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DeathbyStat
01-24-2008, 07:44 AM
Mike Mayock has this guy rated as the number 1 corner in the draft.

Is he?

tylerb929
01-24-2008, 07:49 AM
Mike Mayock has this guy rated as the number 1 corner in the draft.

Is he?

Probably not for every team, but do to his versatile skill set he could play in any number of schemes. And due to that I could see him being the number 1 overall guy, while probably not being the number 1 CB on most teams boards.

He looked good from what I saw, quick, fast, good at diagnosing plays, and probably the best footwork of any of the CBs in the draft.

darnik44two
01-24-2008, 08:24 AM
I'm sure alot of teams will like McKelvin alot. His technique and ball skills are terrific. He gets his hands on a ton of balls, just doesn't catch them. So some teams will view him as a good cover corner, but a guy who won't get alot of INT's. He'll run in the low 4.4's at the combine, so speed isn't an issue. One thing I've noticed is he slips and falls alot, that equals 6 points in the NFL. He needs to work on his T-step when he makes a break. I also think his intelligence will be questioned. He was interviewed after practice and sounded like a guy who will score about a 5 on the wonderlik test. Like most of the top CB's, he has added value in the return game. Overall he's a very good prospect and will be in the top 20 almost certainly.

NFL comparsion: Ike Taylor, Pittsburgh Steelers

DeathbyStat
01-24-2008, 08:31 AM
I'm sure alot of teams will like McKelvin alot. His technique and ball skills are terrific. He gets his hands on a ton of balls, just doesn't catch them. So some teams will view him as a good cover corner, but a guy who won't get alot of INT's. He'll run in the low 4.4's at the combine, so speed isn't an issue. One thing I've noticed is he slips and falls alot, that equals 6 points in the NFL. He needs to work on his T-step when he makes a break. I also think his intelligence will be questioned. He was interviewed after practice and sounded like a guy who will score about a 5 on the wonderlik test. Like most of the top CB's, he has added value in the return game. Overall he's a very good prospect and will be in the top 20 almost certainly.

NFL comparsion: Ike Taylor, Pittsburgh Steelers

I totally agree, I was thinking Ike Taylor all the way.

darnik44two
01-24-2008, 08:40 AM
Here's that McKelvin interview I spoke of, you be the judge.

http://www.nfl.com/draft

"I breaks on the ball real good," Leodis McKelvin

DeathbyStat
01-24-2008, 08:41 AM
Here's that McKelvin interview I spoke of, you be the judge.

http://www.nfl.com/draft

"I breaks on the ball real good," Leodis McKelvin

I know I watched it on TV....i think he may be dumber than Ike

coop
01-24-2008, 08:42 AM
Here's that McKelvin interview I spoke of, you be the judge.

http://www.nfl.com/draft

"I breaks on the ball real good," Leodis McKelvinHave you been to the south?

JT Jag
01-24-2008, 08:44 AM
Here's that McKelvin interview I spoke of, you be the judge.

http://www.nfl.com/draft

"I breaks on the ball real good," Leodis McKelvinHave you been to the south?And particularly to Alabama, Tennessee, Arkansas and parts of Georgia?

darnik44two
01-24-2008, 08:47 AM
And particularly to Alabama, Tennessee, Arkansas and parts of Georgia?

I know, not alot of intelligence down there, jk.

coop
01-24-2008, 08:49 AM
I know, not alot of intelligence down there, jk.
It has nothing to do with intelligence. And it's "a lot", alot is not a word.

darnik44two
01-24-2008, 08:50 AM
It has nothing to do with intelligence. And it's "a lot", alot is not a word.

He struggled to put enough words together to make a sentance. Also, alot is one of those words that is correct either way.

coop
01-24-2008, 08:53 AM
He struggled to put enough words together to make a sentance. Also, alot is one of those words that is correct either way.

Oh, like alittle?

DeathbyStat
01-24-2008, 09:02 AM
I feel this being locked in a very short time

Jakey
01-24-2008, 09:25 AM
It has nothing to do with intelligence. And it's "a lot", alot is not a word.

http://th99.photobucket.com/albums/l298/sep_13/th_Stop_Grammar_Time.gif

toonsterwu
01-24-2008, 09:31 AM
Mike Mayock has this guy rated as the number 1 corner in the draft.

Is he?

as of right now, it is looking that way. while mike jenkins will make a strong case for it, mckelvin is smoother in man coverage and shows better football intelligence and awareness at the same stage. i think, in terms of draft value and skillset, dunta robinson in 2004 is a good comparison.

skpac
01-24-2008, 12:36 PM
It has nothing to do with intelligence. And it's "a lot", alot is not a word.

Maybe you should change that to "It has nothings to do with intelligence." Just to be consistent with his speech.

foozball
01-24-2008, 12:45 PM
"I loved watching Troy CB Leodis McKelvin. Scouts have told me he's the best CB in the draft and they compare him to Dunta Robinson and now I see why. He's a good tackler but he also has great hips and a great break on the ball. He is going to fly up the draft board, mark my words."

-Lance Zierlein

http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2008/01/post_41.html

LonghornsLegend
01-24-2008, 12:48 PM
Everybody isnt good at public speaking, or talking in front of cameras, no point in clowning the guy about it...He's a good kid, and has a strong skill set for cb, he's not a qb and he's not trying to work for nbc in 10-15 years so I his speech is irrelevant, he wont slide because he cant structure proper grammer

foozball
01-24-2008, 12:56 PM
anybody remember bo jackson's public speaking problem?

Jakey
01-24-2008, 12:57 PM
Everybody isnt good at public speaking, or talking in front of cameras, no point in clowning the guy about it...He's a good kid, and has a strong skill set for cb, he's not a qb and he's not trying to work for nbc in 10-15 years so I his speech is irrelevant, he wont slide because he cant structure proper grammer

I agree with that...i saw an interview with Willie Parker, and he sounded like a complete 'tard...but i've also seen small interviews and press conferences with him, and he seems like a normal down to earth guy. Some ppl are just not good public speekers...simple as.

CARDIAC CAT 7
01-24-2008, 04:00 PM
Dont judge people by the way they talk, not everyone talks like you. If you got into the NFL by the way you spoke, Frank Gore probably would not even be here. Anyways McKelvin is probably the best Man-to-Man Corner, Jenkins I think could play both Man-to-Man and Cover 2. I think those two are fighting for the top spot.

ATLDirtyBirds
01-24-2008, 04:07 PM
Dont judge people by the way they talk, not everyone talks like you. If you got into the NFL by the way you spoke, Frank Gore probably would not even be here. Anyways McKelvin is probably the best Man-to-Man Corner, Jenkins I think could play both Man-to-Man and Cover 2. I think those two are fighting for the top spot.


I think it's very close too.

BamaFalcon59
01-24-2008, 04:19 PM
I have never been too impressed with Jenkins. I like McKelvin to end up on top.

More interesting is him and Kiper have no safety, meaning no Kenny Phillips, in round one.

theogt
01-24-2008, 04:22 PM
Here's that McKelvin interview I spoke of, you be the judge.

http://www.nfl.com/draft

"I breaks on the ball real good," Leodis McKelvinThough he was difficult to listen to, I did like his answers once deciphered.

Dcboys94
01-24-2008, 04:31 PM
could be, but who knows. I don't have Troy games set up on my DVR. As many of you proly don't. Senior bowl and combine we will know.

darnik44two
01-24-2008, 04:37 PM
I have never been too impressed with Jenkins. I like McKelvin to end up on top.

More interesting is him and Kiper have no safety, meaning no Kenny Phillips, in round one.

That seems to be the buzz about Phillips right now. I know he didn't receive a first round grade from the advisory commitee. Here's what I think. Just about everyone at Miami underachieved this season. I just don't think there was much heart on that team. It's a contagious thing. Look at Calais Campbell, what did he do that was so spectacular this year? He came into the season as a lock to go in the top 10. Campbell is a guy who will likely still get drafted in the 1st because of his potential, just not as high as he could have or should have. I think the same thing will happen with Phillips. Once he gets to the combine and teams see how he can move around they'll fall in love with his potential. Aside from that, there are several teams in need of safety help. I think near the middle of the first there are some teams who could be buyers. It only takes one. Denver, Carolina, Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, Houston, Philadelphia, Tampa Bay, Washington, Dallas...any of those teams you can say will give him a long hard look.

tylerb929
01-24-2008, 06:39 PM
I did like his answers once deciphered.

Oh cool, you got the McKelvin decoder in your box of cereal aswell?

Hines
01-24-2008, 09:20 PM
That seems to be the buzz about Phillips right now. I know he didn't receive a first round grade from the advisory commitee. Here's what I think. Just about everyone at Miami underachieved this season. I just don't think there was much heart on that team. It's a contagious thing. Look at Calais Campbell, what did he do that was so spectacular this year? He came into the season as a lock to go in the top 10. Campbell is a guy who will likely still get drafted in the 1st because of his potential, just not as high as he could have or should have. I think the same thing will happen with Phillips. Once he gets to the combine and teams see how he can move around they'll fall in love with his potential. Aside from that, there are several teams in need of safety help. I think near the middle of the first there are some teams who could be buyers. It only takes one. Denver, Carolina, Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, Houston, Philadelphia, Tampa Bay, Washington, Dallas...any of those teams you can say will give him a long hard look.


If Phillips fell to 23, I would take him in a heart beat. Move him to corner.

But regardless, I wouldnt be suprised to see Patrick Lee move up and be the first corner taken.

BamaFalcon59
01-24-2008, 09:25 PM
Though he was difficult to listen to, I did like his answers once deciphered.

That was funny lol.

Achilles33
01-24-2008, 09:25 PM
If the Cowboys left Hamlin go i'll cry, but then if they take Phillips at 22 I'll ejaculate. LMAO.

He is more of a fit for roy williams anyway.

BamaFalcon59
01-24-2008, 09:33 PM
If Hamlin is cut I could see Atlanta picking him up.

DanteXavier
01-25-2008, 01:01 AM
Dont judge people by the way they talk, not everyone talks like you. If you got into the NFL by the way you spoke, Frank Gore probably would not even be here. Anyways McKelvin is probably the best Man-to-Man Corner, Jenkins I think could play both Man-to-Man and Cover 2. I think those two are fighting for the top spot.

Just to be fair(not making an argument just pointing it out), Frank Gore got like a 6 on the wonderlic.

fenikz
01-25-2008, 01:24 AM
If the Cowboys left Hamlin go i'll cry, but then if they take Phillips at 22 I'll ejaculate. LMAO.

He is more of a fit for roy williams anyway.

he won't get past 16 and if he does ill kill Graves, Kano style

jnew76
01-25-2008, 05:44 AM
I love when people on this board are critical of athletes "intelligence". Leodis McKelvin was smart enough to work to hone his craft for most of his life and to become one of the elite prospects in the NFL draft. Therefore enabling him to one day soon be paid millions of dollars. There are so many athletes with the same amount of potential that no one has ever heard of because they weren't smart enough to take advantage of their talent.

It is pretty weak to make fun of a 21-22 year old kid being interviewed on a national stage after practicing in front of tons of NFL scouts with millions of dollars hanging in the balance. What do you say we give the guy a break.

The Legend
01-25-2008, 06:26 AM
i think hes gonna go number one with a poor 40 time from Mike Jenkins

MetSox17
01-25-2008, 09:44 AM
As a cowboys fan i was kinda disappointed to see Leodis McKelvin tear it up so much at the senior bowl practices.. He was projected to fall in their laps at 22, but now it would be a long shot, to say the least, to land him. If Kenny Phillips were to drop, i'd be more than glad to have that as a compensatory prize.

Iamcanadian
01-25-2008, 10:11 AM
It was suggested that if Mckelvin continues to workout well at the combine, he has a legitimate shot at the top 10.

As for Phillips, Mayock has him as the #2 Safety now behind DaJuan Morgan of North Carolina St. I agree with Darko that Miami players will be closely watched in the post season to see if they are better than their senior season suggests but nevertheless, he won't get marks for not putting out when he knows pro scouts are judging him.

ToldLikeItIs
01-25-2008, 11:49 AM
Where do you all think Charles Godfrey will go if he runs in the 4.4's at the combine?

Thanks.

Larry
01-25-2008, 11:57 AM
If he's the number one corner this really is a weak CB draft.

D-Unit
01-25-2008, 12:55 PM
If he's the number one corner this really is a weak CB draft.
It's weak at the top, but runs very deep. The difference between the #1 and #10 CB may be 3 rounds, but the talent difference isn't that significant. I don't think that there is a CB worth a top 10 pick. But based off need, we could see some reaches.

McKelvin is getting hype right now, but it's only because of the SB. I still think Jenkins will end up being the first corner taken.

MetSox17
01-25-2008, 01:17 PM
It's weak at the top, but runs very deep. The difference between the #1 and #10 CB may be 3 rounds, but the talent difference isn't that significant. I don't think that there is a CB worth a top 10 pick. But based off need, we could see some reaches.

McKelvin is getting hype right now, but it's only because of the SB. I still think Jenkins will end up being the first corner taken.

I dont think it's as much hype as it is exposure when it comes to McKelvin. Not many people could say that they had seen him play regularly before, so with some national exposure, he's getting praised, but with merit. I would have liked to see Mike Jenkins show up to the SB, just to compare the two and really figure out how they stack up against top level competition for a game