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Matthew Jones
01-19-2008, 12:29 PM
Hey guys, just spent a few hours working on a three-rounder with explanations. Couldn't fit in a few players but overall I'm very happy with the way it came out. Let me know what you think! If you don't like a pick, give me some alternatives for next time. Thanks!

Round One:

1. Miami Dolphins - Chris Long, DE/OLB, Virginia

I think Miami drafts Long regardless of what he weighs in at, because there are more concerns about Dorsey than Long and he fits Parcells' scheme better.

2. St. Louis Rams - Glenn Dorsey, DT, Louisiana St.

St. Louis needs help all around. Offensive tackle was a consideration but Jake Long might not be any better than Alex Barron at guarding Marc Bulger's blind side.

3. Oakland Raiders - Sedrick Ellis, DT, Southern Cal

Oakland could really use some help up front in their defense. Ellis can help put pressure on the quarterback and help fix their terrible run defense.

4. Atlanta Falcons - Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas

Tough call here between Darren McFadden and Matt Ryan. Went with McFadden because Atlanta's always been run-first and McFadden is more talented.

5. Kansas City Chiefs - Jake Long, OT, Michigan

Perfect fit for the Chiefs. No other real choices here with likely their top player on the board. Clady/Otah are long shots, but Long is a better all-around player than either.

6. New York Jets - Vernon Gholston, DE/OLB, Ohio St.

Gholston is a great fit for the Jets. They could use linebackers for their 3-4 defense and Gholston is on the same level as Chris Long.

7. New England Patriots (f/SF) - Derrick Harvey, DE/OLB, Florida

New England has shown they are willing to go to Urban Meyer's program for draft picks lately and Harvey fits in well into a defense that could still use some speed.

8. Baltimore Ravens - Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College

Troy Smith has had some impressive showings in the NFL, but in addition to being one of the top players left, Ryan would represent an upgrade in the passing game.

9. Cincinnati Bengals - Kenny Phillips, FS, Miami (FL)

Cincinnati desperately needs some help all over their defense. Keith Rivers and Kentwan Balmer get consideration but Phillips is generally thought to be better than either.

10. New Orleans Saints - Mike Jenkins, CB, South Florida

With New England and Baltimore passing, New Orleans gets a chance to upgrade their pass defense with someone who is considered to be the best corner in the draft.

11. Buffalo Bills - Limas Sweed, WR, Texas

Sweed is very underrated because of his 40-yard dash time and the injury he suffered this year, but the Bills need a big wide receiver and Sweed is the best in the draft.

12. Denver Broncos - Ryan Clady, OT, Boise St.

Denver is a team that doesn't seem like they're willing to draft linemen or running backs in the first, no matter how good a fit (Maroney), but I think they have to change their philosophy.

13. Carolina Panthers - Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville

Tough call here between Brohm, Woodson, and Otah, but the Panthers pick the quarterback that is the best fit for their offense and is far less risky than Jeff Otah.

14. Chicago Bears - Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh

Chicago needs to upgrade all around their offense, and I considered Woodson, Stewart, Mendenhall, Jackson, but decided that Otah would be the pick here because of rare size.

15. Detroit Lions - Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy

Recently, Mike Mayock noted that Leodis McKelvin was on the cusp of being a top-10 pick, so with that said, this pick is a no-brainer with Detroit's desperate need for defensive backs.

16. Arizona Cardinals - Jonathan Stewart, RB, Oregon

Edgerrin James is winding down, so Arizona's best option could be to continue to add potential offensive playmakers. Their defensive scheme could change, so defense is risky.

17. Minnesota Vikings - DeSean Jackson, WR, California

The Vikings took Troy Williamson a few years ago hoping to replace Randy Moss as a deep threat and it hasn't really worked, so they pick up a nice value in DeSean Jackson here.

18. Houston Texans - Rashard Mendenhall, RB, Illinois

Ahman Green has turned out to be a colossal bust as a big signing, and Houston hasn't addressed their need for a running back yet, so with Mendenhall on the board he's the pick.

19. Philadelphia Eagles - Reggie Smith, FS, Oklahoma

Phialadelphia thought they had a future safety in Michael Lewis a few years ago, but that never panned out and they've been rotating in safeties since. Smith is the best left.

20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Keith Rivers, OLB, Southern Cal

Probably the best value of the draft yet, Tampa Bay is able to add a luxury stud linebacker who fits into their defensive scheme absolutely perfectly and should have gone earlier.

21. Washington Redskins - Kentwan Balmer, DT/DE, North Carolina

There are rumors that Washington may change to a 3-4, and regardless of whether or not they do, they're going to need a few linemen. Balmer is a nice value here, especially in a 3-4.

22. Dallas Cowboys (f/CLE) - Felix Jones, RB, Arkansas

Jones' speed and big-play ability would make for a fantastic replacement for Julius Jones and compliment to Marion Barber. An easy pick, combines need and value.

23. Pittsburgh Steelers - Gosder Cherilus, OT, Boston College

I'm not as sold on Cherilus as most are, mainly because he failed at left tackle this year, but he's a solid right tackle and Pittsburgh is going to need to patch holes on their line.

24. Tennessee Titans - Malcolm Kelly, WR, Oklahoma

Tennessee would have liked for Limas Sweed to drop this far, but it's fairly unlikely that he does and so they are left with Malcolm Kelly or another position - the nod easily goes to WR.

25. Seattle Seahawks - Chris Johnson, RB, East Carolina

I gave long consideration to Ray Rice and Martellus Bennett here, but decided on Chris Johnson, because he's explosive - exactly what Shaun Alexander as of late has not been.

26. New York Giants - Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas

There's a really good chance that Talib is gone by now, but until he runs his 40-yard dash, he falls into that mid-late first round area and the Giants are able to address a need position.

27. Jacksonville Jaguars - Calais Campbell, DE, Miami (FL)

Had to decide between Campbell, Merling, and wide receiver, but it seems like forever since Jacksonville has gotten some solid play from their defensive ends.

28. San Diego Chargers - Charles Godfrey, CB/FS, Iowa

San Diego could seriously use some help in their defensive backfield, and they've shown they aren't afraid to take gambles on high-ceiling players, so they go Godfrey here.

29. Dallas Cowboys - Mario Manningham, WR, Michigan

Terry Glenn is just about done and the rest of Dallas' wideouts are big, physical guys. Manningham could potentially be the #1 or 2 wideout chosen after the combine and gives them a deep threat.

30. San Francisco 49ers (f/IND) - Philip Merling, DE, Clemson

With the impending retirement of Bryant Young, San Francisco could use some defensive line depth. Merling is a nice fit for their defense and can help improve their terrible run defense.

31. Green Bay Packers - Dan Connor, OLB/ILB, Penn St.

Green Bay can afford to make a bit of a luxury pick here with no glaring needs. I think Dan Connor is a top-10 talent, and it's a shame he falls this far, but Green Bay gets a huge steal.

32. New England Patriots - pick forfeited

Round Two:

33. Miami Dolphins - Curtis Lofton, ILB, Oklahoma

Toss-up here between Lofton and Jerod Mayo. Either one could go in the mid-first round, but here they're both available. Some say Rubin is a potential fit but I think it's early.

34. St. Louis Rams - Lawrence Jackson, DE, Southern Cal

Very close call here between Jackson, Groves, and Baker. I feel like offensive tackle is deep, though, and Groves may be a better fit for a 3-4 defense than a 4-3.

35. Atlanta Falcons - Andre' Woodson, QB, Kentucky

So the Falcons pass on Matt Ryan in the first round and are rewarded with Andre' Woodson in the second round. It'd take time, but Woodson/McFadden/White/Crumpler would be scary.

36. Kansas City Chiefs - Chris Ellis, DE, Virginia Tech

Toss-up here between drafting Ellis or Groves, but for the same reason I gave St. Louis Lawrence Jackson, Kansas City takes Chris Ellis as a replacement for Jared Allen.

37. New York Jets - Jerod Mayo, ILB, Tennessee

Although they were able to find a real gem in David Harris last year, Jonathan Vilma is coming off of an injury and will potentially be moved, so New York adds another linebacker value in Mayo.

38. Oakland Raiders - Sam Baker, OT, Southern Cal

This is a pick I had pegged for the first round before the season started, and although Baker had an up-and-down year, he's a local prospect, a very nice value, and fills a definite need here.

39. Baltimore Ravens - Justin King, CB, Penn St.

Baltimore has a serious need for an upgrade at cornerback and although they have a number of big-name players, they aren't going to be contending anytime soon, so they go for potential.

40. San Francisco 49ers - Early Doucet, WR, Louisiana St.

Mike Martz may love the deep ball, and although Doucet got only 9.2 YPC last year in college, he's probably the most talented wideout left in the draft and could be their #1 receiver.

41. New Orleans Saints - Marcus Harrison, DT, Arkansas

New Orleans takes a player whose stock has been climbing pretty significantly as of late to address their need for a defensive tackle after missing out on Lofton and Mayo.

42. Buffalo Bills - Pat Sims, DT, Auburn

Although they drafted John McCargo in the first round recently, Buffalo's defensive line play has been less than impressive. Sims is big and athletic for his size and would represent an upgrade.

43. Denver Broncos - Dre' Moore, DT, Maryland

The run on defensive tackles continues with the third in a row chosen. Denver seriously needs an upgrade and mentioned they want sleeker linemen, so Moore gets the nod over Frank Okam.

44. Carolina Panthers - Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt

Carolina passed on Jeff Otah for Brian Brohm in the first round, and that proves to be a smart move here as they are able to add a huge, quick, and very talented offensive tackle here in the second.

45. Chicago Bears - Donnie Avery, WR, Houston

At first glance this may seem like a bit of a reach with players like Devin Thomas, James Hardy, and Adarius Bowman left, but Avery is the best deep threat left and Berrian could be leaving.

46. Detroit Lions - Jamaal Charles, RB, Texas

It seems like the Lions can't find themselves a solid running back despite picking up Kevin Jones, Tatum Bell, and T.J. Duckett in recent years. Charles is a good value and big play threat.

47. Cincinnati Bengals - Fred Davis, TE, Southern Cal

The Bengals really would have liked to get their hands on one of the three defensive tackles chosen earlier in the round, but instead of reaching for Frank Okam, they get a good value in Davis.

48. Minnesota Vikings - Patrick Lee, CB, Auburn

Minnesota has been below-average in pass defense for quite some time now, and since they drafted Jackson in the first, they can afford to finally address that with another good value at corner.

49. Atlanta Falcons (f/HOU) - Tony Hills, OT, Texas

Atlanta has claimed recently that they are looking to add bigger offensive linemen, but Wayne Gandy is old and on the decline at left tackle and Hills is the best left tackle prospect available.

50. Philadelphia Eagles - James Hardy, WR, Indiana

Although someone like Quentin Groves might be nice here, Donovan McNabb could use a wide receiver with size to compliment Kevin Curtis, and Hardy is about as big as you'll find.

51. Arizona Cardinals - Brandon Flowers, CB, Virginia Tech

Quentin Groves continues his streak of being a team's second favorite option as Arizona passes on him for Brandon Flowers after failing to address their desperate need for a corner in the first.

52. Washington Redskins - Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan St.

Washington wasn't able to get much production at all from their wide receivers this year, something that a big, strong playmaker like Thomas could help them out with alongside Santana Moss.

53. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Earl Bennett, WR, Vanderbilt

Bennett, considered a first-round possibility for the Buccaneers a couple of months ago, is available here and without anyone who sticks out as a deep threat, Tampa Bay picks him up.

54. Pittsburgh Steelers - Roy Schuening, OG, Oregon St.

One of the most prolific offensive linemen in the draft this year, Schuening is an almost perfect fit for Pittsburgh and would be a more-than-adequate starter replacing Alan Faneca should he leave.

55. Tennessee Titans - John Carlson, TE, Notre Dame

A bit of a debate here as to whether Tennessee would rather have Carlson or Rucker, but Carlson seems like a bit safer and plays to Tennessee's strength, running, a bit more than Martin.

56. Seattle Seahawks - Martin Rucker, TE, Missouri

An All-American this year, Rucker is a very big, fast tight end with nice hands. He fell a bit because he's a bit lacking as a blocker, but the Seahawks are glad that there was a tight end available.

57. New York Giants - Ali Highsmith, OLB, Louisiana St.

Going into this round, outside linebacker wasn't the preferred pick necessarily, but it became the preferred pick when Ali Highsmith, a potential first-round pick, slipped to them.

58. Cleveland Browns - Ahtyba Rubin, NT, Iowa St.

Although Ted Washington is still a decent nose tackle, he's grown very, very old and isn't a long-term fix by any means. There are rumors that Rubin is rising fast, and he's the best NT left.

59. Miami Dolphins (f/SD) - Craig Steltz, SS, Louisiana St.

Thomas DeCoud is a bit raw, so Parcells leans towards the more established safety in Craig Steltz. A tough, smart, strong player, Steltz is just the kind of player Parcells tends to draft.

60. Jacksonville Jaguars - Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona

I'm almost certain that Cason will end up running something around a 4.5 40 and jump into the mid-first, but for now he's a high second-rounder that the Jaguars are able to steal late.

61. Indianapolis Colts - DeMario Pressley, DT, North Carolina St.

The Colts might have found some underrated talent along the defensive line this year, but they still need some help in the middle stopping the run, and Pressley is the best fit available for them.

62. Green Bay Packers - Jack Ikegwuonu, CB, Wisconsin

It's weird that a player this tall and fast would be available this late on, but it benefits Green Bay, giving them another solid starter and excellent value at an upgradeable position in the second.

63. Dallas Cowboys - Red Bryant, NT, Texas A&M

Bryant is an absolutely massive two-gap plugger, so although he had some bouts of inconsistency throughout his college career, he represents a nice value here as a potential 3-4 nose tackle.

64. New England Patriots - Jonathan Goff, ILB, Vanderbilt

New England already added Derrick Harvey at linebacker, but they'll still need another 'backer to eventually replace either Tedy Bruschi or Junior Seau after they have moved on.

Round Three:

65. Miami Dolphins - Quentin Groves, DE/OLB, Auburn

Although they drafted Chris Long to potentially play linebacker, he might be able to stay on the line and Groves represents a nice value and compliment to or replacement for Jason Taylor.

66. St. Louis Rams - Philip Wheeler, OLB, Georgia Tech

St. Louis has still failed to address their need for an offensive tackle, but in doing so they've managed to significantly upgrade their defense with Dorsey, Jackson, and Wheeler.

67. Kansas City Chiefs - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tennessee St.

Kansas City has a few solid cornerbacks to choose from here, and with their current starters potentially being able to fill in for another year or two, they take a bit of a risk on upside.

68. New York Jets - Trae Williams, CB, South Florida

After Rodgers-Cromartie was taken, New York was left with a choice between either Trae Williams or Tracy Porter, and opt for Williams because he's a slightly better fit schematically.

69. New England Patriots (f/OAK) - Kevin Smith, RB, Central Florida

New England gets the luxury of picking the best player available, and opts for Kevin Smith over Ray Rice and Steve Slaton because he's a better compliment to Laurence Maroney.

70. Atlanta Falcons - Thomas DeCoud, FS, California

DeCoud is a bit raw but represents a solid value for Atlanta. The Falcons have had a bit of trouble bringing in long-term solutions at safety lately and DeCoud could be a step towards fixing that.

71. San Francisco 49ers - Shawn Crable, OLB, Michigan

Crable is an excellent pick for the 49ers at this point - not only does he possess ideal measurables to play outside linebacker in the 3-4, but he also has proven he can play the position.

72. Buffalo Bills (f/BAL) - Tracy Porter, CB, Indiana

With the first of their two consecutive picks, Buffalo adds a cornerback in Porter who could hopefully bring an upgrade to a position that seems to be in desperate need for one in the past few years.

73. Buffalo Bills - Taveres Gooden, OLB, Miami (FL)

Gooden, who reminds some of Jon Beason, a first-round pick last year, is Buffalo's second pick. The team stole Paul Posluszny in the draft last year but still needs to add more talent at linebacker.

74. Minnesota Vikings (f/DEN) - Frank Okam, DT, Texas

Okam dropped well out of the first round after losing almost all of his steam later on in the year, but still has excellent potential and could be groomed as the aging Pat Williams' potential replacement.

75. Carolina Panthers - Marcus Griffin, FS, Texas

Most likely the best safety left in the draft, Michael Griffin's twin brother is a good value here as a very smart, instinctive, versatile player who provides an upgrade in the defensive backfield.

76. Chicago Bears - Chad Henne, QB, Michigan

The fourth quarterback chosen in the draft, Chicago goes for a strong-armed quarterback who could sit behind someone like Grossman or Griese for a year before taking over the Bears offense.

77. Detroit Lions - Terrell Thomas, CB, Southern Cal

Detroit may have drafted Leodis McKelvin in the first round, but it's likely that they'll still need even more talent at cornerback. Thomas is a bit raw, but he has plenty of tools and could start.

78. Cincinnati Bengals - Erin Henderson, OLB, Maryland

A defensive tackle who could clog running holes would probably be the best possible pick here, but instead of reaching for a mid-round talent, Cincinnati picks up a talented outside linebacker.

79. New Orleans Saints - Jeremy Leman, ILB, Illinois

The Saints have had lots of problems on defense, so it isn't really a huge surprise that they spend their third consecutive pick on that side of the ball. Leman is an excellent fit in New Orleans.

80. Houston Texans - DeJuan Tribble, CB, Boston College

Dunta Robinson has proven himself to be one of the better starting cornerbacks in the NFL and a suitable #1, but Houston severely lacks a solid supporting cast for him and so drafts Tribble.

81. Philadelphia Eagles - Tommy Blake, DE, Texas Christian

Tommy Blake was seen as a mid-to-late first-rounder a ways into the season but psychological problems have caused him to slip this far. It's a risk, but Philly could have a big steal here.

82. Arizona Cardinals - Anthony Collins, OT, Kansas

Arizona would have liked to add a pass-rushing end here, but just misses out on Blake. Collins gets the nod over people like Nicks and Cousins because he projects a little bit better to left tackle.

83. Minnesota Vikings - Joe Flacco, QB, Delaware

Brad Childress still seems to have some faith in Tarvaris Jackson as the quarterback of the future, but Flacco is a great value and the Vikings showed with Jackson they'll go small-school.

84. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Colt Brennan, QB, Hawaii

Brennan slips fairly far down and Tampa Bay, needing someone to groom behind Jeff Garcia as their future quarterback, picks him up as someone with toughness, mobility, and a quick release.

85. Washington Redskins - Kendall Langford, DT/DE, Hampton

Although the Redskins already drafted a similar player in Kentwan Balmer, Langford is another nice value that could play in whichever scheme the Redskins' new coach goes with in the future.

86. Tennessee Titans - Harry Douglas, WR, Louisville

Even though Adarius Bowman, a player considered in the first round, is available, Tennessee goes with Douglas as a better compliment to Malcolm Kelly in their search for targets for Young.

87. Seattle Seahawks - Oniel Cousins, OT, Texas El-Paso

Walter Jones is still more than serviceable at left tackle, but he's getting up there in age and at some point will have to fall off. Cousins could sit behind him for a while and take over once Jones is done.

88. New York Giants - Adarius Bowman, WR, Oklahoma St.

Eli Manning needs a #2 option to replace Amani Toomer alongside Plaxico Burress, so the Giants go with a terrific value in Bowman, pushing Moss/Smith into the slot where they belong.

89. Cleveland Browns - Beau Bell, OLB, Nevada-Las Vegas

Cleveland has done a nice job of filling needs throughout their defense in recent drafts, but they could still use some youth at outside linebacker opposite Wimbley and Bell is a nice value here.

90. Pittsburgh Steelers - Andre Caldwell, WR, Florida

Caldwell is most likely the last wide receiver worth drafting on the first day this year, and without more pressing needs for Pittsburgh to address, they can afford to grab Reche's brother.

91. Jacksonville Jaguars - Geno Hayes, OLB, Florida St.

Hayes may be moe than a little undersized, but has a lot of potential to be molded and although David Garrard might need a better backup, Erik Ainge is the best QB left and not a good fit.

92. Chicago Bears (f/SD) - Steve Slaton, RB, West Virginia

Cedric Benson hasn't exactly had a great career so far and so without him making many plays, Chicago takes Slaton, a playmaker who would provide an excellent change-of-pace.

93. Green Bay Packers - Ray Rice, RB, Rutgers

Although Ryan Grant seemingly came out of nowhere to give Green Bay a solid starting running back, they still lack an ideal backup, and Rice is one of the best values of the draft thus far.

94. Dallas Cowboys - Branden Albert, OG, Virginia

Dallas didn't show too much need for a guard during the season, but without much value left elsewhere at this point, they can afford to take Albert based on his size and potential.

95. Indianapolis Colts - Kerry Brown, OG, Appalachia St.

Like Dallas, Indianapolis is a team that came into the draft with little needs and was able to come away with a player that pehaps they don't necessarily need a whole lot, but who certainly helps.

96. New England Patriots - Chevis Jackson, CB, Louisiana St.

Even though there's only about a 50-50 shot that Asante Samuel comes back next season, New England hasn't added a cornerback to this point, but finds a nice value and #2 option in Jackson.

Best players available:

Erik Ainge, Mike Hart, Dustin Keller, Jermichael Finley, Carl Nicks, Steve Justice, Xavier Adibi, Ezra Butler, Jordon Dizon

BigJohn98
01-19-2008, 12:34 PM
If that's the Jags draft, I will poop in my pants.

hugegmenfan
01-19-2008, 12:42 PM
cant really complain about the giants draft, its good- depth at the o line could be addressed round 3 as well

JagHombre22
01-19-2008, 12:43 PM
If that's the Jags draft, I will poop in my pants.

I will be doing the same....

Jim Jim
01-19-2008, 12:47 PM
Pretty outstanding draft for Green Bay.

Xiomera
01-19-2008, 12:48 PM
I like the pick of McKelvin. I am lukewarm on the selection of Charles. I do agree it would be smart to add a young RB, but we have so many other defensive needs, that I think MLB or DE might take precedence. And yes, we need two CB's, but I would rather we just take one rookie CB early on in the draft, and spread around our picks on the entire defense.

I wouldn't be terrible upset at this kind of a draft from Mr. Millen though . . . I have low expectations.

Vikes99ej
01-19-2008, 01:08 PM
I like Jackson, but I despise the 2nd round pick. We do not need another CB. The porous pass defense is due to the inability of the ends to get to the quarterback. John Carlson or Martin Rucker would be much, much better. I like the Okam pick, and Flacco is okay.

princefielder28
01-19-2008, 01:16 PM
Pretty outstanding draft for Green Bay.

it is spectacular!

Yung Flippa
01-19-2008, 01:17 PM
Okay Round 1 for the Ravens, would rather have Mike Jenkins.
Ravens take Quentin Groves or Erin Henderson in Round 2, Justin King isn't worth that high of a pick.
Good Texans draft.

BiggerFoot
01-19-2008, 01:44 PM
you forgot to put in Martellus Bennett TE Texas A&M, would love it if the Saints snagged him in the 2nd round because the Eric Johnson experiment did not work out and we could use a TE threat

Addict
01-19-2008, 01:49 PM
about your comment regarding the third round CB for Detroit, if a drafted cornerback can walk, he'll start. Don't you worry.

skinzzfan25
01-19-2008, 01:51 PM
Since when were there rumors that the Skins are going to a 3-4?

msealy2
01-19-2008, 01:52 PM
I like Jackson, but I despise the 2nd round pick. We do not need another CB. The porous pass defense is due to the inability of the ends to get to the quarterback. John Carlson or Martin Rucker would be much, much better. I like the Okam pick, and Flacco is okay.

Agree completely. Instead of Flacco I would take Adarius Bowman, even though we are already getting DeSean Jackson.

Seasonticketholder
01-19-2008, 01:53 PM
Terrinle draft for the Saints. Jenkins is a reach at #10. Either trade down or take Keith Rivers. Pat Sims would be a better choice in round two at DT. I can live with Leman, but I would take Tribble there.

Handel
01-19-2008, 02:07 PM
Like a lot that Pats draft.

RaiderNation
01-19-2008, 02:09 PM
1st alright
2nd great

i think we would take DMAC over ellis at this point since we are going to lose jordan,rhodes and mayb fargas to F/A

GB12
01-19-2008, 02:25 PM
I don't like Rice in the third, but the first two rounds are so amazing I wouldn't care who we take for the next 4.

Flyboy
01-19-2008, 02:28 PM
Not a big fan of Jenkins at 10 for us, but still darned solid Saints mock.

thetedginnshow
01-19-2008, 02:31 PM
The Jets just have too many other pressing needs to go LB twice that early, and I don't necessarily agree with going CB in the 3rd either.

gsorace
01-19-2008, 02:48 PM
6. New York Jets - Vernon Gholston, DE/OLB, Ohio St.

Gholston is a great fit for the Jets. They could use linebackers for their 3-4 defense and Gholston is on the same level as Chris Long.

Perfect pick, no complaints

37. New York Jets - Jerod Mayo, ILB, Tennessee

Although they were able to find a real gem in David Harris last year, Jonathan Vilma is coming off of an injury and will potentially be moved, so New York adds another linebacker value in Mayo.

Even if Vilma leaves ILB isn't much of a need, both of our lines need a lot of work, I would rather take Dre Moore or Chris Williams

68. New York Jets - Trae Williams, CB, South Florida

After Rodgers-Cromartie was taken, New York was left with a choice between either Trae Williams or Tracy Porter, and opt for Williams because he's a slightly better fit schematically.

Yeah, except the Jets don't really need a corner, the secondary played very well this year the Jets just had no pass rush.

Adarius Bowman would be better there, or a linemen on either side.

eliteeagle
01-19-2008, 03:00 PM
58. Cleveland Browns - Ahtyba Rubin, NT, Iowa St.
Ted Washington is very, very old, fat, ugly and will retire. There are rumors that Rubin is rising fast, and he's the best NT left.



ok.... fixed

Crickett
01-19-2008, 03:10 PM
20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Keith Rivers, OLB, Southern Cal

Probably the best value of the draft yet, Tampa Bay is able to add a luxury stud linebacker who fits into their defensive scheme absolutely perfectly and should have gone earlier.

Wouldn't having Rivers playing across from Cato June make the Bucs linebackers kind of undersized? :confused:

21. Washington Redskins - Kentwan Balmer, DT/DE, North Carolina

There are rumors that Washington may change to a 3-4, and regardless of whether or not they do, they're going to need a few linemen. Balmer is a nice value here, especially in a 3-4.

I hadn't heard that and I'm pretty sure Gregg Williams has always run a 4-3 defense.

29. Dallas Cowboys - Mario Manningham, WR, Michigan

Terry Glenn is just about done and the rest of Dallas' wideouts are big, physical guys. Manningham could potentially be the #1 or 2 wideout chosen after the combine and gives them a deep threat.

Would the Cowboys draft Manningham after what happened with Crayton's case of the dropsies?


36. Kansas City Chiefs - Chris Ellis, DE, Virginia Tech

Toss-up here between drafting Ellis or Groves, but for the same reason I gave St. Louis Lawrence Jackson, Kansas City takes Chris Ellis as a replacement for Jared Allen.

But would Kansas City really let the league leader in sacks just leave?


37. New York Jets - Jerod Mayo, ILB, Tennessee

Although they were able to find a real gem in David Harris last year, Jonathan Vilma is coming off of an injury and will potentially be moved, so New York adds another linebacker value in Mayo.

68. New York Jets - Trae Williams, CB, South Florida

After Rodgers-Cromartie was taken, New York was left with a choice between either Trae Williams or Tracy Porter, and opt for Williams because he's a slightly better fit schematically

I'd say that of anyone, Vernon Gholston makes the most sense for the Jets at #6. But if they go day 1 without addressing the offensive line or nose tackle, they can expect to be drafting #6 in the '09 draft too.


88. New York Giants - Adarius Bowman, WR, Oklahoma St.

Eli Manning needs a #2 option to replace Amani Toomer alongside Plaxico Burress, so the Giants go with a terrific value in Bowman, pushing Moss/Smith into the slot where they belong.

This is the only way I could see the Giants drafting a WR. If it is a complete steal. Otherwise, the Giants have absolutely no need for another receiving threat. They have Plaxico, they have Toomer, they have Shockey, they have Steve Smith and Kevin Boss who appeared to be coming on late in the season, a great run game and the waste of a draft pick that is Sinorice Moss. The Giants really don't need that much help on offense.

93. Green Bay Packers - Ray Rice, RB, Rutgers

Although Ryan Grant seemingly came out of nowhere to give Green Bay a solid starting running back, they still lack an ideal backup, and Rice is one of the best values of the draft thus far.

What about last year's second round draft pick, Brandon Jackson?

diabsoule
01-19-2008, 03:29 PM
Saints analysis

First off, great job with the mock and good analysis for every pick.

Now on to the Saints.

1st Round - Mike Jenkins, CB: I like the pick. He represents the best value and is probably the most complete CB in the draft. I'd love for a linebacker or stud defensive tackle but the value just isn't ride. Great pick.

2nd Round - Marcus Harrison, DT: I'm not sold on Harrison as DT. I would much prefer Pat Sims or Dre Moore. I feel that those two are the better prospects.

3rd Round - J Leman probably represents the best value there but if Martellus Bennett was still on the board I'd rather have him.

Overall, solid but unspectacular draft for the Saints

Jakey
01-19-2008, 03:35 PM
Sam Baker > Gosder Cherilus ... Roy Shuening is a good pick ... Caldwell is good value, but he isnt my favourite pick. Overall grade: B-

fenikz
01-19-2008, 03:36 PM
Great Cardinals Draft, and excellent work on the whole thing

I think Stewart is going to be the top RB from this class and at 1st will split carries with Edge but possibly by the end of his 1st year could get most of the carries, weird explanation though Our defense isn't changing schemes any time soon just adding talent and improving with more experience

Give us Cason in the 2nd, no way will he last that long but he is the #2 CB in the class imo and will prove it over his career

Collins is great value in the 3rd and OT depth is always good

Overall I think you have a good grasp of what the Cardinals need

DaBear89
01-19-2008, 04:05 PM
okay bears draft. love otah in the 1st. if we go WR we dont need a HR threat as that is what hester will be. Slaton is nice in the 3rd and Henne is w/e.

jdb1972
01-19-2008, 04:12 PM
Unrealistic #1 for the Panthers. Round #2 is good. Round #3... eh; I could see it happening (and I'd like it), though the team's track record tells me it's not likely.

thebow305
01-19-2008, 05:00 PM
Decent Miami draft. I'm not sure if Lofton is a great fit in the 3-4, so I would much rather go with OT Sam Baker there. Also, I am not a huge Steltz fan, I would much rather have a corner there like Cason if he did fall to us, because we are much weaker at corner IMO.

Also, if Gholston is at the same level as Chris Long, why not take Gholston?

Matthew Jones
01-19-2008, 05:07 PM
Since when were there rumors that the Skins are going to a 3-4?

If a 3-4 minded coach were to take over the team, they would likely be switching defenses. When Bill Cowher was a potential head coaching candidate, this was a very strong theory. Do you really think a Cowher or Schottenheimer would come in and leave the 4-3 in place?

Crickett
01-19-2008, 05:10 PM
If a 3-4 minded coach were to take over the team, they would likely be switching defenses. When Bill Cowher was a potential head coaching candidate, this was a very strong theory. Do you really think a Cowher or Schottenheimer would come in and leave the 4-3 in place?

I thought Gregg Williams was going to take over that team. :confused:

Matthew Jones
01-19-2008, 05:13 PM
Wouldn't having Rivers playing across from Cato June make the Bucs linebackers kind of undersized? :confused:

The Buccaneers don't necessarily need big linebackers, they play in the cover-2. It would probably depend on who the next coach is, no?

I hadn't heard that and I'm pretty sure Gregg Williams has always run a 4-3 defense.

Depends on the new head coach,really.

Would the Cowboys draft Manningham after what happened with Crayton's case of the dropsies?

I don't really see the point of taking another big wideout with Crayton/Hurd/Owens on roster, so I'd probably say they'll have to take some sort of risk if they want to upgrade their wide receiving corps.

But would Kansas City really let the league leader in sacks just leave?

They'll definitely TRY and re-sign him, but hey, if the guy doesn't want to play there, he's not going to.

I'd say that of anyone, Vernon Gholston makes the most sense for the Jets at #6. But if they go day 1 without addressing the offensive line or nose tackle, they can expect to be drafting #6 in the '09 draft too.

Haha, nice.

This is the only way I could see the Giants drafting a WR. If it is a complete steal. Otherwise, the Giants have absolutely no need for another receiving threat. They have Plaxico, they have Toomer, they have Shockey, they have Steve Smith and Kevin Boss who appeared to be coming on late in the season, a great run game and the waste of a draft pick that is Sinorice Moss. The Giants really don't need that much help on offense.

Plaxico's a good #1, but Toomer probably won't be around for a while. Most of Manning's interceptions this year have come while throwing the Shockey. Steve Smith is more of a slot receiver.

What about last year's second round draft pick, Brandon Jackson?

Jackson didn't really show me anything at all this season aside from a solid performance vs. a terrible Detroit run defense week seventeen, his biggest game aside from that would be 15 attempts for 40 yards against Philly and their undersized line.

And hey, thanks for reading through all of it!

Matthew Jones
01-19-2008, 05:15 PM
Saints analysis

First off, great job with the mock and good analysis for every pick.

Now on to the Saints.

1st Round - Mike Jenkins, CB: I like the pick. He represents the best value and is probably the most complete CB in the draft. I'd love for a linebacker or stud defensive tackle but the value just isn't ride. Great pick.

2nd Round - Marcus Harrison, DT: I'm not sold on Harrison as DT. I would much prefer Pat Sims or Dre Moore. I feel that those two are the better prospects.

3rd Round - J Leman probably represents the best value there but if Martellus Bennett was still on the board I'd rather have him.

Overall, solid but unspectacular draft for the Saints

As far as Harrison, I'm actually a bigger fan of Sims and Moore as well, and either one of them could definitely go before Harrison. I was mostly leaning towards Harrison for now as it seems like people like Mayock have him pegged to go before Sims/Moore. I actually forgot about Martellus Bennett in the draft, but seeing as some have him projected to go third round anyways, it's not a huge miss, but I'll definitely consider that if the opportunity presents itself next time I make a mock, assuming I go three rounds.

Matthew Jones
01-19-2008, 05:17 PM
Great Cardinals Draft, and excellent work on the whole thing

I think Stewart is going to be the top RB from this class and at 1st will split carries with Edge but possibly by the end of his 1st year could get most of the carries, weird explanation though Our defense isn't changing schemes any time soon just adding talent and improving with more experience

Give us Cason in the 2nd, no way will he last that long but he is the #2 CB in the class imo and will prove it over his career

Collins is great value in the 3rd and OT depth is always good

Overall I think you have a good grasp of what the Cardinals need

I wouldn't be surprised if the Cardinals moved to a 3-4 defense as Whisenhunt comes from a program where the 3-4 was the defense of choice and it's not like Arizona has exactly done too much with their 4-3 that would make it easy to resist a change like the Steelers did in their 3-4 as opposed to Tomlin's 4-3 preference. I like the way you think as far as Cason. He's actually probably my #2 cornerback as well. I think speed concerns are overblown - I'd be more shocked if he ran a 4.6 than if he ran a 4.4.

Matthew Jones
01-19-2008, 05:21 PM
Decent Miami draft. I'm not sure if Lofton is a great fit in the 3-4, so I would much rather go with OT Sam Baker there. Also, I am not a huge Steltz fan, I would much rather have a corner there like Cason if he did fall to us, because we are much weaker at corner IMO.

Also, if Gholston is at the same level as Chris Long, why not take Gholston?

Lofton is a terrific value there, as some think he's a mid-first rounder with a good combine. Size is really overblown when it comes to planning for the 3-4 defense, in my opinion. Tedy Bruschi is what, 6'1", 245? You're not honestly going to tell me that one inch and seven pounds is a huge difference, are you? I considered Baker, but I thought Miami's offensive line was actually pretty decent this year. They opened a ton of running lanes for Brown earlier on and at one point were ranked as the #1 rushing offensive line in terms of success rate. It wasn't like Cleo Lemon was getting sacked left and right, so they might be able to put that off. I could see Cason being the pick there, I just think Steltz is exactly the kind of player that Parcells drafts. Finally, really just because Long is considered to be the better prospect at this point by most people. The difference isn't all that big, though, if you ask me.

Matthew Jones
01-19-2008, 05:23 PM
I thought Gregg Williams was going to take over that team. :confused:

Is it really that close to being a done deal? I guess I just haven't been paying enough attention, huh? Haha, sorry about that. Regardless, Washington's defensive line has been bad for a while, and they could still use Balmer and Langford.

Hurricane Ditka
01-19-2008, 05:48 PM
I'd rather take a chance on Flacco than Henne.

Bills2083
01-19-2008, 06:07 PM
I wouldnt mind Sweed, or Kelly in the 1st.

The whole draft is perfect for the Bills.

T-RICH49
01-19-2008, 06:17 PM
KC is NOT letting Allen leave we'll tag him if we have to.Wchuening would be better pick

Canadian_kid16
01-19-2008, 06:20 PM
holy ****, if that Bucs draft happened, I would love it immensly. Great job in getting value for our picks, these picks are perfect for the future of our team

A+

skinzzfan25
01-19-2008, 06:20 PM
Is it really that close to being a done deal? I guess I just haven't been paying enough attention, huh? Haha, sorry about that. Regardless, Washington's defensive line has been bad for a while, and they could still use Balmer and Langford.

I'd rather have Gosder Cherilus in the first and Cason in the 2nd.

Langford in the 3rd however is a good selection.

foozball
01-19-2008, 07:51 PM
with anthony collins on the board in the 3rd, i dont think the texans can pass him up. CB is a position they will address in FA since Dunta is injured and Fred Bennett is the #2 CB.

Caddy
01-19-2008, 08:12 PM
As soon as I saw the Bucs picking a first round LB I stopped reading.

Tampa 2 4 life
01-19-2008, 08:39 PM
Replace Rivers with Campbell and the Bucs mock is perfect.

JT Jag
01-19-2008, 08:56 PM
I'd like Ainge in the third for the Jags.

Otherwise, I'd be dancing in the streets if we had that draft.

LonghornsLegend
01-19-2008, 08:57 PM
your picks for Dallas werent bad, but you didnt take a corner with the first 3 picks, which thats pretty much no way possible that will happen, more then likely it will be a first rd pick but if in some circumstance we trade one, we will definately take one in the 2nd, thats a glaring need and probably the biggest need of the offseason

Shane P. Hallam
01-19-2008, 09:01 PM
I love the Steelers draft too. Lots of O-line and value in WR. I think overall, your mock is very good. Good values, no needs out of whack.

Beans
01-19-2008, 09:54 PM
the bucs dont need a linebacker
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the rest is good though

tjsunstein
01-19-2008, 10:23 PM
I don't like Rice in the third, but the first two rounds are so amazing I wouldn't care who we take for the next 4.

Same with me. Although I will get a little greedy and suggest we take a tackle in the third.

Mr. Handz 12
01-19-2008, 10:54 PM
There is NO WAY Bowman falls all the way to the 88th pick thats just crazy.

BlindSite
01-19-2008, 11:41 PM
2nd and 3rd are great picks, but I doubt we take Brohm with the roster and we've currently got. Carr will likely be gone in the offseason and Delhomme will definitely see a return behind him we've got matt moore who showed he can be accurate and confident in the pocket. Last few games he started the problem was a lack of options beyond King, Smith and Williams.

You'd be better off giving us a WR or even possibly another HB at this slot and waiting off the QB idea.

JCutlery
01-20-2008, 01:27 AM
Great Denver picks, you addressed both the offensive and defensive lines. Nice job.

Don Killuminati
01-20-2008, 04:10 AM
Not in love with Baker in Rd2, but Ellis in Rd1 would be ideal there with Long & Dorsey off the board.

dbtb135
01-20-2008, 04:27 AM
the bucs dont need a linebacker
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the rest is good though

No we don't. That was my main problem with it. That and Colt is a poor choice for us. We wait that long, and we won't take a QB IMO.

Mr Spoons
01-20-2008, 08:29 PM
7. New England Patriots (f/SF) - Derrick Harvey, DE/OLB, Florida

New England has shown they are willing to go to Urban Meyer's program for draft picks lately and Harvey fits in well into a defense that could still use some speed.

Sniff..sniff...wah...no, Staley will be good...


30. San Francisco 49ers (f/IND) - Philip Merling, DE, Clemson

With the impending retirement of Bryant Young, San Francisco could use some defensive line depth. Merling is a nice fit for their defense and can help improve their terrible run defense.

We do need to replace BY, and I will admit to knowing not much about Merling. Just wanted to say that our run defence wasn't all that terrible, being tied for 5th in YPC against, just that teams ran a lot on us because they knew that if they got 3-0 up, they just needed to run out the clock... :(


40. San Francisco 49ers - Early Doucet, WR, Louisiana St.

Mike Martz may love the deep ball, and although Doucet got only 9.2 YPC last year in college, he's probably the most talented wideout left in the draft and could be their #1 receiver.

Well..we do need receiver, but probably our biggest need is still that elusive NT prospect andfrom what I've heard about him, if we let Pat Sims go past us for a "not ideal" WR, I think I would cry.


71. San Francisco 49ers - Shawn Crable, OLB, Michigan


I like this pick though...

TitanHope
01-20-2008, 11:06 PM
Kelly and Carlson are great, but I don't really like going WR twice with our early picks. We have our potential #1 WR who can be a redzone threat, and a starting caliber TE.

Now, I like Douglas, but we just have more pressing needs. DL, OL, and MLB are still needs pending FA, of course. We could lose our two starting OG's this offseason. Benji Olsen may retire, and Jacob Bell could leave in FA. Brandon Albert and Kerry Brown are both available, and would be good picks if OL becomes a priority. We tend to take later round OL, and allow Mike Munchak, or OL coach, to coach them up into good players. I'd say he'd be excited about Albert. Then, both of our LE's, Antwan Odom and Travis LaBoy, are FA's too. Odom is our every down DE, who is the better of the two. LaBoy is our pass-rushing end. Both are a bit injury prone, but are solid players nonetheless. I think Odom stays, and LaBoy may go. So we'd be needing a pass-rushing DE. We may need one anyway, as our DL tends to tire quickly do depth is a must. So that would be a priority over WR, but I don't think there's value. Same goes for MLB.

Though, it may be possible to skip Carlson in the 2nd RD and pick up someone like Frank Okam, Jonathan Goff, or a pass-rusher like Groves. Then in the 3rd RD, take Jermichael Finley who has great potential. Kelly, Goff, Finley would be good.

Nevertheless, ok mock for the Titans.

IBleedGreen18
01-21-2008, 12:32 AM
Give Jets Williams or Schuening in round 2

SteelCityNightmare
01-21-2008, 06:31 AM
Like the fact that you focused on the O-Line for the first two picks of the Steelers draft. They will also be looking to bolster depth on the D-Line as well. Good Steelers draft.

ABWA757
01-22-2008, 08:01 AM
Good Buff picks but i wish that we get a TE