has legitamite 4.5 speed and at 6-4 255 lbs. the kid is an animal. Hes one guy that really excites me

can i just say that i played with maybin on an allstar team

the kid is a freak

mikehop05
03-18-2008, 08:09 PM
i just tried to predict the starting line next eyar but i really couldnt...

Kemo and Essex both signed their tenders today

Right now these are the linemen for their potential positions..


Smith Kemo Hatwig Simmons Starks
Starks Mahan Stapleton Colon Smith
Essex Simmons Mahan Kemo Colon

soo many options, and this isnt what i think will happen but just shows the versatility of the players and the areas that all of them can play

DeathbyStat
03-18-2008, 08:23 PM
i just tried to predict the starting line next eyar but i really couldnt...

Kemo and Essex both signed their tenders today

Right now these are the linemen for their potential positions..


Smith Kemo Hatwig Simmons Starks
Starks Mahan Stapleton Colon Smith
Essex Simmons Mahan Kemo Colon

soo many options, and this isnt what i think will happen but just shows the versatility of the players and the areas that all of them can play

This is the combo that I like the best

Smith Kemo Hatwig Simmons Starks

Assuming Marvel comes back healthy

Or Albert taking the spot of Kemo or Simmons

mikehop05
03-18-2008, 08:35 PM
no love for colon? who beat out starks last year..

DeathbyStat
03-18-2008, 08:48 PM
no love for colon? who beat out starks last year..

Wait your right...hopefully youth can beat out Simmons and Colon, Kemo can take the starting spots.

brat316
03-18-2008, 09:01 PM
Is Kemo good at pass blocking

Mr. Goosemahn
03-18-2008, 09:02 PM
I say we still go Albert in the first.

1 - OT/OG Brandon Albert (mammoth who can switch to tackle at any given moment and still play well)
2 - CB/S Reggie Smith or CB Antoine Cason (or maybe even Schuening to have a talented young line consisting of Smith-Albert-Hartwig-Schuening-Starks, or maybe switching albert to rt and placing colon or komoeatu inside)
3 - WR Jordy Nelson
4 - FB/RB Owen Schmitt
5 - ILB Johnathan Goff
6 - DT Keilen Dykes

Like in the last draft, we could attack a weakness with early picks (timmons and woodley and now albert and schuening); if not, then we get a quality DB. We pretty much solve the receiver issue in drafting a relatively tall receiver in Nelson (6-3 I think), who also has the potential of becoming one of the best go-to guys in the league with his extremely safe hands (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIUu-nLx0lw). Schmitt brings a lot of power to the running game. I thought of Crable in round 5 but its highly unlikely hes still there, and Goff could be developed into a good ILB. Dykes would help our interior d-line in some time (although he is a developmental project).

Mr. Goosemahn
03-18-2008, 09:04 PM
another plus for nelson...hes a great returner and has absolutely no character issues, being a married man and a leader.

Mr. Stiller
03-18-2008, 09:43 PM
I'm hoping for

Marvel ~ Albert ~ Hartwig ~ Colon/Stapleton ~ Starks

Etc.

DeathbyStat
03-18-2008, 10:01 PM
I'm hoping for

Marvel ~ Albert ~ Hartwig ~ Colon/Stapleton ~ Starks

Etc.

looks about right

mikehop05
03-18-2008, 10:06 PM
we havea lot of quality guys on the line already... im not going to argue taking a lineman or two but i guess i am just being optimistic in developing our own youth

brat316
03-18-2008, 10:16 PM
What about that WR from M S. Devine Thomas, what about him as a 1st round pick. We can pick up a guard in the second or third, hell even a tackle.

gunners2020
03-18-2008, 10:36 PM
Two quick mocks now we've signed hartwig

Personally i like the first, mock as it gives us an elite pass rush tandem in the future, after all silverback will be 30 this season, brandon flowers gives us competition at cb, and will eventually take over from Desea, Benedict has great upside, and dykes will be a solid pick, Silva purely for his ST play

Mock 1

1) Quentin Groves, DE/OLB, Auburn
2) Brandon Flowers, CB, Virginia Tech
3) Heath Benedict, OT/G, Newberry
4) Keenan Burton, WR, Kentucky
5) Keilen Dykes, DE, West Virginia
6) Jamie Silva, SS, Boston College


Mock 2

1) Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona
2) Dre Moore, DE, Maryland
3) Earl Bennett, WR, Vanderbilt
4) Peyton Hillis, FB, Arkansas
5) King Dunlap, OT, Auburn
6) Curtis Johnson, LB Clark Atlanta

Let me know what y'all think thanks

TheWood56
03-18-2008, 11:46 PM
With the signing of Hartwig, right now, I can see our OL looking like:

LT: Marvel Smith
LG: Kendall Simmons
C: Justin Hartwig
RG: Chris Kemoeatu/Willie Colon
RT: Willie Colon/Max Starks

After the draft though, who knows? Chris Williams who I really like will most likely be off the board by pick 23, and I fear that Albert will be off the board by pick 23 also. So if that's the case, I'd go in a different direction in the 1st round and look at other positions or try and find a trading partner and trade down.

TheWood56
03-18-2008, 11:53 PM
Is Kemo good at pass blocking

I'm not too sure honestly, as he's known for being a road grader. Every time I've seen him get playing time for the Steelers though, he's impressed me. He looks great in the running game and hasn't looked bad in the passing game either, but I guess we'll have to wait and see as he's never really been given the opportunity to start or to showcase his skill set, and this season he may possibly get that opportunity.

Mr. Stiller
03-19-2008, 12:14 AM
I'm not too sure honestly, as he's known for being a road grader. Every time I've seen him get playing time for the Steelers though, he's impressed me. He looks great in the running game and hasn't looked bad in the passing game either, but I guess we'll have to wait and see as he's never really been given the opportunity to start or to showcase his skill set, and this season he may possibly get that opportunity.

I've never seen anyone walk him into the QB, and I've never seen him hold someone there, he's pretty much a stalemater in pass pro.. fine by me.

Though a quicker 3-tech can screw him up with good hand work.

I think Kemo should play RG with Simmons at LG.

But what do I konw.

TheWood56
03-19-2008, 01:13 AM
I've never seen anyone walk him into the QB, and I've never seen him hold someone there, he's pretty much a stalemater in pass pro.. fine by me.

Though a quicker 3-tech can screw him up with good hand work.

I think Kemo should play RG with Simmons at LG.

But what do I konw.

Obviously not how to spell. ;)

Seriously though, I agree, Simmons seems better suited to play LG, as he's good on the move, a good trap blocker, and is also a good puller. Kemoeatu also seems much better suited to play RG, as he could be that phone booth/road grading RG that every running team needs.

brat316
03-19-2008, 01:20 AM
Devine Thomas come on he is going to get picked by us.

TheWood56
03-19-2008, 06:53 AM
With Dre Moore and Keilen Dykes the only 2 players I've heard that have visited the Steelers thus far, here's an early list of players that the Steelers have scheduled to bring in:

Branden Albert, OG/OT, Virginia
Mike Pollak, OC, Arizona St
Kendall Langford, DE, Hampton
Cliff Avril, OLB, Purdue
Curtis Johnson, OLB/DE, Clark-Atlanta
Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas

Hines
03-19-2008, 08:02 AM
Is the rumor of us moving up with Houston any true?

DeathbyStat
03-19-2008, 08:04 AM
Is the rumor of us moving up with Houston any true?

I hope not. But i guess we would be going up to make sure we grab Albert

TheWood56
03-19-2008, 08:22 AM
Is the rumor of us moving up with Houston any true?

Yeah, I heard about that, but at the same time, I haven't really. Do you have a link or can you explain to me what's rumored to be involved?

Thanks.

Hines
03-19-2008, 08:26 AM
Yeah, I heard about that, but at the same time, I haven't really. Do you have a link or can you explain to me what's rumored to be involved?

Thanks.

I saw it on the Scout Steelers message boards and I couldnt read it or anything. It just said "rumor, Steelers move up with Houston," and since you have scout or post on it, I was hoping you or Stiller would know.

TheWood56
03-19-2008, 08:44 AM
I saw it on the Scout Steelers message boards and I couldnt read it or anything. It just said "rumor, Steelers move up with Houston," and since you have scout or post on it, I was hoping you or Stiller would know.

Yeah, I saw it there too, though for some reason, they've all of a sudden made the draft forums for insiders only, and unfortunately, I'm not an insider. Hopefully Stiller can help us out though.

Smooth Criminal
03-19-2008, 08:50 AM
If we moved up to Houstons pick it would be to get one of the tackles, not to get Albert.

I like this signing alot. It paired with Starks tag and likely resigning give us alot of versatility on the line.

Starks was tagged to be a starter. I think we'll see him play RT and Colon slide inside to compete at guard.

Mahan will also be moved to compete at guard simply because of the money he will be paid they'll give him a shot at getting the starting job.

A first round LT would be great because Marvel will likely be let go. I'd love to land Williams or Clady. We still need to pick up a center in the draft as well cause Hartwig is nothing but a stop gap. And this signing shows they don't have faith in Stapleton to start, atleast not yet.

Smith-Colon-Hartwig-Simmons-Starks
1st-Mahan-Stapleton-Kemoeatu-Essex

Not a bad group of guys at all. I'd be alright with that O-line going into the season.

TheWood56
03-19-2008, 09:03 AM
If we moved up to Houstons pick it would be to get one of the tackles, not to get Albert.

I like this signing alot. It paired with Starks tag and likely resigning give us alot of versatility on the line.

Starks was tagged to be a starter. I think we'll see him play RT and Colon slide inside to compete at guard.

Mahan will also be moved to compete at guard simply because of the money he will be paid they'll give him a shot at getting the starting job.

A first round LT would be great because Marvel will likely be let go. I'd love to land Williams or Clady. We still need to pick up a center in the draft as well cause Hartwig is nothing but a stop gap. And this signing shows they don't have faith in Stapleton to start, atleast not yet.

Smith-Colon-Hartwig-Simmons-Starks
1st-Mahan-Stapleton-Kemoeatu-Essex

Not a bad group of guys at all. I'd be alright with that O-line going into the season.

If they did trade up with Houston, I think it would be to make sure that we either get Albert, or one of the top tackles like Williams who'll most likely be off the board before 23.

Also, I think the Hartwig signing is a short term solution. I think they'll try and groom Stapleton and/or possibly a rookie center to take over in 2009.

Smooth Criminal
03-19-2008, 09:32 AM
I don't think we'll trade up with Houston unless someone like Williams or Clady is on the board at 18. I think we'd hold off on getting Albert until 23.

I'd rather trade down than up. Rumors have said Atlanta wants Falco. They now have 3 second rounders. Hopefully Falco's stock keeps going up and Atlanta wants to trade back into the first. I'd love to land 2 of their second rounders and a 4th or 5th for 23.

Jakey
03-19-2008, 10:16 AM
I am hoping for...


Smith - Albert - Colon - Kemo - Starks


That o-line would have the combined weight of aprox' 1650lbs. Beastly!!!
But with that said, i think Hartwig is prolly going to be thae starter at C, so my boy Colon might not be starting next year :(

terribletowel39
03-19-2008, 10:44 AM
I am hoping for...


Smith - Albert - Colon - Kemo - Starks


That o-line would have the combined weight of aprox' 1650lbs. Beastly!!!
But with that said, i think Hartwig is prolly going to be thae starter at C, so my boy Colon might not be starting next year :(
well its highly unlikely that we have a starting rookie on the line so Colon would probably start LG. and I agree with yours the most so far, it has all the best linemen on the line. No Mahan and no Simmons, its beautiful.

mikehop05
03-19-2008, 11:03 AM
the only problem is...

we are paying starks / mahan / simmons a lot of money... so i am thinking the FO wouldwant them to play

mikehop05
03-19-2008, 11:04 AM
With Dre Moore and Keilen Dykes the only 2 players I've heard that have visited the Steelers thus far, here's an early list of players that the Steelers have scheduled to bring in:

Branden Albert, OG/OT, Virginia
Mike Pollak, OC, Arizona St
Kendall Langford, DE, Hampton
Cliff Avril, OLB, Purdue
Curtis Johnson, OLB/DE, Clark-Atlanta
Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas

i think all of these people have shown up on one person or anothers mock so far...

we are pretty solid at figuring out players for the steelers 8)

terribletowel39
03-19-2008, 11:06 AM
the only problem is...

we are paying starks / mahan / simmons a lot of money... so i am thinking the FO wouldwant them to play
if that is the way the FO works then that would kinda piss me off. I don't give two terds if we are paying Starks 8 million a year if Essex outperforms him Essex better have his ass out on the field. You put the best player on the field. Salary should not matter, it is the FO's fault for having misanalyized those guys.

DeathbyStat
03-19-2008, 12:03 PM
i think all of these people have shown up on one person or anothers mock so far...

we are pretty solid at figuring out players for the steelers 8)

Yeah I tend to agree teams don't meet with guys if they have no intent of drafting them.

Does anyone have a list of the players we met with last year.

mikehop05
03-19-2008, 12:04 PM
Yeah I tend to agree teams don't meet with guys if they have no intent of drafting them.

Does anyone have a list of the players we met with last year.

that would be great to compare to now...

ill look

mikehop05
03-19-2008, 12:04 PM
if that is the way the FO works then that would kinda piss me off. I don't give two terds if we are paying Starks 8 million a year if Essex outperforms him Essex better have his ass out on the field. You put the best player on the field. Salary should not matter, it is the FO's fault for having misanalyized those guys.

oh i agree completely, however, usually the FO doesn't work like that

DeathbyStat
03-19-2008, 12:20 PM
I really like Avril. What round can we get him in. I'm betting in the second.

Jakey
03-19-2008, 01:18 PM
Avril's grade is early to mid 2nd right now. So we might miss out on him.

Hines
03-19-2008, 02:32 PM
If we stay at 23rd, I believe we will chose either Albert, Cason, Thomas or Kelly.

mikehop05
03-19-2008, 03:13 PM
If we stay at 23rd, I believe we will chose either Albert, Cason, Thomas or Kelly.

I would throw in hardy before thomas, and about 3 corners before cason

Hines
03-19-2008, 03:17 PM
I would throw in hardy before thomas, and about 3 corners before cason

I would rather have Thomas then Hardy. I see Talib, McKelvin, and DRC chosen before our pick.

Jakey
03-19-2008, 06:24 PM
Awesomo Mock

1: Devin Thomas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHbkz0IMIeA

2: Chilo Rachal

3: Carl Nicks

4: DeJuan Tribble http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&brand=foxsports&vid=d3cff2f0-8c41-4f11-8e35-e1a01cb864f0

5: Keilen Dykes

6: Curtis Johnson


This draft would make us a much improved team next year...Holmes, Ward, Thomas and Washington would be a nasty recieving corps. Thomas could also handle kick returns, in which case Willie Reid and Ced Wilson are basically obsolete. Chilo Rachal would likely be a backup in his first year, but if Kemo or Simmons fail i can see him starting at some point. Nicks would add great depth at OT, and has potential to start at RT or even LT. Tribble is the most underrated DB in this draft IMO, he isnt very tall but that doesnt matter...IMO he is a poor mans Brandon Flowers, and seems the Steelers are poor at the minute, they land Tribble instead. Dykes is a Steelers type of defender, lunch pail kind of guy, allways works hard and at least would bring sufficiant depth....but he could eventually start. Johnson is a small school sleeper, he would be a situational passrusher in his 1st year, but he could eventually replace Silverback at ROLB, and let him move inside to ILB. Tell me what you think guys, thanks! :)

Hines
03-19-2008, 06:39 PM
I like it, but I think we take dline early and late in the draft. I dont see Nicks falling to the third in this draft because people might like his size and athleticism. I dont want Tribble. He is too slow and too short for my doing. He would get abused in the pros. I like Thomas a lot though and I do like Johnson, but I also see Johnson going up in the draft as well.

DeathbyStat
03-19-2008, 07:43 PM
Cason's forty time was alot better than I expected and he is a play maker.

As far a Tribble I'm not a fan at all. I know we run alot of cover 2 behind our 3-4 scheme and blitzes but Tribble just seems like a guy that a Tampa 2 team and only a Tampa 2 team would take.

TheWood56
03-19-2008, 09:36 PM
Awesomo Mock

1: Devin Thomas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHbkz0IMIeA

2: Chilo Rachal

3: Carl Nicks

4: DeJuan Tribble http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&brand=foxsports&vid=d3cff2f0-8c41-4f11-8e35-e1a01cb864f0

5: Keilen Dykes

6: Curtis Johnson


This draft would make us a much improved team next year...Holmes, Ward, Thomas and Washington would be a nasty recieving corps. Thomas could also handle kick returns, in which case Willie Reid and Ced Wilson are basically obsolete. Chilo Rachal would likely be a backup in his first year, but if Kemo or Simmons fail i can see him starting at some point. Nicks would add great depth at OT, and has potential to start at RT or even LT. Tribble is the most underrated DB in this draft IMO, he isnt very tall but that doesnt matter...IMO he is a poor mans Brandon Flowers, and seems the Steelers are poor at the minute, they land Tribble instead. Dykes is a Steelers type of defender, lunch pail kind of guy, allways works hard and at least would bring sufficiant depth....but he could eventually start. Johnson is a small school sleeper, he would be a situational passrusher in his 1st year, but he could eventually replace Silverback at ROLB, and let him move inside to ILB. Tell me what you think guys, thanks! :)

I actually really like this mock, but just not sure about Tribble in the 4th either. Also, not sure if Nicks will be there in the 3rd, and also not sure if we'd even take him after he got into some trouble a few weeks ago, didn't he? I do like Nicks a lot though and he'd be an absolute steal in the 3rd, but I think he goes in the 2nd.

How about Kendall Langford in the 3rd, and maybe Duane Brown in the 4th?

Also, where's your boobies sig gone? :D

Mr. Stiller
03-19-2008, 11:20 PM
The article was ********. They said we'd trade up to Houstons pick to select Malcolm Kelly.

Mr. Stiller
03-19-2008, 11:22 PM
Yeah I tend to agree teams don't meet with guys if they have no intent of drafting them.

Does anyone have a list of the players we met with last year.

Wrong. A lot of teams meet guys that they have no intent of drafting because it keeps them shrouded.

I believe we drafted 3 guys on our visit list.. And signed 2 after the draft.

(Boyd, Woodley, Timmons, Spaeth, ***)

I believe.. I'm not sure.

Mr. Stiller
03-20-2008, 01:10 AM
I figured I'd give this a shot since he's my consensus #1 pick.

I'm going to Trade per usual.. Wouldn't want to do anything new here. But this GM is going all out.


1 for Atlantas 2nd & 3rd (They want Flacco, send us their Original 2nd (#37), and their 3rd #68. This gives them 2 - 1sts (Jakes Long +Joe Flacco), 2 - 2nds

37 Overall) Trevor Laws, DT/DE, Notre Dame ~ 6'0 6/8" 304lbs 5.09

Sure Laws lacks the Height Requirement, but frankly I see him as a 3-4 DE/NT Tweener. As his first 2-3 Years in the league he can play WDE, and move to NT to replace Hampton eventually. Lwas is athletic, quick, agile and brute strong. He's one of those athletes that you find somewhere for him and he'll succeed. He also just posted 112 Tackles as a 3-4 DE, thats Penetration Holmes.


**** Our 2nd pick comes around and Yes, no surprise, Matt Millen is calling. He see's Ray Rice sitting there and they need another RB. Well with the picks they gained from the Cleveland trade, they send us the 3rd round pick, and the 3rd through Cleveland. Adding a 7th rounder to satisfy the Trade Police.

68 Overall) Marcus Howard, WOLB, Georgia ~ 6'0 4/8" 237lbs 4.45

Howard showed fluid hips and transition skills at his pro day leaving some teams think he could be a successful OLB. His lack of Bulk and height concern enough teams to let him fall to us. He gives us that elite speed Ware-esque Weakside Passrusher that we'll covet, but he'll start as a Special Teams demon with lessons from Silverback.

76 Overall) Carl Nicks, OT/OG, Nebraska ~ 6'4 7/8" 341lbs 5.22

Nicks just dropped considerably since he wasn't allowed to attend the pro-day for "Inmate of a disorderly house" and "Failure to disperse". This is a "Maybe" Pick for me, I wasn't comfortable with Nicks in round 2, but 3 I'm perfectly fine on taking a Chance on him. I think he could be the RT or RG of the future. Maybe even LT.

87 Overall) Jordy Nelson, WR, Kansas State(83) ~ 6'2 5/8" 217lbs 4.51 (1.50 10' time)

Jordy Nelson is IMO a Taller, Faster, Stronger Hines Ward. He has quite a few reasons to be my 3rd pick overall. He's bigger, runs excellent routes, has absolutely amazing hands, he is willing to block, and even though he's not a gamebreaker, he is a reliable Return Specialist. I think with some time as the #3 WR, and guidance from Hines I think he could eventually be our #2/#1 WR. He is fast enough that he can cause trouble with Pro WR's. Physical enough to beat the jams at the line. Not afraid to go over the middle and has the hands to make any catch. Check out http://youtube.com/watch?v=mIUu-nLx0lw&feature=related I would love to have Ben have a WR like that. Thats a chain mover.

88 Overall) Tashard Choice, RB, Georgia Tech ~ 5' 10 4/8" 215lbs 4.48

Choice may just be my favorite RB in this class. Quick, powerful, soft hands and great vision. He has no qualms about bowling people over. Najeh packs his bags, Gary Russell and Choice battle for #2, MeMo i#3 and the loser of that battle is our #4.

118 Overall) Antwuan Molden, CB/FS, Eastern Kentucky(121) ~ 6'1 198lbs 4.39 (1.43 10')

Molden is a prospect I love. I watched him at the Texas V. Nation game and he was tough. He's big, Physical. He could play Free safety or CB in our scheme. At the TvN game he played a lot of Bump'n'Run and jammed at the LOS. Thats how the Giants beat the Pats. Adding to the fact he was a big hitter as well. Perhaps he could play FS and even play Man coverage on some WR's. Giving us a versatile Ballhawking FS or a Corner that can Play Man and zone coverages.

150 Overall) Peyton Hillis, FB/RB/H-Back, Arkansas ~ 6'0 6/8" 240lbs 4.58

Think Carey Davis, but way way better.

182 Overall) Rudolph Hardie, SOLB, Howard ~ 6'2 3/8" 270lbs 4.75

Hardie is nearly as close to Woodley as you can get in my View. Special Teamer and 3-4 LOLB Depth behind Woodley. I really think that he will be a good player in this league, even if only a role player.

206 Overall) Jamey Richard, C, Buffalo ~ 6'4 6/8" 295lbs 5.03

Can you ever have too many Quality OL? I think Richard could be a C/G Tweener and the battle for the 6 interior slots begins.



UDFA:

Paul Smith, QB, Tulsa ~ 6'1 198lbs 4.95

Chad Simpson, RB/RS, Morgan State ~ 5'8 216lbs 4.4

Chaz Schilenz, WR, San Diego State ~ 6'4 208lbs 4.38
Jabari Arthur, WR, Akron ~ 6'5 228 4.55

Matthew Mulligan, TE, Maine ~ 6'5 260 4.82
Drew Miller, C/OG, Florida ~ 6'5 305 5.03
Mike Butterworth, OT, Slippery Rock ~ 6'7 330lbs 5.32

Marcus Dixon, SDE, Hampton ~ 6'4 298 5.20
Bryan Mattison, WDE, Iowa ~ 6'3 290lbs 5.05
Derrick Lokey, NT, Texas ~ 6'2 288lbs 5.18

Andy Studebaker, WOLB, Wheaton ~ 6'3 255lbs 4.45
Titus Brown, SOLB, Mississippi State ~ 6'3 246lbs 4.76
Anthony Hoke, WOLB/MACK, Cincinnati ~ 6'1 230lbs 4.56
Bo Ruud, BUCK, Nebraska ~ 6'4 234lbs 4.59

Brandon Carr, CB/FS, Grand Valley State ~ 6'0 207lbs 4.44
Brian Witherspoon, CB/RS, Stillman ~ 5'10 170lbs 4.29
Haruki Nakamura, FS, Cincinnati ~ 5'11 203lbs 4.55
Dowayne Davis, SS, Syracuse ~ 5'11 205lbs 4.43

Piotr Czech, K, Wagner ~ 6'5 212lbs



Rip it up yo.

TheWood56
03-20-2008, 08:00 AM
The article was ********. They said we'd trade up to Houstons pick to select Malcolm Kelly.

Were they going off of anything, or were they just throwing something completely random out there?

TheWood56
03-20-2008, 08:11 AM
I don't think we'll trade up with Houston unless someone like Williams or Clady is on the board at 18. I think we'd hold off on getting Albert until 23.

I'd rather trade down than up. Rumors have said Atlanta wants Falco. They now have 3 second rounders. Hopefully Falco's stock keeps going up and Atlanta wants to trade back into the first. I'd love to land 2 of their second rounders and a 4th or 5th for 23.

Yeah, I can't see us trading up either, and I'd much rather trade down and pick up a couple of extra picks if there's no one we want at 23.

Also, I believe you're talking about Joe Flacco, the QB from Delaware who the Falcons are apparently interested in. But in regards to trading down with Atlanta, sure they have some picks to trade away and possibly try and move up in the draft and land another high profile player they really want, though Atlanta have a lot of rebuilding to do and have some holes to fill, and they may want to keep their stock pile of draft picks and draft as many talented players as they can to try and fill as many holes as they can.

Saying that though, I'd love it if we were to trade down with Atlanta and pick up a couple of 2nd rounders and maybe a 4th or 5th in the process aswell, as it would be very handy if we had a stock pile of draft picks to work with also come draft day.

steel man
03-20-2008, 08:46 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3302774

this would be a good time to release him and draft another WR

TheWood56
03-20-2008, 09:06 AM
Wilson just got cut by the Steelers.

I think this means we'll be drafting a WR somewhere in the first 3 rounds now.

DeathbyStat
03-20-2008, 09:34 AM
Well lets chart this.

Who would be there in the first?

Hardy/Thomas/Kelly

Who would be there in the second?

Manningham/Doucet/Hawkins/Bennet

Who would be there in the third?

Nelson/Caldwell/Royal/Douglas

Smooth Criminal
03-20-2008, 09:55 AM
I don't think we'll get WR in round 1 or 2. I'd love to see it but I think we'll go OL or CB in round 1 and 2.

I've heard that Tomlin is in love with Justin King.

TheWood56
03-20-2008, 10:03 AM
I don't think we'll get WR in round 1 or 2. I'd love to see it but I think we'll go OL or CB in round 1 and 2.

I've heard that Tomlin is in love with Justin King.

From who/where?

Santonio10
03-20-2008, 10:27 AM
From who/where?

Rivals.com had a story about Penn States pro day and it said that the steelers love him and could take him with our first round pick. They also say that the Chargers are highly interested in him and could take him with their 28th overall pick.

Jakey
03-20-2008, 10:40 AM
We are apparantly interested in Cliff Avril...and are hoping he falls to us in round 2. That would be a good move IMO.

terribletowel39
03-20-2008, 10:45 AM
that would be dumb to take him in the first or even 2nd. what is there to love?? his inability to do anything football related?? or is it because he is fast and can jump high??

Santonio10
03-20-2008, 11:24 AM
that would be dumb to take him in the first or even 2nd. what is there to love?? his inability to do anything football related?? or is it because he is fast and can jump high??

its his potential. People tend to forget he played last year with a shoulder injury. Before that he was shutting down everyone. He could be one of the better corners in the NFL with some good coaching, which we have, so i think he might be worth the risk. Antonio Cromartie was picked in the first round on potential and measurables alone so its a possibility he could be a first round pick. Justin could be a great player in the NFL

terribletowel39
03-20-2008, 11:31 AM
its his potential. People tend to forget he played last year with a shoulder injury. Before that he was shutting down everyone. He could be one of the better corners in the NFL with some good coaching, which we have, so i think he might be worth the risk. Antonio Cromartie was picked in the first round on potential and measurables alone so its a possibility he could be a first round pick. Justin could be a great player in the NFL
Cromartie was a fantastic player pre-injury though. I just don't think its worth the risk to go that high for someone that didn't show all year that he could cover. and aren't you a Penn State fan??

DeathbyStat
03-20-2008, 12:30 PM
I don't think we'll get WR in round 1 or 2. I'd love to see it but I think we'll go OL or CB in round 1 and 2.

I've heard that Tomlin is in love with Justin King.

That is unfortunate as a Penn State student fan and ticket holder. This guy has bust written all over him.

I could be wrong I'm sure Tomlin knows more than me. I intersted to see how Timmons pans out he was another one of Tomlins guys right?

DeathbyStat
03-20-2008, 12:34 PM
King is a much...much better athlete than he is a football player.

Who did he really shut down?

Ted Ginn? Robert Mechum?

Yeah these guys have proven alot in the NFl thus far.

He will certianly help in the return game.

If I was an NFl team i would grab this guy until the 3-4 round.

mikehop05
03-20-2008, 12:53 PM
I think i need to go back and watch some film on King...

I loved watching him, PSU is my second favorite team as thats where my dad went and i was brought up watching their games...

I agree with all the counts that he is a betetr athlete than football player... but he does add some versatility in the return game i believe

or maybe i am getting him mixed with with derrick williams

DeathbyStat
03-20-2008, 01:09 PM
I think i need to go back and watch some film on King...

I loved watching him, PSU is my second favorite team as thats where my dad went and i was brought up watching their games...

I agree with all the counts that he is a betetr athlete than football player... but he does add some versatility in the return game i believe

or maybe i am getting him mixed with with derrick williams

Derrick Williams is similar in the fact that he is a better athlete than a football player.

And both are good but not great in the return game.

Hines
03-20-2008, 04:12 PM
I hope you guys know that Justin King was used improperatly at Penn State. He is a man to man corner, not a 10 yard off zone corner like he was at PSU. I think he has a great career. First round, no, but if he is there in the second, I would grab him.

Hines
03-20-2008, 05:06 PM
With the release of Wilson, which I love by the way, I think we have enough money saved in our cap to go out and grab Crocker now. I like him way more then Nickey and I think Crocker would be a legite contender for Anthony, and Crocker can be our nickle or dime saftey in those packages in place of Tyrone Carter.

DeathbyStat
03-20-2008, 05:40 PM
I hope you guys know that Justin King was used improperatly at Penn State. He is a man to man corner, not a 10 yard off zone corner like he was at PSU. I think he has a great career. First round, no, but if he is there in the second, I would grab him.

I agree with you but isn't that what the steelers play alot of time..Off coverage?

I don't know I still think he is a bit of a project especial in round 1 but where we are picking at in round 2 I guess its not that bad.

Hines
03-20-2008, 05:44 PM
I agree with you but isn't that what the steelers play alot of time..Off coverage?

I don't know I still think he is a bit of a project especial in round 1 but where we are picking at in round 2 I guess its not that bad.

Yes, but they play man with it. Penn state plays cover 3 all the time. I also think Kings bad year had to do with confidence after Hardy abused him. I think once he gets his swagger back, and some coaching up, he will be a great pro. He is very raw, and I know he has the raw tools to be great.

DeathbyStat
03-20-2008, 05:59 PM
Yes, but they play man with it. Penn state plays cover 3 all the time. I also think Kings bad year had to do with confidence after Hardy abused him. I think once he gets his swagger back, and some coaching up, he will be a great pro. He is very raw, and I know he has the raw tools to be great.

Yeah but raw is still the key word there. I don't know I just think are secondary played pretty well last considering the pass rush wasnn't quite as dominant as its been in the past.

I'd just like to take a DB later that allso has raw skills like Molden, Scandrick Godfrey, or Branch

Hines
03-20-2008, 06:02 PM
Yeah but raw is still the key word there. I don't know I just think are secondary played pretty well last considering the pass rush wasnn't quite as dominant as its been in the past.

I'd just like to take a DB later that allso has raw skills like Molden, Scandrick Godfrey, or Branch

If we do go corner in round 1, I want Cason. Playmaker is what he screams easily. Scandrick I am intrigued too with as well. Godfrey and Branch will come off the board in second or third round.

Santonio10
03-20-2008, 06:21 PM
Cromartie was a fantastic player pre-injury though. I just don't think its worth the risk to go that high for someone that didn't show all year that he could cover. and aren't you a Penn State fan??

Yes i am a psu fan. I know that penn states defense plays soft zone all of the time too and kings not a zone corner hes man to man. King was also a fantastic player pre injury as well. Watch some film on his sophomore year when he was healthy and you'll see him shut down every good receiver he played against. Ted Ginn, Robert Meachem, and a few others. I dont think hes a first rounder, but if hes there in the second, we should take him.

DeathbyStat
03-20-2008, 06:29 PM
If we do go corner in round 1, I want Cason. Playmaker is what he screams easily. Scandrick I am intrigued too with as well. Godfrey and Branch will come off the board in second or third round.

I think Cason is very tempting i wasn't high on high him but then he ran a good forty time.

He is simply a play maker

Hines
03-20-2008, 09:04 PM
A quick little mock I made a little bit ago:


1) Antoine Cason CB Arizona
2) Earl Bennett WR Vanderbilt
3) O'Neil Cousins OT UTEP
4) Darrell Robertson OLB Georgia Tech
5) Robert Felton G Arkansas
6) Jaime Silva S Boston College

DeathbyStat
03-20-2008, 09:21 PM
I think if we don't get Albert in the first we will take Rachal in the second if avaible if not than Avril.

What round is Langford slated for?

DeathbyStat
03-20-2008, 09:39 PM
How About this?

1. Brandon Albert

2.Cliff Avril

3.Eddie Royal

4.Kendall Langford

5.Keilen Dykes

6. Jaime Silva

TheWood56
03-21-2008, 12:54 AM
I think if we don't get Albert in the first we will take Rachal in the second if avaible if not than Avril.

What round is Langford slated for?

I'd be happy with Albert in the 1st, and I'd also be happy with either Rachel or Avril in the 2nd. I think they'd all be very good selections, obviously not so much Rachel in the 2nd if Albert was our 1st rounder though.

Also, I'd say Langford's a 3rd rounder.

TheWood56
03-21-2008, 01:12 AM
How About this?

1. Brandon Albert

2.Cliff Avril

3.Eddie Royal

4.Kendall Langford

5.Keilen Dykes

6. Jaime Silva

With a couple of changes, I'd be very happy with this draft. I'd go with Jordy Nelson over Eddie Royal in the 3rd, and Curtis Johnson over Jamie Silva in the 6th.

I don't mind Royal, though I think we need some size and a guy with reliable hands, and I think Nelson could be that guy. He's also a good return man.

I don't think Silva will be anything more then a career back up, and I don't think he'd be much of an upgrade over Tyrone Carter honestly, where as Curtis Johnson has some potential IMO, and could be a ST's demon, a situational pass rusher, and also provide some solid depth, as we're really lacking some quality depth at OLB.

Saying that though, I don't think Langford will be there in the 4th, Dykes may not be there in the 5th, and I'm not overly confident that Albert will even be there in the 1st.

Anyways, with those couple of changes, I'd be very happy with this draft.

Nice job. :)

Mr. Stiller
03-21-2008, 08:16 AM
I hope you guys know that Justin King was used improperatly at Penn State. He is a man to man corner, not a 10 yard off zone corner like he was at PSU. I think he has a great career. First round, no, but if he is there in the second, I would grab him.

Wait.

You say he was used improperly because he's a man2man corner. Then you suggest drafting him in the 2nd?

You do know they call it the "LeBeau Zone Blitz" Scheme because we play corners 10 yards off in zones.

Mr. Stiller
03-21-2008, 08:17 AM
Yes, but they play man with it. Penn state plays cover 3 all the time. I also think Kings bad year had to do with confidence after Hardy abused him. I think once he gets his swagger back, and some coaching up, he will be a great pro. He is very raw, and I know he has the raw tools to be great.

We rarely play Man2Man.

We play mostly cover 3, with some downs being Cover 4.

Mr. Stiller
03-21-2008, 08:18 AM
With the release of Wilson, which I love by the way, I think we have enough money saved in our cap to go out and grab Crocker now. I like him way more then Nickey and I think Crocker would be a legite contender for Anthony, and Crocker can be our nickle or dime saftey in those packages in place of Tyrone Carter.

Crocker is not better than Anthony Smith. He was a 2nd year safety who had minimal game experience. Look for him to start this season and do a fine job.

TheWood56
03-21-2008, 08:33 AM
Crocker is not better than Anthony Smith. He was a 2nd year safety who had minimal game experience. Look for him to start this season and do a fine job.

Yeah, I honestly don't really like Crocker, and don't really want Crocker, and I really think people should stop being so hard on Smith as it was only his 2nd season and as you said, had minimal game experience.

I personally think he has a lot of potential and could turn out to be a real stud, and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he started this season and does a fine job, though I feel the Steelers coaching staff may be going a little sour on Smith, and Smith may ultimately become a stud safety for another team besides the Steelers down the track. I certainly hope this is not the case though.

TheWood56
03-21-2008, 08:37 AM
Stiller, wouldn't felch love all this talk about Tomlin being in love with Justin King and him being a possibility for the 1st round. :rolleyes:

DeathbyStat
03-21-2008, 11:07 AM
Stiller, wouldn't felch love all this talk about Tomlin being in love with Justin King and him being a possibility for the 1st round. :rolleyes:

I agree I'm not a fan especially in the first round

DeathbyStat
03-21-2008, 03:23 PM
I'm watching a replay on Big Ten Network of Purdue Vs Indiana..and Avril is not impressing.

He seems to hold the point ok but is not explosive and seems to miss tackles......Well maybe i spoke too soon he just made a nice tackle for loss play.

I guess I'll wait until I watch the whole game.

Hines
03-21-2008, 06:02 PM
Wilsons' girlfriend denies that Wilson hit her. I will find the link later.

terribletowel39
03-21-2008, 06:05 PM
oh well too late now. and plus who gives a crap if she says he didn't hit her, he probably scared her into saying that or she "loves" him so she wants to protect him. they had several witnesses say the same thing. he clocked her. i wish i would have been there to see it, i hate it when guys hit girls.

Hines
03-21-2008, 06:18 PM
She said he pushed her in the side of the head and it was well overblown.

Hines
03-21-2008, 06:22 PM
Jakey, have you started on my sig yet?

terribletowel39
03-21-2008, 06:22 PM
that would have been enough for me to jump on him. what kinda man even pushes a female by the head much less in general??

Hines
03-21-2008, 06:39 PM
Obviously Wilson. I am glad that his girlfriend came out and said that he didnt hit her, but that doesnt exclude him for putting his hands on her.

But lets keep it real, Harrison wasnt getting his child baptized, the Rooneys just wanted to say something for them not releasing Harrison because they know we need him.

terribletowel39
03-21-2008, 06:41 PM
yea but I wouldn't say anything to Harrison. I would have said something to Wilson. Harrison is bigger than me, Wilson is not. haha

Hines
03-21-2008, 06:42 PM
Ha, that is true. I would be scared of Harrison. Wilson, I think i could take.

Jakey
03-21-2008, 06:43 PM
They are both bigger that me, but i would have still layed the smack down on him :p

terribletowel39
03-21-2008, 06:46 PM
I would be scared shitless of Harrison. No way I would interfere with him pissed off. Yall have seen him suplex that Browns fan.

and Jakey, quit lying. You have given out your measurables and there is no way you would attempt to swat at Harrison.

Jakey
03-21-2008, 06:48 PM
Ye there is definatley something scary about Harrison, the silverback nickname fits him to a tee! :)

Hines
03-21-2008, 06:49 PM
Who would win in a fight, Porter or Harrison?

Jakey
03-21-2008, 06:50 PM
^ Wooo? I say Harrison, he seems the type to really loose his cool.

terribletowel39
03-21-2008, 06:51 PM
Who would win in a fight, Porter or Harrison?
I gotta go with Harrison. Porter barely beat up whatshisface from the Browns. (his name is escaping me right now) he looked like he was scared to get in there. leaning back and swinging and what not. Harrison would get him. but something tells me Aaron Smith could probably whoop everyone on the team.

Jakey
03-21-2008, 06:53 PM
^ lol William Green, that was funny shizzle.

Willie Colon is a badass aswell, iirc he is from the bronx and used to fight all the time. He also layed the smackdown on Clark Haggans in his rookie years training camp :)

Hines
03-21-2008, 06:54 PM
I gotta go with Harrison. Porter barely beat up whatshisface from the Browns. (his name is escaping me right now) he looked like he was scared to get in there. leaning back and swinging and what not. Harrison would get him. but something tells me Aaron Smith could probably whoop everyone on the team.

William Green. But you also have to put in factor that three of Greens teamates tried to help Green out so Porter had to watch himself and Porter still was swinging at all three of them.

I actually think that Faneca could clear house and beat them all, but since he isnt on the team anymore, I would have to say Harrison, then Smith, then Hampton.

Hines
03-21-2008, 06:54 PM
Ah yes, I forgot about Colon, I think he could mess some people up in a fight. I remember he got into it with Suggs his rookie year.

Hines
03-22-2008, 03:41 PM
A rep from our team was at Marshals Pro Day. I wouldnt doubt if after the draft, we sign Bernard Morris, quarterback, to a contract. I like his size, athleticism, and his arm. Could take the number 3 job out of TC IMO. I would also like to have their center, Doug Legursky as he is strong, and athletic.

Mr. Stiller
03-22-2008, 04:33 PM
Their WR, Larry Fitzgeralds little bro, is a quick speedy slot guy and has KR/PR Experience. Could be a possibility as well.

Mr. Stiller
03-22-2008, 10:43 PM
Stiller, wouldn't felch love all this talk about Tomlin being in love with Justin King and him being a possibility for the 1st round. :rolleyes:

You haven't read on the pay side. Felch is absolutely flipping.

I agree though. He's a project, that is best right now as a man corner. He screams Ahmad Carroll.

Hines
03-22-2008, 10:49 PM
Who were the two DB's that visited us?

TheWood56
03-22-2008, 10:58 PM
Who were the two DB's that visited us?

Yeah, I wanna know that too, because I've heard nothing yet.

Mr. Stiller
03-23-2008, 12:23 AM
Justin King and Aqib Talib.

Mr. Stiller
03-23-2008, 12:25 AM
I like this one a lot better than the last.

My goal here is to balance the youth additions to the O and D..

I'm assuming again that Chris Williams and Brandon Albert are gone.

Leaving us at #23 overall. Thats not good for us. The Packers really need a corner.
Antoine Cason is still on the board and they offer us their 1st, 3rd, 6th and 7th rounders to move up... Yes they gave us a tad extra, but they also have an additional 2nd round pick, 3 day 1 picks + 2 day 2. They feel thats all they need to add.

At 53 overall, there is absolutely no one we like. Detroit offers us their #76 (original value at 210) and their #86 valued at 160). Our #53 is valued at 270 so it's as equal as it gets.

Method of Selecting: I Know a fair amount of us use NFLDraft Scout.com. So what I'm going to do is take no one more than 3 ahead. My "Fallers". For instance, if we have pick #121, I can select someone ranked by NFLDS at 118. I'm trying to pick most guys behind our pick.

30 Overall) Quentin Groves, ROLB, Auburn ~ 6'3 259lbs 4.53 (27.. -3)

76 Overall) Red Bryant, LDE/NT, Texas A&M ~ 6'4 1/8" 318lbs 4.99 (80.. +4)

86 Overall) Jordy Nelson, WR, Kansas State ~ 6'2 5/8" 217lbs 4.48 ( 83.. -3)

87 Overall) Kendall Langford, RDE, Hampton ~ 6'5 4/8" 287lbs 4.95 (89... +3)

91 Overall) John Greco, OL, Toledo ~ 6'4 6/8" 305lbs 5.29 (95.. +4)

118 Overall) Tyvon Branch, CB/FS, Connecticut ~ 6'0 1/8" 204 4.31 (127.. +9)

183 Overall) Brandon Keith, RT/RG, Northern Iowa ~ 6'5 2/8" 343lbs 5.27 (185.. +2)

190 Overall) Jamie Silva, FS/SS, Boston College ~ 5'10 6/8" 204lbs 4.78 (197.. +7)

222 Overall) Vincent Redd, LOLB, Liberty ~ 6'5 4/8" 268lbs 4.56 (226.. +4)

UDFA:

Paul Smith, QB, Tulsa ~ 6'1 198lbs 4.80

Jehuu Caulcrick, RB, Michigan State ~ 6'1 254lbs 4.66

Mike Cox, FB, Georgia Tech ~ 6'0 254lbs 4.78

Chaz Schilens, WR, San Diego State ~ 6'4 208lbs 4.38

Patrick Carter, WR, Louisville ~ 6'3 204lbs 4.33

Drew Miller, C, Florida ~ 6'5 303lbs 5.09

Derrick Lokey, NT/LS/FB, Texas ~ 6'2 288lbs 5.18

Jeremy Leman, LILB, Illinois ~ 6'2 245lbs 4.79

Bo Ruud, ILB, Nebraska ~ 6'3 234lbs 4.59

Zack Bowman, CB, Nebraska ~ 6'0 197lbs 4.39

Haruki Nakamura, FS, Cincinnati ~ 5'11 203lbs 4.59


1) Darnell Stapleton. He' showed the FO Something, rumor is he's got a great chance to start.

2) Justin Hartwig. He's got the experience and cheap salary to start or provide depth.

3) John Greco. The guy is a manimal and very versatile. Not exactly the most athletic but he won't get knocked back by bigger NT's. Very rarely can you find an athletic/Agile C that can handle NT's. I'm willing to allow the Guards to be the athletic ones and Greco as the Mauler C.


As for the picks.... (Here's what I'd like to see heading into TC)

QB: Roethlisberger -> Charlie Batch -> Brian St. Pierre -> Paul Smith
RB: Willie Parker -> Najeh Davenport -> Mewelde Moore -> Gary Russell -> Jehuu Caulcrick
FB: Carey Davis -> Billy Latsko -> Mike Cox
WR: Hines Ward -> Jordy Nelson
WR: Santonio Holmes -> Patrick Carter
WR: Nate Washington -> Chaz Schilens
TE: Heath Miller -> Matt Spaeth -> Cody Boyd

LT: Marvel Smith -> Trai Essex
LG: Kendall Simmons -> Justin Hartwig
C: Sean Mahan -> Darnell Stapleton -> John Greco
RG: Willie Colon -> Chris Kemoeatu
RT: Max Starks -> John Greco

LDE: Aaron Smith -> Red Bryant -> Ryan McBean
NT: Casey Hampton -> Chris Hoke -> Derek Lokey
RDE: Brett Keisel -> Kendall Langford -> Travis Kirschke

LOLB: LaMarr Woodley -> Vincent Redd -> Arnold Harrison
LILB: James Farrior -> Jeremy Leman -> Keyaron Fox
RILB: Lawrence Timmons -> Larry Foote -> Bo Ruud
ROLB: James Harrison -> Quentin Groves-> Andre Frazier

LCB: Ike Taylor -> William *** -> Tyvon Branch
RCB: DeShea Townsend -> Bryant McFadden -> Anthony Madison -> Zach Bowman

FS: Anthony Smith/Ryan Clark -> Haruki Nakamura
SS: Troy Polamalu -> Jamie Silva -> Tyrone Carter


Out of TC:

QB: Roethlisberger -> Charlie Batch
RB: Willie Parker -> Gary Russell -> Mewelde Moore -> Jehuu Caulcrick
FB: Carey Davis
WR: Hines Ward -> Jordy Nelson
WR: Santonio Holmes -> Patrick Carter
WR: Nate Washington
TE: Heath Miller -> Matt Spaeth -> Cory Boyd

LT: Marvel Smith -> Trai Essex
LG: Kendall Simmons -> Sean Mahan
C: Darnell Stapleton -> Justin Hartwig
RG: Willie Colon -> Chris Kemoeatu
RT: Max Starks -> John Greco

LDE: Aaron Smith -> Red Bryant
NT: Casey Hampton -> Chris Hoke
RDE: Brett Keisel -> Kendall Langford

LOLB: LaMarr Woodley -> Vincent Redd
LILB: James Farrior -> Jeremy Leman -> Keyaron Fox
RILB: Lawrence Timmons -> Larry Foote
ROLB: James Harrison -> Quentin Groves

LCB: Ike Taylor -> William *** -> Tyvon Branch
RCB: DeShea Townsend -> Bryant McFadden -> Zach Bowman

FS: Anthony Smith/Ryan Clark
SS: Troy Polamalu -> Jamie Silva

P: Daniel Sepulveda
K: Jeff Reed

KR/PR: Mewelde Moore


CUTS:

Tyrone Carter
Travis Kirschke
Anthony Madison
Billy Latsko
Brian St. Pierre
Andre Frazier
Arnold Harrison

PS:

Ryan McBean
Mike Cox
Bo Ruud
Derek Lokey
Chaz Schilens
Haruki Nakamura
Paul Smith
1 other player TBA

Mr. Goosemahn
03-23-2008, 12:53 AM
dont we also have jared zabransky at qb?

brat316
03-23-2008, 01:06 AM
At 53 overall, there is absolutely no one we like. Detroit offers us their #76 (original value at 210) and their #86 valued at 160). Our #53 is valued at 270 so it's as equal as it gets.


i dont think this trade works it equals 370 to 270

Mr. Stiller
03-23-2008, 10:10 AM
i dont think this trade works it equals 370 to 270

370 = 270 at 1 am on a no sleeping binge.

Hines
03-23-2008, 10:23 AM
1) Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma
2) Dre Moore DT Maryland
3) King Dunlap OT Auburn
4) Darrell Robertson OLB Georgia Tech


That is a four round mock I have so far. I could add on later, but this is what I would like for us to do.

mikehop05
03-23-2008, 12:43 PM
1) Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma
2) Dre Moore DT Maryland
3) King Dunlap OT Auburn
4) Darrell Robertson OLB Georgia Tech


That is a four round mock I have so far. I could add on later, but this is what I would like for us to do.

like it... don't love it...

mainly just because i really think langford is a guy we need to have, he seems to be a surefire 3-4 end to eventually replace smith

mikehop05
03-23-2008, 12:44 PM
also, ive read some pretty dissapointing reviews on King, mainly his work ethic / motivation... and how it sucks.

Hines
03-23-2008, 02:42 PM
I was reading my draft magazine and I would like Kenny Iwebema from Iowa. He would need to gain 10 or so pounds, but I think he could be a great player for us. His soph year, he beat Joe Thomas for two sacks in a game.

Jakey
03-23-2008, 03:24 PM
^ As what, an end or a backer??? I think he could be an ok strongside LB, in the mold of Clark Haggans.

Hines
03-23-2008, 03:26 PM
^ As what, an end or a backer??? I think he could be an ok strongside LB, in the mold of Clark Haggans.

He is about 275 now with decent speed, I think he will be better suited as an end. I just love how he can manhandle guys, and I wanted him last year until his senior season wasnt that good. I think he could be nasty.

DeathbyStat
03-24-2008, 08:10 AM
also, ive read some pretty dissapointing reviews on King, mainly his work ethic / motivation... and how it sucks.

I just keep saying and saying we don't need Justin King in the first...and I'm a Penn state fan and a Penn state student.

Speaking of draft mags I read some bad stuff about Albert (I don't know how accurate these draft mags are) but I'll post it later.

Justin King all so has some off the field problems. He was invloved in a fight on campus last fall.

Hines
03-24-2008, 10:35 AM
I just keep saying and saying we don't need Justin King in the first...and I'm a Penn state fan and a Penn state student.

Speaking of draft mags I read some bad stuff about Albert (I don't know how accurate these draft mags are) but I'll post it later.

Justin King all so has some off the field problems. He was invloved in a fight on campus last fall.

Which draft magazine was it? If it was Sporting News, that magazine is a joke.

mikehop05
03-24-2008, 11:34 AM
Which draft magazine was it? If it was Sporting News, that magazine is a joke.

the reason i like sporting news is because most if not all of their analysis comes from game tape leading up to the combine

people get fixated on #'s too much and not about how people actually play

Hines
03-24-2008, 11:42 AM
the reason i like sporting news is because most if not all of their analysis comes from game tape leading up to the combine

people get fixated on #'s too much and not about how people actually play

Their rankings suck. They have Derrick Harvey in the third round, and ect.

brat316
03-24-2008, 12:51 PM
Yeah But Harvey sucks though, not third round but at least 2nd round. I think he is only a 4-3 end, reminds me of Jevon

DeathbyStat
03-24-2008, 01:19 PM
Which draft magazine was it? If it was Sporting News, that magazine is a joke.

Pro Football weekly as well as sporting news.

Your right though i like the pro football weekly one better

DeathbyStat
03-24-2008, 01:22 PM
Their rankings suck. They have Derrick Harvey in the third round, and ect.

Even if you agree with anyone's stuff its really just a matter of opinion.

Hines
03-24-2008, 01:54 PM
Pro Football weekly as well as sporting news.

Your right though i like the pro football weekly one better

I have PFW as well. I like it a lot, but I like ESPN's way better. Only if they put a mag out this year.

Mr. Stiller
03-24-2008, 02:09 PM
I was reading my draft magazine and I would like Kenny Iwebema from Iowa. He would need to gain 10 or so pounds, but I think he could be a great player for us. His soph year, he beat Joe Thomas for two sacks in a game.

Iwebema has been stronside his Soph/Jr. Years. Until this year when Mattison took over...?

Hines
03-24-2008, 02:38 PM
Iwebema has been stronside his Soph/Jr. Years. Until this year when Mattison took over...?

I like Iwebema more then Mattison.

TheWood56
03-24-2008, 09:42 PM
I've heard we've scheduled a visit with Tennessee LB Jerod Mayo.

mikehop05
03-24-2008, 09:51 PM
I've heard we've scheduled a visit with Tennessee LB Jerod Mayo.

where?

ive been looking for visits but havnt been finding much

Hines
03-24-2008, 09:55 PM
I've heard we've scheduled a visit with Tennessee LB Jerod Mayo.

I would take him in the second and have him learn under Farrior. He is a beast and I would love to have him.

TheWood56
03-24-2008, 10:29 PM
We've also scheduled a visit with Quentin Groves.

I'll make a new thread and post all the visits the Steelers have either had, or are scheduled to have in the up and coming weeks.

Mr. Stiller
03-25-2008, 12:18 AM
I like Iwebema more then Mattison.

As do I, but I do like Mattison as a UDFA SDE type. He is 6'3 296lbs. Not extremely fast, but very physical and can hold the point.

Has the wide lanky frame to add about 20-25lbs. Could be an Aaron Smith type IMO. If he comes in as a UDFA I could really see him sticking.

Hines
03-25-2008, 04:42 AM
A little mock I made:

1) James Hardy WR Indiana
2) Chilo Rachal G USC
3) Kenny Iwebema DE Iowa
4) Quintin Demps FS UNLV
5) Kirk Barton T Ohio State
6) Jehuu Caulcrick RB Michigan State

This leaves the 09 draft for LT, LB, CB

Hines
03-25-2008, 10:09 AM
We were at Youngstown States' Pro Day yesterday. I wouldnt be suprised if we were looking at saftey Dorian Chenault who ran a 4.4 and posted a 37 inch vertical. Another player who they might have saw work out, and is a personal favorite of mine from the school, is James Terry. He would need to bulk up a few, but I think he could really suprise on ST and help with great depth.

DeathbyStat
03-25-2008, 11:43 AM
A little mock I made:

1) James Hardy WR Indiana
2) Chilo Rachal G USC
3) Kenny Iwebema DE Iowa
4) Quintin Demps FS UNLV
5) Kirk Barton T Ohio State
6) Jehuu Caulcrick RB Michigan State

This leaves the 09 draft for LT, LB, CB


I don't feel we are going to have a good season next year because i haven't seen a schedule as brutal as our schedule (even though its early) therefore we might be picking high and next year like you said at LT, LB and CB

It would be sweet to get either

Michael Oher LT,

Malcom Jenkins CB or

Rey Melauga LB

(Probly mis spellings)

Hines
03-25-2008, 11:46 AM
I don't feel we are going to have a good season next year because i haven't seen a schedule as brutal as our schedule (even though its early) therefore we might be picking high and next year like you said at LT, LB and CB

It would be sweet to get either

Michael Oher LT,

Malcom Jenkins CB or

Rey Melauga LB

(Probly mis spellings)


I have us at 10-6 or 11-5. But if we do have a bad season, we will not have a top 5 pick and we will not be able to get them. I could see Eugune Monroe, left tackle from Virginia, Darry Beckwith, LB from LSU, Everette Brown, OLB from Florida State, ect.

mikehop05
03-25-2008, 12:23 PM
theres no point in looking at next years draft for me...

the amount of players that should play well that don't is just too frustrating to go and make predictions for

Hines
03-25-2008, 12:34 PM
With Booger visiting, I dont know what to think. I think it would be a good move to sign him, but hoping he passes a physical and him staying healthy. If he can do that, I would give him a 1 year contract for a small amount of money and hope he can stil play.

DeathbyStat
03-25-2008, 01:51 PM
With Booger visiting, I dont know what to think. I think it would be a good move to sign him, but hoping he passes a physical and him staying healthy. If he can do that, I would give him a 1 year contract for a small amount of money and hope he can stil play.

exactly if he clears medically and is cheap I'm all for this..he will only be in the D-line rotation so its not like he will start.

Hines
03-25-2008, 01:59 PM
exactly if he clears medically and is cheap I'm all for this..he will only be in the D-line rotation so its not like he will start.

He will have to come cheap because I dont think teams will want a injury prone player for a lot of money. I think he could start if proven healthy as he had a great career untill injuries have came up to bite him in the ass.

TheWood56
03-25-2008, 10:41 PM
I'm thinking if we sign Booger, Booger may back up Hampton at NT, and Hoke may back up Smith at SDE. Though I've heard a couple of people on another board say they don't think Hoke could play DE in a 3-4, but I personally think otherwise, and I think he'd make a nice back up to Smith at SDE. What does everyone think?

brat316
03-25-2008, 10:43 PM
I don't think Hoke can do it, if he could last season he would have been there.

TheWood56
03-25-2008, 11:12 PM
I don't think Hoke can do it, if he could last season he would have been there.

We had no one else who could play NT last season though, that's the thing. If Hoke was at SDE in place of the injured Smith, we'd have no NT depth, but if we do sign Booger, I think he'd be able to play NT while Hoke could shift over and back up Smith at SDE, while hopefully McBean or a rookie could back up Keisel at WDE.

mikehop05
03-25-2008, 11:50 PM
only way id take booger, who was cut after he failed a physical from the colts, is if he signed for the league min. for a veteran

mikehop05
03-25-2008, 11:52 PM
nthony "Booger" McFarland, released last month by the Indianapolis Colts when he failed their physical, came to a contract agreement with the Steelers last night after meeting with team officials and taking a physical earlier in the day. He is a defensive lineman who is 6 feet, 300 pounds. He spent all last season on injured reserve with a knee injury. The Colts acquired McFarland in a trade with Tampa Bay in October 2006 for a second-round draft choice.

so looks like we got ourselves a booger.

TheWood56
03-26-2008, 01:36 AM
nthony "Booger" McFarland, released last month by the Indianapolis Colts when he failed their physical, came to a contract agreement with the Steelers last night after meeting with team officials and taking a physical earlier in the day. He is a defensive lineman who is 6 feet, 300 pounds. He spent all last season on injured reserve with a knee injury. The Colts acquired McFarland in a trade with Tampa Bay in October 2006 for a second-round draft choice.

so looks like we got ourselves a booger.

Thanks for posting. It'll be interesting to see the details of the contract when they get released. I think it'll be for next to nothing, for 1-2 years tops.

Hines
03-26-2008, 02:27 AM
I dont hate it, but I dont love it. I think it is a solid signing to the point to where if he can stay healthy, we will have a good player on hand. I dont know where this goes with our draft though. The signing I like is the Greg Warren resigning. He is a solid long snapper for us, and I like him.

TheWood56
03-26-2008, 02:51 AM
I dont hate it, but I dont love it. I think it is a solid signing to the point to where if he can stay healthy, we will have a good player on hand. I dont know where this goes with our draft though. The signing I like is the Greg Warren resigning. He is a solid long snapper for us, and I like him.

I think it's a pretty good signing, as I'm assuming he signed for next to nothing, for 1-2 years tops. He'll provide us with some depth along the DL, and will hopefully give us a little more time to bring along McBean and hopefully another rookie DE (Langford).

Santonio10
03-26-2008, 10:42 AM
I like the signing. He's a very good player when healthy. I just really hope he can stay healthy though...

steelernation77
03-26-2008, 10:43 AM
He is about 275 now with decent speed, I think he will be better suited as an end. I just love how he can manhandle guys, and I wanted him last year until his senior season wasnt that good. I think he could be nasty.

Nooooo Iwebema. Guy is injury prone and has not progressed at all in college. The Hawkeyes got a better pass rush this year when he was out. The DEs next year, Ballard and Clayborne, will be better than Iwebema and Mattison. Trust me, I'm a student here and I've seen alot of him.

Mr. Stiller
03-26-2008, 11:36 AM
I think he and Hoke, with Woodley and Keisel will make a great Nickel 4 Man DL.

as for a Mock. I'm thinking Albert will get drafted too high and as Such:





1) The hype train. He's got all the momentum going right now. LT ability, agile, strong.
2) Too many teams, too little top talent. I wouldn't be surprised to see 2 OT's go top 5, 3 top 10, 5 top 20. 6 top 25, and gosder could sneak in the end of the round.

That in mind I thought about it (Plus I just got done watching half of the USC/ASU Game).

Here's what I'd do.

Trade down: Atlanta sends us their Original 2nd & 3rd round picks for rights to #23 overall (Joe Flacco).

Reasoning. Atlanta will get Jake Long, Chris Long or Glenn Dorsey in the top 3. They have 4 first day picks, even sending 2 our way, they get their Franchise QB, get ahead of Miami. I picked them because this trade is nearly equal (Our 760 to their 785). They get their Franchise DE/LT/UT and Franchise QB. And they still have a high pick in round 2. If I were them. And this is just me.. I'd be shopping John Abraham, draft Chris Long if he falls, trade Abraham (Probably another 2nd-3rd round pick). Just me.

And in all reality I think we could shop our pick as soon and if Albert is taken before us. We could get on the phone with Parcells, Atlantas GM, and Chicago's Gm and see who would offer the most lucrative trade offer for the QB they're all smitten for. I could see Parcells giving up a good bit with all the picks they have (Or could have) provided he doesn't trade down far enough to screw our bidding war.


So....

I tried to put links to all the players highlights on youtube.com....

37 Overall) Chilo Rachal, RG, USC

Combine Results:

Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 6050
Weight: 315
40 Yrd Dash: 5.16
20 Yrd Dash: 3.01
10 Yrd Dash: 1.80
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 28
Vertical Jump: 25 1/2
Broad Jump: 09'00"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 5.14
3-Cone Drill: 8.01

Pro Day Results: April 2nd....


Reasoning: Rachal is just impressive. I watched the Rose bowl and Just got done with the ASU vs. USC Game. Rachal had excellent anchor. Was surprisingly agile blocking downfield. Great Anchor in the pass game as he was never moved backwards. Mirrored a NT down the line on a rollout and completely kept him out of the play. I figure Kendall Simmons will be our starter for atleast the next 2-3 years barring injury, but I see him at LG, meaning we aren't necessarily pidgeon-holed for taking a LG Only, Rachal has all the positives of Kemo, but he seems better on the move and better technique. I love his potential at RG.

53 Overall) Curtis Lofton, LILB, Oklahoma

Combine Results:
Height: 6000
Weight: 246
40 Yrd Dash: 4.79
20 Yrd Dash: 2.73
10 Yrd Dash: 1.59
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 23
Vertical Jump: 24 1/2
Broad Jump: 08'09"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.56
3-Cone Drill: 7.69

Pro-Day Results:

Dates: 03/11/08
Height: 6000
Weight: 246
40 Yrd Dash: 4.67
20 Yrd Dash: 2.65
10 Yrd Dash: 1.55
225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump: 32
Broad Jump: 09'04"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.54
3-Cone Drill: 7.52

Reasoning: Curtis Lofton has that ability to be a downhill ILB in the Farrior Mold. He chased WVU's speedsters all over the field, takes excellent angles, solid in coverage and just makes plays.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=X_x4WvWEJO4

Watch the video and his ability to fly through the traffic and to the ball. Good Blitzer, solid in coverage, great against the run. Sure tackler.

68 Overall) Kendall Langford, DE, Hampton

Combine Results:

Height: 6054
Weight: 287
40 Yrd Dash: 4.95
20 Yrd Dash: 2.84
10 Yrd Dash: 1.62
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 24
Vertical Jump: 27
Broad Jump: 09'06"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.69
3-Cone Drill: 7.72

Pro-Day Results:

Dates: 03/13/08
Height: 6054
Weight: 287
40 Yrd Dash:
20 Yrd Dash:
10 Yrd Dash:
225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump: 31
Broad Jump: 09'05"
20 Yrd Shuttle:
3-Cone Drill:

Reasoning: Langford started all eleven games at right defensive end, leading the team with 72 tackles (32 solos) and twelve quarterback pressures… Ranked second on the squad with six sacks for minus 57 yards and 13.5 stops for losses totaling 81 yards…Caused two fumbles and deflected a pass…Blocked a kick and also recovered a blocked field goal…Made 70 of his stops vs. the run, as the opposition gained just 6 yards on those plays (0.09 avg)…Registered sixteen third-down stops and had five other hits on fourth-down activity…Allowed just one first down vs. rushing plays for the season, coming on a 10-yard run in the Morgan State clash…Collected fifteen of his tackles inside the red zone, including eleven on goal-line plays…Stopped opposing ball carriers at the line of scrimmage for no gain twelve times.

87 Overall) Jordy Nelson, WR, Kansas State

Combine Results:

Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 6025
Weight: 217
40 Yrd Dash: 4.51
20 Yrd Dash: 2.59
10 Yrd Dash: 1.50
225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump: 31
Broad Jump: 10'03"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.35
3-Cone Drill: 7.03

Pro day:

3/24/08-3/25/08 Results not in.

Reasoning: I'll let the video do the talking.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=W6B_VmbiR7o

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ek0ANQ8bRfo&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mIUu-nLx0lw&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HPaU-yrSVWY&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_CLchhPPidY&feature=related

End of the last video shows his ability to block DB's as well

118 Overall) Tyvon Branch, FS/CB, Connecticut

Combine Results:

Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 5113
Weight: 204
40 Yrd Dash: 4.31
20 Yrd Dash: 2.49
10 Yrd Dash: 1.43
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 19
Vertical Jump: 34
Broad Jump: 10'00"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.40
3-Cone Drill:

Reasoning:

183 Overall) Vincent Redd, OLB, Liberty

Pro Day Results:

Dates: 03/19/08 03/28/08
Height: 6054
Weight: 263
40 Yrd Dash: 4.56
20 Yrd Dash: 2.58
10 Yrd Dash: 1.56
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 13
Vertical Jump: 39
Broad Jump: 09'10"
20 Yrd Shuttle:
3-Cone Drill:


Reasoning: He played in a 3-4 at Liberty. Played both SOLB and WOLB. In Coverage, passrushing. I think he could be a late round steal and may have to be taken with our 5th rounder. 3-4 Experience, fluid coverage, explosive off the snap, great arm length. He could be a potential future ROLB, Given Harrisons age, it wouldnt' be bad to have him in the system 3 or 4 years until Harrison has to move back to backup or retire. Already has the basics, then has the understanding of LeBeaus Scheme. He could add another 10-15 lbs and still be the fastest LB on the team. Meanwhile being a killer passrusher.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=91hgZT-q0L0


222 Overall) Brandon Keith, RT, Northern Iowa

Combine Results:

Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 6052
Weight: 343
40 Yrd Dash: 5.27
20 Yrd Dash: 3.02
10 Yrd Dash: 1.87
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 31
Vertical Jump: 26
Broad Jump:
20 Yrd Shuttle:
3-Cone Drill:
Strained hamstring during 2nd 40

Pro day Results:

Dates: 03/27/08

Reasoning: I see him as the small School Carl Nicks. He was recently in a "riot" so his stock may have taken a hit. I Think he can play RT and at worst be depth behind Willie Colon, if not constantly challenge for his job.

UDFA: These are the guys I would look at, not necessarily sign all of them.

Offense:

Paul Smith, QB, Tulsa ~ Challenge Zabransky for the 3rd QB spot.

Chauncey Washington, RB, USC ~ Could eventually compete as the #2 RB

Chad Simpson, RB/RS, Morgan State ~ 4.40 RB at 5'8 215lbs. MJD 2.0? Doubtful, but he is a bowling ball, hard to locate and attack, low center of gravity allows his ability to cutback while maintaining full speed. Probably just camp fodder but his intangibles make me curious.

Jabari Arthur, WR, Akron ~ Big WR. Physical. Could be a future 3 or 4.

Robert Jordan, WR, California ~ hidden behind Lavelle Hawkins and DeSean Jackson could be the Speedy Slot receiver. Holmes, Nelson, Arthur and Jordan could be a solid tandem in a few years.

Matthew Mulligan, TE, Maine ~ Dude is an animal. I know the LOC was low, but he was blocking DT's in the Texas V. Nation game. Could be the Short Area receiver, blocking TE we need to allow Heath to Go out for passes more. I'm not 100% sure this is him in the video, but he looks just like him. He's a Strong boy.

Drew Miller, C, Florida ~ I figure adding Rachal will give us 6 possible OG's, Keith gives us 5 Possible OT's.. Miller will be added competition for Center. Got great size, athleticism and frame for more strength/weight.


Defense:


Bryan Mattison, LDE, Iowa ~ A UDFA to Challenge for a backup spot to Aaron Smith. He doesn't get the press his other teammates do, but he's a high motor, Strongside DE that can hold the point, I look at him as a shorter Wider possibly A. Smith Clone.

Derek Lokey, NT, Texas ~ Even at 288 lbs he's got the strength to challenge the big uglies of the league, Also a short Yardage FB and Long Snapper. Money saver.

Ervin Baldwin, ROLB, Michigan State ~ He could backup Woodley, he played the Rushbacker position at MSU. Could be solid depth. He has experience from the position and might be a good OLB for us to give a chance to.

Bo Ruud, RILB, Nebraska ~ I think Ruud could provide a Timmons like Depth. Tomlin wants talented athletes and I believe Ruud fits that mold, good LOC and great bloodlines.

Martail Burnett, LOLB, Utah ~ Burnett just makes plays in the backfield. It's unfortunate he didn't get an opportunity to be seen in All-star games. He could be an exceptional passrusher behind Woodley.

Zach Bowman, CB, Nebraska ~ Injuries have dropped Bowman from a sure day 1 pick to a UDFA candidate. Good size and he could play FS.

Haruki Nakamura, FS, Cincinnati ~ Could push An Smith to SS, could be a developmental prospect, probably my favorite player in the draft. I like him as a St's demon, always around the ball and makes plays.

DoWayne Davis, SS, Syracuse ~ Cut Tyrone Carter.. I wouldn't mind a 5 Safety Rotation of Smith, Polamalu, Davis, Clark and Nakamura.

Santonio10
03-26-2008, 01:12 PM
As much as i hate the thought of not having a first round pick, i really like this mock Stiller. Nice work. Im really starting to like this Nakamura guy too. All i hear is good things about him.

Santonio10
03-26-2008, 01:23 PM
Cardinals signed Haggans to a 1 year deal. They can have him.

terribletowel39
03-26-2008, 01:28 PM
I swear they are becoming the Steelers of the South. haha oh well. they don't have Dick.

Hines
03-26-2008, 01:32 PM
As much as you and I would like to move out of the first, I dont think we trade down. We could, but I dont think we do. I do like the mock, but after a strong combine, I dont think Zach will be undrafted. I think people and scouts will find him nice and heeled and they will take a flyer on him.

CDub
03-26-2008, 03:42 PM
Conflicting reports:

John Clayton just reported on the Mark Madden show on ESPN radio that McFarland has not yet signed a contract because he has not yet cleared the physical and Clayton said he actually thinks that Booger WON'T be signed by the Steelers.

Wonder if he's not fully healed...?

After the interview Madden mentioned that Booger's injury may keep him from participating in offseason training and that he may not even be ready for pre-season.

mikehop05
03-26-2008, 07:58 PM
hey skarocksi -- if you read this you should start that thing you did last year where we voted for who we should / shouldn't draft... i dont remember how we did it exactly but it was pretty cool

steelernation77
03-26-2008, 09:58 PM
It's now being reported McFarland failed his physical and will not be signed by the Steelers.

http://www.timesonline.com/articles/...3168875825.txt

fenikz
03-26-2008, 10:19 PM
I swear they are becoming the Steelers of the South. haha oh well. they don't have Dick.

Don't you mean West?

azbmxican
03-26-2008, 10:43 PM
he's a little slow

mikehop05
03-26-2008, 10:56 PM
Don't you mean West?

ehhh south west. we'll compromise

TheWood56
03-26-2008, 11:15 PM
Not good news regarding the Booger "signing". I thought it was a pretty good depth signing, and thought he could really help us out when we go with 4 DL, but I guess that's not going to happen now. :(

mikehop05
03-26-2008, 11:26 PM
Not good news regarding the Booger "signing". I thought it was a pretty good depth signing, and thought he could really help us out when we go with 4 DL, but I guess that's not going to happen now. :(

yeah kind of upsetting, though if he cannot pass a physical then we should just avoid him

TheWood56
03-26-2008, 11:41 PM
yeah kind of upsetting, though if he cannot pass a physical then we should just avoid him

Yeah, I agree. Thing is though, I thought he must've passed his physical, then when this came out, I was like "awww, WTF?"

Hines
03-26-2008, 11:46 PM
Ian Scott is still available for us to grab if we want depth at the dline.

Mr. Stiller
03-27-2008, 12:09 AM
Not 100% Accurate but

(Bold means I'd take a look)

Free Agent Players
Pos Player Name FA Status Previous Team Current Team
QB Brett Basanez ERFA Carolina Panthers
QB Daunte Culpepper UFA Oakland Raiders
QB Trent Dilfer UFA (Cut) San Francisco 49ers
QB Cullen Finnerty ERFA Baltimore Ravens
QB Ryan Fitzpatrick RFA Cincinnati Bengals
QB Gus Frerotte UFA (Cut) St. Louis Rams
QB Tim Hasselbeck UFA Arizona Cardinals
QB Kelly Holcomb UFA (Cut) Minnesota Vikings
QB Sam Hollenbach UFA Washington Redskins
QB Byron Leftwich UFA (Cut) Atlanta Falcons
QB Jared Lorenzen UFA New York Giants
QB Jamie Martin UFA New Orleans Saints
QB Craig Nall UFA Green Bay Packers
QB Dan Orlovsky RFA Detroit Lions
QB Jake Plummer UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
QB Tim Rattay UFA Arizona Cardinals
QB Brian St. Pierre UFA Pittsburgh Steelers
QB Marques Tuiasosopo UFA New York Jets
QB Chris Weinke UFA San Francisco 49ers
RB Rich Alexis RFA St. Louis Rams
RB Mike Anderson UFA (Cut) Baltimore Ravens
RB Dan Burks ERFA Cincinnati Bengals
RB Patrick Cobbs ERFA Miami Dolphins
RB Ron Dayne UFA Houston Texans
RB Samkon Gado RFA Miami Dolphins
RB Earnest Graham RFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
RB Ryan Grant ERFA Green Bay Packers
RB Gilbert Harris UFA (Cut) Kansas City Chiefs
RB Alex Haynes ERFA Carolina Panthers
RB Verron Haynes UFA Pittsburgh Steelers
RB Kevin Jones UFA (Cut) Detroit Lions
RB Keith Joseph RFA New Orleans Saints
RB ReShard Lee UFA Oakland Raiders
RB Reno Mahe UFA Philadelphia Eagles
RB Vernand Morency RFA Green Bay Packers
RB Montell Owens ERFA Jacksonville Jaguars
RB Alvin Pearman RFA Seattle Seahawks
RB Michael Pittman UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
RB Cory Ross ERFA Baltimore Ravens
RB Musa Smith UFA Baltimore Ravens
RB Chris Taylor ERFA Houston Texans
RB Anthony Thomas UFA (Cut) Buffalo Bills
RB Tyson Thompson RFA Dallas Cowboys
RB Darius Walker ERFA Houston Texans
RB Shaud Williams UFA Buffalo Bills
FB Mike Alstott UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
FB Nehemiah Broughton RFA Washington Redskins
FB Robert Douglas RFA New York Giants
FB Jim Finn UFA (Cut) New York Giants
FB Justin Green RFA Baltimore Ravens
FB Ahmard Hall RFA Tennessee Titans
FB David Kirtman RFA Seattle Seahawks
FB Dan Kreider UFA Pittsburgh Steelers
FB John Kuhn ERFA Green Bay Packers
FB Corey McIntyre RFA Atlanta Falcons
FB Lorenzo Neal UFA (Cut) San Diego Chargers
FB Ryan Neufeld UFA Buffalo Bills
FB Nate Schurman RFA New Orleans Saints
FB Stacy Tutt RFA New York Jets
FB Leonard Weaver RFA Seattle Seahawks
FB Travis Wilson RFA Kansas City Chiefs
WR David Anderson ERFA Houston Texans
WR Carlton Brewster UFA (Cut) Denver Broncos
WR Troy Brown UFA New England Patriots
WR Reche Caldwell UFA Washington Redskins
WR Greg Camarillo ERFA Miami Dolphins
WR Jason Carter ERFA Carolina Panthers
WR Tim Carter UFA New York Giants
WR Chris M. Davis RFA Miami Dolphins
WR Josh Davis ERFA Carolina Panthers
WR Rashied Davis RFA Chicago Bears
WR Eddie Drummond UFA Kansas City Chiefs
WR Tim Dwight UFA Oakland Raiders
WR Jamin Elliott UFA (Cut) Atlanta Falcons
WR Mike Espy UFA (Cut) Washington Redskins
WR Malcom Floyd RFA San Diego Chargers
WR Doug Gabriel UFA Oakland Raiders
WR Bryan Gilmore UFA San Francisco 49ers
WR David Givens UFA (Cut) Tennessee Titans
WR D.J. Hackett UFA Seattle Seahawks
WR Steven Harris UFA (Cut) Washington Redskins
WR Carlyle Holiday ERFA Green Bay Packers
WR Glenn Holt ERFA Cincinnati Bengals
WR Darrell Jackson UFA (Cut) San Francisco 49ers
WR B.J. Johnson RFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
WR Mark Jones RFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
WR Michael L. Lewis UFA San Francisco 49ers
WR Chad Lucas RFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
WR Ruvell Martin ERFA Green Bay Packers
WR Jerome Mathis RFA Houston Texans
WR Scott Mayle ERFA Buffalo Bills
WR Keenan McCardell UFA Washington Redskins
WR Chris McFoy RFA Oakland Raiders
WR Ahmad Merritt RFA Arizona Cardinals
WR Aaron Moorehead UFA Indianapolis Colts
WR Eric Moulds UFA Tennessee Titans
WR Samie Parker UFA Kansas City Chiefs
WR Peerless Price UFA (Cut) Buffalo Bills
WR Marcus Robinson UFA Detroit Lions
WR Craphonso Thorpe ERFA Indianapolis Colts
WR Jerheme Urban RFA Arizona Cardinals
WR Troy Walters UFA Detroit Lions
WR Nate Washington RFA Pittsburgh Steelers
WR Matt Willis ERFA Baltimore Ravens
TE Stephen Alexander UFA Denver Broncos
TE Billy Bajema RFA San Francisco 49ers
TE Mike Bartrum UFA Philadelphia Eagles
TE Kyle Brady UFA (Cut) New England Patriots
TE Joel Dreessen RFA Houston Texans
TE Jason Dunn UFA (Cut) Kansas City Chiefs
TE Greg Estandia ERFA Jacksonville Jaguars
TE Tim Euhus RFA Arizona Cardinals
TE Christian Fauria UFA Carolina Panthers
TE Bryan Fletcher UFA Indianapolis Colts
TE Tory Humphrey ERFA Green Bay Packers
TE Bennie Joppru UFA Seattle Seahawks
TE Brian Kozlowski UFA Washington Redskins
TE Ryan Krause UFA Green Bay Packers
TE John Madsen RFA Oakland Raiders
TE Tim Massaquoi ERFA Buffalo Bills
TE Sean McHugh RFA Detroit Lions
TE Jake Nordin ERFA Baltimore Ravens
TE Jamie Petrowski RFA Tennessee Titans
TE Marcus Pollard UFA Seattle Seahawks
TE Jeff Robinson UFA Seattle Seahawks
TE Mike Seidman UFA Indianapolis Colts
TE L.J. Smith FFA Philadelphia Eagles
TE Isaac Smolko ERFA Jacksonville Jaguars
TE Jerramy Stevens UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
TE Aaron Walker UFA St. Louis Rams
TE Jermaine Wiggins UFA Jacksonville Jaguars
TE Kris Wilson UFA Kansas City Chiefs
PK Morten Andersen UFA Atlanta Falcons
PK Rob Bironas RFA Tennessee Titans
PK John Carney UFA Kansas City Chiefs
PK Aaron Elling UFA Cincinnati Bengals
PK Olindo Mare UFA (Cut) New Orleans Saints
P Mitch Berger UFA Arizona Cardinals
P Derrick Frost UFA Washington Redskins
P Michael Koenen RFA Atlanta Falcons
OG Larry Allen UFA San Francisco 49ers
OG Joe Berger RFA Dallas Cowboys
OG Martin Bibla UFA Denver Broncos
OG Elton Brown RFA Arizona Cardinals
OG Jason Brown RFA Baltimore Ravens
OG Milford Brown UFA St. Louis Rams
OG Ruben Brown UFA Chicago Bears
OG Adrien Clarke UFA (Cut) New York Jets
OG Rick DeMulling UFA Washington Redskins
OG Jason Fabini UFA Washington Redskins
OG Dylan Gandy RFA Indianapolis Colts
OG Drew Hodgdon UFA (Cut) Houston Texans
OG Chris Kemoeatu RFA Pittsburgh Steelers
OG Chris Liwienski UFA Miami Dolphins
OG Evan Mathis RFA Carolina Panthers
OG Seth McKinney UFA Cleveland Browns
OG Gene Mruczkowski UFA Miami Dolphins
OG Chris Myers RFA Denver Broncos
OG Chris Naeole UFA (Cut) Jacksonville Jaguars
OG Ike Ndukwe RFA Miami Dolphins
OG Shane Olivea UFA (Cut) San Diego Chargers
OG Erik Pears ERFA Denver Broncos
OG Scott Peters UFA Arizona Cardinals
OG Tutan Reyes UFA Jacksonville Jaguars
OG Blaine Saipaia UFA (Cut) Detroit Lions
OG Jake Scott UFA Indianapolis Colts
OG Barry Stokes UFA Detroit Lions
OG Ross Tucker UFA Washington Redskins
OG Fred Weary UFA Houston Texans
OG Floyd Womack UFA Seattle Seahawks
OT Tom Ashworth UFA (Cut) Seattle Seahawks
OT Wesley Britt RFA New England Patriots
OT Anthony Clement UFA (Cut) New York Jets
OT Nat Dorsey UFA Cleveland Browns
OT Trai Essex RFA Pittsburgh Steelers
OT Brandon Frye ERFA Houston Texans
OT Wayne Gandy UFA (Cut) Atlanta Falcons
OT Brandon Gorin UFA St. Louis Rams
OT Scott Jackson UFA Houston Texans
OT Adam Kieft RFA Cincinnati Bengals
OT Cory Lekkerkerker RFA Miami Dolphins
OT Daniel Loper RFA Tennessee Titans
OT Stockar McDougle UFA Jacksonville Jaguars
OT Fred Miller UFA (Cut) Chicago Bears
OT Doug Nienhuis UFA (Cut) Denver Broncos
OT Jonathan Palmer RFA Oakland Raiders
OT Donald Penn RFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
OT Stephen Peterman RFA Detroit Lions
OT Mike Rosenthal UFA Miami Dolphins
OT Oliver Ross UFA (Cut) Arizona Cardinals
OT L.J. Shelton UFA (Cut) Miami Dolphins
OT Barry Sims UFA (Cut) Oakland Raiders
OT Max Starks TFA Pittsburgh Steelers
OT Todd Steussie UFA St. Louis Rams
OT David Stewart RFA Tennessee Titans
OT Will Svitek RFA Kansas City Chiefs
OT Chris Terry UFA Kansas City Chiefs
OT Torrin Tucker UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
OT Kyle Turley UFA Kansas City Chiefs
OT Mike D. Williams UFA Jacksonville Jaguars
OT Mark Wilson RFA Oakland Raiders
C Ethan Albright UFA Washington Redskins
C Jon Condo RFA Oakland Raiders
C Andrew Economos RFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
C Mike Flanagan UFA (Cut) Houston Texans
C Mike Flynn UFA (Cut) Baltimore Ravens
C Lennie Friedman UFA Cleveland Browns
C Geoff Hangartner RFA Carolina Panthers
C Nathan Hodel UFA Arizona Cardinals
C Ryan Kuehl UFA New York Giants
C Nick Leckey UFA St. Louis Rams
C Andy McCollum UFA St. Louis Rams
C Steve McKinney UFA (Cut) Houston Texans
C Scott Mruczkowski RFA San Diego Chargers
C Jeremy Newberry UFA Oakland Raiders
C Rudy Niswanger RFA Kansas City Chiefs
C Mike Pucillo UFA Washington Redskins
C Brett Romberg UFA St. Louis Rams
C Wade Smith UFA New York Jets
C Tyson Walter UFA Green Bay Packers
C Casey Wiegmann UFA Kansas City Chiefs
OL Jeromey Clary RFA San Diego Chargers
OL Marion Dukes UFA (Cut) Miami Dolphins
OL Aaron Merz UFA (Cut) Buffalo Bills
OL Cory Procter RFA Dallas Cowboys
DL Rodney Bailey UFA Arizona Cardinals
DL Marcus Bell UFA (Cut) New York Giants
DL Charles Bennett RFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
DL Ryan Boschetti UFA Washington Redskins
DL Anthony Bryant UFA (Cut) Miami Dolphins
DL Earl Cochran ERFA Houston Texans
DL Colin Cole RFA Green Bay Packers
DL Rod Coleman UFA (Cut) Atlanta Falcons
DL Sean Conover RFA Tennessee Titans
DL Chris Cooper UFA (Cut) Arizona Cardinals
DL Josh Cooper RFA New Orleans Saints
DL Chauncey Davis RFA Atlanta Falcons
DL Russell Davis UFA New York Giants
DL Nick Eason UFA Pittsburgh Steelers
DL Kalimba Edwards UFA (Cut) Detroit Lions
DL Ebenezer Ekuban UFA Denver Broncos
DL Antonio Garay UFA Chicago Bears
DL Gary Gibson ERFA Carolina Panthers
DL Amon Gordon RFA Baltimore Ravens
DL James Hall UFA (Cut) St. Louis Rams
DL Bobby Hamilton UFA Cleveland Browns
DL Anthony Hargrove UFA Buffalo Bills
DL Jovan Haye RFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
DL Grady Jackson UFA Jacksonville Jaguars
DL Jason Jefferson RFA Buffalo Bills
DL Edward Johnson ERFA Indianapolis Colts
DL Shawn Johnson RFA Tennessee Titans
DL Trevor Johnson UFA St. Louis Rams
DL Edgar Jones ERFA Baltimore Ravens
DL Matt Katula RFA Baltimore Ravens
DL Ethan Kelley UFA Cleveland Browns
DL Ross Kolodziej UFA Arizona Cardinals
DL Marquay Love UFA (Cut) Miami Dolphins
DL Corey Mace ERFA Buffalo Bills
DL Anthony Maddox UFA Houston Texans
DL Anthony McFarland UFA (Cut) Indianapolis Colts
DL Brandon McKinney RFA San Diego Chargers
DL Jeremy Mincey ERFA Jacksonville Jaguars
DL Langston Moore UFA Detroit Lions
DL Chase Page ERFA Miami Dolphins
DL J'vonne Parker RFA Baltimore Ravens
DL James Reed UFA (Cut) Kansas City Chiefs
DL Darrell Reid RFA Indianapolis Colts
DL Bryan Robinson UFA Cincinnati Bengals
DL Orpheus Roye UFA (Cut) Cleveland Browns
DL Mike Rucker UFA Carolina Panthers
DL Bo Schobel UFA Arizona Cardinals
DL Darrion Scott UFA Minnesota Vikings
DL Josh Shaw UFA Oakland Raiders
DL Antonio D. Smith RFA Arizona Cardinals
DL Khreem Smith UFA (Cut) Kansas City Chiefs
DL Greg Spires UFA (Cut) Tampa Bay Buccaneers
DL Joe Tafoya UFA Arizona Cardinals
DL Dave Tollefson RFA New York Giants
DL Keith Traylor UFA (Cut) Miami Dolphins
DL Larry Tripplett UFA (Cut) Buffalo Bills
DL Lee Vickers ERFA Baltimore Ravens
DL Kimo von Oelhoffen UFA Philadelphia Eagles
DL Darwin Walker UFA (Cut) Chicago Bears
DL Al Wallace UFA Buffalo Bills
DL Ted Washington UFA Cleveland Browns
DL Greg White RFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
DL Manuel Wright RFA New York Giants
DL James Wyche ERFA Jacksonville Jaguars
DL Renaldo Wynn UFA New Orleans Saints
LB Keith Adams UFA Cleveland Browns
LB Eric Alexander RFA New England Patriots
LB Jon Alston RFA Oakland Raiders
LB Shawn Barber UFA (Cut) Houston Texans
LB Kendrell Bell UFA (Cut) Kansas City Chiefs
LB Michael Boley RFA Atlanta Falcons
LB Ricky Brown RFA Oakland Raiders
LB Chris Claiborne UFA Jacksonville Jaguars
LB Marquis Cooper UFA Pittsburgh Steelers
LB Blake Costanzo ERFA Buffalo Bills
LB Quinton Culberson RFA St. Louis Rams
LB Na'il Diggs UFA Carolina Panthers
LB Isaiah Ekejiuba RFA Oakland Raiders
LB Heath Farwell RFA New England Patriots
LB Gilbert Gardner UFA Tennessee Titans
LB Tony Gilbert UFA Jacksonville Jaguars
LB Randall Godfrey UFA Washington Redskins
LB Ian Gold UFA (Cut) Denver Broncos
LB Kris Griffin RFA Cleveland Browns
LB Mario Haggan UFA Buffalo Bills
LB Clark Haggans UFA Pittsburgh Steelers
LB Marques Harris RFA San Diego Chargers
LB Arnold Harrison RFA Pittsburgh Steelers
LB Kevin Harrison UFA (Cut) Buffalo Bills
LB Victor Hobson UFA New York Jets
LB Warrick Holdman UFA (Cut) Denver Broncos
LB Brandon Jamison ERFA Carolina Panthers
LB Rashad Jeanty RFA Cincinnati Bengals
LB Isaiah Kacyvenski UFA Oakland Raiders
LB Clint Kriewaldt UFA (Cut) Pittsburgh Steelers
LB Lance Laury RFA Seattle Seahawks
LB Lemar Marshall UFA Cincinnati Bengals
LB Corey Mays RFA Cincinnati Bengals
LB Robert McCune RFA Baltimore Ravens
LB Terrence Melton UFA Carolina Panthers
LB Caleb Miller UFA Cincinnati Bengals
LB Rob Morris UFA (Cut) Indianapolis Colts
LB Keith O'Neil UFA Indianapolis Colts
LB Kenneth Pettway RFA Jacksonville Jaguars
LB Mickey Pimentel RFA Kansas City Chiefs
LB Rich Scanlon UFA Tennessee Titans
LB Junior Seau UFA New England Patriots
LB Adam Seward RFA Carolina Panthers
LB Brian Simmons UFA (Cut) New Orleans Saints
LB Mike L. Smith RFA Baltimore Ravens
LB Raonall Smith UFA St. Louis Rams
LB Takeo Spikes UFA (Cut) Philadelphia Eagles
LB Donnie Spragan UFA Miami Dolphins
LB Josh Stamer UFA Buffalo Bills
LB Matt Stewart UFA Cleveland Browns
LB Jashon Sykes UFA Washington Redskins
LB Jeremiah Trotter UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
LB Mason Unck UFA Cleveland Browns
LB Marcus Wilkins UFA (Cut) Atlanta Falcons
LB Coy Wire UFA (Cut) Buffalo Bills
LB Pierre Woods ERFA New England Patriots
CB Roc Alexander UFA Houston Texans
CB Tony Beckham UFA Detroit Lions
CB Ralph Brown UFA Arizona Cardinals
CB Jerametrius Butler UFA (Cut) Buffalo Bills
CB Chris Carr RFA Oakland Raiders
CB Terry Cousin UFA Jacksonville Jaguars
CB Curtis Deloatch UFA Carolina Panthers
CB Andre Dyson UFA (Cut) New York Jets
CB Dustin Fox RFA Buffalo Bills
CB Domonique Foxworth RFA Denver Broncos
CB Willie Gaston ERFA Baltimore Ravens
CB Aaron Glenn UFA Jacksonville Jaguars
CB Cletis Gordon RFA San Diego Chargers
CB Eric Green RFA Arizona Cardinals
CB Joselio Hanson RFA Philadelphia Eagles
CB Kelly Herndon UFA (Cut) Tennessee Titans
CB LeMarcus Hicks ERFA Detroit Lions
CB Reynaldo Hill RFA Tennessee Titans
CB Daven Holly RFA Cleveland Browns
CB Chidi Iwuoma UFA Tennessee Titans
CB Chris X. Johnson UFA Oakland Raiders
CB Ty Law UFA (Cut) Kansas City Chiefs
CB Omare Lowe UFA Atlanta Falcons
CB Grant Mason RFA Pittsburgh Steelers
CB Evan Oglesby RFA Dallas Cowboys
CB Karl Paymah RFA Denver Broncos
CB Hank Poteat UFA New York Jets
CB Ronnie Prude ERFA Baltimore Ravens
CB Chris Roberson RFA Jacksonville Jaguars
CB B.J. Sams UFA Baltimore Ravens
CB Benny Sapp UFA Kansas City Chiefs
CB Chad Scott UFA New England Patriots
CB Jeff Shoate RFA New York Giants
CB Donald Strickland UFA San Francisco 49ers
CB Fred Thomas UFA New Orleans Saints
CB Marcus Trufant FFA Seattle Seahawks
CB B.J. Tucker RFA San Francisco 49ers
CB E.J. Underwood UFA (Cut) Buffalo Bills
CB Matt Ware UFA Arizona Cardinals
CB Ronyell Whitaker UFA Minnesota Vikings
CB C.J. Wilson ERFA Carolina Panthers
CB Jamaine Winborne ERFA Baltimore Ravens
CB Dexter Wynn UFA Houston Texans
SS Hamza Abdullah RFA Denver Broncos
SS Jay Bellamy UFA New Orleans Saints
SS Atari Bigby ERFA Green Bay Packers
SS Greg Blue ERFA Detroit Lions
SS Brandon Browner RFA Denver Broncos
SS Oliver Celestin UFA Arizona Cardinals
SS Jarrod Cooper UFA Oakland Raiders
SS Hiram Eugene RFA Oakland Raiders
SS Nick Ferguson UFA Denver Broncos
SS Matt Giordano RFA Indianapolis Colts
SS Kenoy Kennedy UFA (Cut) Detroit Lions
SS Pierson Prioleau UFA Washington Redskins
SS Nate Salley ERFA Carolina Panthers
SS Omar Stoutmire UFA Washington Redskins
SS Travares Tillman UFA Miami Dolphins
FS O.J. Atogwe RFA St. Louis Rams
FS William Bartee UFA Kansas City Chiefs
FS Idrees Bashir UFA Detroit Lions
FS C.C. Brown RFA Houston Texans
FS James Butler RFA New York Giants
FS Deke Cooper UFA Carolina Panthers
FS Chris Crocker UFA Atlanta Falcons
FS Mike Doss UFA Minnesota Vikings
FS Jamaal Fudge ERFA Jacksonville Jaguars
FS Vincent Fuller RFA Tennessee Titans
FS Steve Gregory RFA San Diego Chargers
FS Bhawoh Jue UFA Arizona Cardinals
FS Jim Leonhard RFA Buffalo Bills
FS Brandon McGowan RFA Chicago Bears
FS Hanik Milligan UFA St. Louis Rams
FS Mel Mitchell UFA New England Patriots
FS Donnie Nickey UFA Tennessee Titans
FS Gerome Sapp UFA Baltimore Ravens
FS Lance Schulters UFA Miami Dolphins
FS Gerald Sensabaugh RFA Jacksonville Jaguars
FS Jason Simmons UFA Houston Texans
AC Rob Davis UFA Green Bay Packers
ST Greg Warren RFA Pittsburgh Steelers

Hines
03-27-2008, 12:17 AM
I seriously dont know how Shane Olivea hasnt been signed up. I think I read that he is hurt or has character concerns, but I think he could be a great tackle for us. Sign him and get rid of Starks. Draft LT in 09.

TheWood56
03-27-2008, 07:07 AM
Does anyone think we'll target another DL via FA now that we haven't signed Booger?

Mr. Stiller
03-27-2008, 07:25 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing Mike Rucker as a Cheap Passrusher in Nickel Situations.

Jakey
03-27-2008, 08:18 AM
What about Corey Smith from Detroit...i really liked him last year.

TheWood56
03-27-2008, 08:24 AM
What about Corey Smith from Detroit...i really liked him last year.

As a situational pass rusher/depth/ST's guy?

Mr. Stiller
03-27-2008, 10:29 AM
As a situational pass rusher/depth/ST's guy?

I Think Jakey means Redding.

Jakey
03-27-2008, 10:34 AM
Nah, Corey Smith is a DE for the Lions...he is 6'2" 250, i think he would be a great ST'er and a situational passrusher.

terribletowel39
03-27-2008, 10:35 AM
Don't you mean West?
AZ is further south than Pitt. Thats all I was going for. ;)

Jakey
03-27-2008, 10:36 AM
TT that sig is badass!!! Awesomeness :)

Hines
03-27-2008, 10:39 AM
Nah, Corey Smith is a DE for the Lions...he is 6'2" 250, i think he would be a great ST'er and a situational passrusher.

I would rather go after Kalimba Edwards.

terribletowel39
03-27-2008, 10:47 AM
TT that sig is badass!!! Awesomeness :)
thank you sir. +rep vatech. he did a real good job.

Hines
03-27-2008, 11:09 AM
Two UDFA that I am intrigued by are William Hayes and Nathaniel Biggs both from Winston-Salem State. Hayes is an OLB or DE who exploded during his Pro Day and can rush the passer. Biggs is an intriguing talent. Has good ball skills, and is fast, strong, and can jump.

Hines
03-27-2008, 01:56 PM
I am bored, and crazy so I thought it would be a good idea to make a mock for this year, aslong as next year. I will put my reasoning behind them as well. So enjoy as I project who will be juniors coming out next year as well:

2008:

1) James Hardy WR Indiana
With Albert and the top 3 tackles gone, we go reciever here. Hardy brings a big, redzone player who can contribute right away. He is the tall reciever Ben wants and helps out our offense to bring mismatches in the redzone. Hines, Hardy, Heath, Spaeth is so legit that it will be unfair.

2) Chilo Raschal G USC
With Faneca gone, we bring in the next rated guard in the draft. Raschal is very good. He will bring toughness to the offensive line. He came out as a junior and I think he will get even better. Will start at LG from day 1.

3) Bruce Davis OLB UCLA
With Davis, you get a player who can flat out get after the quarterback. Although he is small, he is fast and agressive. He needs to work on playing the run more, but I think he can put up very good numbers and lead our team in sacks for years. I read comparisions to Joey Porter as he likes to jaw with people after getting sacks. Will start out as a gunner on ST but could take Harrisons spot in a few years.

4) Carlton Powell DE Virginia Tech
I like Powell a lot. He has a nice motor, can play the run, and rush the passer. He could provide needed depth and could start if he keeps working. I could seem him as a steal, and a better player then Ryan Mcbean who we selected around this time last year.

5) Haruki Nakamura S Cincinati
I have grown to really like him watching his highlights. He brings exactly what Steeler football is, a physical, in your face type of player who will just flat out hit you. A little undersized, but he makes it up with his hitting ability. He would be excellent on ST and will make that unit stronger, plus he can come in for Carter and hit recievers coming over the middle. A steal possibly if we get him. A reach a bit, but I would like to take that risk.

6) Jehuu Caulcrick RB Michigan State
With recent addition of Mwelde Moore, I could see Davenports' role limited. Davenport isnt what we need. With Caulcrick, he can knock Davenport off the roster and bring that tough, physical runner that we need to get those tough yards. I can see goalline carries for Caulcrick in the future.


2009:

1) Alex Boone LT Ohio State
Since we missed out on our LT in 08, we get him in the first round of this draft. Boone is a four year starter at LT for the Buckeyes and will man that position for years to come. Could start as a rookie depending on Marvel situation.

2) Victor "Macho" Harris CB Virginia Tech
Decided to stay in school for his senior season was a good move. He is just as physical as his teamate Brandon Flowers, and slightly faster. I think he will be around with our second round pick, and I will love to have him.

3) Aaron Curry LB Wake Forest
With Curry, you get a James Farrior clone. Curry is fast, great in coverage, can hit, and is a leader. He had three interceptions for touchdowns last year and lead the team in tackles. He will be the successor for Farrior in his second year. He will be a special teams demon his rookie year.

4) A.Q. Shipley C Penn State
3 year starter and all Big Ten at center. He lacks height, but he is a competitor and gets after it. He is extremely smart, and a great role model. Could start his second season after Hartwigs time is up.

5) B.J. Raji DT Boston College
A very talented player, but grades and intelligence kept him from playing. I think he is good, and could be a good clog and depth for Casey Hampton

6) Ramses Barden WR/TE Cal Poly
Barden felt like coming out his junior season, but chose to stay. He is a tall reciever, with great hands and leaping ability. He might not time out well in the speed department, which might have teams make him bulk up and become a Gates/Clark type of tight end. Could bring another demension to our potent offense.

7) Eric VandenHeuvel T Wisconsin
I dont know much about him, but he provides depth, and I read he could become a good player if motivated. Could possibly start at RT or provide great depth at the position.


The later rounds in the 09 draft I got stumped, but I hope I did a good job. Critize all you want, but I tried my best.

Hines
03-27-2008, 02:06 PM
We got desperate and resigned Nick Eason for two more years. Yikes.

Jakey
03-27-2008, 03:26 PM
Ewwwwwwwwwwwww! That is horrible...i can still see him not making the final roster though.

AllDayFootball724
03-27-2008, 04:50 PM
If we draft a DE is probably will get cut,

mikehop05
03-27-2008, 05:32 PM
If we draft a DE is probably will get cut,

is sentence are that?

Santonio10
03-27-2008, 07:56 PM
haha yeah are it? :)

Mr. Stiller
03-27-2008, 10:07 PM
I am bored, and crazy so I thought it would be a good idea to make a mock for this year, aslong as next year. I will put my reasoning behind them as well. So enjoy as I project who will be juniors coming out next year as well:

2008:

1) James Hardy WR Indiana
With Albert and the top 3 tackles gone, we go reciever here. Hardy brings a big, redzone player who can contribute right away. He is the tall reciever Ben wants and helps out our offense to bring mismatches in the redzone. Hines, Hardy, Heath, Spaeth is so legit that it will be unfair.

2) Chilo Raschal G USC
With Faneca gone, we bring in the next rated guard in the draft. Raschal is very good. He will bring toughness to the offensive line. He came out as a junior and I think he will get even better. Will start at LG from day 1.

3) Bruce Davis OLB UCLA
With Davis, you get a player who can flat out get after the quarterback. Although he is small, he is fast and agressive. He needs to work on playing the run more, but I think he can put up very good numbers and lead our team in sacks for years. I read comparisions to Joey Porter as he likes to jaw with people after getting sacks. Will start out as a gunner on ST but could take Harrisons spot in a few years.

4) Carlton Powell DE Virginia Tech
I like Powell a lot. He has a nice motor, can play the run, and rush the passer. He could provide needed depth and could start if he keeps working. I could seem him as a steal, and a better player then Ryan Mcbean who we selected around this time last year.

5) Haruki Nakamura S Cincinati
I have grown to really like him watching his highlights. He brings exactly what Steeler football is, a physical, in your face type of player who will just flat out hit you. A little undersized, but he makes it up with his hitting ability. He would be excellent on ST and will make that unit stronger, plus he can come in for Carter and hit recievers coming over the middle. A steal possibly if we get him. A reach a bit, but I would like to take that risk.

6) Jehuu Caulcrick RB Michigan State
With recent addition of Mwelde Moore, I could see Davenports' role limited. Davenport isnt what we need. With Caulcrick, he can knock Davenport off the roster and bring that tough, physical runner that we need to get those tough yards. I can see goalline carries for Caulcrick in the future.


2009:

1) Alex Boone LT Ohio State
Since we missed out on our LT in 08, we get him in the first round of this draft. Boone is a four year starter at LT for the Buckeyes and will man that position for years to come. Could start as a rookie depending on Marvel situation.

2) Victor "Macho" Harris CB Virginia Tech
Decided to stay in school for his senior season was a good move. He is just as physical as his teamate Brandon Flowers, and slightly faster. I think he will be around with our second round pick, and I will love to have him.

3) Aaron Curry LB Wake Forest
With Curry, you get a James Farrior clone. Curry is fast, great in coverage, can hit, and is a leader. He had three interceptions for touchdowns last year and lead the team in tackles. He will be the successor for Farrior in his second year. He will be a special teams demon his rookie year.

4) A.Q. Shipley C Penn State
3 year starter and all Big Ten at center. He lacks height, but he is a competitor and gets after it. He is extremely smart, and a great role model. Could start his second season after Hartwigs time is up.

5) B.J. Raji DT Boston College
A very talented player, but grades and intelligence kept him from playing. I think he is good, and could be a good clog and depth for Casey Hampton

6) Ramses Barden WR/TE Cal Poly
Barden felt like coming out his junior season, but chose to stay. He is a tall reciever, with great hands and leaping ability. He might not time out well in the speed department, which might have teams make him bulk up and become a Gates/Clark type of tight end. Could bring another demension to our potent offense.

7) Eric VandenHeuvel T Wisconsin
I dont know much about him, but he provides depth, and I read he could become a good player if motivated. Could possibly start at RT or provide great depth at the position.


The later rounds in the 09 draft I got stumped, but I hope I did a good job. Critize all you want, but I tried my best.

I think you need to work on value a bit more..

I love Nakamura, Rachal and Powell is pretty good.

Outside of Macho Harris, and Eric Vandenheuval I hate that 09 Mock.

Hines
03-27-2008, 10:09 PM
I think you need to work on value a bit more..

I love Nakamura, Rachal and Powell is pretty good.

Outside of Macho Harris, and Eric Vandenheuval I hate that 09 Mock.

Yeah I am not too familiar with the 09 draft yet, but I do like Aaron Curry. He has James Farrior written all over him. I also like Alex Boone and believe he can protect Ben for years to come. Other then that, I am not sure.

Mr. Stiller
03-27-2008, 10:25 PM
1) Quentin Groves, DE/OLB, Auburgn
2) Chilo Rachal, RG, USC
3) Kendall Langford, DE, Hampton
4) Antwuan Molden, CB/FS, Eastern Kentucky
5) Keilen Dykes, DE, West Virginia
6) Mario Urrutia, WR, Louisville

2009:

1) Andrew Gardner, LT, Georgia Tech
2) Scott McKillop, ILB, Pittsburgh
3) Jamaal Westerman, LOLB, Rutgers
3) Peria Jerry, DT, Mississippi
4) Wopamo Osaisai, SlotCB, Stanford
5) Dicky Lyons Jr., WR, Kentucky
6) Brannan Southerland, FB/RB, Georgia
7) Eric Vandenheuval, OT, Wisconsin

Mr. Stiller
03-27-2008, 10:26 PM
Yeah I am not too familiar with the 09 draft yet, but I do like Aaron Curry. He has James Farrior written all over him. I also like Alex Boone and believe he can protect Ben for years to come. Other then that, I am not sure.

Give me McKillop in the 2nd round over any other ILB in the next 2 years.

He's the definition of Shut down MLB. I love that kid, you know if we don't get Lofton/Mayo.

Boone is way overrated, Andrew Gardner, Eugene Monroe over that bum.

I think Gardner could be a top 5 LT in the league, he's way underrated. My #1 LT in 2009.

Hines
03-27-2008, 10:29 PM
Give me McKillop in the 2nd round over any other ILB in the next 2 years.

He's the definition of Shut down MLB. I love that kid, you know if we don't get Lofton/Mayo.

Boone is way overrated, Andrew Gardner, Eugene Monroe over that bum.

I think Gardner could be a top 5 LT in the league, he's way underrated. My #1 LT in 2009.

I absolutely love Monroe along with Gardner, hell, if he comes out, I would go after Andre Smith as well.

But if you watch Curry, assuming that you have, I can just see Farrior in him. He can cover, play the run, fast, agressive, can blitz, has the whole package.

Mr. Stiller
03-27-2008, 10:33 PM
I absolutely love Monroe along with Gardner, hell, if he comes out, I would go after Andre Smith as well.

But if you watch Curry, assuming that you have, I can just see Farrior in him. He can cover, play the run, fast, agressive, can blitz, has the whole package.

I'm not doubting him in anything other than in the 3-4. I think he's better in a 4-3 or Cover2 system. Kind of a Rover style/WLB In a 4-3.

I see McKillop as a monster run stuffing type. He was the entire defense for Pittsburgh

Hines
03-27-2008, 10:38 PM
I'm not doubting him in anything other than in the 3-4. I think he's better in a 4-3 or Cover2 system. Kind of a Rover style/WLB In a 4-3.

I see McKillop as a monster run stuffing type. He was the entire defense for Pittsburgh

I do like run stuffers, and I have not seen McKillop play, but from what I saw from Curry I really liked. I think he can bulk up about 10 pounds(hes about 230 now) and become a Farrior type.

Mr. Stiller
03-27-2008, 10:49 PM
I do like run stuffers, and I have not seen McKillop play, but from what I saw from Curry I really liked. I think he can bulk up about 10 pounds(hes about 230 now) and become a Farrior type.

I think McKillops Wrestling experience gives him the edge in block beating.

He had 10+ Tackle Games (7), 140+Tackles, 7 passes defended, 11 TFLS, 5 sacks.

Curry is mor like Timmons than Farrior. McKillop reminds me of Nick Barnett, He will fly through the OL and just nail a person.

Watch the WVU v Pitt Game.

Curry has more talent in front of him than McKillop does.

TheWood56
03-29-2008, 08:06 AM
I would rather go after Kalimba Edwards.

He recently signed with the Raiders.

Hines
03-29-2008, 12:52 PM
Mock Draft:

1) Antoine Cason CB Arizona http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/antoine-cason?id=208

With Albert and the top tackles gone, Cason would be an ideal pick to improve our pass defense.

2) Roy Schuening G Oregon State http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/roy-schuening?id=314

With the loss of Faneca, we bring in a player who I think compares to Faneca the most. Will start at LG for years to come.

3) Bruce Davis OLB UCLA http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/bruce-davis?id=1695

Davis plays just like Joey Porter, energetic, and likes to talk a lot. I think he could have a similar impact as Porter and having Woodley and Davis chasing after the quarterback excites me.

4) Carlton Powell DE Virgina Tech http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/carlton-powell?id=296

Powell was one of the reasons why the Hookies defense was one of the best in the country. He is a great run stopper but can also rush the passer. If he can develop right, he can start over Keisel in his second season.

5) Mario Uruttia WR Louisville http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/mario-urrutia?id=2331

He came out after a injury filled junior year. He was extremely productive and will be that tall, redzone target for Ben.


6) Jehuu Caulcrick RB Michigan State http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/jehuu-caulcrick?id=1355

Big, bruising back who will take over the short-yardage duties. Will hopefully take Davenports spot on the roster and can provide an impact that Jerome Bettis did, even though its very unlikely.

mikehop05
03-29-2008, 03:02 PM
great mock, addresses all of our needs

Jakey
03-29-2008, 03:11 PM
I love the Cason and Davis picks...but Rachal would be better than Sheuning IMO. And im not too hot on the rest of the picks. Good attempt though.

steel man
03-29-2008, 04:13 PM
if all that it takes to get "pacman" jones is a 7th rd pick and a no name player would it not be worth taking a chance on him. it he does not work out so what none of our 7th rd picks ever make the team anyway and no 7th rd pick has the talent that "packman" does. dont get me wrong i can not stand the man as a human but he can play ball and would help us. with our strong team and our strict coaches he might would pan out, just throwing the ideal out there.

mikehop05
03-29-2008, 04:36 PM
I love the Cason and Davis picks...but Rachal would be better than Sheuning IMO. And im not too hot on the rest of the picks. Good attempt though.

true i wouldl ike rachal better as well

i like the mario pick... taking a chance on a tall guy isnt a bad idea

Hines
03-29-2008, 06:37 PM
I think Rachal will be gone by our second round pick.

TheWood56
03-29-2008, 10:41 PM
if all that it takes to get "pacman" jones is a 7th rd pick and a no name player would it not be worth taking a chance on him. it he does not work out so what none of our 7th rd picks ever make the team anyway and no 7th rd pick has the talent that "packman" does. dont get me wrong i can not stand the man as a human but he can play ball and would help us. with our strong team and our strict coaches he might would pan out, just throwing the ideal out there.

Titans want a conditional 3rd rounder for him, and I believe the Cowboys offered them a conditional 5th to begin with, but have bumped it up to a conditional 4th now IIRC. We don't have a 7th rounder either, and Pacman has already stated that he wants to be a Cowboy, as the Cowboys are "America's team".

Mr. Stiller
03-29-2008, 10:59 PM
I tweaked my Atlanta mock:

37 Overall) Chilo Rachal, OG, USC ~ 6'5 318lbs
53 Overall) Curtis Lofton, ILB, Oklahoma ~ 6'0 246lbs
69 Overall) Kendall Langford, DE, Hampton ~ 6'5 287lbs
85 Overall) Jeremy Thompson, DE/OLB, Wake Forest ~ 6'5 265lbs
117 Overall) Doug Legursky, C/G, Marshall ~ 6'3 312lbs
149 Overall) Keilen Dykes, DE, WVU ~ 6'4 305lbs
181 Overall) Mario Urrutia, WR, Louisville ~ 6'6 232lbs


Additions:

Thompson, Urrutia, Legursky, Dykes

Subtractions:

I don't feel like lookingit up

Oh no CB is missing.. 2009 Draft. Malcolm Jenkins.