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Paranoidmoonduck
01-27-2008, 04:45 AM
No Explanation Needed. Enjoy.

Trades
Carolina sends their 2008 1st round pick , 2009 2nd round pick, and 2009 4th round pick to New England for their 2008 1st round pick.

Atlanta sends their 2008 2nd rounder (36th overall) and their 2008 4th rounder to San Diego for their 2008 1st rounder.

First Round

1) Miami Dolphins: Glenn Dorsey, Defensive Lineman, Louisiana State

Miami has seen dramatic turnover so far and it figures to see a lot more as Bill Parcells tries to remake that roster. With Parcells in mind, I tend to lean towards Dorsey being the pick. Some question his ability to fit in the 3-4 defensive scheme Miami is expected to run, but from what I’ve seen of him I think he would be very capable at playing all three defensive line spots. Injury concerns are bound to spring up, but Dorsey will test high athletically and during interviews and stands out as one of the most potentially dominant players in the draft.

2) St. Louis Rams: Jake Long, Offensive Tackle, Michigan
This may not be the biggest need pick, but it seems like the most sensible. Orlando Pace seems like he’ll be ready to go for the 2008 season and Alex Barron hasn’t looked awful in moments where he had to play that left tackle spot. However, that St. Louis offensive line played very poor football last season, and I have a hard time seeing the Rams invest more 1st round money into a defensive lineman like Chris Long or Vernon Gholston. The Rams have a potentially potent offense next season, but it won’t go anywhere without vast improvement on the offensive line, and Jake Long would be capable of filling a guard spot until he is needed outside.

3) Atlanta Falcons: Darren McFadden, Runningback, Arkansas
Although Atlanta could certainly use a franchise passer, I don’t see them passing on McFadden if he’s undrafted when they pick. A McFadden and Jerious Norwood combination would likely be excellent from the get-go, and having that sort of running threat would significantly reduce pressure for whoever they do decide to stick under center. A talent like McFadden would energize an organization that has started to come apart at the seams in recent years.

4) Oakland Raiders: Chris Long, Defensive End, Virginia
If the Falcons are coming apart at the seams, Oakland is a pile of yarn. With constant rumors floating around since the end of an unimpressive but promising 2007 campaign, questions about who’s actually controlling the wheel in Oakland have been raised. If Lane Kiffin is leading the draft, then it would seem that Sedrick Ellis would be the choice. However, in the much more likely occurrence that Al Davis is making most of the personnel decisions from here on out, I have a hard time seeing the Raiders pass on drafting another Long into the family.

5) Kansas City Chiefs: Sedrick Ellis, Defensive Tackle, Southern California
The way the first four picks fall, Kansas City is probably left with two options here. The first is to start repairing an offensive line that has been decimated in recent years by retirements through drafting Ryan Clady. The second is the way I went. Ellis has overall been a more impressive college player, was the best player at the Senior Bowl, and would help free up emerging defensive end’s Jared Allen and Tamba Hali.

6) New York Jets: Vernon Gholston, Linebacker/Defensive End, Ohio State
You have to imagine that if Gholston falls this far, the Jets would jump all over this. They made major steps towards shaping up that linebacker unit in drafting David Harris last season, but the only other promising player is Jonathan Vilma, who’s a poor fit for Mangini’s defense. Gholston improved his stock immensely this past college football season, and if he manages to time as well as some think he could, he might even go higher than this.

7) Carolina Panthers (from San Francisco via New England): Ryan Clady, Offensive Tackle, Boise State
Carolina takes advantage of New England’s willingness to take future picks and moves up for a player they are in desperate need of. The Panthers have struggled with consistency recently, but bringing some order to that offense could make them a playoff team again and adding a potentially great left tackle in Clady is a huge step towards that.

8 ) Baltimore Ravens: Matt Ryan, Quarterback, Boston College
The Ravens could use all sorts of help in all sorts of places, but with the best linemen off the board, I have a hard time seeing either Kyle Boller or Troy Smith endearing themselves to the new coaching staff enough to get the Ravens to pass on Ryan. I have my questions about Matt Ryan, and it’s a shame that I didn’t get to see any of them answered at the Senior Bowl, but he appears to have the inside track on being the top quarterback selected, and would probably fit well on that Baltimore offense.

9) Cincinnati Bengals: DeSean Jackson, Wide Receiver, California
My first inclination is to try and find some defensive line talent for the Bengals, who need it even if Justin Smith doesn’t leave for greener pastures. However, I simply don’t see enough value around for that to be an option. I have to consider linebacker because you have to imagine that the Bengals want to return some order to unit that seems constantly in flux. But, finally, in anticipation that troublesome wideout Chad Johnson gets sent elsewhere, I go with the guy most likely to be the top wideout come April. In a draft weak on top talent in general, a strong showing at the combine by Jackson could mean a top 10 pick.

10) New Orleans Saints: Leodis McKelvin, Cornerback, Troy
New Orleans offense showed some flashes last season, but defense was an undeniable dud. The Saints would probably take help on that side of the ball in any form, but the corner wins out over the linebacker (Rivers), the safety (Phillips), and the defensive lineman (Balmer). McKelvin has raised his stock as much as any player in the country this year, and looked very good at the Senior Bowl. He’s a natural coverman who, when combined with a potentially worrisome pass rush courtesy of Will Smith and Charles Grant, could do wonders for that defense.

11) Buffalo Bills: Keith Rivers, Linebacker, Southern California
The Bills have several needs here, but I think they go for the most obvious fit. Rivers is an excellent Cover 2 linebacker prospect, potentially on par with Ernie Sims in that regard, and I don’t think that Malcolm Kelly (the next best wideout and a popular choice for Buffalo) will have his stock high enough to get serious consideration.

12) Denver Broncos: Kenny Phillips, Safety, Miami
Denver could potentially reach for an inside linebacker here so as to move DJ Williams back outside, but it’d be quite a reach. They could also look for a left tackle to replace the recently retired Matt Lepsis, but the first round seems a bit high for that. In the end the Broncos try and shape up a defensive secondary which took a major step back last season.

13) New England Patriots (from Carolina): Mike Jenkins, Cornerback, South Florida
The Patriots would probably be ecstatic to trade out of the top 10 (and the contract that implies), and in this situation I don’t think they even lose much value wise. If they had stayed at seven I think they would have gone for the best corner in McKelvin, but Jenkins is also a strong coverman with return skills who would either strengthen that defensive backfield by lining up opposite Asante Samuel or perhaps replace Samuel as the teams #1 corner.

14) Chicago Bears: Rashard Mendenhall, Runningback, Illinois
The Bears are an interesting situation to me because I think they are probably a more consistent offense away from being a contender again. Two obvious remedies are drafting a quarterback or an offensive tackle here, but the two top values in those positions (Brian Brohm and Jeff Otah) are probably not due to make a huge first year impact. Top five selection from 2005 Cedric Benson has been a disappointment at runningback and the explosive and tough running of Mendenhall could take pressure off a passing attack which has been feeling a lot of it the past couple seasons.

15) Detroit Lions: Kentwan Balmer, Defensive Tackle, North Carolina
A quick glance at last year’s stat board for the Lions would tell you that offensive line help is needed and fast. Jeff Otah seems like a logical choice to replace the disappointing George Foster, but with the trade of Shaun Rogers appearing highly likely, the Lions draft another big body for their defensive line.

16) Arizona Cardinals: Jonathan Stewart, Runningback, Oregon
The one time well regarded backfield duo of Edgerrin James and JJ Arrington has been pretty close to a dud in Arizona, and it would be hard for Ken Whisenhunt to pass on a power runner like Stewart.

17) Minnesota Vikings: Jeff Otah, Offensive Tackle, Pittsburgh
If this draft had fallen differently, I think Minnesota could target a wideout or defensive end here, but I think the Vikings continue to dedicate that offense to Adrian Peterson by drafting more offensive line talent. Although the Minnesota offensive line played well in 2007, right tackle Ryan Cook was the weakest link, and Otah could offer improvement at the spot immediately.

18 ) Houston Texans: Chris Williams, Offensive Tackle, Vanderbilt
With the players available here, you have to imagine Houston would try and trade down here, but I have no idea who would want to move up. This might be a bit of a reach for Williams, but he played a good Senior Bowl, and fills what has been a chronically major need for Houston. Williams has the feet and hands to be a very nice player in Kubiak’s offense.

19) Philadelphia Eagles: Malcolm Kelly, Wide Receiver, Oklahoma
Philadelphia seems set on keeping Donovan McNabb as their quarterback, and, in that case, needs to get him some more targets. The duo of Kevin Curtis and Reggie Brown is a decent one, but the team lacks a #1 wideout. Kelly has good size and speed and would offer something Philly hasn’t had since Owens left town.

20) Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Brian Brohm, Quarterback, Louisville
Jon Gruden got his playoff season and his contract extension, and now he goes for his quarterback. Not known for running a scheme that is easy on young passers, Gruden makes an exception for the intellectual Brohm.

21) Washington Redskins: Derrick Harvey, Defensive End, Florida
Derrick Harvey’s stock is a hard thing to get a handle on. I see some people regard him as a top ten pick while others consider him a solid second round pick. For symmetry’s sake, I have him where I think he deserves to be, right about in the middle. Andre Carter was a pleasant surprise in 2007, but there’s little doubt that Washington could use some more help on the line.

22) Dallas Cowboys (from Cleveland): Felix Jones, Runningback, Arkansas
People continuously talk about the Cowboys trading up to snatch Darren McFadden, but I think it would probably be a far more prudent move to sit back and take that other Arkansas runningback. Felix Jones is likely a better counterweight to Marion Barber, comes at a cheaper price, and doesn’t cost the Cowboys additional draft picks.

23) Pittsburgh Steelers: Gosder Cherilus, Offensive Tackle, Boston College
Gosder Cherilus had a rough season at left tackle for Boston College which dropped him down a lot of boards, but after a very solid week at the Senior Bowl he is regarded as one of the more solid offensive line prospects in the draft. Although playing on the left side at the pro level seems unlikely, he is undoubtedly the top right tackle in the draft and would be a very nice fit for the Pittsburgh offensive line.

24) Tennessee Titans: James Hardy, Wide Receiver, Indiana
Whatever kind of offense replaces the one Norm Chow had in place, there’s little doubt that the Titans need to get more targets for the struggling Vince Young. The wideout rankings are very fluid right now, but Hardy has the size and hands to match up very well with a quarterback like Young who likes to throw it up.

25) Seattle Seahawks: John Carlson, Tight End, Notre Dame
Although Seattle could use some interior line and running back help, I don’t think that either represents great value here. Marcus Pollard didn’t exactly stand out in 2007, and Carlson is a very well balanced tight end.

26) Jacksonville Jaguars: Calais Campbell, Defensive End, Miami
Whether the defensive tackle duo of John Henderson and Marcus Stroud makes it through the offseason is up for debate, but either way the Jags could use some defensive end talent. Cambell’s stock dropped a lot in 2007, but he could end up being a steal at this point in the draft.

27) Atlanta Falcons (from San Diego): Andre Woodson, Quarterback, Kentucky
Is Atlanta this year’s Cleveland? I think there’s a distinct possibility that one of the top three quarterbacks falls, and Atlanta has the luxury of two second round picks thanks to the Matt Schaub deal. Woodson didn’t have a great Senior Bowl, but the potential is there.

28 ) Dallas Cowboys: Aqib Talib, Cornerback, Kansas
The Cowboys would have to consider this a steal at this point. In a fairly weak draft that has a good number of attractive cornerbacks, Talib could be long gone by now.

29) San Francisco 49ers (from Indianapolis): Dre Moore, Defensive Line, Maryland
Right now this may be a bit of a reach, but Moore had a good week at the Senior Bowl and figures to be a fairly impressive player at the combine. He would go a long way towards realizing a real 3-4 defense in San Francisco.

30) Green Bay Packers: Fred Davis, Tight End, Southern California
It’s been a habit for me to plug a defensive back in this spot, so I’m going to switch it up. Davis could deliver a surprising workout at the combine and his skills as a receiver could make a fairly potent offense that much more dangerous.

31) New York Giants: Dan Connor, Linebacker, Penn State
A lot of people really like Connor, and while I’m not the biggest fan, I think he’s a tremendous value here. That Giants defense has been performing as of late and Connor would upgrade an already fairly solid linebacking corps.

32) New England Patriots (forfeited due to league violations)

Second Round

33) Miami Dolphins: Quentin Groves, Linebacker/Defensive End, Auburn
Parcells gets his weakside rush ‘backer. If Groves workouts like some rumored numbers have suggested he is capable of, he could go considerably higher than this.
34) St. Louis Rams: Phillip Merling, Defensive End, Clemson
The Rams get a big and athletic defensive end, one who could go higher if he tests out well.
35) Kansas City Chiefs: Sam Baker, Offensive Tackle, Southern California
Baker has fallen quite a bit due to size concerns, but he should be a solid tackle at the pro level.
36) San Diego Chargers (from Atlanta): Carl Nicks, Offensive Tackle, Nebraska
The Chargers trade back and then select a good looking right tackle to help shore up the line.
37) New York Jets: Ahtbya Rubin, Nose Tackle, Iowa State
Almost certainly a reach, but Rubin is the only real classic nose tackle in the draft, and I can’t imagine that New York is happy with Dewayne Robertson.
38 ) Oakland Raiders: Dominique Rogers-Cromartie, Cornerback, Tennessee State
Continuing of idea that Al Davis turns in a classic Raider draft. Washington and Routt haven’t performed, and Cromartie is a natural corner who figures to time well.
39) Baltimore Ravens: Ali Highsmith, Linebacker, Louisiana State
This hinges on the Ravens making a defensive switch to a 4-3, but Highsmith is a very explosive player who could excel at weakside linebacker in the pros.
40) San Francisco 49ers: Devin Thomas, Wide Receiver, Michigan State
I can’t imagine that the Niner’s current wide receiver pleases Mike Martz, so he’s going to push for an upgrade here. Thomas could conceivably go higher than this, but he’s an athletic pass catcher who would help San Francisco’s new offensive coordinator spread the field.
41) New Orleans Saints: Phillip Wheeler, Linebacker, Georgia Tech
The Saints would likely be quite pleased with having the option of Wheeler with this pick. He could make a very good inside linebacker.
42) Buffalo Bills: Limas Sweed, Wide Receiver, Texas
The Limas Sweed hype is something I never totally got, but he would make an excellent counter balance for Lee Evans.
43) Denver Broncos: Curtis Lofton, Linebacker, Oklahoma
As mentioned earlier, the Broncos are probably dying to move DJ Williams back to his outside spot. Lofton is a physical player who has the talent to make you ignore his lack of height.
44) Carolina Panthers: Reggie Smith, Defensive Back, Oklahoma
Need for a player who can play safety could drive Reggie Smith’s value up, but I think this is his general position right now. Carolina gets some versatility in their defensive secondary.
45) Chicago Bears: Chad Henne, Quarterback, Michigan
I’m not sure if the Bears would draft another big armed college stud that makes questionable decisions to replace their current one, but the value works out and I have to imagine that Chicago will be looking for a new future quarterback.
46) Detroit Lions: Ray Rice, Runningback, Rutgers
I figure I’ll catch some flack on this, but I think it makes sense. Kevin Jones has been a bit of a disappointment since he tore it up the second half of his rookie season, but he has shown flashes and would team up nicely with Rice. Rice could probably handle whatever load the Lions needed to give him.
47) Cincinnati Bengals: Pat Sims, Defensive Tackle, Auburn
Cincinatti went for a skill position in the first round, so I have them jumping on a defensive lineman here. Sims could potentially slip higher, but he’ll have to really impress during workouts.
48 ) Minnesota Vikings: Chris Ellis, Defensive End, Virginia Tech
The Vikings have invested a lot in the defensive end position recently, but they could still use a quality edge rusher.
49) Atlanta Falcons (from Houston): Tony Hills Jr, Offensive Tackle, Texas
Hills may not get much consideration this high, but the Falcons need some shining light at left tackle.
50) Philadelphia Eagles: Lawrence Jackson, Defensive End, Southern California
Jim Johnson gets another strong pass rusher to throw at opposing passers.
51) Arizona Cardinals: Patrick Lee, Cornerback, Auburn
The Cardinals could certainly use a quality cover corner, especially if Rolle is going to stick at safety.
52) Washington Redskins: Tracy Porter, Cornerback, Indiana
The duo of Shawn Springs and Carlos Rogers hasn’t yielded amazing results, and Porter might be too enticing at this point to let go.
53) Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Trevor Laws, Defensive Tackle, Notre Dame
Laws probably played his way into the second round during the Senior Bowl, and unless he lays an egg at the combine you figure he could get some Cover 2 team to take him this high. I’ll admit I’m not entirely sure how much Tampa Bay like Jovan Haye.
54) Pittsburgh Steelers: Jerod Mayo, Linebacker, Tennessee
Pittsburgh could go a multitude of ways, but they could use another strong inside linebacker to help anchor that defense.
55) Tennessee Titans: Martellus Bennett, Tight End, Texas A&M
Maybe this is going a bit far, but Bennett could be a very enticing value at this point, and the Titan’s receiving options could still use an upgrade after drafting Hardy in the first.
56) Seattle Seahawks: Kevin Smith, Runningback, Central Florida
I’ve heard all sorts of disparaging things about the 40-yard time Smith is expected to run, but overall there’s a lot to like about this kid’s running ability. At the very least, he’d pair well with Maurice Morris in the event that Shaun Alexander does not return to Seattle next season.
57) Cleveland Browns: Frank Okam, Defensive Lineman, Texas
Okam has a lot of supporters due to his ability, but he just never put it together at the college level. That said, he could be a tremendous talent in the 3-4, and maybe Romeo Crennell thinks this is a project worth taking on.
58 ) Miami Dolphins (from San Diego): John David Booty, Quarterback, Southern California
I have no idea how the new Miami management feels about Trent Green or, more importantly, John Beck. If they decide they need a new potential franchise passer, I think they have to look in that direction sooner rather than later. Booty seems like a solid choice, but the potential of such passers as Joe Flacco or even Colt Brennan might be tempting.
59) Jacksonville Jaguars: Marcus Harrison, Defensive Tackle, Arkansas
Maybe the Jags picking two straight defensive linemen is going a bit far, but if Stroud is on his way out, then perhaps Del Rio would be inclined to bring in another very talented defensive tackle. Harrison has concerns off the field, but could become a great palyer.
60) Indianapolis Colts: Red Bryant, Defensive Tackle, Texas A&M
Where the Colts go here I’m not entirely sure, but I think that continuing the amazing progress of that defense should be at the top of their list. Bryant has some inconsistency issues, but he’s a very good run plugger.
61) Green Bay Packers: Charles Godfrey, Defensive Back, Iowa
It didn’t take long to have Green Bay going for a defensive back. The Harris/Woodson starting corner tandem is a good one, but it severely lacks depth and the safety position could also use some security. Godfrey could likely play backup roles at both positions until he was needed as a starter.
62) Dallas Cowboys: DeMario Pressley, Defensive Tackle, North Carolina State
Where does Dallas go here? I’m not entirely clear, but with a 3-4 team, when it doubt take the best defensive lineman who’s a fit. Pressley is another promising defensive line product from NC State.
63) New York Giants: Thomas DeCoud, Safety, California
The Giants face possibly losing Gibril Wilson in the offseason, and could simply use some more bodies on that defense. DeCoud is a standout special teams player who showed marked improvement in the past season.
64) New England Patriots: Jonathan Goff, Linebacker, Vanderbilt
The Pats have been impressive in finding linebacker talent in the free agent market, but getting some youth into that unit should be a major priority. Plenty of options here, but Goff is a nice fit who might be ranked higher if he went to a higher profile school.

thebow305
01-27-2008, 08:52 AM
terrible phins mock, i like Groves but we don't need another young QB at this point, we already have Beck, and Dorsey has no place in the 3-4.

If we had to take a QB though, I'd rather it be Flacco.

T-RICH49
01-27-2008, 09:05 AM
would rather takr Nicks or Rodgers-Cromartie in the 2nd over Baker

neko4
01-27-2008, 09:16 AM
why does everyone think Green Bay needs a TE?
Bubba is still a solid blocker and red zone target and Donald Lee played great. Godfrey is a good pick

derza222
01-27-2008, 09:36 AM
Tremendous Jets mock, you pretty much hit the nail on the head in the analysis of both picks.

As for the Bengals, obviously defense is a huge need but based on what the team has been saying I think first of all Ocho probably won't get traded and second if they do happen to go offense in the first (which would be slightly disappointing) they would go Jonathan Stewart over Jackson. For the past few years they have been committed to improving a run game that has been very poor. They've had to deal with injuries on the OL (Otah could be the pick, but I still lean Stewart) and at RB but many of their backs are injury prone and I think they may want to get a stud back out of this draft which Stewart can certainly be. I think Chris Perry is going to have to go due to his injury issues (and even so he can't be relied on to play in even the majority of games during a season), leaving Kenny Irons, Kenny Watson, DeDe Dorsey, and Rudi Johnson. I don't think the Bengals want to rely on Perry, Irons, or Johnson to stay healthy, and I also don't think they want Watson or Dorsey to be starting. Stewart appears to be a great fit as Johnson is running out of steam right now and they don't have a big back to compliment their smaller, quicker backs. Add in the fact that he wouldn't be all that big of a reach at 9 and that's a pick that may seem unlikely but I see happening. I like the creativity, but just think Stewart is a better direction if you go skill position on offense. Rivers would obviously be a nice pick as well.

Hines
01-27-2008, 09:46 AM
I love this draft. If Mayo somehow is there for the Steelers, I would love for them to pick him.

NIN1984
01-27-2008, 10:07 AM
That would most definitely be an Al Davis draft.

DiG
01-27-2008, 11:04 AM
i like porter in rd 2 but harvey is a terrible fit for the skins. hes a good prospect but not a good fit opposite of carter.

Bills2083
01-27-2008, 11:20 AM
Perfect Day 1 for Buffalo.
I would be ecstatic if this happened.

ThePudge
01-27-2008, 11:46 AM
Ahhh a ballsy Bengals pick at #9 for once. I've thought about Jackson plenty, a speed receiver to stretch the field and an explosive return man (which the Bengals have lacked for a long, long time.) If Ellis, Dorsey, and Gholston are gone, that pick really wouldn't shock me.

Jay
01-27-2008, 12:34 PM
I like Mike Jenkins a whole lot more at 13 then I do at 7. I like Goff in the second as well. Good job.

GB12
01-27-2008, 12:35 PM
If you want to switch it up from a CB Dan Connor would be much much better than a TE.

bearsfan_51
01-27-2008, 12:40 PM
Henne reminds me of Grossman, as you eluded too. That's not to say we wouldn't draft him, I'm just not sure what the point would be.

Vikes99ej
01-27-2008, 12:45 PM
I don't know if I want Otah or Chris Williams at that spot right now. I love the second round pick, though. I want Chris Ellis in a Vikings uniform.

Yung Flippa
01-27-2008, 12:53 PM
Okay Texans pick, Okay 1st for the Ravens, Reggie Smith, Patrick Lee or Tracy Porter, maybe even Limas Sweed. We don't really need any linebacker. We're still build PreScott Burgess from last year.

G-Men88
01-27-2008, 01:00 PM
An ok Giants mock, but in this situation we'd take Reggie Smith or Rodgers-Cromartie in the 1st and Erin Henderson in the 2nd.

Babylon
01-27-2008, 01:34 PM
Probably not many would agree but i like the Seattle picks of Carlson and Smith.

doingthisinsteadofwork
01-27-2008, 02:17 PM
Thatd be awesome if both Long and Ellis were there on the board when we pick.Interesting 2nd pick.I just hope we get a good NT somehow.

LonghornsLegend
01-27-2008, 02:37 PM
Marvin Lewis would so get fired if he took Jackson at 9 and had another terrible year on defense lol...


As far as Dallas goes your explanation on pick 22 hit it right on the head, thats my logic, im sure thats Jerry's logic, and I wish anyone who thinks we will trade the house for McFadden needs to understand that logic...Felix has just as much of a chance to end up a better pro then McFadden does, and we would still get a corner the likes of Talib in the 1st, we have too many other needs to be giving away picks for a rb who will at best split carries

Paranoidmoonduck
01-27-2008, 03:05 PM
terrible phins mock, i like Groves but we don't need another young QB at this point, we already have Beck, and Dorsey has no place in the 3-4.

If we had to take a QB though, I'd rather it be Flacco.

Well, like I said, I have no idea how much the new staff will take to Beck. I had considered Flacco, but I just went by expected value.

As for the Dorsey business, I don't understand it. I'm not even sure why people are saying he couldn't play nose tackle in the 3-4. He's played with more bulk than Ellis, was an excellent run plugger over his career, and it isn't like he's drastically tall or anything. My only concern would be if his knees could take extra weight, but they might take better to that than an undertackle role.

why does everyone think Green Bay needs a TE?
Bubba is still a solid blocker and red zone target and Donald Lee played great. Godfrey is a good pick
I've had Packers fans ask me why I wasn't considering giving them one before,so I switched it up. It wouldn't surprise me if McCarthy wants to go for a Gates-esque receiving tight end to spread the field outside of the redzone.

As for the Jackson pick, I think it makes more sense for the Bengals than it did for Miami to draft Ginn (not saying much, I know). He's a brilliant return man right off the bat and he provides a field stretcher for Carson Palmer if Chad Johnson should leave. I'm just not entirely sure that I see linebacker or any linemen the way this mock unfolded.

DChess
01-27-2008, 03:13 PM
id rather have harrison, or pressley for the browns

really liked your top 9.

Paranoidmoonduck
01-27-2008, 03:19 PM
Henne reminds me of Grossman, as you eluded too. That's not to say we wouldn't draft him, I'm just not sure what the point would be.

Well, my thought process was that if Chicago drafts someone it's going to have to be a strong armed passer, so that pretty much gives you Henne or Flacco as options. Henne certainly seems to have the inside track after his Senior Bowl, so he got the nod. That said, I don't think Henne is a top 5 quarterback and I think this rise is misguided. We always knew he was a pro-style quarterback who looked good in practice.

defensiveback23
01-27-2008, 05:12 PM
Very good trade for the Chargers, might be the best projected one I've seen. Nicks wouldn't be a bad pick for the Chargers but I think Rodgers-Cromartie or Reggie Smith would be better.

hugegmenfan
01-27-2008, 06:57 PM
2 Outside linebackers in the 1st 2 rounds for the Giants??! thats insane! Give us Reggie Smith 1st round

Paranoidmoonduck
01-27-2008, 07:09 PM
2 Outside linebackers in the 1st 2 rounds for the Giants??! thats insane! Give us Reggie Smith 1st round

31) New York Giants: Dan Connor, Linebacker, Penn State
63) New York Giants: Thomas DeCoud, Safety, California

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Rich Jr
01-27-2008, 07:27 PM
Saints don't pass on Rivers.

619
01-27-2008, 07:33 PM
As much as I love DRC taking yet another corner so early for the Raiders would be a waste imo. We would be giving up on two talented young corners in Washington and Routt who I still feel are more than capable of starting at a high level. Chris Long in the first would be awesome though.

Caddy
01-27-2008, 07:41 PM
I think your Buccaneers draft is solid. Calais Campbell is tempting in the first and Laws in the second is a good idea.

OSUGiants17
01-27-2008, 07:53 PM
An ok Giants mock, but in this situation we'd take Reggie Smith or Rodgers-Cromartie in the 1st and Erin Henderson in the 2nd.

Couldn't have said it better my self

Don Killuminati
01-27-2008, 08:07 PM
38 ) Oakland Raiders: Dominique Rogers-Cromartie, Cornerback, Tennessee State
Continuing of idea that Al Davis turns in a classic Raider draft. Washington and Routt havenít performed, and Cromartie is a natural corner who figures to time well.
A week ago, this would have even seemed possible. Now?

*sigh*

Bluedevil$
01-27-2008, 08:38 PM
I don't know much about Rubin, but I don't like the idea of reaching almost a round to get a player, especially when there are other needs on the table.

Bluedevil$
01-27-2008, 08:40 PM
I have to give it to you though... excellent mock all-around. There are several things I disagree with, but nice job backing up your picks with logical explanations.

Paranoidmoonduck
01-27-2008, 08:45 PM
A week ago, this would have even seemed possible. Now?

*sigh*

There's definitely a distinct chance he goes way before Oakland's second pick. I'm not buying talk as the best cornerback in the draft yet (at least stock-wise), but the way the corner's fell in this draft, only McKelvin, Jenkins and Talib went before Rogers-Cromartie, which isn't stretching it a whole lot I think.

Jensen
01-27-2008, 08:51 PM
I like the Cardinals draft. I like Tracy Porter better than Lee though, but he would still be a good pick there.

ChiFan24
01-27-2008, 10:33 PM
I disagree with some things, but I repect this mock more than most others becasue it's original, and doesn't follow the basic BPA/need formula. My main beefs are with Dorsey to Miami, who doesn't seem to fit the 3-4, and the Atlanta trade for Woodson. I like the concept of giving Cincinnati an offensive player, but I'd have gone with Jonathan Stewart.

The Bears first pick is good - Cherilus, Williams, Otah are thoughts there as well - though I don't like Henne in the second. Everything points to Grossman and Orton being back in 2008, and unfortunately, Griese as well. If they DO go QB, I highly doubt they chase a Rex clone - it'll probably be Flacco.

bearsfan_51
01-27-2008, 11:10 PM
I disagree with some things, but I repect this mock more than most others becasue it's original, and doesn't follow the basic BPA/need formula. My main beefs are with Dorsey to Miami, who doesn't seem to fit the 3-4, and the Atlanta trade for Woodson. I like the concept of giving Cincinnati an offensive player, but I'd have gone with Jonathan Stewart.

The Bears first pick is good - Cherilus, Williams, Otah are thoughts there as well - though I don't like Henne in the second. Everything points to Grossman and Orton being back in 2008, and unfortunately, Griese as well. If they DO go QB, I highly doubt they chase a Rex clone - it'll probably be Flacco.
If we resign Grossman we'll cut Griese. I would bet my first-born child on it. The only way we keep Griese around is if Grossman goes elsewhere.

ChiFan24
01-27-2008, 11:21 PM
If we resign Grossman we'll cut Griese. I would bet my first-born child on it. The only way we keep Griese around is if Grossman goes elsewhere.

I can only hope. Angelo's said that he's happy with his three QB, but I would love to replace Griese with a mid-rounder.

falconsrule
01-27-2008, 11:36 PM
At this point Atlanta wouldnt have to trade back into the 1st round to get Woodson I would rather hold on to both our 2nd rounders and draft Chad Henne.

johbur
01-27-2008, 11:57 PM
Very nice AZ choices. That'd be a great start to 2008.

I am not a Fred Davis fan right now. Maybe in GB he'd be OK, as he could swing back to an H-Back and work as a FB in the Falcon alignment or he could go out as a TE, but I'd rather have Cottam at the same speed and a whole lot bigger, or Tamme at the same weight, taller and a lot faster. I like Godfrey, so overall the two rounds even out.

WMD
01-28-2008, 02:01 AM
I would really, really hate that draft.. I'd probably commit a murder/suicide on Matt Millen and Myself.

Paranoidmoonduck
01-28-2008, 02:10 AM
I would really, really hate that draft.. I'd probably commit a murder/suicide on Matt Millen and Myself.

Out of curiosity, which pick was the more offensive?

Dam8610
01-28-2008, 03:37 AM
I like going with DT for the Colts, but a run plugger is NOT the need there. Ed Johnson and Quinn Pitcock will take care of that. The Colts need someone who can shoot gaps and penetrate into the backfield often.

Thunder&Lightning
01-28-2008, 08:41 AM
can see a trade not a bad pick but if cromartie is available in 2nd round they should snag him i hope chargers get somethin out of the trade though

Mr. Myogi
01-28-2008, 08:53 AM
DMC......Woodson.......Hills and we will more than likely get a comp pick in round 3 for Kerney.
I WISH!!!!!!!!
That would be a nice quick fix for fans all around ATLANTA.
Best MOCK I've seen in a while for the Birds!

tfry
01-28-2008, 10:38 AM
not a bad Rams 1/2, however, I would much rather have Chris Long and Sam Baker that Phillip Merling and Jake Long. This draft is deep with OTs. If they are drafting Long simply to groom and replace Pace, then why not wait a round or two a draft a project? Pace has a huge salary, Barron is getting paid 1st round money, and Long would cost a fortune. I'd rather see it spent on the defensive side of the ball where we could get an immediate return on our money. Chris Long/Dorsey/Golston before Jake IMO. No bad though!

asmitty45
01-28-2008, 12:50 PM
not a good lions draft.

1. no way we are taking balmer here, he's a late 1st at best right now, and the last thing we need is a DT, if anything we need a DE so if your compelled to go DL, go harvey at DE.

2. Rice is not a good pick. in the 3rd maybe, CB/MLB here

jdb1972
01-28-2008, 01:48 PM
I don't see the Carolina trade. There's not that big of a difference between, say, Clady and Otah to make it worthwhile. If nothing else, this draft is OT-rich. Maybe if Long fell that far.

I also don't see the Reggie Smith pick. As a free safety, he's not the hitter Fox likes at safety (he'll tell you the Panther D system doesn't make a SS/FS distinction); as a corner, he'd be a dime back (Lucas, Gamble, and Marshall ahead of him).

Paranoidmoonduck
01-28-2008, 05:55 PM
not a good lions draft.

1. no way we are taking balmer here, he's a late 1st at best right now, and the last thing we need is a DT, if anything we need a DE so if your compelled to go DL, go harvey at DE.

2. Rice is not a good pick. in the 3rd maybe, CB/MLB here

Would you feel the same way about your defensive line situation if Shaun Rogers leaves the team?

I don't see the Carolina trade. There's not that big of a difference between, say, Clady and Otah to make it worthwhile. If nothing else, this draft is OT-rich. Maybe if Long fell that far.

I'd say there's a huge difference between Clady and Otah. One is almost certainly a left tackle, one might not be. Seeing as Carolina could use more help on the left side, it would seem prudent to pick up the guy who they know can play the position.

iloxygenil
01-28-2008, 06:49 PM
Pathetic...Falcons trade up and get the worst QB ever! SWEET! Wait...lets back that up...Give the Falcons Nicks with their original pick in the 2nd round...then with the 2nd 2nd round pick Frank Okam. That'd be a much better draft for the Falcons.

TacticaLion
01-28-2008, 10:13 PM
Would you feel the same way about your defensive line situation if Shaun Rogers leaves the team?

If Rogers is traded, what did the Lions receive in return?

The Lions can't move past the first 2 rounds and leave MLB and CB untouched. Drop the Rice pick and draft CB or MLB.

PossumBoy9
01-29-2008, 02:42 PM
I think Chris Long is the obvious pick for STL at #2 overall, but in this scenario Merling was a good pick for the Rams at the top of the 2nd.

I'm not big on taking Jake Long at #2 overall.

rickscott
01-29-2008, 04:06 PM
I see no way that the Bengals take anything on the offensive side of the ball unless it happened to be an OT. There is no way they take a WR in RD 1 with as weak as this defense is. I would imagine that Zimmer when hired was likely assured as much.

Paranoidmoonduck
01-29-2008, 11:44 PM
If Rogers is traded, what did the Lions receive in return?

I can't see a first day pick due to all of Rogers' concerns, so probably something in the third round area.

Bar-bq
01-30-2008, 04:08 AM
I think Chris Long is the obvious pick for STL at #2 overall, but in this scenario Merling was a good pick for the Rams at the top of the 2nd.

I'm not big on taking Jake Long at #2 overall.

I concur.

Here's why I believe, especially in your scenario, that taking Long doesn't make sense.

One: Money.

There's a strong chance you're selecting a player who may not see the field for one, maybe two seasons. Wouldn't it make sense to spend as little money as you can on that player, especially considering the overall depth in the OL class? There are concerns as to whether Long projects to be a true LT, like Pace is currently, or another RT, like Barron. Really, all you're doing with this pick is buying peace of mind. Knowing that, it would be much better, fiscally speaking, to add a player who can fulfill the same role, and if he happens to sit for two seasons before starting, then it doesn't matter. The same player's had two years at a lot less money to learn the same system, whilst providing insurance for another injury to Pace. Considering the talent dropoff, or lack thereof, in this OT class, you're essentially paying much less money for the same duties.


Two: Chris Long

We had no pass rush this season, despite improvements inside, due to James Hall's mediocrity, and Leonard Little's apparent losing the plot and subsequent injury. Long is the best way to ensure that teams can no longer hang 30 or 40 on us, because when you get sufficient pressure, you force turnovers, and you give the ball back to an offense that has the potential to be good when healthy.

Paranoidmoonduck
01-30-2008, 04:24 AM
Why wouldn't Jake Long see the field for two seasons? The Rams could use him inside his first year, and position him after that however was necessary (that mainly being determined by whether Barron's contract is extended or not). It was what Oakland planned to do with Robert Gallery, and it probably would have worked had he not let himself go and had Oakland not been inept in general.

I agree that St. Louis needs to fix their defense, but they really need to make sure that their offense falls into place around their skill players. Long is a better and more versatile offensive lineman then is likely to be available in the second round, while the defensive end crop is deep and talented.

EdReedUnstoppable
01-30-2008, 08:52 AM
Horrible 1st rd pick for the Ravens, but Ali Highsmith is a beast and I would love for him to be a Raven!

21ST
01-30-2008, 08:55 AM
Give the redskins Hardy in the first, the 2nd pick is pretty good

ABWA757
01-30-2008, 10:26 AM
very nice bills picks