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umphrey
05-22-2008, 12:29 AM
Barbe over Colledge would be a large upgrade for the running game and probably a downgrade for passing protection, IMO

Any mention if he's being looked at for the left or right side?

Goatboy1717
05-22-2008, 01:47 AM
They are actually supposed to split reps. Colledge was with the first team yesterday and Barbre was with the first team today. They were on the left side.

http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/2008/05/21/barbre-and-colledge-will-split-reps.aspx

Yatta!
05-22-2008, 03:58 AM
Who do you guys think will end up as the starting guards?

I'd probably go for Colledge and Coston atm but the competition seems to be wide open.

FLORIDA PACKER
05-22-2008, 11:59 AM
I think Jason Spitz is unheralded and I think he's our Best Interior Linemen, He's not flashy but he gets the job done, blows very few assignments and just has that offensive linemen mindset, got a bit of mean streak in em too.

I think it'll be Colledge and Spitz again to start the year.

umphrey
05-22-2008, 12:19 PM
Who do you guys think will end up as the starting guards?

I'd probably go for Colledge and Coston atm but the competition seems to be wide open.

Coston is getting more looks at center. I think Spitz is in there for sure, and it's either Barbe or Colledge, and Barbe starts 10 games to Colledge's 6.

princefielder28
05-22-2008, 01:39 PM
Who do you guys think will end up as the starting guards?

I'd probably go for Colledge and Coston atm but the competition seems to be wide open.

I think Barbre is gonna work his way into a spot

GB12
05-22-2008, 03:31 PM
Coston is getting more looks at center. I think Spitz is in there for sure, and it's either Barbe or Colledge, and Barbe starts 10 games to Colledge's 6.
That's just because the coaches want all the lineman to be versital. Wells will be our center for a long time. Coston's still fighting for a starting spot at guard, this is just something happening on the side. I'd say that Spitz has a firm hold on one of the spots, I'd be surprised if he doesn't start opening day. The other one is a toss up right now. I don't think anyone would be confident in naming a clear cut leader on the left. Colledge, Coston, and Barbre will get a shot and it'll be something to keep an eye on in the preseason.

PackerLegend
05-22-2008, 04:25 PM
Rodgers
http://i.packers.com/pg/2008-05-21/photo11.jpg

Rodgers & DD
http://i.packers.com/pg/2008-05-21/photo39.jpg

B-Jack
http://i.packers.com/pg/2008-05-21/photo12.jpg

Chillar
http://i.packers.com/pg/2008-05-21/photo21.jpg

JORDYZZZZZZZZZZZ OMGZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
http://i.packers.com/pg/2008-05-21/photo7.jpg

Kregg Lumpkin
http://i.packers.com/pg/2008-05-21/photo20.jpg

Jermey Thompson
http://i.packers.com/pg/2008-05-21/photo26.jpg

Jermichael Finley
http://i.packers.com/pg/2008-05-21/photo27.jpg

Korey Hall
http://i.packers.com/pg/2008-05-21/photo30.jpg

JJ
http://i.packers.com/pg/2008-05-21/photo33.jpg

DDDDDDDDDDDDDDONALD "DUKE IN THE" DRIVER
http://i.packers.com/pg/2008-05-21/photo34.jpg

OMGZ JORDYZZZZZZZZ AGAIN
http://i.packers.com/pg/2008-05-21/photo38.jpg

SUPERBOWL!

http://www.packers.com/multimedia/photo_galleries/2008_nongame/2008-05-21/

princefielder28
05-22-2008, 05:19 PM
nice pictures

PackerLegend
05-22-2008, 06:45 PM
Rodgers on being called injury prone.



You seem to take real offense when people call you injury prone...


I think it does kind of bother me to say that. To me, when somebody says injury prone, it has a negative connotation to it and a lot of times people can say you're soft because of it. I mean, I had a broken foot and a torn hamstring. And the other thing is when people who have never played by position or even laced them up before are calling me injury prone. I have a little bit of a problem with that. For anybody to call anybody in the NFL injury-prone is not a great idea unless you've played that position or the game for a long time because otherwise you don't really know what it's like to be an NFL player.

I mean, yeah, you're following somebody that had 250-straight starts plus. Obviously that's the standard. If it's an injury because of something you haven't done in the off-season, some work that you can't done on your body, that's one thing. But the kind of work that I've put in, the kind of injuries I've had have kind of been fluke injuries. I'd say I'm one of the most flexible guys on the team. For me to pull a hamstring on the last play of practice is pretty ridiculous. I broke my foot and finished the game. Obviously I want to play all 16 games but things happen out there that you can't control. I just need to be smart as far as my decisions outside the pocket. The biggest problem I had was you calling me injury prone and I finished the game with a broken foot. How do you respond to that?

You had a torn hamstring? We weren't told that...
It was pretty bad. I begged coach to play in that Detroit game. I told him I was probably 85 percent.

GB12
05-22-2008, 07:43 PM
Why is Finley wearing a defensive jersey?

princefielder28
05-22-2008, 08:00 PM
Why is Finley wearing a defensive jersey?

that's a good question, good catch GB

PACKmanN
05-22-2008, 08:12 PM
Why is Finley wearing a defensive jersey?

He has 88, but I want to see him in 81.

Hawk
05-22-2008, 09:11 PM
Why is Finley wearing a defensive jersey?

Punt return maybe?

someone447
05-22-2008, 10:09 PM
Punt return maybe?

That is a punt team. You can see the LS directly to his right. Plus he is in a punt pro stance.

GB12
05-22-2008, 10:26 PM
Punt return maybe?

That is a punt team. You can see the LS directly to his right. Plus he is in a punt pro stance.
Yeah, that still doesn't explain the jersey though.

someone447
05-22-2008, 10:59 PM
Yeah, that still doesn't explain the jersey though.

Hmm, I thought all the guys in the picture were in green. Then I have no idea.

Zbikowski_9
05-22-2008, 11:09 PM
Rodgers is sporting a pretty sweet mullet.

PACKmanN
05-23-2008, 12:11 AM
Hold up, thats not Finely....First off, Finely has lighter skin, and here a video of his wearing a white jersey.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=dT_UE57e0Do

PackerLegend
05-23-2008, 01:19 AM
I dont know, its not a mistake by me because you can click on the link I provided at the bottom....It will take you to Packers.com and the picture says Finley.

Yatta!
05-23-2008, 08:26 AM
The Packers signed TE/WR Evan Moore. He originally signed with New Orleans as an UDFA but was cut last week.
http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/2008/05/22/packers-sign-te-moore.aspx

trkaline
05-23-2008, 08:33 AM
Fellas, I've never expressed my condolances on your loss of Lord Farve..One of the greatest to ever play and my personal favorite...Before my city finally got another team the Packer's were my team and are now my number two and I am saddened I'll never see number 4 line up behind center again...unless he was really serious that he might come back if anything happens to Rodgers...Would be amazing...

umphrey
05-23-2008, 11:52 AM
Moore's signing gives the Packers 79 players against the 80-man roster. That number does not include the nine draft picks and RB Ryan Grant (unsigned tender).

Sounds like we are planning for a Grant contract

GB12
05-23-2008, 03:12 PM
Sounds like we are planning for a Grant contract
Not really. I have read that we are working on it, but that quote has nothing to do with it. We could easily cut someone to make room for him like we will do when we sign the draft picks.

PACKmanN
05-23-2008, 03:13 PM
Not really. I have read that we are working on it, but that quote has nothing to do with it. We could easily cut someone to make room for him like we will do when we sign the draft picks.

They are meeting today, so anything could happen sometime this weekend.

AtariBigby
05-24-2008, 08:55 PM
Where is everyone?

roidrunner
05-24-2008, 09:10 PM
im right here where are you???? its just been a quite couple of weeks for the packers

jackalope
05-24-2008, 09:29 PM
Where is everyone?

I've been keeping up with the discussion, but there really isn't a whole lot going on right now.

Hawk
05-24-2008, 09:32 PM
Rodgers is sporting a pretty sweet mullet.

He's like Majik Man II

http://www.forkunion.com/graphics/nfl_donmajkowski.jpg

Goatboy1717
05-24-2008, 09:37 PM
He first felt the effects of patellar tendinitis in his knees late in his senior season at the University of Iowa in 2005. The pain persisted through his first season with the Green Bay Packers and was worse than ever by training camp last summer. He underwent surgery in early September.

Nearly nine months later, Hodge is pain-free and expects to be at full speed — for the first time in his NFL career — when he returns to the practice field.

"The last few years, I was putting out a product that wasn't myself," Hodge, a linebacker and former third-round draft pick, said this week. "I just had to (play through the injury) because I had to. But now, it's a different story."

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080524/PKR01/805240460/1058&referrer=NEWSFRONTCAROUSEL

Its now or never. I dont think the Packers will hold onto him for another year just waiting for him to be healthy.

GB12
05-24-2008, 09:58 PM
We really don't have much of a need for Hodge anymore. Chillar is able to fill in for all 3 LB positions if needed. It's too bad becuase I really liked him coming out of college, but with Barnett there wasn't a place for him anyway.

Yatta!
05-25-2008, 05:20 AM
I really liked Hodge coming out as well. I don't see the point in cutting him , he should be a solid backup along with Chillar and he could have an impact on special teams. I don't know what his contracts like though, but I can't imagine that we'd cut him for cap reasons.

AtariBigby
05-26-2008, 10:54 AM
Barnett
Hawk
Chillin
Poppinga
Bishop
Hodge

There's no way we keep 6 LBers.
Someone will be packing....... I'd sure like to get Glenn Dorsey for Hawk (our #5 pick for this year's #5 pick). Admit it.

Pacific
05-26-2008, 11:33 AM
I'd sure like to get Glenn Dorsey for Hawk (our #5 pick for this year's #5 pick). Admit it.

That's just ridiculous. No way they'd consider it and I don't think that would help us anyways. Hawk is a stud and the center of our defense along with Barnett.

umphrey
05-26-2008, 11:46 AM
We may keep 6. Who starts at WLB if Hawk gets hurt?

GB12
05-26-2008, 11:46 AM
We may keep 6. Who starts at WLB if Hawk gets hurt?
Chillar would.

FLORIDA PACKER
05-26-2008, 01:10 PM
Barnett
Hawk
Chillin
Poppinga
Bishop
Hodge

There's no way we keep 6 LBers.
Someone will be packing....... I'd sure like to get Glenn Dorsey for Hawk (our #5 pick for this year's #5 pick). Admit it.


Why? Harrell is a bigger and fits the D we run better IMO, Dorsey is more of a Penetrating get through the line type and if we wanted one of those we would have kept Corey Williams rather than chance a pick or trade on an unproven Rookie. Like mentioned before Our defense is primarily based upon BIG defensive tackles who can force double teams and cave the pocket in allowing the Linebackers to shoot the gaps and make a play, Dorsey while a great player who could fit in many schemes would probably not be the best fit for us (not saying he wouldnt be effective, just that he could fit in other schemes and places better).

Hawk Plays how one is supposed to play in our defense he doesn't free lance he plays to the scheme and listens to the coaches as opposed to someone like Lavar Arrington who constantly played on his own terms and out of the designed defense, while he made some big plays he was caught out of position ALOT which lead to his falling out with The Redskins and the eventual downfall of his career. If you asked me to pick between Hawk and Dorsey I take Hawk 100% of the time. He's a natural leader with his play and attitude and a true Packer Person.

umphrey
05-26-2008, 03:54 PM
I think he was joking but that is a trade neither side would even consider anyway.

FLORIDA PACKER
05-26-2008, 06:07 PM
I figured he didn't actually expect a trade like that to go down, I just wanted to know his reasoning behind such.

neko4
05-26-2008, 06:12 PM
I think we'll keep six

Chiller-Poppinga
Barnett-Hodge
Hawk-Bishop

FLORIDA PACKER
05-26-2008, 06:20 PM
If Hodge is healthy I have no doubt he makes the roster but thats a big if to this point, Bishop has a good shot too as he showed some pretty good skill when given the chance. We know for sure that Hawk, Barnett, Popps, and Chillar are intact, will They choose to hold onto 5 or 6? Tracey White is also in the mix thanks to his special teams abillity.

In the end I think it turns out like this

Barnett-Bishop
Hawk-White
Poppinga-Chillar(backs up all three spots)

neko4
05-26-2008, 06:22 PM
why wouldnt we keep 6? Have one backup for every starter. Maybe even 7 if White proves to be an okay backup.

GB12
05-26-2008, 07:23 PM
A couple things,

1. Bishop does not have good cover skills. I'm sure a lot of fans have that preseason hit still in their minds which makes them think that, but he's actually pretty poor in coverage. When it comes to playing linebacker he's nothing more than a last resort.

2. Keeping 6 LBs is not at all out of the question. In fact that's considered normal.

3. Tracy White's spot on the roster is guarenteed. He doesn't have to prove his worth as a linebacker, because we're never going to use him as a linebacker. He was given a two year $1.8 million contract to be our special teams stud.

AtariBigby
05-26-2008, 09:20 PM
I think he was joking but that is a trade neither side would even consider anyway.

Of course..... that's not even a possibility ever of a trade, and neither team would do it.
It was all in jest.

johbur
05-27-2008, 01:57 PM
Here’s a little tidbit for the next season. I was in Vegas over the weekend and stopped by a sportsbook to see what they had the odds at and to place my customary bet on the Packers winning the Super Bowl.

Here’s the odds from Fitzgerald’s on May 23:

Patriots 5/2
Colts 5/1
Cowboys 5/1
Chargers 5/1
Packers 6/1
Jaguars 8/1
Giants 10/1
Steelers 15/1
Seahawks 15/1
Saints 18/1
Broncos 18/1
Vikings 18/1
Browns 20/1
Bears 22/1
Buccaneers 25/1
Titans 25/1
Redskins 25/1
Eagles 30/1
Bengals 35/1
Cardinals 40/1
Texans 50/1
Bills 50/1
Panthers 50/1
Lions 50/1
Raiders 50/1
Ravens 50/1
Jets 60/1
Rams 60/1
49ers 60/1
Chiefs 75/1
Dolphins 100/1
Falcons 100/1

I’ll post this in the mock draft also and see if anyone wants to make a mock using this order instead of the finishing order from last year.

I think the Packers being the 5th most likely team to win the Super Bowl next year shows a lot of respect for the talent on the team beyond Favre. TT building the defense and bringing those young playmakers in bodes well for a good number of years for the Pack!

AtariBigby
05-27-2008, 08:01 PM
Good stuff.
Yes you could say it shows a lot of respect for the Packers.
Or a lot of respect for the betting power of the Packer Nation and they don't want to give us a longshot kinda payoff because they know there are a lot of Packer fans.

Nitschke-Hawk
05-28-2008, 12:31 AM
Kampman's hometown hit by a twister

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=755640

Yatta!
05-28-2008, 05:36 AM
I think those odds are very kind to us. I can't see us being at 6/1 and the Vikes at 18/1, I'll be very pleased with another Divisional title and trip to the playoffs this year.

Zbikowski_9
05-28-2008, 08:01 AM
He's like Majik Man II

http://www.forkunion.com/graphics/nfl_donmajkowski.jpg

That sure is impressive, even cropped around the sides.

IWith the LB situation i don't think there is realy anything wrong with carrying 6 if they are big contributers on special teams.

I watched Bishop play back in Cali a couple of times without knowing who he was, but he stuck out like a sore thumb, making plays - always around the ball (actualy reminded me of EJ Henderson). He seems to be a great special teams candidate.

We are going through the same problem with how many LBs to carry in Minni, but some are specialist special teamers so it makes it more viable to carry more.

Those Vagas odds were pretty nuts huh, wouldnt mind taking some fliers on a couple of the lower teams. Shows the Pack and Vikes arnt as close as i thought, well according to them anyway. I was also suprised how high Denver was, i am expecting them to have a downer and pick in the top 10.

AtariBigby
05-28-2008, 10:54 AM
yeah good call on Denver.
they're overrated every season.

they have weak WRs other than brandon marshall and shanahan is totally overrated and i think still hasn't won more than one playoff game without elway there (and i think it was over New England in the one time i wagered on NE)

umphrey
05-28-2008, 11:39 AM
Talks heat up with running back Grant

By Pete Dougherty
pdougher@greenbaypressgazette.com

Ryan Grant's contract talks hit a substantive stage late last week and left Grant's agent optimistic he and the Green Bay Packers can grind out a deal in the coming weeks.

Grant, the Packers' starting halfback, is in an unusual position in seeking a long-term deal, because though he's been out of college for three years, he's played only one season in the NFL and can't become an unrestricted free agent until 2011, when he'll be 28. But after almost single-handedly supplying the Packers with a respectable rushing game the second half of last season, Grant is looking for some financial security while in his prime.

His agent, Alan Herman, has said Grant won't sign the $370,000 minimum tender for a second-year pro. However, after a 1˝-hour conversation with Packers negotiator Russ Ball late last week, Herman said the team is open to a long-term deal, though it will require major compromises by both sides.

"The important issue is the club has indicated they're not big players in the free-agent market and they like to take care of their own," Herman said. "Ryan had truly an extraordinary year and it wasn't like he was a flash in the pan. He played 12 games, that's a lot of games, at the highest level. Clearly, they know what they have and that's why the opportunity to get something done and keep him there for a long time is kind of apparent."

Link (http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080528/PKR01/805280708/1058)

Hopefully get it done soon

The Legend
05-28-2008, 03:41 PM
3 Years 15 Million
7 Years 35 Million

Goatboy1717
05-28-2008, 04:29 PM
I really hope they get it done soon.

PACKmanN
05-28-2008, 04:32 PM
3 Years 15 Million
7 Years 35 Million

I wouldn't give him any of that.

I would go 3 years at 10 million and 3-4 million grantee.

PackerLegend
05-28-2008, 04:33 PM
3 Years 15 Million
7 Years 35 Million

Thats what you think Grant will get? I highly doubt that because although he had played 12 games and did pretty good thats alot of change for a player that may be a 1 year wonder like Samkon Gado.

neko4
05-28-2008, 04:38 PM
I'd like to thank Grant for not being an ass about this. Too often guys go to the media and complain about contracts. I dont many people outside the Green Bay world know about this

neko4
05-28-2008, 08:06 PM
Al HArris has a myspace: http://profile.myspace.com/232759452

PACKmanN
05-28-2008, 08:45 PM
Al HArris has a myspace: http://profile.myspace.com/232759452

damn I didn't know that Harris played 168 straight games.

Pack_Attack_4
05-28-2008, 08:56 PM
Al is the man

PackerLegend
05-28-2008, 09:47 PM
Will Blackmon is on Al's friend list for myspace but Blackmon's is private so I think he would need to add you as a friend. Anyways Will logged on yesterday!!!!!! OMGZZZZZZ

neko4
05-28-2008, 09:53 PM
Will Blackmon is on Al's friend list for myspace but Blackmon's is private so I think he would need to add you as a friend. Anyways Will logged on yesterday!!!!!! OMGZZZZZZ
He was probably counting his comments, for each comment he gets he will get a TD on a KR or PR

Packer_Backer
05-28-2008, 10:59 PM
It's a little slow right now news wise so I thought this my bring about discussion
http://sports.ign.com/articles/877/877251p1.html
Ign ranks one player from each team who they think will rise and fall in Madden 09. It looks good mostly, though I strongly disagree who they chose for the Pack. I think Jennings should be the big riser for us.

umphrey
05-28-2008, 11:07 PM
They overrated a lot of players on the list. Also what makes them think Orton and Kitna will improve so much? I'm not taking shots at our NFC-N rivals I'm just saying those aren't the players I would have picked at all.

Packer_Backer
05-28-2008, 11:13 PM
They overrated a lot of players on the list. Also what makes them think Orton and Kitna will improve so much? I'm not taking shots at our NFC-N rivals I'm just saying those aren't the players I would have picked at all.

Ya I noticed that too. I was trying to think what Orton actually did last year to boost him up? I came up with nothing.

Packer_Backer
05-28-2008, 11:15 PM
I just noticed Boller to. Really Kyle Boller improved so much they drafted another 1rd QB?

GB12
05-28-2008, 11:42 PM
That's a pretty awful list.
Antonio Cromartie to a 95 is way to far, along with Patrick Willis to a 97, Wes Welker to a 95, and Jon Beason to a 91 just to name a few. On the lower side the only major ones I see are that Shockey won't drop to sub-90 and I don't think Rudi Johnson will fall quite that much.

As for the Packers choices, simply put they are horrible. How they think Daryn Colledge will get an 88 is beyond me. He might not even be the starter. He didn't progress much at all, he should stay the same or maybe up one would be acceptable. I also don't like KGB as the negative choice. He is at the same level that he was playing at last year if not better. A decrease is inevitable because he is no longer the starter, but 6 is harsh.

PackerLegend
05-29-2008, 12:18 AM
That list is pretty bad in my opinion. They used the rosters that you got when you bought madden not the most recently updated ones. So they say A. Peterson 85to96 well he has already been updated and is 93 but I can still see him rise a little more. Alot of the players they say will rise already have been given a raise in the most recent rosters. Alot of players will still rise and fall though. They gave alot of the players way to drastic of changes like +15 and -13 that might happen with very few players like Lorenzo Neal he was 99 but if he doesn't find a team and because of him age he will get hit hard. What was stupid with Madden is Aaron Rodgers was rated 80 when 1st drafted he didnt get to play and the season after he was 79, its only a point but he dropped because he was behind Favre?

Hawk
05-29-2008, 12:36 AM
I think this is Ryan Grant
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=32575090

It's asks for his last name when you try to add him as a friend, i put Grant and it worked.

The Legend
05-29-2008, 06:03 PM
Jonathon Vilma 82 lol thats just funny, and why would KGB go down

neko4
05-30-2008, 12:58 AM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=34B7699967F9D412F2E9A15341C2ABFB? id=09000d5d808908c1&template=with-video&confirm=true

Story bout Rodgers


Also, a comment by some guy on IGN about Kampman:

I'm a Packers fan but I know Kampman is not the best D-Lineman in the league. He's the best D-lineman on the team no doubt but he's not exactly a stud against the run, he's still great but not on par with Haynesworth. Our DT's are also great at penetrating against the pass which allows Kampman to get a one on one matchup against the tackle almost all the time and obviously a player of his calibur is going to get some sacks with that matchup but an elite pass rusher would have about 5-8 more in that d-line. While Kampman is a great overall talent he's just not elite in either the pass or run which really prevents him from being the best.

I always figured his first job was stopping the run until 06

PackerLegend
05-30-2008, 02:15 PM
The Packers have taken down Favre's nameplate on his locker and replaced it with just a regular packers.......saw it on Packers.com pretty cool no one else should ever get it and now they wont.

Favre4ever
05-30-2008, 03:11 PM
Thats what you think Grant will get? I highly doubt that because although he had played 12 games and did pretty good thats alot of change for a player that may be a 1 year wonder like Samkon Gado.

I cant believe some people still afraid that Grant is a one year wonder. Samekon Gado was nothing special and we all knew it while Grant totally brought this team to another level. Grant will be a solid back in this league for years. I like him better than Dorsey Levens.

GB12
05-30-2008, 03:22 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=34B7699967F9D412F2E9A15341C2ABFB? id=09000d5d808908c1&template=with-video&confirm=true

Story bout Rodgers


Also, a comment by some guy on IGN about Kampman:

I'm a Packers fan but I know Kampman is not the best D-Lineman in the league. He's the best D-lineman on the team no doubt but he's not exactly a stud against the run, he's still great but not on par with Haynesworth. Our DT's are also great at penetrating against the pass which allows Kampman to get a one on one matchup against the tackle almost all the time and obviously a player of his calibur is going to get some sacks with that matchup but an elite pass rusher would have about 5-8 more in that d-line. While Kampman is a great overall talent he's just not elite in either the pass or run which really prevents him from being the best.

I always figured his first job was stopping the run until 06

Hmm, some random poster on a video game forum. Yeah, I don't care what he has to say.

johbur
05-30-2008, 05:48 PM
yeah good call on Denver.
they're overrated every season.

they have weak WRs other than brandon marshall and shanahan is totally overrated and i think still hasn't won more than one playoff game without elway there (and i think it was over New England in the one time i wagered on NE)

Denver has some nice pieces like Marshall and Cutler may be vastly improved given he has his diabetes under control, but I don't know that they've gotten all that better, whereas KC had a nice draft (though losing J. Allen a huge losss) and Al Davis went nuts spending on FAs. Toss in San Diego and it will be an interesting year in that division.

neko4
05-31-2008, 10:43 PM
Hmm, some random poster on a video game forum. Yeah, I don't care what he has to say.
Thats what i thought, i just get pissed off to easily

neko4
06-01-2008, 08:40 AM
Has Favre officially retired yet?

PACKmanN
06-01-2008, 09:41 AM
Has Favre officially retired yet?

yeah, the Packers put him on the retired list a day before the draft.

NY+Giants=NYG
06-01-2008, 11:08 AM
I am breaking down the NFCCG because I am bored, and curious to see what you guys run on defense. So I am going to breakdown our offense vs your defense right down to player placement, and I am listing some of ALL of your offensive formations you used, and going to draw up the plays you ran from passing to running.

So I should have that some time later.

neko4
06-01-2008, 01:01 PM
I am breaking down the NFCCG because I am bored, and curious to see what you guys run on defense. So I am going to breakdown our offense vs your defense right down to player placement, and I am listing some of ALL of your offensive formations you used, and going to draw up the plays you ran from passing to running.

So I should have that some time later.

Lots of 5 Wide on O

Bump N Run on D

Hopefully others will give you more indepth info.

Why cant you do the NYG-DAL game, i dont wanna replay that damn game. Or you should do the first GB-NYG game

AtariBigby
06-01-2008, 01:28 PM
Not as many 5-Wides as before Ryan Grant emerged.

umphrey
06-01-2008, 02:14 PM
I think we'll run a lot of 4 wide, but we can't go wrong putting Ruvell Martin on the field too. Drafting Jordy Nelson says we're not going to be afraid to use a lot of receivers, at least 4 of them anyway.

umphrey
06-01-2008, 02:18 PM
That's a pretty awful list.
Antonio Cromartie to a 95 is way to far, along with Patrick Willis to a 97, Wes Welker to a 95, and Jon Beason to a 91 just to name a few. On the lower side the only major ones I see are that Shockey won't drop to sub-90 and I don't think Rudi Johnson will fall quite that much.

Wes Welker is just a glorified slot receiver. He'll probably be around 95 because the roster update made him a 93, but it's stupid. Randy Moss comes into an offense and all of a sudden everyone around him looks awesome, and then he leaves and everyone realizes they suck. Yet people haven't figured it out yet. You put Welker on just about any other offense as a starter and he's a big weakness.

NY+Giants=NYG
06-01-2008, 02:39 PM
Lots of 5 Wide on O

Bump N Run on D

Hopefully others will give you more indepth info.

Why cant you do the NYG-DAL game, i dont wanna replay that damn game. Or you should do the first GB-NYG game

Well I did the other playoff games. I didn't do Dallas because I didn't tape the game, and for GB, I didn't break it down, because I didn't want to jinx myself, so I waited until after the superbowl. But we won that, so I did that first, and Now going to your game. You guys actually have some cool formations, and wanted to see how your coaching staff draw up your running plays.

Actually so far it seems like the CB on Burress wasn't playing bump and run early on. He showed man coverage, but would bail all the way to LB depth.

I dont have tape on the first time we played. I am a TE coach, and so we were in the middle of our season. I actually didn't see the game on TV because the game didn't come on in Boston.

So basically any game after nov 5th, that we played I taped or went to, so I could break it down.

neko4
06-01-2008, 03:25 PM
Well I did the other playoff games. I didn't do Dallas because I didn't tape the game, and for GB, I didn't break it down, because I didn't want to jinx myself, so I waited until after the superbowl. But we won that, so I did that first, and Now going to your game. You guys actually have some cool formations, and wanted to see how your coaching staff draw up your running plays.

As I recall we run some sets where the WRs are stacked
Zone blocking scheme if you didnt already know.

Actually so far it seems like the CB on Burress wasn't playing bump and run early on. He showed man coverage, but would bail all the way to LB depth.

I remember it was mostly Al.
Really, no wonder we lost!

I dont have tape on the first time we played. I am a TE coach, and so we were in the middle of our season. I actually didn't see the game on TV because the game didn't come on in Boston.

So basically any game after nov 5th, that we played I taped or went to, so I could break it down.

Responses above

Also, im trying my best not to remember that game. Yall played hard, but Al Harris and Brett Favre probably the worst that they did all year. And Grant got shut down. It was just horrible and painful

johbur
06-01-2008, 08:32 PM
I think we'll run a lot of 4 wide, but we can't go wrong putting Ruvell Martin on the field too. Drafting Jordy Nelson says we're not going to be afraid to use a lot of receivers, at least 4 of them anyway.

I think we'll still use the 4 and 5 wide formations as long as our protection holds up front. Favre had the capacity to get rid of the ball very quickly. If Rodgers is more hesitant out of inexperience, then there'll be more protection.

I don't expect anymore from Jordy than from Jennings or JJ as rookies, except that maybe he'll be the KR/PR in competition with Blackmon. Very few rookies do anything significant, particularly at WR.

PackerLegend
06-01-2008, 11:20 PM
yeah, the Packers put him on the retired list a day before the draft.

Yes this is true but Favre still officially isnt retired. He has yet to sign his retirement papers which would give us the 10-11 million dollars in cap space he is still counting against. He has been removed from our roster but like I said to my knowledge hasn't signed the retirement papers.

GB12
06-01-2008, 11:25 PM
His salary does not count against our cap space.

Boston
06-01-2008, 11:40 PM
Responses above

Also, im trying my best not to remember that game. Yall played hard, but Al Harris and Brett Favre probably the worst that they did all year. And Grant got shut down. It was just horrible and painful

I hate making excuses, or even thinking about that game, but I'd say it was more Eli's amazing performance in that weather, than it was Favre's or Harris' faults. I mean, realistically speaking, a passing game built mainly on timing isn't going to function very well in -20 weather with no running game.

PackerLegend
06-01-2008, 11:46 PM
His salary does not count against our cap space.

Everywhere I have seen and I even read about it on packers.com and jsonline.com we don't get the 11 million dollars Favre's retirement frees up until he signs his retirement papers. TT said that was fine and he was in no rush to get Favre to sign them. We are roughly 23 million or so under and Favre will get us about 34 million under until we start signing rookies. Favre will sign them eventually.

Packer_Backer
06-02-2008, 12:15 AM
http://www.pastapadre.com/2645/madden-09-player-and-team-ratings?nggpage=2
Packer Madden 09 rankings are here, as well as others.

ARod got hosed, and I think Barnett should have been a little higher.

Yatta!
06-02-2008, 04:29 AM
Scott's Packers review.
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/reviews/reviews/greenbaypackers.html

He does not like it at all, especially Brohm. Personally I think he's overreacting a bit - I'm not quite sure how the selection of Brohm could 'set the franchise back years'.

neko4
06-02-2008, 04:43 AM
Green Bay used their top pick in the '08 Draft on Kansas St. wide receiver Jordy Nelson, which came as a bit of a surprise because they always seem to be bragging about how they already have five or six starting-caliber wideouts.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!

NY+Giants=NYG
06-02-2008, 08:49 AM
I hate making excuses, or even thinking about that game, but I'd say it was more Eli's amazing performance in that weather, than it was Favre's or Harris' faults. I mean, realistically speaking, a passing game built mainly on timing isn't going to function very well in -20 weather with no running game.

From what I've seen early on from my breakdown, it seems that they were quick passes, because the CB was off Plax. And when he was pressed on him, he was able to get an inside release, and get alittle seperation. It didn't appear to be anything fancy as of yet.

princefielder28
06-02-2008, 09:05 AM
Scott's Packers review.
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/reviews/reviews/greenbaypackers.html

He does not like it at all, especially Brohm. Personally I think he's overreacting a bit - I'm not quite sure how the selection of Brohm could 'set the franchise back years'.

Yeah, I respect Scott for his views and overall knowledge of the NFL Draft, but I think he is way out there on his views of the Packers' draft and it is not logical. Drafting a QB in round two is going to set the team back four or five years? Come on now; there's nothing wrong with a little competition and there's no doubt who the man is in Green Bay.

TitleTown088
06-02-2008, 09:19 AM
ooooooooppps

TitleTown088
06-02-2008, 09:20 AM
How does drafting Brohm " essentially kill any chance Rodgers had at succeeding? I can't see any logic there. He's a big boy and he can handle a little competition.

PackerLegend
06-02-2008, 09:38 AM
How does drafting Brohm " essentially kill any chance Rodgers had at succeeding? I can't see any logic there. He's a big boy and he can handle a little competition.

Exactly and Rodgers already knows that this is his team. I was waiting for our review.....but after Scott broke down the Brohm pick I stopped reading, it was just a plain awful review of the Brohm pick.

jackalope
06-02-2008, 09:57 AM
I still hate the Brohm pick, but I don't agree with Scott saying that it means Rodgers won't suceeed. Brohm was drafted to be a backup, which is a large part of why I hate the pick.

PackerLegend
06-02-2008, 11:47 AM
I still hate the Brohm pick, but I don't agree with Scott saying that it means Rodgers won't suceeed. Brohm was drafted to be a backup, which is a large part of why I hate the pick.

Yes a backup but thats exactly what we need. Most of us fans think Rodgers will be good and succeed but what if he doesnt? Now we already have a young QB in the works and got him at great value. Its Rodgers team and he will be giving a shot. I believe Rodgers will succeed and that means Brohm will stay a backup. Thats fine because it was probably someone like Culpepper or Brohm. Plus Brohm can end up being traded much like Matt Schuab (sp?) was.

umphrey
06-02-2008, 12:41 PM
Wow, I knew Scott was going to tear our draft apart but this is even worse than I expected.

With their next pick the Packers made one of the most controversial, and in my opinion worst, picks of the draft when they chose Louisville quarterback Brian Brohm. Don't get me wrong, I like Brohm and think he was a terrific value late in round two but he was not the right pick for Green Bay. By selecting a signal caller so early the Packers showed a complete and utter lack of confidence in Aaron Rodgers and essentially killed any chance he had of succeeding. Sure they needed to bring in a backup quarterback and an insurance policy but the right move would have been to add in a veteran who posed no legitimate threat to Rodgers, not a high-profile rookie. Rodgers will begin the year as the starter but it's only a matter of time until Brohm is under center in Green Bay and after using a #1 pick on a signal caller and spending three years developing him in their system they will be starting all over at the position, which is not an ideal situation for a team that hopes to contend for a Super Bowl in the very near future. To me both Nelson and Brohm were self-indulgent luxury picks and a classic case of a team thinking they are better than they are and ignoring need. That is one of my pet peeves when it comes to the NFL Draft.

First off, he's talking up a late second rounder to be more than it is. More importantly, he talks about Rodgers like he's a high school prom queen or something. Like he's always been handed a job, never had any competition in his life. How can he assume that this will even be detrimental to him, when he talks about competition being healthy for other positions? Derek Anderson and Drew Brees may disagree with him. I don't think you can definitively say either way.

Also he knocks us for "ignoring need" when we did fine. We probably wanted Cason but SD snatched him from us. Odds are, at that point, Lee was our next top rated corner, so we could have drafted him at 36 or 60. Scott probably would have given us a higher grade if we took him at 36. What was our other big need, part time TE and DE depth perhaps? OL depth? We found quality talent at these positions later in the draft, and we didn't need to use early picks there at all.

I know the Brohm pick is kind of a love or hate thing, but I guess it kind of annoys me how some people chose to ignore the excellent talent we drafted in the late second round, and what a perfect fit he is for us, in a time where the position is somewhat shaky. Odds are that in 2 years if Brohm looks like a starter we will be happy we made the pick, however Rodgers turns out.

bearsfan_51
06-02-2008, 01:07 PM
I'd have to agree that Scott's argument for Brohm is downright silly. You have to remember that Scott had a Brady Quinn-esque man crush on Rodgers back in 2004 though, so I'm sure he wants him to get every opportunity to prove him right.

On the other hand, I think the general consensus among non-Packers fans (and some Packers fans alike) is that this was a pretty meh.. draft over all for the Packers. There are probably one or two starters and even if Brohm suceeds, it's still going to be because Rodgers failed (I'm still a big fan of the Brohm pick though).

Overall I don't think it was a bad draft, but it was a draft mostly for depth and will likely never make a big impact on the team, so I thnk it's probably somewhere between the B-C range. It's hard to make much of an immediate impact when you're drafting at the bottom of every round.

princefielder28
06-02-2008, 01:37 PM
I'd have to agree that Scott's argument for Brohm is downright silly. You have to remember that Scott had a Brady Quinn-esque man crush on Rodgers back in 2004 though, so I'm sure he wants him to get every opportunity to prove him right.

On the other hand, I think the general consensus among non-Packers fans (and some Packers fans alike) is that this was a pretty meh.. draft over all for the Packers. There are probably one or two starters and even if Brohm suceeds, it's still going to be because Rodgers failed (I'm still a big fan of the Brohm pick though).

Overall I don't think it was a bad draft, but it was a draft mostly for depth and will likely never make a big impact on the team, so I thnk it's probably somewhere between the B-C range. It's hard to make much of an immediate impact when you're drafting at the bottom of every round.

I agree with everything you put down here. I'm a big fan of the Day Two picks such as Finley, Thompson, and Breno, but their impacts will be felt down the road and not immediately. This draft can be better assessed three or four years down the road much like any teams draft, but the initial poor grade is not warranted; it wasn't a great draft, but it wasn't as poor as Scott stated

Yatta!
06-02-2008, 01:53 PM
I don't see how the move 'essentially kills any chance Rodgers had of suceeding', it's still his job to lose and why shouldn't we grab the most talented backup quarterback possible rather than settle for a journeyman.

Also although it was a luxury pick, the point is that we covered the majority of our needs and we were never gonna get a rookie starter from this draft. We were in a position to make luxury picks imo.

Sportsfan486
06-02-2008, 03:52 PM
I don't see how the move 'essentially kills any chance Rodgers had of suceeding', it's still his job to lose and why shouldn't we grab the most talented backup quarterback possible rather than settle for a journeyman.

Also although it was a luxury pick, the point is that we covered the majority of our needs and we were never gonna get a rookie starter from this draft. We were in a position to make luxury picks imo.

Yeah, I didn't really get the "overestimating how good they are" bit. What? We won 13 games. We BARELY lost in overtime in the NFC Championship game to the eventual Superbowl winners. WTF?

We made great value picks except for Sitton, who apparently we saw some potential in. Just a Viking fan..

TitleTown088
06-02-2008, 10:47 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8089fb43

Rodgers on NFl network.

Packer_Backer
06-03-2008, 10:18 AM
Hopefully Jeff Brohm pans out for us. Brian will be awfully dissapointed his twin took his spot.

roidrunner
06-03-2008, 11:46 AM
Jeff????????

Im really confused, cause jeff is the OC for UofL.

Packer_Backer
06-03-2008, 02:36 PM
No according to Baldinger we drafted him as a backup. If he is an OC to that is just a bonus.:)

PACKmanN
06-03-2008, 03:15 PM
Scott has never been A fan for drafting best player available. If you read his reports on other teams he always takes about getting other players and not targeting their needs.

Yatta!
06-03-2008, 05:14 PM
Noah Herron is a hero.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3424737

princefielder28
06-03-2008, 05:44 PM
Noah Herron is a hero.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3424737

Props Noah and Dennis Kocken is a good man!

johbur
06-03-2008, 10:14 PM
Noah Herron is a hero.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3424737

Now why is it the NFL players that should be carrying guns don't have 'em and are out there stopping crime, while those that shouldn't be carrying guns have 'em and are out there committing crime?

Noah Herron >>> Pacman Jones!

Football Fan
06-03-2008, 11:52 PM
Scott has never been A fan for drafting best player available. If you read his reports on other teams he always takes about getting other players and not targeting their needs.It makes it much easier for Scott to make predictions for his mock draft web site when teams draft for need. So im guessing that is at least a partial reason for him not to be a fan of teams that pick BPA. Concidering that Scott gains credibility for every pick he gets right I can see why he prefers teams to pick for need even if its not neccesarily the best strategy.

PackerLegend
06-04-2008, 01:00 PM
Here are videos of the Packers practices in the Don Hutson center.


WR's catching and a little sled pushing by the RB's. Taj Smith #6 looked bad, 2 balls thrown to him in the video and he dropped both and the WR's werent covered.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gF5aQy3AM8


Other drills

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOsBF32WNVg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7OT1IRXjW0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0qZOl2v77o&feature=related

neko4
06-04-2008, 09:07 PM
Im very excited about this year's Dline

Possibly 4 DE's (If thompson is as good as I hope) in the rotation and 4 DT's in the rotation (Hopefully Harrell steps up and 5 if you count Jenkins). And apparently Muir isnt too bad either!

AtariBigby
06-04-2008, 09:13 PM
Today coach McCarthy was asked about the young QBs:

(How are Brian Brohm and Matt Flynn doing to this point?)
Progressing. I'll tell you, Brian Brohm is as sharp a young quarterback that I have been around, and that's a big statement because I have been fortunate enough to coach some very bright quarterbacks in their first and second year in the league. I have been very impressed with the way he picks up the scheme and the way he is able to communicate it.

neko4
06-04-2008, 09:29 PM
Anybody know Ruvell's rating this year on madden?

Boston
06-04-2008, 09:47 PM
Anybody know Ruvell's rating this year on madden?

Madden's a joke.

neko4
06-04-2008, 09:48 PM
I know it is, but im very curious

Pack_Attack_4
06-04-2008, 10:35 PM
Veteran cornerbacks Al Harris and Charles Woodson both were present for the Green Bay Packers' voluntary offseason workout session Wednesday, its good to see that sum of the vets that are normally not at the voluntary offseason workouts are there, it seems to me that Al and Wood are trying to be the leaders on the team now that we lost Favre.

GB12
06-04-2008, 11:51 PM
We released Joe Toledo.

With drafting 2 more lineman there was no need what so ever for him so no big deal.

Yatta!
06-05-2008, 08:20 AM
Article detailing some of the current injuries in OTAs.
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080604/PKR01/80604155/1058

neko4
06-05-2008, 07:24 PM
I think we're about to have three starting caliber TE's to match our five good recievers.

The scare came on the day Tory Humphrey practiced in front of reporters for the first time since breaking a leg in July. Humphrey opened the first team period alongside starter Donald Lee in a two-tight set with the No. 1 offense

I really didnt expect us to take a TE so early because I thought that Humphrey could be the real deal.
Also we have 6-8 Joey Haynos.

Kampman for President
06-07-2008, 10:47 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/06/01/mmqb/index.html

Great article on Kampman, among others, in helping with the tornado relief in the midwest.

ikabaad
06-08-2008, 03:59 PM
Im very excited about this year's Dline

Possibly 4 DE's (If thompson is as good as I hope) in the rotation and 4 DT's in the rotation (Hopefully Harrell steps up and 5 if you count Jenkins). And apparently Muir isnt too bad either!

can I ask what or why you think Thompson is good? I have my fingers crossed, but I don't see him being "special". A Wake Forest DE that didn't put up eye opening #s. I think he will be better than Montgomery and Hunter, but that doesn't take a whole heck of alot. No disrespect to you, just a general wondering...ment.. That pick threw me for a loop.

ikabaad
06-08-2008, 04:02 PM
Anybody know Ruvell's rating this year on madden?

here are some

http://www.pastapadre.com/2645/madden-09-player-and-team-ratings?nggpage=2

neko4
06-08-2008, 04:08 PM
I feel he has a good motor. He should atleast be able to spell Kampman unlike last year when we didnt have a good backup for Kampman.

Kampman for President
06-08-2008, 04:08 PM
can I ask what or why you think Thompson is good? I have my fingers crossed, but I don't see him being "special". A Wake Forest DE that didn't put up eye opening #s. I think he will be better than Montgomery and Hunter, but that doesn't take a whole heck of alot. No disrespect to you, just a general wondering...ment.. That pick threw me for a loop.

I'm viewing him more so as a long term developmental guy. He's pretty lean right now which will relegate him to a pass rushing role but if he can bulk up and keep his athleticism then I think he has the potential to be another Kampman for us. Some teams were looking at Thompson possibly as a LB and LB was where Kampman played for 2 years at Iowa.

Montgomery is also a free agent after the season, Hunter is mainly a special teamer, and KGB is nearing the end of his contract and he is still pricey. Right now Thompson is just added depth at a position in which we only have 1 true DE.

PACKmanN
06-08-2008, 04:56 PM
I read somewhere that either Barnett or Collins will be wearing the defensive mic helmet. Who do you think it should be? I think Collins, it easier for Barnett to audible at the line with everyone being around him, but harder for Collins to tell the CBs.

Yatta!
06-08-2008, 05:26 PM
I read somewhere that either Barnett or Collins will be wearing the defensive mic helmet. Who do you think it should be? I think Collins, it easier for Barnett to audible at the line with everyone being around him, but harder for Collins to tell the CBs.

I'd go for Barnett. I would expect the majority of teams to pick their middle linebackers tbh.

Kampman for President
06-08-2008, 05:30 PM
I read somewhere that either Barnett or Collins will be wearing the defensive mic helmet. Who do you think it should be? I think Collins, it easier for Barnett to audible at the line with everyone being around him, but harder for Collins to tell the CBs.

I'm pretty sure they areadly said it would be Barnett.

ikabaad
06-08-2008, 06:53 PM
it was in a McCarthy transcript a few days ago.

GB12
06-08-2008, 07:33 PM
I read somewhere that either Barnett or Collins will be wearing the defensive mic helmet. Who do you think it should be? I think Collins, it easier for Barnett to audible at the line with everyone being around him, but harder for Collins to tell the CBs.
It's definitely going to be Barnett. I don't believe that it was ever an issue over who would wear it.

The reasoning you said for Collins having it doesn't make sense either. The mic is to call the plays in the huddle not audible at the line. The mic will shut off just like the offensive one does. It's really not going to change much, it just allows the defensive coordinator to call in the plays instead of using signals.

neko4
06-08-2008, 07:54 PM
I would actually expect it to be Al Harris. I heard hes trying to step up in Favre's absence as a team leader

JF4
06-09-2008, 12:22 AM
I would actually expect it to be Al Harris. I heard hes trying to step up in Favre's absence as a team leader

There will be 0 NFL corners who ever wear it.

TitleTown088
06-09-2008, 08:23 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dh6EjzHwB7s

Rodgers Sunday conversation.

princefielder28
06-09-2008, 08:49 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dh6EjzHwB7s

Rodgers Sunday conversation.

He needs to clean up his appearance

TitleTown088
06-09-2008, 09:13 PM
He needs to clean up his appearance
Meh, IDK.I'm diggin' the mountain man look.

GB12
06-09-2008, 11:13 PM
I saw that on Sports Center last night. I think he did a great job in the interview. He had good answers for all the questions and was confident about taking a hold of the job.

My favorite part
-"He didn't call you after he retired?"
-"Why would he need to?"
-(thinks for a couple seconds)"uh...good luck kid....Maybe to say good luck..maybe to..."

Here's the full version without the crappy unneccessary home editing. http://youtube.com/watch?v=EKQLdIC1W6Y&feature=related

TitleTown088
06-10-2008, 12:03 AM
http://inlinethumb08.webshots.com/23751/2970777460103475082S600x600Q85.jpg

Sure it's off season weight, but he got big.

Football Fan
06-10-2008, 03:37 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=3427289&type=story
Walker is an ass.
I knew Darrent Williams wasnt the reason for him wanting out of Denver, as the walker defenders claimed. Though it would have been more than reasonable, but simply not the case.(which just about every GB fan knew already)
Walker is just a selfish dumbass "me type WR" and is showing everyone why he got such a low wonderlic score.

umphrey
06-10-2008, 04:08 PM
That article looks pretty similar to something you would have read 2 years ago, changing the team names. Oakland can look forward to a black hole in their salary cap. A second round pick (Greg Jennings) is looking like an amazing trade right now.

GB12
06-10-2008, 04:24 PM
That article looks pretty similar to something you would have read 2 years ago, changing the team names. Oakland can look forward to a black hole in their salary cap. A second round pick (Greg Jennings) is looking like an amazing trade right now.
The pick we used on Jennings was from New England. It ended up being Chad Jackson for Greg Jennings and Jason Spitz, I'll take it.

We got the Broncos second rounder for Walker which we then traded to Atlanta for more picks that we continued to trade. I'm not even sure what the net from the Walker trade ends up being. I know Daryn Colledge was part, but we traded picks so many times that the rest I don't know.

Kampman for President
06-10-2008, 08:36 PM
The pick we used on Jennings was from New England. It ended up being Chad Jackson for Greg Jennings and Jason Spitz, I'll take it.

We got the Broncos second rounder for Walker which we then traded to Atlanta for more picks that we continued to trade. I'm not even sure what the net from the Walker trade ends up being. I know Daryn Colledge was part, but we traded picks so many times that the rest I don't know.

We got Daryn Colledge, Will Blackmon, Ingle Martin, Johnny Jolly, and Tyrone Culver out of that pick and the subsquent picks that we traded from that original pick.

Yatta!
06-12-2008, 12:32 PM
Any news on any of the rookie contracts? Or Ryan Grant's for that matter?

Mr.Regular
06-12-2008, 02:58 PM
I mailed my letter to Lambeau to get on the season ticket waiting list today! Woohoo! My future great-great grandchildren will be so happy!

Kampman for President
06-12-2008, 05:07 PM
Any news on any of the rookie contracts? Or Ryan Grant's for that matter?

We won't be signing any rookies until the OTA's are complete. Reason being is that since there is no NFL Europe anymore teams don't get the roster exemption for the players they send over there. Instead they changed the number of players that teams can have at the OTA's to something like 86 players I believe. Draft picks don't count against that number until they sign their contract. So once we sign a draft pick, we have to release a player. We want as many bodies as possible to take snaps from the vets to keep them healthy.

As for Grant, he has little leverage and doesn't have to be into practice's until training camp. I'd bet we give him a little extention with incentives.

Mr.Regular
06-12-2008, 11:50 PM
So as I mentioned I put myself on the Packers season ticket list.
Ive heard conflicting wait times. Lots of places say an approximate 35 year wait. BUT I also heard the turnover is an average of about 70 a year, and the list is nearing 80,000 people so simple math says that the wait would be over 1000 years. Big difference between 30 and 1000. Whats the correct wait time?

neko4
06-13-2008, 06:54 AM
So as I mentioned I put myself on the Packers season ticket list.
Ive heard conflicting wait times. Lots of places say an approximate 35 year wait. BUT I also heard the turnover is an average of about 70 a year, and the list is nearing 80,000 people so simple math says that the wait would be over 1000 years. Big difference between 30 and 1000. Whats the correct wait time?

Only time will tell. I would say something else, but I dont want to jinx the team.

Kampman for President
06-13-2008, 12:53 PM
So as I mentioned I put myself on the Packers season ticket list.
Ive heard conflicting wait times. Lots of places say an approximate 35 year wait. BUT I also heard the turnover is an average of about 70 a year, and the list is nearing 80,000 people so simple math says that the wait would be over 1000 years. Big difference between 30 and 1000. Whats the correct wait time?

Lets just say by the time your kids kids kids have a kid, they can put him through some really good mathematical college and he can figure out when you'll get your season tickets. ;)

TitleTown088
06-13-2008, 04:33 PM
I'm pretty mad my dad didn't sign me up when I was born so I'd be 20 some years closer.

Mr.Regular
06-14-2008, 07:24 AM
I'm pretty mad my dad didn't sign me up when I was born so I'd be 20 some years closer.
What number are you on the list?

TitleTown088
06-15-2008, 05:26 PM
What number are you on the list?

Ahhhh... somewhere around 75,000 I think? I could be mistaken but that's what I seem to remember.

Pacific
06-15-2008, 05:51 PM
I signed up about 10 years ago and I've moved up somewhere around 4,000 positions. I think I'm around 52,000 right now.

roidrunner
06-15-2008, 06:29 PM
do they have an online form you can fill out for packers tickets, season tickets that is, cause i do not have my name on the list yet.

Kampman for President
06-15-2008, 06:38 PM
do they have an online form you can fill out for packers tickets, season tickets that is, cause i do not have my name on the list yet.

Lambeau Field has been sold out on a season ticket basis since 1960 and we've been accumulating names on our legendary season ticket waiting list ever since. To add a name to the list, please send a written request and include the name, address, phone number and the number of tickets requested (limit four) to the Packers Ticket Office.

Packers Ticket Office
P.O. Box 10628
Green Bay, WI 54307-0628

Separate lists are maintained for our Club Seats and Private Boxes. Please express your interest in obtaining these premium seats to the attention of the Packers Premium Seating Department.

http://www.packers.com/tickets/season_tickets/

Yatta!
06-16-2008, 02:33 AM
Wow I knew the waiting list was long but that's amazing. How hard is it to get tickets in general (ie not season tickets just for a single game etc)? If I ever make my way over then I'd definitely want to catch a game.

AtariBigby
06-16-2008, 10:19 AM
Who got tickets to the Family Night?

princefielder28
06-16-2008, 10:46 AM
Wow I knew the waiting list was long but that's amazing. How hard is it to get tickets in general (ie not season tickets just for a single game etc)? If I ever make my way over then I'd definitely want to catch a game.

eBay is always an option, but usually outside of Lambeau Field on Gameday there are many more people looking to purchase tickets rather than sell so if you head to Green Bay thinking your going to get a ticket outside the stadium you may be wrong. I'd go with the safer route of eBay.

Pacific
06-16-2008, 06:29 PM
I've been to two preseason games and both times I got the tickets through Fuzzy's bar in Green Bay. They always seem to have something available.

princefielder28
06-16-2008, 08:04 PM
I've been to two preseason games and both times I got the tickets through Fuzzy's bar in Green Bay. They always seem to have something available.

You have to remember though that those are preseason games...people would much rather sit in the bar, pay less for alcohol, get hammered, and actually get a little money in return for their meaningless ticket(s)

Pacific
06-16-2008, 08:14 PM
You have to remember though that those are preseason games...people would much rather sit in the bar, pay less for alcohol, get hammered, and actually get a little money in return for their meaningless ticket(s)

Yeah I know, I was just throwing it out there. I'm guessing Fuzzy's or some other bar would have something available for a regular season game though. You're gonna have to pay a nice sum anywhere however.

princefielder28
06-16-2008, 08:17 PM
Yeah I know, I was just throwing it out there. I'm guessing Fuzzy's or some other bar would have something available for a regular season game though. You're gonna have to pay a nice sum anywhere however.

correct...i wasn't trying to kill down what you said i just pointed out a fact...obviously if it's not a marquee game then you'll be able to find tickets alot easier than if it was a team like Indy.

GB12
06-17-2008, 12:17 AM
Putting some new blitz packages into our playbook. http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=762740

I'm very excited to see how good our defense can be. We certainly have the players there I'd just like us to take full advantage of it before Al loses it. If utilized correctly it's going to be a hell of a defense. The things you can do with our front 7 and Atari Bigby are endless. I'm not saying we need to rehaul the defense. I don't want to see us turn into a blitz heavy team like the Eagles or do all the crazy line stunts the Giants do. I like what we have, but mix in the right amount and it's going to be a scary defense.

johbur
06-17-2008, 01:08 AM
I'd love to see some variety and creativity for some games. When the team was 10-1 and healthy, there was no need for any blitzing. All it takes is some injuries to key guys and then there's a lack of pressure on the QB. If everyone were fully healthy and the depth was being used and guys could just go crazy on the line when they're in because they have 1 or two guys behind them, it might be vanilla, but a non-blitzing defense that generates DL pressure on the QB is very tough to beat.

The other thing I'd like to see from our blitzing is that we have a number of QBs in division that blow dog. Tavaris, Kitna and Grossman? Seriously. Having Bigby come off the corner like Butler or middle blitzing by Barnett and Rouse would make those guys crap themselves. Toss in B-Pop being a natural rusher and Hawk's capacity to rush, and even if you only toss in a dozen rushes a game, they could very well hit paydirt with the talent that's on this team, particularly with the CBs holding down the man coverage.

umphrey
06-17-2008, 01:54 PM
QB Aaron Rodgers cut his hair and now looks like a "13-year-old boy," according to LB A.J. Hawk.
Minicamp starts today

PACKmanN
06-17-2008, 03:22 PM
Minicamp starts today

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, why on earth did he do that to his hair. He was much better rocking the long hair.

Pacific
06-17-2008, 03:46 PM
I'm not really sure where to post this so here it is...
For other fantasy football players, where do you value Ryan Grant this year? I'm guessing he'll be one of the first 10 RB's taken but I'm not sure I'd want to invest that high of a pick in him. What do you think?

Kampman for President
06-17-2008, 04:53 PM
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, why on earth did he do that to his hair. He was much better rocking the long hair.

I'm thinking the same thing. I guess its part of his "I'm the leader now" additude.

GB12
06-17-2008, 05:15 PM
The short hair is fine by me. Just as long as he's not clean shaven.

princefielder28
06-17-2008, 06:16 PM
I'm not really sure where to post this so here it is...
For other fantasy football players, where do you value Ryan Grant this year? I'm guessing he'll be one of the first 10 RB's taken but I'm not sure I'd want to invest that high of a pick in him. What do you think?

I don't like taking Packers players because they usually underperform

Yatta!
06-17-2008, 06:58 PM
I'm not really sure where to post this so here it is...
For other fantasy football players, where do you value Ryan Grant this year? I'm guessing he'll be one of the first 10 RB's taken but I'm not sure I'd want to invest that high of a pick in him. What do you think?

He would say he is just outside the top 10 RBs but I think that most people would have him ranked lower. I reckon that fans from other teams will be wary of the 'one year wonder' tag, I think I will end up targeting Grant a lot earlier than the other guys in my league.

TitleTown088
06-17-2008, 07:28 PM
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj129/packfan25/6612GKCAJGRHVJCAPG4RXJCA3PSBNFCABNI.jpg

Real weak.

umphrey
06-17-2008, 07:38 PM
As expected, the two major position battles seem to be at FS (Collins, Rouse) and LG (Colledge, Barbe).

Kampman for President
06-17-2008, 08:02 PM
As expected, the two major position battles seem to be at FS (Collins, Rouse) and LG (Colledge, Barbe).

I'd throw in TE2, SLB1, CB3/4, and WR3/4.

umphrey
06-17-2008, 08:07 PM
From all reports it seems that Poppinga and Williams almost have SLB and nickel CB locked down, though that could change. I would agree that WR3 and TE2 are wide open, but those will likely change or be a rotation during the season and won't see that much PT anyway.

Kampman for President
06-17-2008, 08:09 PM
From all reports it seems that Poppinga and Williams almost have SLB and nickel CB locked down, though that could change. I would agree that WR3 and TE2 are wide open, but those will likely change or be a rotation during the season and won't see that much PT anyway.

lol, nothing is settled yet. Remember when Ben Taylor was thought to be the winner over Poppinga a few years ago?

The only spot that may be locked down is with Trammon Williams. But I'd be willing to bet that Pat Lee and Will Blackmon could throw a monkey wrench into that in no time.

WR3 won't see much playing time? LOL

umphrey
06-17-2008, 08:13 PM
What I'm saying is JSOnline and sources have mentioned LG and FS as being up for grabs multiple times and said SLB and nickel CB are going to Poppinga and Williams. I didn't even express an opinion, it's just what's being reported thus far.

And like I said, WR3 will probably change and be a rotation during the season, and won't see much PT when you compare it to a starter like LG or FS.

AtariBigby
06-17-2008, 11:36 PM
The only, ONLY, thing I care about during these things is INJURY.
I hold my breath that none of our guys tear their ACLs, or break legs like Tory Humphrey last year.

That stuff can happen on any play in those things.........

Yatta!
06-18-2008, 03:45 AM
You probably all know already but anyway, Ryan Grant was at minicamp but won't practice until his contract is sorted.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3449590

Football Fan
06-18-2008, 08:36 AM
Collins, Hawk seeking impact
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=763314

umphrey
06-18-2008, 10:55 AM
"I'll put it this way: This is my fourth year and what they've seen is what they're going to get from Nick Collins," he said. "Maybe more (big) plays this year, but what you've seen is what you're going to get. I don't see no other safety doing what I do in the scheme that we play.

"The scheme that we play is so unique and I don't see any other safety that can do the things that I do: play the run, play the pass, do whatever the team needs me to do. I don't see no other safety doing that. My goal this year is just to make more plays."

Bring on Rouse! Collins seems like he has a big head for someone on shaky ground. Doesn't seem like he's trying too hard to improve. Also couldn't help noticing how horrible his grammar is sometimes.

"As a defensive guy, if my tackles went down this year, I'd be happy, to tell you the truth, because that means our defense is playing better and we're on the field less," Hawk said. "You can never put too much attention on numbers. I just want to be consistent week in and week out and that's the hardest thing to do in the league."

"That'd be great; that's the goal for any defensive player is make some big plays and turnovers and stuff," Hawk said. "But I'm not going to press and do anything different. I'll take what comes to me and do my job and try to be a solid part of this defense."

Hawk is trying to improve his awareness so he knows which pass routes he can jump for an interception. He's also working on being a better blitzer by learning pass-rushing moves.

That's more what I'd like to hear. Be reliable in pass coverage, maybe learn to take better advantage of interception opportunities and blitz him once in awhile.

neko4
06-18-2008, 01:14 PM
Through 14 games Adrian Peterson averaged 96 yards a game rushing

Ryan Grant, if you include the 2 playoff games, started 12 games and averaged 98 yards a game.

Im just saying

TitleTown088
06-18-2008, 03:01 PM
Through 14 games Adrian Peterson averaged 96 yards a game rushing

Ryan Grant, if you include the 2 playoff games, started 12 games and averaged 98 yards a game.

Im just saying

Ryan Grant wasn't a top 10 pick, he can't be no good dawg!

Boston
06-18-2008, 03:37 PM
Does Nick Collins understand the role general role of a safety? That's basically what they're supposed to do, play both the run and pass well. I hope Rouse beats him out this year.

Kampman for President
06-18-2008, 06:17 PM
Does Nick Collins understand the role general role of a safety? That's basically what they're supposed to do, play both the run and pass well. I hope Rouse beats him out this year.

Same here. Collins is descent but inconsistant. He clearly isn't ever going to be the player that we thought he could be when we drafted him so its time to move on and see what Rouse can do. I wouldn't even be suprised if Peprah won the job either.

Favre4ever
06-18-2008, 07:12 PM
Does Nick Collins understand the role general role of a safety? That's basically what they're supposed to do, play both the run and pass well. I hope Rouse beats him out this year.

After what ive seen from Rouse last year, hes my starter for this season. 2 picks in the 3 games he started as a rookie, Collins could only dream to do that. His instincts are also incredible and seems to see the play develop before it actually happens. With Collins its basically see and then react which explains the lack of big plays. Collins is still a solid player but Rouse has so much more potential.

johbur
06-18-2008, 09:06 PM
When the Packers rushing game crushes this year, Grant will get his props. I'm also excited to see Brandon get the carries and show what he can do. MM has said that Jackson has had one of the best off-seasons.

Collins was great for a rookie, but I haven't seen him progress to be even all-division yet. Rouse has such a great football physique that if he has the capacity to be football aware, he'll have the capacity to dominate. Also given that his instincts brought the turnovers. If Collins is able to maintain, great. Maybe Rouse can take some reps from Bigby or just push those guys to be more assignment sure.

TitleTown088
06-18-2008, 09:18 PM
The Packers recently made an exploratory inquiry with the Miami Dolphins, who are trying to decide what to do with the disgruntled Taylor

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080618/PKR01/80618150/1058

Pacific
06-18-2008, 09:59 PM
I would be hesitant about giving up a 2nd, but if we could get him for a 3rd, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I still might even make the trade for the second rounder depending on how KGB progresses in the next few weeks. It sure would be nice to steal some of the Vikes thunder and get a Pro Bowl DE of our own in a trade.

TitleTown088
06-19-2008, 12:10 AM
I wouldn't give up a 3rd.

With that said TT wouldn't give up that for Randy Moss.Why would he give that up for a 33 year old DE they packers don't really need?

Oh yeah, We already have a pro bowl DE of our own.

On an unrelated note... there's chatter than the receivers are claiming Rodgers has a bigger cannon than Favre did recently.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=3450317

Boston
06-19-2008, 12:25 AM
I wouldn't give up a 3rd.

With that said TT wouldn't give up that for Randy Moss.Why would he give that up for a 33 year old DE they packers don't really need?

Oh yeah, We already have a pro bowl DE of our own.

On an unrelated note... there's chatter than the receivers are claiming Rodgers has a bigger cannon than Favre did recently.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=3450317

He may have a better long ball, but I doubt he can throw the ball harder than Favre did.

TitleTown088
06-19-2008, 12:27 AM
He may have a better long ball, but I doubt he can throw the ball harder than Favre did.

I'd say perhaps he can when compared to a 38 year old Favre, if they were the same age, no way.

Boston
06-19-2008, 12:29 AM
I'd say perhaps he can when compared to a 38 year old Favre, if they were the same age, no way.

I know, I figured saying recently would be redundant...

Mr.Regular
06-19-2008, 12:41 AM
Does anyone else just straight up love James Jones? He seems pretty damn lovable..I could go for a couple less drops from him this year though.

umphrey
06-19-2008, 02:46 AM
The Packers recently made an exploratory inquiry with the Miami Dolphins, who are trying to decide what to do with the disgruntled Taylor

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080618/PKR01/80618150/1058

That's a shocker. I doubt they would give up more than a 4th at this point. Notice the adjective exploratory, meaning that the two teams could be seeing the situation very differently. We aren't the team to give up picks for old players, and given our past draft patterns it seems the first three rounds are expected to be starters.

Edit: JSOnline suggests a 2nd, I doubt it since at age 34 we would only get 2 years out of him at a past his prime playing level. I think we would be confident that we could get somewhere close to that production out of a 2nd rounder and still have a young player under contract.

Yatta!
06-19-2008, 04:54 AM
Strange how its now Collins under pressure from Rouse and not Bigby, even around draft day people weren't totally confident in Bigby. Is he looking better than Collins in practice?

And I don't think a Jason Taylor trade would be worth it now, especially not a 2nd.

Kampman for President
06-19-2008, 05:18 AM
Strange how its now Collins under pressure from Rouse and not Bigby, even around draft day people weren't totally confident in Bigby. Is he looking better than Collins in practice?

And I don't think a Jason Taylor trade would be worth it now, especially not a 2nd.

Bigby improved in December and in the playoffs. This was also his 1st year as a starter so I'm willing to give him another year to show what he can do.

princefielder28
06-19-2008, 09:02 AM
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080618/PKR01/80618150/1058

The Journal Sentinel has a story as well http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=763848&no_cj_c=1

cordscords
06-19-2008, 01:13 PM
I'd feel mixed about a trade for Taylor for a 2nd round pick. For a 3rd I would be totally on board.

TitleTown088
06-19-2008, 01:29 PM
PFT talk is reporting KGB would be involved somehow with a taylor trade.... Something I almost figured if anything were to come to fruition.

ChezPower4
06-19-2008, 01:31 PM
And I don't think a Jason Taylor trade would be worth it now, especially not a 2nd.

If we could get at least 3 good seasons out of Taylor i think it would be a great trade. Taylor would give our line an instant boost, With Tayolr and Kampman on the edge i think that we would not only have a dominating Dline but we would have one of the best front sevens in the NFL. I do think a second round pick is a little high but i strongly believe that the reward that can come from tradilng for taylor far out wieghts the risk

Yatta!
06-19-2008, 05:58 PM
^ Yeah if we get 3 solid seasons from Taylor or went to the Superbowl then it would be a great trade. If we trade for him then I'm obviously not gonna complain.

Thing is that I would have been more willing to do a deal before the draft and in particular before Favre retired.

Kampman for President
06-19-2008, 06:09 PM
And like I said, WR3 will probably change and be a rotation during the season, and won't see much PT when you compare it to a starter like LG or FS.
O really. :D

James Jones is reportedly "quite a bit further ahead" of Jordy Nelson on the Packers depth chart, according to the Green Bay Press-Gazette. As you'd expect. Jones played well as a rookie and is making an expected second-year leap. Nelson should make a lot of plays at receiver in the coming years, but he'll probably focus on returns as a rookie because the position is so deep.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=PluckForum&plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat%3a219a6eee-9f0f-40a3-8825-444b727c1e7cForum%3a1f653d65-e88b-447f-8bd1-9

Kampman for President
06-19-2008, 06:12 PM
PFT talk is reporting KGB would be involved somehow with a taylor trade.... Something I almost figured if anything were to come to fruition.

I'd doubt that. KGB would have to shift to OLB in the Dolphins 3-4 defense and at 30 years old that would be a tough transition. Granted Jason Taylor did it a few years ago but he was always stout against the run as well as being a terrific pass rusher. KGB is nowhere near Taylor's level.

Hodge, Collins, Poppinga are the only players I could see us trading but I highly doubt that Taylor will be in a Packers uniform this season.

Pacific
06-19-2008, 06:24 PM
Thing is that I would have been more willing to do a deal before the draft and in particular before Favre retired.

I don't think Brett being gone matters all that much as far as us making a trade for Taylor. I think we're obviously still in "win now" mode so Brett's retirement shouldn't make any difference. If we can get a Pro Bowl DE to add to our defense and try to win a Super Bowl, isn't that more valuable than saving a draft pick and making a luxury pick next year?

PACKmanN
06-19-2008, 06:43 PM
I would give up nothing more then a 4th. I think Miami is in a tough situation, similar to us when we had Walker, they have no other choice but to trade him if they want anything.

If TT would only give up a 4th for Moss, then he would do the same for Taylor.

Pacific
06-19-2008, 07:39 PM
If TT would only give up a 4th for Moss, then he would do the same for Taylor.

Moss still had character and effort concerns last year though. TT didn't want to bring in Moss to screw up our chemistry. That shouldn't be an issue with Taylor so I'd think we'd be more willing to make a trade and give a little in negotiations.

PackerLegend
06-19-2008, 11:00 PM
Doubt it happens and hope Taylor doesn't land here unless for little... KGB is younger, dont know about cheaper cause KGB has a bad contract.... but TT also giving up 2nd or 3rd rounder? He values picks to much and if he can find more Greg Jennings in round 2 then keep the pick.

Favre4ever
06-19-2008, 11:57 PM
I'd doubt that. KGB would have to shift to OLB in the Dolphins 3-4 defense and at 30 years old that would be a tough transition. Granted Jason Taylor did it a few years ago but he was always stout against the run as well as being a terrific pass rusher. KGB is nowhere near Taylor's level.

Hodge, Collins, Poppinga are the only players I could see us trading but I highly doubt that Taylor will be in a Packers uniform this season.

Its quite obvious that the Packers want to respond to the Jared Allen trade. However, IMO a 2nd rounder is out of the question and im still not sure about a 3rd. Bottom line is that Taylor is probably the missing piece for us to win it all this year, the coaches realize it but they are still undecided about if they should do whatever to get him. Very tough call.

TitleTown088
06-20-2008, 02:01 AM
I'd doubt that. KGB would have to shift to OLB in the Dolphins 3-4 defense and at 30 years old that would be a tough transition. Granted Jason Taylor did it a few years ago but he was always stout against the run as well as being a terrific pass rusher. KGB is nowhere near Taylor's level.

I never said he would be traded to Miaimi. As the PFT article explains, IF he were to be traded to GB it's likely KGB would be released.

Football Fan
06-20-2008, 03:11 AM
McCarthy hopeful defensive line recovers
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=764132

johbur
06-20-2008, 03:19 AM
http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2260_A_CHFF_epic%3A_all-time_franchise_rankings.html

Packers the best franchise in NFL history, which we all know, but always nice to have it validated. I think it's funny that the Cardinals have a championship and Minnesota does not.

I'd pick up Taylor for a second round pick if Taylor said he was going to play two or three years. In the rotation with the guys they have now and reuniting with the coaches that he's familiar with and a system that he was the DPOY, it could be a great year for him. And he could choreograph some defensive stand dances for the team...

And I didn't want to back-track, but I just find it absolutely karma-licious that Javon Walker gets mugged in Vegas when he's wandering around getting drunk with a big wad of cash in his pocket and covered in bling after taking Al Davis for the millions. Best trade of the Thompson era isn't for Ryan Grant, it was trading Javon Walker away. (not to mention the players eventually obtained as part of that trade)

Kampman for President
06-20-2008, 08:07 AM
I never said he would be traded to Miaimi. As the PFT article explains, IF he were to be traded to GB it's likely KGB would be released.

Did I say you said anything?

There would be no point in traded 2 high priced DEs with 1 of them being cut. The only thing that would benefit would be the Dolphins who would gain the cap space. Compared to us where we'd have to pay the rest of KGB's bonus's and guaranteed money plus probably extend Taylor.

Taylor makes $10 million in 2008 and $10.5 million in 2009. Compared to KGBs $6.15 million in 2008 and $7.3 million in 2009.

We'd have to pay Taylor nearly $4 million more than KGB this year plus pay whatever KGB has left of his $13.25 million in guarantees.

Needless to say this doesn't make sense for the Packers and will not happen, period.

TitleTown088
06-20-2008, 11:41 AM
nah but you insinuated it.

Anyways, apparently some four linebacker sets are being tested out...
Without divulging what the situation and other personnel were, the Packers had four linebackers on the field at one point: Brandon Chillar, A.J. Hawk, Nick Barnett and Brady Poppinga. I saw that on more than one occasion during the mini-camp.

GB12
06-20-2008, 11:46 AM
nah but you insinuated it.

Anyways, apparently some four linebacker sets are being tested out...
Hey there was some talk amongst us about doing that in the Vikings game last season. Now that we have a 4th linebacker who is actually worthy of being on the field it could be a possibility.

mqtirishfan
06-20-2008, 05:01 PM
I never said he would be traded to Miaimi. As the PFT article explains, IF he were to be traded to GB it's likely KGB would be released.

This makes no sense to me if we're in a win-now mode. Did KGB fall off that much during the off-season, or is he going to have some insane bonus we have to pay him if he isn't cut or something? If not, then I'd say keep the both of them (though I doubt we get Taylor).

princefielder28
06-20-2008, 07:59 PM
This makes no sense to me if we're in a win-now mode. Did KGB fall off that much during the off-season, or is he going to have some insane bonus we have to pay him if he isn't cut or something? If not, then I'd say keep the both of them (though I doubt we get Taylor).

When would KGB be utilized??? He's a pass rushing specialist and Taylor is a terrific pass rusher so KGB would never replace him on an evident passing down. Plus with Jeremy Thompson on the team now it would be up to three players who, at this point in time, would be helping the team alot more in passing situations than running.

Kampman for President
06-20-2008, 09:07 PM
nah but you insinuated it.

Anyways, apparently some four linebacker sets are being tested out...

I was referring to the link with direct quotes that you posted. Kind of obvious but whatever.

Kampman for President
06-20-2008, 09:10 PM
This makes no sense to me if we're in a win-now mode. Did KGB fall off that much during the off-season, or is he going to have some insane bonus we have to pay him if he isn't cut or something? If not, then I'd say keep the both of them (though I doubt we get Taylor).

I'm guessing that it has alot to do with the injuries upfront to many of our DTs and KGB.

This way we're basically playing the 3-4 which we have the potential to do with Kampman/Pickett/Jenkins upfront in the event that guys like Jolly and Harrell aren't at 100%

RockJock07
06-21-2008, 03:20 AM
After giving this some thought I wouldn't mind giving up a 2nd for Taylor. The two big things about this possible trade is draft pick(s) and Money.

Draft picks are important to TT but he trades back all the time anyways is it really that big of a deal to trade a 2nd on a team that doesn't have many holes to fill in the upcoming years.

Secondly, money and how much KGB and taylor makes no difference to me. We have money under the cap and TT always makes solid choices to keep this team there.

Overall, I'd love to see this team pick up Taylor. He's a great guy and a great player.

ImBrotherCain
06-22-2008, 08:01 PM
After what ive seen from Rouse last year, hes my starter for this season. 2 picks in the 3 games he started as a rookie, Collins could only dream to do that. His instincts are also incredible and seems to see the play develop before it actually happens. With Collins its basically see and then react which explains the lack of big plays. Collins is still a solid player but Rouse has so much more potential.

I really hate to say it but ive been saying this for awhile now. Rouse played OLB in college for his first 2 years before switching to the Rover position. He has 4.5 speed in a smaller linebackers body. In his senior year at VTech he owned the lunch box; which was awarded to the best defensive player. He is a natural athlete and has amazing work ethic. The only reason he seemed to drop so far was because he was kind of a tweener and wasnt seen to be able to play safety in the NFL but i think with his work ethic and amazing intangibles he will win the safety job over Collins this year.

GB12
06-22-2008, 08:30 PM
Am I the only one still on the Collins side of this debate?

princefielder28
06-22-2008, 08:43 PM
Am I the only one still on the Collins side of this debate?

I still support Nick Collins, but my belief is that others haven't seen that step up from Collins since he came to Green Bay and he has continued at a constant level for some time now. Aaron Rouse in his limited time last year brought some excitement with his play, and people are anxious to see what he can do if given the chance to start on a consistent basis; that is why people are jumping on his bandwagon.

Kampman for President
06-22-2008, 09:17 PM
I still support Nick Collins, but my belief is that others haven't seen that step up from Collins since he came to Green Bay and he has continued at a constant level for some time now. Aaron Rouse in his limited time last year brought some excitement with his play, and people are anxious to see what he can do if given the chance to start on a consistent basis; that is why people are jumping on his bandwagon.

Completely agree.

Its not that I don't like Nick Collins, its that he hasn't developed into the player that I want from a safety. He's a solid tackler but he lacks the instincts and hands to be at the very least a mild playmaker. Whereas Rouse has shown the ability to create turnovers plus still be a good tackler.

I want to get back to the days of LeRoy Butler and Darren Sharper in the secondary. I really think that Collins could have benefited from playing beside Sharper as a rookie though. But its Collin's 4th year so we have to say to ourselves, are we happy with his play because that's all we are going to get year in and year out? Personally I think we can do better.

ChezPower4
06-22-2008, 10:26 PM
Am I the only one still on the Collins side of this debate?

Collins is very solid, he's ok against the run and a decent pass defender. He does what out scheme calls for him to do, and thats it. Collins is a robot to the scheme, he is very athletic and has all the tools to make big plays for our defence but he just never does. That is what concerns me most. I would rather had a saftey that makes big plays for our defence(even if that means they make a couple more mistakes) to me rouse looks to be a very promising young saftey from what i saw last season and i would like to see what he could do if he were the stater for one full season.

Mr.Regular
06-22-2008, 10:37 PM
I agree. I like Collins, and he could still progres....but he hasn't and thats the problem. He hasnt improved like I wouldve liked and I have a feeling that he may not get any better than what he is now, which is really just average. Rouse showed flashes of playmaking skills, and with his physical abilities and intangibles he has a huge upside.... Ill wait until camp to pick a favourite to win the job but really Id love to see either one of them step up and show the staff they can be a difference maker, because an elite FS would really make our defense that much better.

PackerLegend
06-22-2008, 11:13 PM
Collins is alright, I like him but he has terrible hands and isnt progressing like he should. Rouse came in and played flashed some great potential and made some big plays something we havent seen in awhile from that safety spot. So naturally we are hungry for more.

I am also very excited to see what Atari Bigby can do in his 2nd year starting. He made some great plays last year.

ikabaad
06-22-2008, 11:30 PM
The only reason he seemed to drop so far was because he was kind of a tweener and wasnt seen to be able to play safety in the NFL but i think with his work ethic and amazing intangibles he will win the safety job over Collins this year.

another reason was because of his attitude. he would have been a 1st rounder if not for his antics in college, IMO

http://football.about.com/od/playerprofiles/p/aaronrouse.htm

it's no secret, there are several other sites that say pretty much the same thing. But, hopefully he is passed that and kicks some A.

ImBrotherCain
06-23-2008, 03:02 AM
I still support Nick Collins, but my belief is that others haven't seen that step up from Collins since he came to Green Bay and he has continued at a constant level for some time now. Aaron Rouse in his limited time last year brought some excitement with his play, and people are anxious to see what he can do if given the chance to start on a consistent basis; that is why people are jumping on his bandwagon.

Well being a VTech fan ive been high on the Rouse pick since day one seeing as we didnt have a decent safety duo. But with Bigby's play at the end of last season i think hes entrenched himself in to one of the roles and i really dont think people are jumping on the Rouse band wagon... I think its a matter of letting the best man play. Yes Collins is a solid player and hasn't done anything to be at the point where we should not be calling for his head *Cough* Carroll *Cough* but if we can take a step up and have a good maybe great safety why the hell not? By no means am i saying Rouse will be; but i sure want to give him a chance to be.

umphrey
06-23-2008, 03:15 AM
Carroll solid but unspectacular? lol. I don't dislike Collins, I'm just not content with his acceptance of mediocrity, and I think Rouse might even be the better athlete.

PACKmanN
06-23-2008, 03:16 AM
Completely agree.

Its not that I don't like Nick Collins, its that he hasn't developed into the player that I want from a safety. He's a solid tackler but he lacks the instincts and hands to be at the very least a mild playmaker. Whereas Rouse has shown the ability to create turnovers plus still be a good tackler.

I want to get back to the days of LeRoy Butler and Darren Sharper in the secondary. I really think that Collins could have benefited from playing beside Sharper as a rookie though. But its Collin's 4th year so we have to say to ourselves, are we happy with his play because that's all we are going to get year in and year out? Personally I think we can do better.

So if he hasn't developed do we not blame the Safety coaches? they still haven't put out a legit number one safety.

umphrey
06-23-2008, 03:18 AM
So if he hasn't developed do we not blame the Safety coaches? they still haven't put out a legit number one safety.

You can point to Bigby and say he was a huge success for them and to Collins and say he was a massive failure...If you bench an improving Rouse for Collins for this reason alone you aren't giving them a chance to redeem themselves.

Yatta!
06-23-2008, 03:32 AM
Collins should be the starter as of now, he at least deserves to be given a chance to show some improvement. I am perfectly happy with Rouse rotating in at either spot when necessary, I am not totally sold on Bigby yet either. However I do agree that Collins' attitude isn't great, that interview that someone posted on here was slightly worrying.

Kampman for President
06-23-2008, 05:12 AM
So if he hasn't developed do we not blame the Safety coaches? they still haven't put out a legit number one safety.

You can't teach instincts. Either you have them or you don't. People are also kind of hard on Bigby if you ask me too. He was a first year starter and he had a pretty good season. Yes he struggled at times but he started off hot and finished hot. Just remember he was the defensive player for the month of December and his big hit in the Seahawks game sparked the rest of the team.

ChezPower4
06-23-2008, 09:13 AM
So if he hasn't developed do we not blame the Safety coaches? they still haven't put out a legit number one safety.

Coaches can only do so much Collins is the one who has to go out and make the plays and do the extra things that are needed to improve. Coaches coach and players play.

"you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink."

NY+Giants=NYG
06-23-2008, 11:43 AM
Collins is alright, I like him but he has terrible hands and isnt progressing like he should. Rouse came in and played flashed some great potential and made some big plays something we havent seen in awhile from that safety spot. So naturally we are hungry for more.

I am also very excited to see what Atari Bigby can do in his 2nd year starting. He made some great plays last year.

I am breaking down the GB-Giants game, and so I am breaking down all of your defense, and that SS # 20 is a damn good player. Very aggressive, and plays with reckless abandon. I came away impressed with your defense that game. Very, very simple defense you guys run, but relys on football smarts, and speed, especially at the LB position. Good CBs are a fundamental part of your system, and it was fun to see you guys play defense. You guys keep it simple, and don't do anything too fancy, or didn't that game I should say.

umphrey
06-23-2008, 11:48 AM
I am breaking down the GB-Giants game, and so I am breaking down all of your defense, and that SS # 20 is a damn good player. Very aggressive, and plays with reckless abandon. I came away impressed with your defense that game. Very, very simple defense you guys run, but relys on football smarts, and speed, especially at the LB position. Good CBs are a fundamental part of your system, and it was fun to see you guys play defense. You guys keep it simple, and don't do anything too fancy, or didn't that game I should say.

Yeah sometimes that's a weakness and sometimes it's a strength. Against most teams we match up really well and our defense is dominant but when you have teams with elite receivers that are a mismatch for Harris or Woodson we struggle. Also multi WR sets can give us problems sometimes. When DAL put TO in motion a lot Harris had trouble jamming him.

We are supposed to be blitzing more this year. Last year there wasn't one member of the secondary with a QB hurry. I think Woodson and Bigby would both make great blitzers given the chance, as would Rouse if he starts.

NY+Giants=NYG
06-23-2008, 12:19 PM
Yeah sometimes that's a weakness and sometimes it's a strength. Against most teams we match up really well and our defense is dominant but when you have teams with elite receivers that are a mismatch for Harris or Woodson we struggle. Also multi WR sets can give us problems sometimes. When DAL put TO in motion a lot Harris had trouble jamming him.

We are supposed to be blitzing more this year. Last year there wasn't one member of the secondary with a QB hurry. I think Woodson and Bigby would both make great blitzers given the chance, as would Rouse if he starts.

Yeah I noticed that. You guys rarely blitz. Everything is pretty simple which is good for me, because it's easier breaking down the games. But usually your DTs are either head up on the guards at a 2T or at a 2i T. Your DEs are at a 6iT and your LBs are over the tackles, at a 40, 00, 40. Everything is mapped out pretty simple, and you guys use your speed on LB to get to the ball carrier, and plug passing lanes. The fact that your LBs and CBs have good skills gives offensives trouble finding someone to throw to.

I am pretty impressed with your defense during that game. But I like Bigby and I would say #56. Both played very well that game.

mqtirishfan
06-23-2008, 12:46 PM
/\ Yeah, Barnett is a monster. Barnett does not get the recognition he deserves on that defense by the media, and Hawk doesn't get enough love from the fans.

bigbluedefense
06-23-2008, 12:46 PM
Yeah I noticed that. You guys rarely blitz. Everything is pretty simple which is good for me, because it's easier breaking down the games. But usually your DTs are either head up on the guards at a 2T or at a 2i T. Your DEs are at a 6iT and your LBs are over the tackles, at a 40, 00, 40. Everything is mapped out pretty simple, and you guys use your speed on LB to get to the ball carrier, and plug passing lanes. The fact that your LBs and CBs have good skills gives offensives trouble finding someone to throw to.

I am pretty impressed with your defense during that game. But I like Bigby and I would say #56. Both played very well that game.

I love their defense. Their defense is amazing talent wise. Me personally, I think the coaching staff is holding that defense back with such a simple philosophy. That defense, as good as it is, is even better than what it seems because theyre so easy for an offense to read and gameplan against.

With a better coordinator, that defense could be top 3 in the league easy.

bigbluedefense
06-23-2008, 12:47 PM
Barnett is a beast. Hawk is an NFL MIKE playing WILL, which sucks for him, but you can't bench Barnett.

Kampman has been the best/most consistent 2 way DE in the league the past 2 years.

NY+Giants=NYG
06-23-2008, 01:33 PM
I love their defense. Their defense is amazing talent wise. Me personally, I think the coaching staff is holding that defense back with such a simple philosophy. That defense, as good as it is, is even better than what it seems because theyre so easy for an offense to read and gameplan against.

With a better coordinator, that defense could be top 3 in the league easy.

Remember that defensive coach, I talk Xs and Os with. Well since I am breaking this game down, we have been talking and agree. Good defense, but very simple. Alot of C2 man, and sometimes C1 man free. Alittle C3 as well, but very straight forward with their coverages, and even their techniques they play isn't that complex. No real 4-3 under, over, wink, sink, under wink, and all that non sense. They stick to the traditional 4-3, where the techniques are:


#51 (40) #56 (00) #50 (40)

6i-2 (or 2i)- 2 or (2i)- 6i Cb (pressed 1 yard off)

I agree that defense is very conservative for the talent level. Kind of reminds of Tim Lewis, screwing us up. See what an aggressive coordinator did for us? We got rid of two fools, dumb and dumber, and we won the superbowl. Talent, for us, was never in question, it was the way it was utilized and our two idiots did a hall of fame job in screwing us up.

I would like to see their defense more aggressive especially since their SS is good. They have a solid defense, but I think the fact they are conservative, or were that game, hindered them.

But I am in the 3rd quarter, 6 minutes left in it, and so should be done this week.

I also documented all their offensive formations they used, and diagramed their passing and rushing plays. Interesting to see how they draw up both.

jackalope
06-23-2008, 02:14 PM
Well, from what I've been reading the defense will be much more aggressive blitzing this season.

GB12
06-23-2008, 04:02 PM
I am breaking down the GB-Giants game, and so I am breaking down all of your defense, and that SS # 20 is a damn good player. Very aggressive, and plays with reckless abandon.People are also kind of hard on Bigby if you ask me too.
His style of play with the big hits and aggressiveness I think scared some of the more knowledgeable fans away thinking that might be all he was and hoping he wasn't just another Roy Williams. I kind of had that feeling early on, but just watching him more and more you could see the potential. The playoffs really sold me that he can be an all around safety. His coverage was very good particularally the play on Marcus Pollard, that was a beautiful play.

You can't teach instincts. Either you have them or you don't. People are also kind of hard on Bigby if you ask me too. He was a first year starter and he had a pretty good season. Yes he struggled at times but he started off hot and finished hot. Just remember he was the defensive player for the month of December and his big hit in the Seahawks game sparked the rest of the team.
If he was a first round pick people would be singing his praises, same thing kind of with Ryan Grant if he was a high draft pick everyone would be sold on him already like they're calling Adrian Peterson the best back in the league (not to that extent, but still). Strange how it works that way, it shouldn't but that's how it is. I guess it has a lot to do with name recognition. Before the season not many knew who those two were, including us Packer fans on Grant. I don't know what the reason for Nick Barnett is. He was a first round pick and is constantly underated.

I love their defense. Their defense is amazing talent wise. Me personally, I think the coaching staff is holding that defense back with such a simple philosophy. That defense, as good as it is, is even better than what it seems because theyre so easy for an offense to read and gameplan against.

With a better coordinator, that defense could be top 3 in the league easy.
That is probably true that the philosophy is holding it back, but I do like the Jim Bates defense we're using. We just have to throw in some more blitzes and mix it up a bit. I think Bob Sanders is a fine defensive coordinator he just has to be a little more aggressive. There have been reports that we have been working on that for much of mini camp including safety blitzes, four linebacker sets, and all kinds of stuff. It seems like they're really opening up the playbook this season which will do exactly what you're suggesting.
Barnett is a beast. Hawk is an NFL MIKE playing WILL, which sucks for him, but you can't bench Barnett.

Kampman has been the best/most consistent 2 way DE in the league the past 2 years.
I'd like to see Hawk at MLB just for the hell of it. No way I would even think about moving Barnett because he has been one of the best in the NFC, but it'd be cool to see. Apparently Hawk has taken snaps at MLB so maybe it's something we could see a bit of in the preseason.

Favre4ever
06-23-2008, 07:26 PM
I am breaking down the GB-Giants game, and so I am breaking down all of your defense, and that SS # 20 is a damn good player. Very aggressive, and plays with reckless abandon. I came away impressed with your defense that game. Very, very simple defense you guys run, but relys on football smarts, and speed, especially at the LB position. Good CBs are a fundamental part of your system, and it was fun to see you guys play defense. You guys keep it simple, and don't do anything too fancy, or didn't that game I should say.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Your thoughts just described Nick Collins perfectly; good fundamentaly, disciplined, simple. We are never going to get more from him and thats the problem. Like many have said, Rouse did more than Collins in only 3 games he has started which make us wonder what he can do over 16 games. I just hope that the coaches dont give away the starting spot too quickly to Collins and make a competitive camp.

I see that you are impressed with Bigby...I must admit that he has won me over after his playoff performance. I think that Bigby could turn out to be our own Bob Sanders (the player) if we can use him like the colts do. Blitz him, put him in the box, and moving him around a bit.

Kampman for President
06-23-2008, 08:05 PM
The Associated Press reports the Green Bay Packers have shown interest in free-agent RB Kevin Jones (Lions).

Per KFFL.

Mr.Regular
06-23-2008, 08:48 PM
I am enjoying this Nick Barnett love. He deserves it. One of the most underrated defenders in the NFL.

And interesting point on Hawk being a more natural fit at MIKE. Ive thought that at times too, but hes been progressing very nicely at WILL. Our schemes dont call for monstrous numbers that other WILL's might see, but he is getting better and better. Playing beside such a stud in Barnett helps;)

bigbluedefense
06-23-2008, 09:08 PM
Its not just adding blitzes, your DC has to do a better job disguising coverages. The gameplan was so simple, in the NFC Championship game I knew what your D was doing literally 80% of the time presnap. If it was that obvious to me, a fan, imagine how obvious it was for Eli to read.

As for Barnett, I love the guy. Dude is a beast, plain and simple. Hawk is a beast too, but he's just a solid guy at WILL. He could be a beast at MIKE, but thats a sticky situation that you guys really have no way out of unless you trade one of the 2.

Not to mention Hodge is a solid MIKE rotting on the bench. You guys have 3 MIKEs that would beast it for any other 4-3 team, and you can only start one.

GB12
06-23-2008, 09:12 PM
Its not just adding blitzes, your DC has to do a better job disguising coverages. The gameplan was so simple, in the NFC Championship game I knew what your D was doing literally 80% of the time presnap. If it was that obvious to me, a fan, imagine how obvious it was for Eli to read.

As for Barnett, I love the guy. Dude is a beast, plain and simple. Hawk is a beast too, but he's just a solid guy at WILL. He could be a beast at MIKE, but thats a sticky situation that you guys really have no way out of unless you trade one of the 2.

Not to mention Hodge is a solid MIKE rotting on the bench. You guys have 3 MIKEs that would beast it for any other 4-3 team, and you can only start one.
We really need to try and trade Hodge. He has no real value to us because of what you mentioned above and if Barnett got injured we could play Chillar there until he got back or if was an extended period of time we could try Hawk in the middle. I have liked Hodge since his days at Iowa, but he's pretty much useless to us.