Vernon Gholston

[throwback54milkman]

I think right now he is one of the more under the radar prospects, and could be a Merriman/Ware stud, but I have not seen that much of him this year. For those of you that have seen him/know about him please post. I really want the Jets to get him.

[foozball]

i wouldnt call a top 10 pick under the radar

[BamaFalcon59]

Reading 'The Blind Side', I wouldn't doubt him top 5 and I think barring public reaction he would be the smart pick for the Miami Dolphins.

[diabsoule]

Reading 'The Blind Side', I wouldn't doubt him top 5 and I think barring public reaction he would be the smart pick for the Miami Dolphins.

I think either him or Chris Long for the Dolphins.

[fenikz]

Not underrated by any means, should be a top 10 pick easily and more than likely a top 5

[throwback54milkman]

any weaknesses?

[Babylon]

any weaknesses?

I think downside is he seems more suited as a 3-4 outside rush end which narrows down the teams that would want him, would probably need to run a little better than he has in the past at the combine and needs to have a big game against LSU like he did against Michigan and not like he had against Illinois.

[Thread Killer]

I think downside is he seems more suited as a 3-4 outside rush end which narrows down the teams that would want him, would probably need to run a little better than he has in the past at the combine and needs to have a big game against LSU like he did against Michigan and not like he had against Illinois.

Of course it's possible that the 32 teams don't share your opinion as to where he's more suited.:)

With the 2nd pick in the NFL draft, the St. Louis Rams select Vernon Gholston, DE, Ohio State.

[Babylon]

Of course it's possible that the 32 teams don't share your opinion as to where he's more suited.:)

With the 2nd pick in the NFL draft, the St. Louis Rams select Vernon Gholston, DE, Ohio State.


You may be 100% correct but the whole talk was he was the next Ware/Merriman and in that context he's limited to a handful of teams. He would be a nice fit for the Rams but i dont think they will take him.

[keylime_5]

I think Dorsey probably goes #1. Gholston is a great prospect, but I don't see him going #1, that would be somethin' else though. I think Long goes before him probably too. Most teams like Long a lot, rumors say the Jets really like him too, but those are the same sort of rumors that said the Browns were "keying in" on Adrian Peterson last January. But #6 to New York or maybe #3/4 to Oakland is really possible.

[energizerbunny]

43 End or 34 Rush he is a talented.

I'm not as concerned as most people are about his ability to play end in the 43, with his strength he plays 30 pounds heavier then his weight.

Its hard to find a weakness with him on the field, the scary part is he is probally the most anticipated guy to be a workout warrior.

There aren't many red flags with him, he is a much better prospect then Will Smith was.

IF anyone questions his ability to play End, just watch the Michigan game.

Guys need to start watching tape before they discard these "undersized" ends as being able to play in a 43 and automatically start calling them Rush backers.


43 or 34 he is going to be a player, he has the ability to take a game over.

[foozball]

i dont see how he's considered undersized. he's 6'4 265lbs of rock solid muscle. he's pretty much the prototype physically for a 4-3 edge rusher.

[TapouT]

all i have 2 say is a beast. honestly tell me if u were a player how cud u not b scared of dis guy all he is a buch of muscle nd if ur goona come face 2 face wit him u hav 2 options either go down right away or brace ur self 4 impact.

[badgerbacker]

all i have 2 say is a beast. honestly tell me if u were a player how cud u not b scared of dis guy all he is a buch of muscle nd if ur goona come face 2 face wit him u hav 2 options either go down right away or brace ur self 4 impact.Great post.

[Rich Jr]

All natural?

http://menofthescarletandgray.com/wp-content/uploads/gholston.jpg

[Sportsfan486]

I think Dorsey probably goes #1. Gholston is a great prospect, but I don't see him going #1, that would be somethin' else though.

You know, I really wouldn't be terribly surprised to see Gholston go #1 if for the way Merriman and Ware have redefined the position in a way, or at least brought the spotlight back on it as a premiere defensive position.

I mean, Ware and Merriman are two of the most schemed against defensive players in the league and it's hard not to see them in Gholston.

Dorsey.. I like him but I question whether he would make enough impact to value the #1 overall pick. Plus he isn't even a great fit in that system and I don't think his measurables are going to be overly impressive for a DT. Standard-type stuff. Plus he had some durability issues.

The other player in that mix would be Jake Long and there's no way he's deserving of the #1 overall and would probably have to fight for even a starting job.

Gholston makes sense to me.

[IBleedGreen18]

It wouldn't be too crazy to see Gholston go #1 if he does as well at the combine as many are expecting. Parcells loves OLBs, and he has made sure to aggressively pursue them everywhere hes gone.

NYG - He had LT already in place
NE- McGinnest in round 1
NYJ- Farrior played inside but saw some time outside if i remember correctly, and John Abe was an excellent OLB.
Dallas- Ware and Spencer in round 1 in like 4 years.


If parcells goes after a coach and GM for the 3-4 I wouldn't be surprised to see Parcells shop for groceries that suit his liking.

[george_allen]

All natural?

http://menofthescarletandgray.com/wp-content/uploads/gholston.jpg

probably not,
he probably needed to lift some weights to get to look like that.

but i guess it could just be genetics. i'm told this is a recent photo of his cousin william:

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/48/488705.jpg

6'5 230lbs de/te . . .
he's class of 2010 at detroit mumford H.S.
looks like it might just run in the family, but i don't know.

[badgerbacker]

probably not,
he probably needed to lift some weights to get to look like that.

but i guess it could just be genetics. i'm told this is a recent photo of his cousin william:

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/48/488705.jpg

6'5 230lbs de/te . . .
he's class of 2010 at detroit mumford H.S.
looks like it might just run in the family, but i don't know.
It could run in the family. Or steriods are handed out at family reunions.

[Flyboy]

If he falls, we have a black & gold jersey waiting for him.

[Thread Killer]

You may be 100% correct but the whole talk was he was the next Ware/Merriman and in that context he's limited to a handful of teams. He would be a nice fit for the Rams but i dont think they will take him.

I do. Especially with Haslett's scheme needing a player of his talents that can play DE in his 4-3 sets and OLB in his 3-4 sets.

[dRaFtDoRk]

The guy is going to be a freak when it comes to workouts and the combine. He'll be a first round pick come draft day. I think he could reach Top 20 max, but a Top 10 pick might be pushing it a little bit...

I actually had dinner beside him near campus like 2 or 3 weeks ago, the guy is a monster

[george_allen]

The guy is going to be a freak when it comes to workouts and the combine. He'll be a first round pick come draft day. I think he could reach Top 20 max, but a Top 10 pick might be pushing it a little bit...

I actually had dinner beside him near campus like 2 or 3 weeks ago, the guy is a monster


what holds him back from being a top 10 from your perspective?

[yourfavestoner]

all i have 2 say is a beast. honestly tell me if u were a player how cud u not b scared of dis guy all he is a buch of muscle nd if ur goona come face 2 face wit him u hav 2 options either go down right away or brace ur self 4 impact.

http://www.orlyowl.com/orly.jpg

[D4rk 0ne]

I think Dorsey probably goes #1. Gholston is a great prospect, but I don't see him going #1, that would be somethin' else though. I think Long goes before him probably too. Most teams like Long a lot, rumors say the Jets really like him too, but those are the same sort of rumors that said the Browns were "keying in" on Adrian Peterson last January. But #6 to New York or maybe #3/4 to Oakland is really possible.

If that scenario occurs, according to the transitive property (and assuming Oakland wins the toss) the top three picks would be D-lineman:

1. Miami: Dorsey
2. St Louis: Long
3. Oakland: Gholston

This isn't Madden 07's draft generator, is it? :D


On a serious note, I agree with the people who said that his success relies heavily on the system in which he plays. He has a lot of upside, but as is often the case with such freakish physical specimens, he is still more or less raw talent. If he is shaped well, he could definitely be a Ware or Merriman. But he's far from a sure thing. I think he'll probably go to the Jets and I doubt he'll go sooner.

[Iamcanadian]

It wouldn't be too crazy to see Gholston go #1 if he does as well at the combine as many are expecting. Parcells loves OLBs, and he has made sure to aggressively pursue them everywhere hes gone.

NYG - He had LT already in place
NE- McGinnest in round 1
NYJ- Farrior played inside but saw some time outside if i remember correctly, and John Abe was an excellent OLB.
Dallas- Ware and Spencer in round 1 in like 4 years.


If parcells goes after a coach and GM for the 3-4 I wouldn't be surprised to see Parcells shop for groceries that suit his liking.

I agree completely. It wouldn't shock me if Gholston goes #1 overall. I guarantee you that Parcells isn't going to draft a 3-4 DE such as Dorsey or Chris Long over an OLB who will be a dominate pass rusher.
In fact, I expect Gholston to be the #1 prospect on the Board for any 3-4 team. Dorsey and Chris Long will be drafted by a 4-3 team. It's not that they cannot play in a 3-4 but 3-4 DE's are basically run stoppers and these guys would only be wasted in that defense.

[thebow305]

I agree completely. It wouldn't shock me if Gholston goes #1 overall. I guarantee you that Parcells isn't going to draft a 3-4 DE such as Dorsey or Chris Long over an OLB who will be a dominate pass rusher.
In fact, I expect Gholston to be the #1 prospect on the Board for any 3-4 team. Dorsey and Chris Long will be drafted by a 4-3 team. It's not that they cannot play in a 3-4 but 3-4 DE's are basically run stoppers and these guys would only be wasted in that defense.

Couldn't agree more... Hope you're right!

[jetsfan0099]

probably not,
he probably needed to lift some weights to get to look like that.

but i guess it could just be genetics. i'm told this is a recent photo of his cousin william:

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/48/488705.jpg

6'5 230lbs de/te . . .
he's class of 2010 at detroit mumford H.S.
looks like it might just run in the family, but i don't know.

Idk if hes on steroids or not, but he was never tested positive on it, I read some articles saying he was tested a few times and always came out negative. Until proven on it no one can say this kid is on it. I think it could be genetics, if you look at him its really only his arms that are huge, the rest of his body is normal for a college player. His cousin looks like that too. Plus Gholston is a pretty serious body builder, has been working out a lot since he was a kid, thats his 1st love. I would love to see the Jets use the 6th pick on him, he is more of a OLB/DE IMO. He just doesnt seem like a pure 4-3 DE. He plays some LB with Ohio State. Jets could use some size and talent at OLB, so that would be a great pick for us. Unless Chris Long falls, Long still has Gholston beat at everything, Gholston is probaly faster and more suited for OLB than Long though.

[jetsfan0099]

I agree completely. It wouldn't shock me if Gholston goes #1 overall. I guarantee you that Parcells isn't going to draft a 3-4 DE such as Dorsey or Chris Long over an OLB who will be a dominate pass rusher.
In fact, I expect Gholston to be the #1 prospect on the Board for any 3-4 team. Dorsey and Chris Long will be drafted by a 4-3 team. It's not that they cannot play in a 3-4 but 3-4 DE's are basically run stoppers and these guys would only be wasted in that defense.

Al Groh thinks Chris Long is going to be like a Mike Vrabel impact in the NFL. Meaning he can play OLB in the 3-4, or DE.

[SenorGato]

Al Groh thinks Chris Long is going to be like a Mike Vrabel impact in the NFL. Meaning he can play OLB in the 3-4, or DE.

He'll need a good combine to convince me of that.

I do like Long, but I think his best position is 4-3 DE. If he impresses at the combine though...its not crazy to think he could be a DE/OLB.

[Shere Khan]

I can't see the Bengals letting him slip past them.
Matter of fact, I really don't see him getting past the Ravens.

[BroadwayJoe10]

He had a pretty good game in the national championship and his stock doesn't seem to be able to get much higher considering he is a top 10 lock; i was wondering what people think the chances of him returning for his senior season becuase he lost this game? I always here players say after a loss they feel they want to come back and redeem themselves, but after a few days/weeks after the game and it all settles in then they realize the draft is the way to go.

[dRaFtDoRk]

Here's my prediction on OSU early candidates:

Boeckman: Who gives a crap
Robiskie: Stay
Hartline: Stay
Gholston: Declare
Laurinatis: Stay
Jenkins: Declare

[GET LOOSE]

i like gholston better than long but both will be good

[BroadwayJoe10]

i do think he'll declare, but since i havn't followed the draft for too many years, how many players have there been who were considered a consensus top 10 pick and decide to go back for his senior year?

[Young Legend]

for some reason i can see him stay.

[GET LOOSE]

for some reason i can see him stay.

i think he will leave but i think laurinaitis will stay

[Finsfan79]

I think he leaves actually I see both leaving but I dont think he helped himself much last night

[Iamcanadian]

i do think he'll declare, but since i havn't followed the draft for too many years, how many players have there been who were considered a consensus top 10 pick and decide to go back for his senior year?

There are always idiots who risk everything and return to school. It is amazing how many drop in their senior years or get injured.
Leinart and Quinn tried it and it cost each of them around 30 million dollars if not more. You should always strike when the iron is hot.
These players have worked hard their whole life to be pro football players and to risk it all for another year of college ball is ridiculous.

[energizerbunny]

its very,very difficult to return to school and improve your stock when you're all ready considered a 1st round pick..


your basically under a microscope for the entire season everyone trying to find weaknesses and flaws in your game. It usually doesn't turn out well.

[adamprez2003]

I love the guy's physical attributes but I have a little question about his instincts. He seems like a great athelete but is a little slow sometimes picking up the flow of the play.

[Patriots16-0]

I want this guy for the Pats.