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TitleTown088
10-21-2009, 10:34 AM
http://www.packers.com/news/releases/2009/10/21/1/

official

drowe
10-21-2009, 10:49 AM
http://www.packers.com/news/releases/2009/10/21/1/

official

i don't think i could be less excited about this move. if he makes any real impact the rest of the year, i'll eat my hat.

Packystan
10-21-2009, 11:13 AM
http://i.packers.com/pg/green_ahman_2006/photo7.jpg

AJHawk50
10-21-2009, 11:19 AM
He's baaack...:P.

awfullyquiet
10-21-2009, 12:12 PM
rXx9nK0qFZM

Whistler6
10-21-2009, 12:56 PM
I think Dominic Rhodes or even bringing up a fresh Kregg Lumpkin would have been a better move. The players, especially Barnett, seem to be on board so maybe that has something to do with it.

We'll see.

TitleTown088
10-21-2009, 02:10 PM
rXx9nK0qFZM

Oh my gosh, why would you do that to us? Look at her fupa in the thong thingy. Ick.

PackerLegend
10-21-2009, 04:32 PM
Green needs 47 yards to become the all time Packers rusher. Is he getting his #30 from Kuhn?

RockJock07
10-21-2009, 04:52 PM
Green needs 47 yards to become the all time Packers rusher. Is he getting his #30 from Kuhn?

No, he'll be wearing #34. Kinda weird but he won't get those yards this week, he'll be inactive.

On another note, what do the Packers do with AJ Hawk. Going back to that draft year I was torn between Hawk and Vernon Davis. Davis has shown some life of late but really, both those picks have disappointed. I just wonder what has happened to AJ.

PackerLegend
10-21-2009, 06:57 PM
Its a good thing we didnt draft Davis because after the 49ers took him he said how happy he was Green Bay didnt.

Just heard on NFL Live that alot of Browns players are sick with the flu... Great so now the Packers can be sick for Minnesota.

NickCollins36
10-21-2009, 08:55 PM
No, he'll be wearing #34. Kinda weird but he won't get those yards this week, he'll be inactive.

On another note, what do the Packers do with AJ Hawk. Going back to that draft year I was torn between Hawk and Vernon Davis. Davis has shown some life of late but really, both those picks have disappointed. I just wonder what has happened to AJ.

Ya it's really disappointing AJ isnt the player i thought hed develop into...Kinda sucks.. only if we had the 5th pick in the Adrian Peterson draft:(

EvilMonkey
10-21-2009, 10:16 PM
http://www.coolrom.com/screenshots/snes/Batman%20Returns.gif

need a 3rd down back, he should at least be able to handle that. Maybe finds the fountain of youth and anything more he can provide is a bonus. Not a great move, but solid and worth it.

Whistler6
10-21-2009, 10:49 PM
Ya it's really disappointing AJ isnt the player i thought hed develop into...Kinda sucks.. only if we had the 5th pick in the Adrian Peterson draft:(

Hawk talks each year about how much time he spends in the weight room...I think maybe he should drop 10 pounds and try to gain a little speed. He looks slow on the field. Just a body. I like the guy, but he isn't living up to the hype.

TitleTown088
10-21-2009, 10:59 PM
If you missed it...

v5ik--HJ4gk

Smokey
10-21-2009, 11:27 PM
Just heard on NFL Live that alot of Browns players are sick with the flu... Great so now the Packers can be sick for Minnesota.

No doubt. All that mix of sweat, blood and spit. Swine flu comes to Lambeau.

Hell, we'll all have had it by the end of winter.

Whistler6
10-22-2009, 12:03 AM
No doubt. All that mix of sweat, blood and spit. Swine flu comes to Lambeau.

Hell, we'll all have had it by the end of winter.

Supposedly 6 starters including Brodney Pool, Shaun Rogers, Chaunsi Stuckey, Alex Mack...Not to mention Kamerion Wimbley was out with flu like symptoms last week as well. Yikes, should be a beat down. Key word "should".

PACKmanN
10-22-2009, 09:04 AM
If you missed it...

v5ik--HJ4gk
Justin is a Packers fan? I thought he was a Favre/Bears fan.

drowe
10-22-2009, 09:07 AM
2 things i don't care about.

1-the packers signing Ahman Green. if he can even match what Deshawn Wynn brought to the table, i'll be impressed. but, he is only 46 yards away from passing Jim Taylor as the all time leading rusher. so, that's exciting.

2-the Browns having Pork Sars. ...or the R2D2 virus. or whatever it's called. Anybody who gets excited because the CLEVELAND BROWNS might not be at full strength needs to re-think the season. If we can't beat the healthy Browns, the season is over anyway.

Whistler6
10-22-2009, 05:36 PM
2 things i don't care about.

1-the packers signing Ahman Green. if he can even match what Deshawn Wynn brought to the table, i'll be impressed. but, he is only 46 yards away from passing Jim Taylor as the all time leading rusher. so, that's exciting.

2-the Browns having Pork Sars. ...or the R2D2 virus. or whatever it's called. Anybody who gets excited because the CLEVELAND BROWNS might not be at full strength needs to re-think the season. If we can't beat the healthy Browns, the season is over anyway.

Wonder who AJ Hawk's wife will be rooting for. Hubby AJ, or her brother Brady Quinn. I guess the excitement is somewhat gone after neither have really lived up to the hype and will be seeing a lot of the bench.

badgerbacker
10-22-2009, 06:28 PM
Maybe she'll wear that weird half jersey thing again and try to support both of them.

johbur
10-25-2009, 02:58 PM
Bench? AJ is the leading tackler in this game. Looking at Anderson's 12/29 and 1 pick, Quinn should be in there, too...

Just as I had my gloat on with the Steelers and the fumble return, Harvin returns a kick... Go Steelers!

drowe
10-26-2009, 01:24 PM
Brett Swain out for the year. they're gonna get another WR before sunday...possibly Jake Allen from the practice squad.

Jermichael Finley likely won't play sunday. suck.

more praise for Lang. sounds very likely, the same 5 guys will start on sunday Lang-Colledge-Wells-Sitton-Barbre

TitleTown088
10-26-2009, 01:58 PM
Brett Swain out for the year. they're gonna get another WR before sunday...possibly Jake Allen from the practice squad.

Jermichael Finley likely won't play sunday. suck.

more praise for Lang. sounds very likely, the same 5 guys will start on sunday Lang-Colledge-Wells-Sitton-Barbre

Uh.. Nelson is out a few more weeks too. Sucks to lose Finley/sawin a week before we play the crappy vikings secondary. I wonder who they go after if they don't activate jake Allen? Galloway? Koren?.. Dare I say Turd?

Whistler6
10-26-2009, 05:00 PM
Finley is a bigger loss this weak than any other. He is a giant mismatch against the Vikings, and it sucks big that he won't be out there. Havner did well, but he's not the talent JerMichael is.

The Steelers provided the blueprint of how to beat the Vikings. Obvious yeah, but smack Favre around and mistakes will be made. (Even though the INT at the end was *not* his fault)

tjsunstein
10-26-2009, 05:06 PM
Finley is a bigger loss this weak than any other. He is a giant mismatch against the Vikings, and it sucks big that he won't be out there. Havner did well, but he's not the talent JerMichael is.

The Steelers provided the blueprint of how to beat the Vikings. Obvious yeah, but smack Favre around and mistakes will be made. (Even though the INT at the end was *not* his fault)

Favre can't be blamed at all for that loss. Childress is just an awful head coach. The play calling continues to be bad.

Jermichael Finley is definitely the biggest loss. He really needed to be healthy for Sunday. Gonna be an interesting game.

TitleTown088
10-26-2009, 05:36 PM
Favre can't be blamed at all for that loss. Childress is just an awful head coach. .

Of course he can, Brent fumbled the rock and threw the pick not Chilly. I know Chester could have caught it, but it wasn't a good pass either.

GB12
10-26-2009, 11:03 PM
With all the complaining the past couple weeks about Kampman being ineffective and how we should trade him, and all that crap I think I should point some things out.

1. He's been awesome against the run from the stand up position. He's kept contain very well and forces the runner back inside.

2. He is currently tied for 16th in sacks. While that's not the high level we've come to expect from Kampman that's still good. And a 2 sack game will launch him into the top 5.

3. He's still figuring out the position and the coaches are still figuring out how to use him. We should see him playing with his hand down a little more and his blitzing from the LB spot could pick up too. As the season goes on we should see the results more clearly.

4. He's getting a lot of pressure on the QB still, often coming up a fraction of a second short of a sack. Even if he's not getting official pressures he's forcing the QB to throw early.

5. He's still a focus of the offense. Opponents still slide protection to his side and plan around him. He's freeing up our other players. Clay Matthews has gotten 2 of his sacks thanks to Kampman.

I've been meaning to post that for a while. I just think people have become down on him because they don't see the production in the numbers, when in reality Kampman is still one of the best players on our defense.

cvv84
10-26-2009, 11:17 PM
Ran into Mark Tauscher and Al Harris today at the Casino. Tauscher looked like his normal huge self but he was walking fine, thats after he stepped away from the poker table. Harris was betting large at the craps table and I think he cleaned up a bit.

drowe
10-27-2009, 07:56 AM
Ran into Mark Tauscher and Al Harris today at the Casino. Tauscher looked like his normal huge self but he was walking fine, thats after he stepped away from the poker table. Harris was betting large at the craps table and I think he cleaned up a bit.

awesome. were they at Oneida?

best part about having Mark Tauscher back...i see him out and about all the time.

drowe
10-27-2009, 08:56 AM
Also, it should be mentioned that Clay Matthews was voted the Rookie of the Week for week 6.

he's was the first person NOT named Mark Sanchez or Knowshon Moreno to win the award.

umphrey
10-27-2009, 02:04 PM
He's going to be a solid OLB for years and years. I don't expect any big jumps in production but he will steadily improve like Kampman did from his rookie year to NFC sack leader in 06 or 07 or something. Seems so rare to see a rookie healthy and producing on field these days.

I love how whenever I check stats at nfl.com Charles Woodson is perpetually in the top 5 in interceptions. He's not a gambler like some other players you see on that list, he's a shutdown cover corner as well.

princefielder28
10-27-2009, 03:42 PM
Aaron is on JRIB right now

drowe
10-27-2009, 03:48 PM
10 Games Left. time to break it down.
I still think the division is out of reach. even if the Packers win on sunday, the Vikings are gonna be hard to stay even with.
And, for the wild card, it comes down to Green Bay, Chicago, Atlanta, and 2 of the NFC East teams that don't win the division.

Out of our 10 games, 6 are tough. 4 are situations where we're clearly the better team. We CANNOT afford a let down in any of these 4 games:

Tampa Bay-I think they're the worst team in the NFL. But, they're coming off a bye, we're coming off what is sure to be an emotional, hard fought game.
Detroit-Again, we're the better team, but we have to play 'em in their Superbowl.
San Fransisco-Some people might say they're wild card contenders. I'm not buying it.
Seattle-Can't read this team. So so so inconsistent.

Then, out of the 6 tough games, we need to go 3-3.

Minnesota-This one sets the tone. Lose and we really can forget about the division. Win, and we're basically Bears fans for the rest of the year (as they still play the 'queens twice).

Dallas-HUGE playoff tiebreaker implications here. If we lose this one, we should really hope Dallas wins the division as it'd be real hard to beat 'em out for a wild card when they have the tie breaker.

Baltimore-Still mad at them for missing that FG. gah. life would be so much easier if that kick went through. They better beat the Bears, then roll over when we play 'em to make up for it.

@Chicago-closest game to being moved into the other category. We were the only team that had to play the Bears when they were remotely healthy. Now, we're a better team, and they're a worse team than what we saw in week 1. Win this game and we look REAL good for finishing ahead of the Bears with a tiebreaker. Lose and, it's a dog fight 'til the end.

@Pittsburgh-Out of the 6 games listed in this category, this would be the most acceptable loss. On the road, against an AFC team. We're not gonna win all these games, and if I had to pick one to lose, this is it.

@Arizona-To close the season. We should all be hoping for them to keep winning and SF to keep losing. I think we can handle them at full strength, but, ya gotta like the prospect of playing them, when we have a playoff berth or division title on the line and they have nothing to play for.

TitleTown088
10-27-2009, 04:07 PM
Jake Allen was signed to the active roster.

TitleTown088
10-27-2009, 10:43 PM
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING&season=2009&seasonType=REG

Gosh he's a stud. Imagine if the Oline could keep him clean.

Favre4ever
10-28-2009, 11:34 AM
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING&season=2009&seasonType=REG

Gosh he's a stud. Imagine if the Oline could keep him clean.

Give him Dallas's O-line and he would practically be 1st in every category.

AJHawk50
10-28-2009, 11:49 AM
Favre's '96 Packers: '09 Vikings aren't better

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4601368

badgerbacker
10-28-2009, 02:50 PM
I'm trying to be open minded and all I can come up with are Adrian Peterson, Jared Allen, Steve Hutchinson, and Kevin Williams. Those are the only people I see on the current Vikings that have arguments for possibly starting on the '96 Packer team.

drowe
10-28-2009, 03:39 PM
Some big games with potential playoff implications this week, other than the big one at Lambeau...

Falcons @ Saints-really, as Packer fans, we should pull hard for the Saints. If they win, it puts them in firm control of the division and just knocks the Falcons another game back in the Wildcard race.

Giants @ Eagles-If the Giants lose, they'll surprisingly turn into a wild card chaser, when, just 2 weeks ago, I thought they were clear favorites in the division. Also, the Giants got fat on some bad teams. Losing would really raise some questions as to how good they really are. Plus, unlike the Eagles, the Giants play the Vikings this year. If they were competing for the Packers for a wildcard spot, it'd be great to watch a situation where either them or the 'queens had to lose.

Bears-Browns-probably a non-issue, but, it'll be a good barometer of if the Bears are really as bad as they looked last week.

PackerLegend
10-28-2009, 04:32 PM
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING&season=2009&seasonType=REG

Gosh he's a stud. Imagine if the Oline could keep him clean.

Yes he is.... Still hear retards from time to time say how the Packers should still have Brent Farve instead of Rodgers. How I want to stab them in the forehead for stupidity!

jackalope
10-28-2009, 04:56 PM
Favre's '96 Packers: '09 Vikings aren't better

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4601368

I like to see those comments coming from those guys.

Yes, Rodgers has been amazing this year. I'm glad I drafted him in all three of my fantasy leagues.

We'll be going up against Josh Freeman in his first career start at QB next week. Should be a good game for our defense.

TitleTown088
10-28-2009, 06:31 PM
http://packers.com/news/stories/2009/10/28/2/

Just how good is he playing? Well he won NFC player of the month... and

...with Rodgers posting a career-high and franchise-record 155.4 pass-efficiency rating last Sunday in Cleveland.

That performance lifted Rodgers to No. 2 in the league this season in passer rating at 110.8, behind only Indianapolis' Peyton Manning (114.5). His rating on third downs (142.6) is best in the league, and in the fourth quarter (118.4), it's third. Never afraid to take a shot deep if it's there, Rodgers' eight completions of at least 40 yards rank tied for first in the league, while his interception percentage (1.1) is third lowest.

Dating back to the St. Louis game in Week 3, Rodgers has posted four consecutive games with a passer rating above 110.0, making him the only quarterback in franchise history to accomplish that other than Bart Starr.

Whistler6
10-28-2009, 10:09 PM
I love Leroy Butler and everything he says. Everything written in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel regarding Butler's thoughts on this week is spot on. I have so many thoughts, emotions, hatred, love, resentment, regret, etc etc etc building this week. Instead of talking all about it like I did last time, I am just going to sit back and enjoy the show. That and NOT tune into ESPN for the next 3-4 days.

Rodgers has been lights out, and I can't wait to see a great game. Winfield being out is as big as if Woodson were missing for the Packers.

drowe
10-29-2009, 09:10 AM
McCarthy had more great comments about TJ Lang. sounds pretty confident Lang is a long term answer at tackle. great to hear.

GB12
10-29-2009, 01:39 PM
I love Leroy Butler and everything he says. Everything written in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel regarding Butler's thoughts on this week is spot on. I have so many thoughts, emotions, hatred, love, resentment, regret, etc etc etc building this week. Instead of talking all about it like I did last time, I am just going to sit back and enjoy the show. That and NOT tune into ESPN for the next 3-4 days.

Rodgers has been lights out, and I can't wait to see a great game. Winfield being out is as big as if Woodson were missing for the Packers.
3-4 days? I haven't tuned into ESPN for the past 12-18 months and don't plan to change. There is seriously nothing good on there that is new. Sports Center is complete garbage. It's only the very mainstream stories that you've already heard all about mixed with crappy stories about how someone overcame hardships to play sports.

The only time I ever watch ESPN is when they are airing a game. I suggest others do the same. You will be better informed from just reading this forum than watching ESPN. If you need more than that use all the online resources available to you. The internet is the way to go now a days.

AJHawk50
10-29-2009, 02:13 PM
Today on ESPN2 First Take, they talked to William Henderson about the game. He was saying how he is going to be booing Brett Favre, and hopes the other Packer fans will as he believes. He thought 80% boos, 20% cheers. He was spot on as well.

He was saying that after the game down the road we can cheer again for him, but right now he has earned the right to be booed by going to the Vikings.

PackerLegend
10-29-2009, 04:00 PM
Hell ya boooooooooooooo Brent Farve!

Whistler6
10-29-2009, 08:59 PM
3-4 days? I haven't tuned into ESPN for the past 12-18 months and don't plan to change. There is seriously nothing good on there that is new. Sports Center is complete garbage. It's only the very mainstream stories that you've already heard all about mixed with crappy stories about how someone overcame hardships to play sports.

The only time I ever watch ESPN is when they are airing a game. I suggest others do the same. You will be better informed from just reading this forum than watching ESPN. If you need more than that use all the online resources available to you. The internet is the way to go now a days.

So true. I used to DVR an entire Sportscenter or ESPNews episode just so I could fast forward to the 2 seconds of Brewer highlights. Most of the time, they are just flat out skipped.

This week though, I need to be spared the Favre-fest. Give me game day and the Packers announcers.

TitleTown088
10-30-2009, 11:16 AM
McCarthy had more great comments about TJ Lang. sounds pretty confident Lang is a long term answer at tackle. great to hear.

That would be awesome if he turned out to be a good LT, but there are sill those who doubt his size and arm length for LT. Maybe he could be a Matt Light type LT, a little undersized, but just gets the job done. Perhaps its not likely he'll be that good, but that would be real sweet if TT didn't have to spend the first rounder of a LT next year.

Pack_Attack_4
10-30-2009, 01:09 PM
That would be awesome if he turned out to be a good LT, but there are sill those who doubt his size and arm length for LT. Maybe he could be a Matt Light type LT, a little undersized, but just gets the job done. Perhaps its not likely he'll be that good, but that would be real sweet if TT didn't have to spend the first rounder of a LT next year.

lets hope tausher can come back and be a good RT if this happens we can use our 1st rounder on the D witch needs a pass rusher imo.

A Rodgers12
10-30-2009, 03:07 PM
McCarthy had more great comments about TJ Lang. sounds pretty confident Lang is a long term answer at tackle. great to hear.

I think the team should go LT with the first pick in next years draft. Protecting Aaron should be the teams first priority, but that being said, I would love to see Lang at RT next to Sitton. Lang and Sitton's strong suits are their run blocking ability. Both are big guys that play with that nasty edge. That would give the us nice strong right side for a long time. I'm also intrigued with Allen Barbre, not at RT however, at LG. He's always been praised by the coaches about how good he is in the run game. Which is probably the only reason why he wasnt benched for Breno after his woeful start. He obviously has the ability to pass protect, and he has a big enough frame to withstand all the havoc of the interior line. Who knows, maybe give a whirl this offseason.

TitleTown088
10-30-2009, 03:46 PM
lets hope tausher can come back and be a good RT if this happens we can use our 1st rounder on the D witch needs a pass rusher imo.

Barbre has been playing fine at RT since the first game, he's a an upgrade over taush in the run game.

cvv84
10-31-2009, 12:50 PM
awesome. were they at Oneida?

best part about having Mark Tauscher back...i see him out and about all the time.

Yes they were at Oneida. I think they hold meetings there on Mondays in the conference center. Also I was working there, not gambling on a Monday, just in case anyone was wondering lol

Barbre has been playing fine at RT since the first game, he's a an upgrade over taush in the run game.

I agree. Barbre has really been a non-issue since the 1st game of the season. Tauscher if you ask me is more of a backup plan and possibly motivation for the starters.

umphrey
11-01-2009, 07:37 PM
Colledge sucks. We should cut him and use TJ Lang at LG. I don't feel comfortable with Lang as our franchise left tackle. I think he'd do well inside and RT might be an option for him.

Also I have something to say to the OL coach: Stop wasting time on teaching guys multiple positions on the line. Most of them can't get one right. Get a backup for our left tackle that is actually a left tackle damnit.

And finally, the zone blocking scheme sucks horribly. Our linemen are weaklings that get pushed around in run and pass blocking and never open up any holes for a runner.

Favre4ever
11-01-2009, 07:49 PM
Colledge sucks. We should cut him and use TJ Lang at LG. I don't feel comfortable with Lang as our franchise left tackle. I think he'd do well inside and RT might be an option for him.

Also I have something to say to the OL coach: Stop wasting time on teaching guys multiple positions on the line. Most of them can't get one right. Get a backup for our left tackle that is actually a left tackle damnit.

Colledge is not the only one who sucked today. Wells got manhandled pretty much the whole game and I still dont like Barbre as our right tackle.

umphrey
11-01-2009, 08:04 PM
Colledge has sucked for years. I'm not over reacting because of the loss. I get the impression that he plays the game for the paychecks and tries just hard enough to keep his job.

Another guy who is on the outs...

AJ Hawk is gonna be gone soon. It's going to be a difficult situation with his high salaray and mediocre play. He's played 4-3 WLB and MLB and 3-4 ILB and he hasn't even shown flashes. Linebackers don't take much time to develop he is just a really expensive mediocre player. Gonna be hard to trade.

And our team could really use a pro bowl center. They aren't hard to find because they are low priority for most teams. But we need a leader in the middle of that line that can take command and make calls on the line. Also we are in a division with Tommie Harris and the Williams wall. We need to counter them with a strong, intense center.

I can't wait until our coaches realize that the ZBS we are running sucks horribly and is killing our team...and that the OL is really important and they stop trying to fill it with middle round draft picks.

It's getting easy to predict the sack leader of the week. It's been whoever played us 6 / 8 weeks including this one (Jared Allen - 3) who was followed by teammate Ray Edwards who had 2. Assuming that doesn't change after the Monday night game. The two weeks where it wasn't we were on bye and playing Cleveland.

cvv84
11-01-2009, 08:46 PM
Colledge sucks. We should cut him and use TJ Lang at LG. I don't feel comfortable with Lang as our franchise left tackle. I think he'd do well inside and RT might be an option for him.

Also I have something to say to the OL coach: Stop wasting time on teaching guys multiple positions on the line. Most of them can't get one right. Get a backup for our left tackle that is actually a left tackle damnit.

And finally, the zone blocking scheme sucks horribly. Our linemen are weaklings that get pushed around in run and pass blocking and never open up any holes for a runner.

Bingo. I hate this scheme and wish we'd just scrap it already. And since we're a cold weather team we're going to need to run the ball and simply can't do that behind a like of 290-310 lbs guys. Spitz, Sitton, and maybe even Giacomini could be part of a power line but we'll need to replace pretty much everyone else.

TitleTown088
11-01-2009, 09:15 PM
Colledge sucks. We should cut him and use TJ Lang at LG. .

Are you kidding me? Colledge is probably our best lineman at this point.


Chilalr broke his hand and Rodgers messed up his ankle/foot agian.

umphrey
11-01-2009, 11:06 PM
He plays way too soft. His pass blocking is decent, but he's blocking DTs that aren't pass rushers. His run blocking ranges from poor to nonexistant.

Whistler6
11-01-2009, 11:49 PM
On a positive note, I took the under (3) on Deanna Favre cameo shots...

RockJock07
11-02-2009, 08:46 AM
Colledge has sucked for years. I'm not over reacting because of the loss. I get the impression that he plays the game for the paychecks and tries just hard enough to keep his job.

Another guy who is on the outs...

AJ Hawk is gonna be gone soon. It's going to be a difficult situation with his high salaray and mediocre play. He's played 4-3 WLB and MLB and 3-4 ILB and he hasn't even shown flashes. Linebackers don't take much time to develop he is just a really expensive mediocre player. Gonna be hard to trade.

And our team could really use a pro bowl center. They aren't hard to find because they are low priority for most teams. But we need a leader in the middle of that line that can take command and make calls on the line. Also we are in a division with Tommie Harris and the Williams wall. We need to counter them with a strong, intense center.

I can't wait until our coaches realize that the ZBS we are running sucks horribly and is killing our team...and that the OL is really important and they stop trying to fill it with middle round draft picks.

It's getting easy to predict the sack leader of the week. It's been whoever played us 6 / 8 weeks including this one (Jared Allen - 3) who was followed by teammate Ray Edwards who had 2. Assuming that doesn't change after the Monday night game. The two weeks where it wasn't we were on bye and playing Cleveland.

yeah, AJ is probably the hardest guy to figure out. He was just such a beast and could really do anything he wanted at Ohio State and even had a good rookie year here, but man, he's just fallen off the face of the earth. He was one of those guys that wasnt a burner but would always play soundly, now his ass is riding pine because he has no clue out there.

MM and TT are on a slipery slope here. I agreed with how they handled the Farve thing, they showed balls when in today's NFL people are always so conservative, always saying and doing the right things. TT knew that Farve going to MIN was always a possiblity and both he and MM had to deal with it when and if that day game. When it did, they came out with egg on their face.

It would be different if the Packers had played sound up front on the OL and played at least decent coverage but when they get spanked like they did both games its like throwing gas on a fire that doesn't need any.

Looking forward, i believe their is room in their schedule to allow the Packers to beat teams that playoff teams would. Beating Dallas, San Fran, pitt, Balt, and Chicago would allow this team to be taken seriously and maybe even contend in a playoff race. If this packers teams flops, MM is gone for sure and TT may be right behind him.

Whistler6
11-02-2009, 09:48 AM
yeah, AJ is probably the hardest guy to figure out. He was just such a beast and could really do anything he wanted at Ohio State and even had a good rookie year here, but man, he's just fallen off the face of the earth. He was one of those guys that wasnt a burner but would always play soundly, now his ass is riding pine because he has no clue out there.

MM and TT are on a slipery slope here. I agreed with how they handled the Farve thing, they showed balls when in today's NFL people are always so conservative, always saying and doing the right things. TT knew that Farve going to MIN was always a possiblity and both he and MM had to deal with it when and if that day game. When it did, they came out with egg on their face.

It would be different if the Packers had played sound up front on the OL and played at least decent coverage but when they get spanked like they did both games its like throwing gas on a fire that doesn't need any.

Looking forward, i believe their is room in their schedule to allow the Packers to beat teams that playoff teams would. Beating Dallas, San Fran, pitt, Balt, and Chicago would allow this team to be taken seriously and maybe even contend in a playoff race. If this packers teams flops, MM is gone for sure and TT may be right behind him.

AJ Hawk looks slow. He's 6-1 255? Yeah he's probably 8% body fat, but on the field he looks like he has had 1 too many Gilbert Burgers

Blah blah blah...poor coaching...blah blah blah...stupid penalties...blah blah sacks...blah blah no run game...blah blah blah...Brett Favre had all day...blah blah blah...special teams...............Green Bay lost, the better team won.

It hurts BAD, but the Packers are simply not on the level of the top NFC teams and nowhere near being there. Right now it hurts like hell, but in 2 years when Brett favre is gone and Rodgers and the rest of the core are hitting their prime, these feelings will be washed completely away.

bearsfan_51
11-02-2009, 10:34 AM
You guys whine too much, you've still got a great shot at the playoffs.

Pack_Attack_4
11-02-2009, 11:11 AM
You guys whine too much, you've still got a great shot at the playoffs.

I totally agree losing to the viks sucks but we got an easy game this week vs the bucs with a win here 5-3 isnt that bad of a record,

cvv84
11-02-2009, 11:42 AM
I totally agree losing to the viks sucks but we got an easy game this week vs the bucs with a win here 5-3 isnt that bad of a record,

Wins over the Browns, Lions, and Rams are nothing to gloat about. The Bears game was our only win over a quality opponent. The record is almost as bad as an idicator as our defensive standing is.

drowe
11-02-2009, 12:31 PM
good news is; we've lost to some good teams. and that win against the bears is looking bigger and bigger every week.

well, the race for the wild card officially started yesterday. time to start cheering against teams like the giants, cowboys, eagles, falcons and bears.

Boston
11-02-2009, 12:47 PM
I completely agree with scrapping the ZBS. It doesn't make sense...at all. We adopted this a few years ago with the idea that at this point in time we would be able to turn any runner into a 1000 yard back, and that just hasn't happened yet. We can't pass block, and we can't run block, so it's time for a change. It didn't even make sense in the first place turning a cold weather team into a finesse based offensive line. Just pathetic, I want to see a real ground game for a change, because we don't have one.

cvv84
11-02-2009, 01:43 PM
I completely agree with scrapping the ZBS. It doesn't make sense...at all. We adopted this a few years ago with the idea that at this point in time we would be able to turn any runner into a 1000 yard back, and that just hasn't happened yet. We can't pass block, and we can't run block, so it's time for a change. It didn't even make sense in the first place turning a cold weather team into a finesse based offensive line. Just pathetic, I want to see a real ground game for a change, because we don't have one.

Yeah, we need those brute guys upfront like when we had a line of Clifton, Wahle, Flanagan, Rivera, and Tauscher. It just sucks because this already another part of the team that needs an overhaul after shifting the defense to the 3-4.

TitleTown088
11-02-2009, 01:59 PM
I completely agree with scrapping the ZBS. It doesn't make sense...at all. We adopted this a few years ago with the idea that at this point in time we would be able to turn any runner into a 1000 yard back, and that just hasn't happened yet. We can't pass block, and we can't run block, so it's time for a change. It didn't even make sense in the first place turning a cold weather team into a finesse based offensive line. Just pathetic, I want to see a real ground game for a change, because we don't have one. There are 8 home games a season and what 3-4 of them are in the cold ? ZBS excelled in cold weather Denver for years. How did the ZBS do in the cold weather game vs Seattle in 2007? The entire 2007 season ZBS did great,what was different about 2007? We didn't have crap Tackles.ZBS is not that much different than a power scheme in reality. The ZBS was never some intimidate cure, and it comes down to individual players making blocks and that's not something that is happening. No scheme is going to succeed without players executing their job in the scheme.

It's not like our players are "weaklings" either. Colledge is bigger than Whale in 2004 and Spitz is the same size as Rivera. Wells is probably the only guy on the Oline who is undersized, and he dosen't even start when the line is healthy.





You guys whine too much, you've still got a great shot at the playoffs. Leave it to you, a bears fan, to be even-keeled. However, you do need to take in account how much losing to the favre-led Vikings pisses Packer fans off.

I'm not pressing the panic button just yet, but I don't know if I'd call it a great shot. They will have huge games coming up vs the 49ers, Cardinals and cowboys, those are probably going to be must win games.

I do need to ask you however, about your comment when we drafted Matthews. You said he " sucks". He's sure playing well for a rookie... :)

Boston
11-02-2009, 03:11 PM
There are 8 home games a season and what 3-4 of them are in the cold ? ZBS excelled in cold weather Denver for years. How did the ZBS do in the cold weather game vs Seattle in 2007? The entire 2007 season ZBS did great,what was different about 2007? We didn't have crap Tackles.ZBS is not that much different than a power scheme in reality. The ZBS was never some intimidate cure, and it comes down to individual players making blocks and that's not something that is happening. No scheme is going to succeed without players executing their job in the scheme.

It's not like our players are "weaklings" either. Colledge is bigger than Whale in 2004 and Spitz is the same size as Rivera. Wells is probably the only guy on the Oline who is undersized, and he dosen't even start when the line is healthy.

Yeah, but those three or four home games are quite a bit more important than the others. Even in 2007 when Grant was having his breakout year our offensive line, or running game in general, was way too inconsistent. I'm just drawing off memory here, but it seemed every game Grant broke 1 big run which padded his average, and then did nothing but get 1 or 2 yard gains for the rest of the game.

TitleTown088
11-02-2009, 03:39 PM
Yeah, but those three or four home games are quite a bit more important than the others. Even in 2007 when Grant was having his breakout year our offensive line, or running game in general, was way too inconsistent. I'm just drawing off memory here, but it seemed every game Grant broke 1 big run which padded his average, and then did nothing but get 1 or 2 yard gains for the rest of the game.

That's definitely not correct memory. Grant tore it up in 2007. Besides you can't take out long runs... What has AD been this season without his long runs? Not overly impressive. Those long runs are what you work towards.

umphrey
11-02-2009, 03:51 PM
Our running game was around the bottom of the league for the first 8 games of 07. By the time Grant came in opponents were so worried about the pass they were playing nickel all game and we would get some good runs every game.

This is yet another reason why we need to revamp our running game. We are a pass first team. Look at some other pass first teams - Eagles, Colts, Saints, how they run the football. We should be using fast, agile, open field runners and calling draw plays, delayed handoffs and screens. You know, the plays most coaches have in their book to COUNTER THE BLITZ!!!

Instead of a fullback we should have an extra receiver most plays. Teams will respect that against us - it pulls a guy out of the box automatically. With a fullback there's gonna be another guy in the box so even if your fullback wins the battle against 1 guy you break even, but most of the time you lose. It's more complicated than that, but our way has shown failure time and time again for us.

jackalope
11-02-2009, 04:05 PM
Yeah, the game sucked. We had a lot of issues, but field position may have been the biggest difference. I still think we'll go 10-6, which gives us a decent shot at a wild-card (and possibly another chance against Minnesota). Everybody wanted that game more than any other on the schedule, but the season is far from over. Not time to start scrapping everything yet.

GB12
11-02-2009, 04:34 PM
You guys whine too much, you've still got a great shot at the playoffs.
I hate to say it, but he's right. I've gotten sick of reading this forum. It's just a bunch of bitching and whining now and how we need to scrap this or fire that guy. This used to be a place where we were above the casual fan and could have good discussions, but it's turned into a bunch of complainers that make it just as bad.

umphrey
11-02-2009, 04:43 PM
Well what did you expect after Brett Favre comes to Lambeau and finishes the sweep against us? Most days I'm pretty optimistic but I think everyone is hating this team right now.

cvv84
11-02-2009, 05:19 PM
Well what did you expect after Brett Favre comes to Lambeau and finishes the sweep against us? Most days I'm pretty optimistic but I think everyone is hating this team right now.

I'm not even upset over the loss. Its the fact that I know this Packers team is a better team than they are playing. People are more so throwing around ideas on how to potentially fix the problem. Only someone with a negative mind set would take that as bitching and whining and complaining.

tjsunstein
11-02-2009, 05:22 PM
We beat ourselves. On special teams and penalties. That was a very winnable game.

Favre4ever
11-02-2009, 08:02 PM
We beat ourselves. On special teams and penalties. That was a very winnable game.

Imagine if Rodgers and the O-Line got going in the first half...Thats how scary good Aaron Rodgers can be.

PackerLegend
11-02-2009, 09:07 PM
Well I did want to win these 2 games against the Vikings more then anything the season is not close to over. Maybe if were lucky we can meet them in the playoffs and our offense will play both halves.

I will say this though, I havent been a fan of the ZBS and was hoping at some point it would go. Obviously not in the middle of the season but at some point. We tried it failed and now its time to move on. Just seems like a constant problem the last few years running the ball effectively.

TitleTown088
11-02-2009, 10:19 PM
I hate to say it, but he's right. I've gotten sick of reading this forum. It's just a bunch of bitching and whining now and how we need to scrap this or fire that guy. This used to be a place where we were above the casual fan and could have good discussions, but it's turned into a bunch of complainers that make it just as bad.

I concur. The only posts on this thread are complaints these days.



Did anyone see Collins run down Harvin on the kickoff? That was nuts. He was at a stop behind Harvin and Chased him down.

princefielder28
11-02-2009, 10:22 PM
I concur. The only posts on this thread are complaints these days.



Did anyone see Collins run down Harvin on the kickoff? That was nuts. He was at a stop behind Harvin and Chased him down.

I was pretty surprised by that play...I had to see the replay b/c I didn't think it could've been Collins but my eyes weren't lying to me

Boston
11-02-2009, 10:28 PM
I was actually surprised to see Collins on kickoff, but the guy is insanely fast.

RockJock07
11-02-2009, 10:32 PM
I concur. The only posts on this thread are complaints these days.



Did anyone see Collins run down Harvin on the kickoff? That was nuts. He was at a stop behind Harvin and Chased him down.

That's because the packers were supposed to be good this season, supposed to take that next step and make a serious run at the very least the NFC champ. game.

I come here and *****, and I'm not going to change anything because I listen to MM say the same things every week and nothing changes and it makes me feel better when i come here and vent.

I ***** about the OL because they are going to get a top 3 QB killed and when that happens, there will be no reason to watch the packers.

Besides, when I posted after the game I pointed out that Clay Matthews looks great, in fact he seems like he's the only player progressing. I'm excited to see him the rest of the season and I'm glad to see Greg Jennings getting back involved, he's a top 5 WR and we are very lucky to have him.

Whistler6
11-03-2009, 10:24 AM
I hate to say it, but he's right. I've gotten sick of reading this forum. It's just a bunch of bitching and whining now and how we need to scrap this or fire that guy. This used to be a place where we were above the casual fan and could have good discussions, but it's turned into a bunch of complainers that make it just as bad.

Driving home Sunday night, the only sports station I could get was a Chicago-based sports program. There was nothing but calls about how terrible the Bears looked and all the mistakes the players, coaches, and GM have made....They won 30-6.

Whistler6
11-03-2009, 10:27 AM
I hate to say it, but he's right. I've gotten sick of reading this forum. It's just a bunch of bitching and whining now and how we need to scrap this or fire that guy. This used to be a place where we were above the casual fan and could have good discussions, but it's turned into a bunch of complainers that make it just as bad.

Driving home Sunday night, the only sports station I could get was a Chicago-based sports program. There was nothing but calls about how terrible the Bears looked and all the mistakes the players, coaches, and GM have made....They won 30-6.

Like I posted before, Green Bay lost and the better team won. Period.

In a couple years when this core hits its' prime and Brett Favre is gone, the tone will change. Right now the beloved Brett Favre destroying the Packers in Lambeau is really REALLY tough to swallow, that's all.

Boston
11-03-2009, 11:27 AM
Of course the posts in this thread are going to be complaints after Favre came into Lambeau and destroyed the Packers for the second time this year. 8 weeks into the season and the Packers are a mediocre 4-3, with the only worthwhile win coming against the Bears in week one. The Packers looked like Super Bowl contenders throughout the preseason, with the offense firing on all cylinders and the defense causing turnovers at an incredible rate, and they have yet to put any of that together. Yeah you can say preseason isn't an accurate assessment of a team's ability, teams don't game plan, etc. But all of the Packers problems thus far have been the result of an overall lack of discipline and attention to detail, which not only reflects poorly on the players, but on the coaching staff as well.

Yeah, people probably shouldn't be bitching as much as they are, seeing as how we still have a good chance to make the playoffs, but what the **** is the point if we continue beating ourselves in the way we have.

Whistler6
11-04-2009, 09:16 AM
Of course the posts in this thread are going to be complaints after Favre came into Lambeau and destroyed the Packers for the second time this year. 8 weeks into the season and the Packers are a mediocre 4-3, with the only worthwhile win coming against the Bears in week one. The Packers looked like Super Bowl contenders throughout the preseason, with the offense firing on all cylinders and the defense causing turnovers at an incredible rate, and they have yet to put any of that together. Yeah you can say preseason isn't an accurate assessment of a team's ability, teams don't game plan, etc. But all of the Packers problems thus far have been the result of an overall lack of discipline and attention to detail, which not only reflects poorly on the players, but on the coaching staff as well.

Yeah, people probably shouldn't be bitching as much as they are, seeing as how we still have a good chance to make the playoffs, but what the **** is the point if we continue beating ourselves in the way we have.

I try to take a "in the long run" type approach thinking in a year or 2 we will be laughing and the Vikings will be scrambling for an offense yet again.

Still, when I do complain it's because a Packers loss affects me throughout the week and I am that big of a fan...As are most Packer's fans. Dedication. If I didn't give a ****, I wouldn't say boo. So, let's consider us whining about a loss as showing our love for our beloved Green Bay Packers. Yeah?

Ps., We could be Browns fans. That's reason enough to celebrate.

drowe
11-04-2009, 11:07 AM
meh. i also thing there has been too much complaining.

4-3. in the thick of the wild card race.

PLUS, look at our division. Chicago and Minnesota are built for this year. Minnesota has an old QB and an aging defense. Chicago's defense is gonna keep getting worse, and they won't have the resources to reload due to the Cutler trade.

The Packers are a young team and a team in transistion. We're starting in a new defense and the o-line is obviously a work in progress. But, in 2 years, or maybe even next year, the Vikes and Bears are gonna be very close to rebuilding...and the Packers are just getting started. Any success this year is just a bonus.

mqtirishfan
11-04-2009, 02:27 PM
That's because the packers were supposed to be good this season, supposed to take that next step and make a serious run at the very least the NFC champ. game.



And the Packers have 3 losses, to teams with a combined record of 12-3. It's not like the Packers are ******* it all up.

Favre4ever
11-04-2009, 05:15 PM
And the Packers have 3 losses, to teams with a combined record of 12-3. It's not like the Packers are ******* it all up.

You can also add the fact that the games they lost were close games that were all winnable.

Now they just have to protect Rodgers for the rest of the year and they should he alright. That means, Clifton and Tauscher should be back in for the rest of the season. No offense to Lang and Barbre but Rodgers is our franchise and the sacks and hits are starting to take a toll on him. Ride the vets till the rest of the year and then see from there.

cvv84
11-04-2009, 07:23 PM
And the Packers have 3 losses, to teams with a combined record of 12-3. It's not like the Packers are ******* it all up.

7-23

The win-loss record against the 4 opponents that the Packers have beat. Next up the 0-7 Bucs. I'm a big Packers fans but I'm also realistic.

Favre4ever
11-04-2009, 08:21 PM
7-23

The win-loss record against the 4 opponents that the Packers have beat. Next up the 0-7 Bucs. I'm a big Packers fans but I'm also realistic.

If you are realistic then you can realise that in every loses this year, the Packers were in the game till the end. Its not like they cant compete with the Bengals and the Vikings. They should have won the Bengals game and could have won one of the 2 games against minny. Its really not as bad as some make it seem to be.

Take in account that we didnt have Jordyzz and Finley. If the return of Tausch and Clifton stabilizes the O-line like it should, this is a playoff team.

roughrider30
11-04-2009, 08:39 PM
If you are realistic then you can realise that in every loses this year, the Packers were in the game till the end. Its not like they cant compete with the Bengals and the Vikings. They should have won the Bengals game and could have won one of the 2 games against minny. Its really not as bad as some make it seem to be.

Take in account that we didnt have Jordyzz and Finley. If the return of Tausch and Clifton stabilizes the O-line like it should, this is a playoff team.

This team has the potential to be a playoff team in my opinion, but they haven't played like it yet. They have a lot of characteristics of a young team that might be a year away. It wouldn't surprise me if they turned it on this season and made the playoffs, but it also wouldn't surprise me if they lost a few tough games at the end of the year. Either way, Lets Go Packers!

cvv84
11-04-2009, 08:43 PM
If you are realistic then you can realise that in every loses this year, the Packers were in the game till the end. Its not like they cant compete with the Bengals and the Vikings. They should have won the Bengals game and could have won one of the 2 games against minny. Its really not as bad as some make it seem to be.

Take in account that we didnt have Jordyzz and Finley. If the return of Tausch and Clifton stabilizes the O-line like it should, this is a playoff team.

If, if, if...

Good teams find a way to win. The Packers are an average team at best right now and getting 4 players back isn't going to change that. Our biggest weakness is not having a reliable run game and will be our downfall.

This team has the potential to be a playoff team in my opinion, but they haven't played like it yet. They have a lot of characteristics of a young team that might be a year away. It wouldn't surprise me if they turned it on this season and made the playoffs, but it also wouldn't surprise me if they lost a few tough games at the end of the year. Either way, Lets Go Packers!

I agree with roughrider30 here. The potential is definetly there but they just haven't been able to put it all together.

Favre4ever
11-04-2009, 09:36 PM
If, if, if...

Good teams find a way to win. The Packers are an average team at best right now and getting 4 players back isn't going to change that. Our biggest weakness is not having a reliable run game and will be our downfall.



I agree with roughrider30 here. The potential is definetly there but they just haven't been able to put it all together.

Thats what i meant by my comments, this team has a lot of potential and you could see it in spurts when they came back in the game. It didnt look like the Vikings could stop Rodgers in the 2nd half.

About the running game its true, its non existant. Grant is not the Back we thought he was and it seems like Jackson will never be more than a backup in this league. I thought Green looked better than both of them in the limited action he got.

bearsfan_51
11-04-2009, 11:02 PM
PLUS, look at our division. Chicago and Minnesota are built for this year. Minnesota has an old QB and an aging defense. Chicago's defense is gonna keep getting worse, and they won't have the resources to reload due to the Cutler trade.
Not to highjack the Packers thread, but the Bears are quite young. The two trades we made were for young players. Vikings have an issue though.

drowe
11-05-2009, 08:09 AM
Not to highjack the Packers thread, but the Bears are quite young. The two trades we made were for young players. Vikings have an issue though.

Yeah, you're right. The offense is young. It's the defense that's gonna need some serious re-stocking soon.

Gonna be weird. after a decade of being a defensive team, it seems the Bears are gonna need to do a 180 soon.

TitleTown088
11-05-2009, 01:49 PM
http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww269/Waldo56/LB-DErook.jpg

Jacked this from another site... Shows How well Clay is playing STF = TFL and TYDL = Total yards lost, the sum of sack yards lost and TFL yards lost.

umphrey
11-05-2009, 07:25 PM
Gonna be weird. after a decade of being a defensive team, it seems the Bears are gonna need to do a 180 soon.

I think it's more strange thinking about how in a few years Minnesota is gonna have an electric receiving corps but no quarterback and spotty on both lines. And they'll probably need help at running back - unless they bring in another guy I'd have to think Peterson's career is going to be pretty short or he'll have injury problems. But that's no given...So far Peterson has broken all conventional wisdom when it comes to running backs.

RockJock07
11-06-2009, 09:38 AM
Yeah, you're right. The offense is young. It's the defense that's gonna need some serious re-stocking soon.

Gonna be weird. after a decade of being a defensive team, it seems the Bears are gonna need to do a 180 soon.

Yeah, they got Cutler 3 seasons or so to late. They had a defense when Tommie Harris was a beast and Urlacher could stay healthy but now it seems like everyone on that defense is on the downside of their career, maybe not Briggs but he can't do it alone. Plus their secondary is garbage.

Whistler6
11-06-2009, 11:53 AM
Cutler's dressed up mag pics are worse than Alex Rodriguez's. Rodger's came out of Cal with short, gel'd hair and a pretty-boy look. Now he's a bit more scruffy. Pretty random thoughts, but I'm just thankful I have a guy like him to root for rather than potty-mouthed baby Jay Cutlery

drowe
11-06-2009, 12:01 PM
interesting (*****) way of looking at it. haha. :)

but, yeah, Cutler looked like he was still growing out of his awkward stage when he got drafted...now he's a pretty boy.

Rodgers looked like a pretty boy from Cal when he got drafted, now he looks like a homeless person.

Packystan
11-06-2009, 02:08 PM
interesting (*****) way of looking at it. haha. :)

but, yeah, Cutler looked like he was still growing out of his awkward stage when he got drafted...now he's a pretty boy.

Rodgers looked like a pretty boy from Cal when he got drafted, now he looks like a homeless person.


Lmao, yeah he does. He always seems to look like a homeless person during the season, but whenever you see him during the offseason he's usually looking pretty sharp.

cvv84
11-06-2009, 03:03 PM
My uncle thinks that Rodgers is g a y for some reason. I guess that swimsuit model that he's with is a pretty good cover up lol

drowe
11-06-2009, 03:10 PM
yeah. really. just because we have a homosexual GM, it doesn't mean every player he drafts is also gonna be a homosexual.

Whistler6
11-06-2009, 05:49 PM
interesting (*****) way of looking at it. haha. :)

but, yeah, Cutler looked like he was still growing out of his awkward stage when he got drafted...now he's a pretty boy.

Rodgers looked like a pretty boy from Cal when he got drafted, now he looks like a homeless person.

He came and read to a few elementary school classes last year when I was volunteering at Webster-Stanley Elementary here is Oshkosh. I didn't get to see him live-in-action (fml), but the pictures were quite hilarious.

He had the "straight off the street" beard along with his longggg scraggly hair. Some of the kids had to been wondering, oh how nice this hobo can read.

Whistler6
11-06-2009, 05:52 PM
My uncle thinks that Rodgers is g a y for some reason. I guess that swimsuit model that he's with is a pretty good cover up lol

Can you blame him?

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9G_bDtwtvRKiT4Bvq6jzbkF/SIG=13krmv0eg/EXP=1257637872/**http%3A//graphics.ocsn.com/photos/schools/cal/sport/m-footbl/03recruits/03FB-Rodgers-Aaron-mug.jpg

cvv84
11-07-2009, 11:32 AM
Interesting that the Packers put in a waiver claim on Anthony Smith, whom they shockingly released during their cutdown to the 53 man roster. I don't think I've ever seen Jarrett Bush play this year and if he has he's been invisible on special teams.

Zycho32
11-07-2009, 11:46 AM
Interesting that the Packers put in a waiver claim on Anthony Smith, whom they shockingly released during their cutdown to the 53 man roster. I don't think I've ever seen Jarrett Bush play this year and if he has he's been invisible on special teams.

Oh, you've seen him. You just blocked it from your memory for the sake of your mental health.

And it's hard to be noticeable on Special Teams without being a returner in the first place. Either the return doesn't go your way or you can't shake a blocker or the sum[BLEEP] makes a monkey outta you with a devastating cut move. It's a spot more in common with being made fun of rather than being lauded for.

Case in point: He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named's first comeback win, 1992 against the Bengals. Before all that, the Lambeau faithful got to see a dazzling Cincinnati phenom by the name of Bruce Pickens take a Kick Return for a touchdown. Covering on the play was a reserve safety named Tim Hauck; a fairly unassuming and only moderately athletic player. He was one of the first Packers to try and get Pickens on the play, but ol' Brucie reversed direction and went towards the other sideline. At this point, the coverage broke down and Pickens was running unmolested towards the end zone, but HERE COMES TIMMEH!! About forty yards to go he comes racing in for the sideline to catch Pickens and... gets left in the dust for all his efforts.

That's the kind of reward a Special Teamer gets, even with all the effort in the world.

cvv84
11-07-2009, 11:49 AM
Oh, you've seen him. You just blocked it from your memory for the sake of your mental health.

And it's hard to be noticeable on Special Teams without being a returner in the first place. Either the return doesn't go your way or you can't shake a blocker or the sum[BLEEP] makes a monkey outta you with a devastating cut move. It's a spot more in common with being made fun of rather than being lauded for.

Case in point: He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named's first comeback win, 1992 against the Bengals. Before all that, the Lambeau faithful got to see a dazzling Cincinnati phenom by the name of Bruce Pickens take a Kick Return for a touchdown. Covering on the play was a reserve safety named Tim Hauck; a fairly unassuming and only moderately athletic player. He was one of the first Packers to try and get Pickens on the play, but ol' Brucie reversed direction and went towards the other sideline. At this point, the coverage broke down and Pickens was running unmolested towards the end zone, but HERE COMES TIMMEH!! About forty yards to go he comes racing in for the sideline to catch Pickens and... gets left in the dust for all his efforts.

That's the kind of reward a Special Teamer gets, even with all the effort in the world.

I notice who blows up the wedge and makes the tackles. Bush just isn't one of those guys.

Zycho32
11-07-2009, 11:51 AM
That's true. Bush is only an edge gunner- those types of guys have to use their speed and mobility to shake blockers and either run the returner down or funnel him into the middle.

And I thought the 'Wedge' was abolished this year.

cvv84
11-07-2009, 12:00 PM
That's true. Bush is only an edge gunner- those types of guys have to use their speed and mobility to shake blockers and either run the returner down or funnel him into the middle.

And I thought the 'Wedge' was abolished this year.

You can still have a wedge they limited it to a certain amount of player (I think 3) and they can't interlock their arms during the formation.

tjsunstein
11-07-2009, 07:28 PM
Now wedges can consist of no more than two men together, with the next closest player beside them at least 2 yards away.

Wedge rule paraphased.

TitleTown088
11-07-2009, 07:29 PM
Spitz to IR, uh that sucks.

cvv84
11-07-2009, 07:57 PM
Spitz to IR, uh that sucks.

It sucks but luckily we kept Wells. Might also make him a little cheaper to re-sign seeing he's arguably our best offensive lineman.

jackalope
11-07-2009, 10:10 PM
Spitz to IR, uh that sucks.

Damn, I hadn't really followed his injury, but I was expecting to get him back soon.

TitleTown088
11-07-2009, 10:22 PM
It sucks but luckily we kept Wells. Might also make him a little cheaper to re-sign seeing he's arguably our best offensive lineman.

Note saying he isn't but you know who is quietly having a good year on the Oline is Sitton. The interior Oline actually looks good for the future ( provided they're all retained) with Colledge-Spitz-Sitton, Too bad the tackles look like crap.

cvv84
11-07-2009, 10:29 PM
Note saying he isn't but you know who is quietly having a good year on the Oline is Sitton. The interior Oline actually looks good for the future ( provided they're all retained) with Colledge-Spitz-Sitton, Too bad the tackles look like crap.

Yeah Sitton has been pretty solid so far. JS had an article on him (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/69435887.html) and how he's the only Olineman not to have allowed a sack yet.

Lang looks like he might have some potential too. I always thought that Barbre was a temporary solution at RT. I'm still hopeful for Breno to develop.

umphrey
11-08-2009, 03:56 PM
Some thoughts after the Bucs game:

Aaron Kampmon is officially a piss poor outside linebacker. We all knew he struggled in coverage. It was watching him get outrun by Josh Freeman that made up my mind about this. He's just way too slow and coming off a two point stance not only does he lose his main advantage (leverage) but quarterbacks see him coming a mile away and adjust easily.

Mike McCarthy is officially on the hot seat. He can't control his team. His play calling simply isn't getting it done and his team has no discipline. At one point in this game we were 2-30 for third down conversions for the year, worst in the league. Absolutely terrible.

Our defense isn't as good as it is on paper. They make plays once in a while giving you some false hope but when it comes to third down or forth quarter, when it really matters, they are no where to be found.

I think this is the first time Ted Thompson's job security needs to be looked at. Do his strengths outweigh his weaknesses? He's made some nice finds in the draft but this offensive line he put together for the year is flat out embarrassing, especially considering the number of draft picks we put into it. Colledge, Spitz, Sitton, Barbre, Coston, Meredith, Lang, Giacomini, sure you can say some of those guys are starters, or have potential, but are any of them even above league average? We spent some high picks on interior lineman and just aren't getting results. The team is starting to look like it lacks talent. They simply lose a lot of one on one battles on the offensive and defensive lines. You would think spending 4 first round picks (Matthews, Raji, Hawk, Harrell) on the front 7 would give us someone who can rush the quarterback.

Mr.Regular
11-08-2009, 04:03 PM
McCarthy is on the hot seat. Every week we have the exact same issues. Nothing is ever fixed. The team doesn't play disciplined.

TitleTown088
11-08-2009, 04:06 PM
McCarthy is on the hot seat. Every week we have the exact same issues. Nothing is ever fixed. The team doesn't play disciplined. You're right to a degree. I hate to say it , but if MM dosen't right the ship quickly he could be gone.

Slocum and Campen need to go ASAP.

AJHawk50
11-08-2009, 07:15 PM
Man, what a disappointing loss...

Whistler6
11-08-2009, 08:51 PM
I completely wrote this week off as a 10 point win. Tampa Bay had no chance. Green Bay got cocky...Passing the ball, lazy on special teams. They did everything a "bad" team does, and it cost them the game.

drowe
11-09-2009, 09:30 AM
Yes. Now it is time to take a serious look at some things. We've underachieved all year. We underachieved last year. Too much talent to be struggling like this.

1-Mike McCarthy. Does he really bring anything to the table, or make anybody better. the trademark of his coaching tenure has been penalties. i know they're not all his fault. But, after seeing it be a huge issue every year he's been here. And, watching the team blow so many close games last year....I just think he's doing more harm than good.
Verdict: I would be in favor of firing Mike McCarthy after the season.

2-Ted Thompson. Some glaring mistakes. not getting dept at the o-line was inexcusable. And being a fan of the draft is one thing...but, refusing to take part in free agency is taking it too far. I fully support how he handled the Brett Favre BS. And I do like a guy that values the draft..but, he needs to change how he does things.
Verdict: I would not be in favor of firing Ted Thompson. his drafts are decent. And, I don't want a situation like Cleveland or KC where young, talented players are misused, or ignored because they're not the new GM's guys. We have too much talent to have to rebuild.

3-3-4 Defense-It's been a failure. Anyway ya look at it. There hasn't been one moment this year where the 3-4 has done anything the 43 defense from last year could've done. Aaron Kampman went from awesome to useless, Hawk and Barnett are invisible, and the lack of QB pressure has been disgusting.
Verdict: It'd be impatient to scrap the 3-4 after one season...but, I want to scrap the 3-4 after one season.

4-ZBS-early in the season, we blamed Allen Barbre...then it was the fact that Clifton was hurt. I think it's time we looked at the issue as the o-line as a whole. They're just not getting it done. the unit as a whole just cannot be trusted.
Verdict: I would support the offensive line coach being fired NOW. there is no way this unit could get any worse than they are right now. time for some wholesale changes.

ImBrotherCain
11-09-2009, 10:11 AM
Yes. Now it is time to take a serious look at some things. We've underachieved all year. We underachieved last year. Too much talent to be struggling like this.

1-Mike McCarthy. Does he really bring anything to the table, or make anybody better. the trademark of his coaching tenure has been penalties. i know they're not all his fault. But, after seeing it be a huge issue every year he's been here. And, watching the team blow so many close games last year....I just think he's doing more harm than good.
Verdict: I would be in favor of firing Mike McCarthy after the season.

I agree... he really doesn't offer the team anything special. I dont think he commands respect and it sure doesn't seem like he offers any leadership. On top of that the play calling this season has been nothing but atrocious

2-Ted Thompson. Some glaring mistakes. not getting dept at the o-line was inexcusable. And being a fan of the draft is one thing...but, refusing to take part in free agency is taking it too far. I fully support how he handled the Brett Favre BS. And I do like a guy that values the draft..but, he needs to change how he does things.
Verdict: I would not be in favor of firing Ted Thompson. his drafts are decent. And, I don't want a situation like Cleveland or KC where young, talented players are misused, or ignored because they're not the new GM's guys. We have too much talent to have to rebuild.

Once again i agree... TT has had his good and his bad. He needs to step it up and quit trying to find lightning in a bottle and make a solid move that might be out of character (This past draft shows that he is capable of doing such a thing) But pick up a good FA once in a while. Other than Woodson there really isn't too much to speak of.

3-3-4 Defense-It's been a failure. Anyway ya look at it. There hasn't been one moment this year where the 3-4 has done anything the 43 defense from last year could've done. Aaron Kampman went from awesome to useless, Hawk and Barnett are invisible, and the lack of QB pressure has been disgusting.
Verdict: It'd be impatient to scrap the 3-4 after one season...but, I want to scrap the 3-4 after one season.

I have to disagree here with some discontent. We have shown flashes on Defense and i think it would be crazy to give up on a defense after one season. New system means new scheme which means we might need new players and so on and so forth. My one gripe here is how can you take one of the best Defensive Ends in Football and attempt to convert him to a position that he has never played in the NFL... Dumb move. Now besides the fact that we have taken a great player and made him no better than an average player he isn't happy playing the position and something tells me hes gone after his contract is up.

4-ZBS-early in the season, we blamed Allen Barbre...then it was the fact that Clifton was hurt. I think it's time we looked at the issue as the o-line as a whole. They're just not getting it done. the unit as a whole just cannot be trusted.
Verdict: I would support the offensive line coach being fired NOW. there is no way this unit could get any worse than they are right now. time for some wholesale changes.

I don't blame the ZBS... its worked in other places why cant it work here. I just think that we don't have the talent on the line anymore to make it work. Clifton is ancient and is having trouble staying healthy, College has been solid but nothing more. Spitz is out for the year. Wells lost his job to Spitz and seems a little rusty. Sitton has only made 10 starts in league so far and i can honestly say i don't know to much about him. Barbre has had his difficulties and he seems to be doing better but im still not sold on him. Lang has show a lot of promise in playing this year. I guess we will just have to see how we use him down the stretch.



After all of that i just wonder if MM goes what do you think of Mike Shanahan
taking over

tjsunstein
11-09-2009, 10:23 AM
After all of that i just wonder if MM goes what do you think of Mike Shanahan
taking over

I like Gruden but Shanahan would work. Right now, I'm just really frustrated with McCarthy.

drowe
11-09-2009, 10:30 AM
After all of that i just wonder if MM goes what do you think of Mike Shanahan
taking over

I'd be ok with it. 2010 seems to be the year of returning coaches. and Shanahan would be decent. But, if i had to pick one coach to come back from time off and coach the packers.....



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/SeahawksTC-EWU-018.jpg


i mean, other than the sentimental reasons...the guy got a lot out of players. And, i think it'd be a good fit.

I'm gonna start the bandwagon right here, right now.

Bring Back Mike Holmgren in 2010!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ImBrotherCain
11-09-2009, 10:40 AM
Bring Back Mike Holmgren in 2010!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Going in the sig

But other than that. Holmgren, Gruden or Shanny would be amazing... now that i think of it, it would be in that order too. Except i think i would throw Mariucci after Shanny

drowe
11-09-2009, 10:44 AM
Going in to the sig

good idea.

Lewis Tully out.
Mike Holgren in.

let's start a club.

ImBrotherCain
11-09-2009, 10:46 AM
good idea.

Lewis Tully out.
Mike Holgren in.

let's start a club.

Get the colors in there!

drowe
11-09-2009, 10:50 AM
Get the colors in there!

can't. too stupids.

Favre4ever
11-09-2009, 10:58 AM
Even though i feel like wearing a paper bag on my head, I'm not ready to jump ship just yet only because im a die hard fan. However, if you take a look at what happened to this team since last year, many questions come to my head;

-Was the 3-4 a good idea? We still clearly have the personel to be a very good 4-3 team with Raji-Pickett in the middle and Jenkins-Kampman outside. Barnett-Chillar-Matthews/Hawk-Jones would make one heck of an athletic group of LB's and we still have a secondarygroup that can cover with the best of them. Next year, they should really think about this. That would also mean that MM would be gone...

-Was the ZBS a good idea? ZBS and Cold weather Green bay doesnt go togheter. Thompson and MM believed that they didnt need to draft 1st OL for their scheme (Denver style). The problem is that, ZBS is awfully hard to execute. You need very smart OLinemen and good RB's. We lack both. Now we have an undersized OL with an average starting RB. Bad combination.

-Did we overrate Ryan Grant? Since his magical half a season with Favre as our QB, we have yet to see the same Ryan Grant or was it just a fluke? Grant is a solid back but hes not a game-changing back. Hes not a bruiser, hes not a speed back, he doesnt make a lot of people miss and hes not a threat out of the back field. Another miss-evaluation by TT and MM.

Where does that leave this team? Well, they have a BOAT load of talent but bad decisions in the draft, lack of movement on the free agency market, lack of leadership from the head coach, bad offensive game plans, wrong team philosophy (3-4 and ZBS) and the Favre saga = receipe to fire both MM and TT at the end of the year if they dont make the playoffs.

The worst in all that is that it will mean that Brett Favre was right all along and to add insult to injury he got to stick it to them TWICE. Wow i really dont see how they'll make it out of the season alive if they dont make the playoffs.

drowe
11-09-2009, 11:03 AM
The worst in all that is that it will mean that Brett Favre was right all along and to add insult to injury he got to stick it to them TWICE. Wow i really dont see how they'll make it out of the season alive if they dont make the playoffs.

Brett Favre wasn't right. He would suck if he were the Packer QB this year. He needs a lot of talent around him. with our o-line, he'd either be hurt or gunslinging 4 INTs every game. If you asked him, he'd admit that the Packers did him a huge favor by not keeping him.

Favre4ever
11-09-2009, 11:07 AM
Brett Favre wasn't right. He would suck if he were the Packer QB this year. He needs a lot of talent around him. with our o-line, he'd either be hurt or gunslinging 4 INTs every game. If you asked him, he'd admit that the Packers did him a huge favor by not keeping him.

You are right but unfortunately this not how people will see it. The Favre love fest will only grow and the media will feed off of it.

TitleTown088
11-09-2009, 01:57 PM
Holmgren? Come one guys stop being to nostalgic.

We need a guy like Cowher if MM doesn't right the ship.

Mr.Regular
11-09-2009, 02:27 PM
I want Holmgren. But any of the big name guys available would make me excited. I'm frustrated over McCarthy. The team never improves and shows no discipline ever. The same damn problems, over and over and over.
Fire McCarthy, ditch the ZBS. That I'm on board with.

I'm still backing TT. I like his drafts for the most part, and I like his draft first philosophy...and I'm also afraid of a new GM coming in and gutting the roster (Browns style). I also respect the man for how he handled Brett.
But I don't like being completely passive in free agency, and some of Thompsons draft decisions were very boneheaded (Harrell WTF?, Jordy Nelson...he's good and all but a 4th WR as the first pick?, Brian Brohm?, neglecting OL till late rounds every year).
So, Im backing him for now but I wouldn't be overly upset if he was fired.

Oh and the 34.... I dunno where I stand on it. We've killed Kampman. He's useless now. Lots of the vets on the team don't like it... but we invested premium picks into it and scrapping it after one year looks pretty weak. I dont know what we should do with it...

ImBrotherCain
11-09-2009, 02:33 PM
Holmgren? Come one guys stop being to nostalgic.

We need a guy like Cowher if MM doesn't right the ship.

Cowher would be great but we can hope for Holmgren right?

drowe
11-09-2009, 02:49 PM
I want Holmgren. But any of the big name guys available would make me excited. I'm frustrated over McCarthy. The team never improves and shows no discipline ever. The same damn problems, over and over and over.
Fire McCarthy, ditch the ZBS. That I'm on board with.

I'm still backing TT. I like his drafts for the most part, and I like his draft first philosophy...and I'm also afraid of a new GM coming in and gutting the roster (Browns style). I also respect the man for how he handled Brett.
But I don't like being completely passive in free agency, and some of Thompsons draft decisions were very boneheaded (Harrell WTF?, Jordy Nelson...he's good and all but a 4th WR as the first pick?, Brian Brohm?, neglecting OL till late rounds every year).
So, Im backing him for now but I wouldn't be overly upset if he was fired.

Oh and the 34.... I dunno where I stand on it. We've killed Kampman. He's useless now. Lots of the vets on the team don't like it... but we invested premium picks into it and scrapping it after one year looks pretty weak. I dont know what we should do with it...

with the 3-4...it's not like Raji and Matthews couldn't do well in the 4-3. I kinda think Raji could be better there. And, Matthews is just a hard-working, instinctive player. It's not like he's just a bull rushing OLB.

Mr.Regular
11-09-2009, 02:57 PM
with the 3-4...it's not like Raji and Matthews couldn't do well in the 4-3. I kinda think Raji could be better there. And, Matthews is just a hard-working, instinctive player. It's not like he's just a bull rushing OLB.
Yeah, I agree about Raji. I was more talking about Matthews, who has flashed some big potential in this system so far. I do think he fits a 4-3, but he's looked very good so far in the system we're running.

If it meant getting Kampman back to being productive though it'd be awfully tough to argue against moving back to the 4-3. But does anyone think Kamp will be here next year?

Boston
11-09-2009, 03:16 PM
Does anybody else think we should incorporate some 4-3 into our 3-4 scheme we have right now? We have all the pieces needed to make a successful package, and this would force teams to gameplan even more against the Packers defense because they could be successful in either one.

drowe
11-09-2009, 03:25 PM
Does anybody else think we should incorporate some 4-3 into our 3-4 scheme we have right now? We have all the pieces needed to make a successful package, and this would force teams to gameplan even more against the Packers defense because they could be successful in either one.

Well, that's kind of a loaded question. Operating under the assumption that scraping the 3-4 after this year is at least on the radar...staying with it or semi-ditching it could be percieved as playing for this year and playing for the future.

I could see some situations where it would really help to have a 4-3 defense...at least as a possibility.

Kampman-Raji-Picket-Jenkins on the line and Matthews-Barnett-Hawk as LBs.

IF ya want some extra beef...replace Kampman with Jolly on the line and replace Hawk with Kampman at LB.

drowe
11-09-2009, 03:42 PM
Well....a lot of looking ahead to next year...i think it's warrented after a loss like this. but, not to sound like a homer, but.....

4-4. right with the Bears and Giants as the top group on the outside looking in for a wild card spot. The Bears and Giants are playing just as much like garbage as the Packers are. The Eagles and Falcons are gonna be clear favorites to get the 2 spots. ...just one game ahead.

Yes, if it's even gonna be a thought, we need to win some games that we're gonna be underdogs in (Dallas this week would be a good start). AND we'll have to hope Philly and Atlanta slip up once or twice, and lose the same kinda game(s) the Packers just lost. AND we need to assume that the Bears and Giants continue to play as bad as they've been playing.

that said, i broke down the remaining games a couple weeks ago...and any scenario involving the playoffs involved us sweeping the games against inferior teams like the Bucs, Lions, Seahawks and 49ers. gah.

jackalope
11-09-2009, 10:26 PM
Mike McCarthy deserves to be on the hot seat right now, but, at this point, I'm not in favor of firing him, nor do I think we will. We'll have to see how the rest of the season plays out though.

Ted Thompson does not deserve to be on the hot seat. Yes, we have a terrible offensive line and he has to take blame for that. How about instead of firing him, we give him a little more time to actually draft an o-line? Firing Thompson won't fix the line any faster than keeping him. Outside of the o-line, he's built a very good team. Everybody seems to agree that this is a talented team that is underachieving; I don't really see that as TT's fault. I don't know much about Mark Murphy (who I believe would make the decision), but I would be shocked to see him get rid of Thompson, unless he believes what he hears on talk radio.

As long as we're talking about it, the 3-4 switch still bugs me. It's not significantly better than our 4-3 last year (albeit it's the first year), and this is with a much better coordinator, Cullen Jenkins, and two first round picks invested in it.

cvv84
11-10-2009, 09:31 PM
Here's what I'm hoping for the rest of the season:

1) Greg Jennings to rebound
2) A more balanced offense
3) Jermichael Finley to develop
4) The defense to be more effective with their blitz schemes
5) Mason Crosby to return to his rookie form

Whistler6
11-10-2009, 09:40 PM
It's way too early to say the 3-4 switch was a failure...It's new to basically every player and only 8 games in.

Still, I am incredibly nervous guys like Cullen Jenkins and Aaron Kampman will become locker room "schisms" and look to play elsewhere. Not necessarily distractions, but unhappy with their roles, which has already shown a bit. They are both pro bowl caliber players, and it looks like their talents are being completely wasted.

Favre4ever
11-11-2009, 10:10 AM
It's way too early to say the 3-4 switch was a failure...It's new to basically every player and only 8 games in.

Still, I am incredibly nervous guys like Cullen Jenkins and Aaron Kampman will become locker room "schisms" and look to play elsewhere. Not necessarily distractions, but unhappy with their roles, which has already shown a bit. They are both pro bowl caliber players, and it looks like their talents are being completely wasted.

Thats the main problem about the switch. These 2 are suppose to be the leaders of our defense and switching to the 3-4 was probably a big slap to their faces. The first year of a 3-4 switch is an evaluation year where you can see who fits the scheme. The problem is that the ones who doesnt fit are the leaders of this defense.

If we dont make the playoffs, MM will be fired and the new coach will probably scratch the 3-4. If MM survives, will we have to trade kampman and Jenkins? Something to think about...

Whistler6
11-11-2009, 12:03 PM
Thats the main problem about the switch. These 2 are suppose to be the leaders of our defense and switching to the 3-4 was probably a big slap to their faces. The first year of a 3-4 switch is an evaluation year where you can see who fits the scheme. The problem is that the ones who doesnt fit are the leaders of this defense.

If we dont make the playoffs, MM will be fired and the new coach will probably scratch the 3-4. If MM survives, will we have to trade kampman and Jenkins? Something to think about...

If there is value for Kampman, I am not against that. But letting Jenkins loose would be gigantic mistake. He would thrive on any team, and is a complete animal. Rare mix of size and strength without being "fat"

TitleTown088
11-11-2009, 01:54 PM
Sounds like we might see Brad Jones at OLB this Sunday and Lang at RT.

umphrey
11-11-2009, 02:18 PM
I like Brad Jones a lot. Since Poppinga and Kampman are both terrible fits for the position, I'm actually excited to see what Jones does.

Whistler6
11-11-2009, 04:18 PM
Just keep drawing playerspositions out of a hat MM. Sticking new guys in each week on the O-line will definitely build comfort and "meshing" level of the surrounding players...Guess his choices are limited, but come on.

umphrey
11-11-2009, 04:27 PM
MM said this week is a must win game (I'm paraphrasing). Could dictate whether or not he's here next year. I heard the contract situation for both him and TT are pretty dicey for the Packers though...would it be worth it to pay him not to coach for 3 years I think it is? We'll see.

One thing I firmly believe in is interim head coaches are a stupid idea in most cases.

cvv84
11-11-2009, 08:28 PM
Sounds like we might see Brad Jones at OLB this Sunday and Lang at RT.

About time with Jones IMO. He and Clay Matthews are the only players experienced in the 3-4 scheme or a close variation of it. I'd also like to see Jermey Thompson. All the talk of the OTAs and training camp was how good and natural he looked at LB.

Whistler6
11-11-2009, 09:43 PM
MM said this week is a must win game (I'm paraphrasing). Could dictate whether or not he's here next year. I heard the contract situation for both him and TT are pretty dicey for the Packers though...would it be worth it to pay him not to coach for 3 years I think it is? We'll see.

One thing I firmly believe in is interim head coaches are a stupid idea in most cases.

I criticize the heck out of MM consistently, but is firing him going to make the Packers better? They would be starting over yet again but on the offensive side of the ball. I don't think it's time to boot McCarthy, but he needs to know he's on the hot seat so a freeeak'n fire can be lit under his butt.

umphrey
11-12-2009, 02:43 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/69820142.html

this is a must-read for Packer fans

We (I) have been blaming the coaches, well, if they can turn it around for this game that builds a lot of credit for them in my book.

Mr.Regular
11-13-2009, 10:38 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/11/13/firing-of-lambeau-field-worker-could-grease-skids-for-mccarthy/

Mike McCarthy....bad coach...and d-bag?

princefielder28
11-13-2009, 01:48 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/11/13/firing-of-lambeau-field-worker-could-grease-skids-for-mccarthy/

Mike McCarthy....bad coach...and d-bag?

I've heard stories of MM having anger management issues and I'm not surprised by this story. He won't be here long so that's one positive bc unless this team has some unreal turnaround, having only one winning season in four is unacceptable.

DiG
11-13-2009, 02:25 PM
thought this article might interest you guys. saddens me to see 3 packers listed so high but its no surprise given how the year has been.

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/11/13/between-the-lines-whos-allowing-the-most-sacks/

cvv84
11-13-2009, 09:14 PM
thought this article might interest you guys. saddens me to see 3 packers listed so high but its no surprise given how the year has been.

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/11/13/between-the-lines-whos-allowing-the-most-sacks/

Gotta get the ball out quicker. Give any defense 5+ seconds and they're going to get to the QB.

umphrey
11-16-2009, 07:15 PM
Most everyone agrees that Kampman is going to be gone next year, but do you think we put the franchise tag on him and try to trade him with the risk of not finding a trade partner that will give him the contract he wants and the organization the compensation it wants? What do you think we could get? We lucked out big time that his move to linebacker makes the tag cheaper, I believe it lowers it from $17 mil to $10 mil.

drowe
11-17-2009, 03:36 PM
Most everyone agrees that Kampman is going to be gone next year, but do you think we put the franchise tag on him and try to trade him with the risk of not finding a trade partner that will give him the contract he wants and the organization the compensation it wants? What do you think we could get? We lucked out big time that his move to linebacker makes the tag cheaper, I believe it lowers it from $17 mil to $10 mil.

I don't think they should go that route. they'll have their hands full trying to re sign players this offseason and they'll need to save the franchise tag for a player they actually want to keep.

TitleTown088
11-17-2009, 04:41 PM
I don't think they should go that route. they'll have their hands full trying to re sign players this offseason and they'll need to save the franchise tag for a player they actually want to keep.

Isn't there a " franchise tag" and a " transition tag" that can be used?

umphrey
11-17-2009, 04:53 PM
Yes and I think the rules about them are different this offseason because of the CBA (or lack thereof). I believe the rules benefit the team with either an additional transition tag or the franchise tag has some features of the transition tag. Too lazy to look up details.

roidrunner
11-18-2009, 07:25 PM
There is a rumor that Brian Brohm is going to the bills, has anyone else heard anything about this?

jackalope
11-18-2009, 09:31 PM
Charles Woodson named NFC Defensive Player of the Week. No surprise there.

http://packers.com/news/releases/2009/11/18/2/

cvv84
11-18-2009, 09:33 PM
There is a rumor that Brian Brohm is going to the bills, has anyone else heard anything about this?

Seeing he is on our practice squad any team can put a claim in on him and get him.

roidrunner
11-19-2009, 01:18 AM
Brohm signs with Buffalo, here is something from Rotoworld:
Bills signed QB Brian Brohm off the Packers' practice squad.
Brohm is unlikely to make a difference in Buffalo, but he's a worthwhile late-season pickup with the Bills going nowhere. The 2008 second-round pick lacked confidence throughout his 1 1/2-year stay in Green Bay. He has NFL-caliber tools, but probably needs a miracle-working position coach to fix his mindset. Brohm will finish out 2009 as Buffalo's No. 4 quarterback.

TitleTown088
11-20-2009, 04:46 PM
What's " roidrunner supposed to mean? That you deal steroids? I've always wondered.

jsa230
11-21-2009, 01:12 AM
Brohm signs with Buffalo, here is something from Rotoworld:
Bills signed QB Brian Brohm off the Packers' practice squad.
Brohm is unlikely to make a difference in Buffalo, but he's a worthwhile late-season pickup with the Bills going nowhere. The 2008 second-round pick lacked confidence throughout his 1 1/2-year stay in Green Bay. He has NFL-caliber tools, but probably needs a miracle-working position coach to fix his mindset. Brohm will finish out 2009 as Buffalo's No. 4 quarterback.

damn what a waste of a 2nd round pick, should have drafted henne

cvv84
11-21-2009, 07:40 PM
damn what a waste of a 2nd round pick, should have drafted henne

Easy to say that now. It was a strange pick then but at least we knew when to cut ties and admit defeat. Next up: Pat Lee

roidrunner
11-22-2009, 04:10 PM
What's " roidrunner supposed to mean? That you deal steroids? I've always wondered.

LOL, actually i could not think of something to have as my name, but it was during during the Barry Bonds Steroid saga. So i just came up with it.

princefielder28
11-22-2009, 05:22 PM
Al Harris out for the year with a torn ACL

TitleTown088
11-22-2009, 05:46 PM
Al Harris out for the year with a torn ACL

Greg Bedard just said that's the initial prognosis for Kampman as well.

Time to see what the young guys can do.

tjsunstein
11-22-2009, 05:58 PM
Greg Bedard just said that's the initial prognosis for Kampman as well.

Time to see what the young guys can do.

This is Brad Jones' time to show what he has.

Remaining Schedule:

Week 12 - At Detroit
Week 13 - Vs. Baltimore
Week 14 - At Chicago
Week 15 - At Pittsburgh
Week 16 - Vs. Seattle
Week 17 - At Arizona

We're 6-4 right now. I think we're looking at 10-6, best case scenario. I think that gets us wildcard this year.

cvv84
11-22-2009, 06:21 PM
This is Brad Jones' time to show what he has.

Remaining Schedule:

Week 12 - At Detroit
Week 13 - Vs. Baltimore
Week 14 - At Chicago
Week 15 - At Pittsburgh
Week 16 - Vs. Seattle
Week 17 - At Arizona

We're 6-4 right now. I think we're looking at 10-6, best case scenario. I think that gets us wildcard this year.

I like the kid but he's still raw. More so though I think that having a true 3-4 player like Jones will benefit Matthews.

Have to feel for Kampman though. He said and did all the right things even though he wasn't happy playing in the 3-4 and now he's looking at missing the start of next season as a free agent.

With Harris he's going to be 35 in December and has 2 years left on his contract. If he can get back healthy I'd shift him to safety. But he is also cheap enough to just cut loose.

drowe
11-23-2009, 10:30 AM
This is Brad Jones' time to show what he has.

Remaining Schedule:

Week 12 - At Detroit
Week 13 - Vs. Baltimore
Week 14 - At Chicago
Week 15 - At Pittsburgh
Week 16 - Vs. Seattle
Week 17 - At Arizona

We're 6-4 right now. I think we're looking at 10-6, best case scenario. I think that gets us wildcard this year.

I do believe 10-6 easily gets a Wild Card. the East is just gonna keep beating itself up and the Falcons do not look like a team ready to make a surge. I bet a 9-7 team makes it this year.

The way the schedule breaks down, the 2 games that are must wins are Detroit and Seattle. Obviously can't afford another Tampa Bay let down.

Beyond those 2, Chicago is playing like garbage now. they could turn it around, but they have nothing going for them right now and I wouldn't be surprised to see 'em lose to Detroit. Really should come out of there with a win.

The Arizona game is interesting. As it stands, it's hard to imagine they'll have anything to play for in week 17. We might see a situation similar to when we played Denver to close out the 2003 season.

Baltimore and Pitt are 2 more teams moving in the wrong direction right now.

I think it's a pretty favorable schedule the rest of the way...but, seeing how they respond to the loss of Harris and Kampman will be big.

TitleTown088
11-23-2009, 01:13 PM
This is Brad Jones' time to show what he has.

Remaining Schedule:

Week 12 - At Detroit
Week 13 - Vs. Baltimore
Week 14 - At Chicago
Week 15 - At Pittsburgh
Week 16 - Vs. Seattle
Week 17 - At Arizona

We're 6-4 right now. I think we're looking at 10-6, best case scenario. I think that gets us wildcard this year.
Best case is 12-4, man. :)

princefielder28
11-23-2009, 03:48 PM
According to Al Harris' father, Al's career is over. I work at a gas station in Green Bay and one of my co-workers talked to his father. Sad news for him.

roughrider30
11-23-2009, 04:15 PM
According to Al Harris' father, Al's career is over. I work at a gas station in Green Bay and one of my co-workers talked to his father. Sad news for him.

According to this, Harris told his agent he will "be back in 6 months following the surgery." I really hope this is the case.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/71721762.html

RyanBraun8
11-23-2009, 07:08 PM
I like the kid but he's still raw. More so though I think that having a true 3-4 player like Jones will benefit Matthews.

Have to feel for Kampman though. He said and did all the right things even though he wasn't happy playing in the 3-4 and now he's looking at missing the start of next season as a free agent.

With Harris he's going to be 35 in December and has 2 years left on his contract. If he can get back healthy I'd shift him to safety. But he is also cheap enough to just cut loose.

I dislike those two idea a lot with Harris. Harris is not a saftey what so ever. He doesn't have the trangables that Woodson does to move over. He doesn't have great ball skills, he is a good tackler for a CB but not a guy who could play in the box and the worst part of the idea is what makes him effective is how aggressive he is and by moving him to saftey you take that away from him. It'd be worse than the move of Kampman a true pass rusher to OLB where he has to drop in coverage half the time. Why take a proven pro-bowl player out of his element and make him play a position he hasn't played and doesn't fit his skill set?

Whistler6
11-23-2009, 08:53 PM
I dislike those two idea a lot with Harris. Harris is not a saftey what so ever. He doesn't have the trangables that Woodson does to move over. He doesn't have great ball skills, he is a good tackler for a CB but not a guy who could play in the box and the worst part of the idea is what makes him effective is how aggressive he is and by moving him to saftey you take that away from him. It'd be worse than the move of Kampman a true pass rusher to OLB where he has to drop in coverage half the time. Why take a proven pro-bowl player out of his element and make him play a position he hasn't played and doesn't fit his skill set?

Green Bay will over-value their CB talent, wait to admite it until midway next season, then they will pick up a still-injured-but-almost-back Al Harris off the free agent wire hoping he will save the season, and he will again get injured and bounce in and out of games until seasons end...Resemble anything?

TitleTown088
11-23-2009, 09:31 PM
According to this, Harris told his agent he will "be back in 6 months following the surgery." I really hope this is the case.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/71721762.html

Yeah, Al is a bad ass. I'm sure he'll be back





Packers signed CB Josh Bell, formerly of the Broncos.

jackalope
11-23-2009, 09:46 PM
Great game yesterday. Got to see my second (straight) win at Lambeau. Our offense in the first half looked like the one we were seeing in preseason. I get excited just seeing Finley enter the game. Obviously we didn't play near that level in the second half, but at least the run game showed it could move the ball in an important situation.

The injuries obviously hurt, but I still think we're a playoff team. I think we'll be able to deal with losing Kampman without major drop off. Harris going down really hurts though, because we simply don't have enough depth at corner to take that hit. I wouldn't expect to see Kampman or Harris play another game for the Packers again. Harris is 35 with back-to-back seasons of major injuries, and everyone is aware of Kampman's situation.

Time to reluctantly get a new sig.

Whistler6
11-23-2009, 10:12 PM
So I was just checking out the stats on NFL.com. Ryan Grant is 9th in the NFL in yards with 829, averaging 4.4 yards per carry, and...AND is the only running back in the top 10 to not have a fumble yet this year.

Say what you will about the guy, but he is running hard and holding on to that ball. With Rodgers having only 5 picks through 10 games and Grant having 0 fumbles, the offense is definitely doing their part in the turnover battle.

drowe
11-24-2009, 09:12 AM
According to Al Harris' father, Al's career is over. I work at a gas station in Green Bay and one of my co-workers talked to his father. Sad news for him.

that'd be hard to imagine.

so, what gas station in GB do you work at?

princefielder28
11-24-2009, 01:37 PM
that'd be hard to imagine.

so, what gas station in GB do you work at?

Grand Central Station on the corner of Mason & Packerland

drowe
11-24-2009, 02:32 PM
Grand Central Station on the corner of Mason & Packerland

crazy. that's the closest gas station to my house. i live between mason and 29. i'll have to stop in some time.

fischbowl
11-24-2009, 02:33 PM
So, remember when they had Aaron Rodgers go sit in a green room?

princefielder28
11-24-2009, 02:47 PM
crazy. that's the closest gas station to my house. i live between mason and 29. i'll have to stop in some time.

sounds good. i'm in minnesota right now but i'll be back there around christmas time

bigboiajhawk
11-24-2009, 05:11 PM
So I was just checking out the stats on NFL.com. Ryan Grant is 9th in the NFL in yards with 829, averaging 4.4 yards per carry, and...AND is the only running back in the top 10 to not have a fumble yet this year.

Say what you will about the guy, but he is running hard and holding on to that ball. With Rodgers having only 5 picks through 10 games and Grant having 0 fumbles, the offense is definitely doing their part in the turnover battle.

I was just checking this out as well. I like Grant, I think he fits the old Green Bay running style, with more power than speed. I also think he does not get enough credit for his hands. That pass that he caught from Arod against the niners was quite impressive.

Favre4ever
11-24-2009, 08:22 PM
I was just checking this out as well. I like Grant, I think he fits the old Green Bay running style, with more power than speed. I also think he does not get enough credit for his hands. That pass that he caught from Arod against the niners was quite impressive.
Ive noticed that he does get better as the season goes on. It happened last year and on his first year also. It also helps that we finally have some stability on the offensive line.

Whistler6
11-24-2009, 08:22 PM
I was just checking this out as well. I like Grant, I think he fits the old Green Bay running style, with more power than speed. I also think he does not get enough credit for his hands. That pass that he caught from Arod against the niners was quite impressive.

Hah, I remember that. It was a 5 yard bullet that probably could have been picked off if it slips through his hands. Of course, I'd love to have a homerun hitting type RB -- Steven Jackson, AD, Chris Johnson, etc...But it's hard to complain about a guy who doesn't fumble, averages over 4 yards, and can actually block.

Can't have everything I suppose.

LonghornsLegend
11-24-2009, 08:40 PM
Easy to say that now. It was a strange pick then but at least we knew when to cut ties and admit defeat. Next up: Pat Lee

Has lee not panned out for you guys? I remember most of you guys here wanted to take Jenkins at the end of that round but you ended up with Lee, I was just never really sure how he's looked in his time there.

tjsunstein
11-24-2009, 08:58 PM
Has lee not panned out for you guys?

Simply put, not exactly.

roidrunner
11-24-2009, 09:08 PM
to be completely honest, i have not heard anything out of him since he was drafted

umphrey
11-25-2009, 06:18 PM
I'm pretty sure he's been on IR for 75%-85% of the time he's been here, this year and last.

PACKmanN
11-26-2009, 04:38 PM
so, who does the team keep Jolly or Pickett? can't imagine keeping both with Raji's contract and Jenkins getting a raise soon.

cvv84
11-26-2009, 05:32 PM
so, who does the team keep Jolly or Pickett? can't imagine keeping both with Raji's contract and Jenkins getting a raise soon.

Jenkins still has 1 year left on his contract and he's been banged up alot over the past few years so I don't think there's any rush to extend him just yet.

At this point I think you have to keep Pickett because he's really played well in the 3-4 and Raji's versitle enough to play DE. Jolly could be a restricted free agent depending on the CBA and his legal case could be an issue as well.

TitleTown088
11-26-2009, 09:12 PM
so, who does the team keep Jolly or Pickett? can't imagine keeping both with Raji's contract and Jenkins getting a raise soon.

Hopefully both.

cvv84
11-26-2009, 09:53 PM
I found this interesting, in this weeks issue of SI they had a pool of 296 NFL players and who they'd least like to play for.

Number 1 didn't suprise me as it was the Raiders at 20%

Number 2 was the Bills at 14%

And who was number 3? The Green Bay Packers at 13%

Next was the Lions at 12% and the Browns at 7%

PACKmanN
11-26-2009, 10:24 PM
Jenkins still has 1 year left on his contract and he's been banged up alot over the past few years so I don't think there's any rush to extend him just yet.

At this point I think you have to keep Pickett because he's really played well in the 3-4 and Raji's versitle enough to play DE. Jolly could be a restricted free agent depending on the CBA and his legal case could be an issue as well.
well you usually see teams resign players they want to keep longer when they have 1 year left on their deal. Jenkins has also been a force in our defense, and should be resigned asap, unless they want to pay more the following year.

I would rather keep the money that it would take to keep both and sign a FA with that, imo.

cvv84
11-26-2009, 11:09 PM
well you usually see teams resign players they want to keep longer when they have 1 year left on their deal. Jenkins has also been a force in our defense, and should be resigned asap, unless they want to pay more the following year.

I would rather keep the money that it would take to keep both and sign a FA with that, imo.

We have numerous other guys that need new contracts before Jenkins IMO. We have a ton of potential free agents after this season.

PACKmanN
11-27-2009, 08:18 AM
We have numerous other guys that need new contracts before Jenkins IMO. We have a ton of potential free agents after this season.

The guys I would keep are Tramon, Collins, Bigby (if we're not overpaying for him), and Colledge.

Let Jolly, Pickett, and Spitz walk.

I keep Spitz if we can trade Wells for something and make Spitz our offical OC.

Jpack18
11-27-2009, 10:00 AM
I was just watching that 1st and 10 on ESPN and saw that skip bayless had A-Rod as an MVP canidate, I agree with this somewhat when you consider the types of numbers he has put up while being sacked 45 times or whatever. Just wondering what other packer fans might think of this.

princefielder28
11-27-2009, 10:41 AM
I was just watching that 1st and 10 on ESPN and saw that skip bayless had A-Rod as an MVP canidate, I agree with this somewhat when you consider the types of numbers he has put up while being sacked 45 times or whatever. Just wondering what other packer fans might think of this.

I think Rodgers is a Top 5 MVP candidate but I don't see the Packers having enough team success for him to win it (the Packers would have to win out and even then it may not be enough).

Here's my MVP breakdown right now...

1. Brett Favre
2. Peyton Manning
3. Drew Brees
4. Tom Brady
5. Aaron Rodgers

TitleTown088
11-27-2009, 02:59 PM
There is no way Rodgers would win it even if he deserved it with Manning and Brent in consideration.

Boston
11-27-2009, 09:00 PM
The guys I would keep are Tramon, Collins, Bigby (if we're not overpaying for him), and Colledge.

Let Jolly, Pickett, and Spitz walk.

I keep Spitz if we can trade Wells for something and make Spitz our offical OC.

Completely agree, let's let half our defensive line walk. That worked out great the last time we did it...

umphrey
11-27-2009, 09:54 PM
Keep Tramon, Collins, Jolly, Pickett. Keeping Jolly and Pickett might mean having 4 must-start players on a 3 man line. If the team is concerned about that then franchise Pickett and wait through part of the year to see where our line is and possibly trade him. I'd rather keep all 4. Need to have that extra guy in case of injury, plus we can rotate to keep the 3 man line fresh, plus we use all 4 in short yardage formations anyway.

Spitz, Colledge can walk unless they are willing to take pretty cheap contracts. I'd rather let them both walk, scrap the ZBS, and fill 4/5s of the line from FA, draft, and trades. The only long term starter on that line is Sitton, IMO. Filling 4 starters in 1 year may sound drastic, but we have to write up 4 new contracts for starters anyway. The only reason to keep these guys is if they played well together or have had success in the system we run, both false. Spitz would be useful to keep around as an interior backup.

Bigby can walk too unless he'd also take a cheap contract like that of someone who is playing to prove he's a starter, just like Colledge and Spitz.

umphrey
11-27-2009, 11:15 PM
Back in the day the Packers (and the Lions) offered a contract to Barack Obama. Also Brad Jones is 4 classes away from a major in astrophysics (an astronaught of sorts). Two interesting facts I came across today.

TitleTown088
11-28-2009, 02:40 PM
Completely agree, let's let half our defensive line walk. That worked out great the last time we did it...

Yeah, it's not like the Dline hasn't been the strength of our team or anything.

cvv84
11-28-2009, 10:49 PM
Keep Tramon, Collins, Jolly, Pickett. Keeping Jolly and Pickett might mean having 4 must-start players on a 3 man line. If the team is concerned about that then franchise Pickett and wait through part of the year to see where our line is and possibly trade him. I'd rather keep all 4. Need to have that extra guy in case of injury, plus we can rotate to keep the 3 man line fresh, plus we use all 4 in short yardage formations anyway.

Spitz, Colledge can walk unless they are willing to take pretty cheap contracts. I'd rather let them both walk, scrap the ZBS, and fill 4/5s of the line from FA, draft, and trades. The only long term starter on that line is Sitton, IMO. Filling 4 starters in 1 year may sound drastic, but we have to write up 4 new contracts for starters anyway. The only reason to keep these guys is if they played well together or have had success in the system we run, both false. Spitz would be useful to keep around as an interior backup.

Bigby can walk too unless he'd also take a cheap contract like that of someone who is playing to prove he's a starter, just like Colledge and Spitz.

I agree with you but I think you guys are a little too down on Spitz. He's a good player that has had to play the "versitility card" that the Packers place so much importance on. I also think that Lang is a future starter either at tackle or LG.

TitleTown088
11-29-2009, 10:08 AM
Let, Spitz, Colledge, and bigby walk...?

At this point none of them are going to demand a fat contract. Colledge showing he can't get Tackle money, SPitz on IR, and Bigby being injured and playing average. If nothing else they're there for depth. Colledge has had a rough season, but he's rebounded well the past couple games. The only reason I see him going is if the staff feels Lang is better at LG, but I hope for Lang at RT. Spitz is a fine center, better than Wells, I see no reason to let him walk. Same with Bigby.

Imagine the obvious holes the Packers would have this off season if you let those guys walk...LT LG C Maybe RT SS CB LOLB. You're not gonna fill all that in the draft and anyone else of near the same quality is gonna cost more in free agency.

If you let those three walk imagine the hole

Zaytoven
11-29-2009, 11:20 AM
Keep Tramon, Collins, Jolly, Pickett. Keeping Jolly and Pickett might mean having 4 must-start players on a 3 man line. If the team is concerned about that then franchise Pickett and wait through part of the year to see where our line is and possibly trade him. I'd rather keep all 4. Need to have that extra guy in case of injury, plus we can rotate to keep the 3 man line fresh, plus we use all 4 in short yardage formations anyway.

Spitz, Colledge can walk unless they are willing to take pretty cheap contracts. I'd rather let them both walk, scrap the ZBS, and fill 4/5s of the line from FA, draft, and trades. The only long term starter on that line is Sitton, IMO. Filling 4 starters in 1 year may sound drastic, but we have to write up 4 new contracts for starters anyway. The only reason to keep these guys is if they played well together or have had success in the system we run, both false. Spitz would be useful to keep around as an interior backup.

Bigby can walk too unless he'd also take a cheap contract like that of someone who is playing to prove he's a starter, just like Colledge and Spitz.

Pickett will never get the franchise tag. Signing him would be much cheaper than paying him the ridiculous amount that the franchise tag entails.

All four players (Raji, Pickett, Jolly, Jenkins) will get plenty of snaps. Pickett only plays in the base because he doesn't offer anything in the pass game. Raji will tons of snaps in the nickel, dime, and at both NT and DE in the base.

I think you're too down on Colledge. He's proven he's a good player despite that bad stretch of games he had this season. I think this season is actually a great opportunity to get many of their offensive linemen back for a bargain price. The interior offensive line hasn't been that bad, it's mostly been the tackle position. Also, I think they're a bit better than they're given credit for. They've been ravaged by injuries and Rodgers is more prone to hold the ball and take a snap than throw into coverage or throw it away. I think they have all the answers on the interior line on the roster right now, it's just LT and RT that are question marks.

Bigby can probably be brought back relatively cheap. I think that's a good move but investing in a future starter at SS would be a good idea. Still, Bigby could hold the fort down and also provide depth until that player is ready.

umphrey
11-29-2009, 12:59 PM
Lang slipped my mind entirely when I wrote that. I see him as a future LG or RT for us. Interestingly one scout says he has the body of a center.

Colledge hasn't proved squat. He's been inconsistent ranging from mediocre to flat out terrible.

I'm all for keeping Bigby if we can sign him and still bring in competition at that position. I just don't want to lock him up long term.

As for creating holes on the OL by letting those guys walk, well, those holes are there already. What separates Spitz and Colledge from any other free agent we might sign? Probably nothing except that they have been here for years and haven't improved the poor play they had when they got here. Spitz might be worth bringing back - I just think you put too much value on him. He will be coming back from a major injury - a spinal injury that could be the start of Justin Harrell 2.0: offensive lineman. If healthy he is still pretty limitted when it comes to upside. I don't think he has a lot of room to improve. He might project as more of a good utility backup than a bonafide starter.

cvv84
11-29-2009, 01:13 PM
You guys are crazy. I can't believe half of the things that are being said on here.

Whistler6
11-29-2009, 09:12 PM
You guys are crazy. I can't believe half of the things that are being said on here.

Yeah...I'm not sure I get it. Let's let half of our starters walk? Pickett and Jolly have played at pro-bowl levels at times this year.


But yes, I do agree Bigby could leave. He isn't a cover guy in any way.

jackalope
11-29-2009, 09:29 PM
Don't we have plenty of cap room available? Collins we absolutely have to keep, even if it means putting the franchise tag on him. I would at least make an attempt to resign Trammon, Jolly, Colledge, Spitz, Bigby, and Pickett. I don't see any of those guys costing too much, and resigning them doesn't mean we can't still replace them. If you let guys walk because you think you can upgrade, it'll leave you extremely exposed and dictate what you'll have to do in the offseason. I can see Pickett leaving, because we might not want to pay him starter money with Raji taking over soon.

cvv84
11-29-2009, 09:45 PM
Yeah...I'm not sure I get it. Let's let half of our starters walk? Pickett and Jolly have played at pro-bowl levels at times this year.


But yes, I do agree Bigby could leave. He isn't a cover guy in any way.

I thought Pickett has played outstanding this year. Our run defense has gone from 26th last year to 4th this year. I'm not saying our defense is as great as the rankings would indicate but we've shut down Adrian Peterson twice which is saying something.

Jolly's been hot and cold but we could start Raji and end next year and just rotate Jolly to keep him and Jenkins fresh. You can never have enough good players on your team. Look at the hits that the Jets and Chargers took when Kris Jenkins and Jamal Williams went down and now the Browns with Shaun Rogers.

Pickett is only 30 years old and has been durable throughout his career. If he can stick around another 2-3 years I'm all for it. We wouldn't have to spend top picks on Dlineman to replace the talent we'd be losing. Instead we can draft and develop some mid to late round guys.

If there is no cap next year I believe that Bigby would again be a restricted free agent. I'd bring him back at that price but we definetly need to get someone for the future back there. Collins can be locked up. 2 years in a row that he's played well and he's shown that he can play in the 3-4 defense.

Offensive line is a bit tricky. I hate the zone blocking scheme with passion. We're potentially looking at an offensive line with Clifton and possibly Tauscher. I have a hard time believing both guys will be gone next year seeing our troubles with the Oline this year. Personally I'd let Clifton go and bring back Tauscher for another year. Colledge could potentially be back as a restricted free agent and cheaply at that. I'd have Lang at LG, Spitz at center, Sitton at RG, and Tauscher at RT. We aren't going to pickup a LT on the open market so I'd look to trade up in the draft and get someone who can stabilize the line. Clifton would be a backup plan.

We have a TON of potential free agents/restricted free agents and letting half these guys go would just be downright foolish. You can't fix all the problems in 1 offseason so you have to pick and choose your battles.

Don't we have plenty of cap room available? Collins we absolutely have to keep, even if it means putting the franchise tag on him. I would at least make an attempt to resign Trammon, Jolly, Colledge, Spitz, Bigby, and Pickett. I don't see any of those guys costing too much, and resigning them doesn't mean we can't still replace them. If you let guys walk because you're you think you can upgrade, it'll leave you extremely exposed and dictate what you'll have to do in the offseason. I can see Pickett leaving, because we might not want to pay him starter money with Raji taking over soon.

I believe we have roughly around $20 million in cap space available. The thing is Trammon, Jolly, Colledge, Spitz, and Bigby could all be restricted free agents next season. That's getting all those guys back for another season for around $8-10 million total. Pickett loves it here and its not like we have to start Raji at NT next season. He could play end like he's doing now. Either way thats financial flexibility at that position.

umphrey
11-29-2009, 10:30 PM
Well I'm assuming we can't resign everybody. I'd rather let Colledge and Spitz go before Jolly or Pickett. Also we need to free up minimum 2 roster spots for draft pick/free agent or draft pick/draft pick. IF we are willing to cough up the cash I'd rather wait until free agency starts and look at everyone that is available than commit to one of those two.

And another thing the salary cap is the biggest lie in the NFL. We have had lots of room since we let Riviera and Wahle go. I believe there was a new CBA within a year with a much higher cap. Since then the economy tanked but the cap rose steadily (this trend will be even more prevalent this coming off season). I can guarantee that we won't extend players this offseason to save money for reasons not related to the cap.

TitleTown088
11-30-2009, 12:50 AM
As of right now the Packers have the # 1 overall defense in the NFL...

http://www.nfl.com/stats/team

bigboiajhawk
11-30-2009, 11:44 AM
As of right now the Packers have the # 1 overall defense in the NFL...

http://www.nfl.com/stats/team

Thank you Dom Capers. The thing I like the most is that we can actually stop the run this year.

Whistler6
11-30-2009, 03:20 PM
Wow, stats can be deceiving but it's clear they are much MUCH better than previus years...Schedule has a place in their as well though.

This offseason, Green Bay should not* draft an O-line with the expectations he will be the immediate anchor. Atleast not LT. I think for once, they should spend some of that damn money and bring in a couple starter-quality veterans. Enough of the younger and younger approach...Atleast in this case.

D-Unit
11-30-2009, 07:19 PM
So much positivity in here! Feels warm and fuzzy?

Soooo wildcard spot all locked up? It's between you and Philly.

princefielder28
11-30-2009, 07:21 PM
So much positivity in here! Feels warm and fuzzy?

Soooo wildcard spot all locked up? It's between you and Philly.

With Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and Arizona still on the schedule it's not a lock but I like their chances of holding onto a wildcard spot.

cvv84
11-30-2009, 07:58 PM
Thank you Dom Capers. The thing I like the most is that we can actually stop the run this year.

Now we just need to get our LBs geared more towards their 3-4 role. If we can find a capable guy opposite Matthews I think the sacks and pressure would start to come.

Its going to take a little more time but I'm liking the transition to the 3-4 so far.

umphrey
12-01-2009, 03:14 AM
How can you not? We have the #1 defense right now. I don't see any positions on that side of the ball where we would look to add a starter or a #1 draft pick. Some depth especially in the secondary is probably needed though.

RockJock07
12-01-2009, 09:27 AM
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/index.html

Just saw this, probably nothing but buried in the portion about Golden Tate. This peice says that TT was there in the press Box with a reserved seat. Looking at whom though? Gerhart, Tate, Interesting and I post it because both those guys will go pretty high so why would TT dare spend a high pick on Gerhart or Tate when he doesn't really need to? Is there a stud OL prospect that plays on either Stanford or ND?

I'm not gonna lie, adding Gerhart or Tate to this offense would be awesome but not needed. I think we would see more points and production for an inproved online but I do think the Packers need another solid RB.

bigboiajhawk
12-01-2009, 11:27 AM
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/index.html

Just saw this, probably nothing but buried in the portion about Golden Tate. This peice says that TT was there in the press Box with a reserved seat. Looking at whom though? Gerhart, Tate, Interesting and I post it because both those guys will go pretty high so why would TT dare spend a high pick on Gerhart or Tate when he doesn't really need to? Is there a stud OL prospect that plays on either Stanford or ND?

I'm not gonna lie, adding Gerhart or Tate to this offense would be awesome but not needed. I think we would see more points and production for an inproved online but I do think the Packers need another solid RB.


Maybe TT wants Weis to play LT for the Pack next year; we could sure use his size.

BmoreBlackByrdz
12-01-2009, 05:26 PM
hey, have the Packers really fixed there o-line problems or am I only hearing this because you guys just beat San Fran and Detroit? I'm not trying to start anything, just wanna know if your o-line has improved.

Favre4ever
12-01-2009, 05:30 PM
hey, have the Packers really fixed there o-line problems or am I only hearing this because you guys just beat San Fran and Detroit? I'm not trying to start anything, just wanna know if your o-line has improved.

We almost blanked Dallas also...Clifton and Tauscher stabilized our O-line a lot. I wouldnt say that its perfect but at least now we can compete with any front 7 in the league.

cvv84
12-01-2009, 08:18 PM
hey, have the Packers really fixed there o-line problems or am I only hearing this because you guys just beat San Fran and Detroit? I'm not trying to start anything, just wanna know if your o-line has improved.

The majority of the problem has been the the playcalling and Rodgers holding the ball too long. Lately we've been doing alot more quick passes which our offense is geared towards. Give any defense 5+ seconds and they're going to get to the QB. The Oline isn't as bad as its been made out to be.

bigboiajhawk
12-01-2009, 08:44 PM
http://www.espnmilwaukee.com/includes/news_items/40/news_items_more.php?id=2047&section_id=40

This is a really nice article to read. It's about BJ Raji and hitting the "rookie wall". If you don't have time to read the whole article, read the portion where Pickett talks about Raji. He calls him probably the strongest Dlineman on the team. I can't wait till he hits his stride, because I think he has the ability to be unstoppable.

TitleTown088
12-02-2009, 03:45 PM
So much positivity in here! Feels warm and fuzzy?

Soooo wildcard spot all locked up? It's between you and Philly.

Yeah, we'd like to play the Cowboys again too. ;)

Whistler6
12-02-2009, 03:50 PM
If Green Bay can make it to the playoffs, they should be happy to play on the road...Dallas, Arizona, Minnesota, New Orleans. Warm weather games throughout.

The Packers are not built to grind out games in cold weather and on the ground. So even though the Saints and/or Vikings could light them up (especially without Al Harris), I think a dome gives them better chances than sub zero temps.

Random thought.

TitleTown088
12-02-2009, 04:32 PM
The Packers are not built to grind out games in cold weather and on the ground.
. Defensively? Hell yes they are. Look at that bulk up front.

Offensively... Remember Grant vs the Seahawks? He broke the Packers single playoff game rushing record in the snow.

I'd much rather play in the cold than in some away dome. When's the last time the packers won in a dome? St. Louis? Other than that they've had difficult at Minny, and NO in recent times.

Whistler6
12-02-2009, 10:30 PM
Defensively? Hell yes they are. Look at that bulk up front.

Offensively... Remember Grant vs the Seahawks? He broke the Packers single playoff game rushing record in the snow.

I'd much rather play in the cold than in some away dome. When's the last time the packers won in a dome? St. Louis? Other than that they've had difficult at Minny, and NO in recent times.

Defensively yeah absolutely they are better off in the cold...But as far as offense and kicking game (ugh), I don't think playing in freezing weather is an advantage to them in any way. When was the last time Green Bay benefitted from cold weather besides the 90's?

*Seattle aside

My point is, I just think they stand a better chance of going toe-toe with the likes of New orleans and Minnesota if it's an offensive shootout rather than a Giants-esque showdown in late Decemeber, January.

umphrey
12-03-2009, 03:22 AM
I'd much rather play New Orleans out doors. I think we could actually stomp them in bad weather. Don't know about Minnesota.

Favre4ever
12-03-2009, 06:13 AM
If Green Bay can make it to the playoffs, they should be happy to play on the road...Dallas, Arizona, Minnesota, New Orleans. Warm weather games throughout.

The Packers are not built to grind out games in cold weather and on the ground. So even though the Saints and/or Vikings could light them up (especially without Al Harris), I think a dome gives them better chances than sub zero temps.

Random thought.

The other teams you mentionned aside from minny are even less built to grind out games in the cold. Heck, it would be our best chance to beat them. Nobody wants to play at lambeau in the playoffs.

Whistler6
12-03-2009, 06:28 AM
The other teams you mentionned aside from minny are even less built to grind out games in the cold. Heck, it would be our best chance to beat them. Nobody wants to play at lambeau in the playoffs.

If you look at their home record the past couple years, neither do the Packers...

Favre4ever
12-03-2009, 10:11 AM
If you look at their home record the past couple years, neither do the Packers...

At least the Packers are used to the cold which is a big advantage. The Seahawks just folded when they came here 2 years ago. Last year was a mini transition year, from now on id expect the Packers to take advantage of their home field. They can run it and win im sure.

Zycho32
12-03-2009, 10:21 PM
Good luck with that, because home games from December on are going to be totally rare, at least for this season.

Only way GB could score some home games in the playoffs is if Minnesota does a five-game swan dive down the stretch.

Whistler6
12-03-2009, 11:36 PM
Good luck with that, because home games from December on are going to be totally rare, at least for this season.

Only way GB could score some home games in the playoffs is if Minnesota does a five-game swan dive down the stretch.


That's why my point was, since they will be on the road if they make the playoffs...I think they have the best chance playing in a dome or warm weather anyways.

Zycho32
12-03-2009, 11:48 PM
Not necessarily. The team may not exactly be GEARED for cold weather football, but you can't automatically discount the advantages Home Field provides.

The biggest problems the team have extend beyond the Stadium quirks.

umphrey
12-04-2009, 09:18 AM
I don't see how we can stop New Orleans in a dome. In Green Bay with some bad conditions Drew Brees, the Saints passing game, and their offense in general doesn't have anything over Green Bay. In a dome though, all that speed and precision passing is going to be really hard to compete against.

Favre4ever
12-04-2009, 12:59 PM
I don't see how we can stop New Orleans in a dome. In Green Bay with some bad conditions Drew Brees, the Saints passing game, and their offense in general doesn't have anything over Green Bay. In a dome though, all that speed and precision passing is going to be really hard to compete against.

Our only chance is that Rodgers can go toe-to-toe with Brees, something that seems impossible right now. Last year, Rodgers hanged in there for a half and then tried to do too much because the defense couldnt stop them. The key is to create turnovers against the Saints. Zero turnovers=zero chances to win against the Saints.

The Packers could pull it off because they have the offense and the defense to create turnovers but i wouldnt bet on it.

AJHawk50
12-04-2009, 03:06 PM
I don't think anyone has posted this but I just seen this on nfl.com!

GREEN BAY, Wis. -- Packers outside linebacker Jeremy Thompson has been hospitalized for testing after suffering a neck injury during practice Friday.

Packers coach Mike McCarthy said Thompson remained conscious after the neck stinger. Thompson, a second-year pro who's primarily used on special teams, missed the Packers' first two preseason games because of a shoulder stinger earlier this year.

McCarthy said the injury happened near the end of Friday's practice. McCarthy stayed with Thompson while he was being loaded into an ambulance.

Zycho32
12-04-2009, 04:47 PM
Is it time to switch Korey Hall back to Linebacker?

AJHawk50
12-04-2009, 06:16 PM
Packers.com

Outside linebacker Jeremy Thompson is resting and recovering at Bellin Hospital in Green Bay on Friday evening after suffering a serious neck sprain toward the end of practice.

Thompson, who battled neck and shoulder stingers throughout training camp this past summer, went down late during Friday's practice with what was originally termed another neck stinger. Thompson remained down for several minutes and an ambulance was summoned to take him to St. Vincent Hospital, also in Green Bay, for a complete battery of tests.

Thompson never lost consciousness nor experienced paralysis at any point.

"We're just taking the high side of caution here," Head Coach Mike McCarthy said following practice.

During a team (11-on-11) drill with the defense going against the scout-team offense, Thompson tried to tackle practice-squad running back Kregg Lumpkin on an inside running play.

"His head hit my shoulder pad as I was going through the hole, and after that he just fell back on the ground," Lumpkin said.

Teammates said they could see Thompson moving his legs and his feet, and he was talking, communicating to the medical staff that it was his shoulder that was hurting. McCarthy said he was with Thompson as he was put into the ambulance.

"It's tough. You never want to see anybody down like that," defensive end Cullen Jenkins said. "You say a prayer and hope everything is OK."

With the season-ending injury two weeks ago to outside linebacker Aaron Kampman, Thompson had begun seeing more snaps from scrimmage in the past couple of games, as he and Brady Poppinga occasionally rotated in for starters Clay Matthews and Brad Jones.

Matthews said he and the other outside backers will have to make up for Thompson's absence Monday night against the Ravens, but he's hoping to see his teammate back in action before too long.

"Hopefully it's not as serious as we thought," said Matthews, whose locker is next to Thompson's. "We're all praying for him and hope he has a speedy recovery."

Whistler6
12-04-2009, 11:49 PM
Along with Jeremy Thompson, from what I read on jsonline it looks like Lang might be out as well? It's confusing what is said about Clifton, but might just be to throw us off.

From Bob McGinn:

Rookie offensive lineman T.J. Lang was not present during the portion of practice open to the media. The reason is not known at this time. Coach Mike McCarthy will be speaking near the top of the hour.

Lang's availability is interesting because he's believed to be the top backup to left tackle Chad Clifton. McCarthy has said Clifton isn't a definite for the game (although we have our doubts). For the second-straight day, Clifton did not appear to be limited by his hamstring injury in the portion of practice open to the media.

One interesting thing from Thursday's workout: Allen Barbre took some reps at left tackle. Seemed odd. If Clifton's status really was in doubt, wouldn't Lang get all the reps he could on the left side?

umphrey
12-05-2009, 04:33 AM
Too bad about Jeremy Thompson. I hope he has a speedy, full recovery. His health takes precedence over football. I'd really like to see him back on the field though. I think he'll be able to help this football team in some way if he can stay healthy and continues his hard work.

umphrey
12-05-2009, 04:49 AM
I want to give a shoutout to the entire team for their amazing ability to win the turnover battle every Sunday. I feel spoiled by this - the winner of the turnover battle wins a high percentage of games. Some facts:

- 1st in turnover margin at +17
- 1st in offensive turnovers at 10
- 2nd in defensive turnovers at 27
- 2nd in interceptions thrown at 5
- 8 games played with no interceptions for Rodgers
- 258 hand offs on the year, and every one without a fumble
- 45 rushes by Rodgers, each without a fumble
- 2nd in average time of possession at 33:26
- 1st, Charles Woodson, turnovers created (7 ints, 3rd best. 4 forced fumbles, 3rd best)

Some truly astounding numbers