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Unbiased
04-20-2008, 11:10 PM
Seems like most Steelers fans hate the idea of drafting Cherilus at 23. I wouldn't be upset if the draft played out something like this:

1.23 Gosder Cherilus OT
2.53 Dre Moore DE
3.88 Jack Ikegwuonu/Orlando Scandrick CB
4.123 Marcus Smith WR
5.156 Darrell Robertson OLB
6.188 Robert Felton OG


Thoughts? I know most would disagree with me.

SCSteeler
04-21-2008, 12:31 AM
Seems like most Steelers fans hate the idea of drafting Cherilus at 23. I wouldn't be upset if the draft played out something like this:

1.23 Gosder Cherilus OT
2.53 Dre Moore DE
3.88 Jack Ikegwuonu/Orlando Scandrick CB
4.123 Marcus Smith WR
5.156 Darrell Robertson OLB
6.188 Robert Felton OG


Thoughts? I know most would disagree with me.

i like it! M. Smith sounds great, i just wish he were 3 inches taller!
i really want Ikegwuonu: our corners have needed help since Carnell Lake and Woodson got old! I hate getting beat by the long ball, and even though it only happened a couple times last year, it still happened at the wrong times!

brat316
04-21-2008, 12:36 AM
Does anyone else think Jack will be around untill the 4th. He has two knee injuries. You don't want to pull the trigger two quick, but you don't want to lose someone good, like Antonio Cromortie because he had two kness injuries. I think he was what a 5th round before I think he moved to the 4th.

Just saying 3rd is kind of high for him, unless you want be aggrissive.

Unbiased
04-21-2008, 12:42 AM
Does anyone else think Jack will be around untill the 4th. He has two knee injuries. You don't want to pull the trigger two quick, but you don't want to lose someone good, like Antonio Cromortie because he had two kness injuries. I think he was what a 5th round before I think he moved to the 4th.

Just saying 3rd is kind of high for him, unless you want be aggrissive.

You have a solid point. And Scandrick might also be available at our pick in the 4th round, but you're exactly right; I'm being aggressive with the pick. The Steelers are obviously targeting Scandrick and he's rising for most teams. Also, it's kind of tricky to figure out where Ike will be picked. I believe someone will pull the trigger in the late 3rd, so if we want him, we'd have to slightly reach.

mikehop05
04-21-2008, 01:26 AM
Seems like most Steelers fans hate the idea of drafting Cherilus at 23. I wouldn't be upset if the draft played out something like this:

1.23 Gosder Cherilus OT
2.53 Dre Moore DE
3.88 Jack Ikegwuonu/Orlando Scandrick CB
4.123 Marcus Smith WR
5.156 Darrell Robertson OLB
6.188 Robert Felton OG


Thoughts? I know most would disagree with me.

I don't mind this mock

I guess I am going to have to live with the Gosder pick... it seems everyone and their mother has him going to us, I really hope he doesn't but I may just have to deal with it.

SCSteeler
04-21-2008, 03:13 AM
Colbert said this is the deepest draft class for tackles in 24 years... I am pretty sure we can find a quality offensive lineman later than the first.

i'm starting to agree with this.
we could still go for Groves and get Rachal in the 2nd?
what's messin me up is whether we'll go for a tackle or a guard?
our O-line is starting to get crowded.

what are the chances of us goin DL, CB, WR, OLB, S and waiting till next year to get OL help? till we see who on the line, this year, pans out?

Jakey
04-21-2008, 03:31 AM
Im gonna do a quick mock in a mo...should be up in 10 mins or so! :p

Jakey
04-21-2008, 03:54 AM
Quick Mockage!!!

1: Quentin Groves - OLB - Auburn
2: Justin King - CB - Penn St
3: Duane Brown - LT - Virginia Tech
4: Kendall Langford - DE - Hampton
5: Kerry Brown - OG - Appalachian St
6: Adarius Bowman - WR - Oklahoma St


What d'ya reckonz??? :)

EDIT:

QB: Ben Roethlisberger - Charlie Batch - Jared Zebransky
FB: Carey Davis
RB: Willie Parker - Gary Russell - Mewelde Moore - Najeh Davenport
TE: Heath Miller - Matt Spaeth - Jon Dekker/Cody Boyd/UDFA
WR: Hines Ward - Nate Washington - Adarius Bowman
WR: Santonio Holmes - Dallas Baker - Willie Reid/UDFA etc...
LT: Marvel Smith - Duane Brown - Trai Essex
LG: Kendall Simmons - Kerry Brown - Sean Mahan
C: Justin Hartwig - Sean Mahan - Darnell Stapleton
RG: Chris Kemoeatu - Willie Colon - Sean Mahan
RT: Max Starks - Willie Colon - Jason Capizzi

...

DE: Brett Keisel - Kendall Langford - Travis Kirsckhe
NT: Casey Hampton - Chris Hoke
DE: Aaron Smith - Ryan McBean - Nick Eason
OLB: James Harrison - Quentin Groves - Andre Frazier
ILB: Lawrence Timmons - Larry Foote
ILB: James Farrior - Larry Foote
OLB: Lamarr Woodley - Quentin Groves - Arnold Harrison
CB: Ike Taylor - Bryant McFadden - William Cool
CB: Deshea Townsend - Justin King - William Cool
FS: Anthony Smith - Ryan Clark
SS: Troy Polamalu - Tyrone Carter

FatJJ44
04-21-2008, 04:27 AM
It seems alright but i dont like the idea of them drafting king. He just never played to the level he could. Everytime I see his name I just think of the Indiana game and James Hardy's 16 catches ( I think)

Jakey
04-21-2008, 05:19 AM
He's not my fave CB either...i would personally prefer Brandon Flowers or Charles Godfrey...but i know Tomlin is very high on King...thats why i sided for him.

DeathbyStat
04-21-2008, 08:09 AM
Seems like most Steelers fans hate the idea of drafting Cherilus at 23. I wouldn't be upset if the draft played out something like this:

1.23 Gosder Cherilus OT
2.53 Dre Moore DE
3.88 Jack Ikegwuonu/Orlando Scandrick CB
4.123 Marcus Smith WR
5.156 Darrell Robertson OLB
6.188 Robert Felton OG


Thoughts? I know most would disagree with me.

I don't hate the Cherilus pick but i just think we need a a pure left tackle to replace Marvel

DeathbyStat
04-21-2008, 08:13 AM
+ marks on the guys I like.

-on the guys I don't like




1. DE Dre Moore - Maryland+
2. DE Red Bryant - Texas A&M-
3. DE Jason Jones - E. Mich-
4. DE Kendall Langford - Hampton+
5. OLB Quentin Groves - Auburn+
6. OLB Shawn Crable - Michigan+
7. OLB Bryan Smith - McNeese State-
8. OLB Cliff Avril - Purdue-
9. ILB Jerod Mayo - Tennessee-
10. ILB Phil Wheeler - Ga Tech+
11. S/KR Matthew Slater - UCLA+
12. CB Aqib Talib - Kansas-
13. CB Charles Godfrey - Iowa+
14. CB Tracy Porter - Indiana+
15. CB Antwaun Molden - Eastern Kentucky+
16. CB Orlando Scandrick - Boise State+
17. CB Mike Jenkins - South Florida+
18. FB Brandon McAnderson - Kansas+
19. RB Ryan Torain - Arizona State-
20. RB Jonathan Stewart - Oregon-
21. RB Chris Johnson - East Carolina+
22. RB Jehuu Caulcrick - Michigan St+
23. OT Gosder Cherilus - Boston College-
24. OG Branden Albert - Virginia+
25. WR James Hardy - Indiana-
26. WR Malcolm Kelly - Oklahoma-
27. WR Pierre Garcon - Mount Union?
28. WR/QB Dennis Dixon - Oregon+
29. WR Mario Urrutia - Louisville+
30. WR Jerome Simpson - Costal Carolina+

Also, 4 "local" Pitt players that dont count against the 30.
29. OT Jeff Otah - Pitt-
30. OG Mike McGlynn - Pitt+
31. FS Ryan Mundy - WVU-
32. DE Keilen Dykes - WVU+

Hines
04-21-2008, 08:24 AM
I wouldnt mind a draft liek this:

1. Gosder Cherlius OT
2. Antwaun Molden CB
3. Jerome Simpson WR
4. Carlton Powell DE
5. Gary Guyton LB
6. Ryan Torrain or Jehuu Caulcrick


I would also look at Jerome Messam from Graceland (IA). Could be a faster Jerome, we could pick him in the sixth or maybe even pick him up as an UDFA.

steel man
04-21-2008, 08:33 AM
this is good to know before the draft and may help decide how we draft

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3354694

steelernation77
04-21-2008, 10:22 AM
this is good to know before the draft and may help decide how we draft

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3354694

Yeah, I already posted it. Apparently everyone would just rather make hypothetical mocks than discuss real draft impacting news.

mikehop05
04-21-2008, 11:29 AM
Yeah, I already posted it. Apparently everyone would just rather make hypothetical mocks than discuss real draft impacting news.

At this point I feel like we have 4 legit starting tackles.

Colon can only play right.
Smith and Starks are making LT bucks, but only one of them will play LT.
Essex is a quality backup.

Unless a higher tier tackle falls, and IMO the only one who I would take would be Chris Williams. Everyone else I feel would only be able to play RT, and honestly we do not need another RT.

Jakey
04-21-2008, 11:30 AM
I believe Otah can still play LT...and Sam Baker is a pure LT IMO.

ryanrayne
04-21-2008, 12:14 PM
I have a question about the Starks deal. With the transition tender signed..I know that he is guaranteed that money NO MATTER, even if he is cut. My question......

Can the Steelers sign Starks to a longer contract to somehow lessen the impact of the 1 year 6.8 million? Make it more cap friendly somehow? Or will he still be required by the transition rule to be paid 6.8 million in year ONE of any longer contract?

Jakey
04-21-2008, 12:49 PM
^ Yes, im sure thats what they want.

SCSteeler
04-21-2008, 01:05 PM
Quick Mockage!!!

1: Quentin Groves - OLB - Auburn
2: Justin King - CB - Penn St
3: Duane Brown - LT - Virginia Tech
4: Kendall Langford - DE - Hampton
5: Kerry Brown - OG - Appalachian St
6: Adarius Bowman - WR - Oklahoma St


What d'ya reckonz??? :)

EDIT:

QB: Ben Roethlisberger - Charlie Batch - Jared Zebransky
FB: Carey Davis
RB: Willie Parker - Gary Russell - Mewelde Moore - Najeh Davenport
TE: Heath Miller - Matt Spaeth - Jon Dekker/Cody Boyd/UDFA
WR: Hines Ward - Nate Washington - Adarius Bowman
WR: Santonio Holmes - Dallas Baker - Willie Reid/UDFA etc...
LT: Marvel Smith - Duane Brown - Trai Essex
LG: Kendall Simmons - Kerry Brown - Sean Mahan
C: Justin Hartwig - Sean Mahan - Darnell Stapleton
RG: Chris Kemoeatu - Willie Colon - Sean Mahan
RT: Max Starks - Willie Colon - Jason Capizzi

...

DE: Brett Keisel - Kendall Langford - Travis Kirsckhe
NT: Casey Hampton - Chris Hoke
DE: Aaron Smith - Ryan McBean - Nick Eason
OLB: James Harrison - Quentin Groves - Andre Frazier
ILB: Lawrence Timmons - Larry Foote
ILB: James Farrior - Larry Foote
OLB: Lamarr Woodley - Quentin Groves - Arnold Harrison
CB: Ike Taylor - Bryant McFadden - William Cool
CB: Deshea Townsend - Justin King - William Cool
FS: Anthony Smith - Ryan Clark
SS: Troy Polamalu - Tyrone Carter


I like this mock! 1st one i've seen that has us getting good picks in 4 rounds. most have us getting 2 maybe 3 guys that can contribute right away. i think King could be just what we need, IF Tomlin can teach him the skills you all say he's lacking? plus i'm a sucker for PSU players!

could Langford really last till the 4th, though?
and does anyone think we need to focus on a Fullback? i thought Carey Davis did a great job as a versatile FB, but can he put Merriman on his keister?
how 'bout one of those 280lb FB's? lol!

ryanrayne
04-21-2008, 01:09 PM
I posed my question to Scott Brown of the Tribune-Review . His answer:

Ryan,

They are trying to work toward a contract extension and if one is reached it would overrule if you will the one-year offer Max just signed. Essentially it is like Ben: the new contract he signed simply replaced the old one. Hope that helps.


Scott

Unbiased
04-21-2008, 01:16 PM
this is good to know before the draft and may help decide how we draft

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3354694

I'd feel much more comfortable paying Starks like that as a backup LT instead of a backup RT.

LT: Smith - Starks
LG: Chris Kemoeatu
C: Sean Mahan - Justin Hartwig
RG: Kendall Simmons
RT: Colon - Essex

Mahan and Colon could play guard, but I hate putting starters as backups to other spots on the line. We could pass on an OT until next year. Assuming Smith is gone after '08 Starks takes over for him and we draft a future LT early. As for this draft, guard depth seems to be the biggest concern. If we can get Rachal to fall to 53, great or go for Schueing.

steel man
04-21-2008, 02:20 PM
here is a mock, tell me what you think....

1) Quentin Groves - OLB
2) Chilo Rachal - OG
3) Jordy Nelson - WR
4) King Dunlap - OT
5) Owen Schmitt - FB
6) Johnny Dingle - DE

steel man
04-21-2008, 02:25 PM
Quick Mockage!!!

1: Quentin Groves - OLB - Auburn
2: Justin King - CB - Penn St
3: Duane Brown - LT - Virginia Tech
4: Kendall Langford - DE - Hampton
5: Kerry Brown - OG - Appalachian St
6: Adarius Bowman - WR - Oklahoma St


What d'ya reckonz??? :)

EDIT:

QB: Ben Roethlisberger - Charlie Batch - Jared Zebransky
FB: Carey Davis
RB: Willie Parker - Gary Russell - Mewelde Moore - Najeh Davenport
TE: Heath Miller - Matt Spaeth - Jon Dekker/Cody Boyd/UDFA
WR: Hines Ward - Nate Washington - Adarius Bowman
WR: Santonio Holmes - Dallas Baker - Willie Reid/UDFA etc...
LT: Marvel Smith - Duane Brown - Trai Essex
LG: Kendall Simmons - Kerry Brown - Sean Mahan
C: Justin Hartwig - Sean Mahan - Darnell Stapleton
RG: Chris Kemoeatu - Willie Colon - Sean Mahan
RT: Max Starks - Willie Colon - Jason Capizzi

...

DE: Brett Keisel - Kendall Langford - Travis Kirsckhe
NT: Casey Hampton - Chris Hoke
DE: Aaron Smith - Ryan McBean - Nick Eason
OLB: James Harrison - Quentin Groves - Andre Frazier
ILB: Lawrence Timmons - Larry Foote
ILB: James Farrior - Larry Foote
OLB: Lamarr Woodley - Quentin Groves - Arnold Harrison
CB: Ike Taylor - Bryant McFadden - William Cool
CB: Deshea Townsend - Justin King - William Cool
FS: Anthony Smith - Ryan Clark
SS: Troy Polamalu - Tyrone Carter

do you really think that Bowman will fall to the 6th rd(i guess you do or you would not have picked him there...lol), if he does you can not go wrong taking him there. i would like that if he did.

steel man
04-21-2008, 02:31 PM
i think that we are really trying to move our 1st after reading this
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/breaking/s_563550.html

Unbiased
04-21-2008, 02:33 PM
here is a mock, tell me what you think....

1) Quentin Groves - OLB
2) Chilo Rachal - OG
3) Jordy Nelson - WR
4) King Dunlap - OT
5) Owen Schmitt - FB
6) Johnny Dingle - DE

1st 3 are ideal. Last 3 are not good, in my opinion. Dunlap is just horrible and was benched for a true freshman. He will not pan out in the NFL. I wouldn't touch FB until after the draft. Dingle actually isn't a bad pick in the 6th round, but I think DE needs to be addressed earlier.

Unbiased
04-21-2008, 02:34 PM
i think that we are really trying to move our 1st after reading this
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/breaking/s_563550.html

Would be awesome to get someone's 2nd and get both Rachal and Dre Moore.

Hines
04-21-2008, 02:38 PM
My scenerio is draft Gosder then have him start Day 1 at RT. Have Starks and Smith battle it out at LT and whoever wins and plays the best, gets the contract extension..

Unbiased
04-21-2008, 02:39 PM
My scenerio is draft Gosder then have him start Day 1 at RT. Have Starks and Smith battle it out at LT and whoever wins and plays the best, gets the contract extension..

What about Colon? Move him inside over Kemoatu?

Hines
04-21-2008, 02:43 PM
What about Colon? Move him inside over Kemoatu?

Yes move Colon inside. I like Kemo and would like to see what he can do, but if what I read is correct, Colon would be better inside then Kemo. We could always put Kendall on the bench if he is still going to play like a vagina.

Strongside
04-21-2008, 02:47 PM
What do you think of this one?

We trade our first and fourth draft picks to get Washington's first and leap frog Dallas.

1: Mike Jenkins CB
2: Chilo Rachel G
3: Kendall Langford DE
5: Mario Urratio WR
6: Bryan Smith LB

O:

QB: Ben Roethlisberger - Charlie Batch - Jared Zebransky
RB: Willie Parker - Najeh Davenport - Gary Russell - Mewelde Moore
FB: Carey Davis
TE: Heath Miller - Matt Spaeth - Jon Dekker
WR: Hines Ward - Nate Washington - Mario Urratio
WR: Santonio Holmes - Dallas Baker - Jeremy Bloom
LT: Marvel Smith - Trai Essex
LG: Kendall Simmons - Chilo Rachel
C: Justin Hartwig - Sean Mahan - Darnell Stapleton
RG: Chris Kemoeatu/Chilo Rachel - Willie Colon
RT: Max Starks/Willie Colon - Jason Capizzi

D:

DE: Brett Keisel - Kendall Langford - Travis Kirsckhe
NT: Casey Hampton - Chris Hoke
DE: Aaron Smith - Ryan McBean - Nick Eason
OLB: James Harrison - Bryan Smith - Andre Frazier
ILB: Larry Foote/Lawrence Timmons
ILB: James Farrior/Lawrence Timmons
OLB: Lamarr Woodley - Bryan Smith - Arnold Harrison
CB: Ike Taylor - Bryant McFadden
CB: Mike Jenkins - William G.ay - Deshea Townsend
FS: Deshea Townsend - Anthony Smith - Ryan Clark
SS: Troy Polamalu - Tyrone Carter

ST

K: Jeff Reed
P: Dan Sepulveda
KR/PR: Jeremy Bloom/Mewelde Moore
LS: Greg Warren

steel man
04-21-2008, 02:49 PM
if we draft Gosder, have Starks/smith at LT like Hines said and then put Kemo and Colon at the guards. could either one play LG?

steel man
04-21-2008, 02:58 PM
1st 3 are ideal. Last 3 are not good, in my opinion. Dunlap is just horrible and was benched for a true freshman. He will not pan out in the NFL. I wouldn't touch FB until after the draft. Dingle actually isn't a bad pick in the 6th round, but I think DE needs to be addressed earlier.

i just do not want to pass on Schmitt. he would help on blocking and with our o-line we could use it. he could be the best short yardage back in the NFL and he would be the pro bowl rep for years to come. that would help us get back to our smash mouth running game plus have Willie, when we had that is when we won the super bowl. as far as King goes i did not know much but seeing his size and reading a scouting report on him i thought he would be good, he could be replaced with Anthony Collins, or Oneil Cousins.

what about:

1) Quentin Groves - OLB
2) Chilo Rachal - OG
3) Jordy Nelson - WR
4) Anthony Collins- OT
5) Owen Schmitt - FB
6) Johnny Dingle - DE

Unbiased
04-21-2008, 03:08 PM
i just do not want to pass on Schmitt. he would help on blocking and with our o-line we could use it. he could be the best short yardage back in the NFL and he would be the pro bowl rep for years to come. that would help us get back to our smash mouth running game plus have Willie, when we had that is when we won the super bowl. as far as King goes i did not know much but seeing his size and reading a scouting report on him i thought he would be good, he could be replaced with Anthony Collins, or Oneil Cousins.

what about:

1) Quentin Groves - OLB
2) Chilo Rachal - OG
3) Jordy Nelson - WR
4) Anthony Collins- OT
5) Owen Schmitt - FB
6) Johnny Dingle - DE

Are you a WVU fan?

Strongside
04-21-2008, 03:08 PM
Could this mean Groves? (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_563435.html)


Steelers coach Mike Tomlin left no doubt what he wants.

"Great pass rusher -- because the ball never comes out," Tomlin told reporters at the recent NFL owners meetings in Florida.

The Steelers recorded 36 sacks in 2007. Tomlin wants and expects more sacks in 2008.

Unbiased
04-21-2008, 03:16 PM
Could this mean Groves? (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_563435.html)

I think it means DE. Not enough value at 23 though. That's why I would love to trade down to the 2nd to take Rachal and Moore.

Hines
04-21-2008, 03:18 PM
if we draft Gosder, have Starks/smith at LT like Hines said and then put Kemo and Colon at the guards. could either one play LG?

I think they both can. If not, have Simmons play LG and Colon and Kemo play RG.

SCSteeler
04-21-2008, 03:42 PM
Man, i'm freakin out over here!
less then a week and I can't decide whats gonna happen!
i don't even know what i want anymore?
1st i thought OL/DL were our biggest needs, but i don't wanna miss out on a good CB?
now i'm starting to think we wait till next year to get a Oline Tackle and go for DL,WR,CB,OLB?

i feel like we have 20 capable Olineman and no shutdown corners!
i'm tired of watching all my favorites go to our rivals!
and how in the heck(is hell a bad word around here?) did Baltimore and Cincy get xtra pick in the good rounds?

Because we're the Pittsburgh Steelers! and we can take it!
we should all be happy we're not Raider fans!

mikehop05
04-21-2008, 04:04 PM
My scenerio is draft Gosder then have him start Day 1 at RT. Have Starks and Smith battle it out at LT and whoever wins and plays the best, gets the contract extension..

The thing is, is Gosder is no better than Starks Smith and is on par with Colon at RT, Gosder is a bum, the whole conception of him being a mauler isn't really true... people just say that because he looks like one, I would never draft him.

I like Anthony Collins later, or Tony Hills or Duane Brown more than I like Gosder.

brat316
04-21-2008, 04:20 PM
Lets be serious here, Mahan is going to suck at guard, and next year he should be gone. Simmons will get beat by Kemo but they won't give him the job untill next year. So to plan for Mahan leaving we take Chilo Rachel to play LG.

Next year we can find a tackle. We have three guys who are capable of playing. Smith can play if he comes back. Collin took Starks' job for a reason because he had to be better then him. So its Starks and Smith at LT, if Smith is injured we have or transition player in Starks. If Smith is good to go then Starks can warm a bench. Next year comes we draft a LT.
The contract goes to who ever wants to stay for the cheapest, Smith would be 31 or so and more prone to injuries so can't give him a long term deal. And Starks well he can't prove that he is really really good. So he gets a short deal as well, who ever signs for the cheapest gets to stay.

Also best case Smith start at LT, gets injured and Starks dominates LT. We keep Starks, and draft a backup T for next year and address some other place like the DL the position we won't probably address this year. And by that i mean if we go DE this year we go DT next year or vice versa.

Hines
04-21-2008, 04:39 PM
The thing is, is Gosder is no better than Starks Smith and is on par with Colon at RT, Gosder is a bum, the whole conception of him being a mauler isn't really true... people just say that because he looks like one, I would never draft him.

I like Anthony Collins later, or Tony Hills or Duane Brown more than I like Gosder.

Cherlius woudl be a top 15 pick if he could play LT. That is the only knock on him.

DeathbyStat
04-21-2008, 05:16 PM
I believe Otah can still play LT...and Sam Baker is a pure LT IMO.


Except Baker's short arms and problem with speed rushers he may be better suited for guard.

DeathbyStat
04-21-2008, 05:17 PM
The thing is, is Gosder is no better than Starks Smith and is on par with Colon at RT, Gosder is a bum, the whole conception of him being a mauler isn't really true... people just say that because he looks like one, I would never draft him.

I like Anthony Collins later, or Tony Hills or Duane Brown more than I like Gosder.

The Little i've seen of Collins i've liked very much

Unbiased
04-21-2008, 05:21 PM
Lets be serious here, Mahan is going to suck at guard, and next year he should be gone. Simmons will get beat by Kemo but they won't give him the job untill next year. So to plan for Mahan leaving we take Chilo Rachel to play LG.

Next year we can find a tackle. We have three guys who are capable of playing. Smith can play if he comes back. Collin took Starks' job for a reason because he had to be better then him. So its Starks and Smith at LT, if Smith is injured we have or transition player in Starks. If Smith is good to go then Starks can warm a bench. Next year comes we draft a LT.
The contract goes to who ever wants to stay for the cheapest, Smith would be 31 or so and more prone to injuries so can't give him a long term deal. And Starks well he can't prove that he is really really good. So he gets a short deal as well, who ever signs for the cheapest gets to stay.

Also best case Smith start at LT, gets injured and Starks dominates LT. We keep Starks, and draft a backup T for next year and address some other place like the DL the position we won't probably address this year. And by that i mean if we go DE this year we go DT next year or vice versa.

I agree. I think we look guard this year and tackle next year.

mikehop05
04-21-2008, 05:54 PM
Cherlius woudl be a top 15 pick if he could play LT. That is the only knock on him.

hahah listen to yourself...

why can't he play LT?

because he isn't quick enough, his footwork sucks, he gets beat all the time by anyone that can run faster than 5.0,

that little 'if' you put in there is a HUGE IF.

mikehop05
04-21-2008, 05:59 PM
The Little i've seen of Collins i've liked very much

he is a great athlete for a lineman, he seems like he could develop into a great LT

steel man
04-21-2008, 09:13 PM
Are you a WVU fan?

YES i am, but most of all i am an Owen Schmitt fan. i just hate to pass on a "true football player" he gives 100%, all heart, is good and is the best player at his pos. you do not find players like him every year and i know hw would open up holes for Parker and help cover Ben's butt, because he is a great blocker and he would be great on special teams. a lot of you talk about getting a WR mostly for ST(returner) and as a back up and the guy i want to draft could be a monster on ST and be a starter. he is Steelers football and we need him. by the way a season ticket holder for WVU...lol......but you do not hear me wanting Slaton do you so i am mostly a Owen fan

steel man
04-21-2008, 09:14 PM
he is a great athlete for a lineman, he seems like he could develop into a great LT

did you see my mock earlier, here it is . what do you think

1) Quentin Groves - OLB
2) Chilo Rachal - OG
3) Jordy Nelson - WR
4) Anthony Collins- OT
5) Owen Schmitt - FB
6) Johnny Dingle - DE

SCSteeler
04-21-2008, 10:38 PM
did you see my mock earlier, here it is . what do you think

1) Quentin Groves - OLB
2) Chilo Rachal - OG
3) Jordy Nelson - WR
4) Anthony Collins- OT
5) Owen Schmitt - FB
6) Johnny Dingle - DE

this mock is SICK!(on the west coast that means good!)

but what free agent CB's are there if we don't draft one?
what if we subbed Ikegwuonu for Collins in the 4th(if he's there)?
that's my only knock on this draft, but good freakin job!!!
i want Schmitt sooo bad!

Mitu
04-21-2008, 11:05 PM
did you see my mock earlier, here it is . what do you think

1) Quentin Groves - OLB
2) Chilo Rachal - OG
3) Jordy Nelson - WR
4) Anthony Collins- OT
5) Owen Schmitt - FB
6) Johnny Dingle - DE

Im liking Rachal, Nelson, and Schmitt but is OLB really as pressing a need as DE? I guess you could that the value wouldnt be there at 23, but perhaps Balmer and slide him to DE? Also, I'm thinking maybe a CB in Rd. 4. Do you think Schmitt will still be available in Rd. 5?

brat316
04-22-2008, 07:46 AM
Balmer doesn't look like a DE for the 3-4. Look at this guy a 3-4 end and Balmer.



http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20071211/capt.sge.jfb79.111207222627.photo00.photo.default-458x512.jpg

http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper885/stills/my6e1801.jpg

mikehop05
04-22-2008, 10:41 AM
did you see my mock earlier, here it is . what do you think

1) Quentin Groves - OLB
2) Chilo Rachal - OG
3) Jordy Nelson - WR
4) Anthony Collins- OT
5) Owen Schmitt - FB
6) Johnny Dingle - DE

I really like it but I do not see Collins lasting until then, but everything else looks on par with value and need for us

steelernation77
04-22-2008, 10:55 AM
Balmer doesn't look like a DE for the 3-4. Look at this guy a 3-4 end and Balmer.



http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20071211/capt.sge.jfb79.111207222627.photo00.photo.default-458x512.jpg

http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper885/stills/my6e1801.jpg

They're roughly the same height/weight.

Jakey
04-22-2008, 10:56 AM
Balmer is actually heavier...Smith is around 300-305lbs, Balmer is around 308-310lbs. And they are the same hight.

brat316
04-22-2008, 10:57 AM
yeah but their body fat and BMI are completely different

Jakey
04-22-2008, 10:59 AM
^ Which is why Balmer would be perfect fit for the weakside in a 3-4...he is strong/big ebough to hold the POA, but athletic and quick enough to put some pressure on.

brat316
04-22-2008, 11:01 AM
guess i never thought about it like that. When I think 3-4 I think 1 super fat guy. And 2 guys who are a little less fatter and little more athletic enough to put pressure and push back guys. Also big enough to eat up space or take on double teams.

mikehop05
04-22-2008, 11:02 AM
^ Which is why Balmer would be perfect fit for the weakside in a 3-4...he is strong/big ebough to hold the POA, but athletic and quick enough to put some pressure on.

there is no weakside in our front 3 really,

all pretty much act as stout point of attack guys, and they try to get penetration at time when they think they can make plays... otherwise their job is to string out the play

it would be a waste for us to pick a round 1 DE for our 3-4, when we can get one that will preform just as good / how we want him to in the 2nd round down.

Jakey
04-22-2008, 11:04 AM
I agree really, i think the difference between strong and weak side is a lil overrated in a 3-4 front...at the minute Brett Keisel is on the wekside, and he is around 290lbs.

But when Kemo was here he played the weakside, but was actually heavier than Smith at 308lbs.

So i guess it doesnt really matter what weight they play at as long as they are effective...which Keisel wasnt really IMO.

mikehop05
04-22-2008, 11:08 AM
yeah i dont think keisel is the answer there, but i just dont think the need is THAT great to addressee it in round one with Balmer, who i don't personally like as a prospect, or anyone

I think guys we can get in rounds 2 - 4, moore, langford, bryant, jones or later with people such as dykes or the other hampton kid

Jakey
04-22-2008, 11:18 AM
^ I like all of them as prospects...especially, Moore, Bryant and Langford!

DeathbyStat
04-22-2008, 11:50 AM
I think it means DE. Not enough value at 23 though. That's why I would love to trade down to the 2nd to take Rachal and Moore.

Our D-ends don't rack up sacks they hold the point of attack

Unbiased
04-22-2008, 12:03 PM
Our D-ends don't rack up sacks they hold the point of attack

The title of that article even suggests improving the D-line.

Santonio10
04-22-2008, 05:58 PM
I like Bryant and Moore. I think Bryant could be an animal so i like him a little more. I haven't seen too much of Moore but i've heard a lot of good things about him.

Unbiased
04-22-2008, 06:14 PM
I like Bryant and Moore. I think Bryant could be an animal so i like him a little more. I haven't seen too much of Moore but i've heard a lot of good things about him.

I like them both as well. Only thing is both have to be picked in the 2nd round but we need guard help more than DE. Besides reaching for Rachal in round 1, maybe take Bryant or Moore in round 2 and take Shueing or Greco if available.

SCSteeler
04-22-2008, 07:32 PM
does anyone know if we've been contacted for a trade possibility?
i'm starting to want out of the 1st round and want an xtra 2nd and 3rd!
anyone see this happening?
chilo rachal
red bryant
jordy nelson
jerome simpson
jack ikegwuonu
justin king
kendall langford
mike mcglynn
carl nicks
owen schmitt
ray rice
matt forte

ALL these guys could be had in the 2nd-4th rounds!!!!

Santonio10
04-22-2008, 07:39 PM
I like them both as well. Only thing is both have to be picked in the 2nd round but we need guard help more than DE. Besides reaching for Rachal in round 1, maybe take Bryant or Moore in round 2 and take Shueing or Greco if available.

Yeah i agree, they're both definately second rounders and i think we'll only get one of the two if we get Cherilus or any other O-lineman in the first, because if not i think we go with Rachal in the second.

Unbiased
04-22-2008, 07:47 PM
does anyone know if we've been contacted for a trade possibility?
i'm starting to want out of the 1st round and want an xtra 2nd and 3rd!
anyone see this happening?
chilo rachal
red bryant
jordy nelson
jerome simpson
jack ikegwuonu
justin king
kendall langford
mike mcglynn
carl nicks
owen schmitt
ray rice
matt forte

ALL these guys could be had in the 2nd-4th rounds!!!!

I agree. Most of the guys we are targeting near the top are projected in rounds 2 and 3. I wouldn't feel comfortable taking an OL or DL in the 1st round.

steel man
04-22-2008, 10:11 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3361271

with this happening i think Stewart will be gone by our pick. on another note do you think he will cost to much and do you think he would be worth looking at . also do you guys think we will take a look at him.

mikehop05
04-22-2008, 10:20 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3361271

with this happening i think Stewart will be gone by our pick. on another note do you think he will cost to much and do you think he would be worth looking at . also do you guys think we will take a look at him.

the seahawks pick after us

brat316
04-22-2008, 10:21 PM
I don't know all about that now, I think they might have some other concerns I don't know what they are.

Don't go after Alexander he is a bum.

ryanrayne
04-22-2008, 10:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SCSteeler
does anyone know if we've been contacted for a trade possibility?
i'm starting to want out of the 1st round and want an xtra 2nd and 3rd!
anyone see this happening?
chilo rachal
red bryant
jordy nelson
jerome simpson
jack ikegwuonu
justin king
kendall langford
mike mcglynn
carl nicks
owen schmitt
ray rice
matt forte

ALL these guys could be had in the 2nd-4th rounds!!!!
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I'm beginning to like this idea more and more as well...

Don't care for Justin King very much..maybe insert CB/S Orlando Scandrick out of Boise State for 5th-6th...4.49 speed

Mitu
04-22-2008, 11:45 PM
I agree. Most of the guys we are targeting near the top are projected in rounds 2 and 3. I wouldn't feel comfortable taking an OL or DL in the 1st round.

If not OL or DL, then are you suggesting WR or CB? Groves seems to be a trendy pick around here, but, again, with Harrison still playing well and Woodley coming into his own, I dont see an immediate need at OLB?

Unbiased
04-22-2008, 11:55 PM
If not OL or DL, then are you suggesting WR or CB? Groves seems to be a trendy pick around here, but, again, with Harrison still playing well and Woodley coming into his own, I dont see an immediate need at OLB?

If I had to guess, I'd say we'd take Groves. But I'd prefer that we would take Limas Sweed.

Here are my two mocks with a potential trade and without:

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21404

SCSteeler
04-22-2008, 11:57 PM
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I'm beginning to like this idea more and more as well...

Don't care for Justin King very much..maybe insert CB/S Orlando Scandrick out of Boise State for 5th-6th...4.49 speed[/QUOTE]

i forgot about Scandrick! good point!

SCSteeler
04-23-2008, 12:01 AM
If I had to guess, I'd say we'd take Groves. But I'd prefer that we would take Limas Sweed.

Here are my two mocks with a potential trade and without:

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21404


if we don't trade, i'd be happy with either Sweed or Groves!
just no Gosder!

Mr. Stiller
04-23-2008, 01:36 AM
I think the Steelers FO wants to trade down, very very badly.

With KC now having 2 1sts, and Atlanta with 3 seconds.. I could see someoen coming back up with us. Almost in a trade battle. I'm not thinking we'll get "Huge" Compensation..

But I think Atlanta and KC could battle each other for that #23 pick.

KC would be their 2nd and 3rd, same with ATL...

But if one decided to get desperate, who knows what we could get.. it seems like almost everyone ahead of us is "Fixed" in their spot (IE wants a player that will be there)

Colbert in a pre-draft conference said nearly 3 times that he wants to trade down.

Atlanta vs. KC Trading back up for that QB.. Atlanta has more firepower, but who knows. I honestly think we'll see a trade come draft day.

Mr. Stiller
04-23-2008, 01:39 AM
I agree really, i think the difference between strong and weak side is a lil overrated in a 3-4 front...at the minute Brett Keisel is on the wekside, and he is around 290lbs.

But when Kemo was here he played the weakside, but was actually heavier than Smith at 308lbs.

So i guess it doesnt really matter what weight they play at as long as they are effective...which Keisel wasnt really IMO.

From what I read, the Steelers aren't interested in Balmer because they dont' think he's fast/athletic enough to play the "Weakside" DE position.

Look at the guys they brought in..

Langford, Bryant, Moore, Dykes, Foster....

All 5 of these guys (Sans Dykes) ran a sub 5.00 40', and Dykes was only like 5.05?

I think they want guys that are not only "Big" and can play physical run stopping, but have the athleticism to get after the passer.

Also, don't forget Phil Merling, I know he popped positive twice at Clemson, I don't know for what. But If we trade down, and he or Groves falls they could definitely be candidates.

Hines
04-23-2008, 05:59 PM
Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette is confident that the Steelers would take Jonathan Stewart at No. 23 overall if he's available.

Bouchette says the team has medically cleared Stewart, who underwent toe surgery in mid-March. The Steelers reportedly believed Stewart might need to be limited in training camp, but would be 100% by the start of the season.


I would love this.

Hines
04-23-2008, 06:01 PM
As there is three days left till the draft, I think it is clear that I think these three will be the Steelers pick:

Quentin Groves
Gosder Cherlius
Johnathon Stewert

One of those three I would love. If Sweed is there, I think we take a long hard look. If we trade down, I can see a Hardy-Rachal disscusion.

Mr. Stiller
04-23-2008, 06:10 PM
Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette is confident that the Steelers would take Jonathan Stewart at No. 23 overall if he's available.

Bouchette says the team has medically cleared Stewart, who underwent toe surgery in mid-March. The Steelers reportedly believed Stewart might need to be limited in training camp, but would be 100% by the start of the season.


I would love this.

I don't think Bouchette knows his... from a hole...

I honest to god don't believe Stewart to Pittsburgh. It makes 0 sense. I believe Colbert/Tomlin want to trade down terribly bad.

I am really feeling we'll be drafting Dre Moore... even possibly in round 1 if we can't get a trade down.

terribletowel39
04-23-2008, 06:26 PM
I don't get why you would like the Jonathan Stewart pick. Why pick up a backup RB in the 1st round?? We already know Willie can perform. The only reason I would be remotely okay with this, is if reports come out, that Willie will be effected by the break forever. He will never get back to 100%, then I am okay with it, but I haven't heard any of that. So yea...I'm not real down with wasting a #23 pick on a backup.

brat316
04-23-2008, 06:32 PM
In the start of the year Colbert did say they were looking at Rbs and if one fell to them in the first they wouldn't be afraid to take him. Willie was doing great when he was splitting carries.

Also I read this was a day or 2 ago that Colbert said in other years would trade up but this year with only 5 picks or so he wants to move down. I think he does what the eagles did move to the top of the second and hope Stewart falls out of the first. After us does anyone need a rb so we could grab him in the second.

Hines
04-23-2008, 06:34 PM
I don't get why you would like the Jonathan Stewart pick. Why pick up a backup RB in the 1st round?? We already know Willie can perform. The only reason I would be remotely okay with this, is if reports come out, that Willie will be effected by the break forever. He will never get back to 100%, then I am okay with it, but I haven't heard any of that. So yea...I'm not real down with wasting a #23 pick on a backup.

But you would want Groves to be a backup OLB?

terribletowel39
04-23-2008, 06:41 PM
But you would want Groves to be a backup OLB?
Yea but there is a difference in drafting a guy to backup someone for a year or two and drafting someone to backup a guy for 3-5 years and then take the reigns for another 2-4 years by himself.

SCSteeler
04-23-2008, 11:28 PM
Yea but there is a difference in drafting a guy to backup someone for a year or two and drafting someone to backup a guy for 3-5 years and then take the reigns for another 2-4 years by himself.


i think a lot of it depends on if Tomlin and the FO thinks we lost games because we didn't have a short yardage back, or because of our defense?
Stewart would be a sick Steeler, but i still have faith in G.Russel and Fast Willie!
i do love big backs...you should see my wifes!

brat316
04-23-2008, 11:36 PM
Wifes' really are you a....whats that word forget it i don't want to go into it and get the thread locked. Anyways so you wife has a big back...do you mean actual back like lower back, upper back, back of sholders or are you just saying their ass.

SCSteeler
04-23-2008, 11:48 PM
Wifes' really are you a....whats that word forget it i don't want to go into it and get the thread locked. Anyways so you wife has a big back...do you mean actual back like lower back, upper back, back of sholders or are you just saying their ass.


sorry...i went to public school.

Unbiased
04-23-2008, 11:59 PM
I don't get why you would like the Jonathan Stewart pick. Why pick up a backup RB in the 1st round?? We already know Willie can perform. The only reason I would be remotely okay with this, is if reports come out, that Willie will be effected by the break forever. He will never get back to 100%, then I am okay with it, but I haven't heard any of that. So yea...I'm not real down with wasting a #23 pick on a backup.

Stewart isn't my favorite pick either, but let's be realistic here. Every possible 1st round pick would be a backup unless we trade up for Albert, or if we trade down to the very bottom of the 1st or into the second and take Moore. But he still might not start in his first year.

brat316
04-24-2008, 12:18 AM
Stewart isn't my favorite pick either, but let's be realistic here. Every possible 1st round pick would be a backup unless we trade up for Albert, or if we trade down to the very bottom of the 1st or into the second and take Moore. But he still might not start in his first year.

I am pretty sure Mr. Stiller means is we will draft a backup but by years end or next year they should be starting or competing to start. Look at Timmons, and Woodley perfect examples. Most of our picks are going to be backups other than a WR that can start in the slot.

With Stewart he wouldn't start unless Parker is injured. But thats what happens in a 2 back system. I am all for Stewart.

SCSteeler
04-24-2008, 12:34 AM
i think all the talk about getting Willie a back up, just means that we're gonna trade down and use one of the xtra picks to get a "banger"?
who?:
Forte?
Rice?
Hester?
Schmitt?
anyone see Stewart falling into the middle of round two? (i don't think so?)
i still think Russel could be more then adequite at helping relieve Willie P.

brat316
04-24-2008, 12:40 AM
Forte FTW come on

I think Rice would be good in a ZB, I think he is that one cut back doesn't have the speed, but makes that one good cut to take it the distances.

Hester and Schmitt are Fb/Goaline backs only, or H-Backs. not in favor of either unless it is like round 6.

mikehop05
04-24-2008, 12:41 AM
i think all the talk about getting Willie a back up, just means that we're gonna trade down and use one of the xtra picks to get a "banger"?
who?:
Forte?
Rice?
Hester?
Schmitt?
anyone see Stewart falling into the middle of round two? (i don't think so?)
i still think Russel could be more then adequite at helping relieve Willie P.

id be surprised if j stew falls to us personally

i like our rb's the way they are to be honest, i like gary as a change of pace back for willie, and then moore for 3rd downs

mikehop05
04-24-2008, 12:43 AM
Forte FTW come on

I think Rice would be good in a ZB, I think he is that one cut back doesn't have the speed, but makes that one good cut to take it the distances.

Hester and Schmitt are Fb/Goaline backs only, or H-Backs. not in favor of either unless it is like round 6.

i love forte but we would most likely need to spend a middle round pick on him and i think we have other needs

Jakey
04-24-2008, 07:11 AM
This is prolly the most difficult year to guess what we will do, i have seen since following the draft. The draft is only 2 days away, and i still aint got a clue which direction we will go! :eek: Last year i knew it would be Timmons in the 1st, this year i could name 5 or 6 prospects that we could potential be targeting!

Its getting intense! :p

Santonio10
04-24-2008, 10:26 AM
i love forte but we would most likely need to spend a middle round pick on him and i think we have other needs

Yeah but the thing is, you think we would be willing to use our first round pick on something we don't need, but not use one on something we dont necessarily need in the later rounds? I think it would make more sense to take a need in the first than a later pick in the draft. Forte would be a good pick up for us later in the draft because he would provide good depth, which is usually what you draft for in later rounds.

Santonio10
04-24-2008, 10:30 AM
This is prolly the most difficult year to guess what we will do, i have seen since following the draft. The draft is only 2 days away, and i still aint got a clue which direction we will go! :eek: Last year i knew it would be Timmons in the 1st, this year i could name 5 or 6 prospects that we could potential be targeting!

Its getting intense! :p

Yeah i really don't know where we're going either. We could go with the O-line and Cherilus, RB with Stewart (which im not a big fan of), WR with Sweed, Hardy, and as of recently some talk of Desean Jackson, Possibly our D-line with Kentwan Balmer (not a big fan of either), OLB with Groves so its getting kind of crazy right now. I know im excited to see what happens though! :)

The draft is on my birthday too and im gonna miss it because i have a track meet! Damn!

mikehop05
04-24-2008, 12:26 PM
Yeah but the thing is, you think we would be willing to use our first round pick on something we don't need, but not use one on something we dont necessarily need in the later rounds? I think it would make more sense to take a need in the first than a later pick in the draft. Forte would be a good pick up for us later in the draft because he would provide good depth, which is usually what you draft for in later rounds.

what do you mean?

what exactly is our NEED that must be addressed in the first?

Santonio10
04-24-2008, 07:00 PM
what do you mean?

what exactly is our NEED that must be addressed in the first?

Our need is o-line in my opinion because that's what we need the most help with. I just dont think we should draft a guy like Stewart in round one if he isn't gonna start in the 4-5 years. Maybe Willie will get hurt, who knows? But i just dont like the idea of getting someone who wont start for that long when we can add good solid depth to our backfield later in the draft with a guy like Forte. We dont need to use such a high pick on a backup is all that im trying to say.

mikehop05
04-24-2008, 07:05 PM
Our need is o-line in my opinion because that's what we need the most help with. I just dont think we should draft a guy like Stewart in round one if he isn't gonna start in the 4-5 years. Maybe Willie will get hurt, who knows? But i just dont like the idea of getting someone who wont start for that long when we can add good solid depth to our backfield later in the draft with a guy like Forte. We dont need to use such a high pick on a backup is all that im trying to say.

well imo o-line isnt a huge need

and as far as RB's go, there isnt always a clear starter, especially when your guys split carries

but i dont really want stewart in rd 1 anyways

Santonio10
04-24-2008, 07:05 PM
Plus RB isn't really that big of a concern when we have Willie, Najeh, and Gary Russell, who are both pretty good change of pace backs and are tough runners just like J Stew. I really like this Russell guy. He's only 21 I believe and once he gets himself back into shape i think the guys going to be a good player and a really nice compliment to Willie.

Unbiased
04-24-2008, 07:08 PM
I'm starting to feel that is we don't go OL and DE with are first two picks, I'll be disappointed.

Hines
04-24-2008, 07:08 PM
Plus RB isn't really that big of a concern when we have Willie, Najeh, and Gary Russell, who are both pretty good change of pace backs and are tough runners just like J Stew. I really like this Russell guy. He's only 21 I believe and once he gets himself back into shape i think the guys going to be a good player and a really nice compliment to Willie.

If you think Najeh is a tough runner, you need to watch more games. He is basically a really buffed up Parker. I wouldnt be suprised if he gets cut.

Santonio10
04-24-2008, 07:10 PM
well imo o-line isnt a huge need

and as far as RB's go, there isnt always a clear starter, especially when your guys split carries

but i dont really want stewart in rd 1 anyways

Well the Steelers are one of the few teams now that likes one main ball carrier like Willie. Hopefully we'll go to the two back system a little more by using Najeh and Gary Russell to compliment Willie. Because as much as I love him, he really does take a lot of the carries and i would like to see him around for a while so hopefully they'll cut his carries down a little bit next year.

Santonio10
04-24-2008, 07:10 PM
If you think Najeh is a tough runner, you need to watch more games. He is basically a really buffed up Parker. I wouldnt be suprised if he gets cut.

Actually yeah i take that back, Russell is a tough runner lol

mikehop05
04-24-2008, 07:44 PM
Willie is a UFA in '10 i think,

do you think we will extend him before then?

bring in a rb this year / next year to groom and then let him go?

Santonio10
04-24-2008, 07:50 PM
Willie is a UFA in '10 i think,

do you think we will extend him before then?

bring in a rb this year / next year to groom and then let him go?

Yeah i definately think we re-sign him, unless they have what you're saying in mind. Then i wouldn't mind drafting him :)

SCSteeler
04-24-2008, 09:51 PM
i can't even think about losing Fast Willie now? i think they'll give Russell a lot more carries this next year and take a good look at a 2 back system. if Russell can handle it, it shouldn't cost us too much to keep both for years to come. last year was proof that we need 2 good complimentary backs for the stretch! all this talk about a RB in round 1 has to be smoke screen!

what about Davenport as a FB?

mikehop05
04-24-2008, 10:44 PM
i can't even think about losing Fast Willie now? i think they'll give Russell a lot more carries this next year and take a good look at a 2 back system. if Russell can handle it, it shouldn't cost us too much to keep both for years to come. last year was proof that we need 2 good complimentary backs for the stretch! all this talk about a RB in round 1 has to be smoke screen!

what about Davenport as a FB?

dookie aka davenport is too soft for a FB

i like the idea of giving russell more carries, even go 30 / 70 with willie

Hines
04-24-2008, 10:57 PM
Didnt we just sign Willie long term two years ago? I think we have him longer then 2010.

Mr. Stiller
04-25-2008, 12:21 AM
Here's one of my fav drafts:

1.23 for 1.31, 3.31, 4.31
2.23 + 4.31 for 2.10
1) DeSean Jackson, WR/RS, Cal
2) Dre Moore, DT/DE, Maryland
3a) Shawn Crable, OLB, Michigan
3b) John Greco, OT, Toledo
4) Orlando Scandrick, CB, Boise State
5) Tim Hightower, RB, Richmond
6) Ryan Mundy, FS, West Virginia

Unbiased
04-25-2008, 12:24 AM
Here's one of my fav drafts:

1.23 for 1.31, 3.31, 4.31
2.23 + 4.31 for 2.10
1) DeSean Jackson, WR/RS, Cal
2) Dre Moore, DT/DE, Maryland
3a) Shawn Crable, OLB, Michigan
3b) John Greco, OT, Toledo
4) Orlando Scandrick, CB, Boise State
5) Tim Hightower, RB, Richmond
6) Ryan Mundy, FS, West Virginia

Jackson would just be a Cedrick Wilson/Willie Reid hybrid. Not really a fan of that pick. The rest looks pretty good.

Mr. Stiller
04-25-2008, 12:27 AM
Jackson would just be a Cedrick Wilson/Willie Reid hybrid. Not really a fan of that pick. The rest looks pretty good.

I see Jackson on another level.

Sure he'd be limited to the Slot receiver, but he's certainly better than Anthony Gonzalez and Craig Davis who were drafted last year.

I think he's a legit weapon. His spead would be a nighmare to cover (Welker?) and I think He's got Devin Hester like ability as a Returner.

Jackson is on a WHOLE different level than Wilson/Reid. Reid wasn't near the pro-lific punt returner that Jackson is. And DeSean is 10x the WR that Wilson is. He's near impossible to cover.

Unbiased
04-25-2008, 12:35 AM
I see Jackson on another level.

Sure he'd be limited to the Slot receiver, but he's certainly better than Anthony Gonzalez and Craig Davis who were drafted last year.

I think he's a legit weapon. His spead would be a nighmare to cover (Welker?) and I think He's got Devin Hester like ability as a Returner.

Jackson is on a WHOLE different level than Wilson/Reid. Reid wasn't near the pro-lific punt returner that Jackson is. And DeSean is 10x the WR that Wilson is. He's near impossible to cover.

I agree that he's an outstanding player, but I just don't see him fitting in the offense that well. We don't run a whole lot of 3+ WR sets. I don't think he'd get more than 400 receiving yards a season. Also, his longterm value in our offense doesn't appeal to me. Let's say Ward leaves in a few years, then we have two 1st round receivers under 6', let alone the fact that Ben wants a taller WR.

Return game: Would be amazing, but even the best in the game was only a 2nd rounder.

mikehop05
04-25-2008, 12:53 AM
I agree that he's an outstanding player, but I just don't see him fitting in the offense that well. We don't run a whole lot of 3+ WR sets. I don't think he'd get more than 400 receiving yards a season. Also, his longterm value in our offense doesn't appeal to me. Let's say Ward leaves in a few years, then we have two 1st round receivers under 6', let alone the fact that Ben wants a taller WR.

Return game: Would be amazing, but even the best in the game was only a 2nd rounder.

couldnt agree more

Mr. Stiller
04-25-2008, 01:55 AM
I agree that he's an outstanding player, but I just don't see him fitting in the offense that well. We don't run a whole lot of 3+ WR sets. I don't think he'd get more than 400 receiving yards a season. Also, his longterm value in our offense doesn't appeal to me. Let's say Ward leaves in a few years, then we have two 1st round receivers under 6', let alone the fact that Ben wants a taller WR.

Return game: Would be amazing, but even the best in the game was only a 2nd rounder.


The best in the game couldn't play WR.

He would be a player we'd mold the offense around. So what if our WR's are both under 6'? I think Height is overrated for a WR.

He's a guy that can beat you short, long, and inbetween.

Ben does want a bigger WR. Do you think that we bow down to his wants? There's a few Big WR's in the next few drafts. You mean to tell me if we take DeSean Jackson we can't take another WR later.

I'm not saying it's the best.. but his value is about on par with 31.

I still address our other needs.

People argue for Jon Stewart... I think Jackson is a guy that can add 8-15 TD's a year between WR and Special teams.

Not to mention with Ben getting 102M, and what he loves... going deep.. who better? Jackson though not 6'4+ he's a guy that gets Deep and FAST. Watching him burn corners in college giving him 15-25 yard cushions and he still blows past them, thats a guy I want.

Mr. Stiller
04-25-2008, 01:56 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YPfEkWSEhcY

Watch how fast he gets deep. He's a guy that Ben would Utilize every opportunity.

Santonio10
04-25-2008, 05:54 AM
I really wouldn't mind getting Jackson. He's a great return man and he's got blazing speed and would be a great slot receiver. He's always been one of my favorites to watch in college.

Jakey
04-25-2008, 06:05 AM
I would love to get Jackson, i've said it before...with Santonio Holmes and Desean Jackson, no team in the league has got 2 CB's fast enough to cover both of them, add Hines, Heath, Spaeth and possibly Baker or Trannon to the mix, and that is a formidable combo of speed and size! Would be awesome! :)

DeathbyStat
04-25-2008, 06:27 AM
If you think Najeh is a tough runner, you need to watch more games. He is basically a really buffed up Parker. I wouldnt be suprised if he gets cut.

HAHA Najeh a tough runner. I mean I'm talking hall of famers here...but did you ever see Earl Campbell or Jerome Bettis run

Hines
04-25-2008, 08:59 AM
HAHA Najeh a tough runner. I mean I'm talking hall of famers here...but did you ever see Earl Campbell or Jerome Bettis run

I never said that Najeh is a tough runner. If you are saying that he is, then you dont want enough Steeler games. He runs straight up and would rather run by you instead of through you. He is 240+, he needs to run through you. He killed us against the Jaguars in the playoffs.



OH and about Desean, if we get him, I will be one happy camper as he will provide us with two legit deep threats and that play making returner that we have lacked in such a long time. He would be electrifying. I think if Nate ever gets his consistant hands, he will take over for Hines, which gives us Holmes on the other side and Desean in the slot. I would be excited as hell.

Jakey
04-25-2008, 09:06 AM
^ Same as man...Desean would be beastly. TBH the only pick i would be upset with is Gosder Cherilus...but even that wouldnt be bad if they were certain the LT position is sound. This should be a fun draft day!

p.s. If anyone moans 2moz, im gonna come and slap ya! :D

Hines
04-25-2008, 09:12 AM
I would be happy with any of our first round picks, unless it was someone terrible. I wont ***** about it. The only ones I will probably ***** about are the later rounds, like I did with Spaeth, and Essax.

Jakey
04-25-2008, 09:23 AM
I wasnt upset with Spaeth...his Jr year he was a beast, and he was still kk in his Sr dispite having a trashed shoulder. Plus it adds a 6'7" target to Bens repetoir! :)

Hines
04-25-2008, 09:29 AM
I honestly didnt know **** about Spaeth, but after reading and watching some film on him, I still was like WTF. I am eating my words now, as he will be waybetter then Tuman ever was.

Santonio10
04-25-2008, 11:04 AM
HAHA Najeh a tough runner. I mean I'm talking hall of famers here...but did you ever see Earl Campbell or Jerome Bettis run

Yeah that was my bad lol i said that and then i realized how dumb it was of me to say. I just kind of assume sometimes that since hes 240 or whatever he is that he's a tough runner and forget that he likes to pussyfoot his way around the field.

Santonio10
04-25-2008, 11:08 AM
I honestly didnt know **** about Spaeth, but after reading and watching some film on him, I still was like WTF. I am eating my words now, as he will be waybetter then Tuman ever was.

Yeah i was confused a little by the Spaeth pick last year too, but having seen him play in college i knew he was a big target with good hands and a really good red zone threat, so i wasn't upset about it. I wasn't sure about his run blocking but since the steelers picked him, he must be pretty good. Or at least have potential to be good.

Unbiased
04-25-2008, 01:19 PM
This draft is so wide open for us. I honestly wouldn't be upset with any of the picks that have been thrown around, except Cherilus. If we trade down, I'd be thrilled.

mikehop05
04-25-2008, 01:26 PM
This draft is so wide open for us. I honestly wouldn't be upset with any of the picks that have been thrown around, except Cherilus. If we trade down, I'd be thrilled.

But, if we trade down and get Cherilus, I'd want to drink myself to sleep.

Hines
04-25-2008, 01:36 PM
Actually I think it would be better if we trade down and grab him. I think its a reach at 23, but perfect at 28 and lower. But if we trade past 28, forget about having him as I think he will go to SD.

Jakey
04-25-2008, 01:38 PM
I really dont want another RT...he have got about 5 capable RT's on the roster allready! Any other position i would be cool with (except FS, cus i trust Anthony Smith!). :)

Smooth Criminal
04-25-2008, 01:58 PM
Where are all these RTs? Starks and Colon have both done horrible jobs in the past and Marvel is in the last year of his deal and is desperatley needed at LT as there is no one else capable.

I'd be fine with a Cherilus pick because there isn't any player on our roster that can play RT at the level he can.

I'd also be fine with taking Groves, Balmer, Flowers, Hardy, or Talib at 23. Not great value at 23 but there might not be someone to trade down with so we could end up stuck at 23.

Jakey
04-25-2008, 01:59 PM
Starks...Smith...Colon...Essex...Capizzi

Hines
04-25-2008, 02:01 PM
Starks and Smith are going to battle for LT IMO. Essex is strickly back up. Colon is moving to guard IMO. Capizzi might not even pan out.

mikehop05
04-25-2008, 02:04 PM
I really dont want another RT...he have got about 5 capable RT's on the roster allready! Any other position i would be cool with (except FS, cus i trust Anthony Smith!). :)

could not agree with you more jakey

took the words right out of my mouth... / fingers?

mikehop05
04-25-2008, 02:05 PM
Where are all these RTs? Starks and Colon have both done horrible jobs in the past and Marvel is in the last year of his deal and is desperatley needed at LT as there is no one else capable.

I'd be fine with a Cherilus pick because there isn't any player on our roster that can play RT at the level he can.

I'd also be fine with taking Groves, Balmer, Flowers, Hardy, or Talib at 23. Not great value at 23 but there might not be someone to trade down with so we could end up stuck at 23.

Colon did a horrible job last year?

I thought he was the most consistent linemen

and no, gosder is terrible, just watch his film, he couldn't block a ****

DeathbyStat
04-25-2008, 02:07 PM
I never said that Najeh is a tough runner. If you are saying that he is, then you dont want enough Steeler games. He runs straight up and would rather run by you instead of through you. He is 240+, he needs to run through you. He killed us against the Jaguars in the playoffs.



OH and about Desean, if we get him, I will be one happy camper as he will provide us with two legit deep threats and that play making returner that we have lacked in such a long time. He would be electrifying. I think if Nate ever gets his consistant hands, he will take over for Hines, which gives us Holmes on the other side and Desean in the slot. I would be excited as hell.

I'm sorry i read your post wrong

Mr. Stiller
04-25-2008, 03:34 PM
Colon did a horrible job last year?

I thought he was the most consistent linemen

and no, gosder is terrible, just watch his film, he couldn't block a ****

Gosder on the left and right are completely different players.

Gosder for some reason loses his technique on the left side. But that shouldn't erase your opinion of him playing 3 years lock down on the right side.

Gosder is a beast on the right side. and his drafting fixes 2 positions.


From what I hear... Max Starks is looking to be our future LT..

2008:

Marvel Smith ~ Willie Colon ~ Justin Hartwig ~ Chris Kemo/Kendall Simmons ~ Max Starks


2009:

Max Starks ~ Willie Colon ~ Justin Hartwig ~ Chris Kemo/Kendall Simmons ~ Gosder Cherilus.

DeathbyStat
04-25-2008, 03:42 PM
Gosder on the left and right are completely different players.

Gosder for some reason loses his technique on the left side. But that shouldn't erase your opinion of him playing 3 years lock down on the right side.

Gosder is a beast on the right side. and his drafting fixes 2 positions.


From what I hear... Max Starks is looking to be our future LT..

2008:

Marvel Smith ~ Willie Colon ~ Justin Hartwig ~ Chris Kemo/Kendall Simmons ~ Max Starks


2009:

Max Starks ~ Willie Colon ~ Justin Hartwig ~ Chris Kemo/Kendall Simmons ~ Gosder Cherilus.


So are you saying Gosder is the pick...or Gosder will be the pick...or are you saying both

mikehop05
04-25-2008, 03:49 PM
JSN

JUST SAY NO

to gosder anyways

Mr. Stiller
04-25-2008, 04:43 PM
So are you saying Gosder is the pick...or Gosder will be the pick...or are you saying both

I'm just saying don't discount or hate it. There's rumors of him going 19 to Philly.

I'm merely saying we could make much worse picks... like a RB or CB at 23.

brat316
04-25-2008, 04:58 PM
I don't think Collin is moving from RT, he took the job away from Starks for a reason.

Mr. Stiller
04-25-2008, 04:59 PM
I never said that Najeh is a tough runner. If you are saying that he is, then you dont want enough Steeler games. He runs straight up and would rather run by you instead of through you. He is 240+, he needs to run through you. He killed us against the Jaguars in the playoffs.



OH and about Desean, if we get him, I will be one happy camper as he will provide us with two legit deep threats and that play making returner that we have lacked in such a long time. He would be electrifying. I think if Nate ever gets his consistant hands, he will take over for Hines, which gives us Holmes on the other side and Desean in the slot. I would be excited as hell.

Here's a big BIG misconception about Powre RB's.


Bettis has broken 100 yards I believe twice in his 8 years that he played the Jaguars.

People talk about Willie and Najeh not being able to seal out the game against Balt/Jax.

Jax and Baltimore didn't allow a 100 yard rusher all season.

I'm sure they faced a few "Power" Rb's as well.


Here's my opinion.


DeSean Jackson gives you that Explosive Welker threat. I think Jackson would be an elite passcatcher.

Then you draft a WR in 2009 like Patrick Turner or Greg Carr to play #2 as a big physical #2.

We're more of a balanced team now and I think a guy like Jackson would give us an elite threat.

Hike the ball and just Chuck it 50 yards and dare Jackson to catch it.. He is a guy thats impossible to cover, and can beat you deep regardless of where he catches the ball.

Mr. Stiller
04-25-2008, 05:00 PM
I don't think Collin is moving from RT, he took the job away from Starks for a reason.

There was already reports of the team working him at LG at OTA's already.

(It's Colon). as for RT, 6.8M is a lot of money for a backup RT.

brat316
04-25-2008, 05:06 PM
I don' think we are going RT thats what I meant, we have a young RT in Colon. And last year didn't the same thing happen in OTA when O-line players were being moved around, because Tomlin like versitile players. like Simmons at center.

Mr. Stiller
04-25-2008, 05:14 PM
I don' think we are going RT thats what I meant, we have a young RT in Colon. And last year didn't the same thing happen in OTA when O-line players were being moved around, because Tomlin like versitile players. like Simmons at center.

yeah.. but this year we actually have a hole on the OL

Hines
04-25-2008, 05:36 PM
I think Desean would be a good pick, I did not argue with you on that. I just dont like Najeh, he runs like a *****. You would think he would be able to lower his shoulder and run people over, but he dont.


Like I said, there should be a Starks-Smith battle for LT. Whoever plays the best, gets the contract extension. Gosder will play RT from day one. Colon moves to guard, and have Simmons and Kemo battle it out for the last starting guard job.

brat316
04-25-2008, 05:43 PM
Yeah Simmons is battling no one lets get that straight even if he looses your not going to bench a guard you just gave a huge contract to. If anyone battles is Mahan and Kemo.

Najeh i don't think is a good compliment to Parker. He can catch good, but as a in between the tackle runner he sucks.

Santonio10
04-25-2008, 09:20 PM
Here's a big BIG misconception about Powre RB's.


Bettis has broken 100 yards I believe twice in his 8 years that he played the Jaguars.

People talk about Willie and Najeh not being able to seal out the game against Balt/Jax.

Jax and Baltimore didn't allow a 100 yard rusher all season.

I'm sure they faced a few "Power" Rb's as well.


Here's my opinion.


DeSean Jackson gives you that Explosive Welker threat. I think Jackson would be an elite passcatcher.

Then you draft a WR in 2009 like Patrick Turner or Greg Carr to play #2 as a big physical #2.

We're more of a balanced team now and I think a guy like Jackson would give us an elite threat.

Hike the ball and just Chuck it 50 yards and dare Jackson to catch it.. He is a guy thats impossible to cover, and can beat you deep regardless of where he catches the ball.

I agree with you on Desean. He would be a good pick for us and a pretty good value at 23. The only thing i dont like about him is his possible "bust" factor. Although i think if the Steelers draft him, our coaches and players will be good mentors to him so he would be fine. So im liking the idea of taking this kid. He's easily the best returner in the draft which is something that we really need.

Mr. Stiller
04-25-2008, 11:18 PM
Yeah Simmons is battling no one lets get that straight even if he looses your not going to bench a guard you just gave a huge contract to. If anyone battles is Mahan and Kemo.

Najeh i don't think is a good compliment to Parker. He can catch good, but as a in between the tackle runner he sucks.

Funny coincidence.. our blocking between the tackles sucks too.

Mr. Stiller
04-25-2008, 11:20 PM
I think Desean would be a good pick, I did not argue with you on that. I just dont like Najeh, he runs like a *****. You would think he would be able to lower his shoulder and run people over, but he dont.


Like I said, there should be a Starks-Smith battle for LT. Whoever plays the best, gets the contract extension. Gosder will play RT from day one. Colon moves to guard, and have Simmons and Kemo battle it out for the last starting guard job.

No need to rush Gosder in the starting spot.

Smith and Starks are both on the books for another year. Similar amount. Why sit either.. ?

Let Starks play RT, let Marvel finish LT.. get a long term contract worked out with Max in the mean time and in 2009 Gosder will probably be up to 330lbs and kick ass on that right side.

steel man
04-26-2008, 01:31 AM
this is a mock that I WISH would happen

trade our 1st for ALT's 1st 2 2nd rd picks

2a)Quentin Groves - OLB
2b)James Hardy - WR if Hardy is not there then we could go with Nelson
2c)Chilo Rachal - OG if Chilo is gone then Roy Schuening is not a bad pick either
3) Kendall Langford - DE
4)Owen Schmitt - RB/FB (i like Owen and i think he could be a RB not just a FB, but everyone else does not seem to think so. that is why i have Choice here also. what gets me is everyone is willing to use a 1st on Stewart but not a 4th on Schmitt and he is rank #1 at his pos.) /Tashard Choice - RB
5) Marcus Howard - OLB / Breno Giacomini - OT(either one i would like, but i really like Howard and think he could end up being really good so that is who i hope to get. also he would give us depth, a good ST player, like Harrison was, and if we use the 3-4/4-3 hybrid he would be able to put his hand on the ground and be an end rusher. i understand we need O-Line help and i do not want Ben to get hurt and that comes 1st)
6) Darnell Terrell - CB

Unbiased
04-26-2008, 01:46 AM
this is a mock that I WISH would happen

trade our 1st for ALT's 1st 2 2nd rd picks

2a)Quentin Groves - OLB
2b)James Hardy - WR if Hardy is not there then we could go with Nelson
2c)Chilo Rachal - OG if Chilo is gone then Roy Schuening is not a bad pick either
3) Kendall Langford - DE
4)Owen Schmitt - RB/FB (i like Owen and i think he could be a RB not just a FB, but everyone else does not seem to think so. that is why i have Choice here also. what gets me is everyone is willing to use a 1st on Stewart but not a 4th on Schmitt and he is rank #1 at his pos.) /Tashard Choice - RB
5) Marcus Howard - OLB / Breno Giacomini - OT(either one i would like, but i really like Howard and think he could end up being really good so that is who i hope to get. also he would give us depth, a good ST player, like Harrison was, and if we use the 3-4/4-3 hybrid he would be able to put his hand on the ground and be an end rusher. i understand we need O-Line help and i do not want Ben to get hurt and that comes 1st)
6) Darnell Terrell - CB

Groves won't be there.

Mr. Stiller
04-26-2008, 01:51 AM
Groves won't be there.

who knows. With his heart condition a lot of teams downgraded him.

Unbiased
04-26-2008, 02:14 AM
who knows. With his heart condition a lot of teams downgraded him.

Given his heart condition, I can't see SF passing on him, or even Miami at 32.

That would be a very good draft though.

Strongside
04-26-2008, 02:24 AM
2a)Quentin Groves - OLB
2b)James Hardy - WR if Hardy is not there then we could go with Nelson
2c)Chilo Rachal - OG if Chilo is gone then Roy Schuening is not a bad pick either
3) Kendall Langford - DE
4)Owen Schmitt - RB/FB [/b]

I would get a semi if that happened

Mr. Stiller
04-26-2008, 02:50 AM
I would get a semi if that happened

Change Schmitt to Orlando Scandrick and You got my vote.

Mr. Stiller
04-26-2008, 03:00 AM
Its' ******* 4am I'll see yall at 3pm tomorrow...

SCSteeler
04-26-2008, 04:30 AM
if we trade, it better be for a top 15 pick in both the 2nd and 3rd, maybe the 2nd and 4th!
i hate seeing Baltimore and Cincy picking so many times ahead of us.

Santonio10
04-26-2008, 06:44 AM
Scott's final mock
1. Gosder Cherilus
2. Dajuan Morgan
3. Jerome Simpson

Hmmm...not too big of a fan of this mock. I really don't think we're gonna take Morgan, but weirder things have happened. Gosder as of lately i've become a little iffy about taking. I really like the Simpson pick though.

Still has us taking Cherilus even with guys like Hardy, Sweed and Jackson still on the board. I know a lot of you guys aren't fans of him on this board, but King is still there in the second too. I would rather see us get him than Dajuan Morgan.

gunners2020
04-26-2008, 07:55 AM
1. Gosder Cherilus
2. Dajuan Morgan
3. Jerome Simpson



Have to say i hate this mock, i can live with Cherilus, but would rather have groves, in the 2nd if we did draft Cherilus, no way do we go Morgan, and pass up Avril, heck i'd rather have Reggie smith than Morgan. in the third, i just don't rate Simpson as that sort of value, seems too much like Nate to me, I'd be praying, either Earl Bennet or someone like Eddie royal falls

gunners2020
04-26-2008, 09:00 AM
This is the mock that i can see happening

1) Gosder Cherilus, Boston College, RT

Gives us a solid base for years, to come the best right tackle after Long, A mauler, who's an excellent run blocker, posses some decent footwork, so is adequate in pass blocking, day one starter moves Colon to LG

2) Cliff Avril, Purdue, OLB

Just like spencer last year, the boiler makers produce another great tweener. the steelers seem to love his skill set, a great pass rusher coupled with a non stop motor, he will be Woodley's partner in crime for years to come.

3) Kendall Langford, Hampton, DE

We all know that the D-line is getting old and we all know how much we suffered when aaron smith was out, To freshen things up we get the massive langford, This guy is just explosive of the snap, and really puounds the opposition D,Has a great mean streaks too, he's still raw though but with the proper coaching could really be a player.

4) Marcus Monk, Arkansas, WR

Great size and speed, decent hands, Bens new get out of jail, please just throw it away and don't get sacked fade pass target.

5) DeJuan Tribble, Boston College, CB

Slightly undersized, but he plays with the heart of a lion., He has fallen after some poor workouts, however, he has great hands and has a nice mean streak, fluid hips and a nice burst seal the deal.

6) Keilen Dykes, West Virginia, DE

More help for the aging D-Line, Dykes is a local products, who projects well to the 3-4




Okay now this is the mock i want to happen.

We trade back with Atlanta, for their first 2nd and their first 3rd and a flip flop of 4ths

2a) Quentin groves, Auburn, OLB

He Falls due to his reported heart condition, even though, it will not effect him at all on the field, still everybody's loss is our gain, in my opinion he is the elite pass rushing OLB in this draft, and if he came out last year, i think he would have been the pick ahead of Timmons.

2b) Carl Nicks, Nebraska, RT

First off, this guy is not 25 he is 22, and to me his age was the only thing holding him back, IMO He is an elite RT in this class on par with Cherilus, but maybe with out the potential to shift to LT. A true mauler.

3a) Earl Bennett, Vanderbilt, WR

Love this pick, this guy is by far my favorite WR in this class. He is a real physical presence, and a great blocker, brilliant route runner and great hands, not a burner, but neither is Hines, The man Bennett will succeed one day.

3b) Kendell Langford, Hampton DE

We all know that the D-line is getting old and we all know how much we suffered when aaron smith was out, To freshen things up we get the massive langford, This guy is just explosive of the snap, and really puounds the opposition D,Has a great mean streaks too, he's still raw though but with the proper coaching could really be a player.

4) Terrell Thomas, USC CB/S

Thomas Falls due to the rise of players such as Molden and Branch. A versatile DB who can play Safety or CB, this guy is a Townsend clone, he has great instincts, and is very physical, a player who will support the run when needed and isn't afraid to lay the wood. Can also return Kicks

5) Owen Schmitt WVU, FB

Not in love with this guy as some on here, but he represents good value at this point, and to Be honest we need a lead blocker, who can punch a hole, and soft as pudding Carey Davis cant do that in the least. Will also be a ST standout.

6) Marcus Dixon, Hampton, DE

Another DE , This guy has made some mistakes in the past, and got the short end of the stick, the guy has paid his time, and deserves a chance. o and he will be a great DE for the steelers

Hines
04-26-2008, 09:44 AM
1. Gosder Cherilus
2. Dajuan Morgan
3. Jerome Simpson



Have to say i hate this mock, i can live with Cherilus, but would rather have groves, in the 2nd if we did draft Cherilus, no way do we go Morgan, and pass up Avril, heck i'd rather have Reggie smith than Morgan. in the third, i just don't rate Simpson as that sort of value, seems too much like Nate to me, I'd be praying, either Earl Bennet or someone like Eddie royal falls

Trust me, Simpson is wayyyy better then Nate. If you dont want Simpson, you dont want a 6'2 200 reciever with 4.4 speed, 41 inch vert, with 11 inch hands and monkey arms. I would love that.

brat316
04-28-2008, 02:08 PM
I think for WR Sweed will line up outside and Holmes will be in the slot. When we go three wr sets. On the depth chart though it will probably say Nate is slot WR.

Strongside
04-28-2008, 02:23 PM
I think Ward will line up in the slot and Holmes and Sweed out wide. Just because Ward is in the slot doesn't mean he will be the #3 WR, it's because he's awesome in the slot. I saw Ward in the slot quite a lor this year

Hines
04-28-2008, 03:32 PM
Patrick Bailey LB 6-4 235 Duke

Dorien Bryant WR 5-9 175 Purdue

Doug Legursky C 6-1 323 Marshall

Roy Lewis CB 5-10 190 Washington

Mike Potts QB 6-4 220 William & Mary

Martavius Prince DT 6-2 282 Southern Miss

Julian Rauch K 5-11 207 Appalachian State

Jordan Reffett DT 6-4 292 Washington

Micah Rucker WR 6-6 221 Eastern Illinois

Dezmond Sherrod TE 6-2 250 Mississippi State

Travis Williams CB 5-9 180 East Carolina

Donovan Woods LB 6-2 230 Oklahoma State



These are our UDFA signings.

Hines
04-28-2008, 03:37 PM
By looking at players bios and stats from their senior seasons, I think a few of them can stick. I havent looked up them all, but I can see Dorien Bryant, Micah Rucker, Martavius Prince, Roy Lewis, and Doug Legursky can either stick on the roster or placed on PS.

Jakey
04-28-2008, 04:07 PM
Patrick Bailey LB 6-4 235 Duke

Dorien Bryant WR 5-9 175 Purdue

Doug Legursky C 6-1 323 Marshall

Roy Lewis CB 5-10 190 Washington

Mike Potts QB 6-4 220 William & Mary

Martavius Prince DT 6-2 282 Southern Miss

Julian Rauch K 5-11 207 Appalachian State

Jordan Reffett DT 6-4 292 Washington

Micah Rucker WR 6-6 221 Eastern Illinois

Dezmond Sherrod TE 6-2 250 Mississippi State

Travis Williams CB 5-9 180 East Carolina

Donovan Woods LB 6-2 230 Oklahoma State



These are our UDFA signings.


Good job man...nothing too flashy, but 2 or 3 should make the roster/practice squad.

Hines
04-28-2008, 04:14 PM
Prince and Reffet I can see stealing a spot from Eason or Kirchke. Prince is more of a pass rusher while Reffet is a run stopper. Travis Williams can play anywhere and he will be used as a RS.

Hines
04-28-2008, 06:21 PM
Next year IMO, I see these as our top needs.

OT(if Hills doesnt develop and Starks plays like **** if we get a middle round pick we could get a good one like Oher, Andre Smith, ect)

DT/DE( if we go in the mid first, we can get Tyson Jackson, Fila Moala, Terrence Tolliver)

CB (BMac is in a contract year, Townsend is getting old, *** is more suited for the nickle. I like Vontae Davis a lot)

MLB(I am not sure Humpal will develop into more then a ST ace. I t hink he will be similar to Kriewaldt in all honesty. I want Aaron Curry from Wake Forest as I think he will be a stud in the pros)

brat316
04-28-2008, 06:23 PM
What about Guard

brat316
04-28-2008, 06:25 PM
Returner is still a concern Bloom sucks as does Reid maybe Holmes can return.

Hines
04-28-2008, 06:27 PM
I think Kemo/Colon/Simmons are good. I want Bens blindside protected first before anything.

SCSteeler
04-28-2008, 08:29 PM
what happened to Jehuu Caulcrick?
i thought we were all over this guy?
and no Keilen Diekes, did these guys get picked up by someone else?

Hines
04-28-2008, 08:30 PM
what happened to Jehuu Caulcrick?
i thought we were all over this guy?
and no Keilen Diekes, did these guys get picked up by someone else?

Dykes is a Cardinal and I am not sure where Caulcrick went.

SCSteeler
04-28-2008, 09:15 PM
Do you guys agree with taking Dixon over Schmitt? (in the 5th)
and Humpal over Bo Ruud? (6th)

...is Hills a better OT then Ikegwuonu is a CB?

Unbiased
04-28-2008, 09:19 PM
Do you guys agree with taking Dixon over Schmitt? (in the 5th)
and Humpal over Bo Ruud? (6th)

...is Hills a better OT then Ikegwuonu is a CB?

I like Dixon more than Schmitt. I was hoping we would sign Carl Stewart, but we'll be all right with Carey Davis and Billy Latsko.

Absolutely not, but OT was a bigger need. It was a good pick as Hills can play LT.

Hines
04-28-2008, 09:22 PM
If Hills cant play LT, I think we got LT in the first round next draft.

Unbiased
04-28-2008, 09:30 PM
If Hills cant play LT, I think we got LT in the first round next draft.

I think he can, and I'd like to see us go DE.

Hines
04-28-2008, 09:32 PM
If he can, then we wont. I think he will be better suited to play RT and Starks at LT. But i dont know what Z is thinking.

I would still love to go LT if Hills doesnt work out.

I like Tyson Jackson, but he will probably be gone before we pick.

SCSteeler
04-28-2008, 09:37 PM
I like Dixon more than Schmitt. I was hoping we would sign Carl Stewart, but we'll be all right with Carey Davis and Billy Latsko.

Absolutely not, but OT was a bigger need. It was a good pick as Hills can play LT.




thats the only reason i'm happy with the pick. i was really hoping we would address the OL with a good LT, and not just any lineman!

SCSteeler
04-28-2008, 09:50 PM
If Hills cant play LT, I think we got LT in the first round next draft.




if Hills can't play LT, then I don't understand the pick?

Hines
04-28-2008, 09:52 PM
if Hills can't play LT, then I don't understand the pick?

I can see him as a RT though.

Strongside
04-28-2008, 10:28 PM
How bout this

Offense

QB: Ben Roethlisberger -> Charlie Batch -> Dennis Dixon
RB: Willie Parker -> Rashard Mendenhall -> Gary Russell -> Mewelde Moore
FB: Carey Davis
WR: Hines Ward -> Limas Sweed -> Dallas Baker
LT: Marvel Smith -> Tony Hill -> Trai Essex
LG: Kendall Simmons -> Sean Mahan
C: Justin Hartwig -> Darnell Stapleton -> Sean Hahan
RG: Willie Colon -> Chris Kemoetu
RT: Max Starks -> Jason Cappizi
TE: Heath Miller -> Matt Spaeth -> Cody Boyd
Wr: Santonio Holmes -> Nate Washington


Defense

DE: Aaron Smith -> Nick Eason
DT: Casey Hampton -> Chris Hoke
DE: Brett Keisel -> Travis Kirschke
ROLB: James Harrison -> Bruce Davis
RILB: Larry Foote -> Lawrence Timmons -> Keyaron Fox
LILB: James Farrior -> Mike Humbal
LOLB: Lamarr Woodley -> Bruce Davis
CB:Ike Taylor -> Will G.ay
CB: Deshea Townsend -> Bryant McFadden
FS: Anthony Smith -> Ryan Clark
SS: Troy Polamalu -> Tyrone Carter -> Ryan Mundy

Special teams

LS: Greg Warren
P: Dan Sepulveda
K: Jeff Reed
KR/PR: Mewelde Moore

steel man
04-28-2008, 10:29 PM
according to the way i read this Kemoeatu will be the starting LG going into camp.

"While discussing Hills' future with the Steelers, assistant coach Larry Zierlein was asked about a current player on the roster who is expected to contend for a starting job in 2008.

Chris Kemoeatu's star is on the rise.

In the team's strongest endorsement of Kemoeatu to date, Zierlein said the left guard job is Kemoeatu's to lose. "

i like hearing this. i like and think Kemoeatu will be real good.

Strongside
04-28-2008, 10:30 PM
according to the way i read this Kemoeatu will be the starting LG going into camp.

"While discussing Hills' future with the Steelers, assistant coach Larry Zierlein was asked about a current player on the roster who is expected to contend for a starting job in 2008.

Chris Kemoeatu's star is on the rise.

In the team's strongest endorsement of Kemoeatu to date, Zierlein said the left guard job is Kemoeatu's to lose. "

i like hearing this. i like and think Kemoeatu will be real good.

I like the sound of that

steel man
04-28-2008, 10:37 PM
i think the OL will look something like this

LT: Marvel Smith -> Tony Hill -> Trai Essex
LG: Chris Kemoetu -> Kendall Simmons
C: Justin Hartwig ->Sean Hahan
RG: Willie Colon -> Sean Mahan
RT: Max Starks -> Willie Colon

Simmions may even play C and Hill could learn to play RT also so he could back up there also and if i am not mistaken Colon played RT last year and could move out to RT if something happened to Starks and Mahan, Hartwig, and Simmions all can play OG. as far as Darnell Stapleton goes i do not know how and where he might fit on the roster. i do not think we would carry 3 C's and we are paying Mahan a lot more money so i say he makes the roster over Darnell Stapleton.

Hines
04-28-2008, 10:51 PM
I think the OL will look like this:


LT: Marvel Smith
LG: Chris Kemoeatu
C: Justin Hartwig
RG: Kendall Simmons
RT: Willie Colon or Max Starks

mikehop05
04-28-2008, 11:12 PM
I can see him as a RT though.

he is not a RT in my book, he is more of a finesse player than a anything else, and a finesse guy, IMO is what you need to protect the QBs blindside

steel man
04-28-2008, 11:36 PM
as far as the WR's go i hope we keep 7

Hines Ward
Santonio Holmes
Limas Sweed
Nate Washington
Dallas Baker
Matt Trannon
Micah Rucker

Baker went to a big school but that does not always mean anything but most of the time the big schools have better coaching. Washington knows the system but he drops a lot of passes. i had us drafting Trannon in my mock last year so i wanted us to get him from the beginning. Rucker is a class act and has all of the stats equal to or better then the big name guys, he also seems like he has the want to , want to learn factor and that means a lot along with a good work ethic. as far as the return game goes we have Moore, that was one of the reasons for signing him. we have Davenport which returned some kicks last year. we also have Russell who returned some kicks for us last year as well. we even could put Washington as a return man if he does not fumble.

the reason for the WR choice is that would give us a good red zone threat if we went 3 wide and used Miller,Sweed,Trannon,and Rucker. in the rest of the field we would have one speed guy in Holmes, one good hands guy in Ward, and one tall guy in Sweed.

steel man
04-28-2008, 11:37 PM
I think the OL will look like this:


LT: Marvel Smith
LG: Chris Kemoeatu
C: Justin Hartwig
RG: Kendall Simmons
RT: Willie Colon or Max Starks


i put Colon inside at OG because everyone said he is better at OG then OT....but i think he is good at either and should start at one of them. also i hate to pay Starks that much to sit, but the best player should be out there and by us signing Starks i think he will start.

SCSteeler
04-29-2008, 01:45 AM
...found this in Ed Bouchettes latest chat...


Any news on a long term contract for Max?

Ed Bouchette: I would be surprised if that happened. Guaranteeing him nearly $7 million in 2008 is going to make it awfully difficult to sign him to a long-term deal. What can you offer him? You'd have to start at least at $10 million for a signing bonus, which is only $3 million more than he'll make this year anyway. Why sign a 4-year deal with the Steelers when you can get $7 million now and then go into FA next year and make a ton more?


....does this bother anyone else? no Max or Marvel after next year? or will we test out Max (for $7mil) this year to see if he's worth a long term deal?

Mr. Stiller
04-29-2008, 05:37 AM
...found this in Ed Bouchettes latest chat...


Any news on a long term contract for Max?

Ed Bouchette: I would be surprised if that happened. Guaranteeing him nearly $7 million in 2008 is going to make it awfully difficult to sign him to a long-term deal. What can you offer him? You'd have to start at least at $10 million for a signing bonus, which is only $3 million more than he'll make this year anyway. Why sign a 4-year deal with the Steelers when you can get $7 million now and then go into FA next year and make a ton more?


....does this bother anyone else? no Max or Marvel after next year? or will we test out Max (for $7mil) this year to see if he's worth a long term deal?

Really?

I think we extend Marvel for 2-years if he shows he's healthy. He should stay fairly cheap.

Max I think we try to work out a long deal.. Essex doesn't make the Roster after next season as Hills will take his spot.

I think Legursky takes a Guard spot in 2009 (Mahan).

Mr. Stiller
04-29-2008, 05:40 AM
I can see him as a RT though.

Trust me Hills is a LT.

He's strictly a Left tackle. My friend is really good at OL analysis.. I'll get his analysis of the Oklahoma v.s. texas (Best RDE that Hills faced) and post it. But it's very positive.

Mr. Stiller
04-29-2008, 05:42 AM
I think he can, and I'd like to see us go DE.

Tonight/Tomorrow I plan on doing my pre-season rankings for the 09 draft.

But I looked at our Roster.. and I picked players out...

Here is the positions I picked (I have names but it's too early without my rankings)

1) LG/C
2) DE
3) LT/RT
3comp) LOLB
4) CB
5) NT
6) WR
7) SS

Mr. Stiller
04-29-2008, 05:46 AM
I like the sound of that

I get a Weird Feeling Colon is going to outplay Simmons.. I can honestly see this:


Marvel Smith ~ Chris Kemoeatu ~ Justin Hartwig ~ Willie Colon ~ Max Starks


From What I hear.. it's Kemo at LG, his position to lose.. and Colon beats Simmons at RG.

Hines
04-29-2008, 08:01 AM
If we lose Starks, I want a first round LT in like Andre Smith or Andrew Gardner or Euguene Monroe.

First round guard would be good too as Herman Johnson or Duke Robinson.

If Vontae Davis is there, I think it will be tough not to pick him.

i.want.troys.hair
04-29-2008, 11:41 AM
Well, I'm bored at work and have already read and re-read almost everything about the Steelers draft and picks, so now I'm gonna do this:

2009 Steelers Mock Draft:

1 Fili Maola- DE, USC
2 Dallas Reynolds- OT, BYU
3 Allen Langford- CB, Wisconsin
3 Jamaal Westermann- DE/OLB, Rutgers
4 Ronnie Palmer- ILB, Arizona
5 Brannan Sutherland- FB, Georgia
6 Marcus Hands- DE, East Carolina
7 Jamarca Sanford- FS, Ole Miss

(3rd round comp for Faneca)

BAM!!!

Unbiased
04-29-2008, 12:17 PM
Well, I'm bored at work and have already read and re-read almost everything about the Steelers draft and picks, so now I'm gonna do this:

2009 Steelers Mock Draft:

1 Fili Maola- DE, USC
2 Dallas Reynolds- OT, BYU
3 Allen Langford- CB, Wisconsin
3 Jamaal Westermann- DE/OLB, Rutgers
4 Ronnie Palmer- ILB, Arizona
5 Brannan Sutherland- FB, Georgia
6 Marcus Hands- DE, East Carolina
7 Jamarca Sanford- FS, Ole Miss

(3rd round comp for Faneca)

BAM!!!

Fili's strictly a 4-3 DT. He's not athletic enough to play end in a 3-4.

mikehop05
04-29-2008, 12:28 PM
Rookie #'s

Bruce Davis - 53
Dennis Dixon - 2
Tony Hills - 66
Mike Humpal - 55
Rashard Mendenhall - 34
Ryan Mundy - 29
Limas Sweed - 14

Unbiased
04-29-2008, 12:36 PM
Rookie #'s

Bruce Davis - 53
Dennis Dixon - 2
Tony Hills - 66
Mike Humpal - 55
Rashard Mendenhall - 34
Ryan Mundy - 29
Limas Sweed - 14

Good stuff.

Strongside
04-29-2008, 05:00 PM
Can Dixon line up at wide-out without a double digit number?

Santonio10
04-29-2008, 05:36 PM
Can Dixon line up at wide-out without a double digit number?

Im not sure. I think we could line him up in the backfield and then send him in motion. But I've heard that he gonna be a QB and nothing else. It doesn't mean were not gonna use him for trick plays or anything, but he's gonna be a QB for us and not a WR or anything else.

Smooth Criminal
04-29-2008, 05:45 PM
Dixon doesn't have the frame to make the move to WR as a full time thing anyway. Anything we use him for will be a gadget play out of the backfield.

brat316
04-29-2008, 07:22 PM
He can't line up in the back either. Since he is not double digit. Remeber Reggie Bush wanted 5 but NFL said no.

Then again I have no idea how the rules work can you have two qbs on the field even though one acts like a rb/wr/qb.

mikehop05
04-29-2008, 07:40 PM
the jersey #'s are subject to change

Santonio10
04-29-2008, 07:41 PM
He can't line up in the back either. Since he is not double digit. Remeber Reggie Bush wanted 5 but NFL said no.

Then again I have no idea how the rules work can you have two qbs on the field even though one acts like a rb/wr/qb.

Yeah thats what i was thinking. They would line up Ben and him in the backfield and send him in motion. I thought you could do that but im not exactly sure. I might just be imagining things lol

Smooth Criminal
04-29-2008, 08:26 PM
You can have two QBs. Vick and Schaub and Hasselbeck and Wallace have both been on the field at the same time.

And the number rule is irrelevant. Vick was 7 and Schaub was 8 and they were on the field together. Schaub was under center and Vick was the RB if I remember correctly. The only rule I can remember is that one of them had to change helmets so they only had one radio.

And I'm sure the Steelers will know the rules for that if they have it planned for him to be involved in things like this.

Santonio10
04-29-2008, 09:00 PM
Oh ok. So i wasn't imagining things lol :)

CDub
04-30-2008, 12:50 PM
Didn't Charles Rodgers wear #1 with the Lions, and Peter Warrick with the Bengals. I'm pretty sure there have been a few other WR's who have had single digit #s

Unbiased
04-30-2008, 01:26 PM
Didn't Charles Rodgers wear #1 with the Lions, and Peter Warrick with the Bengals. I'm pretty sure there have been a few other WR's who have had single digit #s

Rogers wore 81. Warrick wore 80.

mikehop05
05-03-2008, 09:00 PM
Starting two first teams offensive lines for practice:

Smith - Kemo - Mahan - Simmons - Colon
Starks - Kemo - Hartwig - Simmons - Colon

With all the Colon to guard talk, I am surprised he isn't getting any first team reps there, though he is a solid tackle.

Look for Hartwig to take over starting center duties.

Smith apparently feels the best he ever has after his back surgery. He appears to be in top form and will likely keep the starting LT spot.

Starks right now appears to be the odd man out, and the 7mil odd man out at that.

Mr. Goosemahn
05-03-2008, 09:20 PM
Rashard Mendenhall injured a hamstring. I f***ing hate it when this happens (last year Timmons and Woodley got injured in pre-season activities too, really limiting their participation during the season). They'll probably sideline him for a long time to make sure he fully recovers.

At least Tomlin thinks it's not as serious as the injuries sustained last year by Timmons or Woodley.

What a shame. Here's the link:

http://news.steelers.com/article/89225/.

Mr. Goosemahn
05-03-2008, 09:21 PM
At least Sweed is still good, though (for the time being :S).

Mr. Goosemahn
05-04-2008, 12:48 AM
Anybody think Tomlin might be working rookies a bit too hard?

diabsoule
05-04-2008, 05:11 AM
Steelers | Bryant released
Sat, 3 May 2008 11:57:57 -0700

J.J. Pesavento, of Next Level Scouting, reports the Pittsburgh Steelers have released WR Dorien Bryant after he failed his physical.

steelernation77
05-04-2008, 01:50 PM
Anybody think Tomlin might be working rookies a bit too hard?

No. Mendenhall probably just has a little stiffness in his hammy or something and doesn't want to risk anything when he hasn't signed a contract.

Hines
05-04-2008, 10:26 PM
I was thinking. What I was thinking about is who we would get if Mendenhall wasnt there. I think, in order, it would be this; Mike Jenkins, Phillip Merling, Kentwan Balmer. I wouldnt be bitching either way if those three were on the Steelers as well.

Mr. Goosemahn
05-04-2008, 11:02 PM
I think Kenny Phillips would be on that list too.

steelernation77
05-05-2008, 10:58 AM
Tomlin said the difference between 2007 first-round pick Lawrence Timmons from last year to this year is "night and day." Timmons is competing with Larry Foote for the starting job at right inside linebacker. He is also practicing at right outside linebacker.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_565807.html

Santonio10
05-05-2008, 10:58 AM
I would really have liked to get Jenkins if Mendenhall weren't there. Jenkins is a real physical corner with good coverage skills, and with Tomlin coaching him he could have been really good. Not that he wont be good.

Santonio10
05-05-2008, 11:03 AM
Tomlin said the difference between 2007 first-round pick Lawrence Timmons from last year to this year is "night and day." Timmons is competing with Larry Foote for the starting job at right inside linebacker. He is also practicing at right outside linebacker.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_565807.html

That's nice to see him doing real well. I actually hope he beats out Foote this year. Foote's a good play maker and is very consistent but he's not a play maker on the same level as Timmons. Timmons will have a really good season this year.

terribletowel39
05-05-2008, 12:25 PM
That's nice to see him doing real well. I actually hope he beats out Foote this year. Foote's a good play maker and is very consistent but he's not a play maker on the same level as Timmons. Timmons will have a really good season this year.
There is absolutely no way you could know that. We have not seen Timmons play football. We do not know how much of a playmaker he will be or if he will have really good season.

Hi, I'm the resident Foote supporter.

BUSTKUNTLAWL
05-05-2008, 02:52 PM
University of Illinois star running back Rashard Mendenhall -- who was just drafted by the Pittsburgh Steelers -- was robbed at gunpoint early Monday along the South Side lakefront, sources said.

Mendenhall, 20, was walking along the lake near 39th Street at 2 a.m. with another person when two people robbed him of his phone, cash and wallet, sources familiar with the investigation said.

sweetness34
05-05-2008, 02:55 PM
Shard has had hamstring problems in the past so this is not much of a surprise. He'll be fine though.

Strongside
05-05-2008, 03:06 PM
http://www.suntimes.com/news/24-7/932308,Mendenhall050508.article

I'm glad he wasn't hurt.

I don't think I would have the balls to rob Rashard, even if I had a gun

Hines
05-05-2008, 03:46 PM
Eric Young got released by the Browns. Maybe we could pick him up.

mikehop05
05-05-2008, 04:13 PM
Eric Young got released by the Browns. Maybe we could pick him up.

why would we pick up someone that couldn't even cut it with the brownies?

Hines
05-05-2008, 07:25 PM
The Dolphins released a pretty good defensive lineman in Derreck Robinson. He is only 26 and was a solid backup with the Chargers when he played with them. He has good size and would be a way better option then Eason and Kirchke.

Hines
05-05-2008, 07:33 PM
why would we pick up someone that couldn't even cut it with the brownies?

OH and by the way, the reason why Young was cut is because he was hurt. Let him heal and he would be a good player.

ryanrayne
05-06-2008, 03:14 PM
How about pick up Young and put him on IR? Just the minimum and have a year to recoop.? Dumb idea?

steelernation77
05-07-2008, 02:20 AM
More good news about Timmons:

"I don’t expect Larry Foote to hold off Lawrence Timmons for an inside linebacker job. I looked up at one deep ball and saw Timmons covering Holmes. Holmes had Timmons by two steps, but no other linebacker would’ve been that close. Timmons has too much speed to sit this year. Foote, a great, great guy who won’t sulk, will be a valuable backup."

There's some good info from Jim Wexell about the rookies and his thoughts on who makes the roster in this article:
http://www.tribune-democrat.com/prosports/local_story_127235910.html?keyword=topstory

DeathbyStat
05-07-2008, 05:55 AM
More good news about Timmons:

"I don’t expect Larry Foote to hold off Lawrence Timmons for an inside linebacker job. I looked up at one deep ball and saw Timmons covering Holmes. Holmes had Timmons by two steps, but no other linebacker would’ve been that close. Timmons has too much speed to sit this year. Foote, a great, great guy who won’t sulk, will be a valuable backup."

There's some good info from Jim Wexell about the rookies and his thoughts on who makes the roster in this article:
http://www.tribune-democrat.com/prosports/local_story_127235910.html?keyword=topstory

Thats good news with timmons....I don't really want Santonio risking injury returning punts and he should focus on being the best reciever he can be.

terribletowel39
05-07-2008, 07:44 AM
It's not practical that any of our LBers would be asked to cover someone with the quickness of Holmes. A DB would be assigned to him. Who cares if he is that much quicker than all the other LBers?? Quickness and speed isn't all that is involved in that position. Argh.

steelernation77
05-07-2008, 10:44 AM
It's not practical that any of our LBers would be asked to cover someone with the quickness of Holmes. A DB would be assigned to him. Who cares if he is that much quicker than all the other LBers?? Quickness and speed isn't all that is involved in that position. Argh.

Larry Foote? Is that you?

Hines
05-07-2008, 12:15 PM
Quick little 2009 mock. Nothing is set in stone, value may be off, but I am trying:

1) Jeff Owens DE Georgia
2) Cedric Dockery G Texas
3) DeAndre Wright CB UNLV
4) BJ Raji DT Boston College
5) Aaron Curry LB Wake Forest
6) Reggie Youngblood OT Miami
7) Quan Crosby WR/RS Texas

Mr. Stiller
05-08-2008, 09:34 AM
It's not practical that any of our LBers would be asked to cover someone with the quickness of Holmes. A DB would be assigned to him. Who cares if he is that much quicker than all the other LBers?? Quickness and speed isn't all that is involved in that position. Argh.

No but when you have a LB that can actually cover WR's that opens your defense up to millions of more possibilities. Think about it, the more ground Timmons can cover... the more likely we can actually utilize our OLB's.

terribletowel39
05-08-2008, 10:07 AM
No but when you have a LB that can actually cover WR's that opens your defense up to millions of more possibilities. Think about it, the more ground Timmons can cover... the more likely we can actually utilize our OLB's.
But if you read the article, it says he was behind him. He wasn't covering him. Thats a TD. I'd much rather have a DB out there. And Foote, the most consistent LBer the past 3-4 years.

Mr. Stiller
05-08-2008, 10:14 AM
Quick little 2009 mock. Nothing is set in stone, value may be off, but I am trying:

1) Jeff Owens DE Georgia
2) Cedric Dockery G Texas
3) DeAndre Wright CB UNLV
4) BJ Raji DT Boston College
5) Aaron Curry LB Wake Forest
6) Reggie Youngblood OT Miami
7) Quan Crosby WR/RS Texas

1)Owens is a NT, he's not a passrusher. But I do like him.
2) I don't think G is a high priority frankly.. We'll have about 5-6 G's whereas we have 3 OT's with contracts running out next season.
3) I'm cool with Wright.
4) BJ Raji is an overweight slob.. Not a fan.
5) You're still pushing this kid. I have a feeling Farrior will be extended 1-2 years.. we have 5 ILB's already. Timmons, Foote, Fox, Farrior and Humpal.
6) Haven't watched Youngblood.
7) Haven't watched Quan.

I have mine done as well.

1) Al Woods, NT, Louisiana State ~ 6'4 320lbs
2) Eugene Monroe, LT/RT, Virginia ~ 6'6 320lbs
3) Pannel Egboh, DE, Stanford ~ 6'6 282lbs
3c) Jamaal Westerman, LOLB, Rutgers ~ 6'3 255lbs
4) Wopamo Osaisai, CB, Stanford ~ 5'11 185lbs
5) Jason Chapman, DE, Wisconsin ~ 6'4 285lbs
6) Joel Bell, OT, Furman ~ 6'7 316lbs
7) Antonio Dixon, NT, Miami ~ 6'3 328lbs

Mr. Stiller
05-08-2008, 10:17 AM
But if you read the article, it says he was behind him. He wasn't covering him. Thats a TD. I'd much rather have a DB out there. And Foote, the most consistent LBer the past 3-4 years.

We'll Agree to disagree that Foote was the most consistent LB of the past 3-4 years. That would go to Farrior.

Haggans has been more consistently terrible.

Holmes is also one of the faster WR's in the league. He just barely lost on a route to a guy that runs a 4.36.

That shows me personally that Timmons can probably hang with the guys that run the 4.4's-4.5's. Meaning if push comes to shove, we can utilize him extremely well in coverage.. something we can't do with Foote in there.

Timmons can cover TE's, WR's, and RB's. Foote can't even cover TE's.

I'm sorry man, you'll have to accept his demotion.

Hines
05-08-2008, 12:07 PM
1)Owens is a NT, he's not a passrusher. But I do like him.
2) I don't think G is a high priority frankly.. We'll have about 5-6 G's whereas we have 3 OT's with contracts running out next season.
3) I'm cool with Wright.
4) BJ Raji is an overweight slob.. Not a fan.
5) You're still pushing this kid. I have a feeling Farrior will be extended 1-2 years.. we have 5 ILB's already. Timmons, Foote, Fox, Farrior and Humpal.
6) Haven't watched Youngblood.
7) Haven't watched Quan.

I have mine done as well.

1) Al Woods, NT, Louisiana State ~ 6'4 320lbs
2) Eugene Monroe, LT/RT, Virginia ~ 6'6 320lbs
3) Pannel Egboh, DE, Stanford ~ 6'6 282lbs
3c) Jamaal Westerman, LOLB, Rutgers ~ 6'3 255lbs
4) Wopamo Osaisai, CB, Stanford ~ 5'11 185lbs
5) Jason Chapman, DE, Wisconsin ~ 6'4 285lbs
6) Joel Bell, OT, Furman ~ 6'7 316lbs
7) Antonio Dixon, NT, Miami ~ 6'3 328lbs

Owens is a pass rusher, he had 23 quarterback hurries. Granted that dont mean much, but he can get after that quarterback.

I like yours a lot. I like Monroe a lot, Woods is a monster, Osaisai is a good player.

I am just not sold on Humpal being a starter as I think Curry can come in and be Farrior v.2. I watched tape on Curry and he impressed me a lot.

Hines
05-08-2008, 12:08 PM
Also, Owens is pushing the 290 area. He is a DE in the 34.

Hines
05-09-2008, 05:10 PM
I have Foote starting the season as the starter, but when the season goes on, I see Timmons taking over that spot. That is too much physical talent and athleticism to have sitting on the bench. I love Timmons' raw pass rushing ability and think he will be a monster once giving playing time. Foote is a solid player, but I think Timmons is better and will only get better with expierence.

mikehop05
05-09-2008, 06:49 PM
I bet you timmons starts

Jakey
05-09-2008, 06:51 PM
Lovin the sig Hines...love the rookie reppage! :)

ryanrayne
05-11-2008, 02:37 PM
Hines..that graphic is a bit exciting!!! Makes me want to vist the thread often!!

Hines
05-11-2008, 06:17 PM
I see a lot of Joseph Addai in Mendenhall. I hope Mendenhall plays like Addai does.

DeathbyStat
05-12-2008, 02:35 PM
[QUOTE=HinesWardJr;1064019]I see a lot of Joseph Addai in Mendenhall. I hope Mendenhall plays like Addai does.[/QUO

I could be complete off base but he reminds me of Larry Johnson....not as powerfull but a bit faster

mikehop05
05-12-2008, 04:13 PM
Yeah I see a bit of LJ also, quick feet, fast enough, and lowers his shoulder at contact to get the extra yard or two

Mr. Stiller
05-13-2008, 12:52 AM
I see Marshall Faulk/Edgerrin James.

Quick feet, hands...

He's a guy that is a great player in the open field. He can make a guy miss, or run over a guy, but he KNOWS when to do which one..

If he feels running the guy over gets him the best advantage, he will. same with juking him.

I can see him like that..


In the Faulk/James/Addai Mold.

Not bad considering we're running more twards a n indy style offense.