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etk
02-02-2008, 03:32 PM
Notes:

Writing explanations is very tiresome so I chose just to post the picks. That means I am open to explaining any of the picks on individual request, I will answer any questions regarding the mock, and I am open to discussing any of the picks upon reply. i.e. "Why did team X draft X player?" or "we don't need X player because of X circumstance". Responses like "We don't draft X position in X round" or "this mock sucks" are not cool, but that hasn't been a problem so far this year from my observations. If you are confused as to the order of the picks past the 1st round, it's because I didn't include NE as pick 32. It doesn't make sense to have an empty pick because then the 50th player taken in the draft is really the 49th, etc.

1st Round
1. Miami Dolphins - Vernon Gholston, DE/OLB, Ohio State
2. St. Louis Rams - Chris Long, DE, Virginia
3. Atlanta Falcons - Jake Long, OT, Michigan
4. Oakland Raiders - Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC
5. Kansas City Chiefs - Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
6. New York Jets - Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas
7. New England Patriots (via SF) - Kenny Phillips, S, Miami
8. Baltimore Ravens - Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State
9. Cincinnati Bengals - Calais Campbell, DE, Miami
10. New Orleans Saints - Keith Rivers, LB, USC
11. Buffalo Bills - Dan Connor, LB, Penn State
12. Denver Broncos - Reggie Smith, DB, Oklahoma
13. Carolina Panthers - Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh
14. Chicago Bears - Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College
15. Detroit Lions - Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida
16. Arizona Cardinals - Jonathan Stewart, RB, Oregon
17. Minnesota Vikings - DeSean Jackson, WR, California
18. Houston Texans - Rashard Mendenhall, RB, Illinois
19. Philadelphia Eagles - Malcolm Kelly, WR, Oklahoma
20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson
21. Washington Redskins - Mike Jenkins, CB, USF
22. Dallas Cowboys - Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy
23. Pittsburgh Steelers - Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt
24. Tennessee Titans - Limas Sweed, WR, Texas
25. Seattle Seahawks - Fred Davis, TE, USC
26. Jacksonville Jaguars - Quentin Groves, DE, Auburn
27. San Diego Chargers - Phillip Wheeler, ILB, Georgia Tech
28. Dallas Cowboys (via CLE) - Felix Jones, RB, Arkansas
29. San Francisco 49ers (via IND) - Kentwan Balmer, DE, UNC
30. Green Bay Packers - Charles Godfrey, CB, Iowa
31. New York Giants - Patrick Lee, CB, Auburn

2nd Round

32. Miami Dolphins - Sam Baker, OL, USC
33. St. Louis Rams - Gosder Cherilus, OT, Boston College
34. Oakland Raiders - Chris Ellis, DE, Virginia Tech
35. Kansas City - Anthony Collins, OT, Kansas
36. New York Jets - Dre Moore, DL, Maryland
37. Atlanta Falcons - Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville
38. Baltimore Ravens - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tennessee State
39. San Francisco 49ers - Lavelle Hawkins, WR, California
40. New Orleans Saints - Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas
41. Buffalo Bills - Jermichael Finley, TE, Texas
42. Denver Broncos - Trevor Laws, DT, Notre Dame
43. Carolina Panthers - Chad Henne, QB, Michigan
44. Chicago Bears - Pat Sims, DT, Auburn
45. Detroit Lions - Brandon Flowers, CB, Virginia Tech
46. Cincinnati Bengals - Shawn Crable, OLB, Michigan
47. Minnesota Vikings - DaJuan Morgan, S, NC State
48. Atlanta Falcons - Marcus Harrison, DT, Arkansas
49. Philadelphia Eagles - Thomas DeCoud, S, California
50. Arizona Cardinals - Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona
51. Washington Redskins - Lawrence Jackson, DE, USC
52. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Andre Caldwell, WR, Florida
53. Pittsburgh Steelers - Kendall Langford, DE, Hampton
54. Tennessee Titans - Branden Albert, OG, Virginia
55. Seattle Seahawks - Jamaal Charles, RB, Texas
56. Cleveland Browns - James Hardy, WR, Indiana
57. Miami Dolphins (via SD) - Mario Manningham, WR, Michigan
58. Jacksonville Jaguars - Roy Schuening, OG, Oregon State
59. Indianapolis Colts - Erin Henderson, LB, Maryland
60. Green Bay Packers - Tavares Gooden, LB, Miami
61. Dallas Cowboys - Athyba Rubin, DT, Iowa State
62. New York Giants, Jerod Mayo, LB, Tennessee
63. New England Patriots - Jonathan Goff, LB, Vanderbilt

3rd Round

64. Miami Dolphins - Justin King, CB, Penn State
65. St. Louis Rams - Andre Woodson, QB, Kentucky
66. Kansas City Chiefs - Chevis Jackson, CB, LSU
67. New York Jets - Darrell Robertson, OLB, Georgia Tech
68. Atlanta Falcons - Josh Barrett, S, Arizona State
69. New England Patriots (via OAK) - Chris Johnson, RB, ECU
70. San Francisco 49ers - Tracy Porter, CB, Indiana
71. Buffalo Bills (via BAL) - Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan State
72. Buffalo Bills - Jeremy Thompson, DE, Wake Forest
73. Minnesota Vikings (via DEN) - John Carlson, TE, Notre Dame
74. Carolina Panthers - Jamie Silva, S, Boston College
75. Chicago Bears - Early Doucet, WR, LSU
76. Detroit Lions - Curtis Lofton, MLB, Oklahoma
77. Cincinnati Bengals - DeMario Pressley, DT, NC State
78. New Orleans Saints - Tashard Choice, RB, Georgia Tech
79. Houston Texans - Donnie Avery, WR, Houston
80. Philadelphia Eagles - Ali Highsmith, OLB, LSU
81. Arizona Cardinals Cliff Avril, OLB, Purdue
82. Minnesota Vikings - Carl Nicks, OT, Nebraska
83. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Josh Johnson, QB, San Diego
84. Washington Redskins - Adarius Bowman, WR, Oklahoma State
85. Tennessee Titans - Wallace Gilberry, DE, Alabama
86. Seattle Seahawks - Tony Hills, OT, Texas
87. Cleveland Browns - Red Bryant, DL, Texas A&M
88. Pittsburgh Steelers- Chilo Rachal, OG, USC
89. Jacksonville Jaguars - Eddie Royal, WR, Virginia Tech
90. Chicago Bears (via SD) - Heath Benedict, OL, Newberry
91. Green Bay Packers - Martellus Bennett, TE, Texas A&M
92. Dallas Cowboys - Earl Bennett, WR, Vanderbilt
93. Indianapolis Colts - Oniel Cousins, OL, UTEP
94. New York Giants - Quintin Demps, S, UTEP
95. New England Patriots - Tommy Blake, OLB, TCU

Special News Report:

Kansas State WR JordyZ NelsonZ has torn all ligaments in both knees training for the NFL combine. NelsonZ reportedly blew out both news practicing a 40 yard dash, but managed to complete the sprint in 3.5 seconds. Multiply that number by 2, and you get the round that scouts are projecting he will be drafted in. NelsonZ will still try to break the record for bench press reps when he attends the combine for interviews and other non-athletic testing.

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/49/490221.jpg

Bills2083
02-02-2008, 03:43 PM
1.) Dan Connor - Good Pick
2.) Jermichael Finley - WR is a larger need. I'd rather go with James Hardy
3.) Devin Thomas - Since I have us taking a WR in round 2, I'd rather go with Carlson
3.) Jeremy Thompson - We have too many needs to be drafting a #3/4 DE in the first 3 rounds. We have $74 million tied up in Schobel and Kelsay. I'd rather go CB or DT here, because they are larger needs. Jack Ikegwuono and Red Bryant would be better picks.

essential
02-02-2008, 03:51 PM
Decent Bills draft. I wouldn't mind Connor in the first, but I'd rather trade down. At each pick there are players that could help us more.

If we can't trade down, I guess Connor is okay in the first, but I feel there is much more value with Highsmith in the second than Connor or Rivers in the first.

Also, Jermichael Finley is alright, but Pat Sims or Antoine Cason would be a much better value for us in the second at that point.

regoob2
02-02-2008, 04:17 PM
Great Bears mock but i'd prefer Carl Nicks in the 3rd even though doucet is probably better value.

Yung Flippa
02-02-2008, 04:18 PM
Questionable 1st Ravens pick. Good 1st for the Texans. Okay 2nd for the Ravens, its close between Talib and DRC. Solid 3rd for the Texans.

RaiderNation
02-02-2008, 04:43 PM
raiders pass on DMAC and Dorsey.... wow

DaBears0530
02-02-2008, 05:18 PM
although i would love it. i dont see matt Ryan falling out of the top 5 . I would love to see the bears draft Flacco in the second.

BmoreBlackByrdz
02-02-2008, 05:40 PM
LOVE the ravens picks. Clady would be a great addition to our line and Cromatie wouuld learn and improve alot by playing with guys like Reed and Lewis. Good raven draft

princefielder28
02-02-2008, 05:43 PM
Packers draft isn't bad, but I would prefer someone else in round one; DRC or Patrick Lee

Chucky
02-02-2008, 05:46 PM
Pretty solid bucs mock, would prefer Manningham over caldwell, Johnson could possibly happen their but im not sure. Gotta laugh at the Calais Campell at 9 though. What has he done to raise his stock?

G-Men88
02-02-2008, 05:54 PM
Patrick Lee is not a first rounder, give the Giants Rodgers-Cromartie there.

Vikes99ej
02-02-2008, 06:03 PM
I like the first round and third rounds picks, but I'm skeptical of the second round pick, most likely because I don't know much about him.

KCJ58
02-02-2008, 06:10 PM
i like the 1st and 2nd picks, 3rd i don't think we draft Woodson also i don't think he'll still be there, in the 3rd round we would look for secondary help or Linebacker or WR, Donnie Avery, Early Doucet, Tracy Porter, or Ali Highsmith would be good but overall grade: A

Caddy
02-02-2008, 06:13 PM
Doesn't really excite me all that much. Any CB help coming in the 4th round?

OhioState
02-02-2008, 06:13 PM
amazing draft for the phins

indyfan1985
02-02-2008, 06:27 PM
I absolutely HATE the Colts picks. If Roy Shuening were to last that far, Im sure the Colts would not mind trading up a few spots so they can be sure to grab him.

Xiomera
02-02-2008, 07:00 PM
I would much rather have Cason than Flowers in Rd. 2 for Detroit. He is a better system fit for us.

Harvey and Lofton are nice picks.

Any mock with a MLB, DE, and CB for the Lions is probably a very good one.

icantackleclaret
02-02-2008, 07:05 PM
I love the Browns picks! Hardy and Bryant are very good value also.

doingthisinsteadofwork
02-02-2008, 07:16 PM
raiders pass on DMAC and Dorsey.... wow
theres nothing wrong with that.
great Oakland draft.

Turtlepower
02-02-2008, 07:48 PM
I'd prefer DRC over Lee, but overall good Giants mock.

Sniper
02-02-2008, 08:12 PM
19. Philadelphia Eagles - Malcolm Kelly, WR, Oklahoma
49. Philadelphia Eagles - Thomas DeCoud, S, California
80. Philadelphia Eagles - Ali Highsmith, OLB, LSU





I'm cool with Kelly in the first, but I think some more realistic options would be Mike Jenkins, Leodis McKelvin, Chris Williams, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie or Sam Baker.

Not a DeCoud fan at all. If we were to go WR in the first, Lawrence Jackson would be enticing here, as would Martellus Bennett.

I'm good with Highsmith, though LB isn't exactly a need with Stewart Bradley waiting in the wings.

Diehard
02-02-2008, 08:17 PM
Reggie Smith = bigtime reach at 12

Sniper
02-02-2008, 08:22 PM
Special News Report:

Kansas State WR JordyZ NelsonZ has torn all ligaments in both knees training for the NFL combine. NelsonZ reportedly blew out both news practicing a 40 yard dash, but managed to complete the sprint in 3.5 seconds. Multiply that number by 2, and you get the round that scouts are projecting he will be drafted in. NelsonZ will still try to break the record for bench press reps when he attends the combine for interviews and other non-athletic testing.

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/49/490221.jpg

He should still go #1......

KCJ58
02-02-2008, 08:29 PM
I absolutely HATE the Colts picks. If Roy Shuening were to last that far, Im sure the Colts would not mind trading up a few spots so they can be sure to grab him.

you got 2 change your sig tomorrow ethier have it say 2007 World Champs or change it all together

skiinginNJ
02-02-2008, 08:33 PM
love the giants draft

thebow305
02-02-2008, 09:16 PM
Awesome phins draft..... Almost PERFECT.

Just to nitpick a little, I'd rather have DRC instead of Sam Baker there, then take Carl Nicks instead of Justin King in the 3rd, and also Rubin instead of Manningham in the 2nd. That would be PERFECT!

Any mock that has us getting Gholston makes me happy though..

Matthew Jones
02-02-2008, 09:46 PM
Like Goff and Johnson, but not a huge fan of Phillips. The Patriots have James Sanders and Brandon Meriweather to play the safety spots for the coming years, and Sanders has been pretty good. Meriweather was a first round pick, so I think he gets a shot first. I'd prefer a linebacker in the first. Tommy Blake (and this is kind of a big prediction) won't get drafted before the sixth round because he's a head case with a weight problem.

etk
02-02-2008, 10:26 PM
WOW I go offline for a few hours and this many replies...I'll start from the top.


1.) Dan Connor - Good Pick
2.) Jermichael Finley - WR is a larger need. I'd rather go with James Hardy
3.) Devin Thomas - Since I have us taking a WR in round 2, I'd rather go with Carlson
3.) Jeremy Thompson - We have too many needs to be drafting a #3/4 DE in the first 3 rounds. We have $74 million tied up in Schobel and Kelsay. I'd rather go CB or DT here, because they are larger needs. Jack Ikegwuono and Red Bryant would be better picks.

I see your dilemma with WR/TE. Your situation works out great but I gave Finley to the Bills because he reminds me of a much more athletic Kevin Everett. He's a versatile weapon while Carlson doesn't stand out in one particular area. Apples and oranges.

Interesting point on the money issue, but the Bills lack young depth at DE with Hargrove getting suspended. I think all your remaining DEs are above 30. Thompson can play either side in the front 4. DT & CB might be more pressing needs ATM but at least you have youth (McCargo, Williams, Greer, McGee, Youboty) at those positions. Those positions are FA needs.

Decent Bills draft. I wouldn't mind Connor in the first, but I'd rather trade down. At each pick there are players that could help us more.

If we can't trade down, I guess Connor is okay in the first, but I feel there is much more value with Highsmith in the second than Connor or Rivers in the first.

Also, Jermichael Finley is alright, but Pat Sims or Antoine Cason would be a much better value for us in the second at that point.

Of course you'd rather trade down, too bad that's not an option here. I'd love to have NE trade down as well as others. I agree with your next 2 statements regarding value, but I just don't think DT & CB are positions that require more 2nd/3rd round draft picks. All you would be doing is giving minor upgrades at best to a position with youth already infused. Sims is an interesting consideration despite that.


Great Bears mock but i'd prefer Carl Nicks in the 3rd even though doucet is probably better value.

I see what you're saying. The Bears gave me serious trouble because I had them getting Cherilus in the 2nd until I realized he had already been taken by the Rams. That really pissed me off and I had to alter some picks. I already had Doucet as the 3rd so I left him there and flipped positional picks between their 2nd and 4th picks in the draft, giving them Sims in the 2nd and Newberry in the 3rd. Nicks/E. Bennett or Doucet/Newberry is apples and oranges once again. I'd probably lean toward the first like you did.

Rich Jr
02-02-2008, 10:33 PM
Round 1 good, Round 2 is ok, not entirely sold on him. Round 3, not so good. We have PT who showed he's more than capable. Probably give us Red Bryant, Eddie Royal or Earl Bennett in the 3rd.

etk
02-02-2008, 10:35 PM
raiders pass on DMAC and Dorsey.... wow

Two of the most overrated prospects on the draft based on hype. Ellis is the real deal.

Packers draft isn't bad, but I would prefer someone else in round one; DRC or Patrick Lee

I really like the idea of Godfrey in a Packers uni, but Lee would be solid as well. You really could go either way. I haven't seen the same physical nature and press ability in DRC, but he's a hell of an athlete.

Pretty solid bucs mock, would prefer Manningham over caldwell, Johnson could possibly happen their but im not sure. Gotta laugh at the Calais Campell at 9 though. What has he done to raise his stock?

Manningham would be a solid pick, he's pretty similar to Galloway, but Caldwell is much more versatile of a receiver and he's physical enough to have success in a WCO. Galloway really struggled with jams and inside passes which rendered him useless late in the season. Manningham is even smaller and weaker. I also take into consideration what I think will happen, and Caldwell has the edge being a Tampa native and star in HS, playing for UF, etc. He's a much more athletic Ike Hilliard and that's the kind of WR we need.

Johnson is as sure of a thing for the WCO as you can get, especially after seeing Brennan struggle since January.

I've always had Campbell in the top 10 and that's where I think he ends up come draft day. Monsters like him are pretty rare and I think scouts will look past his shaky Junior season and focus on his potential as another JPep/Super Mario. Unless Dorsey/Ellis falls I think Campbell will be a Bengal.

etk
02-02-2008, 10:44 PM
Patrick Lee is not a first rounder, give the Giants Rodgers-Cromartie there.

DRC is more talented than Lee, but Lee fits right in the mold of what the Giants look for in CBs. If he had any return skills I'd compare him to Aaron Ross.

Lee could easily be a 1st rounder with a good combine after impressing at the Senior Bowl. DRC will always have the competition thing hanging over his head and he's very frail.

I like the first round and third rounds picks, but I'm skeptical of the second round pick, most likely because I don't know much about him.

I also know very little on Morgan, but he has gotten some individual praise from Mayock and others and he seems like a versatile safety with few weaknesses. It's hard to judge a safety when they play Miami because we have absolutely no passing game, and that's the only time I saw NC State play. It's just a need-value fit and I thought it worked out well, but I'm also skeptical until I see more of Morgan against better competition.

i like the 1st and 2nd picks, 3rd i don't think we draft Woodson also i don't think he'll still be there, in the 3rd round we would look for secondary help or Linebacker or WR, Donnie Avery, Early Doucet, Tracy Porter, or Ali Highsmith would be good but overall grade: A

I think if Woodson's there you have to take him. The only excuse for the Rams not taking a QB is Bulger's contract, but that's not an issue with a 3rd rounder. I think early 3rd is a worst-case scenario for Woodson but he's really dropped since the Senior Bowl. If Woodson wasn't available I would've given the Rams an SLB with a WR in the 4th. thanks.

etk
02-02-2008, 10:49 PM
Doesn't really excite me all that much. Any CB help coming in the 4th round?

Trae Williams or Simeon Castille. I love Simeon Castille for our defense.

I think the mock loses it's lustre because the 1st is a worst-case scenario...all the top guys are gone. Merling was the best value over Pat Sims, Brandon Flowers or Trevor Laws. The 2nd and 3rd picks won't be great picks until those 2 guys step on the field. They're perfect fits for our offense.

I absolutely HATE the Colts picks. If Roy Shuening were to last that far, Im sure the Colts would not mind trading up a few spots so they can be sure to grab him.

I don't see what's so bad. The Colts need an SLB, and Henderson would be a great fit, also providing depth at MLB. Cousins is very versatile and I was impressed with his raw strength at the Senior Bowl. As Mayock says, "he's great in a phone booth at G". I could see the Schuening move happening but not in my anti-trade mock. Those are the only 2 picks right?
I would much rather have Cason than Flowers in Rd. 2 for Detroit. He is a better system fit for us.

Harvey and Lofton are nice picks.

Any mock with a MLB, DE, and CB for the Lions is probably a very good one.

Ahh...this mock is definitely an A+ for you then. Flowers is my top Cover 2 CB in the draft. He's the next Ronde Barber except Ronde Barber is smaller, slower, and doesn't hit as hard. The Lions mock was probably one of my favorites.

etk
02-02-2008, 10:56 PM
I love the Browns picks! Hardy and Bryant are very good value also.

Can you say matchup problems with Hardy on board! LOL. The Browns are one of my favorite teams to watch when the Bucs aren't on.

I'm cool with Kelly in the first, but I think some more realistic options would be Mike Jenkins, Leodis McKelvin, Chris Williams, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie or Sam Baker.

Not a DeCoud fan at all. If we were to go WR in the first, Lawrence Jackson would be enticing here, as would Martellus Bennett.

I'm good with Highsmith, though LB isn't exactly a need with Stewart Bradley waiting in the wings.

I hated the Eagles mock TBH. I wish there were more safeties available so I could just give them Reggie Smith v2/3. I don't see nickelback as a first round need but Williams is an idea.

I can't see that Eagles going WR-TE in the first 2 rounds, and I also don't see DE as a need. Didn't you just draft Victor Abiamiri?

Bradley and Gocong are both SLBs. Highsmith is the athlete you need to replace Spikes.

All 3 picks are decent IMO but I wish the scenarios worked out better.

Reggie Smith = bigtime reach at 12

1/2 the 1st round is gonna be a reach. The draft is very weak at the top, deal with it. I guess you could go with Ryan Clady, Kenny Phillips or Glenn Dorsey. Oh wait, those guys aren't available. Otah would be an equal reach and S is more of a need. Smith might be a reach but it has to be done.

etk
02-02-2008, 11:07 PM
Awesome phins draft..... Almost PERFECT.

Just to nitpick a little, I'd rather have DRC instead of Sam Baker there, then take Carl Nicks instead of Justin King in the 3rd, and also Rubin instead of Manningham in the 2nd. That would be PERFECT!

Any mock that has us getting Gholston makes me happy though..

I didn't put enough thought into the Dolphins 2nd pick. I had Baker there last time around and I went with it. Thanks for pointing out DRC because I would've preferred that pick.

Not sure if I see Rubin instead of Manningham. I know you need a NT but you also need a WR and Manningham is good value, albeit he is a 1-trick pony like Ginn.

I don't what it takes to beat sense into people about Gholston. I should make a thread about it, but I've had enough rants already. Dorsey and Long don't fit the 3-4 at the next level and Ryan is too risky for the 1st pick. The only possibilities I see are Gholston (Taylor's replacement and Parcells' next LT project). or Jake Long. I'd bet incredible amounts of money that Gholston will be the pick, especially since you got the Ginn pick right last year.

Like Goff and Johnson, but not a huge fan of Phillips. The Patriots have James Sanders and Brandon Meriweather to play the safety spots for the coming years, and Sanders has been pretty good. Meriweather was a first round pick, so I think he gets a shot first. I'd prefer a linebacker in the first. Tommy Blake (and this is kind of a big prediction) won't get drafted before the sixth round because he's a head case with a weight problem.

Phillips is a crappy pick, but I had nowhere else to go. I think the Pats will trade up or down rather than draft another DB. Meriweather will replace Samuel at CB and Phillips can play either S spot. I think the pick hinges on whether or not BB is ready to part with the Harrison type at SS and bring in a more conventional coverage/run support SS.

Tommy Blake is just a hunch of mine. If he gets his weight under control he will be a stud, and the Patriots are the perfect team where he can succeed and they can afford to wait for him to return to form. Not a great pick but I like spicing up my mocks. In reality they would take him in the 4th or 5th if at all.

Round 1 good, Round 2 is ok, not entirely sold on him. Round 3, not so good. We have PT who showed he's more than capable. Probably give us Red Bryant, Eddie Royal or Earl Bennett in the 3rd.

I don't like Talib either, but the pick makes sense from a projection perspective. Choice, on the other hand, is a stud and the Saints need a back they can rely on. Not sure if PT is that guy. I don't think Bryant fits the 4-3 well and I'm waiting until FA to see the Saints' WR situation.

Caddy
02-02-2008, 11:39 PM
Trae Williams or Simeon Castille. I love Simeon Castille for our defense.

I think the mock loses it's lustre because the 1st is a worst-case scenario...all the top guys are gone. Merling was the best value over Pat Sims, Brandon Flowers or Trevor Laws. The 2nd and 3rd picks won't be great picks until those 2 guys step on the field. They're perfect fits for our offense.



I can definitely understand that. I just hope a solid cover corner is available in the 2nd or 3rd round this year with Kelly having the option of utilizing a buy out clause. At least P-Buc could hold down the fort while a Williams/Castille held down the fort though.

LonghornsLegend
02-03-2008, 02:24 AM
Special News Report:

NelsonZ reportedly blew out both news practicing a 40 yard dash, but managed to complete the sprint in 3.5 seconds. Multiply that number by 2, and you get the round that scouts are projecting he will be drafted in. NelsonZ will still try to break the record for bench press reps when he attends the combine for interviews and other non-athletic testing.

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/49/490221.jpg


LMAO im sick of all this jordy jokes but this was hilarious...



As far as the Dallas draft thats an excellent job, I would be very excited about that draft if our first 3 picks went that way, no complains at all, and they are the positions id choose also..


But I dont think DRC falls as low as you have him, no way he falls outta the 1st

Forenci
02-03-2008, 07:10 AM
I love our second and third round pick for the Giants.

I think Mayo will be a great special teams player who can play a few other linebacker spots for the Giants, since he'll have to wait behind Pierce for his shot.

Demps is a good pick, I think he and Michael Johnson would be competing for the starting strong safety spot this upcoming year. Ultimately, I think Johnson would win it, but I feel like Demps gives us some great depth.

The only thing I'm not a fan of is Lee in the 1st Round. I agree to a certain extent, he fits our scheme, but I think the Giants are looking for a guy like DRC who can really be that speedster and ball hawk we lack in the secondary. None of our secondary, outside of Ross really has good ball skills. We need a guy with some speed, who can also create turnovers. DRC fits that mold.

Otherwise, I like the mock in general, very nicely done.

WMD
02-03-2008, 07:27 AM
That is just a beautiful Lions mock. I would make out with Matt Millen if that actually happened.

Sniper
02-03-2008, 08:32 AM
I hated the Eagles mock TBH. I wish there were more safeties available so I could just give them Reggie Smith v2/3. I don't see nickelback as a first round need but Williams is an idea.

I can't see that Eagles going WR-TE in the first 2 rounds, and I also don't see DE as a need. Didn't you just draft Victor Abiamiri?

Bradley and Gocong are both SLBs. Highsmith is the athlete you need to replace Spikes.

All 3 picks are decent IMO but I wish the scenarios worked out better.



We did just draft Abiamiri, but I fully expect Kearse and Howard gone, as they were both extremely underproductive and you know how much the Eagles love linemen.

I forgot about Spikes. We could also pick a MLB if you're going LB because Gaither can play anywhere across the board.

I like your detailed explanations and rebuttals though, good job. I'm just very thankful you didn't give us DeSean Jackson in the first or Early Doucet anywhere in the first two rounds.

Thunder&Lightning
02-03-2008, 08:53 AM
alright chargers pick. bit of a reach at this point IMO but it is only FEB.

DiG
02-03-2008, 09:25 AM
first two rounds for the skins are good but then you went and gave us bowman....

etk
02-03-2008, 10:05 AM
LMAO im sick of all this jordy jokes but this was hilarious...



As far as the Dallas draft thats an excellent job, I would be very excited about that draft if our first 3 picks went that way, no complains at all, and they are the positions id choose also..


But I dont think DRC falls as low as you have him, no way he falls outta the 1st

You're probably right on DRC. A lot of teams need CBs but I chose to give better system fits over plain talent. I might change that a bit next time around.

I love our second and third round pick for the Giants.

I think Mayo will be a great special teams player who can play a few other linebacker spots for the Giants, since he'll have to wait behind Pierce for his shot.

Demps is a good pick, I think he and Michael Johnson would be competing for the starting strong safety spot this upcoming year. Ultimately, I think Johnson would win it, but I feel like Demps gives us some great depth.

The only thing I'm not a fan of is Lee in the 1st Round. I agree to a certain extent, he fits our scheme, but I think the Giants are looking for a guy like DRC who can really be that speedster and ball hawk we lack in the secondary. None of our secondary, outside of Ross really has good ball skills. We need a guy with some speed, who can also create turnovers. DRC fits that mold.

Otherwise, I like the mock in general, very nicely done.

Glad to see you understood the picks well. Sometimes it's hard to see the goal of the mock without explanations and analysis but you did fine. Again, Patrick Lee/DRC, it was a toss-up for me (rhymes), maybe next time I'll change my mind, we'll see.

first two rounds for the skins are good but then you went and gave us bowman....

lol. Some Skins fans wanted Bowman in the 1st earlier in the year. I think that's a great pick because he's exactly the right complement to Moss/Randle El. A big target that's good ATC instead of 2 smaller targets that are great ATC. Bowman is too impressive of an athlete not to go in the first 3 rounds. I guess the same could be said about JordyZ.

scottyboy
02-03-2008, 12:40 PM
love the first 2 picks for us but the 3rd is a personal preference that I don't like. I'm too frightened to have another safety named Demps...

I prefer DRC, but like Lee alot too. Mayo would be a sweet pick. could contribute right away, or be Pierce's eventual replacement

etk
02-03-2008, 12:45 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FT3MM5DoL_Q&feature=related

C'mon....Will Demps is cute enough to be in a music video...he must be decent at football.

scottyboy
02-03-2008, 12:47 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FT3MM5DoL_Q&feature=related

C'mon....Will Demps is cute enough to be in a music video...he must be decent at football.

what ever you do, don't go to willdemps.com. i think that's what it is. he has his own modeling site. it makes me ashamed to say he was once a Giant.

etk
02-03-2008, 12:48 PM
God, I don't even wanna know. That's nasty. I saw some video links on youtube with picture collections, dare I ever click on one by mistake.

cardsalltheway
02-03-2008, 04:10 PM
I really don't like the Henderson pick considering that John Carlson is still on the board and I don't see LB as a major need for the Colts in the first place.

And I really hope Jamaal Charles doesn't come that close without us getting him :(

d34ng3l021
02-03-2008, 04:18 PM
I thought about not coming here after I saw the no Jordyzzz. But I figured what the hell.

1. Jake Long. Good pick. I have Ellis over him on my big board, but I am not going to complain. We need OL help.

2. Brian Brohm. <3

3. Harrison. Good pick.

4. Josh Barrett. I dont like a pick of a safety right now. Though our FO might look at it differently, I am willing to give Jimmy Williams another year. And we have some good SS depth with Daren Stone and Chris Crocker. Rather get a bigger back here.

Dawg4L21
02-03-2008, 04:55 PM
Very good Browns mock, James Hardy gives us another WR which we desperately need, he is also a 1st round talent so to land him at 56 is a steal. Red Bryant also gives us a big body up front on Defense which is by far our biggest need.

iloxygenil
02-03-2008, 06:50 PM
I really like the Falcons mock...but even with Long in the first...Nicks would be a great selection for the Falcons with our 2nd 2nd round pick. I know we need a DT as well though, so it's a good pick. One thing that I'd like to see is maybe a Matt Forte with our 3rd round pick...but I really like Josh Barrett

Jensen
02-03-2008, 07:29 PM
Great Cardinals mock. McKelvin or Jenkins would be great picks at 16 too.

etk
02-03-2008, 10:27 PM
I really don't like the Henderson pick considering that John Carlson is still on the board and I don't see LB as a major need for the Colts in the first place.

And I really hope Jamaal Charles doesn't come that close without us getting him :(

I think the Colts are fine at TE and RB. They're not fine with Rob Morris and it's time they take their LBs more seriously. Henderson can back up all 3 positions and start when Morris is done. Carlson or Charles would hardly see the field for years. The Colts can draft a guy like Jacob Tamme later on at TE and there's plenty of great backs.

I thought about not coming here after I saw the no Jordyzzz. But I figured what the hell.

1. Jake Long. Good pick. I have Ellis over him on my big board, but I am not going to complain. We need OL help.

2. Brian Brohm. <3

3. Harrison. Good pick.

4. Josh Barrett. I dont like a pick of a safety right now. Though our FO might look at it differently, I am willing to give Jimmy Williams another year. And we have some good SS depth with Daren Stone and Chris Crocker. Rather get a bigger back here.

Josh Barrett is a big in-the-box safety in the mold of Milloy/Harrison. Jimmy Williams would go unaffected. See my next post, where I explain how Forte/Green Ellis/Washington are all still available in the coming rounds.

I really like the Falcons mock...but even with Long in the first...Nicks would be a great selection for the Falcons with our 2nd 2nd round pick. I know we need a DT as well though, so it's a good pick. One thing that I'd like to see is maybe a Matt Forte with our 3rd round pick...but I really like Josh Barrett

I know how badly the Falcons need OTs, but you need a big DT much more (than 2 OTs). Nicks and Long are both "run blockers' anyway and the Falcons need pass protection more than anything. Matt Forte and others are all available in the 4th. Done deal, super draft for rebuilding.

I don't mind the nitpicking from the Falcons fans. You guys are great at that, thanks.

d34ng3l021
02-03-2008, 10:51 PM
We just want you to reach perfection etk, thats it.

BeerBaron
02-04-2008, 12:10 AM
thats a really really awful bears draft....not gonna lie.

defensiveback23
02-04-2008, 12:50 AM
I doubt the Chargers draft an ILB because both Stephen Cooper and Matt Wilhelm played well. Behind them the depth is good with Dobbins, Siler and Waters. We need a NB since Florence is leaving and there is still uncertainty at safety. I think Rodgers-Cromartie would be ideal due to his versatility. Also, at RT Clary leaves something to be desired so I think Cherilus would be a great pick.

Miami Kush
02-04-2008, 05:50 PM
I like the Dolphins draft except for the #1 overall pick. Why would they take Vernon Gholston who is maybe the 3rd best defensive player in the draft. Why wouldn't they take Long or Dorsey? I would love Manningham with the second @nd round pick.

etk
02-04-2008, 06:05 PM
thats a really really awful bears draft....not gonna lie.

Thanks for the tremendous insight, clearly you don't read instructions.

I guess getting the top rated QB at 14 and a WR with a chance at the 1st in the 3rd round doesn't cut it for a poster as intelligent and thoughtful as you. Do the Bears even have a NT? Sims was a beast at Auburn and it's a perfect need=value fit. Benedict is a mauler who can play G or T. Whatever.

I doubt the Chargers draft an ILB because both Stephen Cooper and Matt Wilhelm played well. Behind them the depth is good with Dobbins, Siler and Waters. We need a NB since Florence is leaving and there is still uncertainty at safety. I think Rodgers-Cromartie would be ideal due to his versatility. Also, at RT Clary leaves something to be desired so I think Cherilus would be a great pick.

My bad here. I didn't check the depth chart and I forgot about Waters. Willhelm doesn't impress me but I agree that the Chargers would be unlikely to draft an ILB with that competition. I'll probably change the pick to one of the CBs that can play S next time, but not Rodgers-Cromartie. He's just too skinny and I'm still not sold on him as a hitter/tackler.

I like the Dolphins draft except for the #1 overall pick. Why would they take Vernon Gholston who is maybe the 3rd best defensive player in the draft. Why wouldn't they take Long or Dorsey? I would love Manningham with the second @nd round pick.

A) I think Vernon Gholston is the best defensive player in the draft.

B) Long and Dorsey don't fit the 3-4. Matt Roth is one of the smallest 3-4 ends in the league and Long is even smaller than he is. I don't see that as an upgrade worth the #1 pick. Dorsey doesn't fit the 3-4 whatsoever. He doesn't have the leverage to play NT or the length/pass rush skills to be an end. He's all 4-3. Why would a team spend a #1 overall pick on a 3-4 lineman anyway....rush linebackers are much more valuable and Parcells knows this better than anyone.

defensiveback23
02-05-2008, 12:41 AM
My bad here. I didn't check the depth chart and I forgot about Waters. Willhelm doesn't impress me but I agree that the Chargers would be unlikely to draft an ILB with that competition. I'll probably change the pick to one of the CBs that can play S next time, but not Rodgers-Cromartie. He's just too skinny and I'm still not sold on him as a hitter/tackler.


A lot of people don't like Wilhelm too much, but I think he played very well for a first time starter. He put up solid stats considering he missed some games. Either way though I think Waters will eventually supplant him.

I think Rodgers-Cromartie would be a good fit because we need a NB more than a S. Paul Oliver's rumored move to safety could pay big dividends and solidify the position opposite Weddle. Jammer is also just beginning to get up there in age and AJ Smith is always looking toward the future.

Sveen
02-05-2008, 05:54 AM
10. New Orleans Saints - Keith Rivers, LB, USC
40. New Orleans Saints - Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas
78. New Orleans Saints - Tashard Choice, RB, Georgia Tech
I love the 1st and 2nd pick, but they are pretty safe (when you look at the positions). The 3rd however is an interesting one for sure. With Deuce's future up in the air, I can absolutely see Choice being the type of player that can take over where he left off. Brave pick, and it might also be a great one. Good job.

ABWA757
02-05-2008, 07:33 AM
11. Buffalo Bills - Dan Connor, LB, Penn State --- Good pick
41. Buffalo Bills - Jermichael Finley, TE, Texas--- I personally dont like this guy seems too much of a reach... Carlson
71. Buffalo Bills (via BAL) - Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan State-- good pick
72. Buffalo Bills - Jeremy Thompson, DE, Wake Forest --- buffalo has alot of money already invested in the de position and i dont think a de is a need because of it--- i would pick the best CB available which is Trae Williams

SmarterThanU
02-05-2008, 05:32 PM
23. Pittsburgh Steelers - Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt

I'm holding out for Jeff Otah but wouldn't be upset with this pick. Need and is the best left on the board.

53. Pittsburgh Steelers - Kendall Langford, DE, Hampton


Really like this pick. 6-6 294lbs DE for the 3-4. He's been very productive at a very small school but has a ton of upside.

88. Pittsburgh Steelers- Chilo Rachal, OG, USC

Another very good pick. Is a top 3 OG in the draft the Steelers get in the 3rd. Should get nice depth and great competition at the guard positions.

For the Steelers I give it an A -. So far the best I have seen.

etk
02-05-2008, 08:35 PM
Thanks for the comments SmarterThanU. What I like about Langford to the Steelers even though it is a pretty solid reach, is that he's more athletic than people give him credit for. I think he's closer to 280 than 295 but he can play in a 3-4 and he can also play LDE in a 4-3 if Tomlin ever makes that much-speculated switch. There are never a whole lot of good 3-4 prospects so it's nice to see some fans not getting angry over a reach at that spot (same thing with safety this year).

fenikz
02-05-2008, 08:51 PM
Really good overall mock for the Cardinals, but if i were our GM a few picks would be different

1. Jonathan Stewart - While he is a great player i fell that both Jenkins and McKlevin have more value, and both fill our main need

2. Antoine Cason - Another great player and if we end up with a R in the 1st i would love it but if we go with a CB, Jamaal Charles would be a great pick

3. Cliff Avril - I didn't get to watch this guy much but i know he is a good pass rusher and he fills a need good pick

my scenario

1. McKlevin /Jenkins
2. Charles
3. Avril

your scenario

1. Stewart
2. Cason
3. Avril

pretty similar but i think mine has a slight edge to it, basically just nit picking because there isn't much bad about the mock

etk
02-05-2008, 08:56 PM
Your argument is very valid, I'm just a huge Stewart fan and I believe he's a talent you can't pass up if you need a RB. In reality...CB would probably be the pick for the Cards.

Cashmoney
02-05-2008, 09:15 PM
No way we pass on some of the TE's left to take a DE in the 3rd. TE is a HUGE need right now.

Canadian_draft_fan
02-05-2008, 09:33 PM
I agree with DirtThirty. I'm not a fan of Bowman for our 3rd pick. I would prefer Rachal, Hills or Benedict at that point. Cripe, I would prefer Jordyzz if you're giving us a WR.