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LonghornsLegend
01-18-2008, 07:26 PM
Got to thinking, both had great freshman years and ended the season on a high note...who do you guys like more in general and who is the better back to have on your team

soybean
01-18-2008, 08:27 PM
im a SC/joe mcknight fan through and through but Noel Devine's homeruns were more impressive in my opinion.

TouchdownUSC
01-18-2008, 09:10 PM
Mcknight because he is so versitle but I do think devine is nasty and arguable a better pure running back.

Michigan
01-18-2008, 09:54 PM
McKnight 100%

619
01-18-2008, 10:00 PM
They both are one of the best home run hitters out there but Ill give McKnight the slight edge right now as he is just so versatile and the much more complete back.

BigJohn98
01-18-2008, 10:06 PM
Tim Tebow. All shall bow down before him!

BamaFalcon59
01-18-2008, 10:08 PM
Devine is faster, has better balance, and has better vision.

McKnight can catch better.

They have roughly equal acceleration and agility.

I will take Devine.

Rich Jr
01-19-2008, 12:03 AM
Devine is faster, has better balance, and has better vision.

McKnight can catch better.

They have roughly equal acceleration and agility.

I will take Devine.No way Devine has better vision.

It's like asking who do you want Darren Sproles or Reggie Bush.

I'll take Bush/McKnight.

kwilk103
01-19-2008, 01:01 AM
devine

hes gonna be an absolute beast this year

brat316
01-19-2008, 01:09 AM
itS Devine

doingthisinsteadofwork
01-19-2008, 01:16 AM
Jhavid Best.

Iamcanadian
01-19-2008, 10:13 AM
In WV offense Devine is very effective and will be a star. McKnight has a chance to be a star in USC's system while Devine just might nor fit their scheme. So it's a toss up.

Mo'town Raven52
01-19-2008, 10:23 AM
noel devine can dominate in what ever offense he may be placed in; you can't possible compare noel devine to darren sproles either, that was stupid...Joe Mcknight is over-rated and will end up being a decent player, but will never duplicate the success reggie had. Noel has great vision which he showed while running out of the I formation in high school, I know its not the same skill level, but his natural ability running the ball showed through in any film you watch.

kwilk103
01-19-2008, 10:58 AM
devine plans to get up to 190lbs this summer

BamaFalcon59
01-19-2008, 12:00 PM
One thing I do not like is players gaining weight for NFL prospect rating. It usually ends up in lost explosiveness if you try too hard.

Sniper
01-19-2008, 12:03 PM
Joe McKnight.

BigJohn98
01-19-2008, 12:20 PM
noel devine can dominate in what ever offense he may be placed in; you can't possible compare noel devine to darren sproles either, that was stupid...Joe Mcknight is over-rated and will end up being a decent player, but will never duplicate the success reggie had. Noel has great vision which he showed while running out of the I formation in high school, I know its not the same skill level, but his natural ability running the ball showed through in any film you watch.

WVU homerism at its finest.

soybean
01-19-2008, 12:56 PM
WVU homerism at its finest.

seriosuly. "joe mcknight is overrated"

lol, whatever dude.

BamaFalcon59
01-19-2008, 01:01 PM
I can not compare someone to Reggie Bush if someone easily hawks him from behind.

VoteLynnSwan
01-19-2008, 01:10 PM
I can not compare someone to Reggie Bush if someone easily hawks him from behind.

this shows your lack of knowledge of the situation... Easily hawks? It was a full on sprint, and the guy who hawked him was Vontae Davis, the brother of Vernon Davis who will likely be at top 10 pick next year and easily runs in the low 4.3s.

BamaFalcon59
01-19-2008, 01:34 PM
this shows your lack of knowledge of the situation... Easily hawks? It was a full on sprint, and the guy who hawked him was Vontae Davis, the brother of Vernon Davis who will likely be at top 10 pick next year and easily runs in the low 4.3s.

I know who Vontae Davis is. McKnight got hawked. Easily. Say he runs a 4.32 and it still makes McKnight look slow.

Bush's special attribute was once he got to the secondary he would score.

kwilk103
01-19-2008, 01:38 PM
that would make mcknight in the 4.4 range

BamaFalcon59
01-19-2008, 01:41 PM
I would say late 4.4 at the best. He just doesn't look all that fast except in his breaks.

Patriots16-0
01-19-2008, 05:46 PM
Noel Devine is 0.000001% better than McKnight.

AZ9er
01-19-2008, 05:49 PM
Neither.


Knowshon Moreno is a better complete running back as a freshman than both.

619
01-19-2008, 05:51 PM
Neither.


Knowshon Moreno is a better complete running back as a freshman than both.

Thats a whole other argument..

kwilk103
01-19-2008, 06:32 PM
moreno's also a rs freshman

Sniper
01-19-2008, 06:53 PM
Neither.


Knowshon Moreno is a better complete running back as a freshman than both.

Why is it in every single "Player X vs. Player Z" debate some clown comes in "Neither, Player F is so much better"?

I guess answering the actual question would just be too hard

BigJohn98
01-19-2008, 07:41 PM
I can not compare someone to Reggie Bush if someone easily hawks him from behind.

He got caught because he cut it back across field.

BamaFalcon59
01-19-2008, 07:43 PM
He got caught because he cut it back across field.

By the time he was hawked it was a straight on foot race sprint. It was all speed.

BigJohn98
01-19-2008, 07:50 PM
By the time he was hawked it was a straight on foot race sprint. It was all speed.

The corner didn't cut back across field. He was in a straight on sprint. Cutting across field makes you lose your momentum. He wouldn't have caught McKnight if he didn't cut back across field.

KILLERSANTA
01-19-2008, 07:53 PM
I have to go with Noel.....

Rich Jr
01-19-2008, 08:04 PM
As a complete back I just think Joe is a better RB.

BamaFalcon59
01-19-2008, 08:12 PM
The corner didn't cut back across field. He was in a straight on sprint. Cutting across field makes you lose your momentum. He wouldn't have caught McKnight if he didn't cut back across field.

By the time Davis caught him they were both going full speed.

VoteLynnSwan
01-19-2008, 08:40 PM
The corner didn't cut back across field. He was in a straight on sprint. Cutting across field makes you lose your momentum. He wouldn't have caught McKnight if he didn't cut back across field.

well he wouldn't have caught him if he hadn't cut back across the field only because vontae was on the side McKnight cut to...

in a straight line race, Vontae wins easily. I do see what he's saying, it never looks like McKnight is running very fast, but he does cover a lot of ground quickly. I'd put him in the 4.45 range right now, but it's not as if in 3 years that number won't improve by a good margin.

this video has the play, it's about about 2:20...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=d97zbWGLYUg

Iamcanadian
01-20-2008, 10:24 AM
It's tough to tell about McKnight. USC has 4 or 5 RB's who would start on most college football teams and McKnight just doesn't get the ball enough to get a true read on him just yet. However, while I think Devine will be great in WV's offense, I don't think he would excell in all other offensive schemes.
As for the Reggie Bush comparison, that's ridiculous, McKnight is a completely different type of runner, a guy who is very capable of running between the OT's and to the outside.

Thunder&Lightning
01-20-2008, 11:51 AM
im a huge mcknight fan and i would say they have equal speed,agility, and accel skills..

only thing that separates them is Mckights receiving skills

Overall: Mckight

yourfavestoner
01-20-2008, 03:04 PM
People saying that McKnight's speed or balance are even comparable to Devine's are smoking better chronic than I am. Or they haven't seen much of either guy.

McKnight's a good all-around back, but he's much more quick than fast. He's definitely no Reggie Bush.

Overall, I'd take Devine. That kid is a once-every-ten-years type of talent.

mqtirishfan
01-20-2008, 03:17 PM
If this is as a pro prospect, then McKnight ten times out of ten over the shrimp. As a college player, I'd probably take Devine.

yourfavestoner
01-20-2008, 04:17 PM
If this is as a pro prospect, then McKnight ten times out of ten over the shrimp. As a college player, I'd probably take Devine.

Agree, completely. I think by the end of his career, Devine will be one of the most accomplished backs in NCAA history.

But yes, as a pro prospect, McKnight's skills transfer much more favorably.

Redskins4Bowl26
01-20-2008, 06:52 PM
Overall, I'd take Devine. That kid is a once-every-ten-years type of talent.



THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Noel Devine as stated above, is a once-every-ten-years talent while Joe McKnight was the top rated prospect in his class(due to size and grades), who went to the top college, where everybody in that college is looking for the next reggie bush.

LonghornsLegend
01-20-2008, 06:55 PM
Wasnt it not too long ago when people were thinking he wouldnt be eligible to play this year? I remember hearing that off this board, that his grades were borderline uneligible and he wouldnt play anywhere as a freshman

kwilk103
01-20-2008, 07:00 PM
devine?

he didnt sign on nloi day cuz he was a point or 2 shy of getting the grade on the act he needed

he kept studying and once he got the grade---about a month after nloi day---he signed to wvu

504 to ATL
01-21-2008, 12:39 AM
I cant remember who it was that said McKnight did not have comparable speed to Devine, but seriously dont exaggerate. That is an inane statement, McKnight ran the 100 meter in state, someone look up his time.

Devine probably has a better 40 time, along with better quickness, cuts and change of direction. But, to say McKnight does not have comparable speed is just simply a bad statement. McKnight probably has a better 100 meter time, as in his top end speed is better than Devine's top speed.

VoteLynnSwan
01-21-2008, 12:43 AM
why don't you look it up... and track speed is not football speed.

LonghornsLegend
01-21-2008, 12:47 AM
I cant remember who it was that said McKnight did not have comparable speed to Devine, but seriously dont exaggerate. That is an inane statement, McKnight ran the 100 meter in state, someone look up his time.

Devine probably has a better 40 time, along with better quickness, cuts and change of direction. But, to say McKnight does not have comparable speed is just simply a bad statement. McKnight probably has a better 100 meter time, as in his top end speed is better than Devine's top speed.

Mcknight runs the 100 meter in 10.4 as his fastest, Devine has been clocked everywhere from 10.7 to 10.4 as well, so they would be neck and neck if they ran side by side....


Thats still a very fast time for a rb, in comparison Jamaal Charles ran a 10.1 in the 100 and Trinidan Holiday runs a 10.08, but Ill be interested in devine's and mcknights shuffle time more then anything else

504 to ATL
01-21-2008, 01:06 AM
Mcknight runs the 100 meter in 10.4 as his fastest, Devine has been clocked everywhere from 10.7 to 10.4 as well, so they would be neck and neck in they ran side by side....

There you go, that seems comparable to me. How about you?

why don't you look it up... and track speed is not football speed.

Uhhh, first because I was being lazy and someone did it for me in less than half an hour. And no sh!t, track speed is not football speed, my quote was in response to the exaggerated poster who said McKnight did not have comparable speed to Devine.

bored of education
01-21-2008, 01:21 AM
what about Brandon Saine???

kwilk103
01-21-2008, 02:00 AM
what about Brandon Saine???

who?

both are better

Rich Jr
01-21-2008, 02:32 PM
Mcknight runs the 100 meter in 10.4 as his fastest, Devine has been clocked everywhere from 10.7 to 10.4 as well, so they would be neck and neck if they ran side by side....


Thats still a very fast time for a rb, in comparison Jamaal Charles ran a 10.1 in the 100 and Trinidan Holiday runs a 10.08, but Ill be interested in devine's and mcknights shuffle time more then anything elseHoliday is a 10.02

McKnight is better. His receiving ability gives him the edge.

ElectricEye
01-22-2008, 01:35 AM
Devine. I'm still not sure on McKnight. His vision and quicks are really, really good, and he has the long speed to go along with it...but I don't know. I have my reservations. Doesn't hurt that Devine is in a system that will get the most out of his talent either. Both guys with really bright futures though.

T.Smith
01-22-2008, 07:01 PM
Divine was absolutely made for the WVU system, I don't think you guys realize how many holes in a deffense that scheme creates.
Devine will obviously put up better numbers then Mcknight in college, and probobly most of the other RB's. But in the nfl he is Darren Sproles jr. I'd take Mcknight over devine in any pro style offense easily, both of them do not translate very well into the nfl imo.

GDWTheSickness
02-05-2008, 03:14 PM
I'd have to go w/ joe mcknight. Dude is sick and will be a stud next year. Devine will be a close second though, he's sick in his own right. McKnight's ability to have great hands for a RB gives him the edge for me though.

portermvp84
02-07-2008, 12:21 PM
I only saw Devine play once in the bowl game. I saw Mcnight play a couple of times, and i was very impressed.

Paranoidmoonduck
02-07-2008, 10:12 PM
If Devine can gain weight without losing his ridiculous lateral explosion, then he's the answer for me. I really like the way he runs.

Billingsley26
02-07-2008, 10:24 PM
based off of this year, you are stupid if you say joe mcknight. noel devine was just a force to be wreckoned with. honestly, at some points the guy averaged like 11 yards a pop, and that was with several carries. to me, no questions asked.

NMUBurner22
02-08-2008, 02:13 AM
McKnight is more versatile...Devine is more explosive..I'll take McKnight.

RAZERSAINTS
02-08-2008, 09:48 AM
Got to thinking, both had great freshman years and ended the season on a high note...who do you guys like more in general and who is the better back to have on your team

im with you on this one

BBIB
02-08-2008, 01:33 PM
If Devine can gain weight without losing his ridiculous lateral explosion, then he's the answer for me. I really like the way he runs.

I heard somewhere he is going to try to put on some weight this off-season.

I cringe at that thought because of what happened to Slaton. He was not the same back.

For someone as shifty and quick as Devine to lose that would be hard to watch.


I think he's fine the way he is. He's Warrick Dunn with 4.3 speed

ChosenOne
02-22-2008, 04:18 PM
Noel Devine.

DragonFireKai
02-22-2008, 04:26 PM
McKnight is the better player, but Devine will have the better year. McKnight's stuck splitting time with an incredible running back in Stafon Johnson, Devine's going to have the spotlight to himself.

But remember this name... James Rodgers. Over 500 yards rushing, on 11 yards per carry, as a true freshman.

thebow305
02-23-2008, 11:22 AM
Forget both of them.... Graig Cooper will be the best Freshman back out of this class!

etk
02-23-2008, 11:45 AM
Cooper may not be the best back on our team from that class....Lee Chambers is more explosive and McNeal is better on inside runs. We'll see.