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bearsfan_51
01-26-2008, 03:34 AM
Haven't done one of these in a while. Probably pointless to do one before the Senior Bowl, but I won't get a chance to watch the game anyway so here we go. A few trades, listed before the picks (obviously).

Trades
New England Patriots trade the 7th pick and the 96th pick to the Carolina Panthers for the 13th pick and the 43rd pick.

Cincinnati Bengals trade the 9th pick to the New England Patriots for the 13th pick and the 70th pick.

Tennessee Titans trade the 24th pick to the Detroit Lions for Roy Williams (WR).

San Diego Chargers trade the 27th pick to the Atlanta Falcons for the 48th pick and the 69th pick.

New York Giants trade the 31st pick and the 128th pick to the Kansas City Chiefs for the 35th pick and the 102nd pick.

Oakland Raiders trade the 34th pick to the Minnesota Vikings for the 47th pick and a 3rd pick in 2009.

New England trades the 43rd pick to the Dallas Cowboys for Bobby Carpenter and the 62nd pick.






1) Miami Dolphins- Chris Long, DE/OLB, Virginia
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/writers/bill_trocchi/10/17/conference.rankings/t1_long.jpg
-Seems like the consensus pick for the moment. While a lot of people consider Dorsey or McFadden, my actually debate was between the two Long's and Matt Ryan. I want to go Ryan here. I think it makes the most sense honestly, but I have a feeling that Parcells and co. will want to go with a vet ala Trent Green.


2) St. Louis Rams- Jake Long, OT, Michigan
http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper851/stills/ckvkx688.jpg
-Not the sexiest pick, but probably the wisest. They can't have another season of Marc Bulger on his back.


3) Atlanta Falcons- Darren McFadden, Runningback, Arkansas
http://sportswrap.berecruited.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/2006-11-11-arkansas.jpg
-Chalk me up as someone that thinks McFadden is the more likely pick. Mularky is going to need a workhorse, and McFadden is someone that will excite the city, something I don't think Matt Ryan would do.



4) Oakland Raiders- Glenn Dorsey, Defensive Tackle, Louisiana State
http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2007/10/03/dorseyx.jpg
The absence of McFadden makes this a simple choice between Dorsey and Ellis. I chose Dorsey.



5) Kansas City Chiefs- Sedrick Ellis, Defensive Tackle, Southern Cal
http://usc.rivals.com/IMAGES/Player/photo/SED_ELLIS_SLED(200).JPG
-Another seemingly consensus pick. I wouldn't rule out Matt Ryan here as well. The Chiefs just have way too many needs though, even if Croyle isn't the answer.


6) New York Jets- Vernon Gholston, Outside Linebacker, Ohio State
http://menofthescarletandgray.com/wp-content/uploads/gholston.jpg
Gholston reminds me of Vernon Davis except he actually knows how to play football.


7) Carolina Panthers (f/ NE)- Ryan Clady, Offensive Tackle, Boise State
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/44/447184.jpg
While a jump up for Ryan is possible, it's more likely that the Panthers would get in front of the Ravens for Clady. Not a whole lot going for them currently at the anchor positions.


8) Baltimore Ravens- Matt Ryan, Quarterback, Boston College
http://images.athlonsports.com/d/6668-1/MattRyan_001.jpg
Let me be the first to say that I love the football staff they are putting together in Baltimore. If they can get Ron Rivera as their defensive coordinator I will love it that much more. I was always a Billick supporter, but Harbaugh is someone that really deserved a HC job, and he's putting good people around him.


9) New England Patriots (f/Cin)- Leodis McKelvin, Cornerback, Troy State
http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2007/09/15/PH2007091500115.
After trading down the Pats trade right back up for the player they probably would have taken at #7. I think the Bengals will be looking to move down a bit after it looks like Gholston and Ellis will both be out of reach.




10) New Orleans Saints- Kenny Phillips, Safety, Miami
http://www.draftinsiders.com/system/files/images/Kenny_Phillips.jpg
- While cornerback or linebacker seems to be the more popular pick, I like the versatility that Phillips offers their defese. They've got a lot of young corners (not sure any are that good but they are young) but nobody that really stands out at the safety position. Phillips will be great insurance against the deep ball and a playmaker in the secondary.



11) Buffalo Bills- Mike Jenkins, Cornerback, South Florida
http://www.usforacle.com/media/paper880/stills/369wgsl2.jpg
- Too early for a #2 receiver. Jenkins gives them a corner with speed that can play good man-to-man. Something worth going for in a top 15 pick.



12) Denver Broncos- Keith Rivers, Linebacker, Southern California
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/20/209543.jpg
- Probably not ideal with Clady and Phillips gone, but Rivers is a nice consolation prize. He's having a real nice Senior Bowl week and really establishing himself as the top linebacker.


13) Cincinnati Bengals- Derrick Harvey, Defensive End, Florida
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/43/433678.jpg
-Probably the player they would have taken at #9, Harvey gives the Bengals speed off the edge and a legit pass-rush threat. Should minimize the loss of Justin Smith.


14) Chicago Bears- Brian Brohm, Quarterback, Louisville
http://images.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/_photos/2007-01-14-brohm.jpg
-Not entirely sold on quarterback in the 1st round with the Bears, but wih the board falling as it is I'm not sold on runningback either. Otah is always a thought, but I just don't see him as being a player Angelo would go for. Brohm is getting hit with some tough criticism lately, but I still think he's a lock for the 1st round, and probably falling no further than #20 to the Bucs. He's a safer pick, and someone that can compete for the starting spot right away.




15) Detroit Lions- Jonathan Stewart, Runningback, Oregon
http://images.usatoday.com/sports/_photos/2006/09/12/oregon.jpg
-Lions fans probably won't like it, but I think the pick is runningback. If Jim Colletto is serious about being a run-first team, they need a new runningback. I've never been a Kevin Jones fan and outside of a few burst, he's never given me a reason to be. Mike Martz said himself that he would build an offense around Frank Gore. Wonder why he decided to build on offense around Jon Kitna instead of Kevin Jones....


16) Arizona Cardinals- Reggie Smith, Defensive Back, Oklahoma
http://a.abcnews.com/images/Sports/679c2e20-d2de-4296-a1bf-a9b62624f2b2_ms.jpeg
Ok no more comments, most of these are pretty obvious anyway.



17) Minnesota Vikings- Jeff Otah, Offensive Tackle, Pittsburgh
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/9568/pittblockdj6.png





18) Houston Texans- Felix Jones, Runningback, Arkansas
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/46/469350.jpg
-I think Houston wants to trade back here, I'm just not sure who does it.



19) Philadelphia Eagles- Malcolm Kelly, Wide Receiver, Oklahoma
http://images.usatoday.com/sports/college/_photos/2006-12-02-oklahoma.jpg


20) Tampa Bay Bucs- Desean Jackson, Wide Receiver, California
http://images.athlonsports.com/d/4959-1/JacksonDeSean0381021060007.jpg


21) Washington Redskins- Calais Campbell, Defensive End, Miami
http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/img3.jpg



22) Dallas Cowboys (f/Cle)- Aqib Talib, Cornerback, Kansas
http://msn.foxsports.com/id/7314800_36_1.jpg



23) Pittsburgh Steelers- Gosder Cherilus, Offensive Tackle, Boston College
http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper144/stills/1v0b2a60.jpg



24) Detroit Lions (f/ Ten)- Dan Conner, Linebacker, Penn State
http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/R/htmlR/roseanne/roseanneIMAGE/roseanne.jpg



25) Seattle Seahawks- Rashard Mendenhall, Runningback, Illinois
http://nbcsports.nbcunifiles.com/spts/files/nbcsports/cfb/Week%206%20Top%2025/RashardMendenhall_Illinois_.jpg



26) Jacksonville Jaguars- Phillip Merling, Defensive End, Clemson
http://media.live5news.com/images/merling.jpg
-I honestly don't get the hype on Merling, but 50,000 Elvis fans can't be wrong I suppose.



27) Atlanta Falcons (f/SD)- Andre Woodson, Quarterback, Kentucky
http://thenastyboys.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/andre_woodson.jpg
-I think Woodson proved why Brohm didn't go to the Senior Bowl. That said, the kid just has too much upside and college production to be ignored. I hope he's not a victim to too much over-picking, because he's going to be a good NFL quarterback.


28) Dallas Cowboys- James Hardy, Wide Receiver, Indiana
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2006/0420/mlb_i_hardy_195.jpg


29) San Francisco 49’ers (f/Ind)- Kentwan Balmer, Defensive End, North Carolina
http://www.celebopedia.com/melissa-stark/images/melissa-stark.jpg
-There weren't any good pics of Balmer, so here's a pic of Melissa Stark. Mmmm....Melissa Stark......


30) Green Bay Packers- Sam Baker, Offensive Tackle, Southern Cal
http://www.trojannyc.com/images/2007/08/27/sb1.jpg

31) Kansas City Chiefs (f/NY)- Chris Williams, Offensive Tackle, Vanderbilt
http://graphics.fansonly.com/schools/vand/graphics/auto/williams372475inside1.jpg
Roar!! My picture is way too big!!





2nd Round
32) Miami Dolphins- Frank Okam, Nose Tackle, Texas



33) St. Louis Rams- Pat Sims, Defensive Tackle, Auburn



34) Minnesota Vikings (f/Oak)- Early Doucett, Wide Receiver, Louisiana State



35) New York Giants (f/KC)- Tracy Porter, Cornerback, Indiana



36) New York Jets- Mario Manningham, Wide Receiver, Michigan



37) Atlanta Falcons- Carl Nicks, Offensive Tackle, Nebraska



38) Baltimore Ravens- Jack Ikegwuonu, Cornerback, Wisconsin



39) San Francisco 49’ers- Devin Thomas, Wide Receiver, Michigan State



40) New Orleans Saints- Curtis Lofton, Inside Linebacker, Oklahoma


41) Buffalo Bills- Ali Highsmith, Outside Linebacker, Louisiana State



42) Denver Broncos- Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Safety, Tennessee State



43) Dallas Cowboys (f/NE)- Chris Johnson, Runningback, East Carolina



44) Chicago Bears- Anthony Collins, Offensive Tackle, Kansas


45) Detroit Lions- Antoine Cason, Cornerback, Arizona



46) Cincinnati Bengals- Erin Henderson, Outside Linebacker, Maryland



47) Oakland Raiders (f/Min)- Lawrence Jackson, Defensive End, Southern Cal


48) San Diego Chargers (f/Atl)- Dajuan Morgan, Safety, North Carolina State


49) Philadelphia Eagles- John Carlson, Tight End, Notre Dame


50) Arizona Cardinals- Ray Rice, Runningback, Rutgers


51) Washington Redskins- Adarius Bowman, Wide Receiver, Oklahoma State


52) Tampa Bay Bucs- Tony Hills, Offensive Tackle, Texas


53) Pittsburgh Steelers- Quentin Groves, Outside Linebacker, Auburn


54) Tennessee Titans- Fred Davis, Tight End, Southern Cal

55) Seattle Seahawks- Roy Schuening, Guard, Oregon State

56) Cleveland Browns- Red Bryant, Nose Tackle, Texas A&M

57) Miami Dolphins (f/SD)- Terrell Thomas, Cornerback, Southern Cal

58) Jacksonville Jaguars- Andre Caldwell, Wide Receiver, Florida

59) Indianapolis Colts- Phillip Wheeler, Linebacker, Georgia Tech

60) Green Bay Packers- Patrick Lee, Cornerback, Auburn

61) New England Patriots (f/Dal)- Earl Bennett, Wide Receiver, Vanderbilt

62) New York Giants- Thomas Decoud, Safety, California

63) New England Patriots- Chris Ellis, Outside Linebacker, Virginia Tech

3rd Round
64. Miami Dolphins- Patrick Chung, Safety, Oregon
65. St. Louis Rams- Branden Albert, Guard, Virginia
66. Kansas City Chiefs- Brandon Flowers, Cornerback, Virginia Tech
67. New York Jets- Kendall Langford, Defensive End, Hampton
68. San Diego Chargers- Marcus Harrison, Nose Tackle, Arkansas
69. Cincinnatti Bengals (f/NE)- Demario Pressley, Defensive Tackle, North Carolina State
70. San Francisco 49ers- Chad Henne, Quarterback, Michigan
71. Buffalo Bills (from Baltimore Ravens)- Trevor Laws, Defensive Tackle, Notre Dame
72. Buffalo Bills- Jordy Nelson, Wide Receiver, Kansas State
73. Minnesota Vikings (f/Den)- John David Booty, Quarterback, Southern Cal
74. Carolina Panthers- Joe Flacco, Quarterback, Deleware
75. Chicago Bears- Jamaal Charles, Runningback, Texas
76. Detroit Lions- Jason Jones, Defensive End, Eastern Michigan
77. Cincinnati Bengals- Tom Zbikowski, Strong Safety, Notre Dame
78. New Orleans Saints- Xavier Adibi, Outside Linebacker, Virginia Tech
79. Houston Texans- Heath Benedict, Offensive Tackle, Newberry
80. Philadelphia Eagles- Tavares Gooden, Outside Linebacker, Miami
81. Arizona Cardinals- Charles Godfrey, Cornerback, Iowa
82. Minnesota Vikings- Quentin Demps, Free Safety, UTEP
83. Tampa Bay Buccaneers- Josh Johnson, Quarterback, San Diego
84. Washington Redskins- Mike McGlynn, Offensive Tackle, Pittsburgh
85. Tennessee Titans- Kevin Smith, Runningback, Central Florida
86. Seattle Seahawks- Martellus Bennett, Tight End, Texas A&M
87. Cleveland Browns- Tashard Choice, Runningback, Georgia Tech
88. Pittsburgh Steelers- D.J Hall, Wide Receiver, Alabama
89. Jacksonville Jaguars- Chevis Jackson, Cornerback, Louisiana State
90. Chicago Bears (f/SD)- Chilo Rachal, Guard, Southern Cal
91. Green Bay Packers- Steve Slaton, Runningback, West Virginia
92. Dallas Cowboys- Marcus Griffin, Safety, Texas
93. Indianapolis Colts- Donnie Avery, Wide Receiver, Houston
94. New York Giants- Ezra Butler, Linebacker, Nevada
95. New England Patriots- Chad Rinehart, Offensive Tackle, Northern Iowa

Caddy
01-26-2008, 03:40 AM
Very nice 1st round Buccaneers pick and the 3rd round pick is sure to get great reviews as well. Regarding Hills in the 2nd, I would rather see defense addressed rather than OT. So a guy like Flowers, Pressley, Lee, Godfrey, Laws, Ellis, Jones etc might be a better alternative.

bearsfan_51
01-26-2008, 03:46 AM
Very nice 1st round Buccaneers pick and the 3rd round pick is sure to get great reviews as well. Regarding Hills in the 2nd, I would rather see defense addressed rather than OT. So a guy like Flowers, Pressley, Lee, Godfrey, Laws, Ellis, Jones etc might be a better alternative.
I originally had Groves going there, but changed it because I think Hills is a good fit for their scheme and can't see them going into next year with the same tackles as this year.

Don Killuminati
01-26-2008, 03:52 AM
Haven't been impressed with Jackson as of late. I feel like he's going to end up being a 3rd round prospect. Lots of nice, and rising, prospects on the board. Red Bryant comes to mind. And Chris Johnson is still my dark horse, or in Oakland's case, pale horse pick in Rd2 if he's there.

I'm also not a fan of the trade. Lacks value on the Oakland end of things, I believe.

Caddy
01-26-2008, 04:28 AM
I originally had Groves going there, but changed it because I think Hills is a good fit for their scheme and can't see them going into next year with the same tackles as this year.

I can definitely see your point and I agree that it is very easy to make a case for an offensive tackle in the first 3 rounds of the draft. But unless a bluechip prospect is available to the Bucs, I just think giving Donald Penn another year to develop (with Petitgout as great back-up) would be better than selecting Tony Hills. With so many legitimate needs to be addressed within the first 3 rounds including QB, WR, OT, DE, DT, CB and to an extent RB it should be interesting to see how things actually pan out.

Jay
01-26-2008, 06:59 AM
I don't understand the second Patriots trade at all. I can't see them throwing away a pretty high pick after trading down to trade right back up, when they could wait it out at 13 and probably still get either McKelvin or Jenkins. It kind of defeats the purpose of trading down. That's the only real complaint I have.

T-RICH49
01-26-2008, 09:13 AM
Nicely done on KC's picks.Ellis and Williams would make me so happy

Rich Jr
01-26-2008, 09:41 AM
If I was *** i'd open mouth kiss you for that mock.

Xiomera
01-26-2008, 09:52 AM
15) Detroit Lions- Jonathan Stewart, Runningback, Oregon


I'm having suicidal thoughts after seeing this.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/golf/images/080118golfweek.jpg

UK Cards Fan
01-26-2008, 09:54 AM
Sorry, but I really don't like that Cards' mock.

Reggie Smith is not only a huge reach at 16, but he doesn't even fill a need really. The guy is a FS / CB tweener. We are set at FS with Antrel Rolle being moved and set to compete with Aaron Francisco for the start there. Both of these are capable of being above average Free Safeties and therefore we don't need Smith there. We also have two very good #2 CBs in Eric Green and Roderick Hood. We need a #1 CB but is Reggie Smith that? I don't see many people suggesting he can be a #1 CB so I really don't get this pick at all.

What makes it worse is that you then select a CB in Round 3. Why? If Reggie Smith is to be used as a CB, would you think that the Cards, with all of their needs, would then take a guy who would be at best a dime corner in Round 3, especially when we often play 3 Safeties anyway or can easily move Antrel Rolle back to CB for the few plays we are in dime for? We have way too many needs to do that.

As for the second round pick, again, I don't think Ray Rice is second round value. The RB class is very deep in talent and I can't see teams reaching for RBs around this area when there is so much depth unless they fall in love with a guy. I'm pretty sure that Rice isn't a guy the Cards would fall that in love with, and I'm pretty sure he'd be there in the third round anyway. (Only 1 other RB goes in the picks in between.)

When you look at Arizona's drafts, with the notable dishonorable exception of Levi Brown, the Cards usually take guys who fall (E.G. Alan Branch, Ben Patrick...) rather than reaching up anyway.

XxXdragonXxX
01-26-2008, 10:00 AM
Best Seahawks mock ever.

GermanSaint
01-26-2008, 10:01 AM
we have only two corners under 30 ... thats not so many , but i like your picks .

ahh . a question : what about Mayo ?

derza222
01-26-2008, 10:04 AM
Really think Carl Nicks is a little better for the Jets in the second, it's clear that we need to address OL and as much as Manningham is good value there Nicks is a far larger need. I can see the logic so I won't say it's a bad pick, but it's worth keeping in mind that our OL is atrocious and we're trying to keep a young QB on his feet in the pocket at this point. Third rounder works but didn't he lose around 20 lbs? Looking at your picks I guess it's worth trying to develop him if we don't grab a guard or Ezra Butler who would be a nice fit.

I like the trade down with Cincy it definitely makes sense, and the first three picks are all very solid. However, I'm not sure I'm sold on Zbikowski in the third. They grabbed two young safeties in the draft last year and are very high on both, each showed some nice things this past season. Just not sure if they'd take a third young safety in two years when it seems the two they took last season could be capable of starting, or at least not in the mid-rounds. Just a thought. Also, don't rule out a RB if someone drops or OL for the Bengals, as they seem to be committed to improving the run game.

Rich Jr
01-26-2008, 10:07 AM
we have only two corners under 30 ... thats not so many , but i like your picks .

ahh . a question : what about Mayo ?We'll get 1 or 2 in FA. We just need a better talent evaluator.

neko4
01-26-2008, 10:57 AM
Okay packers draft, i like Lee, and Baker at 30 is good value but i feel with all the young depth we have at OL, that we wont take one in the first. Dont really want Slaton

Babylon
01-26-2008, 10:59 AM
Nicely done on KC's picks.Ellis and Williams would make me so happy


I would have gone with Ryan Clady in round 1, Jordy Nelson in round 2 and grabbed Joe Flacco in round 3.

hugegmenfan
01-26-2008, 11:00 AM
i like giants draft and trade...we would not miss out on that great of value but we would gain a lot.

ElectricEye
01-26-2008, 11:04 AM
I don't understand the second Patriots trade at all. I can't see them throwing away a pretty high pick after trading down to trade right back up, when they could wait it out at 13 and probably still get either McKelvin or Jenkins. It kind of defeats the purpose of trading down. That's the only real complaint I have.

Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I don't like the Earl Bennett pick either.

Mr. Stiller
01-26-2008, 11:57 AM
BF51,

Not a fan of Gosder, Hall or Groves.

Gosder is a RT only and should be a round 2 or later pick... I can deal with an RT there. Hall is not a guy I think would be a good Steeler. Give me Bennett, Thomas or a WR/PR. And Groves.. while his natural fit will likely be 3-4 OLB.. I hope it's not for us. He's a 1 dimensional pass rusher.. I'd rather take Jeremy Thompson or Titus Brown later.

With that setup.. I'd insist that we go:

1) Sam Baker or Chris Williams
2) Kendall Langford
3) Oniel Cousins, OT/OG, UTEP

That gives us the talent we need on the OL.

gsorace
01-26-2008, 12:44 PM
Very good Jets picks, although I prefer Devin Thomas over Mario Manningham, but that's just me.

GB12
01-26-2008, 12:51 PM
You want to explain the Baker pick?

Also it looks like you haven't heard that Jack Ikegwuonu tore both his ACL and MCL.

bored of education
01-26-2008, 12:51 PM
I would have gone with Ryan Clady in round 1, Jordy Nelson in round 2 and grabbed Joe Flacco in round 3.

you obiviously dont know that chiefs that much. chan gaileys system utilizes one WR, the TE and the RB in the passing game. RBs have about 60-80 in the system. the TE 80-100. I could go on but you are a moron.


A+ draft. Clady is not as seasoned as Williams and will not make a direct impact in the Gaiely system. Williams has better footwaork and higher football IQ. hence making him in my eyes, a better LT prospect. Not just one that everyone likes because everyone picks him higher. He looked average against ECU(Clady that is).

Croyle is getting another year before they move on, so myabe drafting flacco/johnson in the 4th may happen but not likely. many other holes there.

A++++++++++++++++++++++++++ draft. Sure up the run defense a bit, draft a very solid cover 2 CB and a franchise left tackle.

Draft King
01-26-2008, 12:57 PM
Beautiful first round for Atlanta. 2nd round may be seen as a reach, but with no better value at the position of need I could see us going that way. Great job.

619
01-26-2008, 01:10 PM
Good Raiders draft though I think we could get better value in the second than Jackson, maybe a receiver or tackle would be it. We kinda already have a similar player in Jay Richardson who should figure to be just as effective.

bearsfan_51
01-26-2008, 01:12 PM
You want to explain the Baker pick?

Sure. I think Daryn Colledge is a bust. He's not the answer at LG, and he's not the answer at tackle either. Packers fans complain about him at guard but then say "we need to replace him there and groom him at LT". I just don't see that.

Baker is a perfect fit for the type of blocking scheme that the Packers run, and could essentially do what the Packers hoped Colledge could have done.

bearsfan_51
01-26-2008, 01:15 PM
I don't understand the second Patriots trade at all. I can't see them throwing away a pretty high pick after trading down to trade right back up, when they could wait it out at 13 and probably still get either McKelvin or Jenkins. It kind of defeats the purpose of trading down. That's the only real complaint I have.
I don't think they could have, that's why. I can see the Saints passing on Jenkins but not McKelvin. Here's my scenario if the Pats don't trade up.

10) Saints- McKelvin
11) Bills- Jenkins
12) Broncos- K. Phillips


Who does that leave for the Pats? I'd say Reggie Smith, and I think the difference between Smith and McKelvin is enough to give up the 70th pick for.


And it doesn't defeat the purpose. You'd pick the same player at 7, and you swap the 70th pick for the 43rd pick. And you pay the player slightly less. Personally I think that would be a dream scenario for the Pats.

bearsfan_51
01-26-2008, 01:17 PM
1) Sam Baker or Chris Williams

I've seen a fair amount of Steelers fans call for Baker and I don't understand why. Where would you put him? Guard? Is the value of a guard higher than a starting right tackle? I don't see it.

Williams is a thought. I may have done that if I re-did it. Ah well.

bearsfan_51
01-26-2008, 01:20 PM
Sorry, but I really don't like that Cards' mock.

Reggie Smith is not only a huge reach at 16, but he doesn't even fill a need really. The guy is a FS / CB tweener. We are set at FS with Antrel Rolle being moved and set to compete with Aaron Francisco for the start there. Both of these are capable of being above average Free Safeties and therefore we don't need Smith there. We also have two very good #2 CBs in Eric Green and Roderick Hood. We need a #1 CB but is Reggie Smith that? I don't see many people suggesting he can be a #1 CB so I really don't get this pick at all.

What makes it worse is that you then select a CB in Round 3. Why? If Reggie Smith is to be used as a CB, would you think that the Cards, with all of their needs, would then take a guy who would be at best a dime corner in Round 3, especially when we often play 3 Safeties anyway or can easily move Antrel Rolle back to CB for the few plays we are in dime for? We have way too many needs to do that.

As for the second round pick, again, I don't think Ray Rice is second round value. The RB class is very deep in talent and I can't see teams reaching for RBs around this area when there is so much depth unless they fall in love with a guy. I'm pretty sure that Rice isn't a guy the Cards would fall that in love with, and I'm pretty sure he'd be there in the third round anyway. (Only 1 other RB goes in the picks in between.)

When you look at Arizona's drafts, with the notable dishonorable exception of Levi Brown, the Cards usually take guys who fall (E.G. Alan Branch, Ben Patrick...) rather than reaching up anyway.
The Cards did that with Denny Green, and I would argue it was a total failure for them. Green liked to go for players with big names that everyone else noticed the serious flaws in.

Let's say I disagree with the value, and I'm not at all convinced that Antrell Rolle will be a legit FS. I'll admit I didn't even know they made that move, but that wouldn't change my opinion at all.

To each his own, we'll see what happens. I just think the Cards need a SERIOUS re-tooling of their secondary, and that will take two defensive back picks early on, no matter what positions.

scottyboy
01-26-2008, 01:23 PM
Giants draft is perfect basically. I love Porter and Decoud, fillng our 2 biggest holes. I like Ezra, but I'm not sure how much more of an upgrade he'd be over our current LB'ers, but an excellent mock nonetheless

draftguru151
01-26-2008, 01:23 PM
Eh, mediocre Dolphins draft. Okam at the top of the 2nd seems awfully high, especially as a NT. I'd prefer Patrick Lee over Terrell Thomas but that's just personal. Also, Chung is going back to school.

Vikes99ej
01-26-2008, 01:25 PM
Solid picks for the Vikings. Are you assuming we go after a defensive end in free agency, or do you think we'll be fine with the ones we have?

defensiveback23
01-26-2008, 01:27 PM
Not a bad Chargers mock. I like the trade down and especially like getting Morgan but OT is a larger need than NT. I think Benedict would be better than Harrison at that point.

bearsfan_51
01-26-2008, 01:28 PM
I'm having suicidal thoughts after seeing this.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/golf/images/080118golfweek.jpg
Haha....I had a feeling that would be a popular pick. To be fair the Lions would still come away with three good defensive prospects (Conner, Cason, Jones) and getting a back like Stewart would help the defense in that he would control the clock.

On a side note, I think the Lions are more likely to keep Rogers than Williams, just because I think they will be very dissapointed in what teams would be willing to give up for Rogers (which I'd put at a mid to late 3rd rounder right now).

bearsfan_51
01-26-2008, 01:32 PM
Solid picks for the Vikings. Are you assuming we go after a defensive end in free agency, or do you think we'll be fine with the ones we have?
More so that the pick just never came up. I am a huge fan of Brian Robison though. I wish the Bears would have taken him in the 2nd round instead of Dan Bazuin.

The three Vikings picks were all guys that I could see Childress liking. Otah for obvious reasons. Doucett because he's another situatonal type receiver that Childress likes to utilize. Booty because, while he doesn't have the cieling that Flacco does, I can't see the Vikings drafting another developmental type player. There just aren't enough practice snaps for both. Booty would be a reliable backup and potentially starting option if Jackson doesn't improve this season.

UK Cards Fan
01-26-2008, 01:41 PM
The Cards did that with Denny Green, and I would argue it was a total failure for them. Green liked to go for players with big names that everyone else noticed the serious flaws in.

Let's say I disagree with the value, and I'm not at all convinced that Antrell Rolle will be a legit FS. I'll admit I didn't even know they made that move, but that wouldn't change my opinion at all.

To each his own, we'll see what happens. I just think the Cards need a SERIOUS re-tooling of their secondary, and that will take two defensive back picks early on, no matter what positions.

What a lot of people forget when discussing Arizona's secondary is the injuries last year. A-W was injured and missed the second half of the season and that was a huge hit. However, even when he was healthy he spent half of his time covering up for the disaster that was Terrence Holt, who is sure to be jettisoned.

Add in that Eric Green was out for the second half of the season and consider the fact that this only showed that Antrel Rolle is not a NFL starting CB and you can see that the poor play in our secondary was definitely affected due to injuries (and the fact that our two best pass rushers, Berry and Okeafor also went on IR.)

Do we need an upgrade? Definitely. A #1 CB is a MUST. Hood and Green are good corners, but they struggle big time against a #1 guy but as #2 guys, they are above average, especially Hood who was a rare FA success.

Antrel Rolle will be given time to develop at FS, something that a #1 draft pick would not afford, and even if he fails, Aaron Francisco has proved himself to be competent, and has shown a lot of promise.

When you consider that we have a legit need at CB, and also needs at RB, TE and could probably do with help at DE, LB, a slot WR and O line (Possibly QB too although whether Whiz will give up on Hollywood yet, I don't know...), I just don't think we can afford to waste a pick at FS.

And Rod Graves, a holdover from Denny Green, has stayed with a large input into the draft and that strategy could be seen last year in the picks of Branch and Patrick.

Crazy_Chris
01-26-2008, 01:43 PM
I like the vikings draft although im not convinced we would have to trade up to get Early Doucet at this point.

GB12
01-26-2008, 01:47 PM
Sure. I think Daryn Colledge is a bust. He's not the answer at LG, and he's not the answer at tackle either. Packers fans complain about him at guard but then say "we need to replace him there and groom him at LT". I just don't see that.

Baker is a perfect fit for the type of blocking scheme that the Packers run, and could essentially do what the Packers hoped Colledge could have done.
I'll try to explain the thought behind moving Colledge to tackle. First, he was a tackle his whole football career until coming to Green Bay. That didn't happen by mistake. His skill set is what you look for in a left tackle. His pass protection is outstanding. Obviously as a left tackle that is the most important attribute you can have. His struggles have been getting a push in the run game. He's easily the worst run blocker on our line, but that can be masked at left tackle. Also he's not someone who should be going up against Pat Williams and big DTs, which being in the NFC North there are a lot of good ones on our schedule. He should be up against a smaller and faster DE. I actually think Baker's a rather similar player and don't see him as much of an upgrade at either position. I'd rather have Coston starting at guard than either Colledge or Baker, and he probably will.

JCutlery
01-26-2008, 01:50 PM
Great Denver picks.. Rodgers-Cromartie would be a big time playmaker at safety.

Babylon
01-26-2008, 02:03 PM
I could go on but you are a moron.


Excuse me?

bearsfan_51
01-26-2008, 02:11 PM
I'll try to explain the thought behind moving Colledge to tackle. First, he was a tackle his whole football career until coming to Green Bay. That didn't happen by mistake. His skill set is what you look for in a left tackle. His pass protection is outstanding. Obviously as a left tackle that is the most important attribute you can have. His struggles have been getting a push in the run game. He's easily the worst run blocker on our line, but that can be masked at left tackle. Also he's not someone who should be going up against Pat Williams and big DTs, which being in the NFC North there are a lot of good ones on our schedule. He should be up against a smaller and faster DE. I actually think Baker's a rather similar player and don't see him as much of an upgrade at either position. I'd rather have Coston starting at guard than either Colledge or Baker, and he probably will.
Yes, I'm aware that Colledge was a tackle in college. I wasn't a big fan of his then either.

Baker to me is a much more legit starting left tackle in the NFL. For the time being he could compete with Coston for the LG spot (not sure Coston has the mobility to play on the left-side in a ZBS).

It seems like Baker has really taken a hit on this site. I agree he's a little smallish for some schemes, but for the Packers he's the perfect fit.

Mr. Stiller
01-26-2008, 02:17 PM
I've seen a fair amount of Steelers fans call for Baker and I don't understand why. Where would you put him? Guard? Is the value of a guard higher than a starting right tackle? I don't see it.

Williams is a thought. I may have done that if I re-did it. Ah well.

Why can't Baker play LT? We're going to a more spread offense, his pass blocking is top notch and his run blocking can be improved.

But I don't mind either of those guys. I would like Oniel Cousins for LT/RT/LG if we don't get Williams or Baker in round 1.

Bobo
01-26-2008, 02:22 PM
Roy Williams, Fred Davis, Kevin Smith....

Awesome Titans draft. Maybe I'd take someone other than Smith, but even that could end up a really good pick.

etk
01-26-2008, 02:22 PM
Pretty good Bucs mock.

1. Jackson - A pick I can live with, but I'd prefer Calais Campbell, especially with the next pick in mind.

2. Hills - Decent pick, but OT isn't a huge need, especially not another one coming off a major injury. Andre Caldwell would be a perfect fit for what we need on offense.

3. Johnson - Perfect.

Good mock overall, but I disagree with the first 4 picks.

GB12
01-26-2008, 02:24 PM
Yes, I'm aware that Colledge was a tackle in college. I wasn't a big fan of his then either.

Baker to me is a much more legit starting left tackle in the NFL. For the time being he could compete with Coston for the LG spot (not sure Coston has the mobility to play on the left-side in a ZBS).

It seems like Baker has really taken a hit on this site. I agree he's a little smallish for some schemes, but for the Packers he's the perfect fit.
If we do pick Baker I wouldn't make the same mistake of putting him at guard. The problem then is that Clifton is playing at a high level and still has a couple years left in him.

Spitz might be the left guard and Coston right if they're the starters. We've tried both ways during the season and there wasn't much of a difference either way though.

Billingsley26
01-26-2008, 02:33 PM
Yea, not a bad Bills draft, I like the idea of Jordy Nelson, no joke.

Still dont quite Understand the Pats draft. I dont mind Mckelvin, but the rest of it just doesnt fit.

G-Men88
01-26-2008, 02:47 PM
i like giants draft and trade...we would not miss out on that great of value but we would gain a lot.

Agreed. Good job.

LonghornsLegend
01-26-2008, 03:16 PM
You shouldnt of stopped posting comments after the picks :( lol it was a pretty good read thus far, was looking forward to your comments about the cowboys...


overall thought it was a really good mock...I really like the idea of Atlanta moving up to grab Woodson late in the 1st, they have ammo to do it, he is going to be a good qb and I could see him being a franchise guy in Atlanta more so then Ryan...

As far as Dallas excellent job...gotta love cb first pick, and id be happy with Talib, there were a few guys around there at corner we may look at and I wouldnt be upset with him...James Hardy next is interesting, havent seen that in a mock yet, im not in favor of it but I would be pretty excited about if it panned out, he could end up a big time wr im just not sure if we go wr over NT, or T

with the trade with new england if we could land chris johnson in the mid 2nd id be very excited though, he's my preference at rb and a perfect compliment, really hope we land him...

Ive seen us get Marcus Griffin in a few 3rd rd mocks, and I really hope that happens, he is a playmaker at the safety we need to take roy's spot in a year or sooner, michael griffin played great this year and I think Marcus will be similiar...love that pick

ViperVisor
01-26-2008, 03:18 PM
Melissa Stark would be nice

d34ng3l021
01-26-2008, 04:02 PM
Are you ****** kiddin me? McFadden, Woodson, and Nicks?

Thats a dream come true.

Ewing
01-26-2008, 04:04 PM
Amazing. That is a dream situation. Roy Williams is far better than any of the prospects in this year's draft and would have an instant impact on the offense. Fred Davis is one of the top three tight end prospects in the draft and maybe even the best. I'm not a fan of the Kevin Smith pick since we have LenDale White but Chris Henry is doomed to be a failure as anything other than a returner so it's not that bad. I think D.J. Hall would be a better option, though.

Billingsley26
01-26-2008, 04:12 PM
Are you ****** kiddin me? McFadden, Woodson, and Nicks?

Thats a dream come true.

Yeah, that would be one of the best draft classes through the first 3 picks that anyone could ask for.

Chucky
01-26-2008, 05:27 PM
Regarding the Bucs picks, I Love Desean in the first, and I also really like the though of josh johnson in the 3rd. I personally dont like Tony Hills at all in the 2nd, he is not a big upgrade over Penn if at all. I think a CB who fits the cover 2 like Patrick lee would be the perfect pick

iloxygenil
01-26-2008, 08:02 PM
HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLL NO to the Falcons trading up for Woodson...HELL no. Not only would we not trade up, we could select him in the 4th round at this point.

However McFadden in 1 wouldn't make me upset...but I'd almost rather have Ellis right now...Nicks in 2 is perfect...

bearsfan_51
01-26-2008, 08:50 PM
HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLL NO to the Falcons trading up for Woodson...HELL no. Not only would we not trade up, we could select him in the 4th round at this point.

Oh shut up. I'm not even listening to someone that thinks Chris Redman is the answer. People are going to overblow his senior bowl performance, but he'll end up getting drafted earlier than some knee-jerk morons think.

Xiomera
01-26-2008, 09:36 PM
Haha....I had a feeling that would be a popular pick. To be fair the Lions would still come away with three good defensive prospects (Conner, Cason, Jones) and getting a back like Stewart would help the defense in that he would control the clock.

On a side note, I think the Lions are more likely to keep Rogers than Williams, just because I think they will be very dissapointed in what teams would be willing to give up for Rogers (which I'd put at a mid to late 3rd rounder right now).

I agree with the Rogers and Roy thing. I wouldn't mind trading Roy for a mid-late 1st rounder as you did here.

I actually think it's possible the Lions would take a RB in round one if they got a 1st for Roy, but it would be FAR more likely that the Lions use their later 1st to grab a RB. They didn't need to take Stewart first. They would have gone D first, RB second.

thebow305
01-26-2008, 10:29 PM
Decent phins mock. I'd rather have Lee instead of Thomas there for a CB in the 2nd round. And Chung decided to go back to school so Nelson, Gooden, or Bennett would be better picks there.

d34ng3l021
01-26-2008, 10:31 PM
Round 4? Serious? The lowest I see him going is beginning of round 2.

JagHombre22
01-26-2008, 11:35 PM
I like the Jags first pick but I don't know about Andre Caldwell in round two...granted that might be where he's projected I just don't think he's the kindof receiver the Jaguars need right now...

I could be wrong, but he's more of a possession receiver (which we already have in Reggie Williams, Dennis Northcutt, Ernest Wilford, and Matt Jones) than a speed guy...I guess we'll really know after the combine...if he posts a great .40 time then i would love the pickup...if he runs in the late 4.4's early 4.5's...I'd say pass...

TitanHope
01-27-2008, 12:38 AM
The 24th pick for Roy Williams? Throw in Shaun Rogers, and I'll take it! Though John Goodman is tempting...

Fred Davis in the 2nd is great.

I don't really like Kevin Smith in the 3rd. LenDale had a good year and was very durable, despite facing 8+ man fronts every snap. I don't see why we'd take another big back in the early rounds. Besides, Chris Henry wasn't given a chance to fully show what he's capable of. I'd much rather take a guy like Jonathan Goff or go somewhere on the DL.

DaBears0530
01-27-2008, 10:05 AM
awesome draft for the bears. I really like the Jamal Charles pick in the 3rd.

Ewing
01-27-2008, 10:46 AM
HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLL NO to the Falcons trading up for Woodson...HELL no. Not only would we not trade up, we could select him in the 4th round at this point.

However McFadden in 1 wouldn't make me upset...but I'd almost rather have Ellis right now...Nicks in 2 is perfect...

Would someone please explain to me the current trend of Falcon fans wanting Chris freaking Redman to be their franchise quarterback?

Babylon
01-27-2008, 10:59 AM
Would someone please explain to me the current trend of Falcon fans wanting Chris freaking Redman to be their franchise quarterback?

Fans or fan?