View Full Version : Fasell, Zorn, and Rex Ryan to the Skins?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/23/AR2008012302806.html?hpid=topnews
The Washington Redskins are expected to name Jim Fassel their new head coach and Jim Zorn has emerged as the top choice to be their new offensive coordinator, sources said this afternoon, but no deals have been finalized.
The hang-up is that the Redskins also want to name Rex Ryan as the team's new defensive coordinator, sources said. Ryan has been the defensive coordinator for the Baltimore Ravens for the past three seasons. But the Redskins have been stymied in their attempts to hire him because the Ravens still retain contractual rights that allow them to block Ryan from taking another defensive coordinator job.
The sides may reach an agreement, but Ravens ownership badly wants to keep Ryan, who is well-liked by Ravens players. Fassel and Ryan spoke as recently as last night, sources said, and Ryan interviewed with Redskins owner Daniel Snyder recently, according to sources.
703SKINS202
01-23-2008, 07:45 PM
uggggghh fassel is ok but its just gonna be another 3 and out regime
wish snyder and williams could get along and keep this team in the right direction
BamaFalcon59
01-23-2008, 07:53 PM
Lucky they might get Rex Ryan, great defensive coordinator.
PalmerToCJ
01-23-2008, 08:10 PM
The second Gibbs decided to step down I gave up all hope of the Bengals getting Ryan because I knew if anyone got him it would be Washington.
XxXdragonXxX
01-23-2008, 08:27 PM
Hopefully Zorn turns the job down. I believe Gil Haskell will go out with Holmgren after 2008, and if Zorn is still with the team he would be the msot likely replacement.
hugegmenfan
01-23-2008, 08:47 PM
jim fassell is heralded as an offensive mind- he could not do squat for the ravens offense and was not a fabulous head coach with the giants. he is not a good head coaching choice- i would have gone with greg williams
skinzzfan25
01-23-2008, 08:49 PM
If Fasell is more of just a standby person, I wouldn't be too opposed to this. Rex has a good eye for defensive talent, and could possibly turn Landry into the next Reed.
Don't know much about Zorn or the type of offense he runs. What I do know however is that Campbell is not meant for Saunders' offense. It doesn't rely so much on natural talent and arm strength, but rather quick reads and decisions (see Green and Collins).
I do feel bad for Campbell and GW though. Gibbs pretty much set him up to get the head coaching job and he got shafted. And Campbell hasn't had a consecutive season in the same play book for ages (even back to Auburn).
Hopefully this can all work out. I don't think it will.
"Too many chiefs, not enough Indians."
Yung Flippa
01-23-2008, 09:44 PM
What happens to Greg Williams?
Nitschke-Hawk
01-23-2008, 10:11 PM
Just make Rex Ryan the HC. Imagine the things he could have done with Sean Taylor and Landry, but I am still excited to see what he could do with Landry.
What happens to Greg Williams?
my guess is jax as dcoord.
A Perfect Score
01-23-2008, 10:35 PM
well if they are so set on having rex ryan, we will take greg williams as our new DC anyday. I wanted him as the new HC in baltimore when all this began, i would love to bring him in to man the defence.
http://firejimfassel.com
http://firesnyderandfassel.com
I just find it really funny, as he's not even hired yet.
jkpigskin
01-24-2008, 11:18 AM
i dont understand the redskins interest in fassell?
im not to fond of him as a coach and after the emotional season the redskins had, i would've thought they would look in house for their next coach
Jughead10
01-24-2008, 11:27 AM
i dont understand the redskins interest in fassell?
im not to fond of him as a coach and after the emotional season the redskins had, i would've thought they would look in house for their next coach
I can only think so he can work with Jason Campbell. Fassell is a very QB friendly coach. He worked with John Elway all those years, and turned around Kerry Collins career before it went down the shitter again.
The Unseen
01-24-2008, 11:50 AM
http://firejimfassel.com
http://firesnyderandfassel.com
I just find it really funny, as he's not even hired yet.
On Fire Snyder and Fassel:
"We suggest looking into the possibility of a new ownership group featuring a coalition of Joe Gibbs, Chuck Norris, and Barack Obama."
lol
portermvp84
01-24-2008, 12:27 PM
Greg Williams is a good DC, but Rex Ryan made the Ravens a killer defense.
bsaza2358
01-24-2008, 12:30 PM
That is awesome, even though the guy hasn't been hired. Surprised that there wasn't a "Fire Joe Gibbs" site.
bsaza2358
01-24-2008, 12:31 PM
Ryan had more to work with than Williams did. Look at his DLine when he first started. Williams had a lot of guys who didn't fit his system, and he made them respectable. He didn't have a major DE presence until this year. He had ST21 as his only true star, and the Skins were quite good under his guidance.
Ewing
01-24-2008, 12:45 PM
That is awesome, even though the guy hasn't been hired. Surprised that there wasn't a "Fire Joe Gibbs" site.
A Redskin fan calling for the firing of Joe Gibbs would be like a Colts fan calling for the release of Peyton Manning.
703SKINS202
01-24-2008, 01:08 PM
A Redskin fan calling for the firing of Joe Gibbs would be like a Colts fan calling for the release of Peyton Manning.
you would think that but not after this run, i was glad he retired
snyder is such an idiot hurry up and just get a coach so u can fire him in 2 years then pay cowher like 12 mil a year and look like a candyass dbag
TPFKA#1SaintsFan
01-24-2008, 02:15 PM
What happens to Greg Williams?
I'm crossing my fingers as we speak and hoping that he comes to the Saints.
niel89
01-24-2008, 05:55 PM
Rex Ryan hasnt even talked to the redskins and says he wants to stay with the ravens probably.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-ryan0124,0,5878649.story
XxXdragonXxX
01-24-2008, 08:30 PM
According to someone on the Redskins scout.com board....
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=71&f=1348&t=1908726&sto=pagestart#s=71&f=1348&t=1908726
On SportsRise this morning, the anchor said that Kelli Johnson is reporting that Jim Zorn will get "an offer he can't refuse" to return to the Seahawks as QB coach and offensive coordinator in waiting, getting the job after Holmgren retires at the end of this coming season. He will not be coming to Washington, according to Johnson
The anchor also said that compensation issues make it highly unlikely that Rex Ryan will make the lateral move to become the Redskins defensive coordinator.
The Unseen
01-24-2008, 08:49 PM
A Redskin fan calling for the firing of Joe Gibbs would be like a Colts fan calling for the release of Peyton Manning.
You should've seen the Colts board after their divisional loss to the Steelers, then.
D-Unit
01-24-2008, 08:52 PM
Greg Williams is the best man for the job. But as a Dallas fan, I hope Fassell is indeed the HC. He's a loser.
I had a feeling all of that was bs, is just like when a player is a free agent, everyone always want to send them to the redskins.
bigbluedefense
01-24-2008, 09:04 PM
Greg Williams is a good DC, but Rex Ryan made the Ravens a killer defense.
I don't agree with that. Baltimore's defense has always been good. The coordinators came and went, but the defense stayed the same.
Why? Because of the TALENT. Look at what overhyped coordinators such as Marvin Lewis and Mike Nolan have done since they left the Ravens. Jack. Thats what they did.
How hard is it to run the Ravens defense? I mean seriously, you can call whatever you want, and chances are it will still work. They had aging CBs this year, and Ryan's "scheme" looked very vulnerable. Its not Ryan, its the players.
skinzzfan25
01-25-2008, 04:36 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3214785
Well, it looks like Zorn to be OC. Good news for Campbell, I think he can preform much better in a Zorn run offense.
Although, this hasn't been posted on Redskins.com, so take it for what is worth. Earlier Fassel was reported to be the HC but isn't so far.
thats nice. i really like zorn and think that he will really help campbells future.
XxXdragonXxX
01-25-2008, 08:48 PM
Damn, losing Zorn sucks.
The Legend
01-25-2008, 08:54 PM
I don't agree with that. Baltimore's defense has always been good. The coordinators came and went, but the defense stayed the same.
Why? Because of the TALENT. Look at what overhyped coordinators such as Marvin Lewis and Mike Nolan have done since they left the Ravens. Jack. Thats what they did.
How hard is it to run the Ravens defense? I mean seriously, you can call whatever you want, and chances are it will still work. They had aging CBs this year, and Ryan's "scheme" looked very vulnerable. Its not Ryan, its the players.
the intresting thing about this i belive the talent level has gone down, i think they need to get some more talent around guys like Ray Lewis & Chris McAlister that can bring help them out
they need some talent on the defence side to be what they once where
Redskins4Bowl26
01-26-2008, 07:51 AM
My guess is that Gregg Williams waits it out to see if he gets Head Coach Position. If he dosnt he'll wait it out to see if the Ravens lose Rex Ryan. He loves the area and so does his family. He's stated he has NEVER wanted to move again if he can help it. If the Ravens lose Rex Ryan he'll be hired as the Ravens Defensive Coordinater and I wish him best. If that does not happen I think he'll either go to Jacksonville or sit out a year(call me crazy).
skinzzfan25
01-26-2008, 01:02 PM
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/01/gregg_williams_is_gone.html
Well GW is gone.
Screw Snyder, he's throwing away everything Gibbs built for him in the last 4 years. I wish GW the best of luck.
bearsfan_51
01-26-2008, 01:34 PM
I like Blache as the defensive coordinator there. Not sure how much input he's already had, but he's a fiery dude that commands respect from his players. I know Urlacher loved him.
Redskins dismiss both Al Saunders and Gregg Williams. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3215817)
Good move by the franchise, knowing they wanted to move on from both coaches but letting them leave now means they still have a chance to get a job for next season.
And I'm with 51 in liking the Blache promotion.
skinzzfan25
01-26-2008, 02:19 PM
I still would have liked Williams to lead our defense. I still think that if we get somebody like Spags from NY or pretty much anybody not Jim Fassel/Mora we are moving in the right direction.
EDIT: Now that I think about it, it's probably going to be a defensive minded HC coming in. Zorn left Seattle in order to run his own offense, so that hopefully leaves out people like McDaniels and Fassel.
Look for Spags, Schwartz (a Williams descendant, very similar defenses) or maybe Rex Ryan.
Although, Fassel is very much an option, he could just come in and be a figure head.
bigbluedefense
01-26-2008, 02:27 PM
Who's going to want to HC a team that already has its OC and DC picked out? Isn't that the coach's job?
This is dumb on so many levels. And hopefully this means no Spags there either, since the DC is a Cover 2 guy.
I smell a Jim Fassell hire very soon.
bearsfan_51
01-26-2008, 02:28 PM
Who's going to want to HC a team that already has its OC and DC picked out? Isn't that the coach's job?
This is dumb on so many levels. And hopefully this means no Spags there either, since the DC is a Cover 2 guy.
I smell a Jim Fassell hire very soon.
Greg Blache isn't a cover 2 guy at all, where did you get that?
bigbluedefense
01-26-2008, 02:30 PM
Greg Blache isn't a cover 2 guy at all, where did you get that?
out of my ass quite honestly. I assumed he was since he worked under the Bears.
skinzzfan25
01-26-2008, 02:31 PM
Greg Blache isn't a cover 2 guy at all, where did you get that?
What did he run in CHI?
I'm not that familiar with him.
On another note, the Skins also resigned Kirk Olivadotti, LBer coach. Hopefully he can be our DC in a few years.
bigbluedefense
01-26-2008, 02:32 PM
the intresting thing about this i belive the talent level has gone down, i think they need to get some more talent around guys like Ray Lewis & Chris McAlister that can bring help them out
they need some talent on the defence side to be what they once where
exactly, and thats why you saw a dip in production. the talent wasn't up to par, and the defense took a step back. i don't know how much Ryan's schemes had to do with their production, compared to their talent.
Because of that, i think Rex is overrated. Hes not bad by any means, but he's not the god of DCs either.
bearsfan_51
01-26-2008, 02:36 PM
Blache was the defensive coordinator under Dick Jauron, not Lovie.
This was back when we had Ted Washington and Keith Traylor holding up blockers for Brian Urlacher and Warrick Holdman with Rosey Colvin blitzing from the outside.
That's not to say that you'll get the same type of defense in Washington. Blache is most famous here for saying that sacks were overrated and that he didn't care about them. That's probably why Brian Robinson and Phllip Daniels were our starting defensive ends. He was always much more concerned with being stout against the run. It was actually the total opposite of Lovie's defense. Probably the closest to what Jacksonville does now.
LonghornsLegend
01-26-2008, 02:38 PM
Wow I thought Williams had the job, Snyder always finds a way to spend his money on a mistake
bigbluedefense
01-26-2008, 02:40 PM
Blache was the defensive coordinator under Dick Jauron, not Lovie.
This was back when we had Ted Washington and Keith Traylor holding up blockers for Brian Urlacher and Warrick Holdman with Rosey Colvin blitzing from the outside.
That's not to say that you'll get the same type of defense in Washington. Blache is most famous here for saying that sacks were overrated and that he didn't care about them. That's probably why Brian Robinson and Phllip Daniels were our starting defensive ends. He was always much more concerned with being stout against the run. It was actually the total opposite of Lovie's defense. Probably the closest to what Jacksonville does now.
well knowing that now, i can see them using essentially the same scheme that they already use in Washington.
Washington will play the role of Colvin. Washington still ran a decent amount of Cover 2 under Williams.
BlindSite
01-27-2008, 06:52 PM
I really don't get why Williams got turfed.
Jughead10
01-27-2008, 07:07 PM
Blache was the defensive coordinator under Dick Jauron, not Lovie.
This was back when we had Ted Washington and Keith Traylor holding up blockers for Brian Urlacher and Warrick Holdman with Rosey Colvin blitzing from the outside.
That's not to say that you'll get the same type of defense in Washington. Blache is most famous here for saying that sacks were overrated and that he didn't care about them. That's probably why Brian Robinson and Phllip Daniels were our starting defensive ends. He was always much more concerned with being stout against the run. It was actually the total opposite of Lovie's defense. Probably the closest to what Jacksonville does now.
Sacks are overrated. Ha. No wonder he took the DC job at Washington, with no legit passrushers of any kind outside of Carter.
I can't see Spags taking this job. As is it looks like this guy has a polar oppsite view on defense as he does. Spags defense is all about getting after the QB and playing the run as it comes to you while getting after the QB. While I don't think Coughlin, Reese, and company would hold him back from getting this job if he truly wanted it, I think they would seriously advice him against the Redskins job especially after having both coordinators named. Spags would be so much better off waiting another year.
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