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PackerLegend
02-27-2009, 04:50 PM
Apparently Packers are interested in Canty and have contacted his agent.

Where have you seen this? Besides him have the Packers even talked to anyone?

A 2nd rounder for Tony G??? uhh no he may only play 1 more year 2 tops. Yes he would be a huge help, maybe a 3rd if he plays 2 more but still might as well draft someone.

Anyone think we should have traded for K2? Although id hate losing a 2nd he would make our passing attack rape even more.

GB12
02-27-2009, 04:50 PM
Canty is going to get 50-60 million. A 3-4 DE shouldn't make that much.
He's looking for about what Tommy Kelly got: 7 years $50 million. That would be worth it. It's a lot of money, but we need another end badly. There are some players on the roster that could potential fill that role, but for a good proven player we should give him the money. Adding Canty would go a long way to giving us a good 3-4. 3-4 DEs are not as important as some other positions in the 3-4, but you still need good players there if you want it to work. You can't just throw any big body at that position and expect them to fill the role. If we pair Canty with Cullen Jenkins we are in great shape there instead of it being a weakness. We'd be in great shape with 2/3 of our DL for years to come.

Chris Canty is only 26. A 7 year contract would take him to 33 which is the perfect length for us. Say he gets a little more than Kelly at $53 million. That is a lot of money, but it would be put to good use. After a couple of years pass he'd be underpaid compared to the contracts given out at that time and he'll be great value one we get to the third year of the deal. We have been paying KGB $7.7 million. That'll be coming off the books and at the 7 year $53 million deal for Canty it'd be less than that. Last year Justin Smith signed a deal that paid just as much per year as it would for Canty and Canty is a much better player and fit for the 3-4. For an average 3-4 DE, no that's not a good price to pay, but to get Canty it would be well worth it.

He's a good player that would greatly improve our defense. He is a significant upgrade over any other possible option this offseason. This is the kind of free agent you sign.

umphrey
02-27-2009, 05:04 PM
Chris Canty is only 26. A 7 year contract would take him to 33 which is the perfect length for us. Say he gets a little more than Kelly at $53 million. That is a lot of money, but it would be put to good use. After a couple of years pass he'd be underpaid compared to the contracts given out at that time and he'll be great value one we get to the third year of the deal.

Yeah I was thinking about that a lot today. These massive contracts will be bargains in 3-4 years. Not the top ones like Haynesworth, but it's true for the middle and lower tiers.

TitleTown088
02-27-2009, 05:20 PM
getting heated... The Packers contacted Blank at the start of free agency late Thursday night to express their interest, though they also warned they generally don’t move early in free agency. However, their interest has escalated, and they called again today to set up a visit for Canty early next week.

Blank said he gave the Packers a general idea of the contract Canty appears in line for and the team’s co-director of football operations, Reggie McKenzie, said the Packers still want him to visit as soon as possible after Seattle. The Packers in recent years have not pursued a free agent who has drawn this level of interest at the start of free agency, so if they bring Canty in they’ll be breaking new ground under General Manager Ted Thompson.

“It’s a perfect situation for him because of the 3-4,” Blank said of the Packers. “These other teams are 4-3.”


http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/ic/blogs/insider/index.shtml

PackerLegend
02-27-2009, 05:46 PM
Well Canty hopefully your smart and say **** the 4-3 and come to the 3-4 Packers!

Yatta!
02-27-2009, 06:08 PM
Anyone know how much Olshansky is said to be looking for?

Either he or Canty would be good signings, but I am slightly wary of Canty's supposed demands.

jackalope
02-27-2009, 06:11 PM
If we were to sign Canty I'd feel a lot more confident in our 3-4. It sounds like they're really trying to make something happen.

GB12
02-27-2009, 06:12 PM
Anyone know how much Olshansky is said to be looking for?

Either he or Canty would be good signings, but I am slightly wary of Canty's supposed demands.
As long as Canty is still on the market it really doesn't matter. It'd be a mistake to choose Olshansky over Canty no matter how much less he costs. I'd look into Olshansky if we don't get Canty, but he is a very distant second option.

Fricken Bart Scott just got 6 years $48 million, I'd give Canty 7/55 without question.

princefielder28
02-27-2009, 06:55 PM
If we were to sign Canty I'd feel a lot more confident in our 3-4. It sounds like they're really trying to make something happen.

It would certainly make the transition alot easier for the front 7

Sportsfan486
02-27-2009, 07:01 PM
It would certainly make the transition alot easier for the front 7

If I'm not mistaken if we did sign Canty it would pretty much solidify (more or less) 6 of that front 7.

Canty, Pickett, Jenkins
Kampman, Barnett, Hawk, ___

So if we draft a rush OLB at the nine spot we'll be pretty set. Biggest concern with the defense would be no backup NT, imo.

Boston
02-27-2009, 08:06 PM
Question: Which player our we more in need of, a NT, or an OLB?

PACKmanN
02-27-2009, 08:10 PM
NT without a doubt. It depends on what they do with Harrell. If they keep him at 320 then him and Pickett rotating are not a bad option compared to what we have at OLB.

GB12
02-27-2009, 09:47 PM
Question: Which player our we more in need of, a NT, or an OLB?
OLB. At NT we have Ryan Pickett, who might be able to get it done. I have some doubts, but he is capable of filling the role. At OLB right now we have Brady Poppinga. I think Poppinga is a great player to have as a backup, but I know he is not a starter in the 3-4.

someone447
02-28-2009, 12:24 AM
OLB. At NT we have Ryan Pickett, who might be able to get it done. I have some doubts, but he is capable of filling the role. At OLB right now we have Brady Poppinga. I think Poppinga is a great player to have as a backup, but I know he is not a starter in the 3-4.

I'm not so sure of that, his strength is rushing the passer. He was a DE in college(until his senior year). But I would definitely prefer to have an elite OLB opposite Kampmann. But I think Poppinga fits in the 3-4 better than he does in the 4-3.

I also have no doubt that Pickett can get it done. But I think Gilbert Brown needs to come back. I don't care how old he is. His 900 lbs of man meat can hold the line even if he is 80.

GB12
02-28-2009, 12:37 AM
I'm not so sure of that, his strength is rushing the passer. He was a DE in college(until his senior year). But I would definitely prefer to have an elite OLB opposite Kampmann. But I think Poppinga fits in the 3-4 better than he does in the 4-3.

I also have no doubt that Pickett can get it done. But I think Gilbert Brown needs to come back. I don't care how old he is. His 900 lbs of man meat can hold the line even if he is 80.
Poppinga is simply not a talented enough player to be a starting 3-4 OLB. I think he fits the scheme well and is a nice option to have as a backup, but I definitely do not want him starting. His pass rushing is overrated though. He was given plenty of opportunities this past season and didn't get a single sack. In fact he hasn't had a single sack since 2006. When we put him at DE in nickle situations he didn't even get a pass rush. Also, holy crap, he'll be 30 in September. I mean I've always known he was older because of that Morman mission he did before college, but he's even older than Kampman. I think that puts him as the 5th oldest on the whole team.


His 900 lbs of man meat can hold the line
uhhhh

GB12
02-28-2009, 12:43 AM
So it looks like Tampa Bay is going to steal Cole from us. That means we'll have zero NT depth. We better sign Canty and then try Harrell at NT now. Otherwise we have to take either Raji or Brace in the draft. I mean I want Brace anyway, but we don't want to be in a position where we need him so badly we have to reach.

Burger
02-28-2009, 01:40 AM
I wouldnt mind trading down from our early second to the mid and late second if Clay Matthews Jr. is Taken, or if we get a OLB in the first.

someone447
02-28-2009, 02:12 AM
So it looks like Tampa Bay is going to steal Cole from us. That means we'll have zero NT depth. We better sign Canty and then try Harrell at NT now. Otherwise we have to take either Raji or Brace in the draft. I mean I want Brace anyway, but we don't want to be in a position where we need him so badly we have to reach.

I really want Raji, a stud NT like that makes the 3-4 tick. Imagine a line of Jenkins, Canty, and Pickett/Raji. That would just be amazing. Then pick up an OLB in the second, because I honestly believe Poppinga can handle it as a stop gap measure. I wouldn't want him there long term, but you win by building up the trenches.

Yatta!
02-28-2009, 05:47 AM
I really want Raji, a stud NT like that makes the 3-4 tick.

Raji would be my top choice as well, there are only about 3 real NTs in the whole draft whereas there figures to be plenty of solid OLBs in the 2nd and even the 3rd. To me the gap between Raji - Brace - Hill is much greater than that between say Everette Brown - Sintim - Cody Brown.

Wallzy
02-28-2009, 11:29 AM
If we settle on Poppinga to start at OLB, and Kampman struggles at all in his transition outside - how do we generate pressure?!? We'd be at the bottom of the league. There seem to be a lot of potential pass rushing OLBs in the first 50 picks. Altho TT has said he doesnt want to trade #9, I wouldnt be the least bit surprised if he did. Unless he loves Orakpo, Brown or Maybin (altho I think Orakpo or Brown will be gone), we might want to move down for English, Matthews, Cushing, or Barwin.

That is why I like the idea of training Harrell at the nose. The other guy I'd love taking a flyer on in the 3rd round is Terrance Taylor out of Michigan. He is an underachiever, but he's got the physical tools to become a true NT. I think we'd provide a great situation for a guy like that to come in and succeed.

Wallzy
02-28-2009, 11:38 AM
You know what my favourite part of this discussion is? No one is talking about Jenkins anymore!!! I think we've realized our needs in the front 5 are far greater than depth in the secondary, both in the short-term and the long-term.

TitleTown088
02-28-2009, 11:46 AM
So it looks like Tampa Bay is going to steal Cole from us. That means we'll have zero NT depth. We better sign Canty and then try Harrell at NT now. Otherwise we have to take either Raji or Brace in the draft. I mean I want Brace anyway, but we don't want to be in a position where we need him so badly we have to reach.

They can have him. Having Cole play NT would not be good. I don't even want him for depth really, rather find someone else.

Whistler6
02-28-2009, 12:18 PM
Hey guys...this has been posted in every single forum on here so I thought I'd let you know Cassel to Chiefs. Love to stay and chat, but I gotta go post it in the Off Topic Forum now. jk

cuzifelt1ikeit
02-28-2009, 12:37 PM
i dont really think that ted will take connor barwin.. hes doesnt really seem like hte kind of guy who would risk a late first/second on someone who has never played linebacker and only one season at defensive end. i think when you pick someone like that because you think your coaching staff can mold him into something great is being a little ignorant myself...

id love to see raji with our fist pick and matthews with our second pick.

jsa230
02-28-2009, 03:00 PM
what about sidbury in the second? i havent seen him in any game sit. but he has the size, speed plus those long arms. He might not be a tt guy but i think he fits in the 34 more so than the 43. you can't count out ol in the 2nd. hopefully thompson doesn't draft a receiver. Im all for raji in the first. its funny the more you hear rajis character issues put to rest the more you hear about the packers drafting him.

PACKmanN
02-28-2009, 03:59 PM
Two business jets, owned by by men that sit on GB Packers board of directors, one known for sure to be used by the Packers (plane that Murphy used to talk to Favre in Mississippi), left the GB airport earlier today.

One went to Scottsdale, Az, (N599GB), it was on the ground for 25 minutes before turning around and heading back to GB. It is scheduled to land in GB at 5:02.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N599GB

One went to Ft. Myers, Fl, (N531RQ), it's on final approach into Ft. Myers, and has a return trip in the system scheduled to take off 26 minutes after landing, and is currently scheduled to land in GB at 6:04.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N531RQ


COPIED AND PASTED FROM ANOTHER FORUM. Someone needs to go to the Green Bay Airport and check out who coming in from this link.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N599GB

TitleTown088
02-28-2009, 04:34 PM
Two business jets, owned by by men that sit on GB Packers board of directors, one known for sure to be used by the Packers (plane that Murphy used to talk to Favre in Mississippi), left the GB airport earlier today.

One went to Scottsdale, Az, (N599GB), it was on the ground for 25 minutes before turning around and heading back to GB. It is scheduled to land in GB at 5:02.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N599GB

One went to Ft. Myers, Fl, (N531RQ), it's on final approach into Ft. Myers, and has a return trip in the system scheduled to take off 26 minutes after landing, and is currently scheduled to land in GB at 6:04.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N531RQ


COPIED AND PASTED FROM ANOTHER FORUM. Someone needs to go to the Green Bay Airport and check out who coming in from this link.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N599GB

Ha. I remember these poping up during free agency last year. Nothing came of it. As ludicrous as it sounds, looking at private jets to green bay could actually be useful because not many private jets come there in comparison to other large cities.

PACKmanN
02-28-2009, 04:40 PM
Ha. I remember these poping up during free agency last year. Nothing came of it. As ludicrous as it sounds, looking at private jets to green bay could actually be useful because not many private jets come there in comparison to other large cities.

wasn't that how we found out about Moss and Woodson being in Green Bay?

TitleTown088
02-28-2009, 04:41 PM
wasn't that how we found out about Moss and Woodson being in Green Bay?
Moss never was in Green Bay. That was complete BS.

PackerLegend
02-28-2009, 05:06 PM
lol tracking flights bad***... interesting atleast and hopefully its atleast a free agent we are talking to. Who knows for sure but any guesses if it was indeed free agents?

greenbaysurf
02-28-2009, 07:42 PM
I grew up right near the airport and the casino and i never herd of this stuff untill now

I kind of wish i did when i still lived there. wehn i was a kid we ding dong ditched farve in king of arms. just to say we did it i guess. i remember the biggest FA move ever Reggie moving into his house next to my school. on dancing dunes off of 9th st.

We need some solid fa's and this is a thin year. but woodson and pickt were good and chillar is good. another mid level will be alright if it helps the team at all. Canty would be awsome. he is like Sean Jones. love it..

Whistler6
02-28-2009, 09:17 PM
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20090228/PKR01/90228061/1058&referrer=NEWSFRONTCAROUSEL

Canty's agent calling out Ted Thompson?
------------

“Seattle’s up now,” Blank said. “That can change (though). One phone call from the Packers or Broncos or San Francisco or Tennessee, or someone I haven’t even talked to yet, can change that.”

Blank on Saturday spoke to Reggie McKenzie, the Packers’ co-director of football operations, who told him the team still wants Canty in for a visit after first expressing that desire Friday. But Blank wants to hear from General Manager Ted Thompson directly whether the Packers are in Canty’s financial ballpark before scheduling a visit to Green Bay.

...“Reggie said he told Ted the parameters I was talking,” Blank said. “Ted didn’t say no. He didn’t say yes, but he didn’t say no.”

greenbaysurf
02-28-2009, 09:32 PM
I don't know why cant would want to go to seatle or san fran. neither place would give him the pub that he needs to be a well known name. our D is getting a fresh start, and he can too. he has been consistantly solid for dallas but is young enough to still break out. at six seven three bills, he can be our sean jones

TitleTown088
02-28-2009, 09:32 PM
The stars are aligning perhaps...?

NAVY
02-28-2009, 10:38 PM
Canty.... It does seem like the best fit. but the pack hardly ever pays the top dollar. When it comes down to it, everyone wants the money.

GB12
02-28-2009, 11:11 PM
I want Canty so damn bad. The past couple years when we sat out of free agency except for Chillar, I was perfectly fine with it. There was no one out there worth signing for the price. This year I will be very pissed off if we do nothing. Canty is exactly what we need, sign him up.

jackalope
02-28-2009, 11:41 PM
I want Canty so damn bad. The past couple years when we sat out of free agency except for Chillar, I was perfectly fine with it. There was no one out there worth signing for the price. This year I will be very pissed off if we do nothing. Canty is exactly what we need, sign him up.

Agreed. I've really liked the way TT has handled free agency with Green Bay, but I would like to see him finally spend some big money. This move could go a long way in making the 3-4 work.

PackerLegend
03-01-2009, 12:16 AM
I want him as well but Ted just gives me a bad feeling he wont. Sure hope he proves me wrong. Resign Tauscher and Bigby while your at it. Can we resign Bigby to a longer deal, or is he playing for the $ that the tender gave him.

GB12
03-01-2009, 12:20 AM
We already resigned Bigby as an RFA. No reason to give him more than that right now.

TitleTown088
03-01-2009, 11:29 AM
Apparently Canty is seeking 8 mil a year and almost 20 guaranteed. I'm not so sure Teddy will dish that out.

cuzifelt1ikeit
03-01-2009, 11:44 AM
Apparently Canty is seeking 8 mil a year and almost 20 guaranteed. I'm not so sure Teddy will dish that out.

i think he will give something very close to it. im pretty sure he is just playing a version of hard to get. the agent wants a call from ted to know that the packers interest is genuine. but how is it not genuine? how many players do we fly in without the intent of signing? the more teams he visits the longer he has to wait to sign somewhere which ultimately drives down the price tag. and if some team wants to bust the bank to give him the contract he wants, then let them. canty would be a great pickup this year, but theres always someone serviceable out there for less; atleast thats teds motto ha.

PackerLegend
03-01-2009, 12:14 PM
Like Ben Taylor, Marquand Manuel, Arturo Freeman, Earl Little, Marc Boerighter, Billy Cundiff, Adrian Klemm, Matt O' Dwyer.......

Even guys like Robert Thomas, Kendrick Allen, Rod Gardner, and Dave Rayner. Not sure if all were free agents

scottyboy
03-01-2009, 12:24 PM
Schefter reported Canty is still in NY. He also said Seattle and GB are expected to offer more, but the chance to play for the Giants might make the difference. We'll see what happens. It's also snowing and ugly weather around here which may delay his flight. Also read somewhere the Pack are willing to up their offer...I'll try and find it for you guys

GB12
03-01-2009, 12:34 PM
Apparently Canty is seeking 8 mil a year and almost 20 guaranteed. I'm not so sure Teddy will dish that out.
I have a really strong feeling that Thompson wants Canty and we will sign him. That is a fine contract, get it done.

LonghornsLegend
03-01-2009, 12:37 PM
Sounds like you guys are making a push for Canty and have beat the offer NY offered, I think he'd make alot more sense staying in the 3-4 especially for a team who needs players who fit that scheme specifically.

cuzifelt1ikeit
03-01-2009, 12:41 PM
Sounds like you guys are making a push for Canty and have beat the offer NY offered, I think he'd make alot more sense staying in the 3-4 especially for a team who needs players who fit that scheme specifically.

i like the sound of that. where are you guys reading about all this at?

PackerLegend
03-01-2009, 12:44 PM
I have a really strong feeling that Thompson wants Canty and we will sign him. That is a fine contract, get it done.

Hopefully your right, because I feel he wont.

TitleTown088
03-01-2009, 12:52 PM
Hopefully your right, because I feel he wont.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/03/breaking-packers-making-push-for-canty/

I have a feeling me and you may be wrongo. ;)

DO it TT, DO it.

GB12
03-01-2009, 12:55 PM
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/03/breaking-packers-making-push-for-canty/

I have a feeling me and you may be wrongo. ;)

DO it TT, DO it.
Nice.

Also Cole is meeting with Seattle right now. So I guess hope they sign him so hopefully they don't even bring in Canty anymore.

GB12
03-01-2009, 01:12 PM
Cole signed a 5 year deal with Seattle, which is about 3 more than I wanted him for. I'm sure they overpaid too. Now that'd be great if they aren't interested in Canty anymore.

TitleTown088
03-01-2009, 01:13 PM
Cole signed a 5 year deal with Seattle, which is about 3 more than I wanted him for. I'm sure they overpaid too. Now that'd be great if they aren't interested in Canty anymore.

Especially if they got Hous too. Canty to GB is looking real good right meow.

GB12
03-01-2009, 01:16 PM
Especially if they got Hous too. Canty to GB is looking real good right meow.
It's almost looking like a done deal.

Seattle just signed Cole.

New York won't be able to come close money wise with all they have on the DL already.

I don't know why the hell he'd choose San Fransisco over us.

Really Tennessee is the only rumored suitor left besides Green Bay that makes sense, and it seems like we've always been ahead of them.

princefielder28
03-01-2009, 01:24 PM
Canty! Canty! Canty!

GB12
03-01-2009, 01:49 PM
Time to deflate the hope baloon.

Contrary to the nfpost.com's report (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/03/breaking-packers-making-push-for-canty/) that the Packers were also making a hard push for Canty, Blank said nothing close to a contract offer had come from the Packers. In fact, Blank had trouble getting the Packers on the phone this morning and had not yet heard from Ted Thompson.
"I don't feel -- at this moment and this could change -- any form of representation from the Packers that I'm going to get a deal from them," Blank said. "And you know the old saying: one in the hand is worth two in the bush."


And now time to fill it right back up
Just as Blank said those words, Packers negotiator Russ Ball beeped in and the two are currently talking.

Yatta!
03-01-2009, 01:53 PM
I think we're in the driving seat here, hopefully we can get this done sooner rather than later.

PackerLegend
03-01-2009, 01:58 PM
Teds to much of a maybe guy he doesn't necessarily give you the yes or no. Like earlier someone posted a link asking if Canty's price was in the Packers range. He basically said i don't know. I will keep my balloon deflated until he signs the dotted line if he ever does with GB. No reason to get excited over something that hasn't happened yet.

PACKmanN
03-01-2009, 02:08 PM
It's almost looking like a done deal.

Seattle just signed Cole.

New York won't be able to come close money wise with all they have on the DL already.

I don't know why the hell he'd choose San Fransisco over us.

Really Tennessee is the only rumored suitor left besides Green Bay that makes sense, and it seems like we've always been ahead of them.

The 49ers will overpay for anyone they want, the weather and nightlife could also play a factor after living in Dallas for how many years.

Tenn has Jones who is exactly like Canty, if the money isn't right I doubt they get involved.

Not only does Seattle sign Cole means that there chance of Canty being a Packer increased but so did the chance of Raji being a Packer did too.

TitleTown088
03-01-2009, 02:10 PM
If Ball is involved things are getting serious. Nice.

TitleTown088
03-01-2009, 02:25 PM
Some good news and some bad.
While we're waiting to see the result of Russ Ball's call to Brad Blank, Chris Canty's agent, Mike Garofolo at the Newark Star-Ledger reports the Giants and Canty are not far apart on a contract:

Someone in the know said the gap is in guarantees and structure and that the sides are close on overall value. Not sure how far apart on guarantees, but that sounds like a gulf that could be bridged. We'll see.

By the way, the Seahawks are now officially out of the picture for Canty.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/40506462.html




By Greg A. Bedard of the Journal Sentinel
Mar. 1, 2009 2:36 p.m.

Green Bay -- That phone call from Packers contract negotiator Russ Ball to Brad Blank, Chris Canty's agent, resulted in no contract offer, according to Blank.

"He gave me a nice speech," Blank wrote in an email minutes ago. "Packers still want Chris to visit and that may happen. But in meantime (we) will try to workout a deal with Giants."



he quick-to-change calendar of Cowboys free-agent Chris Canty has taken another turn.

Canty's with the Giants today, and there's a chance the club could work out a deal to poach the versatile defensive lineman from their NFC East rival. Canty likes what he's seen with New York's people, and loves the idea of living on the East Coast.

But if it doesn't work out, Green Bay is sitting in the on-deck circle. Canty will head to Wisconsin if he doesn't have a contract with the Giants.

Green Bay makes sense for Canty, since they are installing a 3-4 defense. Canty has been a 3-4 end for his entire career, and played under ex-Dallas DC Brian Stewart -- who coached under new Green Bay DC Dom Capers in Houston -- the last two seasons. http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/real_scouts/entry/view/17687/canty_planning_on_going_to_packers_next

Whistler6
03-01-2009, 03:37 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/02/27/signings/index.html?eref=T1

"...I expect Canty to be wearing Giants blue before long"
-Don Banks

princefielder28
03-01-2009, 03:41 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

I was so happy when it looked like he was a strong favorite to come here but now I am not so happy :(

TitleTown088
03-01-2009, 03:43 PM
“It’s the Giants to win or lose,” Blank said.



but for now Canty is considering two teams.

“It’s either going to be the Packers or the Giants,” Blank said.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/ic/blogs/insider/index.shtml
perplexing.

GB12
03-01-2009, 03:43 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/02/27/signings/index.html?eref=T1

"...I expect Canty to be wearing Giants blue before long"
-Don Banks
I don't know about that.

Giants | Not believed to go over $6 million for Canty
Sun, 01 Mar 2009 11:52:46 -0800
Ralph Vacchiano (http://www.kffl.com/link/239), of the New York Daily News (http://www.kffl.com/link/238), reports the New York Giants (http://www.kffl.com/team/26/nfl) are not believed to be willing to offer unrestricted free-agent DE Chris Canty (http://www.kffl.com/player/11547/nfl) (Cowboys) more than $5 million or $6 million a year. However, Canty is still in New York meeting with the Giants (http://www.kffl.com/team/26/nfl) and the team would still like to sign him, according to his agent Brad Blank.
5 or 6 is a huge difference from the 7 or 8 we'd give him.

Also

Packers | Stepping up efforts to sign Canty
Sun, 01 Mar 2009 12:40:07 -0800
Adam Schefter, of the NFL (http://www.kffl.com/team/77/nfl) Network, reports the Green Bay Packers (http://www.kffl.com/team/17/nfl) have stepped up their efforts to sign unrestricted free-agent DE Chris Canty (http://www.kffl.com/player/11547/nfl) (Cowboys).




Colin Cole's deal with Seattle was for 5 years, $21 million. I wanted him back, but for nowhere near that many years or that much money. Over $4 million per year for Colin Cole? No thanks.

princefielder28
03-01-2009, 03:45 PM
And GB12 steps up to make me happy again :)

TitleTown088
03-01-2009, 03:48 PM
Colin Cole's deal with Seattle was for 5 years, $21 million. I wanted him back, but for nowhere near that many years or that much money. Over $4 million per year for Colin Cole? No thanks.

4 mil a year for Colin Cole? ahaha

cuzifelt1ikeit
03-01-2009, 03:54 PM
i think seattle falling out of the plans really kicks us in the pants. he can now stay in new york until tuesday and chit chat all day long with the giants since we gave our coaches the weekend off

PACKmanN
03-01-2009, 03:54 PM
lol, two years ago he was the 5th DT on our roster, this year he was a back up, now he makes 4.2 million a year.

Whistler6
03-01-2009, 03:59 PM
Seattle signing Cole helps the chance of Raji falling. Still would Raji step in an immediately be better than 6' 1'' 330 lb Colin Cole?

The article I was reading says Canty wouldn't be able to come to Green bay until tuesday BECAUSE, get this, because the Packers gave their coaches the weekend off. Hahah really?!... Come on guys, Canty would be impact player right away!

GB12
03-01-2009, 03:59 PM
Son of a mother ******* *****.

Canty signed with New York

princefielder28
03-01-2009, 04:01 PM
Son of a mother ******* *****.

Canty signed with New York

WTF!?

How the hell does this happen?

TitleTown088
03-01-2009, 04:03 PM
******* piece of **** Giants. I hate them even more now. Of Ted wanted him badly they handled the situation pretty badly.


Mike Wright or Igor please.

Whistler6
03-01-2009, 04:05 PM
well Canty's agent was hoping to visit Green Bay Sunday night..

But he thinks okay Green Bay's front office gave their coaches the weekend off, sooo I guess Canty isn't as much of a priority? Well, if Green Bay is going to make us wait, they must not want my client. We'll take a million or 2 less, stay on the East Coast and bright lights of NYC, and play on a SuperBowl contender next season.. Sorry TT, your just not "cool" enough for my guy Canty.

Green Bay -- That phone call from Packers contract negotiator Russ Ball to Brad Blank, Chris Canty's agent, resulted in no contract offer, according to Blank.

"He gave me a nice speech," Blank wrote in an email minutes ago.

F*** Y** Ted... Rash I know, but very frustrating

PACKmanN
03-01-2009, 04:11 PM
well Canty's agent was hoping to visit Green Bay Sunday night..

But he thinks okay Green Bay's front office gave their coaches the weekend off, sooo I guess Canty isn't as much of a priority? Well, if Green Bay is going to make us wait, they must not want my client. We'll take a million or 2 less, stay on the East Coast and bright lights of NYC, and play on a SuperBowl contender next season.. Sorry TT, your just not "cool" enough for my guy Canty.

That's what it came down to. Wanting to stay in the NFC East and the bright lights of NYC.

PackerLegend
03-01-2009, 04:20 PM
Hey what do you know I was right. Did I not say TT would drop the ball?

Whistler6
03-01-2009, 04:27 PM
Hey what do you know I was right. Did I not say TT would drop the ball?

Green Bay nation was right.. I don't think anyone was anything more than
"pessimisticly optimistic"... and even that was a stretch.

Still I'm not gonna jump ship yet. There are restricted free agents, draft day trades, and the draft itself. We'll see. I am quit bummed though.

GB12
03-01-2009, 04:33 PM
And now it's time to turn our attention to Igor Olshansky. Quite a step down from Canty I think, but he's now the best available 3-4 DL. He has started in a 3-4 with for 5 years with San Diego. He shouldn't see anywhere near the amount Canty got, so even with some concerns he's worth signing.

Yatta!
03-01-2009, 04:34 PM
Thats ********. The Giants?? I really thought we were a better fit.

Time to make a run at Olshansky.

PACKmanN
03-01-2009, 04:43 PM
Hey what do you know I was right. Did I not say TT would drop the ball?

what did he do wrong?

1. Had his people express interest
2. Wanted to get a visit from Canty
3. Offered more money

That isn't dropping the ball...this is exactly like the LaVar Arrington thing that happened a few years ago.

cuzifelt1ikeit
03-01-2009, 04:44 PM
Thats ********. The Giants?? I really thought we were a better fit.

Time to make a run at Olshansky.

it isnt time to make a run at him yet... he has concerns. why would we want someone with that?

i cant say that im shocked canty signed elsewhere. looks like a good reality check on the packers way of dealing with FA's hasnt changed.

mqtirishfan
03-01-2009, 04:46 PM
it isnt time to make a run at him yet... he has concerns. why would we want someone with that?

i cant say that im shocked canty signed elsewhere. looks like a good reality check on the packers way of dealing with FA's hasnt changed.


How dare we not get into a bidding war!

Whistler6
03-01-2009, 05:05 PM
what did he do wrong?

1. Had his people express interest
2. Wanted to get a visit from Canty
3. Offered more money

That isn't dropping the ball...this is exactly like the LaVar Arrington thing that happened a few years ago.

1. Said "Don't come visit tonight, my coaches have the weekend off. Wait until Tuesday" ... When Canty's agent was clear about going to Green Bay tonight

2. Never offered any sort of deal, ONLY said he wanted Canty to come visit and take a physical. Canty's agent *specifically* stated that all he got from Green Bay was "a nice speech"

3. Would not speak directly to Canty or his agent. Had someone else receive the calls and make them

PACKmanN
03-01-2009, 05:31 PM
1. Said "Don't come visit tonight, my coaches have the weekend off. Wait until Tuesday" ... When Canty's agent was clear about going to Green Bay tonight

2. Never offered any sort of deal, ONLY said he wanted Canty to come visit and take a physical. Canty's agent *specifically* stated that all he got from Green Bay was "a nice speech"

3. Would not speak directly to Canty or his agent. Had someone else receive the calls and make them

1. All the reports said that we wanted him to come and visit, where are you getting this info from?

2. This report claims that we were offering more then the Giants were.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/03/breaking-packers-making-push-for-canty/ I don't care what an agent has to say.

3. Did I say TT? I said his people contacted him about coming in. Who cares who said what, Thompson has to allow our guys to contact them. For all we know TT is busy with the draft and other free agents.

Whistler6
03-01-2009, 05:34 PM
1. All the reports said that we wanted him to come and visit, where are you getting this info from?

2. This report claims that we were offering more then the Giants were.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/03/breaking-packers-making-push-for-canty/ I don't care what an agent has to say.

3. Did I say TT? I said his people contacted him about coming in. Who cares who said what, Thompson has to allow our guys to contact them. For all we know TT is busy with the draft and other free agents.

I got the info from all the article links that have been posted on here. I am not saying TT was right or wrong. My point is, it just doesn't feel like Thompson made Canty feel like a "priority" or important at all. I have no inside info so it's just a feeling and an opinion. Maybe Thompson didn't want to unload on a guy like Canty, maybe he has a different plan, maybe there's a whole different inside story. It's jus speculation...and feelings of frustration. Come onnn cut me some slack

TitleTown088
03-01-2009, 05:41 PM
I heard Igor has good pad level. We'll take a look.

PACKmanN
03-01-2009, 05:51 PM
I got the info from all the article links that have been posted on here. I am not saying TT was right or wrong. My point is, it just doesn't feel like Thompson made Canty feel like a "priority" or important at all. I have no inside info so it's just a feeling and an opinion. Maybe Thompson didn't want to unload on a guy like Canty, maybe he has a different plan, maybe there's a whole different inside story. It's jus speculation...and feelings of frustration. Come onnn cut me some slack

yeah. But I hate how Blank is saying that Canty didn't feel like "one of us", I'm sorry if someone offers you more then 42 million you should feel like you are wanted. Canty didn't want to be a Packer. He was born in NY, and wanted to stay home. He used us to get more money from the Giants.

PACKmanN
03-01-2009, 07:12 PM
Barden said that the Packers have shown interest in him.

Smokey
03-01-2009, 07:15 PM
yeah. But I hate how Blank is saying that Canty didn't feel like "one of us", I'm sorry if someone offers you more then 42 million you should feel like you are wanted. Canty didn't want to be a Packer. He was born in NY, and wanted to stay home. He used us to get more money from the Giants.

This rings true. He would have been better suited as a 3-4 end and likely will now to added to the plethora of Giants defensive linemen. But the kid's from New York, for all we know he's had his eye on this since pee wee league.

Whistler6
03-01-2009, 07:37 PM
Everything I read that Green Bay never offered any sort of contract. That's why I think he felt unwanted. Blank said all he got fron GB was, "a nice speech" ...That's why I said that.

Still I would accept a little less to play for New York and with a couple of unbelievable defensive line players if I was Canty too. It's such a more "sexy" situation. For all we know, TT and the Pack could have had nothing to do with his decision.

johbur
03-01-2009, 07:53 PM
TT wanted to have a chat with Canty, and see if the suckers in the NFL were going to drop stoopid money on him. The Gints didn't quite offer dumb money, but they overpaid for him. Cole not worth the contract he received. TT was looking at 2 million a year for three years, and Cole gets 6 million guaranteed up front.

When looking at FA this year, you have to keep in mind next year, with Jennings and a host of starters coming up for FA next year.

I would have liked Canty, but not if he cost us Collins or another of our own starters.

someone447
03-01-2009, 07:55 PM
TT wanted to have a chat with Canty, and see if the suckers in the NFL were going to drop stoopid money on him. The Gints didn't quite offer dumb money, but they overpaid for him. Cole not worth the contract he received. TT was looking at 2 million a year for three years, and Cole gets 6 million guaranteed up front.

When looking at FA this year, you have to keep in mind next year, with Jennings and a host of starters coming up for FA next year.

I would have liked Canty, but not if he cost us Collins or another of our own starters.

With the CBA set to expire, most of the FAs next year will be RFAs. There isn't a real danger of losing them.

Boston
03-01-2009, 09:49 PM
******* brilliant. Last time I checked, that excess cap room does jack **** if we never use it.

Whistler6
03-01-2009, 10:43 PM
“They acted like the Packers always do,” Blank said Sunday. “They said, ‘Good luck with (the Giants), and if it doesn’t work out, we’re interested...'"

PackerLegend
03-01-2009, 11:04 PM
what did he do wrong?

1. Had his people express interest
2. Wanted to get a visit from Canty
3. Offered more money

That isn't dropping the ball...this is exactly like the LaVar Arrington thing that happened a few years ago.

Is Canty a Packer? No hes not TT didn't get it done, if he really wanted him he would have done more in the beginning so he came to Green Bay before he went anywhere. Thats alright though we can just accept some more Ben Taylor's, Marqaund Manuel's, Adrian Klemm's, Matt O' Dwyers, Marc Boericters, Billy Cundiff's, Arturo Freeman's, Earl Little's, Robert Thomas's..... Hey I mean lets just sign a bunch of worthless scrubs when we could take all that money an shell it out to a decent free agent like Canty. So far we have a young and inexperienced defense without a single player having 3-4 experience, alot of players that don't fit but we all sit here and believe they will. Why because if they don't our defense will blow. i say we blow, but i hope i eat crow

TitleTown088
03-01-2009, 11:14 PM
Igor... Should come cheaper, but he's not the player Canty is.

The Packers reportedly plan to pursue free agent DE Igor Olshansky after losing out on Chris Canty.
Olshansky has never been as productive as Canty, but he should come at half the price. Green Bay needs competition for projected LE Johnny Jolly Jr.
Source: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel roto


and http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/40518177.html

umphrey
03-02-2009, 12:38 AM
So who are you most excited to see play next year?

The coaches really tried to get Jermichael Finley involved in the offense last year, but without much success. He was raw, with another offseason I think he could be a big impact player for our offense. Loved him as a prospect, I think he'll have a good career.

Johnny Jolly and Justin Harrell really excite me at DE, I want to see how they handle it.

Jordy Nelson is a stud. I want to see him all over the field out jumping defenders and getting lots of looks when Rodgers is outside the pocket.

I want to see Brian Brohm (only in preseason, hopefully) show he was worth it as a prospect and worth taking even though we didn't need a QB. A lot of people thought he could be a starter for us, I want to see him moving towards that quality as a QB.

Yatta!
03-02-2009, 10:32 AM
Minnesota is reportedly interested in signing Tauscher. I don't mind not resigning him but losing him to a division rival would not be my ideal situation. I didn't think he'd get much attention until towards training camp anyway when teams know what his injury situation is anyway.
http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2561

Smokey
03-02-2009, 10:37 AM
Minnesota is reportedly interested in signing Tauscher. I don't mind not resigning him but losing him to a division rival would not be my ideal situation. I didn't think he'd get much attention until towards training camp anyway when teams know what his injury situation is anyway.
http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2561


If this didn't happen this year it was surely coming. I don't know that I'm sold on Breno at RT though. If we draft a tackle in the 1st or 2nd I'm sure they'll get plugged into the right side until Clifton's contract expires after the coming season.

jackalope
03-02-2009, 04:10 PM
Longwell, Sharper, Ferguson, Darrel Bevell, Kampman, and now possibly Tausch? God, I hate the Vikings. I'd rather see Tauscher go anywhere else.

TitleTown088
03-02-2009, 04:19 PM
Longwell, Sharper, Ferguson, Darrel Bevell, Kampman, and now possibly Tausch? God, I hate the Vikings. I'd rather see Tauscher go anywhere else.

They're freaking lurkers.

umphrey
03-02-2009, 05:23 PM
It's not like we give them highly desirable players. It kind of bugs me how we send so many players there that know our playbook though. Unfortunately Tausch would be an upgrade for them (temporarily, 2 years tops) but I don't think we should keep him ourselves.

We are really thin at OLB. Even if we draft Orakpo/Brown then we have 2 starters and 1 backup (Poppinga) only. I don't think you can count Chillar as an OLB, but I guess if we were in a huge pinch he could play there.


I'm really happy Housh stayed out of the NFC-N. He's a really good, underrated player. Unfortunately Seattle might not take a WR now which would have been better for us draft wise.

PackerLegend
03-02-2009, 08:19 PM
I think we should resign Tausch hes one of our better o-linemen. Yea he messed up his knee but that will only drop his price. I think our line is average at best and really sucked this year. Losing Tausch would only hurt us more.

PACKmanN
03-02-2009, 09:00 PM
John Kuhn visits with the Cards, do we get anything if they sign him?

roidrunner
03-02-2009, 09:15 PM
minnesota is the retirement home for former packers

GB12
03-02-2009, 09:16 PM
John Kuhn visits with the Cards, do we get anything if they sign him?
Nope, he was undrafted.

I want Kuhn back. I think he is a better FB than Korey Hall, and he was one of the few good special teamers we had.

PackerLegend
03-02-2009, 11:34 PM
Packers interested in Mike Adams and are visiting soon I think.... Championship!!

Packers might have interest in recently released Jason Taylor and Vonnie Holiday.

TitleTown088
03-02-2009, 11:37 PM
Packers interested in Mike Adams and are visiting soon I think.... Championship!!

Packers might have interest in recently released Jason Taylor and Vonnie Holiday.

Mike Adams could actually be a nice sign. Pretty versatile.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/40583072.html

Per rotoworld the Packers have actually already contacted Jason Taylor. I think he might be a nice stop-gap player for the right price. I thought I remember reading he dosen't want to play here however...

someone447
03-02-2009, 11:42 PM
Packers interested in Mike Adams and are visiting soon I think.... Championship!!

Packers might have interest in recently released Jason Taylor and Vonnie Holiday.

BRING BACK VONNIE HOLIDAY!!

TitleTown088
03-02-2009, 11:45 PM
BRING BACK VONNIE HOLIDAY!!
He's like 33. I'd much rather have Igor or Wright.

roidrunner
03-03-2009, 02:17 PM
i was a little upset that the packers did not go after anyone as of yet, TT seems to sit back and wait and pick up people here and there, but nothing really exciting for a pick up. My greatest worry is that we do not have anyone with any experience in the new 3-4 system. So these next two to three years we are going to be saying that we need to build this defense up. I guess my fear is that this is going to be the excuse for the next three years if the packers do not preform well. Then eventually we are going to move back to the 4-3 and again we are going to have to wait to have this put back into place. It just seems like TT is hedging his bets to protect his job. It just has me really worried about the future of the pack.

Nitschke-Hawk
03-03-2009, 02:34 PM
I think Mike Wright could be a really good signing. He was a back up to Richard Seymour, Vince Wilfork, and Jarvis Green. Some of the best linemen in a 3-4 defense. He was undrafted, taught by the Patriots. Could be a really nice signing.

princefielder28
03-03-2009, 06:10 PM
Mike Adams has left town with no contract offer

Pacific
03-03-2009, 06:29 PM
He's like 33. I'd much rather have Igor or Wright.

I'd prefer to try to get Holliday cheap rather than overspend on Igor. I don't know much about Wright. I want to see Vonnie back in green and gold.

someone447
03-03-2009, 06:45 PM
I'd prefer to try to get Holliday cheap rather than overspend on Igor. I don't know much about Wright. I want to see Vonnie back in green and gold.

I would like to get Olshansky and Holliday. You can never have too many big men to rotate in.

Whistler6
03-03-2009, 10:29 PM
I'd prefer to try to get Holliday cheap rather than overspend on Igor. I don't know much about Wright. I want to see Vonnie back in green and gold.

The only thing I remember about Holiday is his 5 sack game that put him at I think 8 for the season right before he left Green Bay. He was a fun guy to watch though.. Would welcome him back. Still I don't think he changes Green bay from 6-10 to 10-6 or 11-5. Tedrick needs to make a few moves for that to happen.

TitleTown088
03-04-2009, 12:08 AM
Packer interested in Dallas LB Kevin Burnett too.

Yatta!
03-04-2009, 05:46 AM
I would like Olshansky most of all, no one else is throwing money at him so I reckon he will come at a reasonable price. Wright would be ok but we might as well just get a guy in the draft for depth and Holliday is too old to be worth signing tbh.

Kevin Burnett would be an odd signing, especially putting him outside when he hasn't played there before.

umphrey
03-04-2009, 08:42 AM
Olshansky strikes me as a FA bust because of how teams seem to be treating him. Big difference between him and Canty.

Burnett would be a great signing. He sounds like he could be our Chillar, 3-4 edition. Any thoughts on how much he'd cost?

Yatta!
03-04-2009, 09:01 AM
Burnett would be a great signing. He sounds like he could be our Chillar, 3-4 edition. Any thoughts on how much he'd cost?

Apparently he is now close to signing with the Chargers, no word on price though. Doubt we continue with him.
http://startelegramsports.typepad.com/cowboys/2009/03/burnett-close-to-being-a-charger.html

GB12
03-04-2009, 02:26 PM
I like Burnett, but he's an ILB. I know reports have said that if we did sign him he'd be tried at outside, but I don't think that's a great idea.

PACKmanN
03-04-2009, 02:35 PM
I don't know what we would do with Burnett, unless the Packers except that Chillar will not be back.

GB12
03-04-2009, 02:42 PM
I don't know what we would do with Burnett, unless the Packers except that Chillar will not be back.
What does Chillar have to do with it?

PACKmanN
03-04-2009, 02:50 PM
What does Chillar have to do with it?

Chillar has 1 year left on his deal signed last year. We have Barnett, Hawk, Chillar, and Bishop as our ILBs and that one rookie Lan something. Like you said, he might be be a good OLB.

GB12
03-04-2009, 02:55 PM
Chillar has 1 year left on his deal signed last year. We have Barnett, Hawk, Chillar, and Bishop as our ILBs and that one rookie Lan something. Like you said, he might be be a good OLB.
Burnett is going to be a starter next year. He's not going to sign with us to be a backup. If we signed him it'd mean one of the following:

1. Barnett would be traded
2. Hawk would be put at OLB
3. Burnett would be put at OLB, which I said wouldn't be a good idea

So pretty much, he's not coming to Green Bay.

PackerLegend
03-04-2009, 04:31 PM
It doesn't matter if you think its a good idea if he plays OLB, a position he never has. That doesn't mean the Packers wont sign him. I agree its stupid and hopefully he signs elsewhere.

PACKmanN
03-04-2009, 04:33 PM
Dallas fans say he was a back up on the weakside OLB position. So he has taken reps at that spot, but I agree, his best choice would be to sign with the Chargers, but that's what we said about Canty.

GB12
03-04-2009, 05:09 PM
It doesn't matter if you think its a good idea if he plays OLB, a position he never has. That doesn't mean the Packers wont sign him. I agree its stupid and hopefully he signs elsewhere.
That part was a response to him saying this Like you said, he might be be a good OLB

Yatta!
03-05-2009, 11:10 AM
Burnett update.

He will visit Green Bay on Saturday but is visiting Houston today and his agent says that he may well be signed before coming to Green Bay.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/40760507.html

TitleTown088
03-05-2009, 02:00 PM
Packers interested in Steelers Safety Anthony Smith.

PackerLegend
03-05-2009, 10:15 PM
Interested... doubt it. We were suppose to be really interested in Canty but really never did anything . Were suppose to show interest in Jason Taylor and Vonnie Holiday as of now none. Igor... havent shown much in him either. Hey atleast we show interest in a player to have him come play out of position. TT was asked about why the Packers never really get involved early in F.A "We rarely do, I don't know why that is." Sounds like a stupid answer to me. TT always says BPA for the draft but in F.A. he says if a player can fit a particular role we will look his way. Again, stupid the Giants are better and stack their d-line even more in F.A. yet we sit content when adding some decent 3-4 players could only help.

jenningsfan85
03-06-2009, 02:34 AM
they are also interested in the fa safety out of clev, sean jones. hes 3rd in the nfl over the last 3 yrs in int for a saftety, dont know much about him but sounds like a pure cover safety, which we dont really have, just the hard hitting type, i know collins at a ton of picks but also had a TON of blow coverages. would be a tt type signings and a good guy to put in the safety rotation or start next to collins. jones plays deep zone and we let collins fly around the field like ed reed or troy p (didnt even try to spell that last name) what do you guys think?

jennings got robbed for the pro bowl! (he and rodgers won me 2 fantasy leagues, all those 40 yrd tds!)

Pack_Attack_4
03-06-2009, 04:23 PM
was Anthony Smith a starter or backup for the steelers last year?

Whistler6
03-06-2009, 05:31 PM
Back up because he underperformed.. And yes it's the Anthony Smith who challenged Randy Moss before getting torched deep early and often against him.

Boston
03-06-2009, 07:29 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/40871912.html

Packers sign Anthony Smith.

PackerLegend
03-06-2009, 08:02 PM
I cant believe what im reading we finally have a player with 3-4 experience. Although he guarantees to beat the Pats and gets beat for 2 TD's instead. Igor is off the market now as well. Im glad we don't sign anyone decent for the front 7 and are just going to rely on the draft. That way if some rookies aren't ready we wont generate any pressure and our secondary will be torched!

roidrunner
03-06-2009, 09:25 PM
I like the signing of smith for two reasons, one he has experience in the 3-4. But at the same time he adds depth to the Safety position which we so desperately need. He is a young guy who will be given the chance to compete. Do i think he will do much, probably not, but he is a nice complimentary piece we need.

johbur
03-07-2009, 02:35 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/40871912.html

Packers sign Anthony Smith.

It's a nice signing. He already has good rapport with Coach Perry and he's a solid special teamer. Toss in his 14 starts in the 3-4 system and he'll be way ahead a draft pick that TT would take in round 5.

Whistler6
03-07-2009, 05:39 PM
Green Bay is reportedly interested in DE Kevin Carter now

Burger
03-07-2009, 08:17 PM
Green Bay is reportedly interested in DE Kevin Carter now

I would love this signing, this would be a mentor move. Carter would be a great 3-4 end, he didnt get much sacks, but he had 8 tackles against Atlanta.

PACKmanN
03-08-2009, 03:30 AM
Packers CB Tramon Williams may not sign his tender as an exclusive rights free agent in hopes of getting a new contract.

- rotoworld

he needs to sign it and given a contract extension once Harris is traded or let go.

PACKmanN
03-08-2009, 03:48 AM
btw, does anyone remember who was the guy that chased down the Lions player during the kickoff? I seem to think it was Williams.

umphrey
03-08-2009, 05:00 AM
I definitely remember that...Williams was pretty much a special teams guy at the time IIRC and he just flew across the field to catch from behind and catch the returner and saved a touchdown. I remember thinking "damn that guy's athletic, that will keep his roster spot alone". When he caught him he made it look like the Lions guy was just jogging, but he was running at full speed, Tramon was just absolutely flying.

We need to keep him on the team. If he isn't on the roster, our secondary takes a HUGE hit. He might be better than Harris right now and if we don't have him we have zero depth and two old corners, one with a bad back and the other that tends to get leg injuries. Hopefully Pat Lee turns into a player but he wasn't last year.

GB12
03-08-2009, 01:35 PM
Well he's not going anywhere. If he wants to stay in the NFL he has to sign with us. It's just how big of a deal he will make about it.

LonghornsLegend
03-08-2009, 03:31 PM
Dallas fans say he was a back up on the weakside OLB position. So he has taken reps at that spot, but I agree, his best choice would be to sign with the Chargers, but that's what we said about Canty.

Burnett never took any reps from OLB, ever with Dallas, the only OLB reps he saw were from the Nickel position when two LB's were on the field...Base sets in the 3-4, he's an ILB and always has been, I'm pretty sure the Chargers plan on keeping him inside of Merriman and Phillips also.


He's just listed all over the place on depth charts online he just never played there and rushed the passer primarily...I still think he's a great signing for someone, think we missed the ball not working something out with him.

jackalope
03-08-2009, 05:34 PM
Isn't this Trammon Williams situation essentially the same one we had with Grant last year? I wouldn't mind giving Trammon a 3 or 4 year contract.

princefielder28
03-08-2009, 05:36 PM
Isn't this Trammon Williams situation essentially the same one we had with Grant last year? I wouldn't mind giving Trammon a 3 or 4 year contract.

Yes sir, that is the case

tjsunstein
03-08-2009, 11:45 PM
We need to keep Tramon in the worst way.

roidrunner
03-09-2009, 01:26 AM
he is young and talented, TT will get it done. I could live with a 3 to 4 year deal to keep this guy.

PACKmanN
03-09-2009, 04:38 AM
I could see something like 5 years 12.5 million with 5-6 million grantee

Yatta!
03-09-2009, 06:20 AM
As long as we have learnt from the Grant situation then it shouldn't be a problem. I would expect all our contract situations to get sorted without too much hassle.

umphrey
03-09-2009, 11:51 AM
I could see something like 5 years 12.5 million with 5-6 million grantee

It will be shorter and he'll want something closer to starter money. Remember contracts have inflated fast over the years.

More like 3 years, 12 mil 3 guaranteed.

Or we just ignore him until he signs the RFA tender, which is probably the most likely course of events.

Mr.Regular
03-09-2009, 07:06 PM
I would like to share my joy of being officially on the Packers season ticket list! I applied last year and just called now to get my official number.
You're talking to #78419.
Anyone else on 'the' list? What number and for how long?

tjsunstein
03-09-2009, 07:39 PM
I got my dad to apply for season tickets when I was 8. The wait is so long. I'm in the 50 thousands, its been 10.5 years.

princefielder28
03-09-2009, 07:56 PM
Thankfully, a season ticket will put in my name after I graduate from the University of Minnesota in a little over two years.

Boston
03-09-2009, 10:09 PM
I would like to share my joy of being officially on the Packers season ticket list! I applied last year and just called now to get my official number.
You're talking to #78419.
Anyone else on 'the' list? What number and for how long?

Yeah, I'm sure your kids will thank you some day.

Whistler6
03-10-2009, 12:18 AM
Yeah, I'm sure your kids will thank you some day.

I think you mean his grand kids will thank him some day

Yatta!
03-10-2009, 06:44 AM
Nick Collins hit an escalator taking his salary this year to around $3million. I would imagine he and Jennings get locked up just before the start of the season.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/41001767.html

Mr.Regular
03-10-2009, 12:14 PM
Yeah, I'm sure your kids will thank you some day.
Hey, for the grand total of $0 it was worth giving my future grandchildren a shot at season tickets!

Pacific
03-10-2009, 02:09 PM
I know I've been on the list for 8 or 9 years but i haven't gotten a postcard saying where I am in line for quite a while. Anyone know if there is a website where you can check your place in line?

RyanBraun8
03-10-2009, 04:17 PM
parents put me on the list after i was born and its been 21 years now and we are still like 4,000 or so away, forgot what the number was(very rough guess from what my parents told me around a year ago) but i still got another 20-30 years to go most likely haha

johbur
03-10-2009, 09:41 PM
Packers CB Tramon Williams may not sign his tender as an exclusive rights free agent in hopes of getting a new contract.

- rotoworld

he needs to sign it and given a contract extension once Harris is traded or let go.

He has zero leverage. Harris is coming back, there'll likely be a draft pick this year for him to compete with along with Lee from last year. Welcome to the NFL as an UDFA. Tramon is not a starter and he did some good things last year, but I remember him getting toasted a bit, too.

tjsunstein
03-10-2009, 10:21 PM
Orlando Pace for a year or two anyone?

umphrey
03-10-2009, 10:29 PM
I'd go for it, but our team wont.
Wouldn't be much of an upgrade anyway.
The only reason I'd do it is because maybe Pace's injuries happen when Clifton gets hurt and vice versa.

PACKmanN
03-10-2009, 10:57 PM
He has zero leverage. Harris is coming back, there'll likely be a draft pick this year for him to compete with along with Lee from last year. Welcome to the NFL as an UDFA. Tramon is not a starter and he did some good things last year, but I remember him getting toasted a bit, too.
that's what we were all saying about Grant last year, but Tramon has proven much more to this point then Ryan had last year.

Yatta!
03-11-2009, 06:34 AM
Apparently we offered Mike Montgomery a contract and he also has an offer from the Texans per rotoworld.

I like Montgomery but I wouldn't bring him back, he's not a great fit in a 3-4.

PACKmanN
03-11-2009, 09:29 AM
Apparently we offered Mike Montgomery a contract and he also has an offer from the Texans per rotoworld.

I like Montgomery but I wouldn't bring him back, he's not a great fit in a 3-4.

I'm sure we can do what the 49ers did with Justin Smith last year. Make him add more weight and moce him to DE.

greenbaysurf
03-11-2009, 11:54 PM
Just to see if TT really likes the Fans, start the chatter about us wanting Travis Becham no matter what. For hometown hero sake, and because he would thrive in our offense, and is versitile. Get it going so that Ted hears that if he doesn't get Becham, we want his head. See how much We, Fans and the GB tradition, mean to our GENERAL MANAGER


Start RIGHT AWAY in the bars and at work. tell everyone to tell everone. Lets see were it gets. There is plenty of time for this to take root before the Draft.

GB12
03-12-2009, 12:11 AM
Just to see if TT really likes the Fans, start the chatter about us wanting Travis Becham no matter what. For hometown hero sake, and because he would thrive in our offense, and is versitile. Get it going so that Ted hears that if he doesn't get Becham, we want his head. See how much We, Fans and the GB tradition, mean to our GENERAL MANAGER


Start RIGHT AWAY in the bars and at work. tell everyone to tell everone. Lets see were it gets. There is plenty of time for this to take root before the Draft.I'm sorry, but this is one of the stupidest posts I have read. The fans don't and should not have any influence on the general manager.

cuzifelt1ikeit
03-12-2009, 12:52 AM
Just to see if TT really likes the Fans, start the chatter about us wanting Travis Becham no matter what. For hometown hero sake, and because he would thrive in our offense, and is versitile. Get it going so that Ted hears that if he doesn't get Becham, we want his head. See how much We, Fans and the GB tradition, mean to our GENERAL MANAGER


Start RIGHT AWAY in the bars and at work. tell everyone to tell everone. Lets see were it gets. There is plenty of time for this to take root before the Draft.

please tell me youre joking. youre a little early for april fools but we all make mistakes. he could, and should, careless about the fans. his job should be to put the best team on the field. by doing that there will be fans, no matter who is on the squad. people are in love with w's.

Whistler6
03-12-2009, 02:24 PM
Just to see if TT really likes the Fans, start the chatter about us wanting Travis Becham no matter what. For hometown hero sake, and because he would thrive in our offense, and is versitile. Get it going so that Ted hears that if he doesn't get Becham, we want his head. See how much We, Fans and the GB tradition, mean to our GENERAL MANAGER


Start RIGHT AWAY in the bars and at work. tell everyone to tell everone. Lets see were it gets. There is plenty of time for this to take root before the Draft.

Jermichael Finley > Travis Beckum

...enough said

Boston
03-12-2009, 08:49 PM
Just to see if TT really likes the Fans, start the chatter about us wanting Travis Becham no matter what. For hometown hero sake, and because he would thrive in our offense, and is versitile. Get it going so that Ted hears that if he doesn't get Becham, we want his head. See how much We, Fans and the GB tradition, mean to our GENERAL MANAGER


Start RIGHT AWAY in the bars and at work. tell everyone to tell everone. Lets see were it gets. There is plenty of time for this to take root before the Draft.

This is how it's been done for decades. You have got to keep up wit da timezzzz. How do you think we got of that hack...Brett Favre out here.

...forgot his name there for a second...

PackerLegend
03-12-2009, 11:20 PM
Just to see if TT really likes the Fans, start the chatter about us wanting Travis Becham no matter what. For hometown hero sake, and because he would thrive in our offense, and is versitile. Get it going so that Ted hears that if he doesn't get Becham, we want his head. See how much We, Fans and the GB tradition, mean to our GENERAL MANAGER


Start RIGHT AWAY in the bars and at work. tell everyone to tell everone. Lets see were it gets. There is plenty of time for this to take root before the Draft.

If you want someone that bad atleast get their name right. Beckum not Becham. Also I hope you honestly don't think something like that would work.

LonghornsLegend
03-12-2009, 11:27 PM
Jermichael Finley > Travis Beckum

...enough said

Thanks for doing that for me :)


Seriously I knew Finley was a beast from Day one, it took him some time to develop which was normal considering most wanted him to go back to school anyway...I think he'll end up taking Lee's spot in no time in the line-up, you just won't find guys with his athleticism and pass catching abilities + size at TE very often.

Whistler6
03-13-2009, 06:54 PM
Thanks for doing that for me :)


Seriously I knew Finley was a beast from Day one, it took him some time to develop which was normal considering most wanted him to go back to school anyway...I think he'll end up taking Lee's spot in no time in the line-up, you just won't find guys with his athleticism and pass catching abilities + size at TE very often.

100% agreed. Once he becomes consistent, he should be a starter. I love his pass catching ability!

So... Samari Rolloe is going to be released. I think Green Bay should heavily consider bringing him in. He would shore up the backfield, which is already solid (IMO). Then they can completely focus on drafting front 7 or O-line. Hmmm

PACKmanN
03-13-2009, 11:39 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/34427129.html

wow, a lot of our core players are free agents in the next two years.

GB12
03-14-2009, 12:27 AM
100% agreed. Once he becomes consistent, he should be a starter. I love his pass catching ability!

So... Samari Rolloe is going to be released. I think Green Bay should heavily consider bringing him in. He would shore up the backfield, which is already solid (IMO). Then they can completely focus on drafting front 7 or O-line. Hmmm
The only reason to address CB at all is to get younger. Samari Rolle wouldn't accomplish that.

PackerLegend
03-14-2009, 02:38 AM
Time for good news, bad news.

The good news is the Titans have extended Jarret Bush an offer.

The bad news is he isnt a Titan yet and we have a chance to match the offer. We probably will for some reason because we see potential or something. All i've seen from him since he arrived was suck.

PackerLegend
03-14-2009, 02:39 AM
Time for good news, bad news.

The good news is the Titans have extended Jarret Bush an offer.

The bad news is he isnt a Titan yet and we have a chance to match the offer. We probably will for some reason because we see potential or something. All i've seen from him since he arrived was suck.

Whistler6
03-14-2009, 08:19 AM
The only reason to address CB at all is to get younger. Samari Rolle wouldn't accomplish that.


experienced in a 3-4 defense, and a solid vet. I think he would be better than anyone they coul draft for the next 3 years.

umphrey
03-14-2009, 08:28 AM
I doubt it he's 33 and it really shows.

Getting corners that have experience in a 3-4 is kind of pointless. The front 7 is where you might look for 3-4 experience but not the secondary really. Maybe the safety spots, I think I remember them saying the safeties have to "quarterback the defense". If we wanted to add something to our cornerback group it would be a young player or someone who can play zone because we are lacking in those 2 areas, but we definitely don't need another 33 yr old cornerback.

GB12
03-14-2009, 01:01 PM
experienced in a 3-4 defense, and a solid vet. I think he would be better than anyone they coul draft for the next 3 years.

He'd be behind Harris, Woodson, and Williams. That'd make him the dimeback at best. There's no reason for us to sign a 32 year old dimeback. You're being awfuly generous by saying 3 years. He already lost it, and probably won't even be in the league in three years. Staying with what we have in Pat Lee and Will Blackmon would be a better option than signing Rolle.

Whistler6
03-14-2009, 02:22 PM
Hmmmm.. I think wherever he lands, he makes a solid impact. Pat Lee didn't show any flashes (even though he had no real oppurtunity), Harris has lost a step, Blackmon is a return specialist. but yeah yeah okay, it was just a thought.

mqtirishfan
03-14-2009, 02:24 PM
Hmmmm.. I think wherever he lands, he makes a solid impact. Pat Lee didn't show any flashes (even though he had no real oppurtunity), Harris has lost a step, Blackmon is a return specialist. but yeah yeah okay, it was just a thought.

I saw flashes from Lee.

PACKmanN
03-14-2009, 05:46 PM
So has Taush retired? when will we find out how bad his injury is?

Pack_Attack_4
03-16-2009, 05:34 PM
The Green Bay Packers have exercised their right of first refusal on restricted free agent CB Jarrett Bush, matching an offer sheet from Tennessee. The move was announced Monday by Executive V.P., General Manager and Director of Football Operations Ted Thompson.

someone447
03-16-2009, 05:41 PM
The Green Bay Packers have exercised their right of first refusal on restricted free agent CB Jarrett Bush, matching an offer sheet from Tennessee. The move was announced Monday by Executive V.P., General Manager and Director of Football Operations Ted Thompson.

Awesome!!!

...

rumfinator
03-16-2009, 05:45 PM
Awesome!!!

...

For the love of GOD.....WHY??????

someone447
03-16-2009, 05:46 PM
For the love of GOD.....WHY??????

Sorry, the ... at the end was supposed to indicate sarcasm.

PACKmanN
03-16-2009, 05:49 PM
I guess the teams wants the same water boy. Sorry, but why in the world would we keep him...

rumfinator
03-16-2009, 06:26 PM
Sorry, the ... at the end was supposed to indicate sarcasm.

I got that...I was crying about the decision.

Whistler6
03-16-2009, 06:37 PM
2 million dollars Green Bay will be giving Jarret Bush to be the 5th best(?) corner on the team this season. Magic.

johbur
03-16-2009, 06:39 PM
Maybe TT got upset by the recent election and just wanted 4 more years of Bush...

Nothing like matching offer sheets on bit players and letting solid contributors move on. My consolation prize is the Steelers' safety.

princefielder28
03-16-2009, 06:43 PM
Ted, what the hell are you thinking? The guy is going to drive me insane.

Yatta!
03-16-2009, 06:59 PM
Just need to also vent my anger at Jarrett Bush still being on the team.

Aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhh!

Whistler6
03-16-2009, 07:26 PM
This signing makes as much sense as the Brewers giving Eric Gagne a 1 year/10 million dollar deal, NBC renewing another season of Kath and Kim, the Detroit Lions trading away Cory Redding for Julian Peterson (even though he was about to be released), and about as much sense as Green Bay being 1 of 2(?) total teams not signing an Unrestricted Free Agent YET!

God almighty

<<<<----- Ted's feelings (see avatar) ...He doesn't know what's going on

GB12
03-16-2009, 07:27 PM
3 years, $4.5 million.

What the ****.

Seriously? We have to put up with Bush for 3 more years. God damn it.

PACKmanN
03-16-2009, 10:08 PM
well, this is going to make it much more difficult if we extend Tramon Williams' contract.

Hopefully he wakes up and starts doing much better.

PackerLegend
03-16-2009, 11:28 PM
**** Ted Thompson im off his bandwagon. Bush ****ing blows and should have been cut 2 years ago. That's alright though if we blow for the next couple years don't blame TT. We can just blame it on the scheme switch. Ted Thompson is average at best I think and i was on the fence about him for awhile.

So basically the most money we spend in free agency thus far goes to some ****ing piece of ****. ****ing brilliant, where's the TT **** talk? I do believe it, obviously Bush and him are a couple and had a 3 some with Derrick Frost until he didnt satisfy TT anymore.

Up next TT ****ng offers Jennings a coupon to Wendy's instead of a new contract. He gets pissed and wants to be traded. Yeah its coming just wait.

And WTF is with all this talk about Bush as our best special teamer? Maybe at getting ****ing penalties and whiffing on tackles.

Whistler6
03-16-2009, 11:47 PM
I'm against bashing, but I love that post. I try to stick to the "wait and see" approach thinking to myself TT knows what he is doing and has a plan. But cutting Jon Ryan for a guy who was just cut himself Derrick Frost, not bringing in a single "impact" FA in 2 years, continuously trading down and stock piling players to stay "young", giving Bush 2 mill this seasn when he's worth an 8th of that.... I mean I just do now know what he's thinking. What is his logic????????

You cannot win every year with the youngest team in the NFL. Leadership wins and getting younger every season doesn't accomplish that

I am still going to wait and see, but honestly I am simply miffed, baffled, confused.. Please Tedrick Thompson help me understand!

someone447
03-17-2009, 12:06 AM
I'm against bashing, but I love that post. I try to stick to the "wait and see" approach thinking to myself TT knows what he is doing and has a plan. But cutting Jon Ryan for a guy who was just cut himself Derrick Frost, not bringing in a single "impact" FA in 2 years, continuously trading down and stock piling players to stay "young", giving Bush 2 mill this seasn when he's worth an 8th of that.... I mean I just do now know what he's thinking. What is his logic????????

You cannot win every year with the youngest team in the NFL. Leadership wins and getting younger every season doesn't accomplish that

I am still going to wait and see, but honestly I am simply miffed, baffled, confused.. Please Tedrick Thompson help me understand!

See, I don't believe just because he has the job that it makes him the most qualified. He refuses to use free agency AT ALL(Woodson excepted) when it is proven that it works, as long as you don't only do that. If you have a chance to bring in an impact player at a position you are weak at, you have to do it. Even if it means overpaying a little.

Whistler6
03-17-2009, 08:32 AM
See, I don't believe just because he has the job that it makes him the most qualified. He refuses to use free agency AT ALL(Woodson excepted) when it is proven that it works, as long as you don't only do that. If you have a chance to bring in an impact player at a position you are weak at, you have to do it. Even if it means overpaying a little.

Especially when Green Bay has the money*...It's not like they are close to being over the cap. NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE

ChezPower4
03-17-2009, 08:34 AM
**** Ted Thompson im off his bandwagon. Bush ****ing blows and should have been cut 2 years ago. That's alright though if we blow for the next couple years don't blame TT. We can just blame it on the scheme switch. Ted Thompson is average at best I think and i was on the fence about him for awhile.

So basically the most money we spend in free agency thus far goes to some ****ing piece of ****. ****ing brilliant, where's the TT **** talk? I do believe it, obviously Bush and him are a couple and had a 3 some with Derrick Frost until he didnt satisfy TT anymore.

Up next TT ****ng offers Jennings a coupon to Wendy's instead of a new contract. He gets pissed and wants to be traded. Yeah its coming just wait.

And WTF is with all this talk about Bush as our best special teamer? Maybe at getting ****ing penalties and whiffing on tackles.

Re-signing Bush was quite disappointing

Whistler6
03-17-2009, 10:03 AM
Maybe the fact that teams that emphasize defense defense defense like the Titans and Ravens having interest had an impact on TT's decision. Seeing them go after a player like Bush, mighta swayed him. Who knows.

I would just like to be able to interview Ted and ask him questions like, "What about Tramon, Pat Lee, and Will Blackmon"?

Isn't Bush arguably below atleast 2 if not 3 of those guys talentwise? Plus Tramon and Blackmon have return abilities which Bush doesn't...

ahhh ehhh ishhh

cuzifelt1ikeit
03-17-2009, 12:35 PM
talk about overreacting. for one we have the money. two, what happens when charles woodson and/or al harris retires? if you subtract one or two then were only left with williams, lee, blackmon. its not a bad signing in my eyes. he can always be cut if it doesnt work out or if we draft someone else. if we draft a corner then i will be left scratching my head but as of now i dont really see the need to bash him. its much easier to sign someone like bush then extend someone with a current contract.

ChezPower4
03-17-2009, 12:58 PM
talk about overreacting. for one we have the money. two, what happens when charles woodson and/or al harris retires? if you subtract one or two then were only left with williams, lee, blackmon. its not a bad signing in my eyes. he can always be cut if it doesnt work out or if we draft someone else. if we draft a corner then i will be left scratching my head but as of now i dont really see the need to bash him. its much easier to sign someone like bush then extend someone with a current contract.

IMO Bush has not played better than Williams in games, not even close. I think Bush is not a starting player nor will he ever be.

cuzifelt1ikeit
03-17-2009, 01:04 PM
IMO Bush has not played better than Williams in games, not even close. I think Bush is not a starting player nor will he ever be.

i completely agree. in fact i think that is pretty much the consensus among everyone here. im just saying that his contract is up versus williams who has another year. if we swapped williams in bush's position im sure we wouldve matched the offer sheet and he would be signed to a multi-year deal while bush would be sitting with the same tender. its just how it works. this doesnt mean that we value bush any more then any of the other guys. the other guys are just under contract.

Whistler6
03-17-2009, 01:45 PM
Yay...?

The Jets re-signed CB Ahmad Carroll, who led the team with 26 special-teams tackles in 2008.

PACKmanN
03-17-2009, 05:26 PM
Packers resigned Mike Montgomery.

Yatta!
03-17-2009, 06:29 PM
I've said this before but I'll say it again.

I like Montgomery and he impressed me at times last season but I don't see where he fits in the new system.

GB12
03-17-2009, 08:44 PM
I've said this before but I'll say it again.

I like Montgomery and he impressed me at times last season but I don't see where he fits in the new system.
I think he's a terrible fit in the 3-4. I had no desire to re-sign him. He'll have to get bigger and try to play DE because he sure as hell isn't an OLB.

PackerLegend
03-17-2009, 11:36 PM
It makes sense in TT's eyes. Lets not make a harder push for a proven 3-4 DE (Canty) instead lets get a bunch of players and play them where they don't belong. Add Bush to that mix and championship! I guarantee TT will draft a 4-3 player who has no business being in a 3-4.

PACKmanN
03-18-2009, 02:29 PM
It makes sense in TT's eyes. Lets not make a harder push for a proven 3-4 DE (Canty) instead lets get a bunch of players and play them where they don't belong. Add Bush to that mix and championship! I guarantee TT will draft a 4-3 player who has no business being in a 3-4.

not really, i think there going to make him add weight(280-290) and see where that goes into his second year or this year.

jsa230
03-20-2009, 01:43 AM
keep in mind depth on the dline is never a bad thing to have... esp with versatile player like montgomery

Pack_Attack_4
03-20-2009, 07:36 AM
according to Jason Wilde of the Wisconsin State Journal, Nick collins is staying away from voluntary offseason workouts and practices, bec hes not happy with his contract.

Yatta!
03-20-2009, 08:34 AM
If there's one thing TT is good at, it's locking up our young players. Collins and Jennings will get paid, it's a question of when rather than if.

Boston
03-20-2009, 01:45 PM
keep in mind depth on the dline is never a bad thing to have... esp with versatile player like montgomery

I agree. It's always nice to have a player that can't play DE in a 3-4, and then when we need it, can't play OLB as well...

GB12
03-20-2009, 02:57 PM
I agree. It's always nice to have a player that can't play DE in a 3-4, and then when we need it, can't play OLB as well...
Don't know if that was a typo or not, but it's correct as is. Montgomery is not a versital player. In a 3-4 he can only play DE, and he's not even a great fit there.

jsa230
03-20-2009, 03:27 PM
so im guessing the consesus is Montgomery cant play de in the 34, i disagree. I also think Harrell could play de in the 34 as well but if your thinking about this from a money standpoint it is not a bad sign. Depth on the dline for cheap.

cuzifelt1ikeit
03-20-2009, 04:51 PM
so im guessing the consesus is Montgomery cant play de in the 34, i disagree. I also think Harrell could play de in the 34 as well but if your thinking about this from a money standpoint it is not a bad sign. Depth on the dline for cheap.

i think everyone here thinks harrell can play de in the 3-4. also i dont think anyone cares how little we give montgomery. he doesnt fit. its like trying to push a 5$ square threw a 10$ circle.

princefielder28
03-20-2009, 07:31 PM
Don't know if that was a typo or not, but it's correct as is. Montgomery is not a versital player. In a 3-4 he can only play DE, and he's not even a great fit there.

I think that's what Boston meant...he was using sarcasm, i think

PACKmanN
03-20-2009, 11:34 PM
personally I want to know if Harrell has lost weight, imo, he much better at 280-290, not 320.

Whistler6
03-21-2009, 12:58 AM
personally I want to know if Harrell has lost weight, imo, he much better at 280-290, not 320.

If TT is banking on Harrell being a solid contributor, then he is taking a huge risk. I don't think it is a coincidence that he has been injured often since college.. Not smart Mr. Thompson, I hope there's someone there if Harrell has another "bust" season.

PACKmanN
03-21-2009, 01:03 AM
wasn't it Reggie McKenzie who was high on Harrell while at Tennessee's Pro Day and film? maybe he has an hard influence in TT's decision.

jsa230
03-21-2009, 12:55 PM
if harrell stays healthy he will show everyone why he was drafted 16th, the health concerns were the only negs against harrell in 07 and so far, tt ignoring the durability issues b4 the draft have obviously bitten him n the ass. so far it has been a total waste of a pick but hopefully harrell can stay on the field and "prove his worth"

Whistler6
03-21-2009, 03:11 PM
if harrell stays healthy he will show everyone why he was drafted 16th, the health concerns were the only negs against harrell in 07 and so far, tt ignoring the durability issues b4 the draft have obviously bitten him n the ass. so far it has been a total waste of a pick but hopefully harrell can stay on the field and "prove his worth"

I didn't hate the Harrell pick. I hated the Harrell pick at #16 overall with the other talent that was available. I will sit and wait for him to prove me wrong, him and Jamal Reynolds..

Burger
03-21-2009, 04:24 PM
Good thing this new Weight Training guy, stresses durability.

stealthbomber
03-21-2009, 09:37 PM
Look, 100% of Packer fans did not want Justin Harrell to be the Packers pick at #16. That was a high risk pick, a swing for the fences pick.
What happens, Prince Fielder, when you take a huge swing and connect? That's right.
But what happens when you take a huge cut and don't connect?

Fans knew better that pick.

As for luxury picks:
Last year: QB Brohm, WR Nelson, CB Lee, TE Jermichael

Those first 4 picks were not immediate upgrades. None. (I know Jordy was solid, but as a #3 rookie WR, Jones was better the year prior)
Combined with letting our best special teams player Tracy White go but keeping a hack special teams/CB in Jarrett Bush, and one key injury, it's no wonder why the team went backwards by 8 wins.

Keep all that s*** in mind next month. Thompson will NOT take the guy at #9 that you want. He will NOT take the guy that makes sense. He will not take the guy that we need the most.

Put down your favorite 25 players at #9, and cross them all off.

This is why I really hope TT trades down and does a good job of it, make the trade value favor us this time.

jackalope
03-21-2009, 10:09 PM
Look, 100% of Packer fans did not want Justin Harrell to be the Packers pick at #16. That was a high risk pick, a swing for the fences pick.
What happens, Prince Fielder, when you take a huge swing and connect? That's right.
But what happens when you take a huge cut and don't connect?

Fans knew better that pick.

As for luxury picks:
Last year: QB Brohm, WR Nelson, CB Lee, TE Jermichael

Those first 4 picks were not immediate upgrades. None. (I know Jordy was solid, but as a #3 rookie WR, Jones was better the year prior)
Combined with letting our best special teams player Tracy White go but keeping a hack special teams/CB in Jarrett Bush, and one key injury, it's no wonder why the team went backwards by 8 wins.

Keep all that s*** in mind next month. Thompson will NOT take the guy at #9 that you want. He will NOT take the guy that makes sense. He will not take the guy that we need the most.

Put down your favorite 25 players at #9, and cross them all off.

This is why I really hope TT trades down and does a good job of it, make the trade value favor us this time.

I have a few problems with what you said. Lee and Finley were not luxury picks. The fact that they weren't immediate upgrades does not make it a luxury pick. Both picks made perfect sense, and the players were drafted to be eventual starters and provide depth at a position of need.

Everybody loves to say that Thompson never takes who the fans want. That's often true, but still way overblown. People act like he's intentionally doing this. Look at the first pick he made with Green Bay, Aaron Rodgers. It couldn't have been a more obvious pick, everybody wanted him. Then the next year his first pick was AJ Hawk, whom everybody wanted since January. He makes a lot of "who?" picks too (Jennings, Jones, Collins, Harrell) but those work out all right. To say "Thompson will NOT take the guy at #9 that you want. He will NOT take the guy that makes sense. He will not take the guy that we need the most." is kind of ridiculous when you look at when we were in a similar position with Hawk. He took the guy that people wanted, that made sense and that we needed the most; so I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see him take Orakpo, Brown, or Raji.

Whistler6
03-21-2009, 11:09 PM
When I wanted Thomspon to take Greg Olsen, he took Justin Harrell. When I wanted him to take Dustin Keller, he traded down and drafted Jordy Nelson in a position that was already deep on our team. We have noooo idea what TT is thinking.

His big board could be the complete opposite of any of ours. So instead of getting my hopes up for Raji, Orakpo, Maybin, Brown, etc.. I am going to sit back and realize Green Bay's pick will probably be Chris Wells (hmmm bad?), a WR, or a trade into the 2nd round for 3-4 extra 7th round picks. WHO KNOWS.

jackalope
03-21-2009, 11:35 PM
When I wanted Thomspon to take Greg Olsen, he took Justin Harrell. When I wanted him to take Dustin Keller, he traded down and drafted Jordy Nelson in a position that was already deep on our team. We have noooo idea what TT is thinking.

His big board could be the complete opposite of any of ours. So instead of getting my hopes up for Raji, Orakpo, Maybin, Brown, etc.. I am going to sit back and realize Green Bay's pick will probably be Chris Wells (hmmm bad?), a WR, or a trade into the 2nd round for 3-4 extra 7th round picks. WHO KNOWS.

The difference in those years was we really didn't have many major holes, so Thompson could actually go for the best player available. Last year our one big need was a corner. At 30 there weren't really corners worth taking, and we addressed that need in the 2nd with Lee. 2007 we needed a runningback. Once Lynch was taken, there wasn't a runningback worth pick 16. I personally didn't think DT was a need, but some did, and obviously Thompson did. You obviously perceive tightend as a bigger need, but I don't think it is. I won't argue that Thompson is predictable. GMs shouldn't be predictable. Thompson is harder to read than most, but my point is that he isn't trying to surprise people. To say he will probably take Chris Wells or a widereceiver is stupid. He is aware that we have a defense filled with holes. I can't imagine him taking anything but a LT (which I am against) or a front seven player. As I've said earlier, the last time we had an obvious need and a high pick we made the obvious choice in AJ Hawk. I don't know what he's gonna do, but he's not an idiot.

Yatta!
03-22-2009, 07:05 AM
I think that is a key point, last time we had a high pick he did exactly what we expected. If he sticks at #9 then I think the majority of us will be happy with who TT takes (probably Orakpo, Brown or Jenkins imo). Obviously TT loves to trade down and we probably have the most marketable pick in the whole draft.

Whistler6
03-22-2009, 06:20 PM
The difference in those years was we really didn't have many major holes, so Thompson could actually go for the best player available. Last year our one big need was a corner. At 30 there weren't really corners worth taking, and we addressed that need in the 2nd with Lee. 2007 we needed a runningback. Once Lynch was taken, there wasn't a runningback worth pick 16. I personally didn't think DT was a need, but some did, and obviously Thompson did. You obviously perceive tightend as a bigger need, but I don't think it is. I won't argue that Thompson is predictable. GMs shouldn't be predictable. Thompson is harder to read than most, but my point is that he isn't trying to surprise people. To say he will probably take Chris Wells or a widereceiver is stupid. He is aware that we have a defense filled with holes. I can't imagine him taking anything but a LT (which I am against) or a front seven player. As I've said earlier, the last time we had an obvious need and a high pick we made the obvious choice in AJ Hawk. I don't know what he's gonna do, but he's not an idiot.

My point wasn't that TT will draft a RB, WR or whatever... What I was trying to say is that we have no clue what TT is thinking. His big board could be nothing like Scott's or any other draft sites for that matter. He is unpredictable.

Burger
03-22-2009, 08:21 PM
I cannot Wait until the 2011 Draft, where Javid Best will be in the draft. He'd be the best Zone Scheme RB ever.

princefielder28
03-22-2009, 09:07 PM
I cannot Wait until the 2011 Draft, where Javid Best will be in the draft. He'd be the best Zone Scheme RB ever.

Let's worry about 2009 and 2010 first....haha

Burger
03-22-2009, 09:08 PM
I hate being a Cal fan , when your favorite NFL team doesnt need a center, who can be just as good as Dermonti Dawson.
I would Laugh if TT picked him in the second round.

Zycho32
03-23-2009, 01:58 PM
Mack in the 2nd? Wouldn't put it past TT. Wouldn't ***** about it either if it did happen. All told it would probably still be an improvement, even if not in a position of dire need (which I'm assuming everyone here is aggressively dialed in for).

ChezPower4
03-23-2009, 02:19 PM
I cannot Wait until the 2011 Draft, where Javid Best will be in the draft. He'd be the best Zone Scheme RB ever.

I think Best will enter next years draft to be honest

princefielder28
03-23-2009, 02:24 PM
Packers will start the season Sunday night at home against Chicago and will also play the Lions on Thanksgiving, according to the Boston Herald.

jackalope
03-23-2009, 02:35 PM
Packers will start the season Sunday night at home against Chicago and will also play the Lions on Thanksgiving, according to the Boston Herald.

Awesome, I love Thanksgiving games.

GB12
03-23-2009, 03:03 PM
Awesome, I love Thanksgiving games.
I hate them.

1. I'm going to watch it no matter what, no need to waste a Packer game there.

2. I'll be with family and won'treally be able to pay attention to the game as much as I'd like.

3. We usually don't play well against Detroit when it's on Thanksgiving.

someone447
03-23-2009, 03:18 PM
I hate them.

1. I'm going to watch it no matter what, no need to waste a Packer game there.

2. I'll be with family and won'treally be able to pay attention to the game as much as I'd like.

3. We usually don't play well against Detroit when it's on Thanksgiving.

It's not like it matters how well you play against Detroit.

jackalope
03-23-2009, 03:32 PM
I hate them.

1. I'm going to watch it no matter what, no need to waste a Packer game there.

2. I'll be with family and won'treally be able to pay attention to the game as much as I'd like.

3. We usually don't play well against Detroit when it's on Thanksgiving.

I never eat until usually 3:00. I'll watch whatever game is on, but the Titans killing the Lions doesn't distract me enough from wanting to eat.

NickCollins36
03-23-2009, 07:27 PM
Yes! This is one of the few packer games i get to watch..because i live in Detroit

Burger
03-23-2009, 07:43 PM
I bet we take Javid Best when he comes out. It looks like McCarthy is Gravitating towards a Don Croyell Offense.
I'd be happy as hell if GB took Mack. He'd be a upgrade over Wells as a rookie, Mack would be a Ted Thompson pick.

johbur
03-23-2009, 08:19 PM
Put down your favorite 25 players at #9, and cross them all off.

Ain't that the truth. Now, because TT is at #9, he might keep the pick and take Orakpo, Raji, Brown or Jenkins. He had the #5 and took Hawk, which pretty much every mock had him taking, except for those (guilty as charged) who really have wanted a dynamic TE, and are disappointed every year when VD (Hawk a way better pick), Olsen (Harrell a way worse pick) and Keller (Jordy about equal to him) have gone by the wayside. Finley showed some promise late and I like Lee, but a guy like Jared Cook in R2 would be pleasing.

I have altered the picks I look at for GB in that small school unkown guys and guys that were great the year prior but had an injury get a +5 rounds from me when I look at where they'll go. Ted just seems to like picks beyond the pale that show he knows more than everyone else.

Yatta!
03-24-2009, 06:57 AM
Packers interested in signing ex-Bills OG/C Duke Preston per rotoworld.

Zycho32
03-24-2009, 09:03 PM
Well, throw the ZBS out of consideration and it's actually a pretty savvy pick.

He's still fairly young, has good size, had enough talent and production out of college to be a mid-round selection, and has some flexibility on the line. These are the kinds of players you want in reserve for the OL; potential youngsters who can step up when needed.

It's not so much a 'diamond in the rough' as finding a 'perfectly salvageable gizmo in the garbage dump'.

ChezPower4
03-24-2009, 09:58 PM
Yes! This is one of the few packer games i get to watch..because i live in Detroit

You need to invest in NFL Sunday Ticket, It is one of the best investments I make all year :D

Yatta!
03-25-2009, 07:50 AM
Tauscher apparently won't be fit until October and is unlikely to catch on anywhere. I could see us picking him up just before the season starts in the hope that he can get in playing shape quickly but it looks like his career could be over.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/41796527.html

jackalope
03-25-2009, 09:38 AM
Tauscher apparently won't be fit until October and is unlikely to catch on anywhere. I could see us picking him up just before the season starts in the hope that he can get in playing shape quickly but it looks like his career could be over.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/41796527.html

Yeah, I would guess it's the end of his career. Too bad for Tausch, always one of my favorite Packers.

Whistler6
03-25-2009, 10:27 AM
I would give him a Eric Gagne style deal... performanced/incentive based. He deserves better, but it'll be hard to count on a guy with knee problems especially when he's getting up there in age.

ps. Eric Mangini has invited Favre to Browns practices to help out and work with the players. Um??