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OSUGiants17
01-09-2008, 03:34 PM
here it is (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=3186264) I aggre with it for the most part. How bout you?

fenikz
01-09-2008, 03:44 PM
Switch USC and Oklahoma, & WVU should be a lot higher imo

TouchdownUSC
01-09-2008, 03:53 PM
These rankings are laughable. Missouri over USC??? Any ranking that doesnt have USC, Florida and Georgia in the top 3 is humerous. I dont care what order you place them in but I do feel those have to be the top 3 teams next year for the preseason polls.

MaxV
01-09-2008, 04:03 PM
The author of this article is acctually mistaken.

With Daryll Clark, who'll be a senior next season, slated to replace Morelli, offensive coordinator Galen Hall might opt for a spread attack in 2008.

Acctually, Clark will be redshirt Junior next season.

VoteLynnSwan
01-09-2008, 04:08 PM
i accept Illinois at 23, but they will climb higher than that during the season... Wisconsin is way too high in my opinion though.

GB12
01-09-2008, 04:18 PM
i accept Illinois at 23, but they will climb higher than that during the season... Wisconsin is way too high in my opinion though.
Honestly I was shocked to see us that high. I think we can climb up there, but we don't really deserve it to start the season. The defense is a huge question mark. We'll have a very inexperienced secondary that will give up big plays. Offensively we're pretty much set though. The RB group that we have is outstanding. PJ Hill, Lance Smith, Zach Brown, and now John Clay should join in the mix.

iowatreat54
01-09-2008, 04:21 PM
seeing USC at 5 is enough for me to dismiss these rankings, I didn't even look past that

vatech=accdomination
01-09-2008, 04:43 PM
Thats about right for VT when you look at their schedule.

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
01-09-2008, 04:46 PM
Eh, #8 is fair enough for LSU because of concerns about the defense. I actually think the offense will be even better with Perrilloux and Keiland instead of Flynn & Hester. But yeah, the defense is cause for a little concern...

keylime_5
01-09-2008, 04:47 PM
I will guarantee that Clemson does not lose less than 3 games next year.

BamaFalcon59
01-09-2008, 05:00 PM
Virginia Tech. is much too high. Our offense should be better, but we are losing at least 7 starters on one of the top defenses the top 3 years. If Macho Harris leaves we will only be returning 3 defensive starters, those being the worst on our defense except Kam Chancellor. I mean the Martin brothers are fine but not at the top of our defense. And our special team return men Eddie Royal and Josh Morgan are leaving. Losing our top 4 wide receivers. Florida State, Clemson, and Virginia should all be stiff competitors in the ACC.

On the bright side four out of five players on the offensive line will return, Tyrod Taylor's role should definitely increase and he will improve, Sean Glennon improved last year, and Brandon Ore should return. And explosive runningback true freshman Ryan Williams should get a lot of time next year.

kwilk103
01-09-2008, 05:02 PM
wvu way to low

reynaud can come back

defense loses several starters, but we rotate a lot, so they new guys have tons of playing time; plus they are a lot more athletic

soybean
01-09-2008, 05:04 PM
no california golden bears, dang.

no nate longshore should at least shoot you up rankings about 5-10 spots.

TouchdownUSC
01-09-2008, 05:06 PM
I can't understand for the life of me why USC is 5? i mean, its not as though Sanchez is a total question mark as he started in 3 games last season and looked great. I actually think with our defense pretty much all returning except for Sedrick Ellis and Lawarence Jackson we will lose nobody. I mean, even Lawarence Jackson is being replaced by Everson Griffin who i think has the potential to be one of the top defensive ends next year. We only really lose Sam Baker on the O-line and he has been so injured this year it wont make any difference.

Offensively I think USC will be much better than this year. I like Sanchez as a QB more than Booty and I definately like McKnight and Stafon better than Chauncey so the offense should be way better than last year. With Damien Williams coming on and Turner, Hazelton and Ausberry improving and WR we should be good. I really believe next year's SC team will be significantly better than this years team.

TouchdownUSC
01-09-2008, 05:07 PM
no california golden bears, dang.

no nate longshore should at least shoot you up rankings about 5-10 spots.

Ha, Riley deserves to start over Longshore if he does good in summer camp.

volman88
01-09-2008, 05:14 PM
Tennessee not even ranked, not gonna happen

soybean
01-09-2008, 05:18 PM
Ha, Riley deserves to start over Longshore if he does good in summer camp.

ya, especially how he played against air force. on the cal boards they were comparing all the Pac-10 qbs and in all the fourth quarters longshore has played in he has 1:13 td:INT ratio.

badgerbacker
01-09-2008, 05:25 PM
Honestly I was shocked to see us that high. I think we can climb up there, but we don't really deserve it to start the season. The defense is a huge question mark. We'll have a very inexperienced secondary that will give up big plays. Offensively we're pretty much set though. The RB group that we have is outstanding. PJ Hill, Lance Smith, Zach Brown, and now John Clay should join in the mix.It worries me a little to see us that high, because it seems like Wisconsin never lives up to expectations when they are set high at the beginning of the season. I was guessing for a 15-20 ranking, so this isn't too far out of the range I expected.

Our offense should be very good. We lose only one starter on the line, return all of our running backs and introduce John Clay after a year of practicing. With the injuries our receivers sustained this year, the young guys stepped up and gained valuable experience and we also have some talented players that have been redshirted at the receiver spot as well (Nick Toon and Lance Kendricks unless they've moved him to TE). We are also returning Travis Beckum who was 18 yards shy of a 1000 yard season from the tight end spot. I really believe that Evridge will be a slight upgrade over Donovan. He has a better arm, more mobility, and the coaches said at the beginning of last year that he is a better leader.

On the other side of the ball, I'm predicting our defense will either be as productive, or just slightly less than it was this year. Obviously the big loss was Jack Ikegwuonu, the only other significant player lost was Nick Hayden. The Hayden departure shouldn't cause much of an impact because of the rotation we had along the defensive line all season. Ikegwuonu, however, will be a big loss. Our second cornerback, who will presumably move into the number one spot next year, is Allen Langford. Langford struggled all year and will not be able to simply lock on and shut down anybody like Jack was cabable of. I'm hoping that the overall maturing of everyone on the defense, as well as Jonathan Casillas and DeAndre Levy becoming better leaders, will offset the loss of Ikegwuonu.

toonsterwu
01-09-2008, 05:39 PM
I looked at it yesterday, don't remember exactly where UVA was (19-23 somewhere), but that sounds about right for UVA. Had Branden Albert stayed, I would've thought we would be in a couple notches higher, but without him, we have to replace 3 interior lineman, always a tricky task. Offensively, the development of Rashawn Jackson/Keith Payne could give us some power to go with Cedric and Mikell, but for the offense to really improve, Jameel Sewell has to improve as a passer. Defensively, the loss of Chris Long hurts, but I still stand by what I said awhile back ... our DL next year could be better than this year. Gottschalk has a lot of promise, Collins/Fitzgerald will have had another year, Nick Jenkins gets in on the action as well, and a couple other guys. The LB's look fine, loss of Dias is eminently replaceable from our class last year. The secondary should be better with experience, and as solid as Lyles was, someone, perhaps J'Courtney Williams, can probably step in and be fine.

princefielder28
01-09-2008, 05:57 PM
It worries me a little to see us that high, because it seems like Wisconsin never lives up to expectations when they are set high at the beginning of the season. I was guessing for a 15-20 ranking, so this isn't too far out of the range I expected.

Our offense should be very good. We lose only one starter on the line, return all of our running backs and introduce John Clay after a year of practicing. With the injuries our receivers sustained this year, the young guys stepped up and gained valuable experience and we also have some talented players that have been redshirted at the receiver spot as well (Nick Toon and Lance Kendricks unless they've moved him to TE). We are also returning Travis Beckum who was 18 yards shy of a 1000 yard season from the tight end spot. I really believe that Evridge will be a slight upgrade over Donovan. He has a better arm, more mobility, and the coaches said at the beginning of last year that he is a better leader.

On the other side of the ball, I'm predicting our defense will either be as productive, or just slightly less than it was this year. Obviously the big loss was Jack Ikegwuonu, the only other significant player lost was Nick Hayden. The Hayden departure shouldn't cause much of an impact because of the rotation we had along the defensive line all season. Ikegwuonu, however, will be a big loss. Our second cornerback, who will presumably move into the number one spot next year, is Allen Langford. Langford struggled all year and will not be able to simply lock on and shut down anybody like Jack was cabable of. I'm hoping that the overall maturing of everyone on the defense, as well as Jonathan Casillas and DeAndre Levy becoming better leaders, will offset the loss of Ikegwuonu.

I would not be suprised to see incoming FR. Devin Smith to compete for playing time right away

wiscbadgerfootball
01-09-2008, 07:33 PM
i accept Illinois at 23, but they will climb higher than that during the season... Wisconsin is way too high in my opinion though.

I agree.. we are too high

BuckNaked
01-09-2008, 08:34 PM
I think we'll be seeing UK up there with a week 1 victory over Louisville.

Xiomera
01-09-2008, 08:41 PM
21. Michigan

There will be a lot of uncertainty at Michigan, as new coach Rich Rodriguez tries to install his spread offense. The Wolverines lose quarterback Chad Henne (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=160898), left tackle Jake Long and tailback Mike Hart (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=160897). Top receivers Mario Manningham (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=180763) and Adrian Arrington (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=160889) might forgo their senior seasons and enter the NFL draft. Will Rodriguez persuade quarterback Ryan Mallett (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=232007) to stay, and can the new coach recruit highly regarded prospect Terrelle Pryor to run his offense in Ann Arbor? The Wolverines will suffer heavy personnel losses on defense, too, with linebacker Shawn Crable and both safeties leaving. Tackle Terrance Taylor is still undecided on whether he'll return for his senior season.

Is there any reason in this paragraph to support Michigan being in the top 25? All it lists are all the great players we're losing to graduation, transfer, or early entry to the draft . . .

As big a U-M fan as I am, I can't rank Michigan in the top 25 personally.

doingthisinsteadofwork
01-09-2008, 08:43 PM
ya, especially how he played against air force. on the cal boards they were comparing all the Pac-10 qbs and in all the fourth quarters longshore has played in he has 1:13 td:INT ratio.I expect that its because we wont have Hawkins and Jordan back next year.And we might not have Desean back either.

Sniper
01-09-2008, 09:14 PM
Is there any reason in this paragraph to support Michigan being in the top 25? All it lists are all the great players we're losing to graduation, transfer, or early entry to the draft . . .

As big a U-M fan as I am, I can't rank Michigan in the top 25 personally.

Name brand carries something for these people I guess. I don't think we should be in the top 25 either

Good to see PSU is really going balls out with their OOC schedule again...Coastal Carolina, Oregon State, Temple and Syracuse OH BABY!

P-L
01-09-2008, 09:31 PM
I think Michigan's schedule is weak enough that we can squeeze in the 20-25 range by season's end. It will be an adjustment year for sure, but the schedule is set up nicely and we should only lose 4 games, 5 at the most.

My Top Five:

1. Georgia
2. Southern Cal
3. Florida
4. Oklahoma
5. Missouri

soybean
01-09-2008, 10:20 PM
Name brand carries something for these people I guess. I don't think we should be in the top 25 either

Good to see PSU is really going balls out with their OOC schedule again...Coastal Carolina, Oregon State, Temple and Syracuse OH BABY!

PSU plays oregon state this year? chop that up as a loss for PSU. =D

Michigan
01-09-2008, 10:32 PM
Is there any reason in this paragraph to support Michigan being in the top 25? All it lists are all the great players we're losing to graduation, transfer, or early entry to the draft . . .


Well the D should be good/great, as long as we don't fully convert to the 3-3-5 (I've heard some noise that we might not switch at all, which would be awesome). Mallett's departure leaves a very bad feeling in my stomach though. Cone has a great arm but is immobile and has little experience, and Threet is... Threet =\.

619
01-09-2008, 10:33 PM
USC at #5?? Id have them atleast at #2 and if they had a proven QB I wouldnt hesitate to put them #1.

DChess
01-09-2008, 10:49 PM
I think Michigan's schedule is weak enough that we can squeeze in the 20-25 range by season's end. It will be an adjustment year for sure, but the schedule is set up nicely and we should only lose 4 games, 5 at the most.

My Top Five:

1. Georgia
2. Southern Cal
3. Florida
4. Oklahoma
5. Missouri


your sig should say "Michigan- Embarrassing D1-A Football Since 2007"

jballa838
01-09-2008, 11:11 PM
early odds in vegas for BCS championship Odds:
http://www.sportsbook.com/sportsbook/popup_cbb_080108.php
USC 3:1
Florida 6:1
Ohio State 6:1
Oklahoma 8:1
Georgia 8:1
LSU 10:1
West Virginia 15:1
Texas 20:1
Any other team not listed above 25:1
Ask me for any other team

Sportsfan486
01-09-2008, 11:50 PM
early odds in vegas for BCS championship Odds:
http://www.sportsbook.com/sportsbook/popup_cbb_080108.php
USC 3:1
Florida 6:1
Ohio State 6:1
Oklahoma 8:1
Georgia 8:1
LSU 10:1
West Virginia 15:1
Texas 20:1
Any other team 25:1

If we believe ESPN, it's time to go put some bets down on Mizzou, Clemson and Arizona State! ...wait.. ESPN has Clemson and Arizona State in the top 10? Wtf?

TouchdownUSC
01-10-2008, 12:40 AM
My list goes:

1. Georgia
2. USC
3. Florida
4. West Virginia
5. Ohio State
6. Oklahoma
7. Missouri

G-Men88
01-10-2008, 01:05 AM
Where's Notre Dame

TouchdownUSC
01-10-2008, 01:21 AM
Where's Notre Dame

at the bottom of the barrell...

Sniper
01-10-2008, 06:50 AM
your sig should say "Michigan- Embarrassing D1-A Football Since 2007"

Yeah let's ask the Gators about that one.

G-Men88
01-10-2008, 12:21 PM
at the bottom of the barrell...

This year was a rebuilding year, I honestly think with another year to learn Weis' system Claussen could lead us to the top 25. Nothing great, but maybe the bottom of the top 25 at the end of the year.

Sniper
01-10-2008, 12:42 PM
This year was a rebuilding year, I honestly think with another year to learn Weis' system Claussen could lead us to the top 25. Nothing great, but maybe the bottom of the top 25 at the end of the year.

I'd be more worried about finding a mentally competent O line rather than worrying about the QB

vatech=accdomination
01-10-2008, 12:49 PM
Virginia Tech. is much too high. Our offense should be better, but we are losing at least 7 starters on one of the top defenses the top 3 years. If Macho Harris leaves we will only be returning 3 defensive starters, those being the worst on our defense except Kam Chancellor. I mean the Martin brothers are fine but not at the top of our defense. And our special team return men Eddie Royal and Josh Morgan are leaving. Losing our top 4 wide receivers. Florida State, Clemson, and Virginia should all be stiff competitors in the ACC.

On the bright side four out of five players on the offensive line will return, Tyrod Taylor's role should definitely increase and he will improve, Sean Glennon improved last year, and Brandon Ore should return. And explosive runningback true freshman Ryan Williams should get a lot of time next year.

look at the schedule, they will probably be favored in every game

Turtlepower
01-10-2008, 01:33 PM
ASU does not deserve to be in the top-10. As much as I love this team, we showed that we were not able to win games against the best teams. With that said, I don't care much about preseason rankings because all that matters for ASU is beating Georgia. If we are able to do that, then we will definitely deserve whatever ranking we get.

Also, I guarantee LSU has at least 3 losses next year, my guess being 4 losses.

jballa838
01-10-2008, 05:46 PM
Where's Notre Dame
Notre Dame is a 60-1 shot

TouchdownUSC
01-10-2008, 05:59 PM
This year was a rebuilding year, I honestly think with another year to learn Weis' system Claussen could lead us to the top 25. Nothing great, but maybe the bottom of the top 25 at the end of the year.


you know what, im actually one of the few trojans who doesnt despise notre dame. i used to hate them but we went to a game and they were some of the nicest people out of any fans i've ever met. after that game i wish them nothing but well as long as they don't beat USC when we play. i actually have much more hate for UCLA much more but love the SC-Notre Dame rivalry because of its historic tradition. as for next season i agree if clausen gets it together ND might break the top 25 but i'd be suprised if they finish higher than 23.

504 to ATL
01-10-2008, 08:39 PM
How anyone can make pre season rankings now befuddles me. We dont even know who all is going pro from each team.

Take Clemson for instance.

TouchdownUSC
01-11-2008, 12:13 PM
How anyone can make pre season rankings now befuddles me. We dont even know who all is going pro from each team.

Take Clemson for instance.

you can get a good idea and some have already said they wont declare this year. there are teams you just cant ignore that return to many key players next season.

Rich Jr
01-11-2008, 01:08 PM
early odds in vegas for BCS championship Odds:
http://www.sportsbook.com/sportsbook/popup_cbb_080108.php
USC 3:1
Florida 6:1
Ohio State 6:1
Oklahoma 8:1
Georgia 8:1
LSU 10:1
West Virginia 15:1
Texas 20:1
Any other team not listed above 25:1
Ask me for any other team10:1?

I have $300 down on the Tigers.

Turtlepower
01-11-2008, 01:11 PM
10:1?

I have $300 down on the Tigers.

If you are serious, that is definitely a mistake. The Tigers won't even be competing for the SEC West next year. My guess is they will have four losses with losing so many starters on defense as well as key starters on offense. LSU will be top-10 in the polls when the season starts, but by the time it ends, they shouldn't be in the polls or no higher than the 20s.

Thunder&Lightning
01-11-2008, 02:48 PM
Switch USC and Oklahoma, & WVU should be a lot higher imo

agree WVU is going to be nasty next year

BamaFalcon59
01-11-2008, 04:45 PM
Honestly if I bet on a team to make it next year I would take Ohio State. Returning most everybody and the Big 10 is a joke. I doubt Wisconsin can take them and Illinois is too inconsistent. Rich Rodriguez won't be able to beat Ohio State in year one.

504 to ATL
01-12-2008, 03:35 AM
The Tigers won't even be competing for the SEC West next year.

Who is going to be ahead of them in the west? Auburn, they have a new offense and QB, will be rough at the start for them. Arky, losing DMC. Alabama, you cant be serious.

My guess is they will have four losses with losing so many starters on defense

Hmmm, they do lose defensive talent, but the only question mark is the CB position. Having to replace both corners will be bothersome, but other than that position there is little to no drop off. They do have some stellar young talent at CB, but yes they are raw and inexperienced.

I believe of the 2 LB's leaving Highsmith is the only one better than the backups.

And Steltz leaving at safety might even be an improvement, Coleman showed his talent in the National Championship. Plus this might allow Chad Jones to see the field more, and he is definitely more of an athlete than Steltz.

Losing Dorsey for LSU is no problem except for his leadership. LSU is so deep at D-Line, they have RJF back for the entire year, and Alexander will actually be playing since he wont be injured.

as well as key starters on offense. LSU will be top-10 in the polls when the season starts, but by the time it ends, they shouldn't be in the polls or no higher than the 20s.

Perrilloux >>>>> Flynn, nuf said. He is 100X more dangerous behind center than Flynn. Losing Doucet is once again not much of a problem since he was injured for so many games this year. Hester is not as dangerous as Scott, or Williams, but is vastly more reliable/dependable.

On offense you are gaining talent and scoring threats, but losing leadership.

Patriots16-0
01-12-2008, 09:16 AM
BYU at #18? Fresno State at #25? Lol.

Tampa 2 4 life
01-12-2008, 05:20 PM
I never understand why People do this before Signing Day...

Patriots16-0
01-14-2008, 09:33 AM
Where's Notre Dame

At #120. Remember that there are only 119 teams in Div I-A. By the way:

#1 Georgia
#2 LSU
#3 USC
#4 Ohio State
#5 Kansas
#6 West Virginia
#7 Missouri
#8 Virginia Tech
#9 Florida
#10 Illinois

Sniper
01-14-2008, 09:42 AM
At #120. Remember that there are only 119 teams in Div I-A. By the way:

#1 Georgia
#2 LSU
#3 USC
#4 Ohio State
#5 Kansas
#6 West Virginia
#7 Missouri
#8 Virginia Tech
#9 Florida
#10 Illinois

Actually I think Western Kentucky joined D-1 so there are 120 I think.

Patriots16-0
01-14-2008, 09:45 AM
Actually I think Western Kentucky joined D-1 so there are 120 I think.

Oh yeah. I forgot it. So it's 120 teams:

#118 Eastern Michigan
#119 Western Kentucky
#121 Notre Dame