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bearsfan_51
02-21-2008, 02:22 PM
I've read some reports that the Packers are interesting in signing Branden Ayanbadejo. He wants to be the highest paid special teams player (which would be about 2 million per), and have a chance to compete at linebacker (competition for Poppinga perhaps).

Wouldn't be a bad signing for the Packers at all, though he is on the wrong side of 30.

ChezPower4
02-21-2008, 03:01 PM
If stats don't lie for Bigby, then toss in that he lead the team in missed tackles at 15, the same amount that Marquand Manuel missed last year. Also from jsonline: Bigby had 8 penalties. Bigby's total was extreme for a safety. From 1991-'06, no Packers safety ever had more than four. Manuel had one last year. The most touchdown passes were allowed by Bigby with five, a notch less than Marquand Manuel's 5 1/2 last year. That is twice as many penalties as any safety the Packers have had over the last 15 years and he's a half TD upgrade as far as scoring defense.

Great for Bigby that he had the caused turnovers. At least he had more turnovers caused than TDs given up. Also great he lead the team in PDs, but he also had the most penalties (which means 8 first automatic first downs given up) and most missed tackles. That's 28 negative plays of penalties, missed tackles and TDs given up, as compared to 22 positive plays of picks, fumbles and passes defensed.

He's a nice story being a UDFA, but I would much rather see Rouse in with Collins, unless Kenny Phillips falls, which isn't going to happen.


I see where your coming from but like i said he is young and still has a lot of room to improve. Bigby's upside is termedous and it seems that Collins isn't going to be a major playmaker but he is solid. I was also interested where you found those stats because i would like to see them so if you could tell me where you got them that would be cool. Also about those 8 penalties if I'm not mistakin he had 4 in one game(which they won). Lets not forget that collins roughing the passer penalty(that led to a giants TD) probably cost the Packers a chance to go to the Super Bowl. Great players play well in the big games and Bigby was possably our best defender during the playoffs(when it really counts)!

ChezPower4
02-21-2008, 03:04 PM
Sorry to see Bubba go but I agree that it had to be done. Tagging Williams was also awsome we will definatly have one of the deepest DT roations in the NFL.

TitleTown088
02-21-2008, 03:25 PM
I've read some reports that the Packers are interesting in signing Branden Ayanbadejo. He wants to be the highest paid special teams player (which would be about 2 million per), and have a chance to compete at linebacker (competition for Poppinga perhaps).

Wouldn't be a bad signing for the Packers at all, though he is on the wrong side of 30.

uh, Link?

Also, apparently the Packers are interested in Crumpler... Along with many other teams.
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2008/02/21/crumpler_0222.html

bearsfan_51
02-21-2008, 03:29 PM
uh, Link?

Also, apparently the Packers are interested in Crumpler... Along with many other teams.
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2008/02/21/crumpler_0222.html
There's one.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/cs-21-bears-chicago-scouting-cofeb21,1,6691725.story

GB12
02-21-2008, 04:24 PM
I've read some reports that the Packers are interesting in signing Branden Ayanbadejo. He wants to be the highest paid special teams player (which would be about 2 million per), and have a chance to compete at linebacker (competition for Poppinga perhaps).

Wouldn't be a bad signing for the Packers at all, though he is on the wrong side of 30.
No way he'd start for us. Poppinga isn't great, but he's not complete **** and certainly wouldn't get beaten out by a special teamer. If we signed him it would be just for special teams as a backup. I don't buy it happening though. We have good special teamers already including our two current backup linebackers. I feel no need to give him $2 million and a roster space.

neko4
02-21-2008, 04:30 PM
I see where your coming from but like i said he is young and still has a lot of room to improve. Bigby's upside is termedous and it seems that Collins isn't going to be a major playmaker but he is solid. I was also interested where you found those stats because i would like to see them so if you could tell me where you got them that would be cool. Also about those 8 penalties if I'm not mistakin he had 4 in one game(which they won). Lets not forget that collins roughing the passer penalty(that led to a giants TD) probably cost the Packers a chance to go to the Super Bowl. Great players play well in the big games and Bigby was possably our best defender during the playoffs(when it really counts)!
I still dont think they shouldve called that roughing the passer on collins, he had to much forward momentum to stop running

The Legend
02-21-2008, 06:06 PM
Branden Ayanbadejo & Tracy White (if we keep him) would be a nice dou but i dont know if it will happen

if not Ayanbadejo would be a nice replacement for him

PackerLegend
02-21-2008, 06:39 PM
There is talk that the Seahawks might cut Shaun Alexander soon. Now I know we dont really need him with the emergence of Grant and he is 30 or 31 but there is a connection between him and TT. Would you want him if the price was right? Does he fit in our scheme.

Also there is talking that the Broncos are trying to trade Javon Walker to the Bucs because he is owed a 4 or 5 million dollar option soon but they also say he will probably just be cut. I dont know but right now that Walker trade is looking good his knee has been all messed up.

umphrey
02-21-2008, 06:49 PM
Alexander has been overrated for years and now he's just plain bad now that he's older and his line isn't dominant anymore. Honestly I don't think he's much better than Wynn and he'd sure cost a lot more.

TitleTown088
02-21-2008, 08:14 PM
Branden Ayanbadejo & Tracy White (if we keep him) would be a nice dou but i dont know if it will happen

if not Ayanbadejo would be a nice replacement for him
Meh, dosen't that article say hes looking for two Million? That's a bit expensive for someone who would likely play ST.

Nitschke-Hawk
02-21-2008, 10:09 PM
Ayanbendejo celebrates after every damn special teams tackle he makes. I don't think he'd play here though, I've heard him say he's not too found of the midwest I'd assumed he would wanna closer to home. Plus I think Poppinga is actually regarded higher around the league than most of us think.

GB12
02-21-2008, 10:21 PM
Ayanbendejo celebrates after every damn special teams tackle he makes. I don't think he'd play here though, I've heard him say he's not too found of the midwest I'd assumed he would wanna closer to home. Plus I think Poppinga is actually regarded higher around the league than most of us think.
I don't have a problem with Poppinga. When looking for the weak points in the team he comes up rather soon though. With going 13-3 there usually isn't a whole lot wrong with your team. Besides the safeties there's nothing else to complain about with the defensive starters. On offense there's just the guards. So he's our 5th worst starter which doesn't take long to get to when talking weaknesses. If we had a disfunctional DLine or problems with the passing game you wouldn't here a whole lot about him. While he certainly can be upgraded, when you look around the league at team's 3rd LB we're better off than many teams. If we get a Keith Rivers or Dan Connor great, if not I'm ok with having Poppinga start again next year.

ny10804
02-21-2008, 11:12 PM
Poppinga played lights out vs. the Giants. His one problem is covering a speedy TE, a type of player which many teams have or want to have.





Draft Outlook:

By my count, there are 17 players that are used frequently in our defensive system (4 CBs, 2 safeties, 3 LBs, 4 DTs, and 4 DEs). We could really bring our defense to the next level if we can make improvements.

From that number, 10 are unlikely to be improved upon: DT1 (Pickett), DT2 (Jolly), DT3 (Williams), DT4 (Harrell), LDE (Kampman), RDE (Jenkins), CB1 (Harris), CB2 (Woodson), WLB (Hawk), and MLB (Barnett).

The DT rotation is set in stone, both starting DEs are very reliable, two of the three LBs are well above average, and both CBs are good for at least another year.


4 could possibly be improved upon: S1 and S2 (Bigby/Rouse/Collins), DE3 (KGB), and SLB (Poppinga).

Popp does some things very well (play the run) and others poorly (play the pass). KGB is a one-dimensional (pass-rushing), one-trick pony (speed rush) that can always be exploited. Our safeties have potential, but are unproven.


3 definitely can be improved upon: CB3 and CB4 (Blackmon/Williams/Bush), and DE4 (Montgomery).

Blackmon and Bush have shone flashes, sandwiched by long periods of darkness. Williams could actually be the best of the three, he did some really good things towards the end of the season. Montgomery has a good body type, but probably doesn't have the intangibles to be a key contributor.


With all this in mind, I think our defense is a couple pieces away from being one of the league's elite. A reliable third corner is the most pressing need, and could be available to us at 30. I think Rodgers-Cromartie could fill that void and be an impact player in his rookie year.


I'll do offense later.

PackerLegend
02-21-2008, 11:18 PM
What about cornerbacks, id say theres lots of problems there Al and Charles are getting old with no proven depth behind them. Also could complain about our 2nd TE.

Id take a CB over someone to replace Poppinga anyday.

ny10804
02-21-2008, 11:20 PM
I just realized GB12 just did pretty much the same thing in the draft thread. We pretty much reached the same conclusions.

ny10804
02-21-2008, 11:21 PM
What about cornerbacks, id say theres lots of problems there Al and Charles are getting old with no proven depth behind them. Also could complain about our 2nd TE.

Id take a CB over someone to replace Poppinga anyday.

I'll have to assume that wasn't directed at me.

GB12
02-21-2008, 11:24 PM
By my count, there are 17 players that are used frequently in our defensive system (4 CBs, 2 safeties, 3 LBs, 4 DTs, and 4 DEs). We could really bring our defense to the next level if we can make improvements.

4 could possibly be improved upon: S1 and S2 (Bigby/Rouse/Collins), DE3 (KGB), and SLB (Poppinga).


3 definitely can be improved upon: CB3 and CB4 (Blackmon/Williams/Bush), and DE4 (Montgomery).

I'd put that as 16 frequently used players. We almost never go in dime packages so it's really 3 CBs. Also I disgagree with KGB listed as "possibly improved". He's being used soley as a pass rusher now as he should be and he's one of the best at doing that. He is a much better pass rush specialist than anyone we could get in the draft or free agency.

Otherwise good job.

ny10804
02-21-2008, 11:37 PM
There were times when KGB was used on run-downs and was obliterated. I think he should be our fourth DE, and put in only when the play is beyond a shadow of a doubt a passing down. Jenkins and Kampman are much better players when given proper rest. KGB doesn't give them the rest they need (on running downs). This problem could be nicely solved by using Williams as Cullen Jenkins-lite. He could provide relief to Jenkins and Kampman (more likely Kampman) on running downs, and KGB can come in for Jenkins on passing downs. This problem can be solved internally, but it is not guaranteed.

As for the CB situation, there were many times when we utilized the dime package. I can't really prove this, but I do remember seeing Harris, Bush, Williams, and Walker on the field at the same time (when Woodson and Blackmon were out). And third and fourth CBs often rotate depending on the team's WR core. I stand by that 17 number.

GB12
02-21-2008, 11:47 PM
There were times when KGB was used on run-downs and was obliterated. I think he should be our fourth DE, and put in only when the play is beyond a shadow of a doubt a passing down. Jenkins and Kampman are much better players when given proper rest. KGB doesn't give them the rest they need (on running downs). This problem could be nicely solved by using Williams as Cullen Jenkins-lite. He could provide relief to Jenkins and Kampman (more likely Kampman) on running downs, and KGB can come in for Jenkins on passing downs. This problem can be solved internally, but it is not guaranteed.

As for the CB situation, there were many times when we utilized the dime package. I can't really prove this, but I do remember seeing Harris, Bush, Williams, and Walker on the field at the same time (when Woodson and Blackmon were out). And third and fourth CBs often rotate depending on the team's WR core. I stand by that 17 number.

Yeah, I think we could use a guy to come in against the run, but that's not really replacing KGB it's replacing Montgomery. I believe we've discussed this before and agreed on the whole situation.

I remember seeing dime in the final game against the Lions quite a bit, but I think that was to test out the corners we have as much as we could and that the Lions don't run. There was another game that we utilized it, but I don't remember which. It's not something that we rarely use in our normal defense, and less than most teams in the NFL do. We're not really arguing anything other than how much we use the 4th corner though as I agree that taking 2 CBs would make sense.

johbur
02-22-2008, 03:47 AM
I see where your coming from but like i said he is young and still has a lot of room to improve. Bigby's upside is termedous and it seems that Collins isn't going to be a major playmaker but he is solid. I was also interested where you found those stats because i would like to see them so if you could tell me where you got them that would be cool. Also about those 8 penalties if I'm not mistakin he had 4 in one game(which they won). Lets not forget that collins roughing the passer penalty(that led to a giants TD) probably cost the Packers a chance to go to the Super Bowl. Great players play well in the big games and Bigby was possably our best defender during the playoffs(when it really counts)!

As mentioned, jsonline is the source, they run this article at the end of every season:
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=711096

It reports who missed the most tackles, dropped the most passes, gave up the sacks, had the bad runs and penalties and also some stuff on pass pro, sacks and pressures.

I'm still a huge fan of Rouse, more so than Collins. If Bigby gets it done in camp, great. But he still had a lot of negative plays and I think that a Rouse/Collins safety duo would be the best for this scheme. A Rouse/Bigby duo would have a lot of play-making potential based on last year, but Bigby needs to clean up his play and be consistent.

neko4
02-22-2008, 08:06 PM
Anyone else worried that Favre wont comeback?

GB12
02-22-2008, 08:21 PM
Anyone else worried that Favre wont comeback?
I'm not really worried, but he's sure taking a while. I thought he said he was going to decide quickly this year. Last year it was like the first week of February.

TitleTown088
02-22-2008, 09:25 PM
Favre decision should be soon
INDIANAPOLIS -- Mike McCarthy suggested that Brett Favre is close to informing the Green Bay Packers of his decision whether to return in 2008 for his 17th season as their quarterback.

When the playoffs ended, Favre said he expected to make a quick decision on whether to return or retire, and McCarthy has spoken to him weekly since then. At the NFL scouting combine Friday, the Packers' coach said he last spoke with Favre last Friday and expected to call him again this weekend. When asked whether he expected to have an answer from Favre by now and said, “Hopefully we’re close.”

McCarthy said there was no reason to give Favre a deadline for an answer because the quarterback is sensitive to the team’s need to have a timely answer.

“He was more concerned about a deadline because he felt like he was holding the organization up,” McCarthy said. “My whole thing with Brett is, make a decision you can commit 100 percent to. That’s what you have to do. To him the season’s still fresh, he’s worn out from the season. He’s talked about it. He’ll do the right thing.”


We'll know soon enough from the sounds of it. He'll be back.

PackerLegend
02-22-2008, 09:44 PM
Anyone else worried that Favre wont comeback?

I think he will, remember during the playoffs there was an article with his daughters saying how he should come back and play. I just want him to decided before free agency starts because im sure him retiring might change some free agents minds about coming here

jackalope
02-22-2008, 09:49 PM
I'm not really worried, but he's sure taking a while. I thought he said he was going to decide quickly this year. Last year it was like the first week of February.


Yeah, I was under the impression his decision was going to come awhile ago.

I wouldn't say I'm "worried" he won't return because it's not a big deal to me if he retires or not. I know that sounds odd as a Packer fan, but I'm ready for the Rodgers era to begin.

http://packers.com/news/stories/2008/02/22/3/

GB12
02-23-2008, 12:58 AM
Turns out Brandt didn't leave us, he was fired.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=721255

The Legend
02-23-2008, 02:24 AM
Broncos are trading Ian Gold i wouldnt mind giving up a 5th round pick for him

GB12
02-23-2008, 10:44 AM
Broncos are trading Ian Gold i wouldnt mind giving up a 5th round pick for him
He really looked bad last year and will be 30 by the time next season starts. That was in Jim Bates' defensive scheme which is what we run. So maybe he just had a bad year, but those are some things to be worried about.

On a side note he is Greg Jennings' cousin.

ChezPower4
02-23-2008, 11:42 AM
Anyone else worried that Favre wont comeback?


I'm not worried, with the sucess we had last year and the talent that we have returning next year I think that he wil take one more shot at winning a Super Bowl.

PackerLegend
02-23-2008, 04:17 PM
Ive read that McCarthy wants to keep Morency around for a little while atleast until camp

johbur
02-23-2008, 05:44 PM
I had a moment of temporary excitement watching the combine. The draft order showed Green Bay at #18 (Houston's spot) and at #30. I had to jump online and see who we traded to get that extra mid-round first-round draft pick. Sadly, no mention of a trade, which means that NFL Network just doesn't have their stuff together. Grrr... They're still showing it as GB at #18 right now.

It is also in the ticker that Steelers cut Allen Rossum. I can't say that at his age now that I have all that much interest in him, but I'd like the team to bring him in and see if he has anything left in the tank. I loved Rossum when he was here. If he had anything, he'd be a nice back-up in the return game and even given his size, he was better than our #3, #4 and #5 CBs this year when he was here last, which was in 2001, so who knows what he's like physically now.

Jermichael Finley looked good catching the ball and Martellus Bennett had a decent run in the 40, a 4.69. Dustin Keller blew out a 4.53 40 yard dash and he had 26 reps on the bench. He's a little on the smaller size, but given Lee would be the primary TE, a guy like Keller could come in and be a seam splitting TE and a down field threat for the pass game.

The Legend
02-24-2008, 08:56 AM
Texas TE Jermichael Finley indicated at the NFL Combine Thursday that the Packers are heavily interested in him.

"Green Bay's on me real hard," he said. Finley

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=4717&line=112741&spln=1

PackerLegend
02-24-2008, 01:16 PM
With free agency closing in fast do u think the Packers will sign anyone this year? I sure hope we get someone who can help of course at the right price. I don't want anymore Frank Walkers, Aurto Freemans and all the other cheap guys that aren't any good. I want another Woodson like signing, a guy that actually has made a huge impact.

TitleTown088
02-24-2008, 01:30 PM
Texas TE Jermichael Finley indicated at the NFL Combine Thursday that the Packers are heavily interested in him.

"Green Bay's on me real hard," he said. Finley

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=4717&line=112741&spln=1

Yeah, I already posted that. He's a interesting prospect, but there are a number of TEs the Packers could take a look at in rounds 2-4.

ChezPower4
02-24-2008, 02:12 PM
I think that Brad Cottam would be a good pick. I know that he is not as athletic as Finley, Davis or Keller but he does move very well for his size. At
6'7 this guy would be a terror in the red zone. Who would be able to cover this guy? I doubt were going to take a TE in the first round which brings me to the conlution that if we do draft a TE they will not be staring and he would probably be avalible in the fourth or fith round.

johbur
02-24-2008, 09:31 PM
I like Brad Cottam and he'd be a good pickup, but I wanted Greg Olsen last year and see Keller as a chance to get a game breaker at the position, rather than another Franks, who was great in the end zone in his youth but never made a safety back up in fear of getting beat deep.

The Legend
02-24-2008, 10:30 PM
I like Brad Cottam and he'd be a good pickup, but I wanted Greg Olsen last year and see Keller as a chance to get a game breaker at the position, rather than another Franks, who was great in the end zone in his youth but never made a safety back up in fear of getting beat deep.

the reason i dont think we will get Brad Cottam is cause he will be gone by mid way 3rd round, i dont see the packer getting him with a 2nd round pick

also im not worried if Favre comes back or not i have alot of faith in Aaron Rodgers
but I would perfer Favre to come back and give Rodgers one more year

neko4
02-24-2008, 10:48 PM
Dream Mock for now
1-Dominique Rodgers Cromartie CB Tenn St
2-Erin Henderson LB Maryland
3-Tommy Blake DE TCU
4-Donald Thomas OG UCONN
5-Mike Hart HB Michigan
7-Kolo Kapanui TE West Texas A&M

First of all, i like what ive seen of DRC so far, i think in a 1-2 years he'll be a solid starter and 1-2 years later a pro bowler. I think Erin Henderson would be a steal at that point, but its possible to get him late in the 2nd. I think he could immediatly push Poppinga for his job. Im really starting to like the idea of getting a replacement for the aging KGB, so if Blake is around in the 3rd lets get him. Proably not an instant starter. Donald Thomas looks like a ZBS OG, but also looks like he may have injury troubles. I have a secret love affair with Mike Hart, jk. But he's a hard worker and will atleast push Jackson, Wynn and Morency. Finally, i think i heard Mayock say Kapanui was a good blocker. Im not sure, but its only the 7th round pick. Now you may ask yourself why didnt i give us a TE earlier. I believe TT sees something in Tory Humphrey that made the release of Bubba an easy decision, well see though.

Not sure if everyone agrees with this but w/e

bigboiajhawk
02-25-2008, 12:21 AM
Its a good mock, i like a lot of the players. For me I would like either aqib talib or DRC in the first, I would like a TE in the 2nd, either finley or bennett, the reason why is because they are both extremely young, and the packers could develop them and still have them be young when they take over after donald lee. In the third i like the tommy blake pick alot, i really want to see how he does in the combine, actually, do any of you guys know what he benched? Im sure he will run great especially after seeing the youtube video of him chasing down a running back. If not tommy blake in the third, then maybe Jeremy Zuttah if he is there. In the fourth, a LB possibly grant out of the ohio state. In the fifth i really like the mike hart pick, ZBS runner, who might be able to teach the packer runners a thing or two. In the seventh an OL preferably someone out of the big ten, like an Iowa or Wisconsin or Michigan lineman if available.

ChezPower4
02-25-2008, 10:06 AM
I like Brad Cottam and he'd be a good pickup, but I wanted Greg Olsen last year and see Keller as a chance to get a game breaker at the position, rather than another Franks, who was great in the end zone in his youth but never made a safety back up in fear of getting beat deep.

I wanted Olsen last year as well, I really like Keller as a receving threat but the one thing I really don't like is that he doesn't block. I don't like one dementional players. Although if thats the only major thing wrong with him his blocking can be improved with work. I would love him as a pick but I think after what he did at the combine he probably moved himself up to the top TE on a lot of people's boards and the cover 2 breaking TEs are hard to come by. So I'm thinking that wont even be around by the time we are on the clock.

umphrey
02-25-2008, 03:51 PM
2 Players I hope we take a look at:

Michael Huff, FS/SS/CB, Raiders. Apparently the Raiders are shopping him for a trade. He's signed for 6 years 43 million so he wouldn't be cheap, but putting him at FS would give our secondary a huge boost. He is great at covering tight ends and very athletic with great instincts. Not the best hands and not very physical. I think our system would really play to his strengths and hide weaknesses.

Javon Kearse, DE, Eagles. Expected to be cut due to salary. Would probably play LE opposite Kampman on most downs. We would likely shift our line around a bit but I think he would really bring our DL to an entire new level. Our pass rush would be deadly. Imagine what our 3rd down pass rush would look like: KGB/Kearse/Williams/Kampman. That is straight up beastly, Giants-esque. Also wouldn't be cheap, probably 5-7 mil a year.

GB12
02-25-2008, 04:00 PM
2 Players I hope we take a look at:

Michael Huff, FS/SS/CB, Raiders. Apparently the Raiders are shopping him for a trade. He's signed for 6 years 43 million so he wouldn't be cheap, but putting him at FS would give our secondary a huge boost. He is great at covering tight ends and very athletic with great instincts. Not the best hands and not very physical. I think our system would really play to his strengths and hide weaknesses.

Javon Kearse, DE, Eagles. Expected to be cut due to salary. Would probably play LE opposite Kampman on most downs. We would likely shift our line around a bit but I think he would really bring our DL to an entire new level. Our pass rush would be deadly. Imagine what our 3rd down pass rush would look like: KGB/Kearse/Williams/Kampman. That is straight up beastly, Giants-esque. Also wouldn't be cheap, probably 5-7 mil a year.
Covering the tight end was actually something that Huff struggled with. He'd be a good fit for our FS with what we ask Collins to do though. It doesn't look like he's actually available, and if he is the Raiders are asking for a lot.

No way would Kearse start opposite Kampman. Jenkins would easily keep his job. He's getting cut more because of his performance than his salary. He's no where near "The Freak" that he was in Tennessee. He might be able to get 3 or 4 million because of the high priced market, but he's definitely not worth that much.

umphrey
02-25-2008, 04:12 PM
Covering the tight end was actually something that Huff struggled with. He'd be a good fit for our FS with what we ask Collins to do though. It doesn't look like he's actually available, and if he is the Raiders are asking for a lot.

I heard he only struggled with that because he played up at the line at SS. Can't say for sure though, I hardly ever watch the raiders.

GB12
02-25-2008, 04:24 PM
I heard he only struggled with that because he played up at the line at SS. Can't say for sure though, I hardly ever watch the raiders.
Well he's a better fit at FS anyways. He'd be a nice upgrade over Collins and would provide the playmaking ability that many want from the safety position. Huff and Bigby would be a nice tandem. I think it's very unlikely we'd trade for him, but I'd welcome it if we did.

umphrey
02-25-2008, 09:30 PM
Looks like Williamson won't be a Viking for long, and we have 1 less reason to mock them

RyanBraun8
02-25-2008, 11:38 PM
hey just read on the jsonline that the Packers could be able to get a second round pick for Williams, if they trade before the draft. That could be real nice for the Packers and really allow us to cover our needs in the first 3 rounds.

the guys i want to see Packers at those needs would be

CB's I'll wait till after there workout but Talib and DRC are my favs.

TE
1)Finley (only a redshirt SO and 20 yrs old) Has the gifts and will be able to take his time and develop and not rushed in.
2)Keller after seeing his combine, hes a solid player all around
3)Cottam, wouldnt mind, he's shockingly athletic for his size.
4)Davis- was my top til i saw his lack of focus and all those drops. Such a threat though for an offense.
5) Carlson but not for the 1st round pick

LB
1 Rivers, very high on him
2 Henderson, like alot but not sure if he could handle SLB
3. Gooden, solid all around, won't blow your mind but will get the job done. still upgrade over poppinga
4. Crable, guys a beast and could be real good or just as easy bust. Has the tools ans def the size to excel at SLB

OG
well if we draft one we are drafting a tackle who can move inside, with that said I like alot of the tackles, its a great class. I like Cousins, think need be able to convert to guard nice with his athleticness

umphrey
02-25-2008, 11:59 PM
I saw that too I hope it happens. We could come away with a CB, TE, LB who are all very talented with starting potential, especially with the depth this year.

ChezPower4
02-26-2008, 11:40 AM
2 Players I hope we take a look at:


Javon Kearse, DE, Eagles. Expected to be cut due to salary. Would probably play LE opposite Kampman on most downs. We would likely shift our line around a bit but I think he would really bring our DL to an entire new level. Our pass rush would be deadly. Imagine what our 3rd down pass rush would look like: KGB/Kearse/Williams/Kampman. That is straight up beastly, Giants-esque. Also wouldn't be cheap, probably 5-7 mil a year.

I think that aquiring Javon Kearse would be a terrible idea. He was a really good player untill his last knee injury. Since then he doesn't have the speed and explotion that made him a terror on the edge. He was pretty healthy this year and didn't play that much because of preformance and the Eagles love pass rushers and if their not playing him then something is really wrong. We already have Jenkins and KGB, Kearse would be a lot of wasted money for a player with diminishing skills and injury problems. I see little to no upside with adding him to our team.

PackerLegend
02-26-2008, 01:47 PM
Tennessee State CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie ran unofficial 4.28 and 4.34 forties at the NFL Combine Tuesday.

Rodgers-Cromartie's cousin, Antonio, ran in the mid 4.4s at the Combine two years ago, although he posted a 4.36 at the Florida State Pro Day. Still, this is blazing for the 6'2 corner. It could vault DRC all the way to the first round.

I want DRC!!!

TitleTown088
02-26-2008, 01:50 PM
Tennessee State CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie ran unofficial 4.28 and 4.34 forties at the NFL Combine Tuesday.

Rodgers-Cromartie's cousin, Antonio, ran in the mid 4.4s at the Combine two years ago, although he posted a 4.36 at the Florida State Pro Day. Still, this is blazing for the 6'2 corner. It could vault DRC all the way to the first round.

I want DRC!!!

With that 40 time and his performance at the senior bowl, I'd be willing to bet he'll be long gone by pick 30.

Anyways, here is a story about rumors involving Williams as trade bait. http://packerchatters.com/op-ed/view.php?id=4047

PackerLegend
02-26-2008, 02:04 PM
With that 40 time and his performance at the senior bowl, I'd be willing to bet he'll be long gone by pick 30.

Anyways, here is a story about rumors involving Williams as trade bait. http://packerchatters.com/op-ed/view.php?id=4047


Just going to post that. I think its interesting but I dont think it will happen.

umphrey
02-26-2008, 03:15 PM
That Williams + pick for Huff trade would make me one happy packer fan. It makes sense in pretty much every way I can think of. The only reason I still consider it a long shot is because TT likes draft picks and Al Davis wants a lot out of trades, TT might opt to try to get a mid/late second for Williams rather than give up a 2nd/3rd. I think a 2nd would be high and a 3rd might not be enough. I really hope we work something out though, that trade is literally my dream conclusion to what to do with C Williams.

TitleTown088
02-26-2008, 04:18 PM
I would see ted look for picks in the draft for Williams over a player. I really don't think Ted would want to trade for Huff and take on his contract as well. I absolutely don't see the Packers giving up a pick as well as a player for Huff and his contract.

TitleTown088
02-26-2008, 04:55 PM
As suspected the packers were not overly interested Wahle.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=721829

bigboiajhawk
02-26-2008, 05:49 PM
Gotta love the vikings,

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3265157

They are trading their first round player in Troy Williamson, for a reported 6th round pick.

On another note, I hope the Packers dont trade Corey Williams. I mean the guy has said he wants to play in Green Bay, and he has played extremely well for us, and to trade him for michael huff, I would personally want alot in return, ie: a second round pick, or possibly third and fourth picks

PackerLegend
02-26-2008, 08:45 PM
Gotta love the vikings,

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3265157

They are trading their first round player in Troy Williamson, for a reported 6th round pick.

Actually its a very good deal by the Vikings and there pretty lucky they got anything for him seeing as he cant catch anything.

TitleTown088
02-26-2008, 09:00 PM
Actually its a very good deal by the Vikings and there pretty lucky they got anything for him seeing as he cant catch anything.

He was a former 7th overall selection and they are going to get a second day pick for him.That sucks any way you look at it.
Sure one could say at leased they got SOMETHING for him... But in the long run it still hurts. Anytime you pick someone in the top 1o and they turn out to be a complete bust it's bad news bears.

Twiddler
02-26-2008, 10:03 PM
Actually its a very good deal by the Vikings and there pretty lucky they got anything for him seeing as he cant catch anything.

It really could go either way. You can look at it like TT088 and say that they didn't get enough for a former seventh overall pick, but then again its not like he has had any success in Minnesota. The one thing that I'm curious about is if he will actually be able to produce with a pretty good QB, compared to the scrubs he's caught balls from in Minny. Only time will tell (my money is on it being a pretty decent trade for Jacksonville, at least the risk is worth it in my mind).

The Legend
02-27-2008, 12:23 AM
It really could go either way. You can look at it like TT088 and say that they didn't get enough for a former seventh overall pick, but then again its not like he has had any success in Minnesota. The one thing that I'm curious about is if he will actually be able to produce with a pretty good QB, compared to the scrubs he's caught balls from in Minny. Only time will tell (my money is on it being a pretty decent trade for Jacksonville, at least the risk is worth it in my mind).

i personal belive they could have gotten a 5th round pick
not metion its a really low 6th round pick 10 pick from the 7th round

GB12
02-27-2008, 12:26 AM
i personal belive they could have gotten a 5th round pick
not metion its a really low 6th round pick 10 pick from the 7th round
While opinions generally can't technically be wrong, but that one is. If they could have gotten a 5th they would have.

The Legend
02-27-2008, 12:30 AM
While opinions generally can't technically be wrong, but that one is. If they could have gotten a 5th they would have.


yea i said it wrong, if they could / they would, i mean i thought he was worth a 5th round pick, just thought he was worth more i guessfor it lol

johbur
02-27-2008, 02:16 AM
I love that the Vikings gave up on Williamson. I hope they waste another 1st round pick on a WR. Maybe they'll offer Moss $50 million to come back... Hehehe. I'd love to see Moss go from league record TDs, to 4 TDs with Tavaris throwing to him.

Thankfully, TT is SOOOO much better than the clowns with the Vikes.

The Legend
02-27-2008, 08:07 AM
I love that the Vikings gave up on Williamson. I hope they waste another 1st round pick on a WR. Maybe they'll offer Moss $50 million to come back... Hehehe. I'd love to see Moss go from league record TDs, to 4 TDs with Tavaris throwing to him.

Thankfully, TT is SOOOO much better than the clowns with the Vikes.



WOW thats harsh lol

TitleTown088
02-27-2008, 03:12 PM
While I'll take Teddy and his staff over anyone in the vikings front office any day, they are actually fairly talented group. Especially their financial guys, they have done a good job with the cap and finding many loopholes for player contracts. Doing a pretty good job rebuilding if you ask me.

PACKmanN
02-27-2008, 03:28 PM
Williamson needs to go train with who ever that Atlanta WR(White) traded with, he improved big time this year, and it could benefit Williamson.

TitleTown088
02-27-2008, 08:04 PM
I fully expect Favre to announce his decision tomorrow. Perhaps Friday at the latest.

PackerLegend
02-27-2008, 08:16 PM
I fully expect Favre to announce his decision tomorrow. Perhaps Friday at the latest.

I heard Packers president talking about how Favre should announce soon or something like that. Why do you think he will, because free agency?

TitleTown088
02-28-2008, 12:12 AM
I heard Packers president talking about how Favre should announce soon or something like that. Why do you think he will, because free agency?

Yeah. He, and Ted have said that Favre will try to give them the decision so it would be beneficial timing for both parties(From what I have read). Free agency along with a gut feeling says it will be tomorrow.

johbur
02-28-2008, 12:36 AM
I hope he announces prior to free agency. I assume he's playing until he's not, but it would be nice to get that announcement out there for FAs that it might make a difference to.

princefielder28
02-28-2008, 09:22 AM
I hope he announces prior to free agency. I assume he's playing until he's not, but it would be nice to get that announcement out there for FAs that it might make a difference to.

John Clayton reported today that Favre is probably as close as he's ever been to retiring

TitleTown088
02-28-2008, 11:16 AM
John Clayton reported today that Favre is probably as close as he's ever been to retiring

When and where? What the heck does the cryptkeeper know?

I hope nothing.

drowe
02-28-2008, 02:17 PM
the packers.com site put a story up in error stating that Favre was going to announce his retirment. the blurb was up...and caused quite a stir, before the site took it down and stated they have prepared a story every year, and this year they just accidentally posted it on the site. we'll see...

GB12
02-28-2008, 03:18 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen, we have just matched the number of free agents we signed last year. Joe Toledo, offensive tackle from the Dolphins, signed a 1 year contract with the Packers this afternoon.

PackerLegend
02-28-2008, 03:29 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen, we have just matched the number of free agents we signed last year. Joe Toledo, offensive tackle from the Dolphins, signed a 1 year contract with the Packers this afternoon.

To bad he isnt a free agent otherwise we wouldnt be able to sign him until midnight tonight !!! So we are still at 0 :) .

PackerLegend
02-28-2008, 03:30 PM
In Case you missed it......
Brett Favre Retired!!!!!!

http://www.profootballtalk.com/favre_01.jpg


OR NOT!

GB12
02-28-2008, 03:36 PM
To bad he isnt a free agent otherwise we wouldnt be able to sign him until midnight tonight !!! So we are still at 0 :) .
He was cut so he was free to sign before the actual start of free agency.

TitleTown088
02-28-2008, 03:40 PM
Yeah, Here is the link for Toledo... http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/default.aspx

TitleTown088
02-28-2008, 06:11 PM
I was wrong looks like Lord Favre should announce next week.

umphrey
02-28-2008, 06:12 PM
Oft injured 2nd year T/G, former 4th round pick. Can't say I like it but it probably won't matter if he gets cut. Seems like TT wanted to draft him late but his former HC (Saban) got him before he could.

princefielder28
02-28-2008, 08:34 PM
What's everyone's reaction to the rumored deal of the Packers acquiring the Browns' 2nd rounder for Corey Williams??

Packer_Backer
02-28-2008, 08:51 PM
What's everyone's reaction to the rumored deal of the Packers acquiring the Browns' 2nd rounder for Corey Williams??

That's pretty good, though it would be nice to get a higher second. We are pretty good at DT, so if TT can use both to move up or get two good players I am all for it.

Nitschke-Hawk
02-28-2008, 08:54 PM
I like the move a lot it happens. I'll be rooting for Corey though, he became one of my favorites this year.

Meta4
02-28-2008, 09:03 PM
If true, Good Luck to Corey. Cleveland will be getting a hell of a player.

GB12
02-28-2008, 09:05 PM
I like the move a lot it happens. I'll be rooting for Corey though, he became one of my favorites this year.
Yeah, I wish him the best. I think we put him in a good situation though. He'll get a big payday like he would have gotten as a free agent now. We also sent him from a team that was a tiebreaker away from the playoffs, so he's not going to go from a contender to a bottom feeder.

jackalope
02-28-2008, 09:11 PM
I'm a bit disappointed in the deal. I would rather keep Williams this year and try to resign him then get a 2nd for him. Not too bad of a deal though.

neko4
02-28-2008, 09:15 PM
Im sad, i really began to like him the past 2 years, but im happy we'll be getting a 2nd

GB12
02-28-2008, 09:16 PM
I'm a bit disappointed in the deal. I would rather keep Williams this year and try to resign him then get a 2nd for him. Not too bad of a deal though.
I wouldn't have minded keeping him for one year, but I don't think resigning him would be a smart idea. He's going to huge contract and we have guys that can hold his position. I like Jolly more than Williams at this point and the future. As long as he makes a nice recovery as expected we should lock him up long term before the season.

mqtirishfan
02-28-2008, 09:28 PM
It looks like we're really putting our confidence in Justin Harrell. I really like the decision.

Goatboy1717
02-28-2008, 09:52 PM
I kinda like the deal. An extra 2nd round pick would be pretty nice and I think Jolly can fill in nice if he is healthy.

Nitschke-Hawk
02-28-2008, 10:20 PM
Yeah, I wish him the best. I think we put him in a good situation though. He'll get a big payday like he would have gotten as a free agent now. We also sent him from a team that was a tiebreaker away from the playoffs, so he's not going to go from a contender to a bottom feeder.

Yeah, and he gets the chance to be a leader for that defense as well and start turning the defense around, and as a "franchise player" he deserves that. Awesome guy in every interview I saw of him. Always talking on the field, pumped the crowd up. It was a special moment when I saw him after the NFC Championship loss (in pictures and in the background on the FOX broadcast) , he spent a few minutes kneeling on the field by himself and cried. That shows how much he cared about Title Town.


http://www.madison.com/images/articles/wsj/2007/12/09/58426.jpg
http://i.packers.com/pg/williams_corey_2007/photo26.jpg
http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/photographer/16/16824_large.jpg
http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/photographer/16/16802_large.jpg

I'm gonna be rooting for you Corey!!!

TitleTown088
02-28-2008, 10:33 PM
Me too. I really liked the guy.... Now if it " officially" goes down. Who do the Packers attempt replace him with?

Vince Lombardi
02-28-2008, 10:40 PM
I was hoping to keep Williams but with our depth at DT i'll gladly take a 2nd rounder for him. As soon as I saw that Tommy Kelley got 50+ million and 18+ guaranteed I knew that there was no way we would be keeping Williams. Oh well, best of luck to him!

GB12
02-28-2008, 10:44 PM
Me too. I really liked the guy.... Now if it " officially" goes down. Who do the Packers attempt replace him with?
We resign Colin Cole and go with Pickett/Jolly/Harrell/Cole/Muir.

PackerLegend
02-28-2008, 10:48 PM
Well I liked Corey alot as well but it was a smart move by TT if this is what he had planned. We could have not franchised him and he could have walked for nothing. We still have Pickett, Harrell, Jolly, Cole, Muir so we are deep. Drafting Harrell kind of pushed Williams out. Anyways it sucks but i like that 2nd round pick instead of letting him walk at some point. And you know he is going 2 be hitting jackpot with that Tommy Kelly signing.

Twiddler
02-28-2008, 10:54 PM
He's a great player but this was the right thing to do. If this is a second rounder then I think it puts us in prime position to possibly trade up into the earlier parts of the first round where we could get one of the corners. It's really too bad that he couldn't have stuck around, but this is a business after all.

TitleTown088
02-28-2008, 10:56 PM
We resign Colin Cole and go with Pickett/Jolly/Harrell/Cole/Muir.

Who's going to provide the constant interior pass rush? Jenkins?

bigboiajhawk
02-28-2008, 11:22 PM
I think TT is already giving us packer fans a hint, that either he likes someone in the first round alot, and will do whatever it takes to get that player, or he likes how deep the draft is. I am beginning to wonder if he really likes one of the runningbacks in the draft ie: mcfadden, Mendenhall, or stewart, because you would have thought by now the packers would have redone ryan grants deal. Dont get me wrong I do not want the packers to trade ryan grant, but could they be shopping him and a bundle of draft picks for one of those top guys?

GB12
02-28-2008, 11:25 PM
I think TT is already giving us packer fans a hint, that either he likes someone in the first round alot, and will do whatever it takes to get that player, or he likes how deep the draft is. I am beginning to wonder if he really likes one of the runningbacks in the draft ie: mcfadden, Mendenhall, or stewart, because you would have thought by now the packers would have redone ryan grants deal. Dont get me wrong I do not want the packers to trade ryan grant, but could they be shopping him and a bundle of draft picks for one of those top guys?
Why would you think that? We have him for 2008 and 2009 before his contract has to be extended. I think we'll take care of it before then, but after free agency and the draft. Probably will get to that in training camp or the preseason.

bigboiajhawk
02-28-2008, 11:32 PM
i didnt mean extending his offer, i meant paying him what he is worth. Wouldnt the packers want to get his deal done before free agency and the draft, because then they would know how much they have to shop around for players. Wouldnt it be better for ryan grant as well to have a little security, because him making 400,000 some dollars next season is not what I would call security. Like I said previously, I do not want the packers to trade ryan grant, I am just a little worried about the lack of progress there has been with his contract.

GB12
02-28-2008, 11:41 PM
i didnt mean extending his offer, i meant paying him what he is worth. Wouldnt the packers want to get his deal done before free agency and the draft, because then they would know how much they have to shop around for players. Wouldnt it be better for ryan grant as well to have a little security, because him making 400,000 some dollars next season is not what I would call security. Like I said previously, I do not want the packers to trade ryan grant, I am just a little worried about the lack of progress there has been with his contract.
Well by paying him what he's worth we have to extend his offer. He is an exclusive rights free agent this year and next year. By signing him to something else that is no longer in affect. I think we should give him a new deal and think we will. It's not that there's a lack of progress just that we havent tried yet. "Wouldnt the packers want to get his deal done before free agency and the draft, because then they would know how much they have to shop around for players." It's actually just the opposite. You wait until after so you know how to structure Grants contract.

bigboiajhawk
02-28-2008, 11:46 PM
Okay, I am just a little concerned about it all. I wish they wouldnt prolong it though, because i think it would make ryans offseason alot better knowing a deal was set in place. I really like how he runs, he is a perfect fit in our system, because he doesnt dance. It just worries me knowing that there are three stud runningbacks in this years draft, and TT seems to be making some moves this offseason.

umphrey
02-28-2008, 11:52 PM
A trade up is still pretty unlikely. Maybe Stewart falls but trading up for a RB is unlikely and any trade up this year would be unlikely since the elite talent is pretty lacking.

Early reports for Corey Williams deal are 6 years, $38mil. Not what stud DT got from Oakland but pretty close, it's obvious we wouldn't pay that for our 3rd or 4th best DT.

Goatboy1717
02-29-2008, 12:20 AM
I think they will trade up. They have the pieces now with 2 second rounders and a first so they can package a 2nd and the 1st to trade up. I think TT has really fallen in love with a player. Maybe a LB, CB, or someone else but I wouldnt be surprised to see a trade up.

TitleTown088
02-29-2008, 01:14 AM
Corey Smith is coming in for a visit Monday.

EvilMonkey
02-29-2008, 10:42 AM
I dont expect a trade-up considering TT has NEVER done it before. There is a lot of talent in the early rounds and having 3 picks in the first 2 rounds should give us a great draft. I'm hoping we can stay where we are and get a CB in the first, a TE with one of our 2nds, and I'd like an O-lineman but BPA with our other 2nd rounder will be just fine.

princefielder28
02-29-2008, 11:26 AM
Packers released Carlyle Holiday

PackerLegend
02-29-2008, 12:43 PM
Corey Smith is coming in for a visit Monday.

A backup..... I want a Charles Woodson like signing so the player will actually have an impact on this team. As always alot of free agents are getting a ton of money but what do you expect.

roidrunner
02-29-2008, 12:45 PM
i have a feeling that the player he loves is DRC. Or atleast i hope it is. hahah. The kid looks really good. He is my hope for our pick. Who knows maybe Mcfadden?? LOL 2 seconds and a first.

bearsfan_51
02-29-2008, 12:47 PM
i have a feeling that the player he loves is DRC. Or atleast i hope it is. hahah. The kid looks really good. He is my hope for our pick. Who knows maybe Mcfadden?? LOL 2 seconds and a first.
If he loves DRC he better pull all his picks together and move up. He's a top 20 lock, a very likely top 15, and a 50/50 to go top 10.

I had him at #6 to the Jets in my most recent mock.

The Legend
02-29-2008, 01:43 PM
Lions defensive end Corey Smith visiting the packers

any one else know of any others players comeing to town?

CARDIAC CAT 7
02-29-2008, 02:05 PM
I think if hes going to trade up in the 1st its for Brandon Flowers, hes some teams #1 CB. His style of play fits perfect with our scheme. DRC is overshadowing Flowers now because he is having great postseason showcases, I hope Flowers keep flying under the radar so we dont have to trade up to far to get him, maybe we wont have to trade up at all. Then we can trade our 2 second round picks to the top of the second to get a more well rounded DE. Maybe some like Quentin Groves, another DE would allow GB to move Kampman around to take advantage of teams worst OT, and allow Cullen Jenkins to play a little more inside to get rid of some pressure on Justin Harrell.

cuzifelt1ikeit
02-29-2008, 02:14 PM
i dont mind us not upgrading grants contract that much.. what if hes a one year wonder? that could also be what we are waiting out for, with out second second i hope we trade up in the first and nab drc.. ive wanted him since first reading about him when he was going in later rounds in everyones mocks

mqtirishfan
02-29-2008, 02:31 PM
It could be that he's trying to open up the option of taking a safety in the first round. Well, at least it makes sense to me. Who really knows his plan for the draft? All I know is he has a good track-record.

TitleTown088
02-29-2008, 02:40 PM
i have a feeling that the player he loves is DRC. Or atleast i hope it is. hahah. The kid looks really good. He is my hope for our pick. Who knows maybe Mcfadden?? LOL 2 seconds and a first.

Let me get this straight,you want to give up three top 60 Ted Thompson draft picks for one first round pick? Ick. I just can't see every Packer fans fascination with this trading up business. IF he made any moves with those two second I'd prefer trading back with one.

roidrunner
02-29-2008, 02:57 PM
i was just throwing it out there. i would prefer that we didnt. as i said DRC is my first choice.

Nitschke-Hawk
02-29-2008, 03:24 PM
http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/2008/02/29/packers-express-interest-in-lb-chillar.aspx

Packers interested in SLB Brandon Chillar

PackerLegend
02-29-2008, 04:43 PM
packerchatters.com

The Packers will have Detroit DE Cory Smith in for a visit. He is a special teams demon and a player that plays with high energy and intensity.

The Packers are trying to get TE Algie Crumpler in for a visit sometime this week. He will meet with the Seahawks this weekend, but he isn't expected to sign a deal until he visits all the teams that are interested in him.

The Packers have some interest in QB's Cleo Lemon and Quinn Gray.

The Packers have some interest in FB Lorenzo Neal.

Some players to keep an eye on because the Packers are "interested" in are TE's Ben Troupe, Bryan Fletcher and Ben Utecht.

The packers are attempting to bring in All Pro special teamer and former Bears LB Brendon Ayanbadejo in the very near future.

Madieu Williams is on the Packers short list of S to try and bring in for a visit.

Finally, in the past years the Packers (and Ted Thompson) have not been as active as most teams, but that wasn't because of lack of effort. The Packers weren't looked upon as a "hot spot" because of their poor record. A lot of players turned down visits because they didn't think the Packers were going to be any good. But with the Packers going 13-3 and playing for the NFC title and with Mike McCarthy looked upon as one of the young, top tier heads coaches, the Packers are a team more players want to go to, the problem is, the FA class is not that deep (or very good) according to a lot of NFL personnel people.

GB12
02-29-2008, 04:58 PM
packerchatters.com

The Packers will have Detroit DE Cory Smith in for a visit. He is a special teams demon and a player that plays with high energy and intensity.

The Packers are trying to get TE Algie Crumpler in for a visit sometime this week. He will meet with the Seahawks this weekend, but he isn't expected to sign a deal until he visits all the teams that are interested in him.

The Packers have some interest in QB's Cleo Lemon and Quinn Gray.

The Packers have some interest in FB Lorenzo Neal.

Some players to keep an eye on because the Packers are "interested" in are TE's Ben Troupe, Bryan Fletcher and Ben Utecht.

The packers are attempting to bring in All Pro special teamer and former Bears LB Brendon Ayanbadejo in the very near future.

Madieu Williams is on the Packers short list of S to try and bring in for a visit.

Finally, in the past years the Packers (and Ted Thompson) have not been as active as most teams, but that wasn't because of lack of effort. The Packers weren't looked upon as a "hot spot" because of their poor record. A lot of players turned down visits because they didn't think the Packers were going to be any good. But with the Packers going 13-3 and playing for the NFC title and with Mike McCarthy looked upon as one of the young, top tier heads coaches, the Packers are a team more players want to go to, the problem is, the FA class is not that deep (or very good) according to a lot of NFL personnel people.
Ugh, please do not post anything from packerchatters. Terrible website. The Corey Smith rumor is true, we're bringing him in for a visit. The Crumpler rumor is completely false and he didn't even spell his name right. It's Alge not Algie. Cleo Lemon already signed with Jaguars and there's no way we were ever considering him anyway. This guy is just pulling stuff out of his ass. We weren't going to pay $3 million a year for a 3rd string QB. We have zero interest in Neal. Korey Hall and John Kuhn are fine, probably even better than Neal at this point. I don't buy the TE rumors though they're the most believeable he's posted. Ayanbedejo has been talked about before but I doubt we'd have any interest in him. Madieu Williams has been signed by the Vikings already. That was a load of bull, he was just looking at our needs and picked out one of the best available FA safeties. I wouldn't take anything from the last part either. We stayed out of FA because there was no one worth bringing in last year, not because we weren't a "hotspot". Thompson didn't lose out on anyone because of our record.

GB12
02-29-2008, 07:51 PM
Broncos | Team interested in T. White
Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:04:59 -0800
Mike Klis, of the Denver Post (http://www.kffl.com/link/184), reports the Denver Broncos (http://www.kffl.com/team/15/nfl) are interested in free-agent LB Tracy White (http://www.kffl.com/player/7640/nfl) (Packers)
I hope we match the offer. I like White a lot.

TitleTown088
02-29-2008, 07:55 PM
I hope we match the offer. I like White a lot.
Yeah, I saw that earlier. Who knows? Perhaps teddy is letting White go to sign another Lb to replace him.

GB12
02-29-2008, 07:58 PM
Yeah, I saw that earlier. Who knows? Perhaps teddy is letting White go to sign another Lb to replace him.
I don't know why that would have anything to do with it. White is on the team for his special teams play.

bigboiajhawk
02-29-2008, 08:26 PM
I really think the packers, if they are not going to trade up in the first, should definetly trade up in the second. I would like to see them have a high second round pick, because that is where a lot of the LB's will be going and we are thin there or possibly pick up a corner if they dont in the first. Then with the low 2nd pick up a TE. I think the packers are set at the oline, unless they decide to draft a tackle. So i think on day one, the packers will draft cb, lb, and te. I would hope that is what we do. For CB-i would like one of the better guys-talib, drc, flowers, or cason at lb- Dan Connor, Erin Henderson, Jerod Mayo, possibly even Shawne Crable, Phillip Wheeler, or Tavares Gooden- I think all of these guys will be drafted in the second round. at te-fred davis, dustin keller, martellus bennett, and jermichael finley

GB12
03-01-2008, 12:24 AM
http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/2008/02/29/packers-express-interest-in-lb-chillar.aspx

Packers interested in SLB Brandon Chillar
I have a feeling I might be on my own for this one, but I'd love to bring him in. He is similar to Poppinga in quite a few ways, but I like his upside. He's a little better in run support than Brady because he takes better angles and is a bit faster, but Poppinga's pretty good in this area himself. Chillar hasn't been too great when it comes to covering the TE either so that might turn some of you off of him, but he has the tools to become good at it. At the very least he'd provide some real competition for the spot instead of Poppinga just holding off special teamers. If we're going to sign someone noteworthy this offseason he's a prime candidate. I'm surprised the Rams aren't keeping him.

bearsfan_51
03-01-2008, 12:26 AM
I like Brandon Chillar as well. Immediate upgrade over Poppinga IMO.

The Legend
03-01-2008, 12:30 AM
I have a feeling I might be on my own for this one, but I'd love to bring him in. He is similar to Poppinga in quite a few ways, but I like his upside. He's a little better in run support than Brady because he takes better angles and is a bit faster, but Poppinga's pretty good in this area himself. Chillar hasn't been too great when it comes to covering the TE either so that might turn some of you off of him, but he has the tools to become good at it. At the very least he'd provide some real competition for the spot instead of Poppinga just holding off special teamers. If we're going to sign someone noteworthy this offseason he's a prime candidate. I'm surprised the Rams aren't keeping him.


i feel he might be one of our only picks lol

bearsfan_51
03-01-2008, 01:10 AM
I don't know if any of you saw this, but there's a rumor that the Packers are in talks with the Dolphins to trade their 2nd and 4th round picks for Jason Taylor.

Could be total BS but I've got to admit, I would give much more credence to the Packers Superbowl chances if they get Taylor and Favre comes back.

Taylor and Kampman? Yikes.

GB12
03-01-2008, 01:28 AM
I don't know if any of you saw this, but there's a rumor that the Packers are in talks with the Dolphins to trade their 2nd and 4th round picks for Jason Taylor.

Could be total BS but I've got to admit, I would give much more credence to the Packers Superbowl chances if they get Taylor and Favre comes back.

Taylor and Kampman? Yikes.
I've been adament about or DE position being fine and there isn't any need to upgrade, but getting Jason Taylor would be pretty awesome. That said I don't think that's going to happen. For starters trading away a second and fourth for a 33 year old does not seem like a Thompson move. Second we have KGB who is still pulling in the third highest salary on the team. Jason Taylor would remove the need for KGB's pass rush thus making him a $7 million bench warmer. Unlike Franks who ended up costing us just 1 million against the cap, I don't believe KGB's contract is as cap friendly. Instead of cutting him you'd think we'd try to put him in the deal. Miami could try him as an edge rusher eventhough I don't think he'd be too successful standing up. It should at least lower it to our second rounder instead of Cleveland's. Lastly DE isn't a need. There's no doubt Taylor would upgrade that position, but if Thompson feels the combo of Jenkins and KGB is good enough he'd rather keep the picks to draft in an area of need such as a corner or TE.

The Legend
03-01-2008, 01:39 AM
Fox Sports Says Packers Want Former PatriotRoseveltColvin
http://msn.foxsports.com/rumors/nfl

wondering how you guys fell about trading our later 2nd round pick for Lito Sheppard

one week away, from when Brett Favre tells us if he comes back or not
http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080228/PKR01/80228187/1989

bearsfan_51
03-01-2008, 01:41 AM
Dude...Jason Taylor would help your secondary so much more than any cornerback you're going to get with a 2nd round pick.

Don't get me wrong, I really hope TT shares that opinion, but I think it's a no-brainer if the deal is real.

GB12
03-01-2008, 01:44 AM
Dude...Jason Taylor would help your secondary so much more than any cornerback you're going to get with a 2nd round pick.

Don't get me wrong, I really hope TT shares that opinion, but I think it's a no-brainer if the deal is real.
I'd be thrilled if it's true, I just have a hard time believing it.

GB12
03-01-2008, 01:47 AM
Fox Sports Says Packers Want Former PatriotRoseveltColvin
http://msn.foxsports.com/rumors/nfl

wondering how you guys fell about trading our later 2nd round pick for Lito Sheppard

one week away, from when Brett Favre tells us if he comes back or not
http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080228/PKR01/80228187/1989
I think the Eagles are going to look for a little more than that in return. There's no way it'd work though. Sheppard wouldn't accept going from 2 time pro bowler to backup until Harris is done, understandably so.

The Legend
03-01-2008, 02:00 AM
I think the Eagles are going to look for a little more than that in return. There's no way it'd work though. Sheppard wouldn't accept going from 2 time pro bowler to backup until Harris is done, understandably so.


well i guess i like the idea of Woodson going 2 safety

GB12
03-01-2008, 02:03 AM
well i guess i like the idea of Woodson going 2 safety
No way. He had a great year at CB last year, there's absolutely no reason to move him. We have the draft to fill the nickelback position.

The Legend
03-01-2008, 02:08 AM
just wondering is anyone else worried that if we trade for Jason Taylor
he only plays one year then retires? that would really suck, 2nd & 4th for one year

Yatta!
03-01-2008, 06:16 AM
Some guy just posted in the NFL forum that we could potentially trade a 2nd & a 4th for Jason Taylor or DeAngelo Hall. I would rather pick up a CB or maybe two in the draft than trade for Hall or Shepherd as they are unlikely to want to play Nickel, although they are undoubtedly quality players. However, getting Taylor might just push us over the edge a la Reggie White perhaps...

The Legend
03-01-2008, 08:31 AM
there is no way in the world the falcons will trade D-HALL for 2nd&4th not happeing

jason taylor better chance.

Meta4
03-01-2008, 10:51 AM
I believe Jason Taylor would be the piece that takes our D from good to elite. Imagine having two ends that can get to the quarterback at will. No more double teams on kampman and you could imagine how much this addition would help our secondary. I welcome it if true.

RyanBraun8
03-01-2008, 12:14 PM
That would be awesome and then we could move Jenkins back inside and make up for the lose of williams, that could be a nasty d-line! Wish we'd get Briggs! That LB core would be insane!

Meta4
03-01-2008, 12:50 PM
I would love to get Briggs if the price were right. Everyone keeps saying hes a "cover 2" linebacker. Lance Briggs is a BEAST! I think hes gonna be a impact LB for years to come.

The Legend
03-01-2008, 01:10 PM
I would love to get Briggs if the price were right. Everyone keeps saying hes a "cover 2" linebacker. Lance Briggs is a BEAST! I think hes gonna be a impact LB for years to come.

Barnett - 6yrs | 35 Million
Hawk - 6yrs | 38 Million

Briggs already said he wants to be the highest paid linebacker 7yrs | 55 Million

thats to much money put to one postion just dont see it happening

GB12
03-01-2008, 01:20 PM
I would love to get Briggs if the price were right. Everyone keeps saying hes a "cover 2" linebacker. Lance Briggs is a BEAST! I think hes gonna be a impact LB for years to come.
No one's saying he's just a cover 2 linebacker. In fact many people think he could play all 3 positions in a 4-3 and both inside positions in a 3-4. The problem is that he's going to want around $8 million a year which is way too much to pay for a guy that's only going to be on the field for two downs.

TitleTown088
03-01-2008, 01:35 PM
Barnett - 6yrs | 35 Million
Hawk - 6yrs | 38 Million

Briggs already said he wants to be the highest paid linebacker 7yrs | 55 Million

thats to much money put to one postion just dont see it happening Ted Thompson has said repeatedly he dosen't care about spending too much money at one position. And we all know the ex-LB is in love with his LBs. However, the reason he's not going to get Briggs is because Briggs is a Will, not a Sam. And that is alot of freaking money to pay a Sam.

Also, that Taylor trade is utter BS. It game from some site called like PackerTV or something. Perhaps it would be a good trade if Taylor weren't a AARP member.

neko4
03-01-2008, 02:24 PM
Players I really want us to target:
Lito Sheppard- Despite injuries hes better than any CB we have after Woodson and Harris, and is still very young.
DeAngelo Hall- Despite his attitude he like Lito is an instant improvement and brings youth.
Randy Moss- We have a great WR core, but Moss is more incentive for Favre to come back

TitleTown088
03-01-2008, 02:50 PM
Randy Moss- We have a great WR core, but Moss is more incentive for Favre to come back

Let the specualtion swirl... http://www.nfl.com/freeagency/story?id=09000d5d806f8d4f&template=without-video&confirm=true

GB12
03-01-2008, 02:52 PM
And move Driver or Jenning to #3? Yeah, that's not going to happen.

TitleTown088
03-01-2008, 03:05 PM
I in no way have ever been a Moss advocate. But Jennings,Driver, Moss, Jones, and Robinson would be literally unstoppable. The thing is, Gb has the money to do it too.

princefielder28
03-01-2008, 03:46 PM
Let the specualtion swirl... http://www.nfl.com/freeagency/story?id=09000d5d806f8d4f&template=without-video&confirm=true

That would make the offense frickin scary!

johbur
03-01-2008, 03:58 PM
Players I really want us to target:
Lito Sheppard- Despite injuries hes better than any CB we have after Woodson and Harris, and is still very young.
DeAngelo Hall- Despite his attitude he like Lito is an instant improvement and brings youth.
Randy Moss- We have a great WR core, but Moss is more incentive for Favre to come back

Maybe Lito Sheppard. I have no interest in Hall and as good as Moss could potentially be, I like the WRs we have and we don't have to break the bank.

I'd rather ID some mid-range guys, maybe Colvin if he's medically cleared, or just stay away from this crop of FAs. Acquiring Taylor would be interesting.

I think the internal improvement will continue and that the Packers do not need to go out of their way on the FA market.

GB12
03-01-2008, 03:59 PM
Sign Moss, trade a second and 4th for Jason Taylor, sign Lance Briggs, trade our first, other second, and 5th to move up and take Mike Jenkins, and take a TE in the third and you have the best team of all time.



It's cool to think about, but don't get your hopes up for any big moves.

neko4
03-01-2008, 03:59 PM
And move Driver or Jenning to #3? Yeah, that's not going to happen.
We could just go 3WR set all game
Comparing them to NE:
Driver is a bigger more experienced Welker and Jennings is better than Stallworth

Let the specualtion swirl... http://www.nfl.com/freeagency/story?id=09000d5d806f8d4f&template=without-video&confirm=true
Yeah i saw that too

GB12
03-01-2008, 04:04 PM
Corey Williams taking a shot at us.

"I wanted out of Green Bay and Im glad Cleveland called me," Williams said, with his new coach, Romeo Crennel, flanking him. "I feel like I am wanted here. It feels like home to me and Ive only been here one day. I already feel like I got the love that I have been looking for. Im happy and excited about it."
When a reporter asked why Williams sought exile from Green Bay, Williams declined to give any specific reasons.
Theres a bunch of different reasons and I dont care to talk about it right now," Williams said. "I just wanted out.

neko4
03-01-2008, 04:06 PM
I think he's pissed that Jolly took time from him, or maybe that Green Bay is so small. Either way this is a distatsteful thing for him to say

mqtirishfan
03-01-2008, 04:07 PM
Corey Williams taking a shot at us.

I can't help but think he was a little upset at getting franchised after how he has performed over the past two seasons.

Goatboy1717
03-01-2008, 04:08 PM
Sign Moss, trade a second and 4th for Jason Taylor, sign Lance Briggs, trade our first, other second, and 5th to move up and take Mike Jenkins, and take a TE in the third and you have the best team of all time.



It's cool to think about, but don't get your hopes up for any big moves.

That would be a scary team. Its too bad that would never happen though.

mqtirishfan
03-01-2008, 04:09 PM
We could just go 3WR set all game
Comparing them to NE:
Driver is a bigger more experienced Welker and Jennings is better than Stallworth


I hope you meant Driver is better at playing WR than Welker by a longshot.

GB12
03-01-2008, 04:14 PM
I can't help but think he was a little upset at getting franchised after how he has performed over the past two seasons.
What was he expecting though. I think the trade worked out great for the Packers, Browns, and Corey Williams. I understand wanting a contract instead of being franchised, but he should be happy that we let him go to a situation where he could get big money on a successful team. He didn't need to take a shot at us like that especially after saying this not too long ago.

I've had a great ride here. If it comes to an end, one thing I can say when I leave here is that I had a great time. I felt like I was loved here, they cared about us, and hopefully wherever else I end up at, I hope I have the same feeling about them that I had about here in Green Bay."

neko4
03-01-2008, 04:15 PM
I hope you meant Driver is better at playing WR than Welker by a longshot.
pretty much. We just kind of use Welker in the same way. Short passes underneath. He's way more talented than Welker

mqtirishfan
03-01-2008, 04:17 PM
What was he expecting though. I think the trade worked out great for the Packers, Browns, and Corey Williams. I understand wanting a contract instead of being franchised, but he should be happy that we let him go to a situation where he could get big money on a successful team. He didn't need to take a shot at us like that especially after saying this not too long ago.

I've had a great ride here. If it comes to an end, one thing I can say when I leave here is that I had a great time. I felt like I was loved here, they cared about us, and hopefully wherever else I end up at, I hope I have the same feeling about them that I had about here in Green Bay."

Well, did he say that before or after being franchised? Because if a guy thinks he is worth the kind of money the Raiders paid Kelly, and the Packers stopped him from hitting the open market, I think he'd be a little bitter. Bitter enough to speak poorly about the management in GB.

TitleTown088
03-01-2008, 04:20 PM
Williams is such a two faced *****. He was just saying couple weeks ago he wanted to retire in GB.

bearsfan_51
03-01-2008, 04:24 PM
I'm sure he did for 25 million in bonuses. irish is correct. The Packers prevented Jenkins from likely getting another 6-7 million dollars because they wanted a 2nd round pick. It was a smart move by them, but it was cold-blooded and I don't blame him at all for being pissed. Also don't blame Briggs or any other franchised player for being pissed. That's the way it goes.

TitleTown088
03-01-2008, 04:25 PM
You mean Williams?

bearsfan_51
03-01-2008, 04:27 PM
Yeah that guy.

roidrunner
03-01-2008, 05:38 PM
Well i think it is good that we got rid of him then. if he did not want to be here. and we traded him, then i guess we did not want him here either.

Nitschke-Hawk
03-01-2008, 06:34 PM
He's just saying that cause he's being welcomed with a press conference, a starting role and a 38 million dollar deal. Of course he feels at home there. Play on a 1 year deal for 6 million or a 6 year deal for 38 million. He will still love it here, he's just loving where he's at right now a lot more.
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On the Moss subject:

Adam Schefter and and NFL Network are basically going all out talking this story up. Little has been said about Moss to any teams so far. If they got this one right they'd look like geniuses because ESPN is hardly even talking about it. As of right now I'm all for it, but I feel it's a story being talked up by Schefter and his people. But it does make sense. Acquiring Randy Moss would put us as clearly the favorite in the NFC. He would destroy the secondaries in the NFC North. We've got teams like Indy, Dallas, Jacksonville on our schedule next year so it will be a little tougher. I'd go so far as to the say we'd be the favorites for the Super Bowl.

roidrunner
03-01-2008, 06:34 PM
with rumors of shockey on the trade block. would you want the packers to trade for him???

princefielder28
03-01-2008, 06:36 PM
with rumors of shockey on the trade block. would you want the packers to trade for him???

no way....he's injury proned and a cancer in the locker room...a me first type player

roidrunner
03-01-2008, 06:38 PM
thats what i was thinking also. but so was randy moss till he went to NE.and i am aware of that he was only there a year. also it seems that the media in NY dont really like him too much. maybe going to a place where there is not so much media attention might do him some good.

princefielder28
03-01-2008, 06:47 PM
thats what i was thinking also. but so was randy moss till he went to NE.and i am aware of that he was only there a year. also it seems that the media in NY dont really like him too much. maybe going to a place where there is not so much media attention might do him some good.

Could be true but I'd rather take a risk on a guy who is the best at his position when healthy and motivated, Moss, instead of a guy who is above average when the same scenario is present and is still an annoyance, Jeremy.

roidrunner
03-01-2008, 06:50 PM
i agree. so where do you think he will end up, if he ends up getting moved of course.

princefielder28
03-01-2008, 06:53 PM
i agree. so where do you think he will end up, if he ends up getting moved of course.

The Saints seem like the mostly likely suitors but I could see a team like Seattle jumping in there

roidrunner
03-01-2008, 06:54 PM
i could honestly see the queens jump in. they need a safety valve for their QB

neko4
03-01-2008, 06:56 PM
have we even resigned anyone yet?
more specifically colin cole. I think he is essential to keep now that corey is gone

princefielder28
03-01-2008, 06:57 PM
i could honestly see the queens jump in. they need a safety valve for their QB

yeah you never know with them....they've spent quite a bit already in free agency and they don't seem to like to move draft picks easily. If they were to trade their picks I would suggest going after a capable QB.

roidrunner
03-01-2008, 06:59 PM
from what i see we have not resigned anyone.

maybe the queens will go into the draft looking for another QB.

neko4
03-01-2008, 07:02 PM
from what i see we have not resigned anyone.

maybe the queens will go into the draft looking for another QB.
i hope they draft a QB in the first, that way they dont get a stud DE, or WR or something like that. Its less likely that a rookie QB has an impact than a DE

roidrunner
03-01-2008, 07:04 PM
i think they would give a strong look at brohm. as much as the draft experts say brohm is falling i find that hard to believe. but i could also see woodson to the queens.

EvilMonkey
03-01-2008, 07:53 PM
well, thread in the NFL board has a link to the story. Looks the Dolphins are "officially" trying to trade Taylor, so I guess I have to take the rumors more seriously now.

I think a 2nd and 4th would be too much to give up for a 34 year old DE whose focus right now is ballroom dancing, but if we could get him for a 3rd and 4th I'd jump on it. 2nd and 4th is still a little too steep for me right now.

EvilMonkey
03-01-2008, 07:56 PM
also, couple stories here on the Williams trade.
http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/default.aspx

Looks like he was very upset at getting franchised and really wanted out. I loved the trade before but finding out that we got a 2nd rounder for an upset player at possibly our deepest position makes me even happier

roidrunner
03-01-2008, 07:56 PM
from ROTOWORLD

Yahoo! Sports reports that Jason Taylor and the Dolphins have "decided to part ways" this offseason.
Taylor has left the Miami area to prepare for Dancing with the Stars, and both sides have agreed to a trade is for the best. There were rumors about Green Bay's interest Saturday, although that has proven premature. Miami can probably pick up a couple of solid draft picks for Taylor, 33.

neko4
03-01-2008, 08:07 PM
also, couple stories here on the Williams trade.
http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/default.aspx

Looks like he was very upset at getting franchised and really wanted out. I loved the trade before but finding out that we got a 2nd rounder for an upset player at possibly our deepest position makes me even happier
i can see why he wanted out. I guess the tag really does piss guys off. Also come on TT, reel in Taylor and Moss and then draft DRC and get Favre to come back. Make my offseason dream come true

I think a 2nd and 2nd in 09 would be good to get taylor. looking at the guy, he maybe 33, but he looks 28

roidrunner
03-01-2008, 08:09 PM
i would cry for joy if that all happened

EvilMonkey
03-01-2008, 08:12 PM
i can see why he wanted out. I guess the tag really does piss guys off. Also come on TT, reel in Taylor and Moss and then draft DRC and get Favre to come back. Make my offseason dream come true

I think a 2nd and 2nd in 09 would be good to get taylor. looking at the guy, he maybe 33, but he looks 28

yeah the more i think of it the more i wouldnt mind it. I dont like giving up a 2nd for a guy as old as Taylor but he's shown no signs of slowing down and essentially we'd be trading Corey Williams and a 4th for Jason Taylor and I cant disagree with that.

neko4
03-01-2008, 08:13 PM
i would cry for joy if that all happened
ofcourse this is just a dream though. i wish someone would start a new forum mock w/ FA, this time of the year makes me wanna get involved

Twiddler
03-01-2008, 08:18 PM
What are the thoughts around here on a possible trade for Jason Taylor? I'm all for it given its the 2nd and 5th round picks like the rumor stated. It could possibly put us over the top.

roidrunner
03-01-2008, 08:20 PM
with our rotation at ends with the addition of Taylor. we would be so sick. At any time we could have Jenkins, KGB, Taylor and Kampman on the field. that is going to be awesome

neko4
03-01-2008, 08:22 PM
Taylor
Kampman
Jenkins
KGB
Pickett
Jolly
Cole
Harrell

Can you say legendary Dline?

EvilMonkey
03-01-2008, 08:22 PM
What are the thoughts around here on a possible trade for Jason Taylor? I'm all for it given its the 2nd and 5th round picks like the rumor stated. It could possibly put us over the top.

i was initially skeptical but it would greatly improve our d-line, allow Jenkins to play exclusively at DT, and couldnt hurt our chances of getting Favre back. Cant really argue with that...

EvilMonkey
03-01-2008, 08:24 PM
with our rotation at ends with the addition of Taylor. we would be so sick. At any time we could have Jenkins, KGB, Taylor and Kampman on the field. that is going to be awesome

yeah i dont like moving kampman inside on pass downs cuz i think he's better than KGB as a pass rusher and am not thrilled about that line against a draw but that probably would be our best collective pass rush and would be an unbelievable one at that.

roidrunner
03-01-2008, 08:25 PM
i so far have not heard anyone who has been against it. to add one of the better DE's in the league for practically a 4th round pick. now if we could only land moss we would be set for a Superbowl appearence

roidrunner
03-01-2008, 08:27 PM
i was just saying that at anytime we could have two of those four on the field at any time

neko4
03-01-2008, 08:27 PM
a better pass rush, means better CB play, better LB coverage and better S play too. just look at the Giants. That secondary is average without the great pass rush. A great pass rush disguises weaknesses in the secondary. And our secondary doesnt have that many weaknesses to begin with

roidrunner
03-01-2008, 08:28 PM
and throw in DRC in there for our back up. man our D would be so sick.

Twiddler
03-01-2008, 08:29 PM
and throw in DRC in there for our back up. man our D would be so sick.

Lets be realistic here, that would definitely require us to trade up. A lot. Although I don't mind dreaming about it every now and then.

roidrunner
03-01-2008, 08:30 PM
i was only dreaming. i wish he would fall to us. but i know that is highly unlikely. but at the same time no one thought brady quinn would fall as far as he did last year

neko4
03-01-2008, 08:34 PM
Alright so dream offseason:
A, trade CLE's pick and a 4th/5th to MIA for Taylor
B, trade 2nd and 1st to team with higher pick so we can get DRC
C, sign Randy Moss
D, trade down from 3rd to 4th and get another 4th

roidrunner
03-01-2008, 08:37 PM
i can live with that, but it is highly unlikely

Twiddler
03-01-2008, 08:38 PM
i was only dreaming. i wish he would fall to us. but i know that is highly unlikely. but at the same time no one thought brady quinn would fall as far as he did last year

Good to know. With Quinn, I think that might be a different kind of fall since I think it had more to do with a lack of teams needing QB's than his talent. CB's with his athleticism are hard to come by and they have more use with as many as 3 good corners coming in use on defense, compared to one QB.

PackerLegend
03-01-2008, 08:39 PM
I can feel something big is gonna happen atleast I hope so...... Guys keep bringing up Moss, Taylor, DRC getting me all excited !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope we get atleast one of them!

princefielder28
03-01-2008, 08:41 PM
I can feel something big is gonna happen atleast I hope so...... Guys keep bringing up Moss, Taylor, DRC getting me all excited !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope we get atleast one of them!

You forgot Favre comes back :)

GB12
03-01-2008, 08:41 PM
yeah i dont like moving kampman inside on pass downs cuz i think he's better than KGB as a pass rusher and am not thrilled about that line against a draw but that probably would be our best collective pass rush and would be an unbelievable one at that.
I think we might try and move KGB then. The need for pass rushers is definitely out there and there's no one on the FA market. Getting Taylor would allow us to move him because he'd be pretty much worthless to us then.

I really want this trade to happen. If it's a second and fourth like the rumors we have to do that. That sounds like a lot for a 34 year old and it is for most teams, but we have an extra second and he could put us over the top. The moves that the Vikings have been making, although I don't think they've been great moves, has me feeling a need to get someone.

GB12
03-01-2008, 08:49 PM
Actually getting all three of them on the field in a setup like this would bring a crazy good pass rush

...Hawk.....Barnett....Taylor
KGB...Jenkins..Jolly...Kampman

Sending Taylor on a blitz. Blocking Taylor and Kampman from one side would be damn near impossible and if they did you have KGB coming from the left.

princefielder28
03-01-2008, 08:50 PM
Actually getting all three of them on the field in a setup like this would bring a crazy good pass rush

...Hawk.....Barnett....Taylor
KGB...Jenkins..Jolly...Kampman

Sending Taylor on a blitz. Blocking Taylor and Kampman from one side would be damn near impossible and if they did you have KGB coming from the left.

Tavaris, Rex/Kyle, Jon would all **** their pants

neko4
03-01-2008, 09:20 PM
Actually getting all three of them on the field in a setup like this would bring a crazy good pass rush

...Hawk.....Barnett....Taylor
KGB...Jenkins..Jolly...Kampman

Sending Taylor on a blitz. Blocking Taylor and Kampman from one side would be damn near impossible and if they did you have KGB coming from the left.
wouldnt pickett be in, since he is better against the run than Jolly, just incase

neko4
03-01-2008, 09:22 PM
I think we might try and move KGB then. The need for pass rushers is definitely out there and there's no one on the FA market. Getting Taylor would allow us to move him because he'd be pretty much worthless to us then.

I really want this trade to happen. If it's a second and fourth like the rumors we have to do that. That sounds like a lot for a 34 year old and it is for most teams, but we have an extra second and he could put us over the top. The moves that the Vikings have been making, although I don't think they've been great moves, has me feeling a need to get someone.
Like i said, he maybe 33-34, but he still has a great bod-bod. that didnt sound homosexual at all. I think like Favre 2 or 3 years ago he still has more years than people think. Plus he provides extra incentive for Favre to comeback

GB12
03-01-2008, 09:25 PM
wouldnt pickett be in, since he is better against the run than Jolly, just incase

Huh?......

roidrunner
03-01-2008, 09:29 PM
if we get one of them i will be happy. if we got two of them i would be excited. If we got all three then i would run into Lake Superior naked in January.

neko4
03-01-2008, 09:30 PM
Huh?......
dont worry about it, i just had a stupid thought
anyway, i hope TT gets really active in the FA/trading market. We have a young team already, trading some of this years draft picks and getting older players is a sacrifice I hope TT makes

roidrunner
03-01-2008, 09:35 PM
from ROTOWORLD:

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports that Randy Moss is "inching closer to the point of frustration" over the lack of contract progress with the Patriots.
We've seen this before, when Adam Vinatieri sat on the market, trying to convince teams he may not stay a Patriot. Other teams may be leery of being a pawn in negotiations, and only a few franchises have the cash and team to make sense. Philadelphia, Denver, Washington, and possibly Green Bay seem like the best fits to us. Dallas doesn't have the cap room.

Sounds like we have a chance. come on ted. you should be on the phone right now. get this done. i will only accept that you are on the phone with the Dolphins, as the only excuse.

GB12
03-01-2008, 09:39 PM
I'd rather get Taylor than Moss.

neko4
03-01-2008, 09:40 PM
Plus getting moss back would make our 5WR set crazy good

Moss, Driver, Jennings, Jones, Martin or Robinson
Martin inside the 20 since he's taller.
God i cant stop dreaming. We havent heard any real rumors but we're already in dreamland. I did see an article about how TT was going to be more active this year

neko4
03-01-2008, 09:40 PM
I'd rather get Taylor than Moss.
either way, im happy, but Taylor would be a nicer pickup

roidrunner
03-01-2008, 09:40 PM
now that is a good question. who would we rather have Moss or Taylor? if we could only get one. I am in the middle of the road on this one. i really do not know which i would prefer to have.

roidrunner
03-01-2008, 09:42 PM
Plus getting moss back would make our 5WR set crazy good

Moss, Driver, Jennings, Jones, Martin or Robinson
Martin inside the 20 since he's taller.
God i cant stop dreaming. We havent heard any real rumors but we're already in dreamland. I did see an article about how TT was going to be more active this year

i think he could argue that he has been more active this year by trading williams. but i still would like to see at least one big time free agent signing. similar to the woodson deal.

jackalope
03-01-2008, 09:43 PM
Last year I was against getting Moss, and I still am now. I don't care how much talent the guy has, I just don't like him.

roidrunner
03-01-2008, 09:45 PM
so that means your for taylor then??

GB12
03-01-2008, 09:45 PM
Bernard Berrian got a 7 year $42 million contract, Moss is going to want probably like a 5 year $50 million contract if he leaves New England.

neko4
03-01-2008, 09:47 PM
Last year I was against getting Moss, and I still am now. I don't care how much talent the guy has, I just don't like him.
http://www.nerdsonsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/moss_moon.jpg
And i can understand,but I think moss has a great deal of respect for Favre
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mZWZANBFyX0&feature=related

roidrunner
03-01-2008, 09:47 PM
i dont think he is the type to take another 1 year deal. i say a three year 30 million year deal sounds about right. either way they are going to have to pay big bucks to keep him. but with moss getting frustrated it seems more and more likely that he will be somewhere else. cause when moss gets mad he just quits. Minnesota and Oakland for example.

jackalope
03-01-2008, 09:48 PM
so that means your for taylor then??

Yeah, I'd be happy with the Taylor trade, although I'm not as excited about it as others.

roidrunner
03-01-2008, 09:49 PM
what trade are you excited for cause this is the only one i have really heard about?

GB12
03-01-2008, 09:50 PM
I'd only want Moss for as long as we have Favre. If we could sign him to a one year deal that'd be fantastic. 1 year $12 million.

jackalope
03-01-2008, 09:50 PM
what trade are you excited for cause this is the only one i have really heard about?

I meant that I'm not as excited about the trade as other people are.

roidrunner
03-01-2008, 09:51 PM
could you imagine moss, driver, jennings, and jones in a four wide. OMG i think i would bust a nut if i saw that.

neko4
03-01-2008, 09:52 PM
I'd only want Moss for as long as we have Favre. If we could sign him to a one year deal that'd be fantastic. 1 year $12 million.
he'd probably want more money if in a 1yr deal
i know he wants a longer deal

roidrunner
03-01-2008, 09:52 PM
id be willing to throw 15 million for one year.

Nitschke-Hawk
03-01-2008, 11:18 PM
Well we always give money up front so assuming his production dropped off due to age:

4 years $40 million. $18 million guaranteed. 2008: $12 million, 2009: $11 million, 2010: $10 million, 2011: $7 million. Base salary of $5.5 million.

Hey Randy, whaddya think?

Wow I could even sign players

neko4
03-02-2008, 12:28 AM
A little article with some FA info at the bottom
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AryBKiGUL8s178StwL4cSYWG2bYF?slug=sports xchange-teamreports-2008-nfl-gnb&prov=sportsxchange&type=team_report

roidrunner
03-02-2008, 01:49 AM
so basically all it said was that we are going to go after a backup QB. and maybe a LB

TitleTown088
03-02-2008, 04:48 AM
could you imagine moss, driver, jennings, and jones in a four wide. OMG i think i would bust a nut if i saw that.

I hate Moss, but i think I just bust one thinking about it.

Meta4
03-02-2008, 07:01 AM
Here we go again.....We all know TT is not gonna go out and pay moss a ridiculous amount of money when we really dont need him. Our offense finished second in the NFL last year. Jennings has turned into a big time playmaker and lets not forget about driver. James Jones has shown flashes and should get better with another off season to prepare. Ruvell and Koren are excellent backups. If anything I think we should go after Jason Taylor. He would put our D over the top. Dont get me wrong if we got moss our offense would be just as dominant as the pats were this year. But we have to be realistic here, If TT didnt like him last year what makes you think he would take him this year? Sure he had a great season but that wasnt the problem TT had with moss. We all know he can play but will he fit in with the team chemistry is the question. We have a great group of guys right now and I really dont think TT would jeprodize that in any way. Our Problem isnt on Offense. We need to solidify the D and I really think Jason Taylor could be that missing piece.

Yatta!
03-02-2008, 10:27 AM
Bill Parcells has said that Jason Taylor will not be leaving Miami, barring retirement. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3273442

If I were TT, I would still make an offer though, you never know what might happen and I think that Taylor would make our defense scary.

umphrey
03-02-2008, 10:27 AM
No one's expecting Moss but everyone wants him because the last team that picked him up won 18 games in a row. He'd fit in our offense even better than New England's: Favre has as good or better a deep ball than Brady, Driver is way better than Stallworth and Jennings is like Wes Welker but way better.


http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18909

That is hard to read...The Corey Williams trade was a steal. Marcus Stroud and Rogers didn't get that high of a pick. We traded away a guy that didn't want to play in GB from our deepest position, and we weren't gonna give him a contract anyway. He didn't even fit what we wanted out of a DT.

roidrunner
03-02-2008, 11:07 AM
as more and more D line trades happen. the Williams trade keeps looking better and better

Meta4
03-02-2008, 11:13 AM
No one's expecting Moss but everyone wants him because the last team that picked him up won 18 games in a row. He'd fit in our offense even better than New England's: Favre has as good or better a deep ball than Brady, Driver is way better than Stallworth and Jennings is like Wes Welker but way better.


http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18909

That is hard to read...The Corey Williams trade was a steal. Marcus Stroud and Rogers didn't get that high of a pick. We traded away a guy that didn't want to play in GB from our deepest position, and we weren't gonna give him a contract anyway. He didn't even fit what we wanted out of a DT.

The only problem with 18 in a row is...They didnt make it 19. If you dont win the super bowl then that season really doesnt matter. I'll take a 10-6 record with a super bowl win anyday over a 18-0 record.

By the way that is very hard to read. Pointless if you ask me. In all reality we got a great deal on a player thats not even a full time starter. Dont get me wrong I really liked Corey but I would take that deal anyday.

roidrunner
03-02-2008, 11:14 AM
i think we would be stupid not to take the deal

umphrey
03-02-2008, 11:37 AM
I don't think it makes sense to knock Randy because NE lost the superbowl. My point was that they signed him as a free agent and instantly had one of the best offenses ever.

roidrunner
03-02-2008, 11:39 AM
im for taking Randy if it is a reasonable deal. I really dont want to get screwed by a long term deal that is back loaded

Twiddler
03-02-2008, 11:46 AM
im for taking Randy if it is a reasonable deal. I really dont want to get screwed by a long term deal that is back loaded

I think if we would end up signing Randy it would be reasonable anyways. TT isn't going to shell out more money than necessary to bring in a FA even if it is Randy Moss. Granted, it would take a lot of money to get him to sign, but I'm talking about paying much more than what he is worth, which TT won't do.

roidrunner
03-02-2008, 01:51 PM
so it is not a total pipe drea, from Rotoworld:

NFL.com's Adam Schefter speculates that the Packers might pursue free agent Randy Moss as a way of getting Brett Favre to put off retirement.
During Super Bowl week, Moss called out the Packers for pursuing him disrespectfully last offseason, so he'd have some fence mending to do if he signs with Green Bay. However, this would be a move that Favre certainly would support. It's definitely worth a shot for the Packers.

Meta4
03-02-2008, 03:35 PM
I don't think it makes sense to knock Randy because NE lost the superbowl. My point was that they signed him as a free agent and instantly had one of the best offenses ever.

Im not bashing Moss at all. Hes a hell of a talent. All im saying is if TT didnt want him last year why would he possibly want him this year. His skill was never in question. Its the dynamics of the locker room that he was worried about. Hell if Ted wants to get randy more power to him. I cant say that I would be upset.

roidrunner
03-02-2008, 03:59 PM
I think we will go for him. Right now it seems that the packers #1 priority is to get brett back. or at least that is what i get out of the situation. so what would be better to bring him back than getting Randy moss in GB. The biggest target in the game.

Goatboy1717
03-02-2008, 06:08 PM
According to Adam Schefter, Randy Moss and the Patriots are close to a deal so it looks like we probably wont get him.

neko4
03-02-2008, 06:11 PM
dang, and Taylor is probably staying in Miami

Goatboy1717
03-02-2008, 06:22 PM
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/rams/story/E5DBD5E08F885A3786257400001507BE?OpenDocument

Meanwhile, it looks as if the Rams are about to lose strongside linebacker Brandon Chillar in free agency. According to league sources, Chillar is scheduled to visit Arizona on Monday, and the Cardinals are expected to make a strong bid to sign him on the spot.


If he somehow gets out of Arizona without a contract, Green Bay wants him to visit. Chillar has been a starter the past two years in St. Louis, registering a career-high 85 tackles in 2007.

There could be another free agent target out of reach.

The Legend
03-02-2008, 06:32 PM
so no Moss no Taylor, seems like we wont be getting any big names

Packers Free Agent

Detroit DE Cory Smith
Bears LB Brendon Ayanbadejo
Rams LB Brandon Chillar

would be nice picks ups

neko4
03-02-2008, 06:35 PM
Jake Scott the OG from Indy would be nice
Maybe Ty Law, he is a good short term plan

PackerLegend
03-02-2008, 06:37 PM
Corey Smith isnt supposed to vist until Tuesday and theres a unnamed team he is visiting tomorrow. I think its going to be another quiet offseason but we really dont have alot of needs we need to address. We would probably just be better getting guys in the draft.

neko4
03-02-2008, 06:39 PM
yes, but right now Minny is making so many moves and their so close to us it feels

princefielder28
03-02-2008, 06:41 PM
yes, but right now Minny is making so many moves and their so close to us it feels

Tavaris Jackson is still their QB and that'll be the main factor keeping the Packers ahead of the Vikes