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SuperKevin
01-15-2008, 01:37 AM
Here is a kickass 3 round mock from DChess and myself. The picks were combined effort.

Round One

1. Miami Dolphins-Chris Long DE Virginia
It's probably a guarentee that the Dolphins will run a 3-4 defense under Bill Parcells and Chris Long has four years of experience playing in a NFL style 3-4 defense while someone like Glenn Dorsey would have to adjust to a new role. It's also hard to argue the fact that Bill Parcells has a very good relationship with Chris Long's former coach at Virginia, Al Groh.

2. St. Louis Rams- Vernon Gholston DE Ohio State
It's hard not to take Glenn Dorsey here but looking at the Rams roster, they appear to have some solid young talent at DT in Adam Carriker, Clifton Ryan, and Claude Wroten. Then you have to notice that both starting DEs are over 30 years old and are coming off of down years. Vernon Gholston is going to be a combine superstar who's combination of speed and power could be too much for a team that struggled getting to the QB as much as the Rams did,to pass up.

3. Atlanta Falcons- Glenn Dorsey DT LSU
Three defensive linemen in a row? Believe it. The Atlanta Falcons finished 26th in the NFL in rushing defense this year and adding arguably the best interior lineman in the draft is always a good way to fix that. Putting Dorsey on the line should also help last years top pick, Jamaal Anderson impove his numbers in 2008 as he no longer becomes the focal point of opposing blockers. This running back class is deep enough that the Falcons can somehow pass on Darren McFadden and find a talented runner to pair with Jerious Norwood later in the draft.

4. Oakland Raiders- Sedrick Ellis DT Southern California
Warren Sapp has retired from a defensive unit that was 31st in the league in rushing defense so it seems only natural to replace him with a guy like Sedrick Ellis, who is essentially a younger Warren Sapp. It's hard to argue that Al Davis and Lane Kiffin would pass up on the familiar player in Ellis, especially since he has the potential to be even better than Glenn Dorsey.

5. Kansas City Chiefs- Jake Long OT Michigan
Really a no-brainer here. Jake Long has the talent to be the number one overall selection and if a run oriented team like the Kansas City Chiefs have the opportunity to take him at 5, they would be fools not to take him. The Chiefs' offense was slowed by the combination of an injury to Larry Johnson and poor offensive line play so getting their franchise LT here would be amazing for this franchise.

6. New York Jets- Darren McFadden RB Arkansas
Probably the most talented player in the draft and the Jets manage to take him really as BPA at 6 overall. The Jets finished 2007 ranked 19th in rushing offense and starter Thomas Jones only had one touchdown with and average of 3.6 yards a carry. The success of the two back system in recent years definately makes this a possibility if the Jets aren't able to trade down. The Jets now get a playmaker here that they can turn into the next big marketable star in New York City.

7. New England Patriots (via San Fransisco)- Mike Jenkins CB South Florida
The Patriots are actually screwed for once with the decisions of Malcolm Jenkins and James Laurinaitis to return to school. The Patriots are now forced to reach a bit to fill their needs. However, there has never been a team more comfortable with reaching on a draft pick than the Patriots, who reach to draft Mike Jenkins. Mike Jenkins, has now moved into the #1 CB spot on most draft boards and should be an excellent replacement for Asante Samuel should he leave in Free Agency.

8. Baltimore Ravens- Matt Ryan QB Boston College
Troy Smith may have ended the season on a positive note but there is an entirely new coaching staff coming in that may choose to start fresh with their own quarterback. If that's the case, Matt Ryan is an excellent QB with all the potential to come in an start right away. The only other player we could consider giving the Ravens here is Jonathan Stewart to pair with Willis McGahee in a 2 back system but we feel they have too big of a need at QB to invest a top 10 pick on a RB here.

9. Cincinnati Bengals- Ryan Clady OT Boise State
If I had to find one thing to blame for the Bengals piss poor season it'd have to be the running game. Bringing in a quality OT in Ryan Clady should help them get the blocking needed to improve their run game. Clady has the athleticism to play LT in the pros but we feel he's probably going to be more successful at RT which is perfect becasue starting RT Willie Anderson is going to be 33 years old at the start of the season.

10. New Orleans Saints-Keith Rivers OLB Southern California
Ok, thanks to a deep linebacker class that's weak at the top, the Saints are forced to reach a bit for Keith Rivers. It's not a horrible decision given the absolute mess their linebacker corps is in at the moment. Rivers will be instant playmaker and leader to their defense that they are currently missing.

11. Buffalo Bills-Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma
The Bills defense played surprisingly well during an injury plagued 2007 season but the offense really took a step back. The passing game never really got into a rhythm and adding a talented WR like Malcolm Kelly would make things a hell of a lot easier on Trent Edwards in his second season. Kelly is a tall WR with surprising speed that would be an excellent compliment to Lee Evans.

12. Denver Broncos- Kentwan Balmer DT North Carolina
At this stage of the draft process, Balmer at 12 is a MAJOR reach but he is a player that has the potential to go this high with a strong Senior Bowl week and Combine. He's one of the most intriguing prospects in the draft and it's hard to argue that the Broncos and their 30th ranked run defense couldn't use him on the defensive line.

13. Carolina Panthers- Kenny Phillips S Miami
While one could argue that no team had less stability at quarterback than the Carolina Panthers, this team ultimately has way too much money tied up in the quarterback position to give another quarterback first round money. They also should be able to get a healthy Jake Delhomme back in 2008 so all is not lost. With that said, safety is a weak spot for the Panthers and kenny Phillips is a playmaker who can contribute at either safety position.

14. Chicago Bears- Brian Brohm QB Louisville
For the last few years, the Chicago Bears have had to suffer through poor decision making and weak accuracy from the quarterback position. Drafting Brian Brohm should hopefully put an end to that and give the Bears the best quarterback they've had in years.

15. Detroit Lions- Jeff Otah OT Pittsburgh
The running game was horrible ranked 31st in the league but with the depth at RB in this years draft, I think they can afford to wait a bit to take a RB. They did however, also give up 54 sacks this year so bringing in a stud OT like Otah is probably their best move. With Otah they get a guy who can play either OT spot and protect the QB as well as pave the way for the running game to improve.

16. Arizona Cardinals- Rashad Mendenhall RB Illinois
The Arizona Cardinals struggled on the ground finishing up ranked 29th in the NFL in rushing offense. Add to that the fact that Edgerrin James is turning 30 this year and you have an obvious need at running back. We ultimately decided to go with Mendenhall over Stewart here because we feel his ability to be a factor in the passing game will help the development of Matt Leinart as well.

17. Minnesota Vikings- Leodis McKelvin CB Troy
The Vikings were dead last in the NFL in pass defense this year. McKelvin is a small school guy who is shooting up draft boards with his potential. A good Senior Bowl week and Combine would justify him being drafted in the top 20. Should immediately contribute either as a starter or as the nickle back.

18. Houston Texans- Aqib Talib CB Kansas
The Texans were 25th in the NFL in pass defense in 2007. Aqib Talib is a tall playmaking cornerback to pair with Dunta Robinson to help improve a very weak secondary in Houston. Talib's major weakness, matching up with speed WRs, is hardly exploited in the AFC South.

19. Philadelphia Eagles- Calais Campbell DE Miami
DEs Jevon Kearse and Darren Howard are getting old and are on the decline so bringing in Calais Campbell would be an excellent move for the Eagles. At 19, he provides excellent value and has the size and speed to be an every down DE along with an improving Trent Cole.

20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers- Michael Oher OT Mississippi
The Buccaneers are fairly thin and weak at OT and Michael Oher is by far a huge upgrade over the guys they already have. Oher would step into the starting lineup immediately and hopefully help Cadillac Williams get his career back on track.

21. Washington Redskins- Derrick Harvey DE Florida
The Redskins have lacked a real presence on the edge for years and they finally decide to do something about it early in the draft. Derrick Harvey is a pure pass rusher who should instantly help the Redskins defense in a division dominated by solid passing attacks.

22. Dallas Cowboys (via Cleveland)- Felix Jones RB Arkansas
Dallas' offense has thrived with the success of the 2 RB system they run. It allows their RBs to stay fresh late in games. With that said, I feel Julius Jones is likely not to be back with the team next year and a replacement RB will be needed. They already have a power back in Marion Barber III so drafting a speedy home run threat like Felix Jones makes a lot of sense. Jones also can contribute as a KR.

23. Seattle Seahawks- Jonathan Stewart RB Oregon
This is a fairly trendy pick in mock drafts these days. Shaun Alexander isn't getting any younger or healthier and Jonathan Stewart is a local product that would be a marketing dream in Seattle. He would probably sit behind Alexander for a year before taking over as the starter full time in his second year.

24. Pittsburgh Steelers- Sam Baker OT Southern California
The Steelers need help on the offensive line, especially in pass protection. Ben Roethlisberger was sacked way too many times this year. Drafting Sam Baker to play LT and moving Marvel Smith to his natural spot at RT seems to make the most sense here.

25. Tennessee Titans- Limas Sweed WR Texas
Granted there may be a few WRs available with more potential than Limas Sweed but there are few that are as ready to contribute immediatly as Sweed is. Sweed is a big bodied WR who can be used all over the field and has great hands. Sweed was a great WR for Vince Young at Texas and I don't see why he can't be a great target for him in the NFL as well.

26. New York Giants- Antoine Cason CB Arizona
The Giants decided to make it back to back Thorpe Award winners in the 1st round by drafting Antoine Cason. Cason is a strong leader with excellent cover skills and hands. He should be an immediate contributor to the Giants' weak secondary, especially in the pass heavy NFC East.

27. San Diego Chargers- Gosder Cherilus OT Boston College
The Chargers offensive line has really been disappointing this season after having an amazing year in 2006. RT Shane Olivea lost his job early so there is need for a RT and Gosder Cherlius is the best available. He is a solid blocker with a mean streak that will be welcome in San Diego. Cherilus should help keep Ladanian Tomlinson from being routinely hit at the line of scrimmage.

28. Jacksonville Jaguars- Phillip Merling DE Clemson
The Jaguars already have a ton of size at DT, now they decide to add some size outside by drafting Phillip Merling at DE. Merling is a big athletic DE with the size to be a great run stuffer and the speed to constantly be in the backfield. He should be a huge upgrade at DE for the Jags.

29. Dallas Cowboys- Jack Ikegwuonwu CB Wisconsin
I've mentioned it a few times so far that the NFC East is a strong passing division so it's only logial that the Cowboys should address their issues in the secondary. Jack Ikegwuonwu is a big playmer at CB with the excellent man coverage skills that the Cowboys are currently lacking. He'd be an immediate starter over Jaque Reeves.

30. San Francisco 49ers (via Indianapolis)- James Hardy WR Indiana
The 49ers haven't had a true #1 WR since Terrell Owens was in town and while James Hardy might not be a guarenteed #1 WR he's pretty close. His size and speed will be a welcome addition to a 49ers team that struggled to get anything done in the air. Alex Smith might finally have his go to red zone WR he's been missing in his young career.

31. Green Bay Packers- Charles Godfrey CB Iowa
The Packers surprisingly have very little needs considering they weren't expected to be very good this year. One position of need you could make an argument for is CB where both starters are over 30 years old. Charles Godfrey is a player who really broke out in 2007 and has one of the best combinations of size and speed in the draft. He could learn a lot for playing under Al Harris and Charles Woodson.

32. Forfeited because the Patriots cheat


Round 2

33. Miami Dolphins- Adarrius Bowman WR Oklahoma State
If Miami wants John Beck to succeed they will need to surround him with some more alent. Bowman is a big WR who provides excellent balance to the speed of Ted Ginn Jr.

34. St. Louis Rams- Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt
Injuries at RB may have been a major reason why the Rams had a horrible rushing attack this year but injuries to the OL were just as devastating. Chris Williams is an athletic OT that will provide excellent depth at either tackle spot as well as provide the ability to start if needed.

35. Atlanta Falcons- Andre Woodson QB Kentucky
Wow. Atlanta passes on taking a quarterback of the future in round one and still manages to get first round talent early in round 2. Andre Woodson, despite his slow release, is a huge steal here in the 2nd round for Atlanta.

36. Oakland Raiders- Mario Manningham WR Michigan
Oakland has done a great job at getting talented young players on defense so now it's time to start on offense. As of now, JaMarcus Russell doesn't have a go to WR and Mario Manningham could be that guy, especially if he runs that rumored sub 4.4 40 yard dash.

37. Kansas City Chiefs- Pat Sims DT Auburn
Will Kansas City freak out to see another DT named Sims? Not oncethey see that Pat Sims is the real deal. Excellent blend of size and athleticism at DT and should be a starter from day one in Kansas City.

38. New York Jets- Fred Davis TE Southern California
Another pick on offense for the Jets that are doing whatever they can to get New York interested in Jets football again. Davis is exactly the guy the Jets need at TE to strecth opposing defense and provide a reliable target for whoever they play at quarterback in 2008.

39. San Francisco 49ers- Dre Moore DT/DE Maryland
The 49ers need some help along the defensive line, especially with Bryant Young retiring. Dre Moore is an athletic DT that has the ability to play DE in the 3-4 defense in a role similar to Luis Castillo in San Diego.

40. Baltimore Ravens- Brandon Flowers CB Virginia Tech
The Ravens are going into 2008 with Chris McAllister, who is in his 30s, and an epileptic Samari Rolle as their starting CBs. Bringing Brandon Flowers in here would be an excellent depth move and give them a young player who can start in a year or two.

41. Cincinatti Bengals- Dan Connor OLB Penn State
Dan Connor has fallen a bit in this mock draft but the Bengals have HUGE needs at OLB and Dan Connor would be a perfect fit in Marvin Lewis' defense. Should be an immediate starter and draft day steal here in the 2nd round.

42. New Orleans Saints- Curtis Lofton MLB Oklahoma
The Saints take a linebacker for the second pick in a row with Oklahmoa MLB Curtis Lofton. Lofton is a tackling machine that will be a solid presnce in the middle of the field. We feel his upside is around the same as Demeco Ryans' which isn't too bad for the Saints.

43. Buffalo Bills- Erin Henderson OLB Maryland
The Bills defense really stepped up when players went out with injuries this year but they could still use some help at OLB. Henderson is a sound tackler that provides moderate big play potential who should be able to contribute immediately.

44. Denver Broncos- Ali Highsmith OLB LSU
The Broncos were horrible at run defense in 2007 and they need to improve if they want to contain guys in their division like LT and Larry Johnson. Ali Highsmith is a tackling machine with strong leadership skills who should be able to start from the beginning for the Broncos.

45. Carolina Panthers- Martellus Bennett TE Texas A&M
The Panthers have lacked a quality TE on offense since Wesley Walls retired several years ago. Martellus Bennett is a huge target who has the size and speed to create mismatches on offense.

46. Chicago Bears- Jamaal Charles RB Texas
Anyone else notice that the Bears went to the Super Bowl with the two back set but when they got rid of Thomas Jones, they dropped to 30th in the NFL in rushing offense? Bringing in Charles continues to add speed to a dangerous bears offense, making an excellent 2 back set with fellow Longhorn Cedric Benson.

47. Detroit Lions- Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB Tennesee St.
The Lions really need playmakers in the secondary and Cromartie has excellent size and speed at CB. He's a small school player that really has a shot at making a huge impact.

48. Arizona Cardinals- Patrick Lee CB Auburn
Lee is a prospect that wasn't on many radars at the beginning of the year but had a strong senior year and has emerged as one of the top senior CBs in the draft. He has good size and speed.

49. Minnesota Vikings- Quentin Groves DE Auburn
The Vikings have one of the worst pass defenses in the league and a lot of it has to do with poor pass rush. Groves is a nightmare on the edge who should fix any and all pass rush issues the Vikings have.

50. Atlanta Falcons(via Houston)- Anthony Collins OT Kansas
The Falcons really could use a new LT with the ZBS no longer in effect in Atlanta. Anthony Collins is a player we feel has solid LT potential and should be good value here in the middle of round 2. he could have been a 1st rounder in 2009 so the Falcons might as well take him here at a reduced salary.

51. Philadelphia Eagles- Jarod Mayo MLB Tennessee
The Eagles have some needs at MLB and Jarod Mayo is an absolute steal this late in the 2nd round. Mayo should be able to compete for the starting spot as a rookie.

SuperKevin
01-15-2008, 10:40 PM
I guess I'll open this for comments. I was holding off until we finished it but that might not happen now

Caddy
01-15-2008, 10:43 PM
I don't think the Buccaneers are necessarily 'thin' at offensive tackle, it is just that a long term starter hasn't established themselves yet. Michael Oher is a decent pick for that reason.

fenikz
01-15-2008, 10:45 PM
Although this class is deep at CB it is even deeper at RB give the Cardinals McKelvin there, all the scouts seems to like him, I still haven't seen him play but CB is far in a way our biggest need, then a guy like Charles Rice or Davis in the 2nd

bored of education
01-15-2008, 10:45 PM
YAY LONG FOR KC!!!!!!!!!!!

<3 you two

diabsoule
01-15-2008, 10:50 PM
Absolutely love the Saints pick. Great job there.

DChess
01-15-2008, 10:53 PM
we're working on round 2 as we speak.

princefielder28
01-15-2008, 10:55 PM
Not a big fan of Godfrey....I know CB is a need but that would be a big reach

comahan
01-15-2008, 11:00 PM
Talib wouldnt pair with Dunta. Dunta is out until midseason, and we have a good #2 corner in Fred Bennett, played very very well this year as a rookie.

Yung Flippa
01-15-2008, 11:01 PM
Decent Ravens pick....hopefully we trade down and take a corner though. Solid Texans pick, but Stewart might be more tempting to fill a bigger need.

bored of education
01-15-2008, 11:02 PM
Brandon Flowers round 2 for KC hi!

DLionALL
01-15-2008, 11:04 PM
Pretty good Eagles pick. I wouldn't be overjoyed with Campbell, but it's not bad at all and likely based on Reids draft's before.

roidrunner
01-15-2008, 11:16 PM
i can live with the packs pick would rather have cason or Ike but they are gone, so godfrey is good. i can see him shooting up some peoples draft boards

Vikes99ej
01-15-2008, 11:39 PM
The worst pick for the Vikings that I've seen for a 2008 mock draft. The pass defense has more to do with the inabilities of our defensive ends than it does with our cornerbacks. We already have two young and promising corners. Give us Harvey or Campbell.

jayceheathman
01-15-2008, 11:59 PM
Talib wouldnt pair with Dunta. Dunta is out until midseason, and we have a good #2 corner in Fred Bennett, played very very well this year as a rookie.

I dont think Talib will go that high. There is better value still on the board in your draft. Jonathan Stewart and even Limas Sweed seem like more sense. Someone on offense is needed to take the pressure off of AJ.

DaBear89
01-16-2008, 12:01 AM
Oher doesn't make it past 14

KCJ58
01-16-2008, 12:18 AM
i know SK was the brains behind this operation ;) LOVE THE RAMS PICK

junior2430
01-16-2008, 12:23 AM
I don't really like th reach for Balmer at 12, especially with Phillips and Otah on the board. I like Highsmith, but Mayo and Charles are intriguing as well.

Billingsley26
01-16-2008, 12:50 AM
Absolutely love the Saints pick. Great job there.

as nice as it is, Dan Connor wouldn't/isn't going to fall to the 40 something pick this year. wishful thinking still.....

bored of education
01-16-2008, 12:51 AM
wow Kansas City wil have more DTs than two teams combined. the next 8 picks better be, CB, OT, OT, OG, OG, OT, CB, OT OT OT OT OT OG

SuperKevin
01-16-2008, 01:25 AM
as nice as it is, Dan Connor wouldn't/isn't going to fall to the 40 something pick this year. wishful thinking still.....

People said the same thing about Paul Poz last year

Billingsley26
01-16-2008, 01:26 AM
People said the same thing about Paul Poz last year

Yea your right. I thought of that as I scrolled down. I still think he is the best LB this class. Even if Laurinaitis came out.

SuperKevin
01-16-2008, 01:28 AM
wow Kansas City wil have more DTs than two teams combined. the next 8 picks better be, CB, OT, OT, OG, OG, OT, CB, OT OT OT OT OT OG


I think you all will be cutting a few of your DTs this offseason as none of them were really effective. You all play some pretty good running offenses twice a year in the AFC West so building a stong DL is important.

CC.SD
01-16-2008, 01:48 AM
I love any Cherilus pick.

SuperKevin
01-16-2008, 01:50 AM
I love any Cherilus pick.

He has that tougness and mean streak that McNeill has which is why i think he's a perfect pick for the Chargers

Gay Ork Wang
01-16-2008, 02:02 AM
the Bengals pick 47 ;)

SuperKevin
01-16-2008, 02:04 AM
the Bengals pick 47 ;)

We just repeated the same order from round 1. Really way too lazy to adjust for strength of schedule and all that crap

D-Rod
01-16-2008, 03:33 AM
Superb Falcons draft. I would not be surprised if that is how it actually turns out.

Average OT LB
01-16-2008, 03:57 AM
I like this draft in general, its smart and well thought out draft... bravo

I like the chargers pick.. spot on

Don Killuminati
01-16-2008, 04:29 AM
36. Oakland Raiders- Mario Manningham WR Michigan
Oakland has done a great job at getting talented young players on defense so now it's time to start on offense. As of now, JaMarcus Russell doesn't have a go to WR and Mario Manningham could be that guy, especially if he runs that rumored sub 4.4 40 yard dash.
Brutal.

Kiffin is working at solidifying the locker room with "We" players, not "Me" players. I've yet to find a single solitary soul who implies that Manningham is a quality guy and team player. He's also a bust waiting to happen, but that's not really relevant here.

Pat Sims, Dre Moore, Dan Connor, Jamaal Charles, Quentin Groves would all be better picks.

Ewing
01-16-2008, 05:43 AM
Terrible. I'd much rather have James Hardy or DeSean Jackson than Limas Sweed.

OzTitan
01-16-2008, 08:03 AM
Still don't understand at all why people think Sweed will be chosen because of his connection with VY at Texas. Once the camp roles around, it will have been close to three years since they last played together. You really think the Titans FO value something as trivial as that over a big play threat like Jackson which the Titans need desperately, not to mention a replacement for Pacman on KR/PR duties?

BTW, where is DeSean? :|

Scotty D
01-16-2008, 08:08 AM
I like Oher better than Otah, but thats just my personal opinion. This sounds sort of weird but I like value of going with the two Kansas guys in the first two rounds. Talib and Anthony Collins. I would take that value over Otah and Cromartie. But this draft is certainly acceptable.

Bills2083
01-16-2008, 08:28 AM
Good picks for Buffalo

SuperKevin
01-16-2008, 08:34 AM
Still don't understand at all why people think Sweed will be chosen because of his connection with VY at Texas. Once the camp roles around, it will have been close to three years since they last played together. You really think the Titans FO value something as trivial as that over a big play threat like Jackson which the Titans need desperately, not to mention a replacement for Pacman on KR/PR duties?

BTW, where is DeSean? :|

We started the draft before DeSean had officially declared so we did not include him. To go back and include him now would screw everything up

EdReedUnstoppable
01-16-2008, 08:35 AM
I hate the first rd Ravens pick, I think Matt Ryan is a terrible QB who throws far too many INTs. However I like Brandon Flowers in rd 2, immediately upgrades our depth at CB.

SuperKevin
01-16-2008, 08:36 AM
I like Oher better than Otah, but thats just my personal opinion. This sounds sort of weird but I like value of going with the two Kansas guys in the first two rounds. Talib and Anthony Collins. I would take that value over Otah and Cromartie. But this draft is certainly acceptable.

I really think Otah has more LT potential than Oher does which is what you all really could use. Oher to me is big and athletic but I'm still not 100% sold that he can play LT. He kind of reminds me of a more athletic Mike Williams. He has all the potential in the world and will get drafted highly based on measurables but might not put it all together in the end

SuperKevin
01-16-2008, 08:38 AM
Brutal.

Kiffin is working at solidifying the locker room with "We" players, not "Me" players. I've yet to find a single solitary soul who implies that Manningham is a quality guy and team player. He's also a bust waiting to happen, but that's not really relevant here.

Pat Sims, Dre Moore, Dan Connor, Jamaal Charles, Quentin Groves would all be better picks.

It's funny because last I checked, Al Davis still had a majority of the say in the draft and we all know Al Davis loves potential at any cost.

T-RICH49
01-16-2008, 09:23 AM
CB is more of a need then DT so give us the best CB available

doingthisinsteadofwork
01-16-2008, 09:32 AM
good 1st round for Oakland.2nd round not so much.Oakland needs a WR that can catch the ball.DE here would be better.

fenikz
01-16-2008, 10:13 AM
As for the 2nd round, I'm not too fond of Patrick Lee, he was a high recruit only played one full year and it was above average at best, I only got to see a few Aubrun games and i don't quite remember him so i will have to check him out in the Senior bowl but I think a lot of other Corners will go above him

iloxygenil
01-16-2008, 10:41 AM
Not a bad Falcons draft...I'd almost rather have Jake Long round 1 and Pat Sims round 2 and then with our 2nd pick just leave it alone...we need a LOT of help on the lines.

tjsunstein
01-16-2008, 11:01 AM
I would love Dan Connor in place of Godfrey. Does anyone know how good Connor is in coverage?

rockio42
01-16-2008, 11:16 AM
I like the Eagles, Packers, and Rams pick, but im a little iffy on the Bucs taking an OT in the first, they probably take on in the 2ns or 3rd

thebow305
01-16-2008, 11:25 AM
Not a big fan of the Miami draft. Bowman is a nice player, but we have much bigger needs.

Also rather have Gholston than Long, but I guess it could go either way.

SuperKevin
01-16-2008, 01:04 PM
As for the 2nd round, I'm not too fond of Patrick Lee, he was a high recruit only played one full year and it was above average at best, I only got to see a few Aubrun games and i don't quite remember him so i will have to check him out in the Senior bowl but I think a lot of other Corners will go above him

A lot of corners did go before Lee in this draft

Bobo
01-16-2008, 01:12 PM
Limas Sweed....bleh.

But Mayo to the Eagles? I thought Gaither was doing ok in the middle. But I also thought I'd read they tried the guy they drafted last year in the middle towards the end of the season and he looked good. Bigger guy, don't remember his name lol. And with Spikes as well, is LB really a need for them?

fenikz
01-16-2008, 01:13 PM
A lot of corners did go before Lee in this draft

and i think a few more should as well

I would take all 3 of these over him, Justin King, Trae Williams, & Tracy Porter, but this is your mock and just my opinion so take it for what it's worth

DChess
01-16-2008, 01:14 PM
Not a big fan of the Miami draft. Bowman is a nice player, but we have much bigger needs.

Also rather have Gholston than Long, but I guess it could go either way.

we just thought that long was more of a leader and a parcells kind of guy, plus the connection with al groh can put long over gholston, which will help because they will almost be looked at as even.

SuperKevin
01-16-2008, 01:14 PM
Limas Sweed....bleh.

But Mayo to the Eagles? I thought Gaither was doing ok in the middle. But I also thought I'd read they tried the guy they drafted last year in the middle towards the end of the season and he looked good. Bigger guy, don't remember his name lol. And with Spikes as well, is LB really a need for them?

They have a ton of OLBs that they have tried to shuffle into the MLB rotation. They really could use a true MLB like Mayo and that late in the 2nd round he's a steal.

The guy you are thinking of is Stewart Bradley

SuperKevin
01-16-2008, 01:16 PM
and i think a few more should as well

I would take all 3 of these over him, Justin King, Trae Williams, & Tracy Porter, but this is your mock and just my opinion so take it for what it's worth

It really came down to King and Lee for us but we ultimately felt Lee is more pro ready than King and is able to contribute right away.

DiG
01-16-2008, 01:17 PM
well i already hate the harvey pick for the skins so you better make it up to me with our second rounder.

SuperKevin
01-16-2008, 01:18 PM
well i already hate the harvey pick for the skins so you better make it up to me with our second rounder.

Well it's a good thing I don't really care what you think

DChess
01-16-2008, 01:20 PM
well i already hate the harvey pick for the skins so you better make it up to me with our second rounder.

you like jackson as a DE but you dont like harvey?

DiG
01-16-2008, 01:20 PM
Well it's a good thing I don't really care what you think

What makes you think that Harvey is even remotely a good fit to play the RDE spot opposite of Andre Carter?

DiG
01-16-2008, 01:22 PM
you like jackson as a DE but you dont like harvey?

I like Jackson as a better fit than Harvey to play the RDE spot opposite of Carter. At first I was all for Jackson but after doing more research on him I don't necessarily think that he is worthy of the 21st pick either. If Merling can put on 5lbs or so and have a good combine he could end up being the best fit of them all.

SuperKevin
01-16-2008, 01:22 PM
What makes you think that Harvey is even remotely a good fit to play the RDE spot opposite of Andre Carter?

The fact that he, unlike the rest of your DEs can generate a consistent pass rush.

DChess
01-16-2008, 01:23 PM
What makes you think that Harvey is even remotely a good fit to play the RDE spot opposite of Andre Carter?

andre carter- 6'4 252
derrick harvey- 6'4 262

similar type of de, both with quick acceleration and solid size. i would love that combo on my team

DiG
01-16-2008, 01:25 PM
andre carter- 6'4 252
derrick harvey- 6'4 262

similar type of de, both with quick acceleration and solid size. i would love that combo on my team

And give up 300 yards rushing a game. I don't even believe that Harvey weighs any more than 255. As a sophmore he was listed at 230 and ESPN has him listed currently at 250.

The fact that he, unlike the rest of your DEs can generate a consistent pass rush.

Carter put up 6 sacks in the second half of the year last year and this past year he finished with 10.5 sacks. Thats a pretty good pass rush to me.

SuperKevin
01-16-2008, 01:27 PM
And give up 300 yards rushing a game. I don't even believe that Harvey weighs any more than 255. As a sophmore he was listed at 230 and ESPN has him listed currently at 250.

I didn't realize that a single defensive end is the only one capable of stopping the run when there are 11 men on the field. The Redskins need a pass rush in the worst way and Harvey fits that need perfectly

SuperKevin
01-16-2008, 01:28 PM
Carter put up 6 sacks in the second half of the year last year and this past year he finished with 10.5 sacks. Thats a pretty good pass rush to me.

Too bad Carter can't play both DE spots at the same time. that'd be pretty sweet.

DiG
01-16-2008, 01:31 PM
I didn't realize that a single defensive end is the only one capable of stopping the run when there are 11 men on the field. The Redskins need a pass rush in the worst way and Harvey fits that need perfectly

Your right it isnt a one man game but in Greg Williams system it would be a much better fit to have a RDE opposite of Carter with a bigger frame that can support the run and also put decent pressure on the quarterback. As long as he has healthy corners that he can trust he is then able to generate his pass rush by blitzing linebackers and safeties.

DChess
01-16-2008, 01:31 PM
you guys had the 12th best rushing defense, im pretty sure getting harvey would be an upgrade of whoever played their last, and im pretty sure that if you did get worse at the rush defense it wouldnt be by much, and your sack pressure on the qb would make up for that

DiG
01-16-2008, 01:39 PM
you guys had the 12th best rushing defense, im pretty sure getting harvey would be an upgrade of whoever played their last, and im pretty sure that if you did get worse at the rush defense it wouldnt be by much, and your sack pressure on the qb would make up for that

We were also 16th in sacks which isnt terrible. Do we need an upgrade and youth at RDE? Absolutely. Can we afford to bring in strictly a situational pass rush specialists who probably wont clock in at the combine anything more than 255 lbs at the most. No.

Diehard
01-16-2008, 04:32 PM
This should be called the "Denver gets the leftovers" draft...

Round 1 - Dorsey and Ellis are gone so Denver takes Balmer

I'm not sold on Balmer, but since your pick is assuming a monster combine and senior bowl there's not much point in arguing as he does address a need.

Round 2 - Connor, Lofton and Henderson go in quick succession so Denver grabs Highsmith

At times Highsmith reminds me of Ian Gold, which is not a good thing. I'd like any of those other LB's a lot more, but hey, they're already taken.

Certainly not a master class in drafting strategy by the Broncos, but it's not like I really expect them to do much better.

Hines
01-16-2008, 05:00 PM
I can live with that first round pick for the Steelers. He is solid and has started against top competition for 4 years. Now I hope to see the second and third round pick for the Steelers. You working on that now?

scottyboy
01-16-2008, 06:41 PM
Lovin' the Giants pick. He's my number one guy

george_allen
01-16-2008, 08:17 PM
2. St. Louis Rams- Vernon Gholston DE Ohio State
It's hard not to take Glenn Dorsey here but looking at the Rams roster, they appear to have some solid young talent at DT in Adam Carriker, Clifton Ryan, and Claude Wroten. Then you have to notice that both starting DEs are over 30 years old and are coming off of down years. Vernon Gholston is going to be a combine superstar who's combination of speed and power could be too much for a team that struggled getting to the QB as much as the Rams did,to pass up.

34. St. Louis Rams- Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt
Injuries at RB may have been a major reason why the Rams had a horrible rushing attack this year but injuries to the OL were just as devastating. Chris Williams is an athletic OT that will provide excellent depth at either tackle spot as well as provide the ability to start if needed.


which st louis rams are you referring to ?!?!? the st louis rams that play football that i follow don't need a defensive end and are set at offensive tackle - this can't be serious ?! you might as well give them a talk show host and a giesha girl. come on. think.

just kidding - it's just that if you're not disagreeing with the picks, there's not much to respond about -
not only would i like to see the rams get a de in the 1st and an ot in the 2nd - these are the two exact guys i'm hoping they'd be . . .

what i really think the rams will do, however, unfortuneately, is derived from the fact that linehan's on the hot seat in the last year of his contract and the expectations of him when they brought him in to stoke the offense - i expect linehan to act out of desperation to salvage something of his offensive reputation - look for him to select mcfadden or jake long.

Kurve
01-16-2008, 10:07 PM
good 1st round for Oakland.2nd round not so much.Oakland needs a WR that can catch the ball.DE here would be better.


i wouldnt mind the raiders picking sedrick ellis but only if DMAC , GLEN, LONG were off the board the only way i could see Al picking Ellis over DMAC is if he puts on sick combine numbers. I just dont think al would pass up a possible franchise player in DMAC for the second best DT which he could beef up the line in the second round. Heard it once from several HOF coaches if the opportunity landed for your self to get a possible Franchise player at any position if you dont already have one you take regardless if its a big need or not. DMAC is a big time franchise RB prospect more so then ellis at his position.

doingthisinsteadofwork
01-16-2008, 10:19 PM
Our run D hasnt been anything to be proud about in years.Getting a good run stuffing DT is much, much harder than getting a RB who can put up good numbers in the ZBS.

619
01-16-2008, 10:24 PM
well i already hate the harvey pick for the skins so you better make it up to me with our second rounder.

Dude Harveys an absolute beast and one of the more talented defensive players in the draft. What more could you want at #21?? ..

TitanHope
01-16-2008, 11:05 PM
They have a ton of OLBs that they have tried to shuffle into the MLB rotation. They really could use a true MLB like Mayo and that late in the 2nd round he's a steal.

I must disagree. Mayo loves playing OLB. He stated that so many times while at Tennessee. He only played MLB out of necessity for the team. Jerod is only around 230, which isn't the ideal weight of a MLB. I think he fits best at SLB. He even played WLB for the Vols during his sophomore year, and during the Outback Bowl against Wisconsin this season. He's way too versatile to be considered a true MLB. He should only play MIKE in a Cover 2.

Kurve
01-17-2008, 06:03 AM
Our run D hasnt been anything to be proud about in years.Getting a good run stuffing DT is much, much harder than getting a RB who can put up good numbers in the ZBS.

No i agree that we need a DT but DMAC isnt just any RB either he is a game changer and we need something like that to change the face of oakland.....Look at what peterson did to a team like the vikes who had absolutely nothing else on offense other then chester wasnt for him they would of been right where we are at and yet there defense has been solid. Because of a dominant game changer at rb they won atleast 3 - 5 more games a year because of him. With oakland not having a winning season for some time now i think AL and the staff want to see some points up on board and more Wins on the record ,and a game changer on offense to compliment the 60million dollars we invested in Russell. Solid NFL RB can be found in the later rounds but for a RB who has the potential of being our Peterson, or LT now i believe if AL feels that DMAC might be that franchise rb which i think he is he will pick him up. Certain players come out in the draft you take them regardless what your needs are because they could possibly turn a franchise around single handedly and DMAC has that potential.


on the side note Ellis is a outstanding prospect but he was in a great defense in USC he is tad small for his position and isnt as big as what youd like to see in a run stuffing DT, granted we could always use another pass rusher but for 3rd or 4th pick i think ellis would be too much of a reach. Only way i could see us picking ellis is we had the 4th pick and DMAC, Dorsey, and Chris Long were all off the board.

LonghornsLegend
01-17-2008, 08:19 AM
Still don't understand at all why people think Sweed will be chosen because of his connection with VY at Texas. Once the camp roles around, it will have been close to three years since they last played together. You really think the Titans FO value something as trivial as that over a big play threat like Jackson which the Titans need desperately, not to mention a replacement for Pacman on KR/PR duties?

BTW, where is DeSean? :|

actually I think the Texas connection is going to come into play, you dont notice a trend of UT players on the team since they drafted Vince? granted some were on the team before Vince, but I really think they are surrounding him with familiar players that he either has or will build a relationship with fast...Bo Scaife, Ahmad Hall, Michael Griffin, I expect them to take a long hard look at Sweed


But as far as the mock great job guys, you deserve props for the time it took and the great explanations about the picks...love the first rd cowboys mock, although I was hoping mckelvin lasted until our 2nd 1st rd pick...

in the 2nd id like to see a wr for us

asmitty45
01-17-2008, 02:03 PM
otah is fine, but rodgers-cromartie is a little shaky for me unless he has a sick combine