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darnik44two
01-15-2008, 02:00 PM
First Round

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01 Miami Dolphins (1-15) - Darren McFadden, HB, Arkansas*

02 St. Louis Rams (3-13) - Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU

03 +Atlanta Falcons (4-12) - Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College

04 +Oakland Raiders (4-12) - Chris Long, DE, Virginia

05 +Kansas City Chiefs (4-12) Jake Long, OT Michigan

06 New York Jets (4-12) - Sedrick Ellis, NT, USC

07 New England Patriots (from SF (5-11)) - Vernon Gholston, OLB, Ohio State*

08 Baltimore Ravens (5-11) - Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville

09 Cincinnatti Bengals (7-9) Keith Rivers, OLB, USC

10 New Orleans Saints (7-9) - Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona

11 Buffalo Bills (7-9) - Malcolm Kelly, WR, Oklahoma*

12 Denver Broncos (7-9) - Kenny Phillips, S, Miami*

13 Carolina Panthers (7-9) - Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh

14 Chicago Bears (7-9) - Michael Oher OT/OG, Mississippi*

15 Detroit Lions (7-9) - Jonathan Stewert, HB, Oregon*

16 Arizona Cardinals (8-8) - Rashard Mendenhall, HB, Illinois*

17 Minnesota Vikings (8-8) - Andre Woodson, QB, Kentucky

18 Houston Texans (8-8) - Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State*

19 Philadelphia Eagles (8-8) - Mike Jenkins, CB, South Florida

20 Dallas Cowboys (from CLE (10-6)) - Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas*

21 Washington Redskins (9-7) Calais Campbell, DE, Miami*

22 Tampa Bay Buccaneers (9-7) - Mario Manningham, WR, Michigan*

23 Tennessee Titans (10-6) - Martin Rucker, TE, Missouri

24 Seattle Seahawks (10-6) - Felix Jones, HB, Arkansas*

25 Pittsburgh Steelers (10-6) Sam Baker, OT, USC

26 New York Giants (10-6) - Dan Connor, OLB, Penn State

27 San Diego Chargers (11-5) - Curtis Lofton, ILB, Oklahoma*

28 Jacksonville Jaguars (11-5) - Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy

29 Dallas Cowboys (13-3) - Pat Sims, NT, Auburn*

30 San Francisco (from IND (13-3)) Kentwan Balmer, DE, North Carolina

31 Green Bay Packers (13-3) - Shawn Crable, OLB/DE, Michigan

32 New England Patriots (16-0) - FORFEIT


Second Round


33 Miami Dolphins (1-15) - DeMario Pressley, DE, N.C. State

34 St. Louis Rams (3-13) - Eric Young, OG/OT, Tennessee

35 New York Jets (4-12) - Quentin Groves, OLB, Auburn

36 +Atlanta Falcons (4-12) - Dre Moore, DT/DE, Maryland

37 +Oakland Raiders (4-12) - Early Doucet, WR, LSU

38 +Kansas City Chiefs (4-12) DeJuan Tribble, CB, Boston College

39 Baltimore Ravens (5-11) - Chris Ellis, DE/OLB, Virginia Tech

40 San Francisco 49ers (5-11) - Limas Sweed, WR, Texas

41 Detroit Lions (7-9) - Erin Henderson, OLB/ILB, Maryland*

42 Cincinnatti Bengals (7-9) Fred Davis, TE, USC

43 New Orleans Saints (7-9) - Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida*

44 Buffalo Bills (7-9) - Chevis Jackson, CB, LSU

45 Denver Broncos (7-9) - Kevin Smith, HB, Central Florida*

46 Carolina Panthers (7-9) - Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson*

47 Chicago Bears (7-9) - James Hardy, WR, Indiana*

48 Philadelphia Eagles (8-8) - Adarius Bowman, WR, Oklahoma State

49 Arizona Cardinals (8-8) - Jack Ikegwuonu, CB, Wisconsin*

50 Minnesota Vikings (8-8) - Brandon Flowers, CB, Virginia Tech*

51 Atlanta Falcons (from HOU (8-8)) - Anthony Collins, OT, Kansas*

52 Cleveland Browns (10-6) - Marcus Harrison, NT, Arkansas

53 Washington Redskins (9-7) Dwight Lowry, CB, San Jose State

54 Tampa Bay Buccaneers (9-7) - Chad Henne, QB, Michigan

55 Tennessee Titans (10-6) - Jonathan Goff, ILB, Vanderbilt

56 Seattle Seahawks (10-6) - John Carlson, TE, Notre Dame

57 Pittsburgh Steelers (10-6) Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan State*

58 New York Giants (10-6) - Roy Schuening, OG, Oregon State

59 Miami Dolphins (from SD (11-5)) - Barry Richardson, OT, Clemson

60 Jacksonville Jaguars (11-5) - Harry Douglas, WR, Louisville

61 Green Bay Packers (13-3) - Martellus Bennett, TE, Texas A&M*

62 Indianapolis Colts (13-3) - Chris Williams, OT/OG, Vanderbilt

63 Dallas Cowboys (13-3) - Ray Rice, HB, Rutgers*

64 New England Patriots (16-0) - Jerod Mayo, ILB, Tennessee*


Third Round


65 Miami Dolphins (1-15) - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tennessee State

66 St. Louis Rams (3-13) - Lawrence Jackson, DE, USC

67 +New England Patriots (from OAK (4-12)) - Tom Zbikowski, S, Notre Dame

68 +Kansas City Chiefs (4-12) Philip Wheeler, OLB, Georiga Tech

69 New York Jets (4-12) - Chilo Rachal, OG, USC

70 +Atlanta Falcons (4-12) - Kirk Barton, OT, Ohio State

71 San Francisco 49ers (5-11) - Joe Flacco, QB, Delaware

72 Buffalo Bills (from BAL (5-11)) - Xavier Adibi, OLB, Virginia Tech

73 Chicago Bears (7-9) - Josh Barrett, S, Arizona State

74 Detroit Lions (7-9) - Terrell Thomas, CB, USC

75 Cincinnatti Bengals (7-9) Frank Okam, DT, Texas

76 New Orleans Saints (7-9) - Ali Highsmith, OLB, LSU

77 Buffalo Bills (7-9) - Duane Brown, OG, Virginia Tech

78 Minnesota Vikings (from DEN (7-9)) - Gosder Cherilus, OT, Boston College

79 Carolina Panthers (7-9) - Dennis Dixon, QB, Oregon

80 Houston Texans (8-8) - Jamaal Charles, HB, Texas*

81 Philadelphia Eagles (8-8) - Jamie Silva, S, Boston College

82 Arizona Cardinals (8-8) - Bruce Davis, OLB/DE,. UCLA

83 Minnesota Vikings (8-8) - Jordy Nelson, WR, Kansas State

84 Cleveland Browns (10-6) - Chris Johnson, HB, East Carolina

85 Washington Redskins (9-7) Adrian Arrington, WR, Michigan*

86 Tampa Bay Buccaneers (9-7) - Steve Slaton, HB, West Virginia*

87 Tennessee Titans (10-6) - Davone Bess, WR, Hawaii*

88 Seattle Seahawks (10-6) - Craig Steltz, S, LSU

89 Pittsburgh Steelers (10-6) Adam Speiker, C, Missouri

90 New York Giants (10-6) - Trae Williams, CB, South Florida

91 Chicago Bears (from SD (11-5)) - Erik Ainge, QB, Tennessee

92 Jacksonville Jaguars (11-5) - Darrell Robertson, DE, Georgia Tech

93 Green Bay Packers (13-3) - Marcus Griffin, S, Texas

94 Indianapolis Colts (13-3) - Jonal Saint-Dic, DE, Michigan State

95 Dallas Cowboys (13-3) - Tony Hills, OT, Texas

96 New England Patriots (16-0) - Jacob Hester, FB, LSU

T-RICH49
01-15-2008, 02:07 PM
would rather have Ikegwouno or Flowers over Tribble and Jordy Nelson over Wheeler personally.Love the Long pick though

DiG
01-15-2008, 02:08 PM
is lowry really a guy you see as a second rounder? i would prefer tracy porter or charles godfrey in that spot or chris williams who would be great value there.

darnik44two
01-15-2008, 02:09 PM
would rather have Ikegwouno or Flowers over Tribble and Jordy Nelson over Wheeler personally.Love the Long pick though

Well on my board Tribble is a better prospect than either Ike or Flowers. It will depend on KC's evaluation though.

Seasonticketholder
01-15-2008, 02:09 PM
Outside of Highsmith, who won't fall to the third round, this is a horrible draft for the Saints. Cason is good but lacks speed to be an elite, top 10 prospect.

Also, why would the Jets--who are trying to unload Dewayne Robertson for his inability to be effective in the 3-4 defense--take Sedrick Ellis who is better suited for a 4-3?

roidrunner
01-15-2008, 02:09 PM
packers will go, CB in round 1 OLB round 2, give us Ike round 1

darnik44two
01-15-2008, 02:10 PM
is lowry really a guy you see as a second rounder? i would prefer tracy porter or charles godfrey in that spot or chris williams who would be great value there.

Lowry is a good player. He made a few All-American teams because of it.

etk
01-15-2008, 02:11 PM
Chad Henne & Steve Slaton. I didn't just vomit a little inside my mouth, I shoved my whole fist down there and filled up a bucket. Horrible picks.

darnik44two
01-15-2008, 02:11 PM
packers will go, CB in round 1 OLB round 2, give us Ike round 1

So the Packers are going to reach just to fill a few positions? Doesn't work like that. I doubt they grade Ike out as a first round prospect.

darnik44two
01-15-2008, 02:14 PM
Chad Henne & Steve Slaton. I didn't just vomit a little inside my mouth, I shoved my whole fist down there and filled up a bucket. Horrible picks.

I'm starting to think your football knowledge comes solely from this message board.

DiG
01-15-2008, 02:17 PM
So the Packers are going to reach just to fill a few positions? Doesn't work like that. I doubt they grade Ike out as a first round prospect.

batman carroll?

darnik44two
01-15-2008, 02:23 PM
batman carroll?

huh? ? ?...

etk
01-15-2008, 02:25 PM
I'm starting to think your football knowledge comes solely from this message board.

Good for you. I've known from the minute I read your mock drafts last year that oyu have no clue about team needs and player position identification. You make fancy graphics to overshadow your pathetic team-player fits. Your mocks look like more like a rankings list than an actual mock, because you have 0 sense of NFL systems and what teams look for from their positions. Chad Henne & Steve Slaton are average prospects and awful picks for our team. There's not a Bucs fan on this board that would appreciate this mock, and I'm probably the only one that even respects one of our 3 picks (Manningham). If you read my mock, I actually listen to the responses and thank the posters that give me input instead of attacking their knowledge. If you don't like what's said on this board or by Scott, don't come back. Nobody will miss you.

Bills2083
01-15-2008, 02:25 PM
1st: Good
2nd: I like Ikegwuono better
3a: Good
3b: Bad. Our guards are fine. If you want to go Oline there, our #1 need is C.

Also, I'm pretty sure that the Bills hold the 72nd, and 73rd choices in the 3rd round

DaBear89
01-15-2008, 02:27 PM
i wanna make love with this draft. Oher, Hardy, Barret, and Ainge. can't really argue with any of those

thetedginnshow
01-15-2008, 02:29 PM
Jets is interesting. Not a big fan of those guys, but maybe.

TitanHope
01-15-2008, 02:33 PM
Darnik, may I suggest you add explanations with your picks?

You grade out Martin Rucker as a 1st RD pick? Tight End is a need, but I don't think he's a 1st RD prospect. There are no WR's worth taking at this spot, so best available DL or CB would be better picks than reaching for a TE.

Jonathan Goff fills a need, and is of value. You neglect WR, though.

The 3rd RD is far too late to address WR.

Bad Titans mock. You address need, but wait too late to address WR and reach for a TE.

roidrunner
01-15-2008, 02:33 PM
i was only offering advice about the packers pick, there is no need for you to start bashing people for offering their opinion. i am sorry that you do not agree with me, but i personally believe that the packers are going to a CB in round one and not a OLB. and needless to say i completely agree with ETK. Great post ETK.

Draft King
01-15-2008, 02:36 PM
Garbage Falcons mock. I disagree with Ryan, all Falcons fans have shown their case and you can keep ignoring it but we'll see come draft time. Dre Moore is a decent pick, but then you have us taking two straight OT's.

darnik44two
01-15-2008, 02:47 PM
Good for you. I've known from the minute I read your mock drafts last year that oyu have no clue about team needs and player position identification. You make fancy graphics to overshadow your pathetic team-player fits. Your mocks look like more like a rankings list than an actual mock, because you have 0 sense of NFL systems and what teams look for from their positions. Chad Henne & Steve Slaton are average prospects and awful picks for our team. There's not a Bucs fan on this board that would appreciate this mock, and I'm probably the only one that even respects one of our 3 picks (Manningham). If you read my mock, I actually listen to the responses and thank the posters that give me input instead of attacking their knowledge. If you don't like what's said on this board or by Scott, don't come back. Nobody will miss you.

For one, I'm one of the few here who understand how the draft works. All you hear are team needs. That's not how it works. Just because I make graphics, don't think I don't know football. I've been making graphics for 15 months, but I've watched football for 25 years and followed the draft for 18 years. Way too many of you think teams go into the draft saying CB in the 1st, WR in the 2nd, DT in the 3rd and so on. There are alot of knowledable people here and that's why I come here. I've never said one word about having a problem with what Scott says. I did say too many here make his opinion their opinion and call it gospel. Slaton is a steal there, and Henne is a good QB. I bet you like him after the senior bowl when Scott probably shoots him up his board. I only attack those who use the words vomit and horrible in their responses. By the way, player position identification is a strenth of mine, again it's not always along the lines of main stream thinking, but I'm usually dead on. Another example from last year was me saying Lawrence Timmons was no 3-4 OLB. He didn't make it through 2 weeks of practice before the Steelers realized that.

Patriots16-0
01-15-2008, 02:47 PM
I l-o-v-e-d the Pats mock!

darnik44two
01-15-2008, 02:49 PM
i wanna make love with this draft. Oher, Hardy, Barret, and Ainge. can't really argue with any of those

yeah I came away thinking the Bears had the best draft in this mock.

RaiderNation
01-15-2008, 02:51 PM
nice raider draft

darnik44two
01-15-2008, 02:53 PM
Darnik, may I suggest you add explanations with your picks?

You grade out Martin Rucker as a 1st RD pick? Tight End is a need, but I don't think he's a 1st RD prospect. There are no WR's worth taking at this spot, so best available DL or CB would be better picks than reaching for a TE.

Jonathan Goff fills a need, and is of value. You neglect WR, though.

The 3rd RD is far too late to address WR.

Bad Titans mock. You address need, but wait too late to address WR and reach for a TE.

I wait until closer to the date of the draft to start adding explanations. I want to let the sr. bowl, combine, and free agency to take place before I put too much time into a mock.

I see Rucker as a first round talent. Most don't, but I do. I also see him as a perfect fit for Vince Young. I see alot of similarities to Antonio Gates in Rucker. Most Titans fans always talk about how the Titans don't draft WR's in the 1st and say CB isn't a need. Also cover 2 teams rarely spend a first on a CB (even though they took PacMan high).

darnik44two
01-15-2008, 02:57 PM
i was only offering advice about the packers pick, there is no need for you to start bashing people for offering their opinion. i am sorry that you do not agree with me, but i personally believe that the packers are going to a CB in round one and not a OLB. and needless to say i completely agree with ETK. Great post ETK.


How did I bash you? I was just telling you it doesn't work that way and it doesn't. I've never seen a draft follow suit with what the fans deem as "needs."

thebow305
01-15-2008, 03:01 PM
Darnik, why do you insist on giving us Darren McFadden?? I hope you think we will trade him away immediately, because if not, it's a wasted pick!

I don't have a problem with Richardson and Pressley, but I do have a problem with us passing on Dre Moore and Chris Williams to get them. Moore with the first 2nd roudner would be a much better pick, better player with better value, and same goes for Williams over Richardson with the second 2nd rounder.

Cromartie seems like an ok pick, I just don't know much about him, so i'd rather have Trae Williams there.

darnik44two
01-15-2008, 03:03 PM
Garbage Falcons mock. I disagree with Ryan, all Falcons fans have shown their case and you can keep ignoring it but we'll see come draft time. Dre Moore is a decent pick, but then you have us taking two straight OT's.

Does Aurthur Blank saying on national television that they will take a QB there mean anything to you? He said this during the telecast of the Monday night game when Vick was sentenced. The Falcons fans might not like Ryan or Brohm or Woodson, but I'm willing to bet they draft one of them. You can't win without a QB. I'd take Ryan over Harrington or Redman or Leftwhich in a heartbeat. I really don't get why Falcons fans don't like Ryan.

According to most Falcons fans, they need 2 OT's.

darnik44two
01-15-2008, 03:06 PM
Darnik, why do you insist on giving us Darren McFadden?? I hope you think we will trade him away immediately, because if not, it's a wasted pick!

I don't have a problem with Richardson and Pressley, but I do have a problem with us passing on Dre Moore and Chris Williams to get them. Moore with the first 2nd roudner would be a much better pick, better player with better value, and same goes for Williams over Richardson with the second 2nd rounder.

Cromartie seems like an ok pick, I just don't know much about him, so i'd rather have Trae Williams there.

It's just my personal opinion that the Dolphins will take McFadden. I'm not going to change my opinion because basically nobody agrees with me. Sorry you don't like the pick but when I make a mock I make it show what I think will happen, not what everyone hopes happens.

TitanHope
01-15-2008, 03:22 PM
I wait until closer to the date of the draft to start adding explanations. I want to let the sr. bowl, combine, and free agency to take place before I put too much time into a mock.

Then don't even bother posting it. I mean, whats the point in half-assing a mock, posting it, and then telling people why your pick is correct? Explanations aren't hard at all, and if you want your picks to be taken seriously, it may be wise to add them.

I see Rucker as a first round talent. Most don't, but I do. I also see him as a perfect fit for Vince Young. I see alot of similarities to Antonio Gates in Rucker. Most Titans fans always talk about how the Titans don't draft WR's in the 1st and say CB isn't a need. Also cover 2 teams rarely spend a first on a CB (even though they took PacMan high).

We don't usually draft WR's in the 1st RD, but we've never had a need this big for a WR. But if Malcolm Kelly and DeSean Jackson are gone by our pick, then I hope we pass on WR.

As for CB, PacMan just reappeared in the news for another assault. He's likely gone, so CB is a bigger need. And we're not a Cover 2 team... Thats why there were so many questions about Nick Harper coming to Tennessee, as he'd be covering receivers Man-to-Man. We do run some Zone coverages, though. Besides, we're not talking about the 6th Overall Pick like PacMan was. We're talking about the 25th Pick, which would be ok to draft a CB.

WR is our 1st RD aim, but if better players are there at CB, DE, or DT, then they should be considered. I don't think any TE is a 1st RD caliber player.

darnik44two
01-15-2008, 03:30 PM
Then don't even bother posting it. I mean, whats the point in half-assing a mock, posting it, and then telling people why your pick is correct? Explanations aren't hard at all, and if you want your picks to be taken seriously, it may be wise to add them.



We don't usually draft WR's in the 1st RD, but we've never had a need this big for a WR. But if Malcolm Kelly and DeSean Jackson are gone by our pick, then I hope we pass on WR.

As for CB, PacMan just reappeared in the news for another assault. He's likely gone, so CB is a bigger need. And we're not a Cover 2 team... Thats why there were so many questions about Nick Harper coming to Tennessee, as he'd be covering receivers Man-to-Man. We do run some Zone coverages, though. Besides, we're not talking about the 6th Overall Pick like PacMan was. We're talking about the 25th Pick, which would be ok to draft a CB.

WR is our 1st RD aim, but if better players are there at CB, DE, or DT, then they should be considered. I don't think any TE is a 1st RD caliber player.

Sorry to waste your time with my mock. I won't post any more.

TitanHope
01-15-2008, 03:46 PM
Give me a break.

All I'm saying is that I think it's silly that you go around telling people you have connections with Pro scouts, and state how guys are ranked on your Big Board, yet you can't put: "Most disagree, but I think Martin Rucker is a great prospect who will fit perfectly with Vince Young. And since the upper tier WR's are all taken, the nod goes to the next best receiving option in Rucker." That's two sentences dude.

You're either lazy, talking out of your butt, or just don't give a crap. So why should people care what you say? Some posters, like BF51, can just list them, but you don't have his presence in this community.

I don't wanna be a jerk, but get real dude.

DiG
01-15-2008, 03:50 PM
huh? ? ?...

have we already forgot how much the packers reached when they picked ahmad "batman" carroll in the first round a few years back just to fill a need?

darnik44two
01-15-2008, 04:04 PM
Give me a break.

All I'm saying is that I think it's silly that you go around telling people you have connections with Pro scouts, and state how guys are ranked on your Big Board, yet you can't put: "Most disagree, but I think Martin Rucker is a great prospect who will fit perfectly with Vince Young. And since the upper tier WR's are all taken, the nod goes to the next best receiving option in Rucker." That's two sentences dude.

You're either lazy, talking out of your butt, or just don't give a crap. So why should people care what you say? Some posters, like BF51, can just list them, but you don't have his presence in this community.

I don't wanna be a jerk, but get real dude.

When and where did I say I had connections with Pro scouts?

Were you looking for a scouting report on Rucker?

Most mock drafts here don't have explanations, and all look nearly identical. Have you ever seen a draft happen that even closely resembled the run of the mill typical mock that get's posted over and over again? I haven't. A different point of view should be refreshing, but apparently it's not. More people should have the balls to post their true opinions instead of what everyone else thinks. I rank players based on my opinion and only my opinion. In fact I rarely look at others rankings or mocks. I've done this for years now and I'm usually pretty close with my forecast.

Martin Rucker...

Rucker is a great receiving TE. There are alot of similarities to he and Antonio Gates. He is good at finding holes in zones, uses his body hell to shield would be defenders, and has a nose for the end zone. He was primarily used off the line, so his blocking isn't anything special but he seems willing to do it and with the right coaching will be fine. He has ideal size and is deceptively fast. He tough to bring down. He seems like a guy with a good football IQ, and comes from good bloodlines. He is the brother of Mike Rucker (DE, Carolina Panthers).

For the Titans he kills two birds with one stone. They could split him out wide or line him up inside. Vince Young is best at the short intermediate passes (the type a TE catches). Young loved throwing to his TE's at Texas. Rucker would be a great addition to their offense.

darnik44two
01-15-2008, 04:07 PM
have we already forgot how much the packers reached when they picked ahmad "batman" carroll in the first round a few years back just to fill a need?

So why do it again? Don't you think and hope they learned from their mistakes?

GB12
01-15-2008, 04:24 PM
So why do it again? Don't you think and hope they learned from their mistakes?
Crable's a much bigger reach, not to mention he's not a good fit for us.

1. Ikegwuonu
2. Wheeler
3. I guess Griffin isn't a bad pick, but it's by no means a good one. We spent a second on Rouse last year and he's played well, but Bigby's still holding on to the starting job. Adding a 3rd round safety just gives us more of a log jam.

DiG
01-15-2008, 04:25 PM
So why do it again? Don't you think and hope they learned from their mistakes?

i dont disagree with you. i was just pointing him out because you said that it "doesn't work like that"

neko4
01-15-2008, 04:26 PM
CBs will be a huge need in 2 years for GB, we should fill that position now while its still a minor one. Then we dont even need a TE, Donald Lee had almost 600 yards this year. We are very young at S (Collins in his 3rd year, Bigby in his 2nd or 3rd I believe and Rouse in his first) 2 of those 3 guys will become solid safties

msealy2
01-15-2008, 04:27 PM
I'm not a big fan of the Vikings draft. I don't think they will go with a QB. Tarvaris showed enough to give him another year IMO. Just need to give him some weapons, and better protection from the RT spot. The second and third round picks aren't bad but with the way your draft plays out, for me personally I would see the Vikes doing something like this:

1st Round - Ryan Clady OT Boise State
2nd Round - John Carlson TE Notre Dame or Martellus Bennett TE Texas A&M
3rd Round a - Adrian Arrington WR Michigan
3rd Round b - Craig Steltz S LSU

yo123
01-15-2008, 04:37 PM
Terrible first two picks for the Vikings, QB is not a first round need, and Woodson isnt worth #17 anyway.

CB is not a need in the second, we have Winfield, and Griffin and McCaulley are two solid young corners, the problem with our secondary is the lack of pass rush and safety play.

However great picks with Jordy Nelsonz and Cherlius in the third.

Caddy
01-15-2008, 05:04 PM
I can understand you giving the Buccaneers Manningham in the first round and to a certain extent that selection definitely makes sense. However Henne in the 2nd and Slaton in the 3rd just confuse me. The only reason I can think of which lead you to choose Henne is the whole Garcia is too old thing. That might be true, but Henne neither suits the system currently run in Tampa Bay nor would be able to do a better job than Luke McCown who has been soaking up the offense for over 3 seasons now. Steve Slaton? Despite the fact that we have two proven starters in Earnest Graham and Cadillac Williams, not to mention two FA RB's who have a decent shot of one being brought back in Pittman and Bennett, you still give the Buccaneers a RB when they have such glaring needs at other positions.

princefielder28
01-15-2008, 05:19 PM
So the Packers are going to reach just to fill a few positions? Doesn't work like that. I doubt they grade Ike out as a first round prospect.

Ike may be one of the fastest corners in this draft and he plays his best when he's up on the line and getting a bump on a team's top tier wideout. He fits the Packers defensively philosophy perfectly so I would assume that the Packers would have him graded high and I think you are underrating his abilities. As far as the selection of Shawn Crable, I find it somewhat intriguing because he could fit our need at SLB and rush end. If you have the packers take Ike in round 1 then I would like to see Ali Highsmith in round 2, and Tony Hills would be a nice pick and a steal in round 3.

bored of education
01-15-2008, 05:22 PM
OK draft for KC. I like Wheeler at OLB and donnie Edwards can move to MILB. Donnie, Dj, and Wheeler=awesome LBs. Myabe go gosder cherilus 3rd round, GC is a top two RT prospect. Overall solid. Tribble I think could be had in the 3rd but that could change

darnik44two
01-15-2008, 05:35 PM
i dont disagree with you. i was just pointing him out because you said that it "doesn't work like that"

What I meant by that is teams don't do this:

1. CB
2. OLB
3. DT
4. QB
5. FS
6. DE
7. OG

Jensen
01-15-2008, 05:39 PM
Give the Cardinals Mike Jenkins in the 1st. If not him, then Ryan Clady.

TimD
01-15-2008, 05:41 PM
Awesome Jets Draft!
no complaints

Matthew Jones
01-15-2008, 06:27 PM
Great Patriots mock!

FrankTheTank
01-15-2008, 06:30 PM
if you think the jets pass on vernon gholston to let him go to the pats youre crazy

TitanHope
01-15-2008, 06:41 PM
When and where did I say I had connections with Pro scouts?

In your 1st RD Mock's thread when you were discussing Sedrick Ellis.

It would be a tough decision. How does he have no position? I feel he could play nose tackle and so do most people. He would have to gain a few pounds. I expect him to go to the combine weighing 315 or so. He could easily get up to 320-325. In round 2 Quentin Groves will be waiting...

...Ellis is listed at 305. When I say most people, I'm refering to draft scouts not message board posters.

I assume you that you're saying that you've heard from scouts that Ellis can play NT by some way or form other than the internet, due to the "not message board posters" clip at the end. Or you may have just been lying in order to convince someone that you were right and they were wrong.

Were you looking for a scouting report on Rucker?

Most mock drafts here don't have explanations, and all look nearly identical. Have you ever seen a draft happen that even closely resembled the run of the mill typical mock that get's posted over and over again? I haven't. A different point of view should be refreshing, but apparently it's not. More people should have the balls to post their true opinions instead of what everyone else thinks. I rank players based on my opinion and only my opinion. In fact I rarely look at others rankings or mocks. I've done this for years now and I'm usually pretty close with my forecast.

Not a scouting report; an explanation. You know what that is, right? It's when you say why you picked someone, and portrays that you know what you're talking about. Most mocks don't have explanations, but the good ones do.

Good for you for having a different and origianl opinion, but no one cares or can see that when they read your mock. Heck, you could be the most knowledgeable poster here, but when people see how you write up your mock, they attribute it's appearance to your knowledge. If it's well written and makes sense, then you have more crediblity. If it goes:

1. Miami - Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
2. St. Louis - Jake Long, OT, Michigan
3. Atlanta - Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas
etc...

Then you're not going to be taken as seriously. Then when you say, well, I have him higher up on my board than you or I know scouts agree with my opinion, then you just look like you're saying stuff to make people think you're right.

I greatly appreciate alternative points of view. Thats why I like toonsterwu's mocks. But I also appreciate toonser's mocks because I can tell how much effort he puts into them when I read them. When I read your mock, I see nothing special and some perceived reaches with no explanation. Accuracy doesn't matter much pre-Super Bowl and FA.

Martin Rucker...

Rucker is a great receiving TE. There are alot of similarities to he and Antonio Gates. He is good at finding holes in zones, uses his body hell to shield would be defenders, and has a nose for the end zone. He was primarily used off the line, so his blocking isn't anything special but he seems willing to do it and with the right coaching will be fine. He has ideal size and is deceptively fast. He tough to bring down. He seems like a guy with a good football IQ, and comes from good bloodlines. He is the brother of Mike Rucker (DE, Carolina Panthers).

For the Titans he kills two birds with one stone. They could split him out wide or line him up inside. Vince Young is best at the short intermediate passes (the type a TE catches). Young loved throwing to his TE's at Texas. Rucker would be a great addition to their offense.

Don't be a drama king. No scouting report. Just 3 sentences explaining why you picked the player. In fact, the bolded portion of your quote is perfect dude! It would do wonders for your Mock to have those types of explanations in just your 1st RD. I'm not suggesting you have a paragraph explaining the Giants' 3rd RD pick, as most picks later than the 2nd RD are just picking position, not player. Just more material for the early picks to help display your knowledge.

jdb1972
01-15-2008, 06:53 PM
Like the first two rounds for the Panthers. Doubt Dixon will go in the third without a great combine (which he's certainly capable of), don't think he's a good fit for the Panthers, and don't think the Panthers will take a QB since they already have 3 under contract they like (two who are young, the other who's a Pro Bowler).

darnik44two
01-15-2008, 06:58 PM
In your 1st RD Mock's thread when you were discussing Sedrick Ellis.



I assume you that you're saying that you've heard from scouts that Ellis can play NT by some way or form other than the internet, due to the "not message board posters" clip at the end. Or you may have just been lying in order to convince someone that you were right and they were wrong.



Not a scouting report; an explanation. You know what that is, right? It's when you say why you picked someone, and portrays that you know what you're talking about. Most mocks don't have explanations, but the good ones do.

Good for you for having a different and origianl opinion, but no one cares or can see that when they read your mock. Heck, you could be the most knowledgeable poster here, but when people see how you write up your mock, they attribute it's appearance to your knowledge. If it's well written and makes sense, then you have more crediblity. If it goes:

1. Miami - Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
2. St. Louis - Jake Long, OT, Michigan
3. Atlanta - Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas
etc...

Then you're not going to be taken as seriously. Then when you say, well, I have him higher up on my board than you or I know scouts agree with my opinion, then you just look like you're saying stuff to make people think you're right.

I greatly appreciate alternative points of view. Thats why I like toonsterwu's mocks. But I also appreciate toonser's mocks because I can tell how much effort he puts into them when I read them. When I read your mock, I see nothing special and some perceived reaches with no explanation. Accuracy doesn't matter much pre-Super Bowl and FA.



Don't be a drama king. No scouting report. Just 3 sentences explaining why you picked the player. In fact, the bolded portion of your quote is perfect dude! It would do wonders for your Mock to have those types of explanations in just your 1st RD. I'm not suggesting you have a paragraph explaining the Giants' 3rd RD pick, as most picks later than the 2nd RD are just picking position, not player. Just more material for the early picks to help display your knowledge.

Here's a clip of Mike Mayock saying Sedrick Ellis can play the nose.

http://www.nfl.com/videos;jsessionid=92E88B2DA497A7BD13220C0405D861B2 ?videoId=09000d5d805e21c1

You are actually critisizing me for scouting players on my own and not just copying someone's rankings and then putting it into a mock. To add to that you imply I should throw my opinion out the window and go with the populus on my picks...what's the point? I'm glad now I didn't spend a ton of time on that mock because a couple more underclassmen declared since I made it. I know the difference between explanations and a scouting report. You asked a question about Rucker and my brief explanation wasn't enough for you so I gave you a scouting report. Honestly, check the other mocks. Not many have explanations, and just about 100% of them follow suit with Scott's rankings and all look nearly the same. I honestly think explanations are a waste of time prior to the combine. As you can see, I'm more than happy to answer anyone's questions.

Vikes99ej
01-15-2008, 07:13 PM
I want to sound intelligent and patient, but I love all of the Vikings picks.

PACKmanN
01-15-2008, 07:37 PM
Give us Brandon Flowers.

tjsunstein
01-15-2008, 08:02 PM
I like Crable in the first. Hes most likely going to turn into our pass rush man like KGB is now being that hes lost a step its seemed and may rotate with Poppinga depending on his developement in training camp/preseason. However, Im not a fan of Bennett in the second. If we could somehow address the secondary there in favor of Terrell Thomas or Rodgers-Cromartie and get a recieving tight end or possibly Tony Mills in the 3rd I'd be all for this draft.

Rich Jr
01-15-2008, 08:05 PM
Saints

Round 1) BPA=Kenny Phillips

Round 2) Chevis Jackson

Round 3) Adrian Arrington- He fills a WR need (we only have Coltson and Meachem currently under contract) and a return need. Highsmith would be a dream but he'll be gone long before the 3rd.

thebow305
01-15-2008, 08:14 PM
It's just my personal opinion that the Dolphins will take McFadden. I'm not going to change my opinion because basically nobody agrees with me. Sorry you don't like the pick but when I make a mock I make it show what I think will happen, not what everyone hopes happens.

Well, I have to say, I commend you for making a decision and sticking to it, and not being swayed by outside influences. I have done the same with Vernon Gholston and swear he will be the pick, until he either is, or I am proved wrong on the day of the draft.

I was one of the first, if not the first, to propose the idea that Gholston might be the pick and have been almost stubborn to the fact.

As you may remember, I did this last year with Ted Ginn Jr.

Everyone thought I was crazy, but I just had a gut feeling about it, and I didn't really know why, but as the draft drew closer it got clearer and clearer to be that he would indeed be the pick and soon everyone would know it.

And you know how that worked out.....

That being said, I strongly disagree that McFadden will be selected by the 'Phins, unless he is ultimately used as trade bait, I just don't see it happening. Like I said, Vernon Gholston will be the pick.

Thank you for the input though. I like to hear what other people have to say about the pick this year.

etk
01-15-2008, 08:15 PM
For one, I'm one of the few here who understand how the draft works. All you hear are team needs. That's not how it works. Just because I make graphics, don't think I don't know football. I've been making graphics for 15 months, but I've watched football for 25 years and followed the draft for 18 years. Way too many of you think teams go into the draft saying CB in the 1st, WR in the 2nd, DT in the 3rd and so on. There are alot of knowledable people here and that's why I come here. I've never said one word about having a problem with what Scott says. I did say too many here make his opinion their opinion and call it gospel. Slaton is a steal there, and Henne is a good QB. I bet you like him after the senior bowl when Scott probably shoots him up his board. I only attack those who use the words vomit and horrible in their responses. By the way, player position identification is a strenth of mine, again it's not always along the lines of main stream thinking, but I'm usually dead on. Another example from last year was me saying Lawrence Timmons was no 3-4 OLB. He didn't make it through 2 weeks of practice before the Steelers realized that.

1. Scott actually likes Henne, seeing how he has him ranked #5, and he had him ahead of Brennan at one point. I also agree that he will see his Scott improve at the Senior Bowl, because many aren't aware of how good his downfield arm is. I don't like Henne as a prospect for our offense, though, especially not in the 2nd round when we have other needs (DE, DT, CB). He doesn't move around well in the pocket and his accuracy is spotty across the middle. He throws a nice deep ball/fade, but that's a very small part of our offense. We need QBs who can make quick decisions, throw accurate short, and avoid pass rushers. Henne's a better pick than Slaton but bad nonetheless.
2. Slaton is not a steal for us. We have 2 solid backs in Graham and Cadillac, and he doesn't fit our system. Our offense involves power running, and very rarely do we open the kind of holes to take advantage of Slaton's skills. He would be a waste on our offense.
3. Kudos to you on Lawrence Timmons. I felt the same way about him and I thought Woodley would have a much greater impact. You keep bringing up Pittsburgh examples in your arguments, however, and that doesn't prove much to me. I could easily tell you anything about the Bucs or Canes...what's important is whether or not you know the systems, needs and fits of the 32 different teams. Your creativity in player rankings shows you have knowledge and unique opinion on prospects, but your mock shows you don't quite know how to match those players to teams.
4. It's true that many posters here treat Scott/Kiper's rankings as gospel, but I'm far from one of them, so don't include me in your generalizations. I could post my positional rankings and you'd be surprised by my choices.
5. I probably overreacting in attacking your mock, sorry.

EdReedUnstoppable
01-16-2008, 08:39 AM
Dont like this Ravens draft at all, Brian Brohm is the worst possible QB for us, I'd rather have Antoine Cason, Mike Jenkins, or even Andre Woodson before Brohm.

And in rd 2 give us Erin Henderson.

iloxygenil
01-16-2008, 10:49 AM
We'll see what happens but I don't want Matt Ryan in Atlanta. I wouldn't be too pleased with this draft...but its good to see someone getting the point that we have to rebuild our lines.

rockio42
01-16-2008, 11:13 AM
DMAC is not going to the Dolphins, and the Rams wont take Dorsey, they either take Chris, Jake Long, or Gholston. And Manningham isnt worth it for the Bucs they take Jackson.

619
01-16-2008, 11:19 AM
Raiders draft looks solid. If Long were to fall into our laps I think its a no-brainer really and Doucet in the second is great value and provides Russell with a familiar target he can rely on heavily over the next few years as they progress together.

TitanHope
01-16-2008, 11:59 AM
You are actually critisizing me for scouting players on my own and not just copying someone's rankings and then putting it into a mock. To add to that you imply I should throw my opinion out the window and go with the populus on my picks...what's the point? I'm glad now I didn't spend a ton of time on that mock because a couple more underclassmen declared since I made it. I know the difference between explanations and a scouting report. You asked a question about Rucker and my brief explanation wasn't enough for you so I gave you a scouting report. Honestly, check the other mocks. Not many have explanations, and just about 100% of them follow suit with Scott's rankings and all look nearly the same. I honestly think explanations are a waste of time prior to the combine. As you can see, I'm more than happy to answer anyone's questions.

Nevermind. You're failing to understand my point, and I'm not going to continue to beat a dead horse.

darnik44two
01-16-2008, 12:05 PM
Nevermind. You're failing to understand my point, and I'm not going to continue to beat a dead horse.

You don't get my point. 75% of the mocks on here have no anyalysis. Have you critisized them? I run my the draft section at an NFL site and I have a pretty heavy workload with that, along with the business I own and my 4 kids. I just can't put analysis everytime I have an inkling to do a mock. Most of my picks the reasons are self explanatory anyways. Your Titans pick was one of few that wasn't self explanatory. Like I said, I'll have anyalysis with my mocks when the draft nears, and they will be graphical masterpieces as well.

TitanHope
01-16-2008, 03:42 PM
I completely understand not having the time to write explanations. They can take quite a long time. But, my only criticism was that I thought it was silly that your initial mock seemed so basic, yet you carry yourself like you have superior knowledge over your critics. It's like Michaelangelo painting a stick figure, and saying that he is still one of the greatest artists of all time.

I never once said your rankings were bad. I never once said that you should comform with Scott and the general community's rankings. You didn't comprehend my other posts, and think that I am criticizing your ways. That is not the case. I am criticizing your methods, not your madness (Not literally madness, though).

You post a mock that is very plain, and has no explanations. You claim that pre-combine, etc. mocks don't require explanations, and then claim that you are one of the few people here who know how the NFL Draft works. And then you carry yourself as if your knowledge of the players exceeds anyone else's. When in fact, your mock doesn't display any sign of your brilliance, and thus is nothing special. I don't understand it.

My point is, when you don't care enough to be thorough with your Mocks, even if they are posted early, why should anyone think that you know as much as you do?

lost33cause
01-17-2008, 12:46 AM
I like all the picks except in round 1. I don't like Kieth Rivers at all. We also don't have needs at the WSLB spot. We have Dhani Jones and Johnson. Both are quality Lbers and we are in talks with both agents.

G-Men88
01-17-2008, 01:58 AM
The Giants need to address DB in the first 2 rounds and IMO the 1st round. Don't like this mock from a Giants standpoint.

LonghornsLegend
01-17-2008, 08:03 AM
It's just my personal opinion that the Dolphins will take McFadden. I'm not going to change my opinion because basically nobody agrees with me. Sorry you don't like the pick but when I make a mock I make it show what I think will happen, not what everyone hopes happens.

I know its not my team, but if you claim to have watched football and the draft for so long, then you should know Parcells doesnt like taking a rb in the first, let alone with the first pick of the draft...You dont remember him passing Steven Jackson, when Dallas had no back whatsoever? And waiting rounds later to take Julius Jones, he is not taking McFadden first to build his team, thats not even how Parcells thinks and I dont get what would make you think that from watching the draft so many years...


And as far as Dallas most picks are ok but I dont like the Ray Rice pick, doesnt fit in well in our offense or with Barber...too many other backs that fit in better